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It’s 9/11, according to calendars, which means it’s the 16th anniversary of that terrible day in 2001. Donald Trump spoke at a memorial event and somehow managed not to brag about how the falling of the towers made his own building the biggest, and he didn’t tell lies about New Jersey Muslims celebrating in the streets either. Instead, he just blabbered his way through moments of silence, you know, like presidents always do.

Over yonder in the syphilitic brain stew of “Fox & Friends,” they are #NeverForgetting and #JustAskingQuestions about 9/11. Specifically, Brian Kilmeade, the one we always called “The Rapey One” because he looks kinda rapey, until it turned out he’s one of the only Fox News men who hasn’t been accused of bad-touching all over Fox News women, had a question about 9/11 monuments that’s almost as dumb as the questions he had about why sharks rudely insist on living in the ocean on a regular basis.

He posed his important question about the Flight 93 memorial in Pennsylvania to Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke:

“Do you worry 100 years from now someone is going to take that memorial down like they are trying remake our memorials today?”

We … um … no?

Does he … does he think the abiding belief system of liberals is that we just fucking haaaaaaaate statues?

Is there possibly anything to differentiate between Confederate traitor slaver losers like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson and the victims who died on 9/11? Anything at all?

Brian Kilmeade forgets.

Zinke gracefully didn’t noticeably react to how the “Fox & Friends” host whose face looks like he’s perpetually pinching loaves off in his panties had just asked him the world’s stupidest question, and said some platitudes about learning from our history, then tried to steer the conversation back in a semi-normal direction.

He added that none of our statues or monuments will ever be perfect, because “we don’t put up statues of Jesus.” It’s Mohammad that we don’t put up statues of, not Jesus, but OK. As The Daily Beast points out, there’s a big Jesus statue on federal lands in Montana, where Zinke is “from.” And then there’s Touchdown Jesus in Ohio. And Christ of the Ozarks in Arkansas. BUT OTHERWISE, whatever, we did not come to this party to pants Ryan Zinke. (This time.)

For the record, from the moment Brian Kilmeade asked his question until the segment was over, he kept his “fucking magnets, how do THEY work?” look plastered on his face, because that is just what his face looks like, which is sad :(

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  • Moebym of the Returners

    Unless a monument to the 9/11 attackers is erected, we’re not going to tear it down. It’s as simple as that.

    • Proper analogies are so difficult for those on the Right.

      • Rags

        Is that why the SAT has so many analogy questions? Libural bias!!!!

    • Michael Smith

      yeah but in the future if hte LIBERALS have there way then the MUSKLIMS will win!!! And we willbe aMUSLIM = OBAMA nation, and the MUSLIM LOVING SNOWFLAKE LIBERALS will say that remembering 9/11 is “offensive” because it promotes “HATE” against MUSLIMS!!

  • Randall Stephens

    Still with the statues? Good grief …. symbols only have the power we give them.

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      Uh, but of course — this is the network still running with the Hilliary’s emails are just the worstest scandal evah!

      • Randall Stephens

        It’s water under the bridge.

    • jesuswasablack
      • Skeptical_thinker

        Horrifying and hilarious at the same time.

      • Randall Stephens

        Incredible likeness

  • Mr. Blobfish

    That couch smells like dumb.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      On a good day….

    • puredog

      Someone’s job description is to sniff it? Shudder. . . .

  • ManchuCandidate

    So 9/11 was done by anti slavery and anti fascists?

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      Rand Corporation, don’t forget them.

      • TJ Barke

        Needs moar bilderbergs and trilaterals…

    • And, behind it all, the Jews George Soros.

    • proudgrampa

      You forgot the Illuminati and the Masons. Oh, and the Bilderbergers.

      WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!!!

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    When a wingnut like Ryan Zinke won’t even bother to indulge your idiocy, you’ve take a wrong turn somewhere.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0397cfd5ebcc95e6c36492db39440830fb974ac1f0a587200fe26ef4ebf5c13.jpg

  • Baconzgood

    I don’t watch fox and friends much so you have to remind me. There is the blond one in the middle, then there is the stupid one to her right, and the other stupid on to her left. Which one is Brian? Forget it. Does it really matter?

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I believe Brian is the dark-haired moron, Doocy is the light-haired moron, and then a rotating panel playing the female moron.

      • Baconzgood

        You told me that….yet I still don’t care to remember it. In fact, you can tell me again in 14 seconds and I still won’t commit it memory.

        • TJ Barke

          Then your brain has its priorities straight.

      • Daniel

        Doocy is, I think, a man who could be outsmarted by a cricket bat.

    • SeeTrain65

      What did Colbert used to call the dumb one on the right? “The brown haired guy who’s not Steve Doocy,” wasn’t it?

      Ah, I can’t remember. To hell with it.

  • DainBramage

    The dunce responsible for rewiring Kilmeade’s “brain” should be fired.

  • chascates

    In the future EVERYONE will have a statue erected in their honor, until someone else tears it down.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I’ll make mine out of LEGO, then.

      • Jeffery Campbell

        No, state fair butter statues!

  • Baconzgood

    Weren’t these the same people that wanted the Shanksville monument torn down in the first place because they thought the monument being crescent shaped was too moo-slum?

    Just sayin.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    “There are no perfect statues…”

    Oh, let’s agree to disagree on that one:
    http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/05/12/ap268251693498_wide-69f5406d8a8a0e7841cfb885ddabf20088e27623-s900-c85.jpg

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    Wingers are bad at apples to apples comparisons, but of course that is by design.

  • memzilla Ω

    Future Brian Kilmeade: “Why do the Eloi want to tear down those statues of the Morlocks? Don’t they respect history?”
    . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/230c21b241cc8dabbbaee73a6cc5ff7729469b4cb194997f0f177db73bf9ccf0.jpg

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Anyone know if Mar-a-Lago was spared?

    • Weird Fishes

      sadly, yes. Such a huge grifting opportunity wasted. Damn you, Irma!

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        Donnie had $17m paid out in 2005 on nonexistent damage at Mar-a-Lago. I’m sure he’s aiming for more this time.

  • The Librarian

    I dunno that Zinke deserves a pass for being kinda dumb on the Jesus statue comment, but since this is Kilmeade’s party, he gets to be the ass on whom we get to pin the donkey tail on with really sharp tacks.

    • OneYieldRegular

      By virtue of merely appearing on FOX & Friends, Zinke gets a pass for nothing.

  • Bright Bart

    “syphilitic brain stew” Is that the new FOX catch phrase? Clutch!

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    OK, Kilmeade might be a tool, but I agree with him on the sharks. They can go fuck the fuck off.

  • Skeptical_thinker
    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Huh, I thought it would be Greener.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        People forget there was also a Soylent Orange. I am hoping it will be nacho cheese flavored.

  • jesuswasablack

    “Do you worry 100 years from now someone is going to take that memorial down like they are trying remake our memorials today?”
    Let me translate I speak Jive: “Gosh will their come a day when we can’t wallow in the victimhood that comes with being the oppressed white majority”
    https://i.yomyomf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/whitepeople.jpg

  • TJ Barke

    Stupid or mendacious? Are they actually so stupid that they believe that that’s actually a possibility? Or are they so utterly intellectually dishonest that they would actually make that comparison?

    • Skeptical_thinker

      AOT, K.

    • ManchuCandidate

      Can’t it be both?

  • Anna Rompage

    Next thing you know, Brian here is going to be suggesting putting up a monument showing happy, 19th century US soldiers giving the native Americans some wool blankets as welcome gifts, as they settle into their new glamping camps…

  • SeeTrain65

    I was about to say I was impressed that Fox News employees can count to 16, but I forgot it’s a necessary skill related to the hiring of their female employees.

  • PubOption

    According to Wikipedia, touchdown Jesus was destroyed by a lightning strike.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Kings_(statue)

    • BearGHAZI

      probably something gay about it

    • SeeTrain65

      And rebuilt, bigger and better (?) than ever.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      I understand that among migrant farmworkers, it was known as GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLAZO Jesús.

      • JerryRich

        Interestingly, there is no official referee hand signal for a goal in soccer.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      To add insult to injury, there’s an adult bookstore across from it on the other side of I-75, and it made it through the storm unscathed.

  • Roadstergal

    I’m guessing there are more statues of Confederate celebrities in our country than of the Marquis de Lafayette. :/

    • TJ Barke

      Well yeah! Don’t want no furriner statues!

    • tomamitai

      Or Kościuszko.

      • Arolpin

        Probably not the best example. Between Kościuszko & Pulaski, I think they’ve got one in every town that used to have a Polish enclave.

  • Alan

    Ummm. Touchdown Jesus died in a natural disaster. Not sure if it was climate change related though.

  • clairence

    after DeVos guts our education system, historical markers and monuments will be all we have left to learn with.
    But then, once the park service is defunded all those will go away too. hmm.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Learn? You won’t need no learnin’ besides how to operate your Koch Brothers widget machine before returning to your concrete gulag.

      • marxalot

        To be fair, the concrete gulag is an under-rated Brutalist masterpiece.

  • IdiotsforPalin

    Doocy, douchier, douchiest………..

  • Wolf Tracker

    I want to chainsaw carve a huge ass dead tree on my property into Jesus and charge admission.

    Thanks for the idea!

  • John Thorstensen

    “Touchdown Jesus” was, in a supremely comic moment, destroyed by a lightning strike: from Wikipedia …

    King of Kings was a 62-foot (19 m)-tall statue of Jesus on the east side of Interstate 75 at the Solid Rock Church, a 4000+ member Christian megachurch near Monroe, Ohio, in the United States. It was destroyed by a lightning strike and subsequent fire on June 15, 2010.

    That’s what you get for making your King of Kings out of fiberglas, or whatever.

    • SeeTrain65

      You talk Touchdown Jesus, you get Heywood Banks …
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWF8_rZnwLA

    • jesterpunk

      Could it be someone saying dont put up a statue of Jesus? Or was it the liberals that made lightning hit the statue?

      • Meccalopolis

        Zap zap zap I shoot lightning

    • SterWonk

      Less the fiberglas shell, more the styrofoam filling.

  • Ricky Gay

    “Do you worry 100 years from now someone is going to take that memorial down…” – Yes, a real estate developer. Possibly a Kushner heir.

    • jesterpunk

      Has anyone checked if there is oil or natural gas under the memorial? If so they might take it down to drill.

      • Ricky Gay

        Possibly some jet fuel. :(

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    9/11 remembrances were much better before they became so commercial.

    • MrTusks

      How much do you think Rudy has made speaking on 9/11?

  • John Thorstensen

    I’m hoping the SNL parodies of ‘Fox & Friends’ will continue. It’s really fun to freeze-frame the huge list of hilarious “retractions” at the end of each segment …

  • Anna Rompage

    Where are all the stately, larger than life statues, depicting all the honorable interment camp wardens from WWII?

  • JMP

    The only way a 9/11 memorial would be comparable to the Confederate traitor morials would be if someone erected a statue of Osama bin Laden.

    • BrendaKay

      You can’t use logic against the GOP, they don’t get logic.

    • Arolpin

      Or maybe the RWNJs are right, and creeping Sharia law is just the camel’s nose under the tent so to speak, and within 100 years ISIS and al Qaeda have taken over the US, at which point they TEAR DOWN OUR 9-11 MEMORIAL. It’s real, sheeple, WAKE UP!

      • TJ Barke

        Needs wurse speling.

      • Anna Rompage

        And Agenda 21 is just the first step!

        • CripesAmighty

          Those bike paths are insidious roads to perfidy…

    • tomamitai

      Since Muslims aren’t supposed to make images of people or animals, wouldn’t he consider that blasphemy?

      • puredog

        He might, but he sleeps with the fishes (allegedly), so we don’t have to pay no ‘tention to him.

  • Zonath

    The very same dumbshits who drove the outrage over the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” (which has no connection to 9/11 other than a location sort of near the WTC site) somehow can’t fathom that monuments to actual traitors and terrorists might be seen as outrageous to those who would rather not memorialize such individuals.

    Fuck these douchebags.

  • jesuswasablack
    • Elvis Causticfellow

      Needs moar pigeon shit.

  • jesterpunk

    Can I listen to J Mascis being really excited talking about guitar strings instead of listening to anything from Faux Noise?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBhjPyBCIYA

    • Mr. Blobfish

      I haven’t use Ernie Ball’s in years cuz I always used to break them. It was more likely the guitar. I rarely break anymore so I’ve been experimenting with different strings on different guitars.

      • jesterpunk

        I use GHS boomers 11-50 on my offsets and whatever 9-42 strings are on sale on the rest of my guitars except my gretsch that has earnie ball 10-46 on it. Its kind of hard to break strings lately, every company is getting better at making them last forever.

        I was just making a joke about J talking too, he is quiet and seems to hate interviews but plays really loud.

    • tomamitai

      Too much distortion!

      • jesterpunk

        No such thing as too much distortion especially with Dinosaur Jr or J Mascis.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    The reason Brian Kilmeade’s eyes can be so close together is that there does not have be any room between them for a brain.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ffff59e281b5bb2a182a380d691cb8e6abcd063c2a1e00e882f64fe4169de65c.jpg

    • SeeTrain65

      A face awaiting an expression.
      A mind awaiting a clue.

      • therblig

        a thought dying of loneliness

  • TJ Barke

    Not enough facepalms on earth…

  • marxalot

    My favorite public Jesus is the giant one over in Rio. I used to say that my death had been foretold, and it was “sniped from the shoulder of Christ the Redeemer by the Brazillian military for raining water balloons down on the mansions of Rio de Janeiro.”

    • Arolpin

      Who did you have to sue to say that? (I’m sure you meant to say ‘I used to..’ but it took me a minute to parse that.)

  • Jm T Bosquesillo

    Yes because Confederate States also attacked ‘Merica. How apropos.

  • beingreleased

    Just remember, those liberals in New York will never understand what 9/11 meant to real Americans.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      This is one of the more amazing things about 9/11; New York was finally acknowledged as being part of this country, if only for a month or so.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        And even then, I always notice that the coverage of it focuses pretty heavily on white men – you might not know, from the coverage, that the people who worked in the Twin Towers were a very diverse group of people.

        • YoBunnyBunny

          But there was soooo much coverage of all those MOOSLIMS celebrating in the streets when the towers came down, right?

    • BigCSouthside

      It meant they got to send their sons and daughters to fight an illegal war?

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Ajax Detergent: Stronger Than Dirt
    Brian Kilmeade: Dumber Than Dirt

    • SeeTrain65

      Kilmeade: Defeated By Dirt (In IQ Tests.)

      • Msgr_MΩment

        in personality tests, also too

    • Gayer Than Thou

      Coming this fall on Fox: Brian Kilmeade hosts Are You Smarter Than Dirt?

  • jesuswasablack

    9-11 can’t be no real holiday cause I’m at work and their aint no mattress sales?
    http://www.signs4retail.com/images/SP%E2%80%93MAT_05-14_72dpi.jpg

    • Mpeg

      For a moment I thought those were ice cream sandwiches.
      I guess I’m a little hungry~

      • SeeTrain65

        Ice Cream Sandwiches.

        DAMN YOU.

        • puredog

          Too pale. But now I want a stroopwaffel ice cream sammie.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    I don’t know if it has anything to do with the guy currently in the white house but for the lasting 15 years around 9/11 we were bombarded here with movies and documentaries about 9/11 and this year: Nothing. Not a single film or anything except some reruns on NatGeo.

    • proudgrampa

      So people are moving on?

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        I guess so.

        • puredog

          I hope so. The most compelling lesson to take away from that day is when you as POTUS get a PDB that says “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US,” you don’t say, “I guess you’ve covered your ass” and proceed to ignore it.

  • BigCSouthside

    Not enough statues of Jesus??? Have you been literally anywhere in this country? There are communities that have 3 churches but no hospital within 50 miles.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Ive noticed that every small town has 3 churches, and at least one liquor store.

      • Mickey Donovan

        Make that six liquor stores.

        • BigCSouthside

          Usually right next to a check cashing/payday loan place

      • Persistent Tennessee Rain

        Fayetteville North Carolina: titty bar, titty bar, pawn shop, car dealership, pawn shop, titty bar, chapel

        • tomamitai

          I bet I know what they pray for in the chapel!

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          That’s an extremely accurate description of Fayetteville, which may be the town where I saw a sign that said “Redneck Yacht Club” which was a….titty bar.

        • P’jama Pahnts

          Spartanburg SC there is a church, tattoo shop and pole dancing instruction all lined up in the same strip mall. I think the pole dancing place closed recently but still

        • coozledad

          One day, someone’s going to open a tiity chapel.

      • tomamitai

        I used to live above a liquor store, and those were the years I drank the most. I’ve never lived above a church, and I never go to them. Maybe correlation DOES equal causation, sometimes!

    • tomamitai

      Around here His mother gets more love from the idolaters, although why She’s always displayed with half a bathtub behind Her I’ll never understand.

    • Shibusa
  • fawkedifiknow

    I’ll start worrying about the dismantling of 9/11 statues and memorials when we elect terrorists belonging to al Qaeda to POTUS and a majority in Congress. Until then, they’re probably safe.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Charlie Pierce called Fox and Friend “Four Dolts on a Couch.” I love that so much.

    • jesuswasablack

      cept it’s three dolts?

      • SeeTrain65

        Kilmeade is stupiding for two.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Beat me two it.

          • SeeTrain65

            Great minds and all that jazz.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Kilmeade is 1 and a half, Doocy is 1 and a half.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            Objection, Doocy is definitely a number two.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Maybe he meant the three dolts plus the guest?

        • SeeTrain65

          The guest Dolt from the Dolt Administration.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      The couch was the smart one?

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        LoL!

      • puredog

        “Antifa? SOFA!”

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Upated: he actually just called the show “Dolts on a Couch”, which I still love.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        How about Muthafuckin’ Dolts on a Muthafuckin’ Couch?

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Ha! That’s what I thought of, too.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    If there are four stupider people in the world of TeeVee Nooze, I’m at a loss to identify them.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Tucker Carlson is holding on line one for you, sir.

  • Wild Cat

    Yeah, I agree. Kilmeade. Whine is better.

  • x111e7thst

    Are New Yorkers with really unpleasant 9/11 memories obliged to remember?
    Asking for a friend.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      can’t remember

    • proudgrampa

      Mmmm. Dunno.

    • Wild Cat

      I took the rush hour A, rush hour 1, and the rush hour N to the office today and didn’t even realize it was 16 years since I witnessed that day until I was 90% through my commute. The rest of my fellow commuters seem oblivious to the fetish of the day, too. I wonder if MSNBC replayed the whole thing again to keep logrolling the fetish.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Needs moar statues of Salvador Allende. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat #neverforget #CIAterrorism

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Remember back in yesteryear when the Flight 93 memorial was a tribute to Muslims in the shape of a crescent and pointed towards Mecca? Good times.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      No, but I clearly remember when Nobama tried to change NASA’s insignia to the crescent and star because of muslimmy he is

  • DerrickWildcat

    Brian Kilmeade is the smart one.

    • proudgrampa

      I know, right?

    • Arolpin

      I was going to say ‘smartish’ but that’s still too much. Maybe the least obviously stupid one.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Yeah. The same way Donald trump jr is the smart one

    • weejee

      A real fart smeller.

    • BigCSouthside

      If male: be willing to sexually assault female coworkers

      If female: blonde, between 21 and 45. In shape. Prefer above knee dresses.

  • tomamitai

    So does everybody who did poorly on the analogies section of the SATs automatically get a job as a conservative pundit, or are there other requirements?

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      well, there’s also that procedure where they take a giant hook up their nostril and yank half their brain out…

  • jesuswasablack

    Wasn’t 9-11 supposed to be re-branded “Patriot Day” whatever happened to that brilliant idea?
    http://i.imgur.com/5GhfyuV.jpg

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Hilariously too-soon.

      • jesuswasablack

        too soon 9-11 will be able to die in a war in just two short years?

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Some people keep their sense of good taste in their anuses.

  • MAZS

    Hey Ryan–how are you and Ms. Murkowski getting on these days? Any lessons learned?

  • Beowoof14

    So folks, the fundamental difference between 9/11 Memorials and Confederate Memorials, is that the 9/11 Memorials don’t honor traitors to the union who wanted to keep a certain group of people enslaved. I know these concepts are difficult for people at Fox who believe that some people, basically the poors, should be enslaved cause they’re just lazy not working people.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    I understand the Ozark statue of Jesus. This is my reaction every time I visit family in the Arkansas Ozarks.

    “CHRIST! I’M IN FUCKING ARKANSAS IN THE OZARKS!”

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I went to the Ozarks for the first time, and they are really gorgeous.

      • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

        Beautiful! And rivers and lakes well worth seeing. But, I will admit, I visit just for the mountains, not for the family.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          I love the million dollar view lots, that have three old mobile homes on them.

  • Did they remember to turn on the knobs first?
    https://media.giphy.com/media/3orieKGqPldhLMj7zy/giphy.gif

  • BadKitty904

    OT: It Was a Dark and Stormy Night… (No, seriously, it WAS a dark and stormy night.)

    IRMAGEDDON IS OVER! WE TRIUMPHED!!!

    • Wolf Tracker

      Glad you are safe!

      Did your power stay on?

    • Courser_Resistance

      Yaaaay! Glad to see you back. You and the Big Cat and critters all okay? Damages?

      • BadKitty904

        All fine. Won’t know about damages til we get home tomorrow.

  • Wolf Tracker

    OT: Russia Investigtion Expanding

    Sputnik, the Russian news agency, is under investigation by the FBI

    WASHINGTON — The FBI recently questioned a former White House correspondent for Sputnik, the Russian-government-funded news agency, as part of an investigation into whether it is acting as an undeclared propaganda arm of the Kremlin in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA).

    As part of the probe, Yahoo News has learned, the bureau has obtained a thumb drive containing thousands of internal Sputnik emails and documents — material that could potentially help prosecutors build a case that the news agency played a role in the Russian government “influence campaign” that was waged during last year’s presidential election and, in the view of U.S. intelligence officials, is still ongoing.

    The emails were turned over by Andrew Feinberg, the news agency’s former White House correspondent, who had downloaded the material onto his laptop before he was fired in May. He confirmed to Yahoo News that he was questioned for more than two hours on Sept. 1 by an FBI agent and a Justice Department national security lawyer at the bureau’s Washington field office.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/sputnik-russian-news-agency-investigation-fbi-090024231.html

    • Roadstergal

      Drip… drip… drip.

      • Wolf Tracker

        That dam about to break I think. Mueller has a big Christmas gift for us.

        • Roadstergal

          Dear Daddy Mueller. Santa didn’t bring me the president I voted for last year, so what would make me most happiest of all…

    • Old town Urbandale

      I’m waiting for word that Fox News and Sinclair are being investigated as undeclared propaganda arms of the Kremlin in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA).

  • Courser_Resistance

    Is the dumbass really trying to argue that we have no religious monuments? Bwahahahah! Hell, I drove past a huge statue of the Virgin Mary along highway 285 up past Bailey. It’s a whole shrine/retreat camp kinda thing. She’s all over the country. While I can’t name one at the moment, there are certainly Jeebus statues around.

    • Panika MCD

      there’s that giant one in Rio that no one in the world is pushing to take down.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    Meanwhile, Ari Fleischer is walking through the moment-by-moment on Twitter. It’s…not actually bad?

    https://twitter.com/AriFleischer/status/907218251662417920

    • Nounverb911

      Do you what else about POTUS is also referred to as a “mini”?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Not in the case of 42 and 44….

    • bbayliss

      Freshman comp. wide margins, large font.

  • Fartknocker

    Speaking of odd statues this is what you see when you drive up to Oral Roberts University in Tulsa. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b32f8f808e938ddcaff84dc3dc1fa1251d5f9ae2b7ac0540590c48b7464b871.jpg

    • weejee

      Namaste?

    • Panika MCD

      wonder what’s at Oral-B Tech.

    • TheGrandWazoo2

      That’s more of an Anal Robert’s move.

    • TundraGrifter

      “Here is the church…”

    • Wild Cat

      The Church of Double Faustficking?

    • Roadstergal

      I’m usually a little disappointed by Oral. No matter how big he says his hands are.

    • That looks more anal than oral, just my opinion.

    • JerryRich

      It is simply a warning against improper hand position for entering the water when diving. Do it this way: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b79ca2d8a02b197a4c4fa351cb476cf6a38705167d352e55f8e17d9c6283d2e6.jpg

    • puredog

      Shouldn’t there be a large lotion dispenser statute nearby?

  • weejee
  • Panika MCD

    dear Zinkey Dinks,

    there is a difference between the Confederate monuments on the TX Capitol Grounds and the Confederate seal on the front of the building.

    for one thing, the monuments are stupid because a) one looks like a tomb and should probably be in the State Cemetery along with the 10 Commandments monument that looks like a fucking headstone; and b) the other is an obelisk which is totally the wrong country and the wrong part of history. they also glorify traitors.

    the seal is presented with 5 other seals of countries which have claimed TX soil in whole or in part. I may think the French deserve to be there less than the Germans or Czechs, but France is the only one of the three that claimed TX soil–for about a month–despite the German and Czech communities still existing. it’s also right between the Republic of Texas and USA seals as if to say, “we couldn’t fend for ourselves and, yes, we were on the losing side of the Civil War. OUT BAD!” to drive that last point home, we have the memorial for all of the African American reps and delegates to the Constitutional Convention (hello, 14th amendment!) from Texas between 1865 and 1899 right inside the door to remind us that we fucked up again in the first part of the 20th Century by then instituting Jim Crow laws.

    sure, not everyone who works there gets this message because they are receiving mixed messages with the TWO Confederate monuments they see, Sect. FUCKADUCK McScrewakangaroo!

    I hope this example clears up your confusion about the difference between symbols that remind us of our history and symbols which misrepresent our history.

    if not, I’m sure many other states can ‘splain to you these finer points as well!

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Also sir – if monuments should be left up to explain “history”, explain why when you go to the Revolutionary War site for the Battle of Saratoga there is no monument to Major General Benedict Arnold.

      • Panika MCD

        oh, snap!

  • CripesAmighty

    And of course, Donald couldn’t even get his teleprompter part of the Annual Weeping, Wailing and Rending of Garments Maudlin Masturbation part right: “Hollowed ground…”

    • Courser_Resistance

      LOLOL! I read that and thought ‘Cripes Almighty’ and only then realise that ‘CripesAlmighty’ had posted it!. Bear with me, I have an Irma hangover (from blowing yesterday in front of the TeeVee)

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      I could attend a church service, light a candle, contribute to a victims fund or memorial fund. What I can’t do is sit through the Teevee broadcasts endlessly replaying the event.

      • tomamitai

        Or everybody posting the picture of the falling man.

      • CripesAmighty

        I’m just sick of the whole mawkish, self-indulgent avalanche of sentimental slop. New legislation: everyone who, A) didn’t live in Manhattan in 2001, or B) lose a friend or family member (no, internet friends don’t count) in the events, Are hereafter directed to shut up, and banned from displaying associated t-shirts/bumper stickers/any other tasteless paraphernalia, forthwith.

    • Jamoche

      Hollowed ground – that’s the first step in building a new Trump Tower, right?

  • louwhitaker

    I believe “Touchdown Jesus” is in Indiana, on the Notre Dame campus, not Ohio. And it is a mural on a Church wall, not a statue.
    https://www.uhnd.com/history/touchdown-jesus/

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      true- it’s in South Bend, though it didn’t help them any this weekend

      • TundraGrifter

        Interestingly, Notre Dame is not within the South Bend city limits. They set themselves apart.

        If you want some interesting reading, look into how Notre Dame fought the KKK back in the day.

        • JerryRich

          Same deal with Stanford, near Palo Alto but the address is 450 Serra Mall, Stanford, CA (wouldn’t you know that a California college would be in a mall?).

    • Panika MCD

      this is still the iconography you are looking for.

    • Bebecca

      there’s one in Ohio too, it sits along the interstate between Dayton and Cincinnati I think. It doesn’t overlook the football field though. I remember it burned a few years ago, the headline in the newspaper said something like “statue of jesus destroyed by act of god”.

  • “we don’t put up statues of Jesus.”

    If you put up a statue of Jesus that looked anything like how he probably looked, there’d be immediate screams of “Sharia Law”.

  • SnowBomber

    Please tell me someone is going to tear apart Trump’s budget Obama speech. What a sack of shit he is. I guess the thousands of cheering Muslims on the rooftops skipped out today?

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Was that today? Damn it. I was in the middle of shoving shariah law down some guy’s throat and my Outlook calendar pop-up didn’t happen.

  • Daniel Hooper

    So, statues of a time about a century and a half ago memorializing people who were happy to defend the idea of treating other humans as property, and statues memorializing the thousands who died in a terrorist attack 16 years ago… totally the same thing, right?

    • Panika MCD

      didn’t the statues start going up like 50 years after the war was over and didn’t they coincide with Jim Crow laws?

      • suziq

        Oh, you and your “facts” again! Can’t we just honor the traitors to the US of A without everyone getting so politically correct about it?

        • Panika MCD

          are politically correct and historically correct the same thing now?

          • TJ Barke

            Correct is correct, generally speaking.

          • suziq

            Nope, probably should have been “politically correct” or something.
            I think if they really want to leave up the statues they should change the signs to be more accurate. Not sure what they say now but I suspect they don’t point out what their intentions were.

          • Biel_ze_Bubba

            “Erected by white racists in 1905 to intimidate black people, this statue of Robert E. Lee has been allowed to remain as a reminder of those dark days, and as a lesson for future generations.”

            You’d have the KKKlowns in favor of taking the statues down, once the historically-accurate plaques went up.

          • suziq

            EXACTLY!

          • Dudleydidwrong

            Just add a line to your otherwise-perfect plaque: “Lee himself did not want any statues erected.”

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Many went up either with Jim Crow laws after Plessy v. Ferguson or after the 1960s Civil Rights era.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c9cf0beb3b9eab2601aa995053e03c33cad84480e4360f5a15180ec8eaac7838.jpg

        • Panika MCD

          nice graph.

      • Daniel Hooper

        Yes, but the time the statues are representing people from a century and a half ago.

        • Panika MCD

          just checking. the way I read your comment, the statues were going up immediately. clearly I was off on that interpretation.

  • laughingnome

    Will we have Brian Kilmeade Stupidity Memorial be around 100 years from now?

    Yes

    • therblig

      never forget!

  • Kiri the Unicorn

    “Does he … does he think the abiding belief system of liberals is that we just fucking haaaaaaaate statues?”

    #NotAllStatues. This one’s okay:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Joan_of_Arc_statue_in_Portland%2C_Oregon%2C_2015.jpg

    • bbayliss

      Not enough gold leaf

    • Beanz&Berryz

      I know where there’s one just like that…

  • TundraGrifter

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/53839d66f5672505589c3693ab645fb655cbac1071c0671f1b152b157c3198ff.png

    Thanks to the late, great Herb Caen, many people know this South San Francisco statue as “Dopey’s Grave.” Which, today, works on another level.

    • A shout out to Father Junipero Serra!

      I used to drive past him daily for many, many years.

      • Arolpin

        Did Father Junipero invent gin? I’ll drink to that.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      Father Serra, pointing to the San Andreas fault (it’s under that lake) and saying, “OMG! Do not build here!”

    • tomamitai

      Looks like he’s pointing a gun! Is that the pistol packin’ padre?

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        Looks like he’s holding it sideways, gangsta-style.

        Why not missionary position??

    • Rags

      Herb also invented the term ‘beatnik’ – awesomely funny colunmnist-about-town for the SF Chronicle for about forever.

      • puredog

        Herb also turned me on to Boodles Gin martinis, thanx and a tip o’ the hat to Persian Aub Zam Zam.

  • Zippy W Pinhead
  • Wild Cat

    When they go to commercial break, do these grifters just crack up and say, “Man! These stupid rubes are just eating this shiiiiiit up!”

  • beingreleased

    9/11 coverage from the America’s Finest News Source. This came out about 2 weeks after 9/11, and it was probably the 1st good laugh I had.
    https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/P163LQfMhJjbYwt8KMqhlA–/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NjAwO2g9Njg5O2lsPXBsYW5l/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/thecutline/onion-911.jpg

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    OT, but for those of you who elected to hand $10 to Equifax to compensate them for being such fuck-ups:

    Equifax assigns you a 1-digit PIN (so secure!) that you need to un-freeze your data.

    But, oops (hey, it’s Equifax), that PIN is very obviously based on the date and time that you set up your freeze. “The whole point of a 10-digit PIN is that it’s supposed to be hard to guess,” said a consumer quoted in the NYT. “And then, they have this totally transparent algorithm for assigning them.”

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      And we’re supposed to trust these people to protect our identities?

      • Rags

        They don’t give a shit about our identities, just our purchase history. We’re not their customers, we’re their victims.

    • tomamitai

      Wasn’t their “check to see if you’ve been compromised” page proven to be giving out random results and just trying to sell their monitoring service?

    • Red Bird

      Just call Experian and put a credit freeze on your account. Don’t talk to Eqifax.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        You need to freeze all of them. Unless of course you totally trust Equifax.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      Equifucks is a wonderful example of gross stupidity, one of the many Exhibit As to trot out when someone says “Government should be run like a business.”

      • Lord Jim

        And when people claim that govts are wasteful, stupid, and inefficient.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    So will Dolt’s statue be just a rather small dick with a plaque reading, “This life size statue commemorates our country’s biggest, most popular Predisent.”?

  • Wolf Tracker
  • canes_pugnaces
  • CripesAmighty

    Why is it that those who ostensibly champion the virtues of ‘stoic, rugged independence’ and all around ruff-and-tuffery seem to spend more time and energy wallowing in simpering, weeping, sentimentality than a six year old whose frog ran away?

  • Ellie

    I think any Confederate “hero” statue should resemble Benedict Arnold’s Leg.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Which leg? You have three to choose from.

      • Ellie

        There is a statue of Benedict Arnold’s leg on the grounds of the Saratoga Battlefield. He was injured in that leg after fighting bravely against the British. After he turned traitor, it was decided that his leg shouldn’t be punished for that act and had been wounded honorably, so there’s the statue. I’m afraid I’m a real dunce at the Internet, so I don’t know how to put a picture here, but you can find it here:http://www.pbs.org/ktca/liberty/popup_arnoldsleg.html
        When I was last there, back in the early 80s, you had to know what it was because there was no signage.

        • Dudleydidwrong

          Arnold’s wounded boot. I would suggest all Confederate statues be labeled Quisling Statues. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1410067c242bb82fdd6f225b7714fc384c50dcc4b3e0ced2708c844c4e4d06d8.jpg

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Saves on stone, yes?

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          Thanks for that. I learned something today. I really need to go back and read some of my history books again. It seems like I can’t remember shit.

          This opens up a thought, though. Perhaps we should replace all of the confederate traitor statues with statues of their legs. That will help “retain history” a little bit.

          Of course, I still favor books and libraries over statues. I may be wrong, but I daresay that taking a nice statue to bed is not as edifying as taking a book to bed.

    • therblig

      so i’ve been pronouncing “Legs Benedict” wrong all these years?

  • Nasty Girl Brianna

    So when are we putting up the Osama Bin Laden statue? You know, so we can “learn from history” because books don’t exist.

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea

    OT cillizza tries to get out of responsibility for promoting a trivial story and yglasias tries to downplay how much of the media was involved
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/907286052691431424

    • TheGrandWazoo2

      Cillizza just couldn’t let Kilmeade walk away with the “Dumbest Thing Said Today” award unchallenged.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        When that’s the one award you are ever competitive for, you have to give it your all.

    • jesterpunk

      Glenn Greenwald says something stupid about Hillary so Cillzza had to top him?

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        Do I even want to know what Glenn said?

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          Let me hide the breakables first.

          • TheGrandWazoo2

            You still have things left to break? Lucky!

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            I took the liberty of lining the walls with a couple feet of foam padding. Cheaper than replacing plates, glasses, and electronic devices.

          • SisterArtemis

            May I offer here the solution my one-time roommate had for dealing with compounded rage during the Reagan years?

            She had a empty basement room, all concrete floors and walls. She’d buy up old dishes at yard sales, cheap, and just store them in boxes at one end of the the room. When her rage threatened to overwhelm her, she’d go down to the basement and throw the dishes, one by one, at the wall on the other side of the room. Very satisfying, she informed me. She’d leave the pile of broken china at the bottom of the wall, then later, when her mood was calmer, methodically sweep up the mess and dispose of it in the trash bin. She said both the smashing and sweeping were very therapeutic.

          • teele

            Damn! All I have is a crawl space!

        • jesterpunk

          He has said a few stupid things recently.

          https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/900123532004212736

          And this thread that NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy posted last night with Glenn.

          https://twitter.com/NomikiKonst/status/906656693211320320

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      This reeks of “It wasn’t that she was violently assaulted, it’s how she behaved and/or was dressed.”

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      She underestimated the stupidity of the average American voter. The GOP never makes that mistake.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      *cough* Bullshit! *cough* *cough*

    • Lord Jim

      Wait. “How she handled the email story”? Dismissing it as the trivial bullshit that it was?

      FUCK YOU, Cillyazz.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        I would love for him to tell us exactly what she could have said or done that would have made him shut up about it.

        • Lord Jim

          I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting…

  • BoatOfVelociraptors

    I’m going to go to the top of Sears Tower tonight. Take that, pants wetters !

    • Panika MCD

      can’t wet your pants if you’re not wearing any.

  • Mavenmaven

    We don’t put up statues of John Lennon, either, and he was bigger than Jesus.

  • Wolf Tracker

    OT: Interesting article on use of immunity to nail Trump

    Why Robert Mueller May Have to Give Donald Trump Immunity

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/why-robert-mueller-may-have-to-give-donald-trump-immunity

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      Realistically, he’s not going to prison. That’s a fantasy. He’s going to be pardoned by someone anyway, in the interests of “moving forward”. And he’ll happily throw anyone but his family under the bus. So if there’s any interest in finding out what actually happened, it may come down to that.

      • Wolf Tracker

        He and his kids are more likely to be charged at the state level for RICO charges but that article is interesting because it explains how Mueller can give Trump immunity forcing him to testify and if he lies that immunity does not apply.

        Pretty damn tricky!

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          “If” he lies?
          Donny Two Scoops wil find it impossible not to lie, even with his ass totally on the line.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Exactly and he can’t just say he doesn’t recall because Mueller will already have the evidence and that could then be used against him.

            I can see this working very well against Trump and his lying kids.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Mueller not Trump dammit.

          • Biel_ze_Bubba

            The “edit” button is your friend.

          • Wolf Tracker

            I did.

      • Red Bird

        Poo poo on that. Let him wait for someone to pardon him. He deserves to sweat it out.

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        I don’t think Trump knows what really happened. He’s so stupid and so easily played he is probably convinced that people voted for him fair and square.

      • jesterpunk

        You cannot be pardoned if your impeached.

        • Wolf Tracker

          Impeachment and criminal charges are different things.

          He can’t be pardoned from an impeachment which is a political process but he could still be pardoned from Federal charges by the next president.

          • Résistance Land Shark Ω

            Of course, when the next President is one of the Nasty Women (Warren, Harris, Duckworth, Gillibrand) I don’t think they’ll be much pardoning

          • Wolf Tracker

            I don’t think it will be Pence and he is in that same Russian boat with Trump.

            Might be Ryan or Hatch and I don’t see them pardoning Trump and throwing away their reputation and careers.

          • puredog

            In this context, “reputations and careers” ring about as hollow as “thoughts and prayers.”

          • Rags

            and if conviction in the Senate is in the cards, he can resign and be pardoned ahead of the hammer falling.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    It’s right there on my calendar for Sunday, 9/11/2101: “take down 9/11 statues.” I’ve set a reminder for 8/11/2101 so I have time to ask for permission to leave my assisted living facility.

    • Hemp Dogbane

      Don’t forget to charge the battery on your little scooter chair.

      • Dudleydidwrong

        By that time a Hoveround really will hover. You’ll enjoy the ride.

    • Red Bird

      Pack extra diapers.

    • proudgrampa

      Make sure you bring lots of Ensure.

  • bbayliss
    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      That’s fair.

    • Major_Major_Major

      Full disclosure, I am a Civil War junky and have visited the lion’s share of the Eastern battlefields. This is the one that Mrs_M^3 really wanted to see (she barely tolerates me dragging her and the M^3 spawn to battlefields), and of course we got turned around and didn’t get to it. Someday, someday

  • Les Appentis De la résistance

    “Given Irma’s destruction on the anniversary of 9-11, should Mother Nature be considered a terrorist?”
    — the Rapey One, given enough time.

  • Panika MCD

    I think statues should be of stars or in bars, not have stars and bars on them.

  • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher
    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      WOW – beat me by seconds. But I got the pic, good for a 1-minute bonus.

    • Internet Hitler

      Does Jesus hit you on the back when he hugs a bro?

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Augghh! Just discovered that Touchdown Jesus has been replaced with this hideous monstrosity:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/LuxMundiMonroe01.jpg/450px-LuxMundiMonroe01.jpg

    What is is with Fundie nitwits and staggeringly poor taste?

    • jesterpunk

      They should put up Buddy Christ instead.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FigprdcBGA

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      The original was struck by lightning.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        This abomination is concrete. It’s as if they know something…

      • Lord Jim

        “I DO NOT approve this message” – God

    • Lord Jim

      Protestants have a long history of suspicion of the arts. They fear aesthetic pleasure will compete with religious faith for their hearts. So Christian art has to suck so that it will not turn a poor believer’s head around.

      • Blanche Beecham

        Hang on there, Lord Jim. Are you saying Catholics May have invented the classic school girl uniform, dancing, drinking and other forms of “artistic” sexual foreplay to woo-woo (as they say in the Sims games) Protestants back to the Mother Church? Wow if true.

        • Lord Jim

          XD

    • therblig

      Orchestra Conductor Jesus?

      • puredog

        Unreasonably fat Jesus?

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    The memorial in Shanksville is one of the most haunted, moving monuments I have ever seen, and I’m a battlefield junkie, so I’ve seen a lot of them. It’s so beautiful, that it’s only a matter of time before some real American decides it’s an insult unless they put up a “real” statue, like they did at the Vietnam Memorial. (Shanksville is the VM x a billion. Really incredible. Go if you can.)

    • OutOfOrbit

      i donut know what/where that is

    • OutOfOrbit

      i once visited a Revolutionary War battlefield where all the British were buried where they fell, i guess there was a bunch, in/near Boston and walking those grounds was … i give no truck to ghosts & whatnot but that field off of the path, where i knew them to still lie in death … it was weird, unnatural

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Oh, for fuck’s sake.

  • Iron Monkey

    Knock knock.
    Who’s there?
    9/11
    9/11 who?

    You said you would never forget!

    • MizzMazz

      When it happened, I worked with a bunch of rude, crude, and socially unacceptable people, and a couple of the guys were saying, “When will the 9/11 jokes start?” Everyone said it was no joking matter, but jokes are how we deal with awful things, and this one is a keeper.

  • William
  • harryeagar

    Henry Ford republished the Secret Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and was a nasty anti-worker thug to boot, yet his name is memorialized on millions of cars. Query? Should we crush all the Fords that Harvey did not flood?

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      Sure. Knock yourself out.

    • Lord Jim

      No local govt built Fords or embraced their construction to commemorate his antisemitism. You’re not very good at analogies.

      • OutOfOrbit

        and he did pay good (for the times)

    • Beanz&Berryz

      And we should jail everyone with the last name Lee, and Jackson, also too. That’s logical, too…

      • Zyxomma

        Lee is the most common name on earth (if one counts all the various ways it’s spelled). Unpossible.

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω
    • TundraGrifter

      Henry Ford paid his workers $5 a day and other manufacturers ranted and raved claiming he was going to ruin it for everybody. Turned out they made enough money to afford to buy a car.

      • harryeagar

        A myth. He did pay $5 a day, but conditions were so bad that his workforce turnover was more than 100% per month. Nobody making $5 a day bought a Ford because they didn’t stay long enough to accumulate any money.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          You’re almost right, and yet… not.

        • TundraGrifter

          Your versions is, shall we say, unique.

        • Dudleydidwrong

          “Jobs became boring and fatiguing, absenteeism and labor turnover serious problems. To combat this difficulty, in 1914 Ford established the $5 day, an increase of about $2 over prevailing wages. The rate of turnover in his plant fell 90 percent…later he raised the minimum to $6 and then to $7 a day.” (John Garraty, The American Nation, p. 743.) Ford was a tyrant and a bigot, no doubt. But your statement seems a tad inaccurate? Yes.

        • ttdg

          Wow he had people quitting jobs they didn’t even get from him. I take it math isn’t your best subject.

      • Rags

        And created Saturdays off so his workers would have a day to spend money, preferably on a car and car trips, I guess. Also, too, he didn’t try to overthrow the legitimate government of the United States by force and violence.

    • Daniel

      Why is it you guys arguing for celebrating bigots are so bad at understanding what the issue actually is?

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      The Ford family also owns the Detroit Lions. I think that’s punishment enough.

    • P’jama Pahnts

      Ahh, the ole “if we can’t do everything we should do nothing” defense. Awesome.

    • Red Richmond

      I drive a Honda and hate Ford’s ads for the F150, so aside from the Mustang and Ford GT…sure?

  • Msgr_MΩment
    • OutOfOrbit

      it is like trying to get a stump out of the ground just by talking words at it

      • P’jama Pahnts

        Some people will step out of their car to argue with a stop sign. I am not that person.

      • therblig

        davy crockett grinned the bark right off a tree. why do you hate america?

  • Anna Rompage

    Can’t they even try to pretend they’re not a bunch of hoofwaking bunglecuck morans….

    “There was a certain group of people that attacked us on 9/11. It wasn’t
    just one person, it was one religion. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” Brian “my foot taste like flop sweats and toe nail fungus” Kilmeade

    • OutOfOrbit

      incapable of learning

    • TundraGrifter

      I did not know Timothy McVeigh was a Muslin!

      • OutOfOrbit

        oh that was not “terrorism” cuz he was a white lone wolf who cracked up that is all

        • puredog

          The MSM has paid far too little attention to McVeigh’s economic anxiety.

      • Lord Jim

        Beat me to it, you, you – poopy head! :)

        • TundraGrifter

          That’s Buzz Kill to you, Buster.

    • NastyBossetti

      Wait wait wait. The IRA was Muslim?

      • Arolpin

        Well, ETA must be Muslim, have you ever hear Basque’s talk?

    • Lord Jim

      So that white guy that blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City was a Muslim? I haz a confuze.

  • beingreleased
  • Mpeg

    You know who else couldn’t distinguish aggressors from victims?

    • marxalot

      Ferguson cops?

    • Daniel

      Ebola?

    • Anna Rompage

      Our unprecedented Precedent?

    • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

      Fans of sportsball stars?

  • Juan de Fuca
    • Me not sure

      The existence of the temporal diminish a sure us that change will be a constant companion to human existance. Who, but those folks, would want to live in constant fear of whatever tomorrow brings. Life: live it fully or you will surely end up just living with it.

      • Juan de Fuca

        Very well said.

  • Michael Smith

    “Do you think its a shame that even though we had 9/11, now Black Lives Matter?”

  • dshwa

    If they didn’t have false equivalency they would have any equivalency at all.

  • Wolf Tracker

    OT: California’s AG is suing Trump again. He’ll have his parents on his mind when he does

    This past month, Becerra announced that California was suing the U.S. Department of Justice over Trump administration threats to cut off public safety funds for cities and states that don’t cooperate with federal immigration authorities.

    Now, he’s signaled he’s prepared to sue the Trump administration again, with plans to announce the suit Monday. This time, it would be over the administration’s decision to rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which has provided legal protections to nearly 800,000 undocumented young people brought to the U.S. without legal permission when they were children.

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/marcos-breton/article172281727.html

  • pgjack

    Problem with Jesus statues is that nobody knows what he looked like. Handsome white guy with blue eyes seems kind of unlikely given where and to whom he was supposedly born. And American christians don’t seem to want to make statues of scruffy unkempt middle eastern guys. Do American christians have a problem worshipping at the feet of a scruffy looking middle eastern Jew?

    • jesterpunk

      We now have a pretty good idea of what he may have looked like based on the region he supposedly lived in.

      http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a234/1282186/

    • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

      Repubican’ts should just put up a statue of what they really worship. Maybe a dollar bill or a gun.

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        OOO! A gun that shoots dollar bills!

        • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

          You mean, of course, dollar bills coming out of the gun. Though dead dollar bills would be fun.

        • SisterArtemis

          I want one!!!

        • God Emperor Emeritus

          That might be cheaper than real-deal ammunition now? I haven’t shopped for any in a long time but I wouldn’t be shocked.

      • Heather

        Maybe like a rich white dude stepping on a pile of dying poor people.

      • God Emperor Emeritus

        The monopoly man?

        TMYN special: Apparently he has a name, Rich Uncle Pennybags.

    • Wolf Tracker
      • Covfefe

        Oh cool! Jesus was actually Sicilian!

    • Anna Rompage

      I can tell you oen thing, he looked a lot more like the terrorists who hijacked the planes on 9/11, than he does an Aryan from the supposed master race…

    • proudgrampa

      The question answers itself.

    • therblig
    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      I’m gonna go waaaaay out on a limb here and suggest that Christ probably wouldn’t be allowed into Joel Osteen’s church unless he was carrying a mop & bucket.

      • Covfefe

        And kicked back 10% of his take-home.

      • Lord Jim

        Middle Eastern refugee with a history of run-ins with the authorities in a Christian church? THAT’d go over well.

        • God Emperor Emeritus

          Dude got convicted and executed for being a blaspheming heretic. Not a good egg. Obviously.

          • Lord Jim

            Egypt was clearly not sending their best people when Jesus’ family came back.

  • BigCSouthside

    Patriot Day. Seriously?

    • clubseal

      It’s not much worse than calling some of our worst legislation “The Patriot Act,” I reckon.

  • CO
    • Résistance Land Shark Ω
    • eggs ackly-wright

      I remember seeing Coulter on one of the morning talks shows shortly after the Bad Day, and she complained about the 9/11 widows, who “just wanted to make money and be on TV.” If only the interviewer had responded, “Well, at least you have that in common with them.”

    • Thiazin Red

      Part of me does wonder whether the massive events every year make it more difficult for families of victims to move on. If you meet someone new, but every year you have to go through it again thanks to the wall to wall media coverage and events, does that make it harder?

  • God Emperor Emeritus

    Happy Bush Kept Us Safe Day!

    Since every day is actually about a dozen official days of something, never forget that it’s also Trump Tower Tallest Building In New York Day.

    Molo Tov!

  • jesterpunk

    Why didnt Obama stop 9/11? When will Fox investigate why he wasn’t in the White House and may have been out golfing instead?

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qENhD5uWBOM/WBShCxQhIyI/AAAAAAAFZ-A/4ZMbbLKGe2sv_xR0J2NIxpB7-F7Wv0eDACLcB/s640/638592.jpg

    From this Daily Show segment.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFQhw3VVToQ

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      The scary thing isn’t how boneheadedly stupid and ignorant that living object lesson into the pitfalls of generations of inbreeding is. The scary thing is that there are millions more like him.

      • jesterpunk

        Watch the video, that isnt even the dumbest thing anyone said there.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        The even scarier thing is that Fox News and the Republicans and the Koch brothers, Mercer, of course, Putin, have had this agenda for decades–to de-educate and disinform, to agitate and terrify, and they succeeded in twisting the minds of millions of people, many of whom are actually decent human beings, just stupid.

  • Donkey Option

    Ah yes – 9/11 – the one day a year that Republicans consider NYC part of “real America.”

    • God Emperor Emeritus

      All of NYC, or just that one square block in Manhattan?

      • Covfefe

        Youse Guys! Wall Street was always part of America!

      • Donkey Option

        They don’t know NYC well enough to distinguish.

        • clubseal

          I’m sure they don’t count the mosques in that equation.

        • This. Most people forget it is also too a state.

    • Thiazin Red

      Ugh, during grad school in Ohio there was more than one person who gave me shit about how NY was evil while wearing a tacky 9/11 sweatshirt.

  • William
    • CripesAmighty

      “That I will tell you…”

    • BigCSouthside

      To be fair, this is the guy who bragged about having manhattan’s tallest building, lied about donating to 9/11 charities, and took 150k from a fund meant for small business recovery in the immediate aftermath of the attacks.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        And lied about “Muslims dancing in the street,” just to make sure he could spread a little hate as well.

        • TundraGrifter

          And lied about seeing those poor souls jumping from the Twin Towers.

    • God Emperor Emeritus

      At first, I thought the newsworthy thing was that he WASN’T talking through it. Then I read again.

  • William

    What is this 9-11 you speak of? https://youtu.be/7sXQ3YJtlqo

  • Thiazin Red

    Are they really this clueless about context or is it an act? If 9/11 memorials were actually statues of Bin Laden then the analogy would be correct.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      I suspect that at least some of them know it’s bullshit…but they also know their audience is stupid enough to buy it.

    • clubseal

      It’s just a talking point cooked up somewhere. I’ve already seen numerous social media posts asking that same “brilliant” question about tearing down monuments to 9/11 victims. We can hope the people posing it aren’t actually that stupid, but I won’t hold my breath.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      Exactly. I said the same thing on the tweetybox, but you said it much better. Logic is not their strong suit.

  • clubseal

    I can’t fully explain my animosity toward the inane 9/11 posts that flood my Faceplace every September, but I can give it a try.
    I can’t stand Americans, fully ignorant of how their egos play a part in how the world has distaste for us, talking about how 9/11 was the worst tragedy in the world, ever.
    I can’t stand the statement “Never Forget,” because it’s only about never forgetting what happened that day and never has anything to do with understanding why it happened – not because we have freedoms, but because we attacked numerous people in numerous other countries right up to the point where they found a symbolic way to attack us back, on our own turf. I saw one post about how we’re doomed to repeat history if we forget it; unfortunately, so many in our country have no idea what our actual history, in the context of our foreign policy, is.
    I understand the heartbreak, and the anger about what happened. But I’ll never understand the unwillingness to actually understand the way the world works.

    • ariel_gee_398

      We’re also pretty anxious to forget the parts of what happened that day that seem too distasteful: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a48031/the-falling-man-tom-junod

      • clubseal

        Oh I don’t know, I’ve seen that image in a meme talking about how THIS is why we can’t trust Muslims. Wish I were joking.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      “American Exceptionalism” and “Shining City on a Hill” type rhetoric is not terribly useful when it comes to educating people in the realities of history, and the fact that there are non-American people all over the world with their own self-image, their own pride, their own aspirations. When your default position is that anyone who does not want to be exactly like you politically, economically, spiritually and culturally is some sort of dangerous crackpot radical it becomes inevitable that your country and most of its citizens will be viewed askance by those who do NOT want to be like you. And attempting to force them creates some significant problems, as we can see.

    • Swampgas_Man

      I’ve actually been told that bringing up the results of our foreign policy and the question of who actually started it is “dishonoring” the people who died, because the whole truth doesn’t sound like a FOX memorial.

      • clubseal

        Or that you’re “trying to justify” what happened. It’s the literal definition of trying to learn from our mistakes, but admitting you’ve made mistakes is un-American, one must guess.

    • BrianW

      Yep, this right here. While flipping through the channels today, ran across a program that said Ground Zero is “probably the most sacred site in all of America.” I actually screamed “oh fuck ME!” at the screen. Yes it’s tragic, maybe sacred (although I think that is a bit of hyperbole), but there’s LOTS of other places in this country that are a lot more tragic. I mean, Antietam, Valley Forge, Trail of Tears?

      • clubseal

        Yes, but none of those other sites had to do with the magic words “Radical Islamic Terrorism,” so they cannot be anointed as holy places.

        • BrianW

          “Radical Islamic Terrorism?” Those are worship word. Yang Worship. YOU WILL NOT SPEAK THEM!

    • puredog

      Careful — those kinds of musings can get you fired from a professorship here in the U S of A.

    • The Flaming Carrot

      I know someone whose husband died on Flight 11. She doesn’t post anything on that day because she wants to go on with her life. It’s the right-wing idiots like my step-in-laws (or do I call them step-out-laws?) who insist on posting every angle of the explosion, or pictures of people jumping off buildings, to suit their own nefarious purposes.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • Royal Ugly Globalist Dude

      Pee Wee totally stole Kris Kobach’s hair style.

  • Jennifer R

    What were americans doing for December 7th 1957?

    • CindyinEncinitas

      Going to church?

      • Jennifer R

        I mean were they making a big pageant about the anniversary of Pearl Harbor like we do the WTC?

        • BeachBum

          I was a mere tadpole in the 50’s but I remember Dec 7s being somber and reflective and as the start of WW II. My Dad, a WW II Vet, never mentioned it, but just would say “yeah.”

        • BrianW

          No, that’s different. The WTC was attacked by scary brown masterminds who came out of nowhere, whereas Pearl Harbor was attacked by scary yellow mastermind…um, hold on a second….BRB

          • Begin Anew Day

            A conundrum! (or is it a paradox?)

  • Empress of the Iguana People

    Suddenly, I’m glad I was listening to Curious George and Peg + Cat while working on a sewing project like some common stay at home parent of a 3 year old.

    • Lordpnut

      Peg plus cat rocks, and watching it will guarantee that your child will be smarter than Brian. By tomorrow.

  • whitroth

    Can we deport him back to Montana?

  • Poly_Ester

    Brian thinks you pronounce his name “Brain.” Amazon once offered the Kindle version on his juvenile history of the Barbary Pirates for $1. I bit and did eventually read it. It wasn’t worth a whole dollar, bur it was humorous in its stupidity.

    • TundraGrifter

      I still like C.S. Forester’s book on that subject.

  • Kiri the Unicorn

    “Does he … does he think the abiding belief system of liberals is that we just fucking haaaaaaaate statues?”

    Not all statues. The fact that this one scares religious kooks endears it to me:

    http://localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/blue-horse.jpg?quality=85&strip=all

    • OrdinaryJoe

      Always thought it looked like a dragon. Speaking of Game of Bored, what’s the line on the Chargers/Broncos tonight?

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        I dunno. I’m not a hockey fan.

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      Ah Blucifer. How many statues have killed their sculptors?

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        IK, R? That’s just the sort of creepy “cursed object” vibe that you want for the entry to your airport!

        • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

          Funny, I’m always glad to see it. It represents going home since I’m from Denver but live in NC.

    • Pat_Pending

      I’m assuming it’s the fearsome blue wedding tackle that gives the religios the jibblies.

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        That, and he’s a big, blue, demonic-lookin’ beast with glowing red eyes.
        Hellhorse FTW!

  • reelreeler

    People have no respect for the confederate monuments because of the war on Christmas, Black Lives Matter and the gay rainbow flags. The tide goes in, the tide goes out…you can’t explain that.

  • Russell Jones

    For real? An honest-to-God direct comparison of monuments to slavery, treason, murder, theft, etc. with the 9/11 memorial? This Fox News fellow acts with all the sophistication and richly nuanced subtlety of that family-values GOP state legislator from Florida who got busted a decade or so ago for offering to pay $20 for the privilege of blowing some dude who turned out to be an undercover cop.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    Feeling somber today. Missing MommaJoe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_A20sxbJfQ

  • Kiri the Unicorn
    • Lambsendbeds

      What’s a statue of Paul Ryan doing in Bern, Switzerland?

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        God only knows! —; )~

    • Begin Anew Day

      How very Goya-esque!

  • Johnny Appleseed

    Ok, what very stupid thing did Gomer Gowdy say? I’m sure he did.

    Benghazi statue?

  • Jgb979

    Soon they’re going to say we have to take down The fabled “garden of Bin laden statues”……

    Or the magestic “natural Hitler bridge”

    Or where would we be without “fort Benedict Arnold”. How would we ever know what these people did if we didn’t have hundred foot statues to honor them???

    Wasn’t your party the party of Lincolin?

  • CriticalDragon1177

    Evan Hurst,

    Man, “Fox News” sure “knows” what its priorities should be.

  • Hm.
    Memorial dedicating an attack on, and death of, thousands of American citizens versus a monument to someone who actively once attacked the united states of America.
    They’re right, such a slippery slope!

  • Viktor

    Brian Kilmeade deserves a punch in the face for that dumb piece of crap question.

    • Lambsendbeds

      Brian Kilmeade deserves a punch in the face.
      FIFY

      • Begin Anew Day

        Short and sweet can’t be beat!

  • Delu

    And they are still beating this dead horse strawman.

    Does he … does he think the abiding belief system of liberals is that we just fucking haaaaaaaate statues?

    Yes, this. THIS is exactly what the Trumpians want everyone else to think that the “ebil libs” are actually standing for. They think Americans are THAT stupid.

    Maybe they are right, about Americans of the Trumpian kind probably, but they aren’t really the majority.

    Another reason would be that this si so much easier for them. Ignore the issue of glorifying figures who fought for SLAVERY why don’t we? That’s TOO HARD to discuss, we would rather talk about how it’s WRONG and BAD to pull down ALL our statues (and erase all of history by doing so) and in the process, equate all statues and memorials to Confederate statues.

    Point avoided. Mission accomplished.

    Meanwhile, on a totally irrelevant side note, “Conservatives”, of the Trumpian kind probably, are still deeply offended by the Statue of Liberty. If only she could be more like he Male Confederate Slave Owning Counterparts!

  • TundraGrifter

    Brian Kilmeade’s job is pretty much limited to making Steve Doocy not look like the dumbest dumbfuck on the face of this Earth. A couple of times a day I go into the smallest room in our home and take a Doocy.

    • Lambsendbeds

      A couple of times a day? What are you eating?

      • Husband Of Mrs God

        You ask because a Doocy would be especially large? Or because they should be more often?

    • Husband Of Mrs God

      When I put that off too long, I become Dougie from “Twin Peaks…Return.”

  • Fox News & Friends are a monument to stupidity that could never be torn down.

    Confederates were traitors to their country, fighting against their country for the
    cause of a political, economic, social and cultural system based on human slavery. Confederate statues and monuments should never be placed in a government setting on a pedestal that promotes an aura of honor, glorification, admiration or idolization.

    However, the Confederacy and the Civil War are part of our history. Confederate statues and monuments should be kept in museums where the historical context of the items can explained in a sentiment of solemnity, reflection, contrition
    and conscience.

    • Lambsendbeds

      Well said. Snark meter/off.

    • Begin Anew Day

      The only good idol is a broken idol.

      Yrs Truly,

      Crom

  • IndigoSnap

    Milk Carton Jesus of the Ozarks! I used to stop there and eat a few Oreos in his honor any time I visited Eureka Springs while I was in grad school.

    Anyway, it’s a bad day when Zinke is the smart guy in the room.

    • Husband Of Mrs God

      Oreo cookie, now that’s a choice communion wafer on at least three levels. Especially when dipped in a cow’s bodily fluid.
      I found out the other day that some people stick a fork in the filling. Then how are you supposed to get milk on your fingers?

      • IndigoSnap

        A fork?? Many people have said that’s how fascists eat Oreos…

    • I think the history books will have chapters entitled, “We were so fucked,” when they write about our current era. Jesus H. Crap, would you look at the cabinet we have? I don’t know how much longer… … does ANYONE have any scotch to spare? Any scotch at all?

  • JohnC44

    Is it still a violation to advocate assaulting a subject person or persons featured in an article with a pressure-treated 2X4 with or without protruding rusty nails? Asking for a friend.

    • Husband Of Mrs God

      Flat-footed, non-expert legal response: Depends on what you feel constitutes “advocating assault” (just noticed the distinction from “aggravated assault”, ha).
      Lots of angry smack talk out there and if vocally wishing violence is a crime, that stacks the docket even higher.
      Also considering the possibility you are troll, whatever. That is different from droll commentary.

      • JohnC44

        I’ve been accused of being many things, horrible things even, but never a troll.

        That’s an untenable lifestyle of utter failure steeped in misery and misanthropy. I’d hope not to be seen so miserable at least, but you can’t be sure how text comes across to readers. Suffice to say I am more than 500 yards from my mother’s basement, and with 1700+ upvotes on disqus, not a purveyor of unpopular, conflicting, or incendiary messages to instill chaos amongst random groups of unwilling victims.

        Bottom line: Not cool, man.

        • Yeah, but are you droll?

          • JohnC44

            Oh jeez…see I didn’t read it carefully enough. I can’t argue that I guess since I’m really not sure what a “droll” actually is. Will have to get back to you there.

          • Hrumph! WHELL! I guess we can just assume you’re not a droll troll, but that’s about all.

  • Husband Of Mrs God

    Here’s yer 9/11 connection: There are American Taliban amongst the “Confederate Hero” worshipers, and you will never in our future history see statues of Osama bin Laden, or any other Al Qaeda, Taliban, or ISIS figures. Or any other foreigners we fought, killed, or defeated us. The choir I am preaching to agrees that the Confederacy was an enemy of the US.
    Jeez, I ran too long again. Is verbosity the proof of witless?

  • The Flaming Carrot

    OT, but related: My asshole right-wing stepsister-in-law has put on her FB page “Haunting Images from 9/11.” You know what I think, when I see those haunting images? “Oh, there’s my friend from law school exploding into a million bits so his wife has no body to bury.” That ‘ho lost exactly -0- people that day, but she never neglects to post a whole bunch of upsetting photos so she can claim victimhood to suit her own nefarious political ends. End of rant.

  • Run2Live
    • Lordpnut

      That is sublime. I think I’m having a religious experience now…effulgent light irradiates me…

      • Slamtundra

        Blame it on the dog.

        • Lordpnut

          Doggie may be the leaker. Better to blame the cat; she’s got more “don’t give a fuck” than Mr. Blonde. She’s solid.

    • Someone was SHIT POSTING (Christ, was THAT the funny insider term that was used by someone’s mother?) the other day about waving a magic sphincter all about — was it something to do with the Hokey-Pokey? God, my memory is just SHIT POSTING all over me with ITS magic sphincter, now! Anywho, maybe that’s the magic sphincter. What do you think?

      • Run2Live

        Did you zoom in on Fido’s sphincter? That had to be some magical photoshopping.

        • To be perfectly honest, no. No, I did not zoom in on the anus.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    The fact that Brian Kilmeade doesn’t shit his pants every time a Republican talks about turning the country into a meritocracy is clear evidence that conservatives have no interest in doing that at all.

  • Begin Anew Day

    Can’t the shades of the dead be left to rest? Must They ALWAYS be exploited by the ghoulish patriots to score points?

  • Erick the Kracker

    What a bunch of douchebags. And thank you, Rebecca for letting me type naughty words on your internet.

  • mailman27

    The big news to me is Zinke’s comment about Jesus statues. Does anyone else feel like we may be in bigger trouble than we originally thought? Separation of church and state is hanging by a thread under the most dishonest and least religious *president* we’ve ever had.

    • HazooToo

      The trick to avoiding that feeling is as simple as AAA: Always Assume Armaggedon.

    • phoenix00

      That’s been a Republican endgame for how long now?

  • btwbfdimho
  • He added that none of our statues or monuments will ever be perfect, because “we don’t put up statues of Jesus.”

    Okay, okay, okay. Theoretically, I can accept that Jesus and God are perfect because they are deities or some such. Theoretically, speaking. But putting up a statue or monument to a perfect deity, Jesus or another one, doesn’t make the monument or statue perfect. It also doesn’t mean that everyone will accept it because it is of the deity, Jesus. We’ve seen tremendous squabbles erupt between deity worshipers that even come to blows or worse. And, specifically in response to Christian iconography, we’ve seen some devilish needling come out of the Church of Satan. So, whatever the fuck Secretary Zinke is trying to say about statues of or monuments of Jesus, perfection ain’t going to be part of it.

  • Only tangentially related — I know tangential thoughts are about the only kinds of thoughts that you can squeeze out of those morans — but Eric Bolling’s son, Eric Chase Bolling, 19, was found dead in Colorado. I’m just saying.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/eric-bolling-son-fox-news-tribute_us_59b76357e4b031cc65cc1891?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

  • Keith Taylor

    Ohhhhhhh ….
    Look. I’m not proud of ignorance and I blush with scuff-kicking embarrassment at my ignorance of American history. Often. But I do know a little. The Confederate states seceded and declared they had formed their own country because they were afraid slavery would be made illegal and the richest people therein would lose their wealth and power because of it. No matter what distractions are aired about states’ rights and honour and northern hypocrisy and arrogance, slavery really was the issue. I mean, I’m prepared to take the word of Alexander Stevens, Vice President of the Confederacy, on that, and he certainly made himself clear enough.
    So the Confederacy tried to break the United States of America apart to maintain slavery. Besides that, it sent diplomats to France and England in an effort to get both nations to recognize the Confederacy, and even send needed war supplies to help the South win, based on both nations’ need for southern cotton. Particularly England. Which was only the nation against which the Thirteen Colonies rebelled to found the U.S.A. in the first place, and which had fought a second war with the U.S., that little burley of 1812.
    If that wasn’t blatant and outrageous treason, what does it take to qualify?
    I’m a not too well informed foreigner, and I’m just asking ….
    But I don’t think I need to ask which Fox regards as more important, September 11th or Confederate statues. Like Alexander Stevens, Fox has made itself plain.

    • HooverVilles

      Thanks!

  • phoenix00

    MY questions to Bury-the-lede Kilmeade: Why the hell would anyone in Western Civilization even THINK about taking down a memorial to UA93? Are you a member of Al-Qaeda? Because those are the only people who would want that erased.

  • phoenix00

    At the risk of being presumptuous and wrong and presumptuously wrong, I look at Kilmeade’s question from this angle: does he think that liberals caused 9/11 or liberals were somehow not affected by 9/11 or liberals were complicit in 9/11? AFAIK Americans of all races, stripes, and political views were on those planes, in the WTC, and working at the Pentagon that day, so the very idea that Kilmeade somehow thinks of liberals as anything other than victims is, frankly, pretty insulting.

  • Olav_Pompatus

    “Brian Kilmeade [is] one of the only Fox News men who hasn’t been accused of bad-touching all over Fox News women.”

    Give us a little time, please. We have a long backlog still to work through.
    — Fox Mgt.

  • chicken thief

    Anyone know if there is any truth to the rumor that I am starting that Brian has to pay Vitter’s “friend” double for her to change his diapers?

  • Teto85

    SMDH. What a bunch of losers.

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