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In 2011, the Obama administration issued a directive to schools across the nation, regarding the enforcement of Title IX, with regard to campus sexual assault. That directive was to “respond promptly and effectively to sexual violence against students” or risk losing federal funding. Some people, specifically men’s rights activists and groups that advocate for those who say they were falsely accused of sexual assault, were very upset about this.

The directive was part of a “Dear Colleague” letter to school leaders, and issued guidance and clarification on how to deal with sexual assault accusations. Because it did not actually create any new policies, it did not go through a process called “notice and comment” in which the public may ask questions about the directive before it is made official.

Betsy DeVos, Secretary of Education And Also Bears, is expected to make a statement about this letter and other Title IX policy changes on Thursday at George Mason University. Reportedly, she will be reversing it until it goes through a “notice and comment” process. DeVos had said she planned to do as much this past July after meeting with both sexual assault advocates and men’s rights activists.

According to Buzzfeed:

“That would give the public the chance to submit comments to the department about the rules — in this case, how schools handle sexual assault cases — and let the department respond to their comments. It’s a slow process that gives proponents of the 2011 directive a chance to argue for keeping the rules in place, but ultimately, the department has the final say over the future of the regulations.

Advocates for sexual assault survivors have applauded the “Dear Colleague” letter, as well as the Obama administration taking campus sexual assault seriously and holding schools to standards that have existed for nearly 45 years at this point but were not being enforced.

However, the men’s rights activists opposed to this have said that part of the directive, which said that only a “preponderance of evidence” — rather than “clear and convincing evidence” — was needed to determine that a sexual assault had occurred, meant that schools were more likely to take the side of the accuser rather than the accused for fear of losing their federal funding. They claim this is a new policy. Sexual assault survivor advocates have, however, noted that the “preponderance of evidence” standard existed prior to the “Dear Colleague” letter being issued.

The reason the “preponderance of evidence” standard is necessary is because sexual assault is, quite frankly, not always a particularly easy thing to prove. A school, not being the actual government, does not have to prove that someone is guilty “beyond a reasonable doubt” because they are not putting anyone in jail.

While false accusations do happen, they are incredibly rare.

It is natural to fear being falsely accused of a crime you didn’t commit. It’s one of most people’s worst nightmares, and frankly, it’s why I oppose the death penalty. Because it *does* happen. It’s also why “Making A Murderer” was so popular. But it just does not happen quite in the way that these advocates for the falsely accused or MRAs say it does.

The way they describe it, it is incredibly common for women to simply “regret” having had sex with a man, or to be mad about him not having called her the next day, and to then falsely accuse him of rape, even though the sex was consensual. This scenario plays into every male fear of rejection and every fantasy of female vindictiveness. The fear is less about being “falsely accused” and more about finding out that someone did not actually want to have sex with them. This is part of the reason why they get so upset over the idea of “affirmative consent” — because if someone doesn’t want to have sex with them, they don’t actually want to have to know about it. They don’t want to give the woman a chance to say “OH, shit, wait — actually you are disgusting and no, I do not want to have sex with you,” because she just might.

Men are more afraid of being falsely accused of rape then they are of stealing wallets, because deep down they are afraid they might have actually had sex with a woman who wasn’t consenting, or can see how they would. They fear that a woman would wake up the next morning and go “Oh god, what was I thinking?” and regret having had sex with them so deeply that she would go and report it as a rape.

But men’s secret fears of their own repulsiveness can’t dictate how sexual assault is handled on campus.

Those who, for perhaps more nefarious reasons, want to make things more difficult for sexual assault survivors on campus cynically play into these fears in order to gain support. By opening this statute up to comment, by possibly overturning it, DeVos will be making it harder for sexual assault survivors to see any action from their schools outside of “Oh, well! It’s a he-said she-said thing!” And that sucks, because it’s hard enough as it is without that bullshit.

[Buzzfeed | NBC]

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  • Indiepalin

    Betsy DeVos is pushing an initiative now to privatize the Dept. of Education and turn it into a private mercenary army.

    • schmannity

      Four is not the square root of nine. Drop and give me 50!

      • C4TWOMAN

        I think you’re mixing up Devos with Davros, who actually knows math…

  • BadKitty904

    Remember that this vicious harpy is the literal sister of Stormtrooper-for-Hire, Erik “Viceroy of Afghanistan” Prince, founder and owner of Blackwater…

    • C4TWOMAN

      Christ.

      • BadKitty904

        Just when you think that Republicans CAN’T become any more evil…

  • schmannity

    Won’t somebody think of the rapists?

    • BadKitty904

      Republicans do. With approval.

    • C4TWOMAN

      Won’t someone think of Therapists?

    • jesterpunk

      Some voters do and elect them to congress as Republicans.

  • C4TWOMAN


    The way they describe it, it is incredibly common for women to simply “regret” having had sex with a man, or to be mad about him not having called her the next day, and to then falsely accuse him of rape, even though the sex was consensual.

    Proof these bottom feeding wankers are all virgins. Literally NO ONE does this. It’s not even the motivation of tiny amount of disturbed women who actually make false accusations. In those cases it’s usually revenge. And not about “bad sex”.

    I can’t even.

  • Michael Smith

    As with the DACA termination, the GOP’s strategy is to attack Obama era policies not for their substance (which conservatives just happen to vehemently oppose), but out of a principled objection to procedural integrity.

    When Trump unilaterally directs executive departments to do something, he’s being a strong leader. When Obama comments on how his administration views an already-established policy, he was being a dictator.

    • C4TWOMAN

      Well duh…he’s an uppity blah….

    • JMP

      That is a part of it, but remember that Trump’s base of neo-Nazis has a very large crossover with the MRA pro-rape activists, to the point where the two groups now pretty much have a single circle for a Venn diagram.

      • Michael Smith

        Oh yes, I think the true motive is to throw an ideological bone to the MRA / Neo Nazis, but that, as with DACA, the administration tries to use a procedural objection to provide cover for those supporters not yet comfortable with really looking in the mirror.

  • CripesAmighty

    “2017 Frat Party Protection Act”.

  • VirginiaWackelpudding

    Why is this critter still in a position of power? Where are the bears with arms when we need them? WE NEED YOU ARMED BEARS!!

    • GoutMachine

      I heard I had that right.

  • GoutMachine

    Good gawd, I really wish these whiney snowflake MRA twats would just STFU already. Stop demeaning women and stop making us normal guys look like asshats by gender association.

    Fuck RIGHT off.

  • Michael R
    • GoutMachine

      Yowza.

    • Michael Smith

      Damn.

    • grindstone

      Damn, I’ve been there.

    • JoeChristmas

      Hope that doesn’t happen to Mango Largo…with votes.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Oh, my gawd, I hope whoever was filming that is safe!

  • JMP

    Won’t somebody please think of those poor persecuted rapists, and the minuscule chance that they might actually actually have to pay some extremely minor penalty for committing rape?

  • bookish

    http://nbcnews.to/2wHR5cx

    WASHINGTON — Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, a conservative firebrand with a history of making incendiary remarks about immigrants and culture, said Wednesday that President Donald Trump’s decision to wind down DACA will give undocumented immigrants a choice to either “live in the shadows” or face deportation.

    “They came here to live in the shadows and we’re not denying them that opportunity to live in the shadows,” King told NBC News when asked about where immigrants would go after their authorizations under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program expire.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      So he’s totes cool with a permanent underclass that works for shit wages and in dangerous condition under constant fear that if they complain about either La Migra will be called to scoop them up.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        That happens to be the American Chamber of Commerce’s position as well.

      • grindstone

        Preeetttty sure that’s their plan.

        • Yep, although I imagine Rubio and the rest of the “Oh, what a pity we can’t do anything. No, we can’t. Ignore what the law says. Can’t do nothing about it” gang will be pretty pissed at him for letting the cat out of the bag.

    • therblig

      i guess someone who lives under a rock would know.

    • jesterpunk
    • elviouslyqueer

      Steve King clearly did not get enough love in his childhood.

      Pffft, I kid. It’s not like amoebic dysentery has the capacity or sentience for love.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Go back in the closet where lower orders belong. Charming.

      And I love the side-stepping neutrality words NBC uses: “firebrand,” “incendiary remarks”. Just add “controversial” and “lightning rod” and you’ve got Bingo.

      • elviouslyqueer

        Only because words like “complete asshole,” “gold medalist in the People Who Need to Go Fuck Themselves Olympics,” and “batshit insane motherfucker” were too obvious for NBC to use.

        • Persistent Demme

          LOL!

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      “They came here to live in the shadows…”

      They came here to stay with their parents. But that kind of fidelity is alien to Republicans. If only they valued families.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Subhuman shitpile opens face-anus and says what now? Fuck that guy.

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      Right, “live in the shadows”. That’s why they got Social Security Numbers and paid taxes.

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    OT: Trump just negotiated with Dem leadership against McConnell and Ryan for debt limit and DACA, among others — lololol

    • Daniel

      SO. TIRED. OF. WINNING.

    • Vincent Ricola

      Really? Because I will turn off my cartoons to watch CNN if this is true.

      • Daniel

        Yup. Trump has pissed off all of the Republicans, including but not limited to the Freedom Caucus, because he’s either counting on them all having memories as short as his, or because he’d already forgotten they don’t.

        • Vincent Ricola

          LOLOL GOOODY!

      • IdRatherBeDancing

        Oh i thought THIS was the Looney Tunes

    • Raan

      Was he laughed out of the room?

  • Wolf Tracker

    OT but too damn funny to not post.

    Woman On Tinder Date Gets Stuck In Window Trying To Retrieve Her Own Poop

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/liam-smyth-toilet-date-tinder_us_59aefdeee4b0b5e53101a36b

    • GoutMachine

      Now that’s love.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      This made me LOL so hard that I had to take a dump.

      Luckily, my toilet works.

    • janecita

      Poor woman.

    • Vincent Ricola

      Wow. Props to this lady for admitting it. I can’t say for sure that I would have that same level of honesty.

      • Wolf Tracker

        She’s a keeper!

      • janecita

        I wouldn’t have pooped in his bathroom to begin with. I would have left early.

      • The Wanderer

        What? Admitting to using Tinder?

  • janecita

    You have to give it to the administration, they are turning our country into a shit hole in record time! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b39f7c32b89664e9a038226bcd8662982104afa9ae2ffc3462c3aaf720248fb3.gif

    • BadKitty904

      And will keep it up as long as WE let them.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Kitty will have to speak for me (again):

    http://i.imgur.com/vdLE8dJ.gif

    • Suttree

      A friend of mine told me a story about his girlfriend’s cat biting his dick. That’s it. The story ends there. I never wished it on anyone.

      • C4TWOMAN

        I knew a gay guy with exactly the same story–his cat hated his boyfriend…you know the rest.

        • Suttree

          I have a rule that if cats don’t like you, you need to get the fuck away from me.

          • C4TWOMAN

            I have the same rule. I could have saved myself a ton of trouble from a fake friend grifter if I’d just listened to my cat…he did not like her and would never come near her. I thought he was just being shy, because he did take time to warm to people. But I never saw him give anyone else that “the fuck you want, bitch?” stare.

          • Suttree

            The kitties may be crazy, but they know who is good and who is evil. And not the good basement cat kind of evil. :)

          • george lastrapes

            Cats know the news of the day upsets you, and they want to protect you. That’s why they will flop on the newspaper when you’re trying to read it.

  • mardam422

    If I had a nickel for every woman who didn’t want to have sex with me….

    • Jeffocaster in the West

      “the tax burden alone would have me calling taxrelief.com to get help. Good thing it is funny money, like bitcoin.”

    • janecita
      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        OT, but what is that from? Because they need to sue the Joker for copyright infringement.

        • Daniel

          The Man Who Laughs.

          Joker was based on this character, who was played by Conrad Veidt- Major Strasser in Casablanca.

        • janecita

          No idea, my sister sent it to me as a joke a while back.

      • mardam422

        It’s you, isn’t it? You’re the one?

        • janecita

          I might be;-)

  • Baconzgood

    Like really….WTF? Is this REALLY the philosophy or the hard right? “If liberals like it we must hate it”?

    Honestly, Bamz could have brought world peace and the tea party would have said “look, he made millions in the military and arms industry unemployed”

    How is sexual assault on campus….NO any where…I cant… believ…..what’s the point of less protection for women on camp…

    Ahh Fuck it. Any woman that got hurt by a college frat boy…here is baconz shoulder. This just makes me mad. Let’s have a box of wine…platonic like

    • JMP

      The point is that less protection makes it easier for men to get away with sexual assault, that’s the goal of both the MRA hate movement and Mr. “Grab-em-by-the-pussy”.

      • Baconzgood

        Well as a man I have to take (and have in the past) take control of this situation. Baconz has been to NRA marches and Cranberries concerts. Women deserve respect love and kindness. Sure it’s nice to have “fun” times.. talk dirty, have safe words etcetera. But even in love play there is always respect.

        Girls are our mothers, sisters, daughters, aunts, nieces. Our WIVES!

        R-E-S-P-E-C-T is what they deserve….who else can make sammiches as good?

        • Shanzgood

          Pft! You didn’t go to pick up chicks, you went with your girlfriend!

          • Baconzgood

            Well yeah…but there were a lot of chick’s there. Some even had Powder Puff Girls tee shirts on.

          • Shanzgood

            So?

          • Baconzgood

            I still didn’t get lucky

      • C4TWOMAN

        The irony is most of these alleged MRA/PUAs can barely/rarely meet anyone/date so they’re not even advancing an agenda they benefit from.

    • grindstone

      It’s been said, if Obama cured cancer, the right would scream that he destroyed the pharma industry.

      • 🛶🗣️ Mr Canoehead 🛶🗣️

        Or the classic: if Obama walked on water, the Fox headline would be “Obama Can’t Swim”.

    • h4rr4r

      He needs to tweet about how important breathing is, and that no one should be drinking more than two liters of vodka per day.

      • Baconzgood

        Woah Woah Woah. Let’s not get crazy here about the vodka. Vodka isn’t the problem…in fact let’s leave 2 liters a day of Vodka out of this.

        • Suttree

          My pancreas just punched me for remembering those days.

          • Baconzgood

            Your pancreas and my liver should Facebook each other.

        • h4rr4r

          So no more than 4 liters per day?

          • Baconzgood

            To function. These are the Trump years.

      • theblackdog

        That would make Russia way too happy. How about tequila and claiming that it will somehow make the Mexicans sad if we’re drinking all of it.

  • JMP

    What I can’t believe is how much the MRA cretins, while whining about the imaginary scourge of false rape accusations, always claim that such an accusation will ruin a man’s life, like they have no idea how actual rapists are treated by society – the worst that one gets is a slap on the wrist, except in the rare case where someone assaults a stranger on the street, particularly if it’s a minority accused of raping a white woman. Date rape, though? That never gets the severe punishment that the pro-rape activist liars claim it does.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      These are also the men who I recommend donating to the Innocence Project. You know, the organization that actually get people wrongly convicted of rape out of jail. To date these MRAs have donated $0 to the cause, but have provided weeks of internet whining.

      Then again most of the men freed are minorities.

      • JMP

        Just as none of them have ever donated to organizations that help men who are victims of domestic violence, despite their constant throwing out of “well some men are abused by women!” as if it were a trump card.

    • grindstone

      Date rape? Ha, it is to laugh…..that’s ALWAYS the girl’s fault, for getting yourself into that situation.

      • JMP

        Did that woman have an alcoholic drink that evening? Was she wearing a short skirt? Did she walk on the public sidewalks by herself? Then she must have been asking for it!

        • theblackdog

          She left her house/apartment by herself, therefore she is utterly at fault!

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      My guess is that a false rape accusation is something they’ll never experience, since they’re unlikely to have any sex at all with living female partners.

  • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

    Part of the problem is the privacy laws that protect both students. The responsible party can whine all they want about “injustice”, but on examination it is usually found out that they are getting off very lightly.

  • Baconzgood

    I don’t use the word cunt often, out side of dirty talk while making love, but….

    • Alan

      We’ll just pretend you’re Scottish for the day.

      • Daniel

        Hey! We use it south of the border too!

        • Alan

          As you should.

    • janecita
      • BadKitty904

        Thank you.

        • janecita

          It’s an awesome gif:-)

          • BadKitty904

            And so useful!

          • Baconzgood

            Yeah that’s going into my wonkette back pocket.

    • C4TWOMAN

      It’s one of those street fighting words I usually reserve for troublesome sexist males. They don’t know what hit them.

  • elviouslyqueer

    There’s not a smidgen of compassion or actual soul behind her eyes. Not to mention any hint of fashion sense in those tacky Foster Grant knockoffs she’s wearing.

    • JoeChristmas

      Warpy Barkers?

    • BadKitty904

      A vicious, venal, amoral monster. Just like the rest of the current Administration.

  • Daniel
    • Rebel Scum with permit

      He is weak, indecisive, and influenced by the person who spoke with him last. I’ve done a lot of reading on medieval British history. The Plantagenets had a way of dealing with weak kings- see Edward II, Richard II, and Henry IV. As much as he loves strong men, Trump is lucky we have a constitutional government.

      • Daniel

        Do you go with the starving or anal-stabbing scenario for the death of Edward II?

        • Rebel Scum with permit

          The anal sex-red hot poker scenario didn’t show up until several year after his death, and was promulgated by monks, who for some reason were fascinated with buttsechs.
          Nobody really knows. There are rumors that he also survived and quietly lived out his life in Italy. For a fascinating blog on all things Edward, start here:
          http://edwardthesecond.blogspot.com/2006/09/edward-iis-death-part-one.html

          • C4TWOMAN

            Interesting. Either is possible, but the post mortem homosexual smear campaign has a ring of truth to it.

      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        “weak, indecisive … ”

        Feckless. FECKLESS. FECKLESS!!!

        • HogeyeGrex

          Zero fecks.

  • Lizzietish81

    Isn’t it weird how we keep hearing about how men simply cannot control themselves when presented with a pair of boobies and so women must be restricted as opposed to the men who have no say over their own dongs?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeMeDihwyrg

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Didn’t it used to be “I have boobs, you must obey”? I get the trite sexism phrases so mixed up.

      • Alan

        No, that was vagina, not boobs.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      In the presence of boobies, I can control myself and my dong. My eyes, however, have a mind of their own.

      • C4TWOMAN

        If they’re large enough, knockers can even distract straight women and gay men. They’re not appealing—just distracting.

        • SpideySenser

          That…and I find enormous In-your-face cleavage as appealing as some guy who belts his pants below his ass for that plumber crack look. So annoying.

      • george lastrapes

        My mind has a mind of its own.

    • BearGHAZI

      As an expert on boobies (just finished watching Showgirls with Liz Berkley) I have no comment

      • Skeptical_thinker

        You watched that and lived?

        • BearGHAZI

          It aged me like 2 years in an evening but I’m still here

        • SeeTrain65

          I never realized just how important a story is to a film until I watched Basic Instinct and Showgirls.

          I also realized just how fucking awful a writer Joe Eszterhas is.

      • Persistent Demme

        OMG!
        You poor thing!
        (Showgirls is not even bad in a fun way. It’s just bad!)

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    “Make America Grab Pussy Again!” didn’t fit on the hat.

  • Crystalclear12

    Will no one think of the future overcrowding problems in hell?!
    This bitch and her family are going to take up a whole wing!

    • therblig

      how soon can they move in? i’ll kick in for the security deposit.

      • C4TWOMAN

        In Hell all your security deposit belong to us.

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    I have, in my life, become friends with several women who have confided to me that they were sexually assaulted or raped. In that same time period, I have become aware of one, and only one, false rape accusation. And that was because the girl unexpectedly became pregnant and, terrified of her militantly fundamentalist father, accused her boyfriend of rape to mollify him and protect herself.

    So even in the instance where there was a false rape accusation, a man was largely behind it. It’s all so very typically male, that the bulk of conversation revolves around the possibility of the second story rather than the certainty of the first, because the second might involve us.

    • C4TWOMAN

      Basically a false rape accusation is the act of someone who feels they have zero agency in their life. Not a excuse, just a fact.

  • BadKitty904
    • Antonin Dvorak

      A checker at my local Publix said some dude bought 35 gallons of water all at once. And when they helped him to his car, it was already filled with bottled water.

      • BadKitty904

        Perhaps he’s building a pool. Incorrectly.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        He’s going to set up a “Bottled Water: $95” stand after the hurricane.

        • BadKitty904

          That would be unwise in South Florida. Very unwise.

          • Antonin Dvorak

            We are up in the I-4 corridor, but yeah, not a smart move.

          • Bitter Scribe

            You mean he might get a little “I got your free market right here” response?

          • BadKitty904

            For starters.

  • Bitter Scribe

    While false accusations do happen, they are incredibly rare.

    I blame “Law & Order: SVU” for hyping them, which is one of the reasons I stopped watching that show. The rape accusation that turns out to be false is their go-to plot twist.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      I still watch. Though if Benson stopped saying “it’s going to be OK”, it would only be a half-hour show.

  • Anna Rompage

    I know why so many MRA activists are typically also very homophobic…

    Because they are afraid a gay man is going to treat them how the MRA movement views & treats women…

    This also goes why so many conservative white folks are scared of becoming a racial minority, because they fear they will be treated how they’ve been treating POC all this time…

    • BadKitty904

      I just assumed it was because they’re desperately repressing their own homosexual feelings…

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        Either/Or/Yes.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      They buy into the bullshit that oppressed people only know two positions: someone’s boot on their neck or their boot on someone else’s neck. The idea that there could be people who want to move forward with forgiveness and grace is one that never occurs to them, because they would want revenge.

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    Calling the cops and saying I was raped seems like a lot of work after just having used all that energy on bad sex. I just move on with my life. Bad sex happens sometimes, for a variety of reasons. No chemistry, someone’s nervous or tired, sometimes it just isn’t a good time for it, or the people involved are simply not compatible. That’s part of sex, and you have to be mature and secure enough to handle it with grace. If you can’t deal with that, or it crushes your ego to the point you begin to project your self-loathing onto others, you aren’t mature enough to have sex.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    I can’t figure out what’s wrong with Betsy Wetsy. She’s a female and not entirely unattractive, despite her politics, and I would bet decent money that she’s found herself in a situation or two where men’s unwanted attentions toward her verged on the frightening, if not worse, yet she sides with the MRAs whenever the option arises. What causes someone to do that? It’s as puzzling to me as why anyone would say there were good people in Nazi uniforms.
    Okay, maybe I figured it out a little.

    • BadKitty904

      She’s a greedy, soulless monster? Is this a trick question???

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        What does she get out of it, though? “Soulless,” yes; where does this fill her greed?

        • BadKitty904

          She’s busily selling off America’s public education system to Republican “campaign donors,” who will do “business” with companies she and her family own stock in.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      Stockholm syndrome.

    • BigCSouthside

      The answer to “what’s wrong with Betsy” is pretty simple.

      She is a greedy cunt AND a religious extremist

      Same reasons her brother thinks murdering Muslims is ok

    • phoenix00

      Also: Stepford Wife

  • CindyinEncinitas
    • Antonin Dvorak

      Thanks, Schumer!

    • BadKitty904

      Good.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      I suppose there’s a certain irony that insider Republicans can’t turn to the “unbiased” press (i.e. Fox, Breitbart) to air their grievances, since they know that they won’t publicize it and turn in the leaker on top of it.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      “Schumer has inserted himself into discussions”??? Are we speaking of Chuck Schumer, who is a MEMBER OF CONGRESS? Because it seems to me that as a member of congress, he (and every other Democrat) has a right to take part in discussions. Call me crazy . . . .

      • PubOption

        But, but, Hastert Rule.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      Keep fucking that chicken, Trump!

      Oh and thank you Wonkette for teaching me this proverbial wisdom. I use it a lot in my daily interaction with people.

  • James Baskin

    Don’t want to get accused of rape? Don’t have sex!!

    • …..without consent from a willing and conscious partner. You left that part out.

    • JMP

      Actually, just don’t force anyone to have sex with you against their will; then you will never, ever get accused of rape.

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        Exactly! Because rape IS NOT SEX. There is no such thing as consensual sex. There is sex and there is rape.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Pfft, that thinking is for sloots who have sex, not the totally ordinary guys who have sex.

    • Iam Reading

      Sex does not equal rape. Rape does not equal sex.

      If you think rape and sex are the same then you are doing sex wrong, very wrong

  • Scooby

    She thinks campus rape is a form of sex-ed.

    • Spurning Beer

      That’s a challenging aspect of home schooling.

  • Somehow I’ve managed to live 43 years without being accused of rape or sexual assault. So tips to my fellow men:

    1. Having sex after a couple of drinks is okay if you’re both functional and mildly buzzed. She can still tell you to knock that shit off. But if a girl is black out drunk, don’t have sex with her. She can’t consent. Do make sure her friends are aware of her condition and maybe call them an Uber and make sure she gets home safely.
    2. Obviously, don’t use drugs on a woman to make her more pliant for sex.
    3. If a woman tells you to stop or moves your hand away from her body, then stop, and apologize for making her uncomfortable or doing something inappropriate.
    4. Wearing sexy clothes are not an invitation for sex.
    5. You can tell if a woman is really into you and the idea of boning you now, at least in my experience, because she’s on top of you, taking your pants off. Old Man Shadow calls this type of woman a “keeper” and married her.
    6. If there’s doubt in your mind, maybe ask the woman if she wants to have sex.
    7. Don’t be a douchebag.
    8. Don’t think years of friendship entitle you to her body. For that matter, don’t get bitter about how she only dates jerks and nice guys can’t get laid. They can and they do. Move on and maybe try a dating app or website. Don’t get all whiny and join an MRA message board.
    9. Become an interesting human being. Write. Volunteer. Run. Ride the local bike trails. Rescue puppies or kittens. Learn to play an instrument. Sing. Travel. Learn to make cocktails. Take cooking classes. Learn another language… hell, I suppose you could learn Klingon or Dothraki… some women are into that.

    • SisterArtemis

      Mrs Shadow indeed spotted a keeper. I especially like #9.

    • KnaveOfSwords
    • Carpe Vagenda

      Mrs. Shadow is a lucky lady. As, since you chose her, are you, I’m sure.

    • Parakeetist

      Yes! Amen.

  • Carpe Vagenda
    • BadKitty904

      Anything to make himself appear relevant.

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        Its for his Forever Friend, Lindsay.

        • BadKitty904

          Or, as McCain would say, “That faggot…

    • Wolf Tracker

      I will wait to see the new bill before passing judgement. The only way we are going to get Universal health care is for states to do it and by block granting the money back to stats then CA and NY could set up their own universal health care coverage and more states would join in once it is proven to work.

      It depends on how they are appropriating Medicaid and should be based on population and inflation.

      • Persistent Demme

        I think that it will happen just as you say.
        It will happen on a state-wide basis.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        I think any plan which relies on politicians to show moral courage is a bad plan.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      “If it’s not through regular order than it’s a mistake, but it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t vote for it,”

      Republican scruples in a nutshell. They vote for it anyway but pause to make sure we know that they’re concerned, appalled, and disappointed. They’re hypocritical, unscrupulous, and opportunistic, but don’t accuse them of not having feelings

    • SeeTrain65

      I KNEW IT. I JUST FUCKING KNEW IT. (From my Facebook page)

      I can hope John McCain beats his fight with cancer and tell him his vote on allowing the vote on repealing the ACA was the most cowardly act he’s ever committed in Congress in the same breath.

      I can have those two thoughts at once.

      EDITED after final vote: “Watch The Show.” Your final vote aside, you’re still a mendacious creep. I respect Senators Collins and Murkowski more for their stands than your grandstanding at the end.

  • Daniel Hooper

    Alright; this is gonna be a longer reply.

    1. DeVos had said she planned to do as much this past July after meeting with both sexual assault advocates and men’s rights activists…

    I assume you mean advocates for the victims of sexual assault and not advocates FOR sexual assault, but given the way this administration is going…

    2. I do think that some men are incredibly afraid of false accusations simply because it’s the closest most can imagine themselves to being a victim of sexual assault. Man are rarely rape victims to women sexual assaulters, so being falsely accused of rape really is the worst thing they can imagine happening to them.

    3. For some people, it’s just not going to matter how often you tell them false rape accusations happen; they HAVE happened, and the consequences of them when they do are pretty awful. Facts like how said claims are infinitely smaller than real sexual assaults and how false accusations really only get to be a problem when the claims are poorly handled just aren’t going to get through. They’ll think they’re the exception to the rule.

    • Wolf Tracker

      I agree. I also expect you will catch some flak for that on here so I will grab popcorn.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
  • Lizzietish81
    • Nockular cavity

      Wow.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      TMZ has some video of it – it looks pretty damning. Bennett is a very vocal critic of police treatment of African-Americans (ESPN did a very nice longform piece on him yesterday about his activism), so he’s not going to let this lie or accept some mealy-mouthed “apology” from Las Vegas Metro.

  • jesterpunk

    OT, go away Bernie. You and your “revolution” share some of the blame but you dont want to take responsibility for anything.

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/905473702162247680

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      I sincerely hope he is not the path forward in 2020

      • jesterpunk

        They are pushing for him to run again in 2020 and letting him pick party leaders on the unity council. But I really hope he doesnt run in 2020 too.

        • Persistent Demme

          “Unity council.”
          Riiiiight.

          • jesterpunk

            The group that cries over fucking donuts and bottled water.

    • Wolf Tracker

      ““I’m working overtime now to see we overturn Trump’s decision on DACA, pass a $15-an-hour minimum wage, and next week I’ll be offering a Medicare-for-all single-payer system,” he said.

      Sanders said he wants to focus on the legislative challenges at hand and not debate who is to blame for President Trump’s stunning electoral upset of Clinton, the Democratic nominee, in November.

      “Our job is to go forward,” he said.”

      Bernie is right and he is still working for the right goals.

      • jesterpunk

        A free pony for everyone? He has no actual plans just buzzwords.

      • IdRatherBeDancing

        Meanwhile Pelosi and Schumer do the heavy lifting and negotiate with the WH, while Sanders speaks platitudes.

        • Wolf Tracker

          Pelosi and Schumer are the leaders of house and senate Dems so of course they are the ones meeting with the president.

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            Yes because they are Dems (not Bernie) and have accomplished something while in Congress (not Bernie).

        • Persistent Demme

          THIS.

        • Dudleydidwrong

          We need dreamers like Sanders because they can push for things that can be considered. But we can’t build policies and processes on those dreamers because politics is still the art of doing the possible. Patience is in short supply today and I won’t see a woman president in my remaining lifetime, nor will I see free college and single-payer health care. You will. Not directly because of the dreamers but because of the people who slog it out in the trenches.

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        Part of Clinton’s critique was that his plans are usually “What the Dems want, +1”, without any real way to make it reality. Which serves to underline both the fact that he isn’t a Democrat, and that his values signalling is largely reactive noise.

        I’m sorry, but I’ve very much soured on his shtick since last year.

        • jesterpunk
          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            That’s the one.

          • Lance Thrustwell

            I know Hillary didn’t write that, but I still think it’s hilarious she included it. Good for her.

        • Wolf Tracker

          You always ask for more than you want on any deal. If you start by saying it is unachievable you have already given up and the Reps win at that game.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            That would work if it were part of an overall strategy. But he doesn’t do it to move the goalposts, he does it to signal that his plan is better-er and pure-er than yours is.

          • Wolf Tracker

            His goals resonated with a whole lot of people that are tired of settling for GOP lite.

          • jesterpunk

            Giving everyone a pony does sound great, why do you hate ponies? But coming up with an actual plan on how to get everyone a pony isnt so easy and its not something he does.

          • Wolf Tracker

            I hear that same argument on Breitbart.

          • jesterpunk

            A broken clock can be right sometimes…

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            Serious question – had Bernie won the nomination and been elected POTUS, how much chance do you suppose he would have had to move his legislative agenda through the Congress? THIS Congress? Bernie talks a big game, which is easy for him. Talk is cheap. But he does NOT appear to have any grasp of the practical realities of actually governing. Of reconciling disparate positions and building a consensus. Until such time as Bernie actually finds himself in a position with actual responsibilities, and proves that he can live up to those responsibilities and work with others to create real change, what he says is effectively meaningless. He’s just an aging, querulous windbag as far as I’m concerned.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            He would have had far less of a chance than Hillary did, and she had slim to none.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Probably as much as Clinton would have and maybe more.

            Unlike Clinton’s supporters Bernie had a very young and internet savvy group of supporters willing to hit the streets and knock on doors and harass congress to get what they want.

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            LMAO. Ageist much, asshole. Most of them couldn’t put the bong down long enough to vote.

          • SisterArtemis

            That’s bullshit. Clinton’s supporters (and Bernie’s, for that matter) are made up of a wide range of ages and internet savvyness and other things. I would guess you haven’t spent much time on Pantsuit Nation.

          • jesterpunk

            He couldn’t, he was too busy stealing Viking beards and eyebrows.

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            Oh, come on! You think that would have worked with THIS Congress? Frankly, you seem to be pretty bright person for the most part, but that is simply astonishingly naïve.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Cupcake, Bernie had NO chance of getting a thing on his wish list passed – and his Daily News interview showed he didn’t even have a plan to accomplish his goals.

            For all you folks hate her, even you guys acknowledge that Clinton knows how to work the politics and bargain and compromise to achieve an end, which is what politics is actually all about. Sadly, that’s something that the Sainted Bernard signally fails to do on a regular basis, and he wouldn’t have passed so much as a post-office name change once in office…if he even got there, which, judging by the eagerness of even the most extreme RW media outlet to talk him up and support his candidacy (clearly salivating to face him in the general) and the two-foot high stack of oppo research the GOP had on him, was unlikely.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            That’s fine, but sometimes part of the political process is recognizing that we’re dragging along a country that is still half in the dark age. GOP Lite is often the best we can achieve, instead of ending up with the Real Fuck You GOP version.

          • Wolf Tracker

            ” GOP Lite is often the best we can achieve”.

            It is that thinking that gives the GOP the advantage in close elections.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            It’s the reality of the situation. Our party doesn’t have the GOP’s lockstep mental conformity because that’s not how the Left works, has ever worked. We’re a diverse coalition with a lot of opinions to satisfy, which at the time of Obamacare’s passage included Joseph Lieberman, Max Baucus, and Blanche Lincoln.

            Want the Dems to pass more lefty stuff? Convince more people to vote Dem. The Dems are cautious because every major piece of liberal legislation they’ve passed in the last 50 years has ended up electorally fucking them in the ass. When that stops happening then we’ll talk.

          • Wolf Tracker

            OR Clinton adopted most of Bernie’s platform half way through the election but her record and voting made people nervous that it was just talk.

            You all say you want universal health care, higher wages, affordable/free college and social welfare programs but you are willing to settle for less and we need to stand together on those issues and have a candidate that won’t back down in a fight.

          • jesterpunk

            OR Clinton adopted most of Bernie’s platform half way through the election but her record and voting made people nervous that it was just talk.

            BULLFUCKINGSHIT. Name 1 thing that Hillary took from Bernie?

            Healthcare,education or job training?

            https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/18/1503463/-Hillary-Clinton-s-Impressive-Arkansas-Legacy

          • Wolf Tracker

            Hillary Clinton adopted these 4 policies from Bernie Sanders — will she stick to them?

            https://news.vice.com/article/hillary-clinton-adopted-these-4-policies-from-bernie-sanders-will-she-stick-to-them

            Hillary Clinton Embraces Ideas From Bernie Sanders’s College Tuition Plan

            https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-education.html?mcubz=3

          • jesterpunk

            So she borrowed Obama’s time machine to steal Bernie’s ideas when Bill was governor of Arkansas and President?

          • SisterArtemis

            Their ideas weren’t that different in the first place, Hillary has been advocating various policies for YEARS before she ran for office, those policies have adapted and changed as the party base has shifted it’s understanding of what works, and NO ONE OWNS THE FUCKING IDEAS.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Oh I disagree and she has a history of voting with the GOP including on the Iraq war and giving into mods on taxes and wages.

            That Iraq war vote had a major part in why she lost.

          • Persistent Demme

            I agree that mattered to a bunch of knee-jerk judging, uninformed people.

            I don’t want to litigate the war again, but as someone who lived in NY during 9/11, (Mr. Demme’s boss was killed at the World Trade Center while taking his place at a meeting), I can tell you that NY was baying for blood.
            Easy to say that she shouldn’t have voted that way, but she was our Senator, and the reality was that NY was not a hearts and flowers Bernie rally.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Knee jerking? War is a knee jerk decision now and people that have principles are minions to you.

            Have a great day!

          • jesterpunk

            Bernie supported removing Saddam.

          • Persistent Demme

            Well, I didn’t say that war is a knee-jerk decision, and you know it.
            (But don’t let me get in the way of your self righteous outrage.)

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            It’s funny how many people who excuse Bernie’s votes on gun issues with “yes, but he has to do what his state wants, regardless of his personal feelings” forget that Hillary was the senator from NY and NY wanted war.

          • Persistent Demme

            Amen.
            It’s SO easy and cheap to say she should not have voted for it.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            Oh, so then if Iraq was so horrible why did Bernie Sanders vote in favor of every single funding bill to keep troops there? Not one single protest vote against it, even when it still would have passed without his support.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Because he supports keeping the troops safe and alive and getting them back home when idiots get us in a war.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            So wait, nuance is okay for him? Hillary Clinton tried nuance and she was ridiculed for “flip-flopping”.

          • jesterpunk

            https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/14/1500932/-Bernie-s-Iraq-War-Hypocrisy-where-did-Bernie-really-stand-on-overthrowing-Saddam

            Okay, heck — Serbia? even I supported that somewhat. I mean it was a humanitarian crisis, right? But wait, what? Senator Sanders, you voted to authorize regime change in Iraq? This cannot be!

            More problematic for the Senator in Birkenstocks is the little-known fact that Bernie Sanders himself voted twice in support of regime change in Iraq. In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”

          • Manders

            Bernie has also voted with the GOP over the years.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            Politics is, and always has been, the art of the possible. FDR shot for the moon with the New Deal. He got his ass handed to him repeatedly by a conservative Supreme Court and the Democratic Party lost seats in Congress in 1938, then lost effective control when the Republicans and the Dixiecrats aligned to thwart his agenda.

          • Wolf Tracker

            The new deal was then picked up by Eisenhower a Republican that greatly expanded social programs including most of the ones we enjoy today.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            All of which we discussed during the primary, where Clinton triumphed because, and this bears repeating, the Democratic party is very large and is collectively larger than the Berniecrat wing. That is also where that conversation should have stopped, given the threat Donald Trump posed.

            An interesting underlying theme that I always seem to notice when we get into these discussions is that Clinton became the nominee, which Bernie’s supporters then didn’t vote for, who then said that Bernie would have won had he been nominated. The assumption being that Clinton’s supporters would have supported Bernie, in the way that his supporters did not vote for Clinton. Why is it that adult behavior was and is only expected of Clinton supporters?

          • Wolf Tracker

            ” Berniecrat wing.” I think you are under some impression that is a small wing of the party and it is probably more than half.

            I already explained why Clinton lost and it is up to the nominee to sell themselves and have credibility in their positions and she didn’t do that.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            The results of the primary would seem to belie that statement.

            And the same applies to Bernie. It was up to him to sell himself to the very party that he was trying to convince to nominate him for president (a far more sympathetic crowd than in the general). He failed.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Winning a nomination is not winning the people and if she did so well the general should have been a cake walk.

            We all see how that turned out and that was between her and Trump not Bernie.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            My point was that Bernie is unequivocally to the left of Clinton, and that he couldn’t even win in the party that represents the left in this country. A country whose instincts at the moment lean rightwards.

            And my overall point remains that to stake out positions that are politically unfeasible, and then castigate people on your own side for not being as pure as you are, isn’t so much actual electoral politics as values signalling. Which is normally forgivable (this is politics) but has actively harmed our electoral chances before, and may well again.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Apparently a lot of people including many independents that might have voted are to the left of Clinton and she didn’t win them over.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            An argument that is about as provable as how many angels dance on the head of a pin, or (for instance) how many centrist independents (of which there are far more than leftist indies) he would have lost in exchange. Especially when Fox News started a 24/7 blare-a-thon of Bernie’s remarks at an anti-American rally in Nicaragua.

            Again, the point is that activism in the Bernie stripe might feel emotionally good but is ultimately unhelpful. It just creates a greater groundswell of self-destructive recrimination when the Democrats inevitably fall short of those ideals because, again, it is a center-left coalition party that has a lot of patrons to satisfy. And a lot of people on the left need to be adult about this and accept it, as the rest of us have. Are we happy about it? No. But will we, directly or indirectly, help Donald Trump get elected out of spite? No. That is the difference here.

          • Wolf Tracker

            When Independents Can Vote, Bernie Sanders Wins

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-hanley/when-independents-can-vot_b_9834224.html

            Clinton lost the independent voters and thus the election.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            Oh for Pete’s sake, now you’re just being obtuse. One primary win in Indiana, of all places, does not a president make.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Independents were not allowed to vote Dem in the primary in many states.

            You do know that right?

            You don’t have a realistic argument for why Clinton lost and it is because she did not win over Independents and Liberals that she needed.

            That is a fact and to blame it on Bernie is ridiculous since he threw his support to her and campaigned for her and asked his supporters to vote for her.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            Because that’s how many primaries work. You don’t get full club privileges by walking in right before they vote for president.

            I have a realistic argument on why she lost. It was a complex series of factors that nearly no political campaign could have dealt with, including the FBI director throwing his finger on the scale a week before the election and an unprecedented effort by a hostile foreign country. Oh, and her primary opponent darkly hinting at corruption the whole way to the convention, after which he grudgingly and halfheartedly supported her while doing little to soothe the stab-in-the-back legend which remains current among many in the left to this day.

            And she still only lost by 80,000 votes, due to a quirk of the Electoral College, despite winning the popular by 3 million.

            Again, we don’t blame Sanders solely: he was a factor among several others. But he certainly didn’t help. And what *you* lack is a convincing argument on why Sanders should have just been given the nomination despite losing the delegates, superdelegates, and primary vote by greater margins than Clinton lost to Obama, where the same rules as 2016 applied. I’ll wait.

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            but but but those generic polls prior to the election showed St. Bernie beating Trump — eye fucking roll

          • puredog

            “to blame it on Bernie is ridiculous. . .” Er, no.

          • SisterArtemis

            As a life long Dem, I’m not in support of outsiders voting in our primaries. And you neglect to acknowledge the impact of gerrymandering on the electoral college, or the effect of the disinformation campaign coming from the GOP and presumably Russia. Clinton did have the support of many non-Dem party liberals and independents, more so after she secured the nomination. I think you are pointing at small factors, when bigger ones swung the election to Trump.

            Also, Bernie’s support was late, timid, and given at times grudgingly.

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            uh, news slash for you — She WON the popular vote — by a lot.

          • Wolf Tracker

            That’s nice but that was against Trump.

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            She won the primary vote by a similar 3 million vote margin … hmmmm; so, what’s your point? You keep decrying that she was a poor GE candidate — the raw total number refutes that. But then again, you Bernouts are really bad with math.

          • jesterpunk

            Did you forget Bernie Math?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS-K7OuLAc

          • Wolf Tracker

            Registered Independents voted in that primary did they?

          • Manders

            Why didn’t he run as an Independent then?

          • jesterpunk

            BERNIE ISNT A FUCKING DEMOCRAT. If he wants a say join the Democratic Party or Shut the fuck up and go away. He hasn’t accomplished anything and his “our revolution” group is doing more harm then good and they can fuck off too.

          • Wolf Tracker

            You have now gone personal so no need to continue the discussion.

          • jesterpunk

            “Our revolution” cries over fucking donuts.

            https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/our-revolution-has-a-problem-with-the-dictatorial-arrogant?utm_term=.caqrE09Aq#.fw8MzDA5K

            Also No where in my comment did I attack you personally.

          • puredog

            I had thought Spotts1701 was maybe a little hair-trigger in trollifying Wolf Tracker, but perhaps she was right. That “gone personal” shit was muy snowflakey.

          • jesterpunk

            They do that all the time when they get called out on their bullshit. Its either “personal attacks” or “the clique” or “everyone is entitled to opinions” or “you’re stalking me”.

          • SisterArtemis

            Could this possibly be one of Fukui’s bot experiments?

          • jesterpunk

            I doubt it, this seems like a mix of breitbart and Bernie bro bots.

          • Rags

            He is sufficiently relentless in his facile arguments.

          • SisterArtemis

            “He is sufficiently relentless in his facile arguments.”
            I must say, in my head that was voiced by Lady Violet.
            https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1227995559/violet_dowager_countess_of_grantham_downton_abbey_maggie_smith-thumb_400x400.jpeg

          • Rags

            I am most flattered, indeed.

          • Manders

            If it were more than half of the party, he would have won the primary.

          • Dudleydidwrong

            Yes we are willing to settle for less because we understand the role of compromise in this very divided and diverse nation. Lockstep Republicanism versus Big Tent Democratic politics makes for interesting times (and a wish for a parliamentary system) but those who espouse “all-or-nothing” political process usually end up with nothing.

          • Wolf Tracker

            “Yes we are willing to settle for less”

            Which is why you lose the independents and liberals.

            They are tired of GOP lite and people that settle.

          • jesterpunk

            So they want nothing done at all? You have to negotiate and settle for what you can get to pass anything in congress. Just saying “Universal Health Care” doesnt actually make it happen just like “Radical Islamic Terrorism” doesnt solve the middle east.

          • Everrett Fanuelli

            Clinton has every right to say what she wants about Bernie in her book. She’s not in office. Sounds more like Bernie is the one wanting to relitigate the past. He could have just said nothing if he wants to move forward.

          • Wolf Tracker

            She lost for many reasons and it wasn’t because of Bernie. Now she is dividing the party when we need to come together.

            He does not have to back down especially when he is right.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party. He wants to tell them what to do? Then he needs to sign up. Otherwise, he’s standing outside the tent pissing in.

          • Wolf Tracker

            He registered on the Dem ticket.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            And then he quit the second it was no longer convenient for him.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Seems to me he actually promotes the agenda Dems say they want but too scared to fight for.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            It seems to me that, just like the last time we tangled, you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. And I’m rapidly losing patience and temper.
            Done. Blocked. Go find a circle-jerk to join.

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            A credible case can easily be made that her loss was at least partly because of Bernie. Accepting responsibility for the consequences of one’s own actions is not something Bernie appears to be big on.

          • Wolf Tracker

            I don’t think you can make that case since Bernie threw his support to Clinton and campaigned for her and asked his supporters to vote for her.

          • jesterpunk

            While at the same time criticizing the Democratic Party.

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            Sure – two months too late. I still remember the “Beans for Bernie” jackasses AT THE CONVENTION. Perhaps you’ve forgotten that.

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            yes after his slash and burn campaign that made his support disingenuous

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            yes, Bernie watering the corruption tree, giving talking points to Trump, and running blatantly false ads suggesting that HRC, as SOS, accepting speaker fees well after it was mathematically impossible for him to secure the nomination (it was decided in March), while thundering “rigged elections” (sound familiar), never mind there was no truth, had nothing at all to do with her loss. Tell yourself that cupcake, even though it is demonstrably false.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Because Hillary never started slinging mud at Bernie first.

          • IdRatherBeDancing

            She didn’t actually.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Better go study that primary again friend.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            you just lost….everybody

          • jesterpunk
          • Wolf Tracker

            You would be a great spokesman for the GOP.

          • jesterpunk

            Why because i dont worship Saint Bernie? He has no actual plans for anything he promises just catchphrases that sound good to people who have no idea how government works.

          • Rex Thorne

            A lot of those people turned out to be so nuts that they helped make a madman President. The far-left is as bad as the far-right, but the nice thing about Democrats is that they marginalize the extremists, while irresponsible Republicans encourage them.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            Okay, name one actual accomplishment that Bernie Sanders has managed to achieve. Take, for example, his own bill on breaking up “too big to fail” banks.

            (a) IN GENERAL. — Notwithstanding any other provision of law, but not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary of the Treasury shall break up entities included on the Too Big To Fail List, so that their failure would no longer cause a catastrophic effect on the United States or global economy without a taxpayer bailout.

            (b) CONSULTATION WITH OTHER REGULATORS. — In carrying out the requirement of subsection (a), the Secretary of the Treasury shall consult with the primary financial regulatory agency of the entity to be broken up.

            This is a policy goal, not workable legislation – banks are too big! “How do we determine that?” Oh, we’ll let the Secretary of the Treasury figure it out!

            It’s blue sky grandstanding in the same way the GOP submitting a two page “Repeal Obamacare” bill is.

          • Wolf Tracker

            He has achieved many goals by pushing the Dems to stop being GOP lite and fighting for what the Liberals and most Democrats actually want.

            You don’t have to sponsor a bill to make bill pass.

            You all say you want universal health care, higher wages, affordable/free college and social welfare programs but you are willing to settle for less and we need to stand together on those issues and have a candidate that won’t back down in a fight.

          • jesterpunk

            You repeat yourself, but you also have no idea how government works. You dont pass shit by demanding something, it involves compromise with the different democratic groups and republicans to get anything passed in congress.Purity tests and stomping your feet dont do anything.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            If you’re going to do nothing but parrot talking points back, I’m going to ignore you.
            Bernie Sanders has been in Congress for 26 years. Name one major legislative accomplishment he has spearheaded in that time.

          • Wolf Tracker

            See ya and have a great day!

          • whitroth

            Worked with McCain to pass a bill to begin to try to fix the VA. The VFW, I think, gave him an award for that.

            Now you started this attack on Bernie, not us, we didn’t start attack Hillary about her bs.book.

            Yeah, it’s all Saunders’ fault; the fact that she’s an Eisenhower Republican (though I’ve heard it argued that he was more liberal than she is), while Bernie ran as an FDR Democrat had nothing to do with anything.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            You’re not worth it. Blocked.

          • whitroth

            Isn’t that cute. Do you think this is a mailing list, and not a blog? Only Wonkette can block me.

            And great response: I give factual evidence to disprove your assertion, and you have no comeback with EVIDENCE, so you say this.

          • Manders

            That’s nice, truly. That’s one thing in 26 years.

          • whitroth

            That’s not how this works. We did not start the attack on Bernie. YOU are asserting he’s done nothing. Where’s YOUR proof of this, other than your opinion? Where’s your factual, demonstrable evidence that you base this opinion on?

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            “but you are willing to settle for less”
            No, we are willing to have something (i.e. Obamacare) rather than nothing.

            ” we need to stand together on those issues”
            I hope that includes all the leftier than thous that took their ball and went home cause they couldn’t get everything they wanted last november.

      • Persistent Demme

        We wouldn’t have to worry so much about most of these “right goals” if he and his minions had not tried to constantly undermine Hillary’s credibility during the election.
        I don’t trust that he knows what is right.
        I don’t trust his judgement at all.

        • Wolf Tracker

          “Minions” people that are willing to fight for these goals and not accept GOP lite are minions?

          You all say you want universal health care, higher wages, affordable/free college and social welfare programs but you are willing to settle for less and we need to stand together on those issues and have a candidate that won’t back down in a fight.

          • Persistent Demme

            Is there a definition of “minions” I don’t know about?
            I was simply describing the not-Bernie people.

            I cannot speak for all of us, just for me.
            For example: when did I say everyone should have free college?
            I don’t think rich kids should get free college.

            Great.
            The “GOP lite” argle-bargle.
            Next you’ll be saying NEO-LIBERAL.
            *eyeroll*

          • Wolf Tracker

            Talk about argle bargle?

            “I cannot speak for all of us, just for me.”

            Which is what you did with your vote which I respect.

            Please respect other people for speaking for themselves that might disagree and are Democrats, Liberals and Independents.

      • spangled

        i mean, if he wants to go forward he didn’t have to respond?

        bernard is a sitting senator, he doesn’t get kudos for continuing to do his job. hillary is a private citizen, she’s allowed to talk all she wants about an important year in her life/career.

    • Jack

      TYT had a thing about how Obama jumped right in the middle of Hillary’s shit in the 2008 Election and Hillary never whined about that. Bernie talked about issues and not personalities but Hillary is whining about how she lost to a fucking fool! She lost in three states she didn’t even campaign in and she thinks Bernie fucked her over?

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        Oh FFS.

  • whitroth

    Perhaps Ms. DeVos can prevent all those future cases by offering her body in place of all the other women….

  • ManchuCandidate

    Don’t ask. Don’t tell. For women.

  • Spurning Beer

    Maybe Betsy has a point. I mean, she is a billionaire.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Betsy does indeed have a point. It’s right on top of her head.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    I was fully expecting that having this at George Mason University had some double secret evil meaning, but George was on the up and up. As a Founding Father and writer off the Bill o’ Rights, he wanted to include the abolition of the slave trade. Didn’t get it, of course.

  • quantum mechanic

    Can’t look at a photo of DeVos without being reminded of every documentary ever made about the ‘normal’ or ‘average’ people who enabled the holocaust. But then that seems to apply to most right wingers which is why I have turned to booze to get me through the day.

  • Bemused

    My solution to false accusation is that maybe those men should stay out of any private situations with women they don’t know or aren’t in a stable, long-term relationship with. After all, that’s their standard for how women should avoid being raped.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Mike Pence always has “Mother” there to chaperone.

    • whitroth

      Yeah, I mean, otherwise, the guys, I mean, “they’re asking for it”….

  • Lance Thrustwell

    This is very well put, Robyn. Very succinct, and very accurate and fair-minded, in my opinion. Thank you.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    Why are schools involved in investigating a crime? Never could understand that. That is a job for law enforcement and DA’s. All that self investigation shit is how these things got out of control. If there is a crime, report it. School administrators should keep their hands off.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Because something may not rise to the level of a criminal act, but still violates university policy?
      We do it all the time – law enforcement takes the lead in the investigation. They investigate, they say “nope, not enough evidence to take to trial”. They turn it over to us – we review for administrative violations and discipline accordingly.

  • Mavenmaven

    yes, but I’m sure DeVos is more about “why are women in college when they should be at home “.

  • spangled

    exactly what i’ve always been trying to say about campus rape, thank you robyn. really all the obama letter did was say, “hey this is an epidemic, and you need to take it seriously”.

    you may not be aware of it, but according to statistics, at least one woman you know has been raped. and those assaults are much more likely to have been committed by a friend of a friend at a party, rather than some masked assailant following women late at night.

    yet during my college orientation (at a very progressive school, only a few years ago), we got the spiel about not going out alone at night. NOT the spiel about what consent looks like, especially in regard to drinking.

  • susan_g

    There is a good article in today’s New York Times about how Betsy DeVos has wrecked the public schools of Michigan.

    Michigan Gambled on Charter Schools. Its Children Lost.
    By MARK BINELLI

  • natoslug

    I didn’t realize rape was part of making America great again.

    • mancityRed6

      tRump really did a bad job laying down his campaign platform.
      hell, he still hasn’t locked her up.

  • gratuitous

    Roses are red, corn cobs are shuckable
    Don’t blame the co-eds if you’re simply unfuckable.

    • george lastrapes

      Pigs are great fun, their shitpits quite wallerable.
      Don’t blame the pigs if they find you intolerable.

      A new poetic form has been born! The squatrain? the FUplet?

      • SisterArtemis

        “wallerable”…. *snerk*

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  • natoslug

    I, for one, am gobsmacked that this administration would be pro-rape. If only there had been some sort of hint during the campaign that they might support sexual assault, maybe we would have voted differently. Thanks, Hillary!

  • PubOption

    Are we not MRA’s?

    • Bananas Foster

      I am not, personally, a possession of an MRA.

    • SisterArtemis

      We are not, as far as I’ve been able to determine.

    • Jonny On Maui

      I am not a Meal Ready to Assemble…

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Modern Ranguage Association?

    • foreign agitator Captain Kraut

      I’d rather be Devo.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    I looked up some rape statistics yesterday, for reasons that I have now forgotten, and discovered that several surveys found that 6.5% of American men admitted to having raped a woman. Since there are approximately 102,000,000 males between the ages of 15 and 64 (2012 Census) that means that 6,630.000 American males might have committed rape at some point in their lives. Other studies found that approximately 1/3 of American males admit they would rape a woman if they thought they could get away with it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States
    http://www.davidlisak.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/RepeatRapeinUndetectedRapists.pdf
    https://www.binghamton.edu/counseling/documents/RAPE_FACT_SHEET1.pdf

  • William
    • Permit-holder Ron

      Too much nuance for MRAs and Republicans.

  • William
  • Zyxomma

    Robyn, I truly admire your ability to wade through all this MRA bullshit, and still be beautiful and strong and able to hold your head up.

    • Parakeetist

      Indeed.

  • Manders

    The DeVos segment on the most recent TAL was interesting. It managed to paint her sympathetically while also revealing some pretty damning thing (though none of them a surprise): that she showed up to mentor low-income students in suits worth thousands of dollars instead of jeans; that she had a driver wait for her instead of parking an expensive car in the lot; that she took both of the girls profiled in the story out of the public school and put them in private Christian schools, which the teachers from that public school found insulting.

    Ultimately, while she was very generous to her mentees and their families, it left me with two feelings: 1) grossed out with how enmeshed she made these people with her personally (she hired the mother of one girl working for her to run her laundry, and the girl herself was cleaning Betsy’s house, under such strict orders not to move anything that she had to photograph items before cleaning them so as to put them back in the right place); 2) wondering about all the families she didn’t help, and realizing that kind of charity just doesn’t scale.

    She might mean well, but her solutions are the solutions of a clueless rich white lady who spent five years volunteering as a mentor to a few kids and now thinks she’s some kind of expert in education. It’s notable that she calls her time as a volunteer “work”.

    • Resistance Fighter Puipui

      I don’t think she means well. I think she’s just an asshole.

    • almaalum

      And what she did was against the protocol of the program. They were to give time and attention to the students, not gifts. The whole thing is patronizing and makes me sick.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      Watching people consciously play Lady Bountiful makes me stabby.

  • kaydenpat

    So where is Ivanka, the Feminist Savior, in all this? I thought she was supposed to make sure that her Papa’s administration took care of women. Guess not.

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      Only if she can sell her “designer” shit.

  • The Librarian

    DeVos as a boss would make me right cross,
    Her spiel about rape makes it hard not to toss
    Her out on her ass along with her staff
    And get someone in who’d not make such a gaffe.

    • I Happened

      A little balance here is all it takes,
      Preventing ladies once scorned,from criminals they make,
      Thinking a roll in the sack is a commitment for life,
      Finding her phone number discarded, is more than she can take.

      • The Librarian

        Nope.

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        I think that I should never see,
        Victim-blaming so visibly.

        • I Happened

          Victims deserve their day in court,
          But not to punish for life’s retorts.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Victim-blamers never see,
            Just what dicks they’re determined to be

          • I Happened

            One must fair in the land of the free, Treat everyone equal is all you’re asking to see, If a crime is committed, let him swing from a tree, If Fake crime committed, then she swings, not he.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            The only way to be quite fair,
            Is to thoroughly investigate each crime.
            That won’t happen – as if you care,
            If victims fear that they’ll do time.

            Investigations, as I’m sure you know,
            Won’t happen If victims face suspicion.
            The only thing that will result,
            Is victims hiding in submission.

            You make it clear with every word,
            You do not understand the problem.
            No one disputes that malicious reports
            Should face punishment most solemn.

            But that is not the true problem,
            That lies about false reporting cause.
            The real problem is that those lies
            Cause true victims their reports to withdraw.

            So do forgive me if I’m blunt,
            But I am done with this crap, you see.
            When you’re just as concerned at false theft reports,
            That’s when I’ll take you seriously.

          • I Happened

            I’m not asking you to take me seriously, it’s you comparing fake rape to fake theft crimes that’s the distorted reality.

            A fake rape will get you from 5 years to 10, your life will be ruined for time in the pen. If true then the perp gets what he rightly deserves, if false, she gets warned police have better things to do.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Cupcake, you and your victim-blaming are so wide of the mark it’s ridiculous. And infuriating.

            Yes, it’s true that some people are unfairly convicted of rape. That is a terrible thing and no one supports it or thinks it should be ignored. There are initiatives and programs that are specifically devoted to overturning wrongful convictions. They’re not the issue here.

            The issue – that you are STUDIOUSLY ignoring or just refuse to comprehend – is that the determination of “false” is FAR TOO OFTEN made AT INTAKE, when the initial report is taken…before ANYONE is formally accused… before ANY investigation has taken place.

            That “false report” rate includes reports that were immediately dismissed because cops didn’t think they were “real” based on misinformed judgments regarding victim behavior and appearance, or the relationship between the victim and the perpetrator. It includes investigations that were halted because victim statements contained contradictions – which happens with people who undergo trauma – or victims stopped cooperating, typically because of being treated with suspicion and feeling like they were on trial.

            An estimated 70% of rape victims already do not report having been victims of a major felony PRECISELY because of victim-blaming like yours. Treating EVERY rape victim as inherently suspect IMMEDIATELY reduces the number of victims willing to report.

            We already subject rape victims to a far greater amount of skepticism than the victims of ANY OTHER CRIME. We do not refer to people as “alleged victims” of theft, even though the false-reporting rate for property theft is FAR HIGHER than that of rape. We do not treat the victims of bank robberies with skepticism when they make their initial statements, even though the false-reporting rate is approximately the SAME as for rape. We do both with rape victims…and we do it long before any trial has taken place.

            Your casting of this issue as being about convictions is grossly misinformed. Yes, there are wrongful convictions for rape…there are ALSO wrongful convictions for murder. In 2013, for example, a record 87 wrongful convictions were overturned – and among them were 40 murder convictions and 18 rape or sexual assault convictions. I would be willing to bet hard cash that you would claim that those 18 cases that were overturned were “false reports,” implying that no one was raped, rather than what they were, which is cases in which the wrong people were convicted of rapes that actually, really did happen.

            So again, I’ll say that if you were as exercised over the false-reporting rate of theft – which is FAR more prevalent – as you are about that of rape, you might have a point. I’ll add that if you were as upset by the hundreds of thousands of untested rape kits gathering dust in police evidence rooms across the country, you might be on to something, even if your concern was only for exonerating accused rapists. If you were as outraged at the thought of the hundreds of thousands, into the millions, of victims who never get justice, and the thousands of rapists who walk free every year as a result of victim-blaming and shaming victims as you are about your misinterpretation of the actual issues at play here, I might respect your opinion though it differs from my own.

            But you’re not. You’re just conflating reports and convictions to feed your need to feel all persecuted.

            And that’s why what you’re saying is horseshit.

          • I Happened

            Here is our failure to communicate:
            You keep trying to defend the person who WAS raped,
            I keep trying to prosecute the person who WASN’T

            BTW. Fake hate crimes ARE hate crimes, and the penalties should be the same.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            No, here is the problem – your false equivalence.

            I’m not “defending” the person who was raped. I’m demanding that rape victims be treated like any other victim of crime…that is to say believed until it’s DEMONSTRATED that they’re lying after a thorough investigation.

            YOU, on the other hand, are insisting that rape victims – alone of all victims of crime, even crimes with higher rates of false reporting – be treated with suspicion and skepticism until they PROVE that they’re not lying…an attitude that has been DEMONSTRATED to suppress reporting.

            You may be sincere about your concern for those wrongly convicted (although I don’t see equal concern for those wrongly convicted of murder, or a similar outrage at all the false reports of theft), but to pretend that rape and false reporting of rape are problems the society faces in equal measure makes me think you’re not serious at all and just want a way to make rape victims shut up and go away.

            Your lack of concern for the millions of people who didn’t report the felony committed against them just adds to that impression.

          • I Happened

            OK, you win,
            I will vote for the SCREAM.
            All males accused of rape, shall be thrown in the pen.

            All assets to be forfeited,
            He shall be bound up in chains,
            In the deepest, darkest dungeon cell, he shall remain.

            If, after several years, AND if proven beyond all doubt,
            that he is 100% innocent, they shall let him out,
            But one condition remains that he must agree to no doubt,
            They will drag him back in unless he promises not to do it again

          • Wa Happened

            Too much for you, huh? I’ve been working on it, so let me know if you want to see the latest draft.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Nah, I’m good. I’m not only a bit tired of responding to the specific things you say only to have you ignore what I say, but I’ve also had a lifetime of seeing guys treat a problem that affects a very tiny number of (primarily) men as being inherently more important than a problem that affects literally millions of (primarily) women. It’s boring now.

            Buhbye.

          • Wa Happened

            I haven’t ignored what you said, it’s just you keep saying the same thing, but in vague and uncreative ways.
            As far as being insignificant, is that why Betsy DeVois has revised how Title IV is to be interpreted? Asking for fair play for everyone, isn’t by definition inherently unfair to everyone as well.
            See ya

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Sigh.

            Sorry you’re unable to follow an argument that is more complicated than “tastes great!” “Less filling!”

            And I wouldn’t bring up Betsy in the context of this issue. Not here. We’ve seen right through her.

            https://wonkette.com/622579/will-betsy-devos-give-campus-sexual-assailants-a-big-wet-kiss

          • Wa Happened

            There you go, “less filling”,”taste great”, succulent, to the point, a good start. Now if you can just work on the “less stupid” part, you’ll be good to go.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            I can’t make you less stupid, cupcake. That’s on you.

            Now fuck off.

          • Wa Happened

            And BTW, Here’s a pro tip. If you want people to listen to your argument, don’t conceal it under a wrapping of bluster and dogma. Don’t confuse the point you’re trying to make with every real or imagined point that you think might add weight because (here’s the pro tip), it doesn’t
            Forget the finger pointing, the insults and all dust you can kick up. Try being succinct, it will only enhance your persuasion.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Sigh again.

            Oh cupcake… to provide me with pro tips, you’d need to be a pro at something.

            I, on the other hand, AM a professional writer and editor. I know how to structure an argument, and I recognize that the reason you didn’t care for the points I raised is because you had no answer for them.

            Here’s a REAL pro tip: don’t accuse someone of having insulted you when you were not insulted. Being unable to tell the difference between legitimate criticism of your lame arguments and insult just makes you look desperate and silly.

            Bye bye now.

  • John Strycharz

    “DeVos had said she planned to do as much this past July after meeting with both sexual assault advocates and men’s rights activists.”

    Aren’t they one and the same?

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