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FIVE AND A HALF SEQUELS, ALAN!

Get ready to assume a fetal position under your desk, Wonkers, and it has nothing to do with the damned hurricane headed for Florida: John Jesus H. Jumped-Up Christ on a fucking Segway McCain, after voting against the so-called “skinny” repeal of the Affordable Care Act in July, has given some careful thought to the prospect of his legacy, and now says he’d just love to kill Obamacare through the terrible bill by Lindsey Graham and Bill Cassidy, which would convert the ACA into a block-grant program through the states.

We warned you not to assume the monster’s dead, even if the credits have rolled.

The Hill reports McCain cheerfully saying he’s looking forward to helping his old pal Lindsey Graham, sounding for all the world as clueless and fatuous as Aarfy blocking a frantic Yossarian’s way out of the bomber’s greenhouse nose:

Asked if he supported [the Graham-Cassidy bill], McCain told reporters, “Yes. You think I wouldn’t be?”

Graham is one of McCain’s closest friends.

Before voting down the “skinny” repeal, he’d insisted the Senate must approach any new healthcare legislation through “regular order,” with the normal machinery of introducing a bill in committee, holding hearings, all that good old Doing The People’s Business stuff that McCain extolled in his attempt to be Jimmy Stewart. Now?

“If it’s not through regular order then it’s a mistake, but it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t vote for it,” McCain said when asked about his previous statements.

Give that man a pipe to poke Yossarian in the chest with and let him get the squadron lost somewhere over Italy, why don’t you? It can’t be a coincidence that the third member of the Republican cabal writing this mess is Nevada’s Dean Heller.

The Washington Post briefly summarizes just what a radical departure from the ACA Graham-Cassidy-Heller would be, turning all control of the ACA’s healthcare markets over to the states:

Rather than funding Medicaid and subsidies directly, that money would be put into a block grant that a state could use to develop any health-care system it wants. It also allows states to opt out of many ACA regulations. “If you like Obamacare, you can keep it,” Graham has said, using a common nickname for the health-care law. “If you want to replace it, you can.”

In reality, that may not be true. The Medicaid expansion and subsidy funding would be cut sharply compared to current spending, going to zero in a decade.

Isn’t Senator Graham just a little scamp, playing with Obama’s ill-considered line about how people could keep their really shitty insurance if they liked not really being insured? As Aviva Aron-Dine, a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, points out, the Graham et al. plan wouldn’t really be anything like “keeping” Obamacare, even for states that opted in:

“You can’t actually keep the same program if your federal funding is being cut by a third in 2026” […] And even putting aside the cuts, she said, the block grant structure would fundamentally change the health-care landscape. “[Funding] is capped, so it wouldn’t go up and down with the economy,” when fewer or more people become eligible for subsidies.

But other than not breathing or moving, your taxidermied kittycat will be exactly like the Princess Fluffybum you knew and loved.

Yes, that’s right: Not only do the block grants start with a 16% cut in 2020, they end altogether in 2027. That’s not a healthcare system. It’s an elimination of healthcare. Since the bill hasn’t actually gone anywhere yet, there’s no CBO score, but obviously, if the thing ends in a decade, that’s going to be the functional equivalent of a straight repeal, so we’re talking tens of millions of Americans losing health insurance, even in blue states that try to keep some form of exchanges.

Among other changes from the ACA, the individual and employer mandates to purchase health insurance would be eliminated, though states would be free to implement their own mandate in order to attempt to keep premiums from exploding. Funny, though, that works a hell of a lot better with a national insurance pool. Medicaid would become a block-grant program as well, capped by state population, and with ever-decreasing federal funding, which would inevitably kill people and make life for people with disabilities hell, too. It would do nothing to stabilize the individual marketplaces, and would almost certainly create so much uncertainty that many insurers would abandon the markets altogether.

And so on. It’s really grim stuff; if you want to go get more depressed, also check out this helpful splainer at Vox for other details, since you are going to be calling your senators to let them know you think this thing is TERRIBLE. Stock up on a few talking points. Topher Spiro of the Center for American Progress has a fine overview in this Twitter thread, too.

Now, before you actually freak out and go looking for a General Electric M134 minigun and some belts of votes with which to face the zombie hordes, there’s some good news, maybe, kind of: As The Hill notes, even with McCain (seriously, fuck him) supporting it, this abomination is so far not getting any traction with Mitch McConnell, who is no longer on speaking terms with Donald Trump, who of course supports it because it’s an ACA repeal, please do not talk about details please. And then there’s the weirdass Senate rules:

Republicans face a tight deadline of Sept. 30, when the fast-track process known as reconciliation needed to pass a repeal bill without Democratic votes expires.

Asked if he thinks the bill has legs before Sept. 30, McCain said, “I do.”

“I think he’s getting a number of governors who are supportive of his approach to weigh in,” McCain said of Graham.

We certainly aren’t stupid enough to be complacent about the prospects of ACA repeal rising once more from the toxic lake it was spawned from. We all need to light up senators’ phones, folks. Let them know you want them to fix the ACA, not gut it. We can’t let this fucking thing pass.

Oh, and John McCain? The cuts to healthcare for Arizona would come to over $1.5 billion in 2026, before the block grants vanish altogether. Shame on you.

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[The Hill / WaPo / Vox / Topher Spiro on Twitter / Politico]

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  • Bananas Foster

    So, the cancer treatment worked…

    • OrdinaryJoe

      Not really.

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    Susan Sarandon must be giddy with joy at what Trump and the Republicans are doing.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      “But her email …..!”

    • Daniel

      Could you imagine how awful Clinton would have been?

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        Think how shrilly she would have taken care of hurricane preparations and rescue work, how scripted she would have been in standing firm in the face of Putin’s attempt to disrupt and destroy us, how tailored her pantsuits would have been as she made sure we kept the 800K bright, hardworking, talented, skilled Dreamers, and she would certainly have worn headbands when she filled the Cabinet with qualified people, staffed the State Department, calmed North Korea, and prevented nuclear war. She would even have, god knows, kept our electrical grid, voting system, and internet horrendously safe and secure from hacking, just like she did with her emails.

        • Daniel

          She’d have given advice about how to survive a hurricane like the smug, elitist, probable lesbian she is. It would have been so condescending. And she’d have really meant it too. Shill.

          • ANNG14

            Get over it Bernie bro.

          • Daniel

            Irony.

          • ANNG14

            Truth.

          • Daniel

            I cannot tell if you’re serious about calling me a Bernie Bro.

          • ANNG14

            You mean you are extreme right? Frankly, I really don’t care what you are.

          • Daniel

            So you were serious?

            Read my comment again.

            It is an endorsement of Clinton. I say that she would have given genuine, helpful advice to survive a hurricane because she cares for people.

          • ANNG14

            Sure it was, eyeroll.

            Daniel Cat Cafe for the Prosecution • a day ago
            She’d have given advice about how to survive a hurricane like the smug, elitist, probable lesbian she is. It would have been so condescending. And she’d have really meant it too. Shill.

          • Daniel

            I know what I said. You apparently have trouble understanding irony.

            Just to clarify, though, I am neither a Bernie Bro nor far right. I know you don’t care, but as you’ve called me both I’m sceptical of that claim. I wanted Clinton to win the election and was mocking people who insult her with my comment. I’m sorry that wasn’t clear to you.

          • ANNG14

            So it is my fault that you weren’t clear.

        • King Beauregard

          Let’s repeat that last part for anyone who missed it: it seems like the ONLY system the Russians didn’t successfully hack was Hillary’s email server.

        • Grokenstein

          “But she’s a warmonger,” screeched the assholes as mushroom clouds rose above the California coast.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        I bet she would have sent some emails.

  • Bananas Foster

    I honestly think what time and momentum the Republicans had to pass healthcare is gone. They let it hang around in the news cycle for too long and people realize what they’d be losing.

    (I hope. I hope. I hope. I hope….)

    • Courser_Resistance

      I’m hoping that’s the case too. I think healthcare has become such a gigantic radioactive thing that there won’t be a lot of enthusiasm for bringing it back. Honestly, how many times do you need to have your ass handed to you before you start shying away?

      • willi0000000

        “such a gigantic radioactive thing” . . . that was me after my PET scan

  • tza

    This should be interesting. They have to do the debt ceiling first, probably. And DACA will probably need addressing fast too, so that might clog the pipeline and stop this bill from getting through, especially if McConnell doesn’t like it.
    The GOP have a lot on their plate and it keeps getting fuller. Soon they’ll be at a YEAR with no major legislation and that will utterly fuck then in Nov 2018. If it hasn’t already.

    • OneYieldRegular

      Maybe if they hadn’t spent the last eight years doing nothing but holding hearings on Hillary Clinton’s emails and performing 600,000 symbolic “no” votes on Obamacare…

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    I am deeply concerned.

    • Courser_Resistance

      I’m fucking tired of being ‘deeply concerned’. There are TOO MANY THINGS to be Deeply Concerned about. Fuck. Me.

    • C4TWOMAN

      Thoughts and prayers.

      • willi0000000

        signing internet petitions.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Get ready to assume a fetal position under your desk, Wonkers,…

    WAIT, WHAT? YOU NEVER TOLD US WHEN THE COAST WAS CLEAR, DAGNABBIT!!! WE’RE STILL DOWN HERE.

    • OneYieldRegular

      The coast is never clear.

      • VirginiaWackelpudding

        I’m gonna steal that. No truer words at this time.

    • Nockular cavity

      I’m on Team Stay In Fetal Position from now on, damn it.

      • OneYieldRegular

        Rebort!

      • Courser_Resistance

        Yeah, I never really came out of hiding. I changed locations last week to an even deeper hidey hole, but I’m back in my normal cave now.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      The coast is not clear. It’s covered with oil slick from leaky off-shore wells. EXCEPT at Mar-a-lago for some reason.

      • Noxious Resistance

        A place so slimy it actually repels crude petroleum.

  • altleftjohn

    What a maverick . . .

    • Paul

      I think you misspelled ____________ (fill in the blank)

      • Rags

        Hoofwanking bunglecunt

    • ArgieBargie

      John McCain idea of a “maverick” involves expressing concern about a Republican policy for about 30 seconds, only to end up voting for it. He votes the party line 99% of the time.

      In short, he’s a fucking fraud.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        I wonder what he got for coming back to the fold after giving himself some leverage with that no vote stunt.

        • Noxious Resistance

          A hero’s massive in-state funeral in the Capitol Building.
          Oh, the glory of it.

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    In the time it took McCain to talk about how to repeal Obamacare, how many people died from lack of treatment for the same brain cancer he got treated for under his government health insurance plan?

    • Rags

      It is estimated that 16,700 adults (9,620 men and 7,080 women) will die from primary cancerous brain and CNS tumors this year.

      Or, roughly 2 every freaking hour.

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    Charles Koch, who owns John McCain and so many other Republicans, turns 82 in November. This must be on his birthday wishlist.

    I won’t say what’s on my wishlist, because I believe it is wrong to express such wishes in writing: but it is something I wish very, very much for Charles Koch, for Donald, for John McCain, indeed — if there is a God and He is just– for the entire Republican Party, simultaneously and dramatically.

    We’ve gone beyond madness into a kind of Last Days of Rome theatre of cruelty.

  • Roni Raven, Undercovfefe Agent

    Fuck you, John McCain.

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    Yes I saw this on Twitter — ugh and ugh again

  • Wolf Tracker

    I think you are over reacting to this and might want to think it through.

    The only way we are ever going to get Universal health care is for the states to do it. Fed is to over run by lobbyists for insurance companies that donate to both sides.

    The bill as proposed would block grant all the money states pay for the ACA and Medicaid back to the states so they can set up their own system which would allow big states like CA and NY to set up a Universal health care system and most blue states and many red states would join in when it is proven it works,.

    The new bill has not been presented yet and I will withhold judgement until I read it and it needs to keep Medicaid funding at current levels and tied to population and inflation.

    It might be the best opportunity for blue states to finally control their own health care so I am willing to look at it.

    • jesterpunk

      The states cant do it, Bernie’s Vermont tried and found its too expensive. The only way to get it done is federally.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Because even if they did get a state single-payer system working, the system in the bill is set up to fail: like it says in that chart, it starts decreasing the block grant funding by 20-30% increments each year until 2027 when it just disappears.

      And using positive examples as exemplars, and bad examples as things to be avoided, aren’t a GOP strong suit. They’re at this moment trying to push a Kansas-style tax plan.

    • mancityRed6

      unless it includes monies to fund a migration from the red states to the blue states, it’s gonna be bad.
      I say that as I sit here in eastern Kansas, on a remarkably lovely afternoon.

      • Wolf Tracker

        I think my of the poorer red states would join into Universal health care especially those that expanded Medicaid.

        It would have to be set up to allow that and I know it is a big pull but if we want Universal health care it might be our best chance.

        • mancityRed6

          like Kansas? this is a state that has spent years cutting everything they could because they cut some taxes.
          it would affect the poorest among us, (R) and (D) voters alike since they couldn’t afford to pull up stakes and move to a better state.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Kansas was a prime example of why Trickle down Rep economics don’t work and the congress rejected Brown and raised taxes finally. So they have to learn the hard way but learn they do.

          • mancityRed6

            Brownback got re elected in ’16 by saying his tax cuts had not been in place long enough.
            and I don’t want people to learn about things like proper health care the hard way.
            I’ll agree that a certain amount of responsibility should be left to the states, but there has to be a certain standard, a minimum of requirements that needs to be followed.

          • Wolf Tracker

            OK but do you really believe that will ever happen at the Fed level because I do not?

          • mancityRed6

            people got so fed up after 6 years of W that the (D)s actually had a slim majority and got shit done.
            even after losing the majority in one and later, both houses, that progress hasn’t been rolled back no matter how it’s been campaigned on.
            it _can_ happen again.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Obama wanted Universal health care but with the economy in freefall the Dems in congress backed away and we got the ACA instead.

            I don’t see that changing at the Fed level because insurance lobbyists pad the pockets of both sides.

            It hs to happen at the state level.

          • mancityRed6

            the UK has universal, but still has private insurance.
            we were watching a hospital drama and it showed a hotel looking scene. doctors and nurses and such, though.
            “what the hell is that?”
            “that’s a private hospital.”
            NHS hospitals don’t have private rooms and they don’t have pneumatic or electric beds. but it’s still cheaper than insurance here.

          • Wolf Tracker

            If we had a Medicaid for all system with a basic set of benefits and you can buy additional private insurance that would work but I still think you need to prove Universal health care works at the state level to get the Fed to move to that system.

          • mancityRed6

            it already works with a well funded medicaid, medicare and VA system.
            the hard part is getting that point across.
            oh, and the “well funded” is key.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        jericho made kansas look lovely – of course, I’ve been there, so I know better.
        ; p

      • Which, in turn, makes the red states even more disproportionately powerful at the Federal level, allowing them to fuck with the blue-state programs even more.

        • mancityRed6

          if it’s fully state operated, then no. states have very limited powers over what other states do. case in point, the lawsuit against Colorado legal weed by Nebraska, Kansas, and I think Oklahoma hasn’t gone anywhere.
          the only bad thing would be a mass migration from red to blue. housing, jobs, things would get stretched until the business community crunched the numbers and saw the savings of a healthy workforce where they didn’t have to use their payments in an insurance program, just a little more in taxes.
          I know, I know. it means more business that see farther than tomorrow, but it can and could happen.

    • spangled

      the red states will absolutely use those funds to fuck over their people. they won’t cover shit, and they’ll refuse to fund women’s health care.

      i would love a single payer system in the blue states, but fear what republican governors would do with that kind of power over the innocent people of their states. a majority of people in red states might vote horribly, but they don’t deserve to lose coverage and deal with increased premiums.

      • Wolf Tracker

        We can look at the medicaid expansion for example and many red states that said they would not expand did and the same would happen with Universal health care.

        Wouldn’t happen over night but their own red state people would be seeing the success of universal health care and start demanding it for their states

        • spangled

          for sure! I would encourage you to look into Hawaii democratic senator Brian Schatz. He’s working on a mediCAID (not medicare) for all bill that intends to do essentially this.

          also, I believe Nevada(?) is trying something similar. we’ll see.

          • Wolf Tracker

            There ya go!

          • mancityRed6

            and California

      • SnarkON

        At some point, the people who voted these assholes in are going to have to reap what they sow. It sucks, but it’s just a fact.

        • Nockular cavity

          Yes, but so will the 49% who voted against it.

        • mancityRed6

          what about the people that live there that voted against it, but lost?

          • SnarkON

            Look; I’m not saying there’s anything good about any of this. But Wolf Tracker is right: The reality of American politics is that until people are really, really hurting, nothing gets done. If the people who live there and voted against it can, they will move away. If they can’t, that will be awful–there’s no sugarcoating it. Maybe they will organize and fight it. Maybe they will die. It sucks.

          • mancityRed6

            technically, I can’t. although I am lucky to have insurance co paid for by my employer. I can’t. and I’m actually not bad off.
            there are people out there way worse off than I am. I just cannot forget that.

          • SnarkON

            I can’t either, but ultimately what are we going to do? We voted; we organized and continue to organize; we contact our elected officials and voice our concerns. Short of an armed revolution, we can’t stop the GOP from doing what it is going to do, and we apparently can’t persuade millions of people that they vote against their own self-interest. So if the GOP’s healthcare fiasco affects the red states disproportionately, we can only hope that they’ll come to their senses and fight their own battles.

          • mancityRed6

            it’s a long fight, and I just can’t or just plain don’t want to see it come to that.
            imagine the pictures you see of starving nations and it’s Alabama. or Arkansas. it’s bad enough the infant mortality rate in Texas. I just can’t.

          • mancityRed6

            it’s just that, the a stick to beat those who voted against their best interests also manages to hit those who did vote in theirs.

    • Donkey Option

      You seem to be overlooking the poor people in Republican states who will be allowed to die or go bankrupt because their state will never allow them to have healthcare. Those same states that refused to expand Medicaid when the federal government was willing to fully fund it. People would literally die if this happened. I assume the only reason you are so casual about this is because you and your close family would not be part of that group.

      • Wolf Tracker

        I understand that but the only way you get those people to stand up to their own state government and demand better is if they can see it working in other states.

        • Donkey Option

          They are the people who are routinely being denied representation due to unjust voter ID laws and gerrymandering. They have no power in their own states and no resources to move. So, what are they supposed to do? Die? But no, place the burden on them, and then you can say “well, they deserved to die for lack of healthcare because, if they had really wanted it, they would have done something about it.”

          • Wolf Tracker

            I agree there is a problem there but many red states that said they would not expand medicaid did when their own people started complaining. I think they would start complaining loudly when they see other states with Universal health care.

          • Donkey Option

            But there are still states that haven’t expanded Medicaid, and even the ones that did took forever. And in that time, real people can actually die. As in, dead. DEAD. No coming back from it, not resurrected after the reforms are in place, but literally DEAD. I for one am not okay with that, but it seems like you are.

          • Wolf Tracker sounds like a libertarian pretending to be progressive.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Yes because promoting Universal health care is not progressive.

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            19 States still have not expanded medicaid.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Definitely stiil problem but many did that said they wouldn’t.

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            How many?

          • Wolf Tracker

            13 and more planned to expand and probably will if the ACA stays in place.

          • Rags

            Hmm- the rest of the civilized world has universal health care. Too far away for voters to notice? I also too totally see that ND has rushed for single payer since they are next door to Canada.

        • Rags

          And Romneycare in Massachusetts convinced how many Alabamans and Mississippians to vote for Obama and support Obamacare?

          • Wolf Tracker

            Was it successful and fully implemented?

          • Rags

            I believe I have refuted your original point. Goalposts whizzing down the field noted.

    • Crystalclear12

      And as more of the sick die in red states it will make premiums cheaper!

      • Wolf Tracker

        When people start getting sick and dying they generally also start voting for a better system like the one they see in Blue states that covers everyone.

        • Crystalclear12

          How many die before they can vote?
          What’s a good death toll for you?

          • Wolf Tracker

            None which is why we need Universal health care.

            People will also die with ACA as it becomes more unnafordble.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          Citation needed.

          The ACA was fought tooth and nail…Trump and the R’s took the Congress and WH with the express promise to repeal (and maybe replace) and their base loved it.

          Getting sick and dying cause they’re poor is nothing new to them.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Medicaid expanded in 13 states all of which said they would not expand and more now on board to expand all because the people want it and demanded it.

        • Thiazin Red

          If this was remotely true, that people would start voting for their own self interest when republican policies hurt them, then there would be no republicans.

        • mancityRed6

          I applaud your optimism, but it just doesn’t work like that anymore.
          god, guns, and gays…well, and abortion, keeps these people in line

          • Wolf Tracker

            Gays got the right to marry because it started in states. Pot legalized because of states.

            See a pattern?

          • mancityRed6

            a whole lot of people don’t have that long to wait.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Things move much faster at the state level than they do at the Fed.

            How long did Gays fight the Fed for the right to marry?

            Only when states said we are doing it did it happen at the Fed level.

          • mancityRed6

            it was the whole interstate commerce thing that made it federal. states that allowed gay marriages at the time, and the states that didn’t.
            there should be some state control, but there should be federal minimums.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Prove it works at the state level and the Fed will move.

          • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

            “Build it and they will come”?

            Hey! That sounds like a great idea for a movie!

          • mancityRed6

            in reality, something has to be done about the costs.
            my mom had a blood clot in her leg which led to her spending a week in a cardiac unit. this was ’05.
            they spent several years arguing with the insurance about the costs. her 20+ years in healthcare was a good thing.
            the shared room in that wing for the week carried a cost of $45,000.
            and the same is true for pharmaceuticals.
            but then, I’m on another argument about corporate taxes and it just derails.
            I’ll admit, you’re partly right. and I’ll admit there will be some pain from making these people who vote (R) that it’s not a good thing to do. and I’ll admit I don’t want to be here to see it happen.

          • Wolf Tracker

            I don’t want to see anyone suffer and not have health care either and the longer we keep playing the game with insurance companies the closer we are to a system only affordable to the wealthy and healthy.

            That is why I believe we need to get it back to states and let them make that decision where our individual votes can actually make them listen.

            Thanks for the good discussion!

          • mancityRed6

            I absolutely loathe echo chambers. I might not agree with _everything_ you propose, but a little gentle discussion never hurt anyone. until it does.

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            Gay marriage laws were ultimately able to be changed by SCOTUS, because the legislatures in most states would not act. If anything, it’s evidence that a state by state approach is impractical when it comes to change that requires legislative action.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Oh now. You know it was states that passed it that got SCOTUS to the point they would even consider it.

          • Resistance Fighter Astraea

            Getting things to SCOTUS is different than passing legislation.

          • Wolf Tracker

            As long as it gets it done do you really care?

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            gays got the right ot marry everywhere because of a Supreme Court decision – otherwise it wouldn’t have happened all over for decades. Same with pot.

            Oddly enough, the states that did both were blue states, you forgot us red ones.

        • SnarkON

          I agree with you on this. There’s no way anything will change unless, unfortunately, a lot of people suffer a world of hurt.

    • anon_the_great

      Skipped right over the part about zero funding in ten years didn’t ya?

      I live in a state that tried to do healthcare on its own. It lasted four years

      • Wolf Tracker

        The new bill is still being reworked which I expected most of you would not know because it was not mentioned in the article.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          It’s being reworked by Republicans who have no agenda but to redistribute wealth up to the wealthy. I’m not sure what kind of fever dream would give anyone hope that this is going to be a bill that any Democrat should support.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      And since legislators in some blue states (CA for example) were looking into universal healthcare before McCain endorsed this crap, we need to leet millions of people lose access to their healthcare coverage because…?

      Fuck that. If we follow the “we have to let things get worse before they can get better” logic, we won’t get anywhere FFS.

      • Wolf Tracker

        They won’t lose it. Go back and read the plan because ACA stays in place for states that want it.

        • Resistance Fighter Callyson

          Go back and read the part about how the loss of funding means that even blue states won’t be able to afford it even if they want it.

          Then stop pretending to be a progressive when you are OK will letting people die unnecessarily when they lose their healthcare coverage (because that will happen.

          My healthcare coverage depends on Obamacare, and since I just brushed off a health scare that I would not have known about without a routine checkup, your idea is a threat to my well being. Piss off, troll.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Again, the plan is still a work in progress and would not end the ACA in states that want to keep it.

            I am promoting Universal health care so if that is not progressive enough for you then that is just not my problem.

          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            The ACA would have to be re-built at the state level in every single state, and would have to be entirely internally state-funded by 2027. Even right out of the gates when the Block Grants start, there’s 16% less money for everything. That means tax increases, just to maintain parity with what we have now.

            That means that if, say, California opts to make UHC happen, taxes have to skyrocket, compared with shithole states that don’t provide any services for their citizens. California will have to build walls to keep the tax base in, as well keep non-state citizens out.

            How does Universal Health Care live on, and prosper, in a mere handful of states without the support of the entire nation behind it?

            It doesn’t.

            Which, clearly is BY DESIGN.

            This bill’s concept is a snazzy little Trojan Horse, and you’re apparently willing to open the gates for it, because you imagine “Universal Health Care” is painted on the side.

          • Wolf Tracker

            You are still looking at the July proposal not the new bill which is not even finished yet.

            “We haven’t seen a final version of this plan. Cassidy has told reporters including Jennifer Haberkorn at Politico that they’re still polishing the details.”

            https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/6/16263316/cassidy-graham-mccain-obamacare-repeal

            You can read above in my responses to Dok which covers your comments.

          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            “You’ll see, this Trojan Horse will haveTWO UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARES INSIDE, and COOL BUNNY EARS TOO”

            I am not about to start taking the word of Republicans. I’ve kind of learned that lesson. Good luck to you, hope they don’t let you down! (They will let you down)

          • SeeTrain65
    • doktorzoom

      “The bill as proposed would block grant all the money states pay for the ACA and Medicaid back to the states so they can set up their own system”

      No, it would not. The first year of block grants, 2020, would cut funding by 16%. The block grants would get smaller every year until 2026, then end altogether in 2027.

      Also, the bill would NOT give states which chose to expand Medicaid the full amount that they currently receive. As Vox explains:

      Cassidy-Graham would also take the current Medicaid expansion spending from the 30 states that participate in the program and divvy it up among all 50 states. For a place like Texas, which has not expanded Medicaid, this would be a windfall — it might see its overall health funding rise under Cassidy-Graham. But a state like California would be dramatically disadvantaged, as it would see some of its Medicaid expansion funds sent elsewhere.

      So states that already improved coverage by expanding Medicaid — the ones that might want to try to implement statewide single-payer — would get hit with huge cuts.

      And yes, that is the updated article from today, on the most recent version of Graham-Cassidy. Maybe some magical future version, from Republicans who want to pass this without a single Democratic vote, will magically restore Medicaid to its full funding.

      And Jeff Sessions might start dating Maxine Waters on the sly. Anything’s possible. What’s probable is another matter altogether.

      • Wolf Tracker

        I responded to that below. The bill presented in July is being reworked to block grant all that money back to the states.

        From your link:

        “We haven’t seen a final version of this plan. Cassidy has told reporters including Jennifer Haberkorn at Politico that they’re still polishing the details.”

        So you are judging this without seeing the final bill based on old projections and I have said I want to see the final bill because it may be our best opportunity to get Universal health care.

        I am not one to jump to decisions about a bill that is not even finished and will be negotiated.

        • doktorzoom

          Yes, maybe the Leopards Eating Our Face party will decide they’d actually like to give us chocolate, instead.

          What indication, anywhere, have Cassidy and Graham given that they’re just rarin’ to preserve Medicare? Yes, it’s not in it’s final form, I’ll grant you that. But where has either senator said anything at all about changing the Medicaid provisions in the July draft?

          “Polishing” generally doesn’t involve wholesale overhauls.

          • Wolf Tracker

            So Dok do you want Universal health care or the ACA?

          • doktorzoom

            Of course I want universal healthcare, probably on the German or Japanese model, which would be the easiest for the American system to transition to. And I think that while we’re working to get there, the best interim option is to fix problems with the ACA, not blow it up and hope the states will individually come up with working single-payer systems.

          • Wolf Tracker

            OK but as long as states are sending tax payer money to pay for ACA they don’t have the funds to do a successful Universal health care system.

            That is why I believe we need to give this serious consideration because it keeps the ACA for states that wants it but lets states like CA and NY try a Universal health care system and if they are successful it will be adopted at the Fed level.

            That is all I am saying here.

          • doktorzoom

            It would result in massive cuts nationwide. Big liberal states that expanded Medicaid would get less back than they do now. And even if prosperous states like CA and NY did use the block grants to set up state-run single-payer, poor people in red states would have even crappier healthcare than they do now. I’m not willing to sacrifice an imperfect but still very widespread improvement in coverage for ALL Americans so some states can have a nifty pilot program while many others go back to pre-2010 conditions.

          • Wolf Tracker

            ” Medicaid would get less back than they do now. ”

            That is what I addressed in my OP and I said it depends on how they handle Medicaid and it must be tied to population and inflation so we agree on that point.

            I believe if we keep accepting that imperfect system it will get much worse not better and we need Universal health care not the ACA and this might be our best opportunity to get it done.

            Thanks for the good discussion Dok!

          • doktorzoom

            Oh, also, you didn’t answer my question: Where have Graham or Cassidy, or McCain for that matter, hinted they’d like to make their plan’s Medicaid provisions more generous? The ONLY thing they’ve said is that the plan isn’t complete yet. That doesn’t translate to “Well of course we’re going to make sure Medicaid covers everyone it covers now,” and I really don’t see why you think there’s any chance it would.

          • Wolf Tracker

            I can go look for it but both McCain and Cassidy are in states that expanded Medicaid and it was McCain that stopped the GOP from passing a bill that cut Medicaid funding so that tells me they are looking at that and like any bill it would have to be negotiated with Dems.

  • mary5920

    A normal person would be thinking about his legacy and other end of life issues — what kind of a person would do this to other people?! Especially considering how expensive his own treatment is.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      And how much it is PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS

      • Courser_Resistance

        “Fuck you, I got mine”

    • Bebecca

      a republican.

  • Donkey Option

    It’s a really good thing my computer mouse is not made of anything fragile, or it would be completely obliterated right now. I just … FUCK THESE PEOPLE! McCain is a horrible human being, all Republicans working to deny people health care are monsters, and I kind of want to jab needles under the fingernails of everyone in the media who touted McCain as this amazing savior of healthcare after the last vote. You know Murkowski and Collins are voting against this shit. That being said – in going to the last FUCK MCCAIN post, I found that the comments had been closed due to excessive assholishness of Wonketters. I feel like perhaps we were on the right path…

  • natoslug

    Tell me again about how you’re a Maverick, Johnny!

  • Crystalclear12

    Like with horror movies the sequels just keep getting worse.

    • Belasaurius

      I thought Friday the 13th part 2 was as good as the original

      • Thiazin Red

        And Halloween 4 is just as good as 1 and better than 2.

        • Belasaurius

          get thee behind me, Satan

          • Thiazin Red

            Even though its not really part of the series, 3 is my favorite.

          • Belasaurius

            3 has a charm that I cannot deny.

        • mancityRed6

          I just can’t quit the first one with Jamie Lee Curtis.

      • mancityRed6

        no, 3, in 3-D.
        always best watched on a normal tv set.

      • Master Contrail Program

        Will we get ACA Repeal…..In Space?

        I mean, it “worked” for Jason X and Hellraiser: Bloodline.

        • mancityRed6

          no. good god that’s like saying Exorcist 2 is your favorite.

    • Zyxomma

      There are exceptions. Exorcist III (Legion) was not only better than the horrifyingly-bad-despite-having-Richard-fucking-Burton Exorcist II, it was better than the original. And I liked the two Prophecy sequels I saw (the library doesn’t have any after 3). Hellraiser: Deader was a hoot, also, too.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
    • Vel Venturi

      Every damn day.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    And even putting aside the cuts…the block grant structure would fundamentally change the health-care landscape. “[Funding] is capped, so it wouldn’t go up and down with the economy,” when fewer or more people become eligible for subsidies.

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/829/550/a4e.gif

  • Suttree

    If only the pundits would have told us what a piece of shit John McCain was. I was under the impression that he was a mavericky maverick that like to do thing in a style akin to maverickness. I hope that he gets over his cancer and finds his soul. And then is fucking disgusted by what a piece of shit he is. Fuck you John!

  • natoslug

    The problem with these health care proposals is that they are too convoluted and difficult to explain. If, instead, they would just come out and lay out a simple 5-step summary, we could all get behind it. For example, I think I have decoded the current proposal:
    1. Kill the poorz
    2. Cut taxes
    3. Kill the new poorz
    4 ?
    5. Profit!

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      4. Cut those pesky environmental and labor regulations that are a BURDEN on our American sleazeballs who shovel money to the GOP so they can keep getting away with it entrepreneurs!!!

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        Trump said today at his North Dakota speech that our fabulous 3% GDP increase is due to less regulations and “frankly, enthusiasm”

        • Alan

          Sad part is stupid people nod.

    • Vel Venturi

      Is that Paul Ryan’s fap list?

      • Zyxomma

        Almost. Add 4. Kick the elderly out on the street. That would soon include yours truly.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    Saddle up. Here we go again.

  • Scooby

    And, if Menendez is convicted Chris Christie names his replacement.

    • Suttree

      Not yet you fuckers! Push it until Christie is out. I know where my polling place is.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Neat. Though admittedly, Christie isn’t feeling very happy with his party at the moment, considering that they’re universally treating him as a pariah. There might just be some hope for a not-awful pick.

    • janecita

      His ass will be out in November, hopefully this trial will drag for a while.

  • Belasaurius

    Once the ACA is cut, people will die in numbers Jason Voorhees could only dream of.

  • BearDeLaOursistance

    I read that first sentence as “fecal position”. Which makes sense, because same shit, different day.

  • anon_the_great

    Stop fuckin around boyos and do the Singler Payer thing

    • natoslug

      I’m pinning my hopes on Canada invading and forcing reasonably-priced healthcare on us.

      • Rags

        I surrender.

        • natoslug

          After all, it’s only fair after they forced Nickelback on us.

      • VirginiaWackelpudding

        And good beer? Please??

        • natoslug

          I already have good beer, but am dreading the Canadian “Whiskey.”

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Under Obamacare: Insurers can charge older customers up to three times as much as they charge younger customers.

    Under this proposed crap: Insurers would be able to charge older customers up to five times as much as they charge younger customers. However, states could overrule this.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b22f27cbd371fcfd4116e19dad14e1d074a0e2ec15c944c9b5f53f8f883f2e64.jpg

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Sigh. My more vengeful half wants to be all “Good, it might help if Olds faced some actual consequence for overwhelmingly voting Republican”, but the half that’s actually human is horrified. Can’t a guy get some unalloyed schadenfreude anymore?

      • mancityRed6

        my parents are now officially old (dad’s retired and mom has her AARP card, 69 and 65), they never voted (R). I still remember watching the returns in ’84 with dad and how depressed he got.

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          My parents are around the same age. And if they get to razz me about smart phones and college debt, I get to razz them about Trump being the Boomer coup de grace for the America they ruined.

          /s. Kind of.

          • mancityRed6

            dad didn’t do too well in college which is why he joined up for that little adventure in Vietnam.
            mom had a “doctor’s assistant” degree from a business school until ’90 when she went back for a real BA and MA in psychology.
            they’re still learning how to text, not answer every phone call they get, and how to find good stuff on the netflix.
            oh, and they didn’t buy a house until ’99, but it’s in Nevada so it was technically cheaper than the corvette they bought a couple of years later.

    • spangled

      i’m telling you, the new popular group to discriminate against is the OLDS! Dodd-Frank, that whole “no suing abusive nursing homes” thing, and with this the GOP is targeting them with surgical precision.

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        The odd thing is that it’s illogical for them to do so. The average Republican, if there is one, is a white male Boomer. This is the same demographic they’re targeting here.

  • janecita

    McCain will be dead long before 2026, why would he care about what happens to other people?

    • SeeTrain65

      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      THIS RIGHT FUCKING HERE, MEIN FROINDS!

      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  • Bitter Scribe

    If block grants are such a great fucking idea, why don’t they use them for Medicare too? I’m sure the old white soreheads who vote for Trump and the rest of that gang would completely understand that fair is fair and you can’t have one set of rules for young poors and another for oh hahahaha I can’t go on.

    • SisterArtemis

      deep breaths, Scribe, deep breaths…

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Obamacare: Insurers are required to cover certain categories of essential health benefits, such as hospital visits and mental-health care.

    This shit: States would be allowed to change what qualifies as an essential health benefit.

    Good luck, moms-to-be!

    • Vel Venturi

      But ya gotta have all the babbies!

  • foiled again

    Thanks, John McCain.

    I’m old and I live in Texas.
    You killed me.

    • natoslug

      Why did you not have the foresight to marry a beer heiress who plasters on makeup like a trollopy cunt?

      [and because there’s a wonkette post for every occasion . . . ]
      https://wonkette.com/376849/mccain-called-his-wife-c-word

      • Bitter Scribe

        And has a smile that could freeze molten lava?

    • Belasaurius

      you should have been born young

      • Bobathonic

        and more importantly, rich.

    • doktorzoom

      Not yet. We have 24 days before the end of the reconciliation window. We need to kill this awful bill first.

  • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

    Begging Congress not to kill us is so last month (plus a few days).

    Seriously: it’s been five weeks and four days since that last failed vote: the wheelchairs, the protests, the vigil at the capitol, the angry town halls.

    This is existential hell. Pure hell.

    • SnarkON

      Right? Between Charlottesville, North Korea and the hurricanes, it seems like a lifetime ago, and we’re only EIGHT MONTHS INTO THIS MISERABLE PRESIDENCY.

      • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

        At least the “honeymoon period” is over…

    • yeah and speaking as an ACA navigator, they pulled all our grants at 4:30 on 8/31 (they were to start 9/1). they’re ‘revising them’ (meaning reducing $$$) so we’re now out of work until at least 9/15.

      so we’ve got that worry as well.

      this really is existential hell. i too thought i didn’t need to wake up again worrying about the ACA.

      • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

        Yeah – I read about that.

        Words fail.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Any plans the Rethugs offer is basically camouflage to give tax cuts to the parasite overclass, who should be more heavily taxed, as their wealth is not being used to spur any kind of growth, but just to hoard it like a Tolkienesque dragon might do with gold.

    So fuck Miss Lindsey, fuck Heller, and fuck Walnuts.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    The plan hasn’t been scored by the Congressional Budget Office yet

    Details, details…

    • natoslug

      I’ll save them some time: 0/1000. Would not plan again.

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      ☆☆☆☆☆ – Empty and useless. Do not buy.

  • SnarkON

    Having made two trips in six months this year to Central Florida to visit an ailing old relative, I am more convinced that the United States is truly two different countries: Educated Liberal America and Religious Conservative America. We will never, ever see eye-to-eye on a number of major issues. Calling us “united” is such a farce. I think we should just cut the rope on the red states and let them sink. It’s hopeless.

    • natoslug

      We’ll need to provide some relocation services first. Texas should be big enough to hold the residents of Religious Conservative America, though, so hopefully pulling our people out won’t be too difficult.

      • SnarkON

        They can have Texas, Arizona, the entire South, and what’s left of Florida.

        • mancityRed6

          I’m glad you didn’t list Alaska in there.

        • natoslug

          Never! Florida will make for a wonderful marine park/sanctuary some day soon, and we need the rest as a buffer between us and Jesusland.

      • Alan

        You’re about to now piss off those who don’t like you picking on Texas. It gets kinda nasty at times.

        • natoslug

          I like Texas. It has horny toads.

          • Bobathonic

            GREAT horny toads, even.

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        Georgia here. We are working extra hard to be Purple, to attract employers for jerbs and to not be a taker state. Just because we are surrounded by AL, TN, SC and FL that does not make us a target. Please.

        • natoslug

          Honestly, I still think the Great Pacific Garbage Patch should be the first choice in relocation for Trump’s constituency, but if we have to split up the continental U.S., I want them at least one state away from FSM’s Chosen Land, the PNW.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Cassidy-Graham would repeal the health care law’s tax credits for middle-income Americans, the cost-sharing reduction subsides for low-income Americans, and the Medicaid expansion in 2020. This makes it a bit more radical than other Republican plans, which leave a (less generous) version of the tax credits in place.

    It replaces all those programs with a market-based health care grant program, which would send states a lump sum of money to put toward health care–related purposes.

    Under Obamacare, this money has to be spent on providing health insurance. Under Cassidy-Graham, it can be spent on other things. The options include:

    Funding high-risk pools
    Sending payments to insurers to “stabilize premiums and promote State health insurance market participation”
    Make payments directly to health care providers, like doctors and hospitals
    Funding programs to reduce “out-of-pocket costs, such as copayments, coinsurance, and deductibles, of individuals enrolled in plans offered in the individual market”
    “To establish or maintain a program or mechanism to help individuals purchase health benefits coverage”
    Provide “wrap-around” coverage for those already enrolled in a state medical assistance program

    Notably absent from any of these options is a requirement to focus funds on low-income populations.

    tl;dr: GOP says “fuck the poor.” More so.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      I feel like the draw-down is the critical part that everyone should focus on: the provisions only apply so long as there’s funding. Within 7 years of implementation, the plan would essentially return healthcare to status quo ante 2008, with the only holdover being some protections in the states that decided to keep them (I think). i.e. almost total repeal with no replacement.

  • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

    McCain’ts brain cancer is making him more like he always was. That’s so sad.

    Really sad.

  • VirginiaWackelpudding

    Congratulations Senator McCain!
    You have just won an all expense paid trip to one of our delightful ocean front properties in exotic Florida! We will come get you and any family members you choose on Thursday, September 14th at 1pm. You will fly free of charge to our wonderful beach house and spend a delightful week there enjoying everything salt water. Fishing, surfing, LOTS of swimming, and of course beach combing. So much great stuff to find! Can’t wait for you to get here!

    Signed,
    Ms Irma Wheatherevent

  • There’s nothing like being confronted by a terminal illness to encourage one to live their final years with loving kindness and compassion for others.

    Unless you’re John McCain.

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      I guess he just wants to take as many people with him when he goes so he can have some company?

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        So he thinks that he’s going to The Good Place?

        • Zyxomma

          Just re-watched that yesterday, since season 2 starts soon. Kristen Bell and Ted Danson work SO well together.

    • kaydenpat

      He has great healthcare paid for by the government so it’s “I have mine. F.U.”

      • DonaldDGasaway

        Google is paying 97$ per hour! Work for few hours and have longer with friends & family!!!
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        >>>http://GoogleFinancialJobsCash690TopRush/GetPay$97/Hour……

      • SeeTrain65

        Or IGMFU.

        I think that’s what we should call Trump now. “Iggumfoo.”

    • King Beauregard

      Roger AIles had heart problems and hemophilia for a very long time, and look how much kindness and compassion he could muster. The man was so odious that even his own blood wanted him dead.

      As the Lumineers might sing: Hemophilia, Roger Ailes had defective blood.

    • Grokenstein

      “Lee Atwater was a weakling!!”

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    Jason Voorhees isn’t a zombie, folks. Sorry, but he just isn’t…

    • doktorzoom

      And Cassidy-Graham isn’t a replacement for the ACA, either. So that analogy works just fine!

    • mancityRed6

      his mom was the first killer
      spoilers, crap.

  • Darrell Imaginarian

    Of course you can overanalyze this turd. The parliamentarian has ruled that no more reconciliation hijinks will be allowed after September 30th. Not until next year’s budget. There’s no time in the legislative calendar or political will to do anything with this stupid bill. It’s just a vehicle for those Senators accused of murdering Obamacare appeal to say they were trying the whole time to pass good wonderful quality health care reform.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    BTW, if anyone wants to fuck with a troll who is pretending to be a progressive, and trying to tell us why this crap will make things better, look for Wolf Tracker below.

    • jesterpunk

      Watch out though, he likes to steal viking beards and peoples eyebrows.

    • doktorzoom

      Callyson, please don’t do that. Wolf Tracker is not a rightwing troll, as far as I can tell. He IS excessively fond of being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian, and may be so open-minded that his brain may fall out, but he’s not a rightwinger as far as I can tell. Just very, very stubborn, and prone to argument for its own sake.

      • Resistance Fighter Callyson

        Sorry Dok–I’m testy because this is my healthcare coverage on the line yet again. Suggestion withdrawn out of respect for you, however.

        • doktorzoom

          Mine too, believe me.

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          Wolf Tracker has been thisclose to me blocking his ass for the past two week. He has a special hate for Suttree and jesterpunk. I’ve been trying to ignore him but perhaps it’s time for the ban hammer.
          http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/086/900/banhammertime.png

          • jesterpunk

            They dont like me because I dont go along with their bullshit.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            Yeah, I blocked him even before The Dok engaged below.

        • mancityRed6

          I’ll try this again, dammit
          it’s a good thing kind of, sharpen your mental wits and, even though it’s kind of a safe space here, no one wants an echo chamber.
          I know, I know. for the community at large it’s a great place to just bullshit.
          but for real substance, you don’t get anywhere when every one of us agrees on everything.
          and I’m not saying anything against you ’cause you’re the hardest working person I’ve ever known of.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            MR6 – I agree but we already toss and turn the issues without the vitriol that this particular person brings.

          • mancityRed6

            they don’t play the troll and call us names, or at least that I’ve seen. and they are open to persuasion.
            if they argue and do so politely? effectively? I can’t say no.
            a closed mind is something bad.
            I’m not good at quotes.

          • mancityRed6

            I see resistance but not outright vitriol, maybe I’m missing those posts.
            it’s not like Turgid or those that get named on Sunday. asking questions is good, and honest debate is even better.
            trust me, I love all y’all. you’ve been support for over a year now.
            but I love a good argument almost as much.
            it’s just my nature.

          • mancityRed6

            and I responded twice, crap, three times.
            my bad.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            NP. I just don’t see where this particular person adds to the conversation and when cornered, the personal attacks are tedious. Yes, tedious like Spags was tedious.

          • mancityRed6

            I can claim ignorance of that name, and I just haven’t been a target of the vitriol yet.
            until it happens, I can only claim what I’ve known.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        FWIW, I’m not the cuddliest about this kind of stuff, and I’ve found so far that s/he responds to having what you (or I) may feel goes without saying pointed out in a fairly thoughtful way.

      • Wolf Tracker

        Now Dok- I am right here if you want to have that discussion.

        We had a good discussion below and I thought I addressed your concerns about the bill that is just a proposal at this point.

        I treated you and the others with respect and that is what I expect in return.

  • Alan

    If they actually collected taxes like every other civilized country there wouldn’t be all these issues.

  • you guys i just can’t with this. i’ve been working with the ACA since 2013. i LOVE it – i love my job, but tomorrow i have a second corp interview to go back into marketing.

    i so don’t want to do this, but i can’t stand this uncertainty. i haven’t slept since november and now again with the repeal (not to mention our funding getting pulled and being furloughed for like 2 weeks.).

    fuck these people for negatively affecting my life.

    • Boscoe

      …and everyone else’s. :(

  • Noxious Resistance

    “If it’s not through regular order then it’s a mistake, but it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t vote for it,” McCain said.

    If its a mistake John will still vote for it.
    What a great guy. Or a self-serving, opportunistic prick. I sometimes get those two mixed up.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Those are the kind of tough stances McCain is famous for!

  • Electric Ukulele Land

    Sure it would be a mistake — but why would someone be against one those? Mistakes seems to be what this country does best these days.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    McCain will not be here in 2027 to hear the screams of the dying, so what does he care?

    • kaydenpat

      Heartless bastard probably wouldn’t mind hearing the screams of the dying. If Graham’s bill passes, it’s pretty much a death knell to those who need healthcare coverage — people like me who have preexisting conditions. Sigh.

      • Bobathonic

        People like all of us.

    • geoffalnutt

      I’d give anything to hear the screams of HIS dying.

  • Vel Venturi

    Well done with the Catch-22 references.

    Every time I think McCain might have a spark of decency left, I’m proven wrong.

    • little miss high and mighty

      Always try to fly in Nately’s plane.
      He knew the way out of the war and kept extra an extra parachute when Milo traded off all the Mae wests for a sweet deal on some Egyptian cotton.
      Nately kneew how to get out of it.

  • kaydenpat

    This is exactly why I have never understood the adoration of the Left for McCain which predated his run for President in 2008 and has lingered on through the years. He has always been an awful person and he’s living up to his legacy with this pronouncement.

    • Bobathonic

      But he’s so mavericky! ~swoon~

    • mancityRed6

      he foisted Palin upon the country, and, the world.
      no. just no.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      David Foster Wallace (I know, I know, go with what little of my faded innocence is left) made a decent, if naive, case for him.

      Then he killed himself, although I’m not sure that was the brush with reality that got to him.

    • King Beauregard

      I think the Left wanted very much to believe there was such a thing as a good Republican, and McCain looked like he might be that elusive animal. But nope, he was simply somehow even more shameless than the other Republicans, who had not a particle of shame between the lot of them.

  • Look! It’s the ACA repeal! (But much less amusing)

    https://youtu.be/IHVh_S9NGIU

    • mancityRed6

      it’s been some time since I’ve seen it, so I was all “please let that be PeeWee’s scene”

  • WeaselPoo

    McCain reminds me of Palin which os bad enough.

  • The Librarian

    Catch-22 is one of my all-time favorite books. Who would have ever guessed that it would become more and more real and less like fiction over the years? Not back in the days when I was young and idealistic. Now I’m just old(er) and cynical. Oh and fuck John McCain with a fresh, hot copy of the ACA.

    • doktorzoom

      Heller always said that Catch-22 was as much about working at Time Magazine as being in WW II.

      • The Librarian

        Lol, I can understand that. I worked at such a place myself. I finally quit when I developed a tic in my eye. It went away when I started a new job. I’ve been at my present job forever, but if my eye ever starts twitching….

        • Smibo

          Hey, let’s all get a Monopoly game going in the day room!

          • The Librarian

            You’ll have to start without me until the Spawn commit me permanently.

        • Moar Wordz

          I had an eye tic from stress,too….not fun. It feels like everyone notices when usually they’re wrapped up in their own stuff. That was the job where…oh never mind. Built like a bunker and a bunch of nutz rattling around. Basically a warehouse with a cavernous automatic garage door. Kept everyone out when the door was down, niiiiiice, but all of us ricocheting off eachother. A place where theft was commonplace and bursts of profanity. Hazing, oh, that 2 !
          Good times.

          • The Librarian

            Gawd, that sounds awful. The first year I was there it was a love fest. Starting the second year everyone’s true colors started showing. Screaming in the halls was a minor part. Quit two years to the day I was hired. Fuck that noise, literally.

          • Moar Wordz

            I lasted a year and nine months before throwing off my apron and laughing maniacally as I drove away. The sweet, sweet, brief taste of freedom.

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    Okay, Grrrrrrr…..(gets writing equipment together, picks up phone)….

  • Mormos

    on the plus side, the FDA just approved MDMA as a treatment for PTSD. I guess i’ll load up on molly before they yank my medicaid.

    • mancityRed6

      that’s what it was originally used for. good lord, don’t tell me bell bottoms are back as well?

      • JustDon’tSayDignity

        FFS, I hope not. Although skinny jeans look kinda stupid, too.

        • mancityRed6

          and hard to get off, I think.

  • Boscoe

    “Oh, and John McCain? The cuts to healthcare for Arizona would come to over $1.5 billion in 2026, before the block grants vanish altogether. Shame on you.”

    To be fair, it’s not like McCain has ever done anything for AZ before, why would he start now?

  • mailman27

    So, who was buying McCain’s bullshit to begin with? The guy is, was, and always will be a total shitbird. Or a spineless dickweed, take your pick.

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      Or he might be a rare breed! A total maverick shitweed dickless spinebird!

    • mancityRed6

      Palin? “bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran”
      good lord he’s an asshat.

  • Jgb979

    Just in case anyone needs a reminder of how there literally are no sane voices left in the Republican Party.

    These are the supposed adults

  • mancityRed6

    Oh, look, two racists being racist
    http://crooksandliars.com/2017/09/tucker-carlson-and-jeff-lord-whine-about
    c-c-c-c-combobreaker.

  • mancityRed6

    oh, and another dick being a dick
    http://crooksandliars.com/2017/09/florida-sheriff-orders-dangerous-id-checks
    “FL Sheriff Orders ID Checks At Hurricane Shelters So He Can Jail People With Warrants”
    “A Florida sheriff stirred up controversy this week after he revealed that deputies would be checking IDs at local hurricane shelters and arresting anyone with an outstanding warrant, which can be issued for something as common as a traffic ticket.”
    yay!
    and it’s not like the dick doesn’t look like a dick
    http://crooksandliars.com/files/imagecache/node_primary/primary_image/17/09/judd1.jpg
    good lord

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      “well if they don’t show, maybe they’ll just die.” – Dickhead Sheriff

      • mancityRed6

        hating these people is just not strong enough.
        pitchforks aren’t strong enough.

        • sarafina

          That’s why you need torches also, too.

          • mancityRed6

            there oughta be a store for that

    • SnarkON

      MAGA!

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Polk County. Figures.

  • CATMAN

    Obama snookered the Republicans by taking the conservative response to Hillary’s health plan plus Romneycare and adopting it as his own, taking stuff from the Heritage Foundation and the CofC, so the Republiclowns really didn’t have much room to maneuver to come up with a replacement.

    • mancityRed6

      it was the only choice they had at the time, thanks to the yellow dogs who fought it.
      I can only imagine the anguish he fought through when the original plan fell through.

    • tinker12

      Thank you for reminding us that the ACA is a Rethuglican idea.

      • Steely_Fan

        Which didn’t slow them up for one second when it came to opposing it with every low-down dirty trick they could throw at it.

    • King Beauregard

      Yeah that’s what the Left loves to say so they can demonize the ACA as a betrayal of their alleged principles. But the devil is in the details, and the ACA does a ton of stuff that Republicans hate, such as capping profits and subsidizing low-income policy holders. A human, a bear, and a gorilla are all very similar too, if you resolve to ignore the details that set them apart.

      The big problem with the ACA, for those who want to replace it, is that it actually does its job well, much better than people on the Left or Right want to admit. Yes it’s still costly, but that has everything to do with our very very for-profit medical providers turning in bills that are 50% more than in Canada and 100% more than in Europe. Even single payer runs into huge cost problems, such as when it failed in Vermont just months before Bernie hit the campaign trail (funny how he never mentioned that). If we’re going to do anything at this point, it needs to be regulating doctors, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies directly so we can bring their prices down.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    I want a rider on this bill that states that Senators are not allowed to have health coverage at all. They have to pay all health expenses out of pocket.

    • mancityRed6

      I would say “not they’re state salaries” but then they’d just make an adjustment to the campaign contribution laws.

    • SeeTrain65

      And then cut their salaries to about $14,000 a year.

  • HarryButtle

    “…since you are going to be calling your senators to let them know you think this thing is TERRIBLE.”

    Yeah, well McCain IS my Senator so FUCK!

    • Call him every hour. Text the mo fo. Ask how are you, John? I would be better if you were not trying to kill me. Maybe try not to kill me? Thanks!

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    He’s already mavericked:

    “While I support the concept of the Graham-Cassidy proposal, I want to see the final legislation and understand its impact on the state of Arizona before taking a position,” McCain said in a statement Wednesday evening.

    • sarafina

      What does McCain care? He’ll be dead in a year – from cancer if not from votes.

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        Sooner, if Trump’s followers get their wish.

        • BillEGoatSmirk

          Kelli “chemtrails” already told him to piss off to the cemetery.

  • mancityRed6

    *NPR whisper*
    it’s currently 72 degrees, or 22 C, and I’m…well, yeah.
    don’t ask.

    • Les Appentis De la résistance

      nekkid?

      • mancityRed6

        I prefer not to answer to let those that want to imagine their worst.
        wait…that’s me

  • President in Exile Firefly

    “… as clueless and fatuous as Aarfy blocking a frantic Yossarian’s way out of the bomber’s greenhouse nose…”
    Kids, that’s what a PhD in Rhetoric can do for you!

    • President in Exile Firefly

      Actually, I’d love to write as well as Dok.

      • mancityRed6

        who wouldn’t?

    • Steely_Fan

      Beat me to it. The perfect simile for doddering Walnuts. I’m sorry he has brain cancer, but JFC on a pogo stick, does that mean he doesn’t have to make sense?

    • Moar Wordz

      I only took a semester of rhetoric, can some one explain the joke ?

      • President in Exile Firefly

        Heller’s Catch 22.

  • Ωbjectifier

    God DAMN It, John McCain, JUST FUCK YOU

    My morning prayer.

  • Khavrinen

    “Yes, that’s right: Not only do the block grants start with a 16% cut in 2020, they end altogether in 2027.”

    “Yes, I’m afraid we’re going to have to amputate your leg, but to make it seem not so bad we’re going to do it six inches at a time…”

  • Les Appentis De la résistance

    Lindsey is an embarrassment to everyone named Lindsey.

  • mancityRed6

    whaaa? 12 years in?
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/db494ba40b34b968665f8aa2e79b779356280a2eb9ce51ddadb2680b2a3a2b55.jpg
    in my experience this is four, maybe 5 years in.

    • Guest Liberal

      Well, Tina Fey was a virgin until age 24…so factor that in.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    “We’re gonna fuck up everybody, and everything, but hey – at least we stuck it to that black president, hurr hurrr!”

    I seriously doubt they can hide this mountain of dogshit under the “budget reconciliation” blanket.

  • BoatOfVelociraptors

    Looks like I chose the wrong day to wear my WALNUTS! shirt…

  • bbayliss

    Shit, more phone calls, emails, and lost sleep.

  • jodyleek

    Walnuts!: The Leroy Jenkins of the senate.

  • So it is someone else’s turn to take a “principled” stand.
    GOP has everything it wants and us all coming and going. Same as it ever was.

  • lovelydestruction

    Fuckers

  • Delu

    Meh, in the end, the initial impression of McCain when he voted for that dog and pony show to proceed, even if his vote for the travesty of the “bill” itself was a “no”, was the most accurate one.

    Fuck him.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    I remember when he announced he had brain cancer, and many Wonkers were talking about what a wonderful hero McCain is. If you do even a cursory examination of McCain’s past, he’s a total piece of shit. He’s a rich, incompetent, serial adulterer, entitled, asshole, just like Trump

    • Delu

      I don’t begrudge him his cancer, that was something very unfortunate to happen to him. However his cancer doesn’t change the fact that he’s been the sort of person he’s always been.

      That is something I did not overlook simply because he had cancer.

    • King Beauregard

      As I was very careful to say at the time: I wish all the best to the private citizen John McCain, but public servant Senator McCain has done nothing but cause harm so the sooner he quits the better.

      Obama spoke well of McCain but Obama is a class act and I can’t begrudge him his classiness.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        He’s a horrible person, who has led a charmed and entitled life, both as a private and public figure. His daughter is equally as bad. They actively try to make other people’s lives harder. They can both drop dead as far as I’m concerned.

    • mailman27

      One of the worst. You expect this kind of loathsome behavior from McConnell, no bones about it. But this guy, acting like he’s so thoughtful, such a lofty thinker. Drink a dick, John McCain.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I’ve always hated that fucker.

  • Permit-holder Ron

    All of us who thought ol’ Walnuts finally grew a heart and spine are feeling pretty sheepish right about now.

    • King Beauregard

      Sorry. I felt Walnuts recanted last time only for the sake of image, and I really would have preferred to have been wrong.

      It’s a Gen X thing, maybe. We’re not exactly cynical, but we are pretty good at spotting when someone’s trying to sell us something. Most public figures are trying to sell at least a little bit of the time, the trick is figuring out what is being sold and why.

  • Spurning Beer

    At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.

  • rick

    Welp if RINO Miss Lindsey and old man McCain are for something, the Freedumb Caucus in the House will be against it. You can’t reconcile that fact.

  • ken_kukec

    “Oh, and John McCain? The cuts to healthcare for Arizona would come to over $1.5 billion in 2026, before the block grants vanish altogether. Shame on you.”

    What do you expect? Old Aarfy has never paid for it.

    • mailman27

      Shame? He’s not familiar with the concept.

  • Bill Patterson

    A gentle reminder:
    McCain has inoperable brain cancer in his frontal cortex and could easily become incapable of consciousness at any moment.
    The prudent approach is to ignore him.
    Repeal and replace Obamacare? Not gonna happen.

    • Maybe

      If the new bill eviscerates Medicaid it will get the same response as the other failures. More than one Repub voted against those bills.

  • Maybe

    There is nothing new about McCain being an attention-seeking hypocrite.

  • mailman27

    Hosebag.

  • (a) McCain is retiring at the end of this term if not sooner. (b) He’s never been a maverick as just reckless and erratic. There ain’t never been much consistency there. Never liked McCain. The smug asshole.

    • Les Ismore

      McCain always disappoints….always

  • Grokenstein

    it’s a mistake, but it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t vote for it,” McCain said

    There’s your epitaph and your legacy.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      in a (wal)nuts-shell

  • Wee Mousie

    Best case scenario is that McCain had so much fun crushing the Tangerine Cacadoodle’s hopes that he’s trying to set up one more vote. so he can give it another thumbs down. That ain’t likely, I know, but otherwise it would mean that John McCain has actually rethought his vote, Not only decide he chose wrong, but chose wrong enough to spend considerable of his possibly dwindling time on earth attempting to recall that vote,

    If the latter is true, by law, there is no comment I can honestly make. Because if I were to release my true sentiments about that on this — or indeed, any other — forum, it would harelip everybody on Bear Creek.*

    * That’s US Atomic Energy Commission terminology.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      for…*a drunkards dream if i ever did see one?

  • DonaldDGasaway

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  • SeeTrain65

    BTW, John … we’re all still watching the show, you prick.

  • MOG253

    The House is like a grimy, smelly hallway in an old Middle school. And that’s how they act.

  • Lefty Wright

    This will not die until we get a Republican out of the White House or a sizeable majority in one house of congress. And that will not fix the ACA and Medicaid, it will just stall any attempts to destroy them.

  • Cornelius Fussbudget

    Looks like he’s tempered these statements, calling once again for regular order:

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/7/1696726/-McCain-walks-back-his-support-for-Obamacare-repeal

  • Regret

    2 things.

    1. I am fucking sick of American politics.
    No offense meant to the lovely people of Wonkette, you cover it as well as can be done.
    Only a slight offense meant to Americans with voting rights, you know what you did.

    2. Why did you have to read Catch-22 again Dok? Now I want to reread it too!
    Edit: Pfew! I thought I lost a book. For a second there, I couldn’t find it. For some reason it was not on my Special Shelf.

    • BeachLoafer

      I no longer attempt to have a “Special Shelf” because

      1. Mrs BeachLoafer is positively ruthless about donating old books to organizations that get them into the hands of people who might actually read them again.

      2. Aside from “The Federalist Papers”, which should only be read in physical book form with complete footnotes and literally inhabits my bedside nightstand, I am a complete convert to e-books coupled with a device that remembers where I was in the book when I fell asleep.

  • Begin Anew Day

    “…before you actually freak out and go looking for a General Electric M134 minigun and some belts of votes with which to face the zombie hordes…”

    I mean no disrespect to Dok Zoom but I reach for something entirely different when I freak out.

    First I discard all my clothes.

    Second I put on combat sandals, iron helmet and the loin cloth made of the tanned hide of the bull whose neck I snapped when I turned 16 in a male bonding ceremony that I barely remember. (Old School Rules!)

    Third I grasp the unbreakable iron handle of my trusted double headed battle axe which I forged in my fathers blacksmith shop back in the hills of the frozen north.

    And only then do I freak the fuck out!

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