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The Washington Post has a SCOOP! and it is that Facebook was the worst during the 2016 election. No, for real! It turns out a Russian “troll farm” in St. Petersburg called the Internet Research Agency spent some money on Facebook political ads MAYBE for Trump, but who could possibly know, during the election, which is still a no-no, for now.

Representatives of Facebook told congressional investigators Wednesday that the social network has discovered that it sold ads during the U.S. presidential campaign to a shadowy Russian company seeking to target voters, according to several people familiar with the company’s findings.

Facebook officials reported that they traced the ad sales, totaling $100,000, to a Russian “troll farm” with a history of pushing pro-Kremlin propaganda, these people said.

A small portion of the ads, which began in the summer of 2015, directly named Republican nominee Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton, the people said, although they declined to say which candidate the ads favored.

Weird! Back in May, Massimo Calabresi published a massive report in Time magazine detailing these exact efforts. He was able to specifically report that Russians were buying Facebook ads, just like the Washington Post says:

Russia plays in every social media space. The intelligence officials have found that Moscow’s agents bought ads on Facebook to target specific populations with propaganda. “They buy the ads, where it says sponsored by–they do that just as much as anybody else does,” says the senior intelligence official. (A Facebook official says the company has no evidence of that occurring.)

“No evidence”! That sounds just like the “no evidence” the New York Times found of Russia trying to fuck the election for Trump! Had Facebook simply not found evidence several months ago, or were they full of all the shit? Who can say! Should Facebook go to jail? If they did know, then surely they should, since foreigns spending money on elections IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM is very illegal. On the other hand, Clint Watts, a former FBI guy who is an expert in this kind of stuff, says Facebook is very “brave” for fessing up to this and doing everything it can to help. Regardless, if this means Facebook has fully come to the table and is truly willing to help Congressional investigators and special counsel Robert Mueller, instead of being lying dicks about it, then that’s a good thing, since we’re guessing this report is just the $100,000 tip of the iceberg on what Russia did to the 2016 election on social media.

Calabresi described how in May of 2016, a Russian military intelligence officer from the GRU was picked up in surveillance bragging to one of his buddies that Russia was about to fuck Hillary Clinton the fuck up in the election. If you’ll remember, American intelligence has been listening to Russians yammering about Trump people for YEARS, but the specific date of the dude bragging about interfering with Hillary’s election chances is interesting, because during the very next month, June of 16, Donald Trump Jr. met at Trump Tower with a bunch of Russians, including a spy versed in the art of hacking. In the emails leading up to that meeting, Rob Goldstone, the intermediary who set it up, said the Russians were promising dirty dirt on Hillary, as “part of” the rogue nation’s support of Donald Trump. Also that month, we learned the Democratic National Committee had been hacked. That was also the month House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy was caught on tape “joking” that he thinks Russia is paying Trump. (And Dana Rohrabacher.)

As Calabresi noted at the time, the GRU officer bragging about RUSSIAN MILITARY INTELLIGENCE screwing with Hillary was “the first indication U.S. spies had from their sources that Russia wasn’t just hacking email accounts to collect intelligence but was also considering interfering in the vote.”

The Washington Post quotes a Facebook official who says some of the ad buys they found (“approximately $100,000 in ad spending from June of 2015 to May of 2017 — associated with roughly 3,000 ads,” per Facebook’s blog post announcing this) were linked to the Internet Research Agency, the troll farm in St. Petersburg. It’s basically a Russian military intelligence operation. Indeed, it was mentioned in the January 2017 U.S. intelligence report on Russian interference in the election:

In its unclassified report in January, the U.S. intelligence community concluded that the Internet Research Agency’s “likely financier” is a “close Putin ally with ties to Russian intelligence.”

So, of course, the big question here, and what Congress and Mueller are trying to suss out, is whether and how much Trump people helped Russia decide whom to target. The question becomes very important when you consider that WaPo’s reporting says that some of the ads were GEOGRAPHICALLY targeted. We don’t know exactly where “geographically” is, but we do know Donald Trump “won” the election by a tiny 77,000-vote sliver in three Rust Belt states. Makes ya wonder, don’t it!

In July, McClatchy reported that investigators were looking into Jared Kushner’s role as the head of the Trump campaign’s digital operations, as well as the activities of Brad Parscale, the guy Kushner oversaw in doing the Trump campaign’s dirty digital work.

In Calabresi’s May piece, he listed who else Congressional investigators think might have helped the Russians with their digital targeting:

Sources familiar with the investigations say they are probing two Trump-linked organizations: Cambridge Analytica, a data-analytics company hired by the campaign that is partly owned by deep-pocketed Trump backer Robert Mercer; and Breitbart News, the right-wing website formerly run by Trump’s top political adviser Stephen Bannon.

The congressional investigators are looking at ties between those companies and right-wing web personalities based in Eastern Europe who the U.S. believes are Russian fronts, a source familiar with the investigations tells TIME. “Nobody can prove it yet,” the source says. In March, McClatchy newspapers reported that FBI counterintelligence investigators were probing whether far-right sites like Breitbart News and Infowars had coordinated with Russian botnets to blitz social media with anti-Clinton stories, mixing fact and fiction when Trump was doing poorly in the campaign.

WHOA IF TRUE, or whatever it is Wonkette says all the time.

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  • Nounverb911

    I keep hearing about this facebook thing, is it something I should care about? Just askin….

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Has something to do with that other kid’s fad – the Inter-something.

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      You should “care” about it in the way that your facebook “friends” are your friends.

  • Treg Brown
    • OutOfOrbit

      notice the wimmins is segregated from the cock-havers

      • Treg Brown

        As one does in Trump’s world.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Handmaids gotta handmaid.

      • PubOption

        He has to make sure the high heels stay off the greens.

      • bubbuhh

        Notice all the wimmens are wearing sashes and heels on a golf course.

        The mens r teh 1s wearing beer girths

        • OutOfOrbit

          thx is did not see that thx

  • (((fka_donnie_d)))

    Should Facebook Go The Fuck To Jail For Helping Russia Elect Trump President? Or For Just Being Facebook In General?

    https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/49235395/porque-no-los-dos.jpg

    • OutOfOrbit

      yup yup yup

    • spangled

      Zuckerburg PERSONALLY should go to jail for telling me that so many of my former classmates are secret mega-racists!

      • (((fka_donnie_d)))

        Not so secretly, obvs

    • proudgrampa

      Emphatically, YES.

    • Grokenstein

      WE SPEAK MURIKAN IN THIS COUNTRY YOUNG MAN

      • (((fka_donnie_d)))

        Merkin. The word is merkin. Google it.

  • wide_stance_hubby

    Another day, another reason to be glad I have nothing to do with Facebook. When I want to be subjected to someone’s ‘All About Me’ show, I’d rather see it in person.

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    If I have to choose between Facebook going to jail for helping the Russians, or Facebook going to jail just for being Facebook, I choose the latter.

    I am also remembering (with a certain amount of vein-splitting rage) the ease with which right-wing operatives rolled Facebook a year ago last spring, just as the election season was heating up, with the allegation that FB was full of the Liberal Bias, like the New York Times and the USA Today, and keeping conservative viewpoints from being shared ON PURPOSE or god knows what other whiny snowflake triggered bullshit they spewed out.

    Horrid Mark Zuckerberg’s response was to start firing people and promising nice shiny new algorithms that would make sure The Conservative Point Of View (i.e., bogus, shitty, anti-democracy, extremist, radical bullshit propaganda paid for by Robert Mercer and Charles Koch) got a fair shake on Facebook, because sure, why not?

    Gah!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Reichwingers are always projecting.

    • Three Finger Salute

      We either need a Fairness Doctrine for the Internet or just to scrap the Internet. It’s had more negative effects than good ones.

      • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

        Killing the Fairness Doctrine was one of the most effective investments Charles Koch, et al, ever made. We’re not getting it back. All we can do is push forward and do the best we can in an overwhelmingly asymmetrical war with these monied reactionaries, and take some comfort, however cold, in the certain knowledge that ultimately these fascist movements do collapse from within in a great burst of corruption, malice, factionalism, violence, and unsustainability.

      • Persistent Demme

        Great point!

  • Jenny

    GO DIRECTLY TO E-JAIL FACEBOOK!

  • Skeptic Rising

    Yes to the latter in the headline. Just for being Facebook. And Twitter as well for allowing bots to post thousands of tweets each day.

    • GoutMachine

      Not to mention their terrible record on online harassment.

      • Three Finger Salute

        The co-founder gave a non-pology for enabling Trump and doing jack shit about harassment, then shrugged and went to go work on his latest “blogging” venture. Medium isn’t even innovative, it’s just WordPress with a “minimalistic” UI.

  • jesterpunk

    Can we also keep Zuckerberg from running for President?

  • proudgrampa

    Fuck Facebook.

    They are contributing to the Dumbing of America.

    • OutOfOrbit

      not always: She Who Must Be Obeyed got a face-plate less that a year ago and now she is up to my speed on news & politics — good thing we’re on the same side

  • GoutMachine

    What a brave Corporate Person this Facebook is! Good thing they’re not HQ’d in Texas, otherwise they’d get the death penalty.

  • Jenny

    This is all just working up to the real reveal, which is affirmative proof that votes were changed, hacked, fucked with.

    You know the kind of crisis that will cause?

    I feel like some weird illuminati beyonce pizzagate theorists right now. I don’t like it.

    • Joe Beese

      Didn’t take many votes to tip the election to Trump in the electoral college.

      That’s just a fact.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        That’s why it’s so plausible. You don’t need massive voter fraud. You just need enough idiots to vote for Jill Stein to make states go Donald.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Johnson, Bernie, Nader, Harambe, Vermin Supreme, etc.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      That would be the Biggest Real Reveal evar… And the Constitutional poop pile that would come with it… Good thing we have Republicans in all branches to protect the Constitu… oops.. Republican Party…

  • specialcircumstances

    I’ll be honest, I would love to watch Zuck lose an election. Any election.

    • Three Finger Salute

      This could have been a dry run for 2020. He must figure, if he can hack the brains of morons enough that they’ll vote for Trump, why not for him?

      So no, I want to see him in prison for the rest of his life before he gets any chance to even form an exploratory committee.

      • specialcircumstances

        Fair point. Still depends on his ability to work a crowd and ‘m not sure there’s any evidence that he can. Usually seems like a robot. I think he’d get labeled “coastal elite” real quick and wouldn’t have the bombast/shutzpah/whatever to recover.

  • bubbuhh

    Can someone explain why FaceFuck is even a thing?

    • specialcircumstances

      facefuck? that’s a different thing….

      • JohnBull

        A prerequisite to working for Trump

        • specialcircumstances

          among other things like zero experience, having your integrity surgically removed, etc, etc.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      It’s your very own ‘All About Me’ production studio.

      • bubbuhh

        So, it’s the ultimate in really dull porn?

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      Because like Trump most people are insecure and vain?

    • pstokk

      Goes back to the development of mirror neurons. After that nothing was the same.

    • JohnBull

      Imagine you cooked a burrito in a gas station microwave and had NOBODY to congratulate you. You wanna live in a world like that??

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    I would like to add this to the table, Evan!

    https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/905569823777796096

    • proudgrampa

      What the Everloving Fuck?

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        She admits that companies like Facebook have sent their top dogs to the Trump campaign to assist after being paid loads of money.

    • spangled

      cambridge analytica is ridiculously sketchy

      • proudgrampa

        Is that Kushner’s company?

        • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

          No.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Robert and Rebekah Mercer, the two-headed devil of Internet psyops.

        • spangled

          It’s the Mercers. IMO the Mercers at this point are more powerful than the Murdochs – way more people use social media than watch Murdoch networks. They are also more secretive, and more right wing than the Murdochs.

          And cambridge analytica has overseen sketchy data collection for Brexit, the Trump campaign, and the recent Kenyan elections (which were overturned because of fuckery). They have their fingers in every hard right campaign going.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            Yeah they need to be exposed but at the same time I realize the people that need to know already have them in the cross hairs. It just doesn’t seem to matter much.

          • Three Finger Salute

            The “mainstream media” or MSM

            Murdoch
            Sinclair
            Mercer

            KeanuWhoa.jpg

          • proudgrampa

            Why are rich people such assholes?

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        But what is worse is that Facebook et al have sent their best to willfully help them manipulate voters with their marketing expertise.

    • Jenny

      85 million????? Holy shit.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Yup, the rabbit hole is not just leading to Russia.

    • Nockular cavity

      “But why ‘Alamo?'”
      “You see that horde of bloodthirsty Mexicans outside, running their taco trucks, taking their kids to school? That’s what we’re fighting!”

    • Persistent Demme

      You all can get all technical.
      I just want to smack that smug smile off her face!
      She makes me sick!

  • Joe Beese

    Just to put the potential financial motive into perspective: The $100,000 in ad buys comes to a little over one minute’s worth of Facebook revenue over a 3 month quarter.

    https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/09/06/facebook-russian-ads

    • OutOfOrbit

      i could live on that

      • Villago Delenda Est

        For TWO YEARS.

    • Stulexington

      Yeah, much as I hate the corporate side of Facebook, I’d be inclined to believe it legit slipped through the cracks as opposed to malice. I have been lead to believe the Russian spies involved are actually pretty good at their jobs.

      I am also inclined to believe that they figured it out much earlier than this and first instinct was to cover up instead of coming clean however.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    Soooo.. political advertising….It must be a thing, but who the fuck believes any fucking thing in political advertising? I don’t watch the TeeVees, so I don’t see it there. I see ads and such online, but I don’t look at any ads online. So who watches political ads and who makes political decisions based on those ads? Really? Who does that?!

    DISCLAIMER: If Wonkette is a Russian ad spam bot, then not only do I read it, but I believe it and I send it money, so I hope the Editrix isn’t a Russian spam bot, but I met her and her babby and Mr. Editrix, so I’m pretty sure their not… but Doktor Zoom almost sounds Russian, so I don’t know…

    • Michael Smith

      I imagine these “political ads” were disguised well enough to trick potential Trumpists into not thinking that they were political ads. Like banners and little sidebar ads saying things like “Does Hillary Want To Take YOUR Guns?,” and “Obama & Hillary’s America: You America?”

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Ohh.. like “Trump will grab your daughter’s pussy, and he’ll get away with it.” I could see how that works… No-one would believe he would do such a thing, so fake news is really advertising, that you ignore, but real thoughtful “questions,” raise things that thoughtful people think COULD be…

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Do they have to be political?

        “Chicks dig Axe Body Spray…now with New Sweaty Fat Guy Scent.”

        “Ammo for less”

        “Confederate heritage emporium.”

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Well, I’m confident that Shy and ‘Trix are not Russian spam bots, but that babby is so damn cute that a little voice in the back of my head tells me “it’s possible!”

      • Msgr_MΩment

        You just know that the Russkies would exploit the heck out of anything so adorably cute.

    • GoutMachine

      I’d like to know that, too. I don’t watch The TeeVee much – and when I do, it’s Netflix or HBO or what have you – but when I do see it, I tune out the ads, particularly the political ones. Who watches that shit?

    • Edith Prickly

      Who does that? People who don’t understand the concept of clickbait and whose lizard brains take over whenever they see “Hillary bad!” stories.

    • Panika MCD

      mostly people on opposing campaigns to counter the messaging watch and pay attention to political ads. but I need to see examples of which ads in particular were posted and how they were framed because only REALLY BIG CAMPAIGN NERDOS pay attention to the disclaimers at the bottom of the ads and it is probably safe to say said people were by and large not targeted.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        And, maybe as an oldz with no FB, maybe I don’t realize how factual FB advertising looks, versus old school real, apparent ads… I can see the strategic interests of politicos caring about the messaging and counter-messaging and who/where it’s coming from… but, well.. maybe I forgot how to watch advertising… but I do know what’s on a Big Mac… two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles… so maybe I can relearn how to watch ads…

        • Panika MCD

          you forgot onions and a sesame seed bun. but politicos were not targeted with this advertising or they would have been countering it. like I said, I need to see it to see what they were doing.

          • Beanz&Berryz

            I didn’t wanna bogart the whole song… and… I forgot the onions…

          • Beanz&Berryz

            Say hi sometime at beanzberryz at why who, if you want…

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      I got tons of those click bait articles shared by my gullible RWNJ sister in law. She shared them with about 50 family members, even people who begged her to stop, because it was “very important they see the truth”.
      I defriended her the day after the election. It was a huge relief, even if it meant not speaking to an entire branch of the family.

    • II Gosala

      Dr. Zoomvago?

      • Beanz&Berryz

        duh duh du duhhhhhhh, du du du duuu du duuuuuu

    • Hemp Dogbane

      Much of this is about discouraging people from voting at all, and a little bit of that goes a long way, as we are currently witnessing.

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      Russian Spam Bot is actually my new Devo Gypsy Punk Cover Band

      • NastyBossetti

        Opening for Gogol Bordello on dates this fall?

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Exqueeze me, but still Hillary did not campaign enough in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

    So her three million vote majority in the nationwide popular vote DOES NOT COUNT.

    (I actually heard this last night from a friend who apparently is mainlining NPR).

    • therblig

      she also did/didn’t smile/yell enough/too much with/without her screeching/soothing voice.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Also overprepared.

        • natoslug

          Overprepared? Heavens forefend! Imagine the chaos we would be in now if we had elected someone who was actually prepared for the job. Oh, the misery! The suffering! The jell-o!

          • Villago Delenda Est

            /Chuckles the Toddler swoons

      • Persistent Demme

        Unlikeable = Uppity vagina-haver
        (Looking at you, Mark Shields!)

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      NicePoliteRepublicans says what?

    • Panika MCD

      she sent Bernie there who, instead of doing events with unions, decided it was more fun to do events with the zealots what think he is a Saint. did he turn some of them? maybe. a gal can dream. but those union households that turned out for him in the primary really deserved some love.

      • Serai 1

        You can’t expect loyalty from a narcissist.

    • laughingnome

      And Tom Brokaw went to Montana and talked to real Americans about Trump and they still back him so we should all just do what they say.

  • Wolf Tracker

    This is what happens when a privately held company goes public and the investors want their money regardless of who is paying them.

    You can also blame anyone that holds facebook stock I guess.

    “FB stock has skyrocketed 43% year-to-date, while among its FANG peers … Facebook’s advertising growth accelerated in 2016”

    Is anyone selling off their FB stock because of this I wonder?

    • Stulexington

      Considering the slightest hint of a whiff of a possibility of a federal investigation is enough to send investors running for the hills I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say probably, maybe, definitely.

      • Wolf Tracker

        What crime did they commit?

        • natoslug

          When it comes to investing, it doesn’t matter at this point if they committed a crime. They have federal investigators looking at them, which, as Stulexington said, “is enough to send investors running for the hills.”

        • Stulexington

          Most likely they didn’t but it looks like they maybe sorta possibly were the slightest bit complicate in a foreign power interfering with the election. And really that’s enough for some of the more skittish investors.

    • Three Finger Salute

      I call them GRIFT (Google, Reddit, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter) or ANGRY FIT (Amazon, Netflix, Google, Reddit, Yahoo, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter). FANG doesn’t sound damaging enough and it doesn’t include all the major players.

  • Crank Tango
  • Msgr_MΩment

    Croupier: [hands Renault money] “Your winnings, sir.”

  • Edith Prickly

    Your move, Fuckerberg.

    • Persistent Demme

      He has to do something big, or he is gonna lose A LOT of people.
      This is heinous!

      • Serai 1

        HAHAHA. No, he won’t lose people. You underestimate people’s ability to completely ignore or deny a danger so long as it’s CONVEEEENIENT. Far more important to be able to post whatever blathering bullshit they feel like than try to understand how WRONG they’ve been to do it in the first place.

        • Persistent Demme

          But there are a lot of people out there that are mighty pissed off about Trump!
          If there were some kind of alternative to come along, now would be the time. (I can almost hear the salivating going on, here in Silicon Valley.)
          People could keep blathering their bullshit, but in a different place.

          • Serai 1

            But unless it was substantially different, and on a different system, and locked down securely in a way social media as we know it simply can’t be, we’ll just run into the same problems all over again. It’s not the particular site (though FB is a pretty egregious example), it’s the whole concept of open social media – everyone in the world connected to everyone else with no boundaries and no borders and no way to know who you’re really talking to. There’s no way to make that safe, and no way to prevent what happened from happening again. Like I keep saying, it was a bad idea to begin with, and no amount of patching will solve its problems. The only way is to scrap it completely and redesign the whole thing from square one, and American is long past the point where we could do that now. If it gets done, it will get done by somebody else, and because of our fatuous insistence on always diving into everything headfirst and damn the torpedoes, it will have to come with a great deal of trouble. Else, all those dystopias we keep patting ourselves on the back for having dodged will suddenly become guideposts to where we could very well end up after all.

  • Rebel Scum with permit

    Interesting how all that stuff that “can’t be confirmed” ends up being true.

  • Michael Smith

    What we have here is a cross-border, post-modern propaganda war making full use of the internet. And the Russians are way ahead of everyone.

    Imagine if Tsarist propagandists were hanging around France in the 1790’s saying things like “Is it really true that Directorate was caught meeting with several members of the English aristocracy to plot a scheme to restore the monarchy here?”

    It would have the desired effect of creating and maintaining instability and removing a competitor for European domination, but it would so much easier to tell that this agent provacatuer was Russian. And it would take forever for him to get instructions from the motherland anyway, so all of the propaganda wouldn’t be on the same page.

    Now is a new, mostly uncharted frontier for propaganda warfare and we are just at the beginning of it (unless we are all about to get nuked, in that case we are at the end of it).

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      Weren’t the commies doing something like that in 20th century Europe? Same shit, different ideology still Russian?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Russian paranoia about invasions has driven so much of their attitude toward the rest of the world for centuries. Having the Mongols invade you (in winter) and effectively hold you in a subordinate position for a few centuries gives you the willies.

      • Michael Smith

        Yes, definitely and so were we. Radio Free Europe was supposedly a spontaneous underground radio station that European democrats used to communicate with Eastern Bloc nations. But it was funded and operated by the CIA.

        The thing now is: (a) the internet is a game-changer, even more than TV and radio, and (b) unlike with the Cold War, now the Russians are fighting a propaganda war that her enemies didn’t know was taking place until recently (and many still won’t admit it).

    • Three Finger Salute

      About the only thing I ever agreed with Trump with was that we needed to get some of the really smart cyber people to flick the off switch for the Internet. ‘Course, that would also mean Twitler himself doesn’t get to have his fireside rants with the base, but hey, so be it. I can live with just Obama doing the occasional Oprah interview and Trudeau taking selfies with a Polaroid. Everything else is garbage and can safely be discarded. As they say on, well, the Internet, nothing of value would be lost. “Thanks, Al Gore.”

    • laughingnome

      The Protocols of Zion on steroids.

      • Michael Smith

        Yes.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Oh believe me the CIA uses social network propaganda in other countries probably as much if not more than Russia.

      It is a whole lot cheaper than a war.

      • Michael Smith

        For sure, but I’d like to see them try and combat it here as well.

        But that’s tricky – do they try and identify Russian troll accounts and destroy them? It would be a bad idea for them to send their own troll accounts to go out there and run counter propaganda – because when the Russians’ plan is to support the GOP’s insane candidate in order to promote instability, that would put the CIA in the position of having to argue against a presidential candidate, which, if leaked (and you know it would be) would be an absolute catastrophe for democracy – worse than Russian hacking.

        • Wolf Tracker

          How do you know if our own CIA is not also buying ads on FB?

          Hacking is a crime but propaganda is protected speech in the US as long as it is disclosed as advertising and is not inciting violence or slanderous.

          My guess is FB was maybe not disclosing these as paid advertisements which could get them in trouble.

          • Michael Smith

            They may be, especially through front groups. I’m not sure that’s the best way to go about combating the Russians, but that’s far from a guarantee that the CIA isn’t doing it.

        • Three Finger Salute

          “That internet thing? You’re gonna be sorry.” -Ted Kaczynski, 1997

          “Told ya so!” -Ted Kaczynski, 20 years later

          • Wolf Tracker

            If only Ted could have avoided that whole bombing people to death thing he would probably be rich and famous today.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Not necessarily, he’d probably have had to compromise his principles and start a blog. Whether he allowed comments or not would be up to him. But, then there wouldn’t be any “exposure” (as Arianna Huffington pays her staff in).

    • Serai 1

      I’m absolutely certain that the Russians started rubbing their hands with glee the MOMENT the internet started to become a thing. Man, the fact that America just opened itself up in such an obvious and delusional way must have seemed like the biggest fucking Christmas present EVER.

  • Three Finger Salute

    AOT,K.

    SHUT. THE. WHOLE. TECH. INDUSTRY. DOWN.

  • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

    IMHO, FB is a blight on the internet. I was on there for about three weeks before deleting my account.

    What I saw was self absorbed drama queens who thought it was important to post the minutiae of lives online and live their lives vicariously through social media and the internet. I just wasn’t interested in it and considered it a waste of time.

    But that’s just me or BTJM… ;o)

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      It’s very useful as a way to form small groups because so many people use it and don’t have to go to one site for their book club and another for their socialist feminist commie witch club. But it would be better to have a non-evil alternative.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Or people could just hold Tupperware parties at home like they used to. We got along fine for how long without “forums”?

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          Not really? Do you live in a big city? because the internet and things like Facebook have helped me connect to people with common interests in a way I never could before. It literally saved my life when I was experiencing severe depression and feeling isolated.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Sorry to hear that. That’s how they’ll hook you, though. They’ve already been found to be unethically doing psychological experiments on already-depressed people. For all we know, they could be enabling that Russian “Blue Whale” thing at the same time. They certainly don’t do a damn thing about bullying.

            https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/30/facebook-emotion-study-breached-ethical-guidelines-researchers-say

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            All I do is go in and interact with groups. I’m not defending hoe Facebook is run or everything they do, but there’s no need to demonize the concept and dismiss the constructive ways it’s used by a lot of people.

          • jsmukg

            Meetup.com, etc. I live in a big city and would not dream of having a Faceplant account. ‘the concept’ is greed and clickbait, nothing more–and as this article shows, hideously convenient for reactionary fascist propaganda purposes.

      • Wolf Tracker

        SFCWC? I think I got an invite from them?

      • Serai 1

        That’s exactly how this whole hideous mess happened – people flocking to FB because OMG CONVEEEEENIENT, which is what always ruins things. More nasty shit has happened in the last thirty years because of the addiction to CONVEEEEENIENCE than almost anything else. If it makes something easier, 90% of people won’t consider the downsides even for a moment. Christ, how fucking spoiled we’ve gotten, that even a couple of CLICKS is too much work.

    • PubOption

      Agreed, but I’m an old fart.

      • Three Finger Salute

        I’m a young fart and I can’t be bothered either. Look at what happened to Zoe Quinn and that’s reason enough for why anyone should stay away from social media.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      Since I have family all over the country, I’ve found it a way to keep in touch. It’s also a way to keep up with my Congresscritter and my Indivisible group. There are also a few people I like to follow like Jim Wright, and sone groups for my hobbies.
      But 2/3 of it is trash and will make you more stupid.

      • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

        I can go along with that. Most all of my family is local though, so I will admit that I don’t look at that aspect of it because it doesn’t pertain to me.

      • Courser_Resistance

        I never set up any news feeds or anything so the only thing I see on my FacePlant are my friends’ posts. No news, a few ads on the right border and my profile are all I see.

    • Courser_Resistance

      I have a small groups of friends that I keep up with on Facebook, but it’s like, *really* small along with 2 or 3 family members that rarely post (at least anything that I can see, which suits me fine). Only one of them posts political stuff and she’s a progressive feminist, so I appreciate it. It’s the only contact I have with most of those people anymore.

    • John Thorstensen

      Yeah, there is that, but I’ve also stumbled on some extraordinarily expert and thoughtful discussions, e.g. constitutional lawyers discussing the legality of Trump’s pardon of Arapaio.

      And, cat pix. Lots of kittehs.

      • Serai 1

        There were lots of intelligent, amazing conversations about all kinds of subjects online before fucking Facebook started up. I used to read fantastic discussions on Livejournal, which was where all the smart people posted before Zuckerberg came along.

  • PubOption

    OT, but is der Zuckerberg a result of EU subsidies to sugar beet farmers?

  • ManchuCandidate

    Facebook based on general principles.

  • Relativicus

    Both good. Or maybe even for allowing 40 megabajillion “First Day of School” posts. Whatever works.

  • Wild Cat

    Doesn’t putting them all on a private pseudo-libertarian island-nation with plenty of boys’ blood to drink sound like a better compromise now?

    • Panika MCD

      ICEBERG!

    • Crank Tango

      Who will be Piggy?

      • Wild Cat

        Peter Thiel’s rent boy, Sid.

    • Red Bird

      I think Tahiti is working on that.

  • Msgr_MΩment
  • Vincent Ricola

    I’m so hipster that I hated Facebook way before they were a Russian propaganda outlet.

    • Three Finger Salute

      I’m so hipster that I hated Facebook when it was MySpace.

      • Vincent Ricola

        MySpace Tom libel!

        • Three Finger Salute

          I’m even more hipster because I hated MySpace when it was GeoCities.

          • Latverian Diplomat

            I’m so hipster, I’m still mad about what the AOL people did to Usenet.

          • Three Finger Salute

            You win. I was a wee small child. But I have heard of it. The other “Eternal September” before, well, the more infamous one in 2001.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

          • Vincent Ricola

            I was such a smug asshole when talking about all those AOL sheep with their disks that needed to be spoonfed the internet.

            Aw well, I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now or something.

          • Red Bird

            I’m so old I remember when 64k was a lot of memory.

          • Randy Riddle

            Sigh. I’ll just go back to using my dial-up BBS.

          • stubbornirishlass

            I miss DOS.

          • HogeyeGrex

            Ah, back when alt.tasteless was good.

        • Pat_Pending

          I’m so hipster, I miss Eudora.

    • Serai 1

      I’m so hipster I thought this entire internet thing was a rotten idea from the beginning.

  • spangled

    So I have some experience in facebook advertising. Facebook ads are very cheap and incredibly powerful.

    I’m not an expert, but for about $100 I can get 5,000 people to see my ad. I can also set very detailed parameters on who the ad is targeted too, for example, I can make the ad show up in the feeds of just women, 30-35, who have a child, and are in a 5 mile radius of me. You can get incredibly granular on who you are targeting.

    People’s eyes glaze over when they see a commercial, but Facebook ads appear near the posts of your friends and family. You are much more alert to social media advertising, because there is barely any break between an ad and the normal content.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Wow….

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      How that thing you just looked at on Amazon shows up on your Facebook page….

      • Courser_Resistance

        That’s all I ever get. Easy to ignore cuz, ‘lol, I just saw that’

    • Jenny

      So I could take out an ad that details how facebook is ruining democracy for that cheap? Money well spent.

    • IdiokraticCulturalMarxist

      “But can you afford a new Land Rover Range Rover?” – Lori.

    • Stulexington

      So that’s why facebook kept yammering about me finishing my profile, not that I’d see any of the adds targeted to me anyway, thank you addblocker.

      • spangled

        i deleted my personal facebook page like 2 days after i started doing social media advertising for my job.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Probably one of the reasons why I wouldn’t get hired anywhere: it’d raise a red flag when the interviewer asks to see your FB account, and I have to honestly say I don’t have one.

          CNN made the association between mass murderers and people who avoid social media. “Anti-social”.

          http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/23/tech/social-media/colorado-suspect-social-media/index.html

          • Red Bird

            I don’t have a FB account and I get hired.

          • HogeyeGrex

            There’s hope for me yet.

          • Serai 1

            Wait, we’re anti-social because we don’t want to broadcast our personal information to everyone in the world???

          • MizzMazz

            I was talking to a tech guy about FB, and how I haven’t used it in ages, and was going to delete the account, but he said, “It’s better to just leave it up blank, because employers find it odd if you had one and now don’t.” My adult son who is in computers does no social media, and advised me to stay off of it, because it causes more trouble than it’s worth.
            There’s nothing wrong with wanting to be a private person.

      • (((fka_donnie_d)))

        ADDblocker is actually streetname for ritalin.

      • theblackdog

        This was why I refused to tell them where I went to school or my phone number.

        • Permit-holder Ron

          It’s more fun to make up stuff. When I was using LJ I told it I lived in Antarctica, and it had NO idea what ads to show me.

          • theblackdog

            That’s damn brilliant.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            That’s the default on FL.

    • TimResistit

      I told FB I was born in 1918. I get a lot of ads for hemorrhoid creams and Werther’s Original Hard Candies. And belt onions.

      • jodyleek

        What, no robot insurance? They are everywhere and they eat old people’s medicine for food!

      • arensb

        Are they the same ads in the print and shortwave-wireless editions of Facebook?

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      and that is why I block all the ads and block Faceplace from tracking me (plus a few other paranoia extensions to keep them at bay). It means I can’t post on many sites that use Faceplace logins, but it’s well worth not having Zuckerberg know every last detail about me. They get enough info as it is, but I’m absolutely shocked by how far up one’s posterior Faceplace will crawl as it stalks you around the internet, whenever I use it on a computer that isn’t locked down that way.

      • HooverVilles

        What’s the proper way lock a computer down?

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          adblock, ghostery, do not track (called disconnect now) , plus a few other extensions

          • HooverVilles

            Thanks!!!!

    • Red Bird

      Doesn’t Google do the same thing?

      • spangled

        Sort of. Google can extrapolate about who you are from your search history, but the data they mine is not as high quality as Facebook’s because you are not handing it to them as directly. Unless you have google+ which no one does.

        You get a lot more local, specific advertising bang-for-your-buck from Facebook than any other website.

        If you were able to cobble a person’s google and Facebook data together, you could create a totally complete profile on anyone. Because you could see what they post semi-publicly, and what they search for privately.

        • Red Bird

          Makes sense. I used to have G+ and when I did a search of my name I got a list of all the articles I read and all the videos I watched on YouTube. So I cancelled my account. Not that I had anything weird on there but it was kind of strange that the information was so easy to find.

    • Randy Riddle

      A few months ago, I dug deep into the Settings in Facebook and discovered all the information it has on that it uses to target me for ads.

      For some reason Facebook thinks I’m a Black female.

      • DensityDestiny

        OT but… I don’t use FB any more because I find the chaos extremely stressful. Any tips for adjusting the settings so that I am getting more of the people I want and less of the shit? Did you just go free exploring or have a useful guide?

        • Randy Riddle

          I’ve never found anything in the settings helpful for getting more of what I want to see. The only way I keep it under control is to limit the number of friends and pages liked on your list and to simply hide (but remain friends with) people posting crap that I don’t want to see.

          • DensityDestiny

            Ugh, thanks. It is as I feared.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “Miss me yet?”
    — Myspace

  • Wolf Tracker

    OK, so how do we know our own CIA is not also buying ads on Facebook to brainwash us?

    • Three Finger Salute

      We don’t. That’s the point.

    • Chyron HR

      You know, the more times you post, “BUT CIA MAYBE BAD TOO??????” the more obvious it becomes that you actually mean, “Stop objecting to a hostile foreign country carrying out cyber-attacks against you.”

  • Vicious Babushka

    Well this reminds me of the time that human colon polyp James O’Keefe wore a maple leaf hat and pretended to be a Canadian citizen and donated $10 to the Clinton campaign, so he could then claim HURR DURR CLINTON TOOK FOREIGN MONEYS HURR HURR only times 10,000 and for reals illegal.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Lol, what a moron. At least when John Oliver paid the “fine” for “influencing” the Canadian elections, he did it with style. Best five grand ever spent.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5ckcTSYu8

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        Love that show! Agreed such style and glee!

  • Latverian Diplomat

    I’m not sure you can judge a website by the number of ads it pushes in your face, but
    Exhibit A: Facebook
    Exhibit B: Wonkette.
    I rest my case?

    • Three Finger Salute

      I judge a website by the company it keeps. Matt Drudge hasn’t updated his layout since Friends was in pre-production, but he’s also A Asshole.

    • tomamitai

      At least back when Wonkette was pushing ads in our faces they often featured scantily clad boobies to bait you into clicking on them, only to find that the site they took you to had no boobies at all — or so I heard, because I would never click on such an ad.

    • Serai 1

      No, sorry. This is a completely different animal. We’re not talking about ads for $1 off chicken tacos, or the newest penis pills. We’re talking about ads that were bought to deliberately fuck with the nation’s political process. If you don’t get the difference, then there’s no point in trying to explain it to you.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        What a bizarrely hostile and pompous response to a comment that was clearly a joke.

        • Serai 1

          I’ll remember that the next time you take “what is clearly a joke” seriously. Won’t be long, I’m sure.

          • Latverian Diplomat

            You’re implying, I think that there’s some sort of history between us. I apologize if I’ve wronged you in some way; I don’t remember doing so, but saying that probably just makes it worse.

            How about we just refrain from replying to each other’s comments from now on?

            I doubt either of us come here for pointless feuding.

  • TJ Barke

    This is another reason I don’t book the face.

    • Serai 1

      Almost every day I find a new reason not to do so.

  • TJ Barke

    Watch_Dogs 2 was right…

    • 3V3

      Yup

  • Three Finger Salute
  • Bub, the cynical zombie
    • tomamitai

      There is NO copy there of Hitler’s speeches so that is FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!

    • Permit-holder Ron

      He’s in every single one of those pictures behind him, isn’t he?

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    “We have no evidence. We have $100,00, but since when is that evidence?”

    • stubbornirishlass

      “We took $100,000, but we didn’t pay any attention to what was purchased with it.”

  • The Librarian

    I already said “Fuck Zuckerberg” to Carpe Vagenda’s post on the BBC Cambridge Analytica / Facebook connection video in last night’s open thread. Still applies.

  • jaspersdad

    I’ve never used Facebook and have no intention of joining. One day last week when I logged into my CBC account there was a Facebook logo plastered over my avatar. After several attempts to ascertain why, and no answers I had to submit a new avatar.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    Oh, come on. They just hugely improved the FB experience when they changed their graphics, font, and let, and added a GIF thing to the comment box. I think we can cut them some slack.

  • theblackdog

    Fuck yeah they should basically go to jail for it. In the meantime everyone should go and delete their accounts if they have one.

    • Serai 1

      I never understood why anyone would even have an account there. How the fuck that weaselly little homonculus got everyone to start posting the details of their personal lives to the whole world UNDER THEIR OWN NAMES, I have no idea. And then they whine that it comes back to bite them in the ass.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        There’s a niche use of it where you can stay in touch with far-flung relatives and friends that’s absolutely wonderful.

        • Reegstar

          I like FB for those very reasons. I like the few communities to which I belong and find it useful for finding out about meetings and activities. I purposely don’t look at the ads, chain mails, prayers, links, and money requests. I also enjoy posts from my favorite columnists and writers.

          • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

            Yes, me too. It’s brought me back into touch with old friends on the other side of the country, with cousins all over the world. I’m in several neighborhood groups and it has been fantastic in terms of us keeping each other informed, from “why are all those fire trucks racing up our street” to “hey, that new Mexican place will finally open” to “here’s why that Target STILL isn’t open” to “how can we help with the homeless encampment under the freeway overpass.” I also keep in touch with friends and colleagues I’d otherwise drift away from.

            We post about concerts we’ve gone to, the lovely new pottery this one friend has been creating, funny cat videos, recommend books and movies and museums and trips to far-off destinations, let farflung friends know we’re safe after the floods or hurricanes or wildfires, heartfelt pleas about politics. And yes, Annie Lamott and others have wonderful posts. You can curate it exactly to be what you want. I also swear by AdBlock which blocks almost all the ads. (It also stops FB and any other merchant from following you around with ads.)

            So I know how pernicious it is, but I still see the positives on balance.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            But you are right it got invaded by trolls and you have be very careful to limit your exposure to their “top stories”. My biggest joy is reporting fake accounts and every Brietbart story that appears as fake news. But it really has corrupted a good platform. I think it began when the conserves complained about them being “Bias” (biased to you or I) They began to get more and more propaganda stories after that, and it has been downhill from there.

        • Permit-holder Ron

          That’s what I use it for – my Friends list is vanishingly small.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Especially when you find out they’re fond of posting batshit political memes, when you didn’t previously know their politics.

      • theblackdog

        Start with college students, especially those who were coming of age when the Internet exploded and make them comfortable with the idea of sharing information about themselves. I remember when Facebook was limited to that demographic and your school had to be on their list in order to register for an account. Then they opened it to the public.

      • ahughes798

        This isn’t aimed at you, Serai. You have my deepest respect! Any Wonkers are welcome to check out my facebook page. I’ve given my first name here many times, and the last name, minus the numbers, is real. I don’t post real personal information on it, except my city of birth, and the city I currently reside in. You will be quite bored. I don’t have anything on there that would embarrass me if I was looking for a job…there’s no boobs, dicks, pics of me behaving in an unseemly manner, nothing. Just memes I think are funny or pithy or absurd, nature stuff, posts by friends in bands, posts from people I’ve been in bands with, music videos from You Tube, political stuff, fellow plant geeks, etc. There ARE swears and an occasional rant. If I WAS looking for a job, I would set my setting to private. Viewable by close friends only. I had it set that way for a long time because of a lawsuit I was involved in, and my lawyer advised me to do so. When that was settled, I changed the privacy setting.

        I like hearing about and seeing my friend’s lives, seeing pics of their kids growing up, and pets, helping them with gardening advice, identifying plants or trees, or whatever. If the Russians can gain any valuable knowledge from my explanation on how prairie plants help hold soil in place and enrich it at the same time whilst looking great, they can have at it.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    I blame Al Gore. If he hadn’t invented the internet, none of this would have happened…

    • Poly_Ester

      Shiva Ayyadurai, the inventor of email, should share the blame.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        sentenced to an eternity of ‘reply all’

    • NastyBossetti

      And if he hadn’t invented climate change, we wouldn’t be having all these super powerful hurricanes!

  • Daniel Hooper

    O.K.; unpopular opinion time. At least as reported at the moment, I don’t have too much problem with Facebook’s involvement in the election. They took $100K over a roughly 2 year period? Considering the advertising budgets companies usually have, that’s small potatoes. It doesn’t exactly scream, “treasonous bribe” to me.
    Ultimately Facebook is a private company and not law enforcement. There’s not much to be gained for them to investigate their clients, and lying on the internet by itself is not a crime. If people are stupid enough to believe everything that’s on the internet just from a single source, that’s a personal problem. Unless Facebook execs were alerted constantly about the issue by law enforcement and ignored it or otherwise had reason to suspect criminal activity and ignored it, I can’t really see what crimes you could really charge them with.
    Now, my thoughts on this could change as the story develops, and I’m gonna guess Facebook is going to do a bit more self-policing after this disaster. As is, though, I kinda have to stick up for them.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Assuming they’re telling the truth about the extent of it, which they haven’t so far. And it’s still illegal to take foreign money to meddle in elections.

      • Daniel Hooper

        That’s where it gets sticky, though, and feeds back into my original point. Facebook ISN’T part of the government; they’re a private company. In hindsight we can see how Russian propaganda used social engineering tactics to influence gullible rubes, but if you suggested that 18 months ago to anybody outside of intelligence work, you would’ve been called crazy; the leap of logic would’ve been astounding without more evidence. Plus you probably would’ve had wing nuts screaming about how, “the truth” was being suppressed.
        Hindsight is 20/20, and unless more comes out suggesting Facebook knew what was happening and did nothing, I find it hard to hold them in any kind of legal fault.

        • Carpe Vagenda

          But I don’t see how you can escape that assumption.

          • Daniel Hooper

            Assumption and legally chargeable offense are two different things.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Yes, but you’re eliminating the latter because you’ve arbitrarily decided that your assumptions — which aren’t really supportable — are correct. I think there’s more to the story. You’ve decided there isn’t. Of the two, your position really doesn’t track :)

          • Daniel Hooper

            …Um, I think you’re not reading the words I’m typing correctly. I have said many times that currently, CURRENTLY I don’t see a legal charge. At no point did I say there’s nothing to investigate, and in fact said my mind may change if more comes out. I’ve only said, at it’s present state, there is no chargeable offense.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            That you know of, based on a news report sourced from a proven unreliable narrator.

            Good point.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      But both Facebook and Twitter have permitted themselves to be completely overrun with trolls, in particular Russian trolls, who actually did sway the public, as well as battering and threatening Hillary supporters endlessly.

      If you were on a Hillary supporting FB page during the election you saw it plain as day. Just search “Hillary meme” and you can see the kinds of things they posted day after day, in the thousands. They infected Google to the point where if you tried to search for anything about Hillary, the first three pages were nothing but horrendous, wicked lies about her.

      This endless, ceaseless deluge of lies and disinformation had a corrosive effect on people who didn’t know how to check it, especially younger millenials without the experience, especially the experience with Hillary’s liberalism, who had no way of knowing she’d once been endlessly pilloried as a “wild eyed liberal.” They were naive and believed the lies. How many idiots did you hear saying things like “I just don’t like her for some reason” or repeating the drumbeat of “she’s a Republican.” Well, this was the reason. It was like a tsunami of false, misleading, deliberately grotesque lies about her, stated in the most persuasive and constant ways possible. Coupled with lies in the other direction about the deeply flawed Sanders, that are STILL going on. This disinformation is aimed at us like a machine gun nest, especially whenever it seems to get close to declaring the election illegal.

      Sam Bee actually went to Russia and interviewed two of the trolls, who (faces hidden) gleefully, laughingly admitted to having hundreds of fake FB and Twitter profiles. THEY STILL DO. Peter Daou, Hillary’s campaign chief, started Verrit, a news site devoted to fighting this, with fully verified news stories reporting the truth. The site was viciously attacked from all sides, crashing the site for 48 hours, and still the ceaseless flow of Putin’s misogyny continues.

      And it’s not just about Hillary–it’s about all Democratic woman. The woman who wanted to challenge Steve King, one of the most pernicious racists in Congress, was literally forced out of the race by death threats and cyberattacks. Russia wants to destroy us, and is using our social media–in particular Facebook and Twitter–to infect and pollute our main ways of communicating. Post a pro-Hillary story on a pro-Hillary page on either platform and you’ll see immediately. We have Russian trolls infesting THIS website, even though we are responsibly moderated (as opposed to FB and Twitter).

      Facebook’s constant touting of fake, anti-Hillary lies during the election was also part of this. Twitter is worse–the young white guy who created the site whines “it’s broken” and literally refuses to work to fix it. They could, but they don’t. They are complicit. There is NOTHING to stick up for.

      • C4TWOMAN

        Both Facepalm and Twatter allow themselves to be platforms for harassment , refusing, or dragging their feet, to ban, delete problematic users.
        I think the core reason is they fear losing revenue, but their rationalization is progressively disingenuous defenses of “freeze peach”.
        I’m not sure of this broken site excuse. Sounds more like he just doesn’t want to expend the effort/time/$$$ to manage the site.

      • Machnethylsteinerbincolabird

        Just curious, what is the significance of the fact that the young guy who created Twitter is white?

        • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

          I have noticed that Twitter, in particular, gives short shrift to threats and abuse to women and Jews and Muslims and people of color; they ignored Gamergate; people in those groups, in particular women, have the repeated experience of reporting abusive tweets and then getting the message back that it doesn’t “violate their terms of service.” It makes me think that to a young, white, privileged male, these threats, lies, and abuse don’t matter, because it doesn’t affect him. I certainly know this is a conjecture, but it does have some background and has been known to happen.

      • Daniel Hooper

        O.K; I agree with everything you said in terms of the morality of their choices. You seem to be missing the main point I’m making, though; what evidence do you have to base actual criminal charges on at this point? Do you have proof that knowingly and willingly pushed fake ads that people would have otherwise not seen? Do you have evidence that they knew the ad agency was an extension of the Russian propaganda machine, understood the potential impact, AND they willfully ignored it or conspired with them? So far, I’m not seeing that.
        Again; morally and in hindsight, they’re awful. Legally, though, you’re on shaky ground at best bringing charges against them in my opinion.

        • Persistent Demme

          I guess we’ll have to wait and see, (and we all should see the ads).
          Cat provided you with a lot of relevant and excellent examples.
          Legal professionals will provide “evidence” and “proof.”
          We will have to wait for the actual prosecutors, (or whomever), to get evidence to see if there are criminal charges.
          I hope there is a legal case to be made.
          This has to be dealt with.
          Now.

          • Daniel Hooper

            O.K; last time and I’m dropping this because it still seems like the base point I’m trying to make is being missed again and again. Facebook provided a platform for Russian propaganda, yes, but by that same logic you could charge car manufacturers with crimes when some gets into an accident because they provided the vehicle that caused the accident. Unless you can prove legally, with evidence, that they knowingly and willfully pushed said propaganda forward or were warned that there was a problem by someone with legal authority and ignored it, there’s no legal, chargeable crime. Morally, guilty as hell. Legally, not seeing it.

          • Persistent Demme

            And how did my post miss your “base” point?
            Did you read it?
            I get it.
            You want to see how a LEGAL case can be made.
            Sheesh! We’re on the same side!

          • Daniel Hooper

            No, you didn’t actually. You cited examples of other, non-employee people using Facebook to do bad things; I see nothing that proves anybody at Facebook as a company did that or weren’t disciplined/fired if they did.

          • Persistent Demme

            OK, I give up.
            Now you’re mixing me up with Cat.
            Maybe your discus is broken.

          • Daniel Hooper

            Sorry; that’s my bad for trying to hold a few conversations when I’m supposed to be working. You did say to look at his statements, though, and I’m not seeing anything there to support a charge there.
            Don’t get me wrong; I’m not saying there’s nothing to investigate; clearly this whole mess needs to be looked at. Just saying currently, with the facts at hand, there’s nothing I can see that’s chargeable.

          • Persistent Demme

            Sorry, I did not say anything about his statements, (who Zuck?).
            He did have a fundraiser for Christie, though.
            Here’s a funny article about it.
            Funny, because someone considers Zuck and Christie “rock stars!”
            http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Zuckerberg-Hosts-Fundraiser-for-Gov-Christie-191094421.html

            I have a “thing” about being misunderstood, and I should know better.
            Oh, well, live and learn.

          • Daniel Hooper

            Sorry; by his, I meant Cat’s statements.

          • Daniel Hooper

            Anyway, long story short; more needs to be done before we can say anything for certain, and I really shouldn’t text so much on the clock.

          • stubbornirishlass

            That’s not even close to a valid analogy. Dissemination of Russian propaganda and election interference is not an accident, and that is the point I think *you* are missing. IANAL and I don’t know whether there is a legal case to be made here or not. But free speech is not without limitations, and I do believe that corporate entities like Facebook and Twitter bear some responsibility when (again, in contrast to a car manufacturer) they make no efforts to curb such obvious misuse of their respective platforms – with international consequences.

        • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

          Oh, I see the misunderstanding. I said absolutely nothing about “criminal charges.” (I can’t speak for Wonkette, but I honestly don’t think that’s what Evan is saying, either. It’s part of the way this site talks–exaggerating things in a “childlike” way to make a point.) That’s a much thornier issue.

          My personal issue is that I think FB and Twitter have refused to acknowledge their impact on the public discourse, and they need to grow up and take responsibility for this, by having decent moderators, better firewalls, and should figure out how to be effective in banning outright liars and propagandists, especially ones from Russia, and abusers. I’ve reported horribly abusive, nakedly bigoted, vile tweets and always get back “does not violate our terms of service.” For Pete’s sake, they could enlist thousands of us who’d gladly help for free–it’s a pernicious evil that we all loathe.

          I read an interview with the founder of Twitter, a young guy who seemed almost literally to be throwing up his arms in a shruggie emoticon, saying “yeah, it’s broken,” with absolutely not one word about “and it’s my responsibility to fix it, so I will.” I think they CAN fix it, but they WON’T. It doesn’t “affect” them, just like Gamergate, so they shrug it off. That’s my beef with them and what I feel so strongly about.

      • ahughes798

        Lies and BS about Hillary were in circulation a LONG time before there was a Facebook. Remember e-mail? Actual newspapers? Maybe we should shut down all the e-mail providers, too, while we’re at it, because some people are too stupid and lazy to fact check what appears in their feeds and in-boxes. What the hell…let’s just shut down the internet entirely. Mis-information is promulgated through it, so it’s no good to anyone for any reason.

        If we as a country are so intellectually weak that we can be destroyed by internet trolling and memes, then maybe we should be.

        • Slight difference between “Lies been around for a long long time” and “taking foreign money for the express purpose of running around the Election laws governing foreign political contributions”
          They fucked up on this one. They got greedy, they got caught.
          Nothing will come of it, however.

        • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

          Back in those days, yes, newspapers were slanted; but we also had decent, factual newspapers, and decent, unbiased national news and reporters. This was not long after the WaPo bringing down Nixon. It was Lee Atwater who amped up the propaganda and lies–and even he repented.

          But now, it’s materially different. The sheer volume of misinformation actually crowds out facts, as well as endlessly battering people with lies, polluting Google searches for information, drowning the truth on social media and anywhere else people might look.

          Not everyone is capable of withstanding that, or understanding it, or being able to analyze truth vs. falsehood–especially after years of Republicans defunding education, and the Koch brothers’ decades-long campaign to infiltrate school boards and remove Civics from the curriculum, as they’ve been very successfully doing. It’s not “intellectual weakness,” it’s sheer lack of information and education. There are parts of the country where education is sadly lacking, where there are no newspapers or bookstore, where Fox News pays public spaces to play only Fox News, where people are impoverished and don’t travel outside of their small area–and these people have been brainwashed and severely affected by the sheer force of the vicious lies fed to them lately. Look at who they are supporting! Most of them are good people at heart who are literally disinformed, made fearful, terrified of a bogeyman conjured up, using the same tricks Goebbels used in the 1930s.

          Beyond that, this isn’t just “words.” Trolls go way beyond sending mean messages. They doxx people, they find them, they threaten them, they drive them out of the public sphere. Just recently the woman challenging Steve King, one of the most hateful, notorious racists in Congress, was literally driven out of the race by death threats. This started with Gamergate, and when that was ignored, it’s exploded.

          White supremacists, Neo Nazis, and Russian malfeasants have caused incredible corrosion to the foundational principle of democracy–free expression, and freedom of the press to report the truth. It’s wrong to underestimate it. This is how democracy crumbles.

  • TimResistit

    I am the rare person that does not mind FB, in fact likes it for some things. I enjoy seeing the extended families pics, I like that I can argue politics with people, and really enjoyed deleting trump humpers from my friends list. I’ve often thought about re-friending them , just so I can relive the joy of deleting them again, but I probably won’t.

    Anyway I love that I can keep up my end of the social bargain and not have to leave the house most of the time. FB is perfect for the introverted hermit that I am becoming.

    • Serai 1

      Fine. Whaddya want, a cookie?

    • chazmanr

      Good for you. You can have FB. You must not be concerned about ever having to look for a job.

      • TimResistit

        Nope, near retirement so I cuss up a storm everyday and make fun of the people who are jealous of it. It’s funny!

      • ahughes798

        How would facebook prevent you from getting a job?

    • cleos_mom

      I see you got the predictable responses from the usual suspects.

      • TimResistit

        Yeah, no idea Wonkette harbored so many douche canoes so angry at FB users. I’ll do my best not to trigger them.

        ah, the fuck I will, triggering is one of my favorite things to do..

    • I love that I can keep up my end of the social bargain and not have to leave the house most of the time.

      Personally, I think that right there is the entire problem with the entire social media thing.
      Our growing lack of bothering to connect with people in the flesh, country wide, seems to be increasing our ability to not empathize or have compassion. Not you, personally, as an individual, but the country as a whole. It’s sort of saddening, in an anthropological POV.
      As a casual conversational tool, I agree it is otherwise innocuous.

      • TimResistit

        I love not being in contact with live real persons, tho. Animals, no problem, but humans fuck everything up.

  • Les Appentis De la résistance
  • JD Mulvey

    Show us the ads.

    If we’re ever going to have something like a democracy again, we need to see the content that was being spread.

  • DensityDestiny

    Ok, so trying to see this in the larger context and timeline. If I recall correctly, I saw somewhere (sorry no ref!) that Russian interest in Trump had cooled somewhat in early 2016 because it didn’t seem that he had any real chance to snag the nomination. The Moscow Trump Tower deal falls apart too because Putin doesn’t hang with losers. And maybe Russian intel shopped their dirt to other Republican candidates and no one took the bait, or maybe they didn’t bother. But as we approach June and Trump becomes the clear front runner, now their puppet has a real chance and they again offer their “help”, perhaps egged on by Page, Flynn and Manafort. The Russians contact Goldstein and the June Trump Tower meeting happens and those idiots take the bait.

    I was trying to understand why the Russians dropped the trump tower project in Moscow, but it makes sense if they thought Trump wasn’t a serious contender. One thing I don’t understand though is did Russian intel believe they really had something good on Clinton from the DNC hacks — cause it sure seemed like there was nothing to that in the end — or did they just have complete confidence in their propaganda machine?

    Sorry for the long post, just thinking out loud! BTW, I don’t think Facebook is nefarious, just greedy. Money is money, and once they start having to actually think about the content of purchased ads, they are going to lose some ad income for sure.

    • Red Bird

      FB is bad simply for not considering the consequences of their website.
      They hide behind freedom of speech so they don’t have to be responsible for the results.

  • chazmanr

    Mark Zuckerberg should go to jail for being Mark Zuckerberg.

    • Pat_Pending

      I think he wants to be President.

      • chazmanr

        Apparently that is a thing with Grade A assholes.

        • Red Bird

          They think they know everything.

          • Wee Mousie

            Fresh fields for Dunning-Kruger.

      • Persistent Demme

        Too bad (for him) that there is that “working a room” and “working a crowd” thing.
        “Working the net” can only take you so far.

    • Serai 1

      Why? He’s got much more power now.

  • Wee Mousie

    Facebook should go the fuck to jail for being Facebook.

    Also, too, see chazmanr’s comment. That, too, also, as well.

  • Persistent Demme

    Now is the time for a facebook alternative!
    Do you hear me, Silicon Valley?
    VC’s?

    • SisterArtemis

      Did you ever look at Ello? I played with it a bit a couple of years ago, was not particularly impressed, but on the other hand, it was simpler and less invasive.

      I use FB heavily for work, and for keeping in touch with family and old friends spread all over the place, so as much as this stuff bothers me, opting out would kind of be like opting out of using any other heavily-used part of the internet: not practical. I do go through it about once a week or so, scrubbing irrelevant ads from ever popping up again, and have learned to block a lot of political-bullshit/conspiracy theory sites from showing up, regardless of whether as ads or shares from friends. It’s a mixed bag, and this news doesn’t help any. But at this point, I’d shoot myself in the foot financially to not use it, and lose out on a lot of good times connecting with people I’ve known for years.

      • Persistent Demme

        I agree.
        I, too, have family and friends all over the place, and it has helped enormously.
        I also have to enlist my husband (an IT security and architecture expert) to keep facebook from being too invasive.

        There must be a site out there (or in the works) that can take advantage of this bad PR, and learn from facebook’s mistakes.
        (And I will check out Ello.)

        • SisterArtemis

          I don’t think Ello every really took off. And if lots of friends/colleagues aren’t participating, it really doesn’t do the job that the helpful aspects of FB provide. But perhaps someone will figure it out.

    • Moar Wordz

      I have fact checked the creation date AND air dates of a few shows. Some of the alleged dates are darn it didilly oh ho flat out LIES.
      Hollyweird has FAR TOO much $$$$$ to ever be caught in embarrassing I.P theft lawsuits. The press alone….

  • Bitter Scribe

    I’ve always hated Facebook, for various reasons. This is one more.

  • bbayliss

    facebook=fishbowl

    • ahughes798

      depends on how much you share.

      • bbayliss

        Wouldn’t know. I took one look at facebook and said unh uh, same w/twitter

    • Moar Wordz

      Fishbowl, U say ?!?
      If I had a nickel for every…oh never mind !
      I don’t like FB and haven’t used it for years.Years, Happy years, of not liking or disliking or poking….

      • SeeTrain65

        I use it to vent or tell jokes, like I used to do on Twitter. And I tell them to myself. I have no FB friends and I don’t want them. Last time I tried, I got too many RWNJ assholes I thought were all right until I got wise.

        • Moar Wordz

          I had many friends on FB that I never saw in real life.
          I ALWAYS made my FB page
          ” Private. ”
          Yet the company decided in year, can’t remember which year, 2010, to make all private accounts
          ” public.” I had no idea and wrote some innapropro things, or just vented abt work not knowing my co-workers were reading my posts. And what I wrote on my computer about work. I wish this wasn’t true but it is.
          So, completely lost trust w/ FB and was being worse than doxxed.
          I can’t believe I still have a cell phone & go online, but here I am. 😜

  • Zyxomma

    Evan, your tweet is too long; fix it. (I fixed it and tweeted it, but one should not have to do that.)

  • mary5920

    I finally did sort of join Face Book a few years ago, but thanks to my techie son, with a fake name & info. They don’t get much out of me except that I attended Whatsamatta U in Frostbite Falls, MN.

  • Pat_Pending

    I hate Facebook, and I spend too much time there because I’ve gotten so clicky-lazy that I just use it as my news feed to real news (which is possible). And the Wonket. And the Dodo for cute animals, lest I open a vein or two. I need to break this habit, maybe go all 2005 and use RSS again, no I never used RSS cuz I was too lazy.

    • H0mer0

      “lest I open a vein or two”
      That for me conveys much of my motivation to spend hours on line. I need to figure out how to make FB stop telling me when my friends make comments. It is very disruptive and not helpful.

  • JD Mulvey

    I am truly shocked –shocked, I say –to learn that FB advertisers are anything other than typically superb corporate citizens of these United States.

    And after all the security measures that FB has implemented! The inscrutable evildoers responsible for this had to create a FAKE EMAIL address! They even had to give a credit card number WITH the three-digit personal card code! The level of evil genius is stupifying. No one could have known.

  • BeachBum

    FB ha$ alway$ been, and will alway$ be, an amalgam of lie$, mi$repre$entation$ and mutual admiration $ocietie$ for what end$ I will never know. It give$ high cla$$ to $peaker$ on milk crate$ in Per$hing $quare.

    • +Anonymous

      Amalgams are dead useful.

    • SeeTrain65

      Quite the unambiguous non-comment there.

  • whitroth

    Facepalm, as I refer to it… I do *not* understand people’s fascination with it. It seems like something intended for teenagers, who are *desperate* to have friends, and as a great aid for thieves, who want to know when the house will be empty.

    • ahughes798

      It’s also a nice way to keep in touch with relatives when you can’t afford to fucking fly out and see them every week. And how the hell would thieves know you were going anywhere, unless you were stupid enough to post it?

      • Mike Steele

        Lady MS: If you were only interested in visiting relatives ‘every week’, might I suggest such quaint customs as a telephone call or, heavens forfend, a heartfelt, handwritten note sent via snail mail…

        • Fifth-and-a-Half Element

          Witchcraft!

        • ahughes798

          I do call my one surviving relative every few days. It’s also nice to see pictures of she and her dog, the guy she’s dating, her grandchildren, etc. Which I agree could be done by taking photos, having them developed, and sending them via snail mail. FB is much quicker.

          • Mike Steele

            Will concede ‘quicker’, but – unless things have changed – you can get photos developed in an hour, and USPS doesn’t read your mail…yet.

          • Mike Steele

            Lad:y MS adds: kids change fast, but not weekly. People who believe social media is de riguer, then complain that all their info is subject to intrusion and public scrutiny, are missing the point of profitable endeavors such as Facebook.

          • BigJimSlade

            Facebook isn’t the only way to share photos online.

          • ahughes798

            Yes, but every other method mentioned here has been dumped on as well. So I guess in order to be cool, we have to go back to snail mail and photographs.

  • TimResistit

    Did I mention lately how much I LOVE THE FACESPACE?

    I do! Ever so much! It’s even better than ironic t-shirts and beards and home beer making! Also MYFACE is so much better than…hmmmm.. Whole Foods and Archer!

    • H0mer0

      fewer carbs (calories are no longer the enemy)

  • Professor Fate

    So are they pulling on this money trail to see who else it’s attached to? I can’t imagine that ALL the Russians did was speed $100K on face book.

  • Mike Steele

    Reason #2,719,435 we are not on social media…save for this antisocial klatch.

  • Why is that an Either/Or question? Both are perfectly acceptable.

  • Electric Ukulele Land

    Let’s start placing bets as to how much and when they’ll revise that 100K number upwards.

    If you’ve ever played around with Facebook ads you know this was 100% definitely happening during the election and Facebook was totally taking all the monies offered to them, no questions asked. They are all about pushing you to boost posts — they now even bug you via Messanger to do it. Facebook isn’t so much a social media platform as it is an ad space selling platform with social media features. Does anyone know if they even have some sort of filtering/gating for whether or not an ad is potentially political in nature? (Kreskin predicts “no”)

    • Petunia Cat

      Wait, Facebook nags you to post more often? 😳 Like a common hallucinatory gremlin in your head? Good gravy, I was right to stay away.

      • Electric Ukulele Land

        That and to feed it money so more people see your posts. And if a post is doing well, that just means you should boost it more (I.e. Pay more money) — it’d be a shame if you didn’t and they had to start throttling your impressions. It’s rather incessant and insidious.

        Then there’s the question of how much of that 100K was because someone confused a daily campaign limit with a lifetime campaign limit. Facebook is designed to take a lot of your money regardless as to whether what you’re doing is effective — and whether there’s any efficacy to that (yay, some randos gave me likes …hooray)

        There is also the possibility that there was all this collusion and attempted manipulation going on through social media, but in the end it had no real effect. Our country really is just that stupid to elect this man, regardless of any foreign machinations.

        • cheetojeebus

          Not just FB, A couple times when my site drops in the rankings on google I get a coupon from them to spend on ads, it’s shocking how blatant it is. drop a few points a day or so later the coupon appears.-i don’t use google ads or fb ads anymore, they just don’t work for us. They have some marketing algorithm so when retail sites drop they pump em for more ad revenue. fuckers.

    • HarpyLibtart

      What bothers me is that people actually just accept whatever they’re served on Facebook like it’s anything other than carefully targeted ‘influencing’ – I do a lot of my socialising on Facebook, but I would NEVER rely on it as a news source, it’s basically one of those terrible morning talk shows that all your friends hang out in, selling ShakeWeights and fad diets in between carefully edited ‘news’ clips….
      Come on people, they’re not giving it to you for free out of the goodness of their hearts, you HAVE to assume there’s an agenda in everything.

  • Moar Wordz

    ” OR ARE WE ” ?!?!!?

    I KNEW IT !!!!!!
    Das Vadanyia !!!

  • SeeTrain65

    WHOA IF TRUE, or whatever it is Wonkette says all the time.

    It’s “Send us all your moneys.”

    (I wish I could. Seriously, gang, send them some money if you can spare it.)

  • +Anonymous

    Weird how many people here claim to hate Facebook suddenly.

    • Begin Anew Day

      I learned to hate it when Huffington Post decided to use it for their comments and eliminated aliases.

      I don’t have any illusions about Real American Patriots and their bloodlust for anyone who they don’t like or has better writing skills than they do.

      Paranoid? Tell it to the children and civil rights workers killed in Dixie in my lifetime because they had the gall to want to vote.

      Fuck Facebook!

      • +Anonymous

        I think if you aren’t willing to own up what you say, you aren’t worthy to say it.

        • Begin Anew Day

          So you’re judgmental.

          Any other fascinating personality quirks that you wish to share?

          • +Anonymous

            Yes. I learned not to call people names in preschool, so I avoid it.

          • Begin Anew Day

            Thanks for sharing. Your participation ribbon is ready to send if you will just give all of us your name and address.

          • +Anonymous

            I’m a cosmopolitan: I have no address. You may send the ribbon to a PO box though. May I see the registry while you’re at it?

          • Begin Anew Day

            Someone once said “I think if you aren’t willing to own up what you say, you aren’t worthy to say it.”

            That person, also, didn’t want to share their name or address. And that, IMHO, was the only wise thing that person did.

          • +Anonymous

            I think you know that he meant that it’s reasonable to be able to attribute speech to a name. Address requests reek of illegal schemes but I believe his name to be Charles Ventin.

          • Begin Anew Day

            THE Chuck Ventin?

            Didn’t he blow a gasket in the Daytona 500 in 2002? Too bad they don’t give participation ribbons in NASCAR. Chuck would be able to carpet his condo with them.

          • +Anonymous

            I don’t know who that is. Wrong guy.

          • Begin Anew Day

            You”believed ” it was Charles Ventin a minute ago and now you don’t know who he is?

            Make up your mind.

          • +Anonymous

            I don’t know the racer you were talking about. Different people can have the same name, you know.

          • Begin Anew Day

            I do know that. Just right here there are TWO posters name “+Anonymous”.

            One of them talks about people not “being worthy” if they practice the prudent and time honored use of pseudonyms to protect themselves from retaliation for expressing their opinions.

            The other +Anonymous can’t decide to share their name with us.

            What are the odds that these two +Anonymouses are the same person?

          • +Anonymous

            High. And I think that both users have already acknowledged their name to be Charles Ventin.

            It’s funny that you started thinking that there are two +Anonymous users when I switched tense.

          • Begin Anew Day

            Well that’s enough for me.

            See you here on Sunday.

          • HooverVilles

            Wow! Me thinks you gave that troll way too much of the attention it craves. Just my humble opinion, nothing moar.
            May you have a great Friday and weekend.
            >^o.o^<

          • BigJimSlade

            I take it Begin Anew Day is your real name?
            All we need is your address;

            Clearly, you’re not willing to stand up to what you say if you wont send me your personal information.

            I’ll be waiting patiently, Mr. Day…

          • cheetojeebus

            OOooo buuurnn.

          • BigJimSlade

            Not very nice to judge Mr. Anonymous, eh?
            Why so judgemental?

        • jasmine braham

          Then why the alias, +Anonymous?

          • +Anonymous

            Because you couldn’t verify my name anyway. Disqus has no credential feature. Better to prove a point.

      • BigJimSlade

        “I don’t have any illusions about Real American Patriots and their
        bloodlust for anyone who they don’t like or has better writing skills
        than they do.”

        Don’t call violent and anti-American regressives like Antifa “Real American Patriots” – they’re young, dumb, brainwashed animals. Nothing more.

    • SeeTrain65

      New in town?

      • +Anonymous

        And likely just passing through. Curious about what Disqus’s business model looks like.

    • HazooToo

      Idk, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you here before today, so you probably just wouldn’t know. We’re “meh” at best about FB. My kid uses mine as a game request machine, and that’s it.

      • +Anonymous

        “So you probably just wouldn’t know.”
        Yep.

        The Wonkette community seems to be pretty small. And isolated. What’s up with that?

        • HazooToo

          We’re not isolated. We wander about. We just always come back here, because it’s relaxing, and it’s relaxing because we keep trolls out.

          • +Anonymous

            Strange.

          • HazooToo

            This is not nearly as strange as it gets. Try visiting on a Sunday.

          • +Anonymous

            No spoilers, I’m guessing?

          • HazooToo

            Oh, you can always go back through and look for older ‘Dear Shit Fer Brainz’ articles. But I also just read the one from today about the guy who wants to fuck his computer. You might like that one. It’s bonkers.

      • Ducksworthy

        I’m proud to say both my children canceled their FB accounts some time ago.

        • HazooToo

          There isn’t much point to it anymore. It’s only purpose is to connect you with games that will addict you and soak up your free time, or with other humans who will be horrible and appalling the way humans always are on social media.

    • Delu

      Not so sudden actually.

      A quick look at Facebook’s history would show plenty to hate.

      And it doesn’t all involve Russian trolls.

  • Molon Labe

    I have never registered with FB. Never will.

    Facebook helped Trump win? Theres lots of folks who claim Facebook is anti-conservative…..

    With the rudimentary understanding I have of FB’s algorithms, I highly doubt banner ads are how they would collude with Russia to manipulate the election…

  • Rick Allen

    The USA government has got to step up their online game. It’s obviously the new frontier of the old cold war spy game. Fortunately, we have a competent government right now and I’m sure they’ll be all over this. Maybe we could move DeVos to the CIA though so she can make sure the Russian spies are kept safe.

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