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Since Ken Layne wrote the Ultimate Snarl about Labor Day in America in 2013, it seems a bit redundant to try saying anything more, Honestly, go read it. It’s every bit as bleak as the title, “Labor Day Is a Scam To Keep You Poor and Miserable Forever,” suggests. And funny as hell.

The thing about Labor Day is that while it was, at least for a few decades during the “Progressive Era,” something that workers and unions actually marked with parades and demonstrations and stuff, it’s been a long time since Labor Day has really been marked by anything but furniture sales and the mandatory newspaper piece on The American Worker and/or the Decline Of Unions.

The basic irrelevance of Labor Day, as a thing people give any thought to, means the federal holiday succeeded beyond the wildest dreams of those who made it official. The very first Labor Days in the 1880s were organized by labor unions, who went on strike to call for recognition of the union movement; the first organizers picked September 1 as a convenient date because it fell halfway between Independence Day and Thanksgiving. The establishment of the federal holiday was a fairly cynical move meant as a sop to angry trade unionists, in hopes that they’d be happy with a gesture from the government saying “OK, you exist. Good for you!”

As Layne notes, official Labor Day became a federal holiday at least in part for the purpose of de-fanging that other day for workers, May Day, which arose as a rowdy day of marches and protests to commemorate the 1886 Haymarket bombing in Chicago (which was actually May 4, but May 1 as a day for socialist agitation merged better with European spring celebrations). We didn’t want no commie/socialist May Day holiday, so Grover Cleveland signed the September Labor Day holiday into law shortly after federal troops killed 30 people while breaking up the Pullman Strike in 1894. If you’re not familiar with that particular horror of labor history, go read Business Insider’s story — yet another example of the Powers that Were violently keeping uppity union workers in their place, then papering over the strife with a nice declaration of a holiday.

So don’t worry that mattress sales take anything away from the “real meaning” of Labor Day. The holiday was meant to appease workers from the get-go.

While putting this piece together, we also had a fine time digging around in the University of Washington Library’s IWW History Project, an amazing online archive of the Industrial Workers of the World, which was far more active in the Pacific Northwest than we had any idea. It’s disturbing to realize how many people got killed in this country for the insane, radical notion that workers should have basic safety, reasonable hours, and a decent wage. In among the horrors of the Everett Massacre, the Centralia Massacre, and an amazing archive of labor spy reports, we also found this absolutely charming photo of Katie Phar, the “IWW songbird” who grew up singing and collecting union songs. Talk about an adorable little agitator!

She began a correspondence with the IWW activist and songwriter Joe Hill when she was just 10, in 1915 — months before his execution on a trumped-up murder charge.

So much of labor’s history was bloody, small gains in working conditions and workers’ rights gained only at a high cost. And never a shortage of thugs to break strikes and beat or shoot union troublemakers. Or their families — in June 1924, the KKK, joined by men from the US Navy, attacked an IWW hall in San Pedro, California, during a benefit for two workers killed in a railroad accident. They beat up many in the crowd of 300, tarred and feathered several union leaders, and beat Lizzie Sundstedt, a mother of three, so badly that two months later she died of her injuries. Sundstedt had been trying to protect her two daughters and another boy; the attackers got past her and threw boiling coffee on the children. Her oldest daughter, Mae, 12, was photographed in the hospital, suffering burns from the waist down:

Mae’s injuries were so bad that when her mother died, two months later, she had to be brought to the funeral on a stretcher.

That’s the kind of thing Americans did to each other to keep scary union members from bringing socialism — or slightly higher wages, same thing — to the USA. We’re remarkably good at that sort of thing. Don’t want blacks to vote or go to the same schools as whites? Bomb a Sunday school. We can see why a lot of fake patriots would prefer sanitized history that only looks at great heroes. It’s a hell of a lot more cheerful.

And yet. The labor laws changed. The culture changed, some (not enough). No one would pretend things are good — workers are still largely disposable, but only in terms of their labor; we’re a bit less tolerant of machines casually lopping off fingers these days (in America, at least). We have a president who seems to long for the good old days when labor unrest — even hints of it — could be crushed by calling out the militia, or the Pinkertons. But the days when strikers or demonstrators could be casually gunned down with impunity seem well behind us, much though Breitbart commenters might like to see them return. And labor organizing even shows signs of life, from fast-food workers’ “Fight For Fifteen” campaigns to the folks working to organize Walmart — and while Walmart always plays dirty, and has shut down stores rather than allow them to unionize — the goon squads tend to have law degrees these days, not truncheons, so that’s progress, yes?

Oh, but there’s the pending deportation of 800,000 workers if Trump ends DACA and Congress does nothing to stop it. You can tell we’re big optimists here, since that wasn’t “when.”

They like representation! They really like representation!

Enjoy your Labor Day, Wonkers. In keeping with tradition, we close with the obligatory videos: Pete Seeger singing “Union Maid,” and that freakin’ brilliant AFSCME ad parody.

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  • tehbaddr

    Hey Dok, I thought Editrix gave you the day off?

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Nope, someone’s gotta stoke the snark fires.

      • tehbaddr

        Maybe a little babysitting, who knows what we might get up to unattended!

        • janecita

          What else can we do? We are eternally pants less, and telling dick jokes.

        • Suttree

          Drunken anarchy?

      • Ill-Advised

        “Life has no greater reward to offer than the chance to work hard at work worth doing.”

        T.R., Labor Day speech, 1902.

        I can’t wait to go back to work worth doing. All I need to do is persuade someone to offer it! :-)

    • folderol

      I hear the far-off sound of a whip cracking.

  • coozledad

    Maybe we ought to rechristen labor day as the day we finally stopped listening to a motherfucking thing future Fox News regulars Glenn Thrush and Maggie Haberman shit out their face holes.

  • Nounverb911
    • coozledad

      Carlin used to say “They’re coming after your social security.” Add your goddamn 401K to that list.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        At least a 401(k) is yours. The fuckers WILL steal your pension if you give them half a chance. That was Mitt Romney’s grift – some poor schlub’s pension paid for that car elevator. (And the sad schlub probably voted for Trump. You really can’t make this shit up.)

        • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

          For now. There is talk about taxing the 401(k) plans, I presume to help fund cuts for the billionaires. Also, too, the value of 401(k)s depend on the stock market.

        • grindstone

          heh. yeah, maybe. My 401k was mostly company stock, since that’s the way it was set up. Then the fuckers Chapter-11’d our perfectly good company, wrecked the stock, broke us up and sold us. My 21 years of 401k more or less disappeared.

          • Maggielle

            Exactly. And now you are a selfish, feckless boomer (?) who didn’t plan properly like the Greatest Generation did.

          • tehbaddr

            I’m A Gen xer, and plan on never being able to retire.

          • grindstone

            Worse! I’m a Gen-Xer who thought they could get by on just a useless engineering degree! Unlike my parent’s generation who got jobs with a high school diploma and have these things called PENSIONS.

      • jesterpunk

        Congress tried, because allowing everyone to have a 401k is socialism.

        http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/03/retirement/state-retirement-plans-senate/index.html

        • bupkus231

          You know, I read that piece, and it appears to stand the standard Rep .vs. Dem stances on it’s head.

          The Obama rule exempted state retirement plans from the federal ERISA rules. Overturning the Obama order was a move to re-instate burdensome federal regulations on states.

          I guess this apparent reversal of the roles was overridden by the Republicans hatred of all things Obama, even if it means showing themselves to by hypocrites….

          • jesterpunk

            Republicans are all for regulations when it hurts the workers and minorities.

          • 🛶🗣️ Mr Canoehead 🛶🗣️

            Hypocrisy is the air they breathe.

      • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

        Currently reading Democracy in Chains by Nancy MacLean about the radical rights stealth takeover of the Republican party. It goes into great detail about their hatred for Social Security, unions, etc. and their brainwashing of average people with their Orwellian slogans like “Right to Work”.

        • CriticalDragon1177

          I’ll bet it also talks about how they want to police what goes on between two consenting adults in people’s bedrooms. At least Libertarians are far more logically consistent when they call for smaller government.

          • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

            Actually, it talks about how many Libertarians are inconsistent and want smaller government for themselves but more regulation of the takers. Charles Koch for instance.

          • Ill-Advised

            They aren’t. Cf. one “Paul Ryan.”

        • Celtic_Gnome

          I was behind an elderly couple in the post office. Probably retired, probably life-long Republicans. They really didn’t like mass transit.

          • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

            When they can’t drive anymore, they might change their minds.

    • CriticalDragon1177

      Sad truth is that if people are desperate enough, they will take such jobs.

  • Nounverb911
    • coozledad

      His lips look like he’s trying to suck a blowfly off a sliding glass door.

      • Teecha

        Or eat an apple through a letterbox.

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      Ewwwww …. we just ate!

    • Beanz&Berryz

      She’s wearing a sofa cover…

      • coozledad

        And she stole it from my grandma.

    • janecita

      She looks a lot like Macron’s wife.

    • efoveks

      Ick and ew. Or maybe it should be “Ick and Ew”?

    • FlownΩver

      DeVos: “No tongues!”

  • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly
    • CriticalDragon1177

      That’s because both Trump and Kim Jun Un, are lower primates.

    • bupkus231

      Once I realized that it was a takeoff on the beginning scenes of “2001: A Space Odyssey” and started overanalyzing it ( the monolith imparted “intelligence” to the chimps – are we to expect a nuclear weapon to impart something to these assholes? ), it lost a lot…

      • Ill-Advised

        Stop thinking!

        It’s FUNNY because it’s true. And funny even if you haven’t seen 2001. IMHO.

  • Me The People
  • Nounverb911
    • therblig

      all grammars and no grampas

      • eggs ackly-wright

        Period.

      • willi0000000

        i’m sure there was a man driving.

        [ *runs like a motherfucker* ]

        • Ill-Advised

          [With a small red dot bouncing on his back*]

    • Maclare 🌒

      Arlo Guthrie doin’ his ol’ man’s song Ladies Auxiliary… sort of.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRjOWCAuE4k

  • The Librarian

    🎶Look for the Union label🎶

    • BosGrl

      That ad needs to be updated and reaired.

    • mancityRed6

      you, you are awesome.

  • Ricky Gay

    Coincidentally, I am re-reading the 20th Century chapters of Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History…” – amazing details about the blood spilled over workers rights and safety. As always, highly recommended!

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    Anyone surprised that Jerry Falwell’s little academic shop of horrors doesn’t believe in Labor Day?

    https://twitter.com/bomani_jones/status/904683370118078465

    • The Librarian

      Shouldn’t that be considered anti-American?

      • jesterpunk

        Its a right wing church and school, they have been trying to redefine Labor Day as a day to thank the job creators for allowing you to have a job.

        • Suttree

          Bring the boss a present day!

          • willi0000000

            they’d rather you just tithe the boss.

            [ cash is always in good taste for these idiots ]

  • SomeBigRedDog

    It may be labor day but fermenting beer doesn’t take a day off so its work for me.

    Sigh.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Ah, but you’re doing important if not essential work.

    • willi0000000

      tough day!
      *turn valve*
      *smell crotch*
      *read gauge*
      *lick own butt*
      *turn valve*
      *lick own butt*
      *read gauge*
      *smell crotch*
      .
      .
      .

  • tehbaddr

    A little later I’m gonna celebrate by throwing some dead animal parts on the grill and smoke the shit out of them!

    • mancityRed6

      I’ll be there in 5 minutes.

    • WeaselPoo

      Pro tip: Tell God you are grilling in his honor and He won’t kill you prematurely.

      • tehbaddr

        No can do, still waiting to be smote!

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Remember that Eric Cantor asshole? Yeah, sorry to resurrect his deservedly dead memory, but this whole thing was pretty amusing, even at the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaT0ZI1Jqis
    .

    • Boscoe

      No, this memory should not be forgotten. It should be trotted out EVERY Labor Day so we never forget the time Eric Cantor accidentally said out loud what all conservatives are thinking…

      • willi0000000

        of course don’t forget . . . but don’t worry about them speaking what they really think any more . . . it seems that they lost all their dog whistles and now just say it out loud (and proud!)

  • anon_the_great

    Thanks Doc

  • Nounverb911

    Kate’s labor day is in about 6 months….
    https://twitter.com/TimesLIVE/status/904670411572617216

    • coozledad

      What a weird job. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to be a royal. It’s like being Mickey Mouse at Disney World your entire life.

      • Covfefe

        Pays better than Disney. Fringe benefits off the wall. Didn’t even need to start a union. EDIT: Oh forgive me. They started the United Kingdom

    • janecita

      Fucking BBC! No BBC, this shit isn’t breaking news!!! I don’t give three fucks about the royals nor their spawns!

    • willi0000000

      from the looks on their faces . . . he’s OK . . . she’s incredible!

  • janecita

    Can you imagine all the strikes, that would have been going on, during Trump’s inauguration if unions were bigger, and stronger? Republicans have done a great job demonizing unions. Look at the car manufacturing plants in the South, their workers routinely reject to be unionized.

    • Christopher Story

      I’ve noticed that these people have no problem suffering for their cause when they know their cause is causing more harm and damage to their perceived enemies.
      “Sure, my wages are shit, but I sure stuck it to those liberals.”

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        They do buy into the whole zero-sum game fiction: “I got shit, but you got less, so I win.”

        • willi0000000

          it’s a shame they don’t have the awareness of dandruff . . . if they did they’d look around and notice that in the zero-sum the kochs have everything and they sum out at zero.

          . . . or maybe they do notice and just think that that’s the natural order of things.

          [ apologies to dandruff ]

      • Three Finger Salute

        And by “liberals,” they mean blacks, browns, women, and those gross, icky rainbow people who should be fired and blacklisted for using the wrong bathroom. They want “jobs,” but only for burly, strapping white men. (Who aren’t even all that burly or strapping. They’re fat.) They want the women back in the kitchen, the blacks back on the plantation, the gays back in the closet (or dead), and for everyone else to “go back to their own countries.” They want the Mad Men society back and they’re willing to burn everything down if they can’t have it. They don’t even want nerds in the workforce either. They love to rant and rave on Breitbart, but hate the sciency people who came up with the Internet. These are the people they gave wedgies to in high school, and they’re infuriated that the weak little sissy math geeks are doing far better than they are in life. It’s infinite high school. Almost like… they never graduated…?

        • Good_Gawd_Yall

          Like a Venn diagram of “stupid”, “angry,” and “barely evolved” where all the circles are on top of one another.

    • OrG

      Yeah,who wants higher wages, better benefits, and a pension?

      • willi0000000

        *raises hand from back row*

        • 🛶🗣️ Mr Canoehead 🛶🗣️

          *Raises both hands*

          • willi0000000

            looks like you’re being robbed.

    • TootsStansbury

      They’ve been convinced they’re lucky to have a job and any wages or pensions can’t be afforded by the “owners”. They’d go broke and then no more job. Neat trick, huh?

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        You’d think they’d get a clue from the wealth of people like the Kochs, Walmart heirs, the entire 45 cabinet, and 45 himself, but I think the problem is they can’t conceptualize what a billion dollars is. They believe stupid stories about how raising wages would mean a burger at McDonalds would cost $15 and don’t understand that there’s a huge sucking hole at the center of a country where Walmart is allowed to pay its workers such low wages that they qualify for food stamps.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      If the Labor Movement had not be decimated by Regan and the Bushes, 45 would be named Hillary.

  • jesterpunk
    • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

      I loved it when the Dropkock Murphys told Scrote Wanker to stop using their music and that they hated his fucking guts.

      • jesterpunk

        That seems to happen a lot with Republicans, yet they keep doing it.

        • bupkus231

          Which is kinda funny, considering they’re all about protecting intellectual property….

          • Ill-Advised

            To be sure, this is the only way they CAN steal intellectual property.

  • Bill D. Burger

    And….Get to work Texans. Tell Abbott the time to act is now. Put Texans to work with that Rainy Day Fund.

    The Republican dominated Texas government is lookin’ for that sweet, sweet Big Gummit money ASAP and Greg Abbott continues to argue that they won’t touch their $10 billion state ‘Rainy Day’ fund. “We need a debate, and we would have to convene a special session of our legislature, to decide if we will tap that source and how much we can spend.”
    Well shiiiiiiiiiiit’!

    (*To paraphrase the lyrics from Lady Marmalade)
    ♪, ♩ We’re independent Texans, some mistake us for whores
    I’m sayin‘, why spend mine when I can spend yours
    Disagree? Well that’s you and I’m sorry
    Imma keep playing these cats out like Atari. ♪, ♩

    Guess those GOP whore boots don’t have straps, huh?

    https://www.texastribune.org/2017/09/01/hey-texplainer-can-texas-lawmakers-tap-rainy-day-fund-help-harvey-reli/

    • Covfefe

      Matching funds. (Or, if you’re a Republican, “Skin in the Game.”). I’ll go 90/10. That’s how we rolled when America Was Great the First Time. Abbott doesn’t put up any state funds at all, he gets nothing from the Feds.

    • Jenny

      But that is special we blew a hole in the budget with our shit tax cuts monies!!!

      Anywho the boyfriend is back to reality from his stupidly demanding job, and holy shit his entire family in Beaumont is under water. Spending the day supply shopping before he goes down to pluck granny from her house.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      This is the same Governor who got pressured from his waste-of-space Lt. Gov that we had to have a special session RIGHT NOW because people may potty in the “wrong” bathroom. Nice.

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    i was just reminded today fucking Ronald Reagan was inducted into labor hall of fame for his work with SAG…with NO mention of the ATC strike.

    Sigh.

    • OrG

      Who is in charge of the”labor Hall of Fame”? I’ve never heard of it.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        i dunnno:

        Laura Clawson highlights at Daily Kos an AFL-CIO survey and reminds readers:

        And by the way, if you’ve ever wondered how relevant unions are today, if you were tempted by the Republican argument that they won all the important battles in past decades and aren’t needed today, check this out:

        Union members polled are much more likely to receive Labor Day off and overtime pay compared with their nonunion counterparts. While 78% of all working people polled have Labor Day off, 85% of union members do. Furthermore, 66% of union members receive overtime for working on Labor Day, compared with 38% of nonunion members. Seventy-nine percent (79%) of union members enjoy access to paid vacation, compared with 68% of nonunion members. Finally, 75% of union members have access to paid sick leave, compared with only 64% of nonunion members.

        https://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2017/09/labor-day-in-guilded-age-of-shrinking.html

      • Beanz&Berryz

        I think US Dept of Labor

        • OrG

          That would explain it.

      • FlownΩver

        Octomom?

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      His time in SAG was excellent. Especially for all those people he sold out to HUAC.

    • lucidamente
    • Three Finger Salute

      Or the fact that he was a red-baiter through and through. His “work” with SAG consisted of rooting out anyone to the left of Mussolini as a fifth-column infiltrator. Note that Jimmy Carter made everyone in his cabinet watch the horrifying anti-war film Johnny Got His Gun, which was written by blacklisted screenwriter Dalton Trumbo. Didn’t take long for Rambo Ronnie to get wind of that and march his Bonzo brigade right into D.C., to clean out the White House from the stench of that filthy socialist carpenter and… return it to its rightful owner, Jesus. Republicans have hated the movies ever since they got a scab in there. The rest is history… and sadly, not fiction.

      • Doug Langley
        • Three Finger Salute

          Pity that Susan Sarandon went full Trumpazoid. She and Tim Robbins used to be quite the art-activist pair. (Someone said awhile back that Robbins did too?) They made a TV movie called Cradle Will Rock, about FDR’s WPA artists’ program and the ruthless capitalists who got it shut down for being “subversive.” Just like the Hollywood blacklist years later.

          The scene where Diego Rivera is painting a mural of Lenin on a wall in the Rockefeller building is prescient. One could easily picture a modern-day Diego doing the same to Trump’s border wall — or defacing the temples of ostentatious, gaudy, literally gold-plated ’80s excess, which are any of his blood-money hotels. Ruben Blades as Diego, and John Cusack in a rare bad-guy role as Rockefeller.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbwukvgiQ00

          Hey, wait a minute — There are muralists in Vancouver, aren’t they? And of course, we know Canada is a communist country run by a junior Castro who cuddles Chinese pandas, lunches with Pope Francis, supports universal healthcare and UBI programs, proudly self-describes as a feminist, and opposes the Scott Walker Act…

  • Lefty Wright

    Zane Grey, the famed writer of westerns, also wrote an anti-union propaganda screed against attempts to unionize migrant agriculture workers in the US Northwest. Of course, the organizers had tons of money, murdered opponents, and burned fields and houses. Meanwhile, the people opposing unions were patriots who fought and died or became disabled in the Big One and returned and were just trying to make a living. Except that the main characters were immensely wealthy landowners trying to get even more immensely wealthy. It also had German collaborators and sympathizers, and tied them to creating labor unrest to sabotage the US war effort. Check out “The Desert of Wheat” written in 1924. Extremely anti-union and from a popular writer of the period.

  • Nounverb911
    • dlemex

      And they include health care!

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Plus holiday pay (roughly one month salary) isn’t added in the minimum wage next to 4 to 5 weeks paid leave.

  • BadKitty904
  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    My dad was a union guy – eventually became the union rep, worked in the “Union Building” where they all had offices. The building eventually got knocked down (no foreshadowing to see here, move along), and as the last guy out the door, he collected all these big, framed certificates hanging in the hallways. They were the union charters – he showed them to me later, and I’m reading the signatures: there’s Samuel Gompers’ autograph, in 2-inch high letters. We gave the lot to the local city museum, where they’re up on the walls today.

  • CriticalDragon1177

    As a blue collar working myself, I sure do appreciate this day.

  • lucidamente
  • Beanz&Berryz

    I kinda recall that here in the NW Wobblies (IWW) were competing against another union, that I can’t remember… And my sense is that unionization took deeper root in Washington than Oregon, but I don’t know why…

  • BadKitty904
  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Bravo Dok! And let us never forget the struggle and sacrifices of those that gave us the rights we enjoy today. I have forever worked with assholes that loved disparaging unions, but boy, they sure loved their weekends too.

    • willi0000000

      i worked (non-union and for a lot less pay and NO bennies) alongside union workers who hated their union . . . they also hated me for taking the job (that rightfully belonged to a union guy).

      they were impervious to argument that their union should have required me to join (or, at least pay for their work on my behalf) and get decent pay and bennies.

      oddly enough, i knew more about unions in general (and theirs specifically) than they did . . . they knew no union history and most wouldn’t associate the name “Gompers” with anything.

      they saw the union as a way to not get fired no matter how little work you did.

      small wonder the unions aren’t respected.

      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        I can see that side, I can. Not everything about every union is good or laudable. But we forget the struggles of the worker and their right to collectively bargain for better working conditions at our own peril.

        • willi0000000

          at least get the union members to remember!

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Why isn’t labor day may 1th like the rest of us?

  • jesterpunk

    Joel Osteen has a thought.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joel-osteen-harvey-victim-mentality_us_59acaa9ae4b0b5e530ff6e8b

    Pastor Joel Osteen, who has been under fire for his Houston megachurch’s slow response to helping survivors of Hurricane Harvey, vowed on Sunday that God would “pay back” victims for what they lost.

    “We’re not going to understand everything that happens, but having a ‘poor old me’ mentality or ‘look what I lost’ or ‘why did this happen,’ you know that’s just going to pull you down,” he said in his first sermon at his Lakewood Church since the storm.

    Instead, he urged his followers to “turn it over” to God.

    “God won’t allow it unless he has a purpose for it,” he said. “We may not see it at the time, but that’s what faith is all about.”

    Osteen said having faith will “allow” God to “turn situations around.”

    “He’s got you in the palm of his hand,” he said. “He’s working in your behalf right now, behind the scenes, he’s lining up things in your favor.”

    Then, he cited a passage from the Bible that describes how God will “restore” what “the enemy” is trying to take.

    “So let’s don’t have a victim mentality, let’s have a restoration mentality,” he said. “Lord, we thank you, that you’re going to pay back what belongs to us.”

    He also said God is ignoring the people who are praying because they can handle it.

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/joel-osteen-says-hurricanes-are-gods-way-of-showing-you-can-handle-it-take-it-as-a-compliment/

    • bupkus231

      That happy horseshit “sermon” sounds straight out of “Elmer Gantry”…

      • willi0000000

        Elmer Gantry should be required watching for everybody before they leave high school.

        • bupkus231

          I was more talking about the book – can’t say I remember watching the movie, but I had a paperback of “Elmer Gantry” ( bought in middle- or high- school ) and read it many times…

          • willi0000000

            too many kids couldn’t get through anything longer than a comic without being bored to tears.

    • BadKitty904

      Having just been in Houston, I can tell you that few men are more hated, locally, than Joel Osteen.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/62d704d1f2705f23609076705069adf229b6c79d93a992500af94fb0664bde70.jpg

      • jesterpunk

        Hopefully that means his church gets shut down and he is ran out of town soon.

        • BadKitty904

          In a just world… *sigh*

    • Boscoe

      “God won’t allow it unless he has a purpose for it,”
      I can’t WAIT to find out what his “purpose” is for babies having bone cancer…

      • Christopher Story

        “Sometimes God picks the prettiest flowers for himself.”
        (A real reply from a real pastor on a similar subject of why children die)

        • Boscoe

          And I guess His taste in “flowers” is of the “suffered horrifically” kind.. Funny how those “pastors” can always muster up a nauseatingly shallow platitude to dispense with any attempt at rational thought. >:(

          • willi0000000

            hop right up there, kid . . . have i got a deal for you . . . we call it The Children’s Crusades

      • grindstone

        This is just repackaging the “everything happens for a reason” bullshit that still rankles me every time I hear it.

        My family left my in-law’s place late one Christmas night. I had wanted to leave earlier but as things go… We missed a horrendous accident by maybe 30 seconds on our way home. Seven people killed because some asshole and his buddies we’re out driving drunk and recklessly. My MIL said God had delayed our departure because “everything happens for a reason”. I didn’t speak to her for months after that I was so horrified that THAT was her response.

        • Boscoe

          It gets even worse than that, I was working a job at a local rich-person church/elementary school complex and overheard two of the “councilors” (who thought no one was around), talking about how they believed the tsunami was “god’s punishment” on the people of Indonesia.

          It is fascinating to hear “Christians” using the “God’s Will” fallacy to exempt themselves from all that compassion and Christian charity stuff that hippy Jesus guy was always blabbering about.

          • grindstone

            Like I say, most of the world’s sinners must live in coastal areas, since that’s where all the hurricanes and tsunamis hit.

          • Covfefe

            This is an important insight. We Christians live in Fly-over Country. We’re the Real Americans and God loves us.

          • Maggielle

            And that’s vital, because God is the only entity than can pacify the Yellowstone Caldera for the next bazillion years.

          • Werewolf

            And tornadoes are the only bad weather that isn’t Divine punishment.

          • Covfefe

            Do Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jr., or Franklin Graham wait til they think no one is around to preach about Jesus hurling his thunderbolts, or, if your prefer, Trumpenbolts, at Mooselims and gheys?

          • Ill-Advised

            When I upvote these things, I want to cry.

            Instead, I will pray for the relief of my burning heart.

            O God, hear this prayer, and let my cry come into thee: consider these rich preachers who bid people not to pray, because they say you will not hear them, and who will not help the helpless, because they say the wounded deserve what has happened to them. Make every word they say a witness against them: make every man, woman, child, and pet harmed, and hurt, and left to suffer, a witness against them. Remember all this and afflict them with scorching shame to change their ways; or if they will not change, bring down disaster upon their very specific heads, and may there be none to save them. For they shame you’re name that use it to enrich themselves! Come by us, Lord, with justice. And empower us also, to do what we can, both the faithful and those who know you not; and not to wait to do the good we can, for night will come for us all. In Christ’s name, amen.

    • Christopher Story

      Didn’t Jesus silence a severe storm just by saying, “hush, be quiet,”?

      • jesterpunk

        He waited for the town to ask him for help first.

        • Christopher Story

          Haha haha!

    • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

      So, is God going to use some of the money the ‘good xtians” gave this guy in His name? Oh, wait… never mind

      • jesterpunk

        Osteen needs another mansion.

        • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

          It makes you wonder, are these evangelicals ever going to wake the fuck up?

          This is a rhetorical question as we all already know the answer.

    • Christopher Story

      Give your problems to God; give your money to me.

      • jesterpunk

        I dont know, God seems to be really bad at managing money. He needs more every month.

        • efoveks

          My God’s not short of cash, so I have more to give to La Wonkette!

        • Paul Dietzel

          According to Homer (not that Iliad guy), roughly “If God needs more money why doesn’t he write another book; that first one seemed to do pretty well.”

        • grindstone

          And why can’t he just multiply the money he’s already been given, a la loaves and fishes??

          • Arolpin

            Because that would be fiat currency! Audit the Fed! Bring back the gold standard! Got is a fiscal conservative!

    • VirginiaWackelpudding

      He. Is. A. Dick!

      • Covfefe

        He. Is. A. Dick. Joke! (Sans pants)

        FIFY.

    • mancityRed6

      preaching to the choir of the idiots who would give him money anyway.
      fuck his ass sideways with a cactus full of votes.

      • efoveks

        I really hope he isn’t into cacti, but I sure hope the cacti are into him! LOL

    • Christopher Story
    • efoveks

      That stupid fucker just doesn’t understand what blasphemy is, and he is hurting people with his ignorance. I know what I’m “putting up to God” today, and it’s the stick to fly up Osteen’s ass. With sharp-edged rusted votes no less.

      • jesterpunk

        I seem to remember the old testament God liked to smite people. I wouldn’t hate it if he brought that back for the right wing prosperity bible pastors.

        • Covfefe

          If the Houston 1,000-year storm isn’t smiting the petrochemical industry, we’re going to need a whole new concept for smiting.

    • Covfefe

      Did Joel still have the losers in his church or did he have his paying customers back?

      • jesterpunk

        He has paying customers, if they dont give him money they can get out.

        • Covfefe

          Got it. His whole program is Modern Day Predestination. You know you’re one of the elect if you’re got the money to support Joel.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      When I was going through a rough period in my life a Muslim Imam said to me: “Allah always picks his strongest soldiers for his fiercest battles.” I thought it was beautiful and inspiring. Osteen trying the same playbook sounds nauseating.

      • Ill-Advised

        The Imam had been through some shit. Wisdom like that comes from the desert…no matter where he’s from.

    • Bozilingus

      A more appropriate sermon. “Let it go.” – God
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

    • Three Finger Salute

      If Jesus saves, well, he better save himself
      From the gory glory-seekers who use his name in death.

      -Jethro Tull

    • Alan

      And gimme your money.

    • BeachBum

      The problem with having your god think like a human is that your god thinks like a human.

      • Ill-Advised

        That is the problem with a manufactured god. It can’t be better than its maker, being made in its maker’s image.

        I once heard a sermon on God’s inhumanity. The point was that God, not being human, is capable of inhumane justice on behalf of all things. God doesn’t take an anthrocentric view.

        Let alone a white one.

  • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly
  • Jeffocaster in the West

    All the fuckers that now are anti-union are the first to scream about stuff that the Unions fought and died for to protect workers. I am not saying that Unions are perfect, but we have such a short memory. Fuck Ronald Reagan. That should be the subtitle for today.

    • Rick Hill

      Even salaried workers who know they are being ripped of don’t want to stand for their rights.

      • mancityRed6

        the last ex brought her laptop home and signed in with a coworker, until they made her salary.
        then, she said “fucket”

      • Lefty Wright

        Hence the stagnation of not just wage earners, but salaried employees for the last 30 years.

        • mancityRed6

          hint: they don’t get OT

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            the boy king just reversed Obama’s change to the OT law for salaried workers (technically, the administration has refused to defend the law after a federal judge put it on hold as the result of a lawsuit)

          • mancityRed6

            the new boss left on Wednesday and isn’t coming back til tomorrow. I wonder how he’ll take the news.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            the new law never actually went into effect- it was scheduled to kick in this year to bump the salary level to exempt OT from 23K to 47K, which would have meant a serious pay raise for lots of middle class peeps who get screwed over working shit jobs that pay salary instead of hourly as faux managers.

      • efoveks

        They are afraid of what their current employer might tell their next one. My stock answer to interviewers who ask what my former employers would say about me is “The good and honest ones will tell you that I got along well with my co-workers, that I worked hard, that I insisted that safety standards be upheld, and that I have a strong moral character. The rest will tell you I was a pain in their ass.”

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          stealing it!

    • Covfefe

      Management, guided as always by The Hidden Hand, is perfect.

    • BeachBum

      So many change their tune during a recession.

    • Shibusa

      I know Foxbots who are just sure that good ol’ white American farm workers would be making piles of money, enjoying company cars and expense accounts if it weren’t for the darn “illegals” suppressing wages. They seem oblivious to the fact that worker unions are what lift wages.

  • mancityRed6

    I have no words but this, I love you Dok.

  • jesterpunk
  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    Appropriate for Labor Day also too since we are still dealing with this BS 300 years later…

    http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-02-09.htm

    ORIGIN OF THE IDEA OF RACE
    by Audrey Smedley
    Anthropology Newsletter, November 1997

    Contemporary scholars agree that “race” was a recent invention and that it was essentially a folk idea, not a product of scientific research and discovery. This is not new to anthropologists. Since the 1940s when Ashley Montagu argued against the use of the term “race” in science, a growing number of scholars in many disciplines have declared that the real meaning of race in American society has to do with social realities, quite distinct from physical variations in the human species. I argue that race was institutionalized beginning in the 18th century as a worldview, a set of culturally created attitudes and beliefs about human group differences.

    Slavery and the Coming of Africans

    Race and its ideology about human differences arose out of the context of African slavery. But many peoples throughout history have been enslaved without the imposition of racial ideology. When we look at 17th century colonial America before the enactment of laws legitimizing slavery only for Africans and their descendants (after 1660), several facts become clear.

    1). The first people that the English tried to enslave and place on plantations were the Irish with whom they had had hostile relations since the 13th century.

    2) Some Englishmen had proposed laws enslaving the poor in England and in the colonies to force them to work indefinitely.

    3) Most of the slaves on English plantations in Barbados and Jamaica were Irish and Indians.

    4) Many historians point out that African servants and bonded indentured white servants were treated much the same way. They often joined together, as in the case of Bacon’s Rebellion (1676) to oppose the strict and oppressive laws of the colonial government.

    In the latter part of the 17th century the demand for labor grew enormously. It had become clear that neither Irishmen nor Indians made good slaves. More than that, the real threats to social order were the poor freed whites who demanded lands and privileges that the upper class colonial governments refused. Some colonial leaders argued that turning to African labor provided a buffer against the masses of poor whites.

    Until the 18th century the image of Africans was generally positive. They were farmers and cattle-breeders; they had industries, arts and crafts, governments and commerce. In addition, Africans had immunities to Old World diseases. They were better laborers and they had nowhere to escape to once transplanted to the New World. The colonists themselves came to believe that they could not survive without Africans.

    When some Englishmen entered slave trading directly, it became clear that many of the English public had misgivings about slave-trading and re-creating slavery on English soil. It was an era when the ideals of equality, justice, democracy, and human rights were becoming dominant features of Western political philosophy. Those involved in the trade rationalized their actions by arguing that the Africans were heathens after all, and it was a Christian duty to save their souls. By the early part of the 18th century, the institution was fully established for Africans and their descendants. Large numbers of slaves flooded the southern colonies and even some northern ones. Sometimes they outnumbered whites, and the laws governing slavery became increasingly harsher.

    A New Social Identity

    Toward the end of the eighteenth century, the image of Africans began to change dramatically. The major catalyst for this transformation was the rise of a powerful antislavery movement that expanded and strengthened during the Revolutionary Era both in Europe and in the United States. As a consequence proslavery forces found it necessary to develop new arguments for defending the institution. Focusing on physical differences, they turned to the notion of the natural inferiority of Africans and thus their God-given suitability for slavery. Such arguments became more frequent and strident from the end of the eighteenth century on, and the characterizations of Africans became more negative.

    From here we see the structuring of the ideological components of “race.” The term “race,” which had been a classificatory term like “type,” or “kind,” but with ambiguous meaning, became more widely used in the eighteenth century, and crystallized into a distinct reference for Africans, Indians and Europeans. By focusing on the physical and status differences between the conquered and enslaved peoples, and Europeans, the emerging ideology linked the socio-political status and physical traits together and created a new form of social identity. Proslavery leaders among the colonists formulated a new ideology that merged all Europeans together, rich and poor, and fashioned a social system of ranked physically distinct groups. The model for “race” and “races” was the Great Chain of Being or Scale of Nature (Scala Naturae), a semi-scientific theory of a natural hierarchy of all living things, derived from classical Greek writings. The physical features of different groups became markers or symbols of their status on this scale, and thus justified their positions within the social system. Race ideology proclaimed that the social, spiritual, moral, and intellectual inequality of different groups was, like their physical traits, natural, innate, inherited, and unalterable.

    Thus was created the only slave system in the world that became exclusively “racial.” By limiting perpetual servitude to Africans and their descendants, colonists were proclaiming that blacks would forever be at the bottom of the social hierarchy. By keeping blacks, Indians and whites socially and spatially separated and enforcing endogamous mating, they were making sure that visible physical differences would be preserved as the premier insignia of unequal social statuses. From its inception separateness and inequality was what “race” was all about. The attributes of inferior race status came to be applied to free blacks as well as slaves. In this way, “race” was configured as an autonomous new mechanism of social differentiation that transcended the slave condition and persisted as a form of social identity long after slavery ended.

    Humans as Property

    American slavery was unique in another way; that is, how North American slave-owners resolved the age-old dilemma of all slave systems. Slaves are both persons and things—-human beings and property. How do you treat a human being as both person and property? And what should take precedence, the human rights of the slave or the property rights of the master? American laws made clear that property was more sacred than people, and the property rights of masters overshadowed the human rights of slaves. Said Chief Justice Roger B. Taney in the famous Dred Scott case of 1857, “Negroes were seen only as property; they were never thought of or spoken of except as property” and “(thus) were not intended by the framers of the Constitution to be accorded citizenship rights.”

    In order to transform people solely into property, you must minimize those qualities that make them human. Literature of the early nineteenth century began to portray “the negro” as a savage in even stronger terms than those that had been used for the Irish two centuries earlier. This was a major transformation in thought about who Africans were. Historian George Fredrickson states explicitly that “before 1830 open assertions of permanent black inferiority were exceedingly rare” (The Black Image in the White Mind, 1987). By mid-century, the ideology of “negro inferiority” dominated both popular and scholarly thought.

    Science and the Justification for “Races”

    What is so striking about the American experience in creating such an extreme conception of human differences was the role played by scientists and scholars in legitimizing the folk ideas. Scholarly writers began attempting to prove scientifically that “the Negro” was a different and lower kind of human being. The first published materials arguing from a scientific perspective that “negroes” were a separate species from white men appeared in the last decade of the eighteenth century. They argued that Negroes were either a product of degeneration from that first creation, or descendants of a separate creation altogether.

    American intellectuals appropriated, and rigidified, the categories of human groups established by European scholars during the eighteenth century, but ignored Blumenbach’s caution that human groups blend insensibly into one another, so that it is impossible to place precise boundaries around them.

    When Dr. Samuel Morton in the 1830s initiated the field of craniometry, the first school of American anthropology, proponents of race ideology received the most powerful scientific support yet. Measuring the insides of crania collected from many populations, he offered “evidence” that the Negro had a smaller brain than whites, with Indians in-between. Morton is also famous for his involvement in a major scientific controversy over creation.

    The very existence of a scientific debate over whether blacks and whites were products of a single creation, or of multiple creations, especially in a society dominated by Biblical explanations, seems anomalous. It indicates that the differences between “races” had been so magnified and exaggerated that popular consciousness had already widely accepted the idea of blacks being a different and inferior species of humans. Justice Taney’s decision reflected this, declaring, “the negro is a different order of being.” Thus slave-owners’ rights to their “property” were upheld in law by appeal to the newly invented identity of peoples from Africa.

    Scientists collaborated in confirming popular beliefs, and publications appeared on a regular basis providing the “proof” that comforted the white public. That some social leaders were conscious of their role in giving credibility to the invented myths is manifest in statements such as that found in the Charleston Medical Journal after Dr. Morton’s death. It states, “We can only say that we of the South should consider him as our benefactor, for aiding most materially in giving to the negro his true position as an inferior race” (emphasis added). George Gliddon, co-editor of a famous scientific book Types of Mankind, (1854) which argued that Negroes were closer to apes than to humans and ranked all other groups between whites and Negroes, sent a copy of the book to a famous southern politician, saying that he was sure the south would appreciate the powerful support that this book gave for its “peculiar institution” (slavery). Like another famous tome (The Bell Curve, 1995) this was an 800-page book whose first edition sold out immediately; it went through nine other editions before the end of the century. What it said about the inferiority of blacks became widely known, even by those who could not read it.

    During discussions in the U.S. Senate on the future of “the negro” after slavery, James Henry Hammond proclaimed in 1858 “somebody has to be the mudsills of society, to do the menial duties, to perform the drudgery of life.” Negroes were destined to be the mudsills. This was to be their place, one consciously created for them by a society whose cultural values now made it impossible to assimilate them. In the many decades since the Civil War, white society made giant strides to “keep the negro in his place.” Public policies and the customs and practices of millions of Americans expressed this racial worldview throughout the twentieth century.

    These are some of the circumstances surrounding the origin of the racial worldview in North America. Race ideology was a mechanism justifying what had already been established as unequal social groups; it was from its inception, and is today, about who should have access to privilege, power, status, and wealth, and who should not. As a useful political ideology for conquerors, it spread into colonial situations around the world. It was promulgated in the latter half of the 19th century by some Europeans against other Europeans and reached its most extreme development in the twentieth century Nazi holocaust.

    All anthropologists should understand that “race” has no intrinsic relationship to human biological diversity, that such diversity is a natural product of primarily evolutionary forces while “race” is a social invention.

    • Three Finger Salute

      TL;DR

      …aaaaaaand this is why Republicans want to end PBS.

  • BadKitty904
    • Three Finger Salute

      I’d like to, but there don’t seem to be any around to thank.

      “Arbeit Macht Frei” -U.S. business motto

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        There’s a union where I work. I’m a member.

    • Ill-Advised

      Thank you, BadKitty!

      (Leaves ‘happy mix’ chamomile, ‘nip, and more ‘nip)

      • BadKitty904

        That works! *wallows*

  • Jeffocaster in the West

    So we end DACA and the fucking companies lose their cheap labor they exploit. Happy Labor Day.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      DACA does not provide cheap labor. DACA receipts saw their wages rise once they were able to come out of the shadows:

      “The study found that DACA recipients average hourly wages increased 42 percent, meaning more tax revenue and economic growth for all Americans. Beneficiaries were also able to advance their careers: 63 percent got higher-paying jobs, 49 percent got a job that better fit their education and training, and 48 percent got a job with better working conditions.”

      Thanks to DACA, Dreamers have higher salaries, more education access.”
      http://www.univision.com/univision-news/immigration/thanks-to-daca-dreamers-have-higher-salaries-more-education-access

      Here’s another article about Dreamers who are doctors or pursuing medical degrees:

      “DACA recipients are now pursuing advanced degrees and full-fledged careers. Sixty-five are in medical school in the United States, and approximately half of them are enrolled in the Loyola-Stritch School of Medicine in Chicago. The Atlantic spoke with these medical students and residents about the anxiety surrounding the future. “I think about it for about five seconds, I find it a little unbearable to think about, and then I forget about it because it just doesn’t fit in my brain,” says Marina DiBartolo, a medical resident at the University of Pennsylvania. “Right now, there’s no path to legalization.”

      What Will Happen to Undocumented Doctors?”
      https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/515466/what-will-happen-to-undocumented-doctors/

      • SeekingCovfefeBarbie

        If trump deports Dreamers, their jobs will be taken by unemployed coal miners and manufacturing workers! Because the Dreamers prevented them from getting an education, I guess. Or Magic.

      • BeachBum

        Totally agree. Their success is what is partly driving lazy, jealous, selfish white people behind Trump. Not to mention skin color, so I wont. If they all had to take jobs white Americans don’t want, no one would care. But they all don’t.
        But here’s the worst part ; they may be able to vote someday and for sure their children will, and before you know it, the whole country will be like Calliforniyay. But with out the 114 Community Colleges, the beaches. Redwood Forests. Yosemite. Silicon Valley. Hollywood. Disneyland. Wine Country.
        AND TACO TRUCKS ON EVERY CORNER 11 Um, sorry, :)

        • Three Finger Salute

          “I’ll see your white lab coat and raise it with a white hood!” -Trump voters

      • Three Finger Salute

        “We don’t need none of them stinkin’ doctors anyhow. Buncha heathen science nerds is what. Prayer solves everything. And if it doesn’t, and you die of cancer, well, hey, that’s just God’s will. He’s testing your resolve of faith.” -Murkans

        “We tried. There is no cure for stupidity.” -American Medical Association

  • BadKitty904
  • Doug Langley

    My Labor Day:

    Couple weeks ago was contacted by a place who’s hiring and very interested in me. Work at home, good pay. I absolutely met all requirements perfectly. I sent resume. They replied “amazing!” Got to do quick 2 minute phone interview. Waited for response so we could do longer interview. Finally got email “we regret to inform you . . .”

    I can’t take it. I can’t win. This world won’t let me. This awful file clerk job is coming to an end and I have nothing else lined up. I’m tired of fighting, fighting, fighting and getting only spit in the face.

    • foiled again

      I quit a mechanic job a couple days ago- the client has a habit of blithely and indiscriminately yanking jobs for laughs. Decided I would be proactive. Naturally, he behaved like a victim.

      • Doug Langley

        You do what you gotta do.

    • SeekingCovfefeBarbie

      Too many of us are suffering in this economy. From the You Can’t Win Corner: I and other people who are working past retirement age because we can’t afford to stop are blamed for not quitting so younger people can have our jobs while we’re worrying that Repubs will cut our SS and Medicare and leave us to die homeless and sick.

      • Doug Langley

        I understand. There is absolutely no way I can retire.

        • Maggielle

          I used to joke that the only thing “retirement” meant for me is when my car tires wear down too far. It used to be mildly amusing.

      • Doug Langley

        There’s a slim possibility that once SS starts rolling in a few years, I’ll be able to go back to community college and teach. But yeah, that makes a lot of assumptions.

    • BadKitty904

      Doug, I’m mighty sorry to hear about all this. I know you’ve been going through a rough stretch for a while now and I’m as sympathetic as I know how to be. I absolutely believe you can win, but that doesn’t put a roof over your head or food on your table right now.

      What can we do to help?

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7188a15cd1a554720f0e5ecd3d598b058b97e5158608ddf1369b7ac5aef1c35f.jpg

      • Doug Langley

        Love the pic.

        Good question. My gofundme is still active, but dropping some money in it doesn’t solve the problem. What I need is something in the Columbus area that doesn’t involve a 2 hour commute each day and doesn’t wear me to a frazzle physically. (I talked with landlady, still have a year on lease and if I move out still owe the full amount) Game plan: ask staffing agency if they can find something else, if not, extend current contract. They have tons of work to do, doubt they’ll say no.

        I have 2 more paychecks coming in, so good for halfway through the month. Just wish I could work things so I can find time to get back to the gym and work out tensions. Yesterday dug out some heavy bands I got from a gym and did some exercises. Last night slept great. That’s what I’ve been missing.

        • BadKitty904

          OK, good deal – that’s useful information, all, and def. shows you’ve got an interim plan. I’ll add:

          a.) When it comes to stress and tension, yes, physical exercise of ANY kind helps – walk, run, stretch, dig, clean house, chop wood, whatever;
          b.) I’m certain you’ve done this, but I’ll repeat it anyways – be extra sure everyone you know or have ever met knows you’re looking for work and keep reminding them – word-of-mouth is one of the bestest ways to find a job.

          • grindstone

            Seconded. It’s who you know. Always has been, still is. Rejections always hurt, even, for some damn reason, when it’s a job you didn’t even want. There’s always a sting.

          • Maggielle

            And in this case, it’s even more important to follow up, because the rejection was by an actual e-mail, not by dead silence. That means that somebody there is behind the wheel, and that person should know remember that the person they didn’t hire is competent, rational, responsible, and an excellent candidate.

          • Doug Langley

            I’ve been sparse with exercise because 1. get more than enough exhaustion at work 2. no time to go to gym 3. even if I could, can’t eat enough food to make up for it.

            If you’re interested in the gofundme, it’s:

            gofundme.com/dougs-expenses

          • BadKitty904

            Got it. Let’s see what we can do.

          • BadKitty904
    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i’m so sorry doug. Try to keep your chin up.
      Nothing worth having is ever easy and so on.

    • grindstone

      Oh shit, I’m sorry. Damn. Okay. Don’t despair, even though I know you’re exhausted. But please find a minute to do the following: drop them an email saying you received the rejection and okay, disappointed, but no worries, and a. to please keep you in mind for and near future openings, b., please pass along your res to anyone they might know who is looking. Anything to keep your name and res on someone’s desk and not in the round file.

      • Maclare 🌒

        This.

    • eggs ackly-wright

      Sympathy, bud. Wish I could help. Retired, health troubles, savings gonna run out in a couple of years…blech. Hope your situation improves.

    • Ill-Advised

      I hear that. I can’t stop looking, but it feels like there is a lot of work that I can’t get, because there’s some mysterious unwritten rule that everybody else knows. Or one weird trick I didn’t even know I had that no longer works.

  • Nounverb911
  • Rick Hill
    • Three Finger Salute

      He was a socialist. Many, many people don’t know that. People are going to be talking about him more and more, believe me.

  • Three Finger Salute

    What about AI and automation? Nobody but (who else) the Canadians is talking about — let alone taking action on — what to do about an economy or a society where the mere concept of human employment is literally obsolete. This is more than just a second Industrial Revolution. This is an unprecedented development and a massive existential crisis that completely and entirely upends our way of thinking about human existence and deriving meaning in life without a pliable trade or career. Never in the entire history of our species have our tools done the jobs themselves. There was always some type of organic flesh entity powering it in one way or another, whether human or animal (or humans who were treated worse than livestock).

    Canada just started a trial-run of a mincome program in Ontario, and I believe Nova Scotia and P.E.I. as well. ‘Course, the framework was more or less already there, and how serendipitous that Trudeau fils pretty much just had to dust off some of papa’s old paperwork in the drawers of the old maple desk. Trump, meanwhile, loves the poorly edumacated, never hires anyone smarter than he is, and wants to deport all the knowledge workers for failing the paper-bag immigration test to preserve the ditch-digger jobs that… the alabaster brown shirts think they’re too good for, and only want the paper-bag immigrants to do.

    But hey, fuck Canada, they’re apostate communists who hate us for our freedoms and blaspheme the infallible gospel of God’s invisible hand masturbating over the free market. Shame on them for outsmarting our politicians and winning all the time. (You don’t even need strong AI to outsmart American politicians. A rock with an Apple logo painted on it could do a much better job.)

    • mancityRed6

      this day and age of limited inventories and making stuff on command, it keeps me in my job.

      • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

        I often wonder what happens to the just-in-time supply chain if we have a pandemic, for example.

        • mancityRed6

          fucked? yeah, that’s what happens.

    • Lefty Wright

      Yeah, I have yet to hear about the impact of the possible $50 billion investment by Softbank Trump was lauding a few months ago. It was not a good thing (although it looks like it was just another empty promise). The stated goal of that was to improve automation and AI. Meaning not just loss of more blue collar jobs, but many white collar jobs. And not just entry level clerical positions. HR, operations, and financial positions could easily be replaced. The office workers had better start being concerned. They may be replaced by a computer soon.

    • Doug Langley

      Trust me, business owners don’t need robots to wreck jobs.

  • BadKitty904
  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Getting ready to head to work- good news is I get 1.5x for the day, thanks to the influence of IATSE on our industry (and yes I’m a member, despite living in a right to work for less state)

    • I have to work a half shift, but the site I’ll be working at is so beautiful that I don’t mind, plus it’s holiday pay.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Mine is a short day too, and in the entertainment biz weekend and holiday work is common.

    • Maclare 🌒

      Georgia?

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Bub, the cynical zombie
    • Bozilingus

      Report the parents for child abuse. No child under the age of 18 should be subjected to the horrors of sugared sodas.

    • mancityRed6

      that first drink of whiskey…

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        My son had that by accident a few weeks ago. He had a tartufo dessert and it wasn;t until he finished it I found out there was alcohol in it.

        Slept like a baby though.

        • mancityRed6

          you take a finger, dip it in and then rub it on their gums. helps with the teething, colic, and the terrible twos.

          • BillEGoatSmirk

            I had a friend growing up who was a little high strung. Until she was 9 or 10 y.o., her parents would often give her a shot of blackberry brandy before bed.

      • Suttree

        I chose the wrong first taste of liquor. It was Grand Marnier, and it tasted so good. It was all downhill from there.

        • mancityRed6

          for me it was scotch, and whiskey both. and this horrible stuff from China that smells like a tire fire.

          • Suttree

            My father used to travel to Russia rather frequently for work. He brought back some Russian “whisky” one time, that he immediately forgot about. It was the most vile shit that I ever drank. I’m pretty sure that it was made of watered down grain alcohol, food coloring coal tar, and pure hatred. Yes, I finished it.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        looks like my first time…with vodka.

        Never again.

        • mancityRed6

          oh, dear lord no. never straight. mixed.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            nah, we were having screwdrivers.
            It took me years to be able to tolerate orange juice again.

          • mancityRed6

            oh, baby. the store brand vodka and OJ in an empty sprite bottle was a thing for me.

  • foiled again

    A couple weeks ago I was thinking about when the media began to use the word ‘lie’ in reference to the President, when it was appropriate to do so, and when the word ‘evil’ might find its way in also.
    That would be today in Jennifer Rubin’s column in the Washington Post. Right there in the headline.

    • BadKitty904

      About gotdamn time.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Apparently, NPR hasn’t gotten the memo.

      • BadKitty904

        NPR = FOX “News” Lite

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          With shitty tote bags.

      • Ill-Advised

        When you’re paid to not understand something…

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg
    • mancityRed6

      they were good, way back in the day and before they cut their hair.
      but I do like that Trujillo is their bassist now, even if they did steal him from Suicidal.

  • BeachBum

    Thanks Doc great article.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Actually, yesterday was “Do As I Say Not As I Do – Day”

    https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/status/904688068065509377

    • Bill D. Burger
      • Christopher Story

        I do love a salty Christian

      • Alan

        I wouldn’t know where to find a bible. Library?

        • Bill D. Burger

          Any motel?

          • Alan

            Aha! Thanks.

          • Querolous

            Rocky? Is that you?

      • Doug Langley

        Nice.

      • Edith Prickly

        Biblical burn!

      • grindstone

        Nope. Not going there. That’s the same “imprecatory” prayer the horrible right used against Obama, using verse 9 as well: “May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow.”

        • Ill-Advised

          There’s a place in life for the cursing Psalms, though. Chapter 50 has done good ones.

          When the Devil quotes Scripture, the angels laugh at him.

    • eggs ackly-wright

      Betty is best.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    It’s Labor Day! Go watch ‘Norma Rae’ … Or maybe ‘Office Space.’

    9 to 5

    Matewan

    Bread and Roses

    …fuck it, just go through this list. Happy Labor Day, Wonkers!

  • BadKitty904
    • Red Bird

      By now everyone knows that Trump was elected due to white rage that was a direct result of having a black man as president for 8 years. They were voting for someone who could be the open racist they wanted to be.

  • redblack

    my contract with hod carriers’ and laborers’ international reads as such:

    No work shall be performed on Labor Day, except to preserve life or property.

    happy labor day, folks.

    thank you, dok, for preserving the memory of those who gave america the standards and benefits that so many of us take for granted, and which truly make this country a great place to have a job.

    • BadKitty904

      Amen, amen, amen. America has a middle class because of unions, not because of the “generosity” of Republican robber barons.

  • folderol

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5957d12721f48b5eae411c1af4e62ea13a612516f2e5908f7bd279656035c985.png

    The thing about Capitalism is that it worships Capitalists to the detriment of teachers, scientists, laborers, scholars, engineers, service workers, ….

    Yes, starting a business and making it successful is hard. It also requires a bit of luck and the right connections. Rewards should be commensurate. However, businessmen are not Job Creators, they are just midwives delivering supply to latent demand. Good on them!

    The whole topsy-turvy and perverse incentives that focus on short-term gains and lobbying to tilt the playing field against workers would not be so bad if we taxed inheritance exorbitantly. Yes, it’s natural to want to give your kids a boost, but for all the squawking from the 0.1% about ne’er-do-well welfare recipients, they’re perfectly happy to embrace private welfare for their unproductive kids. This includes Ivy League educations for members of their club, regardless of merit. I’m looking at you, Harvard.

    Obscene wealth (and it truly is obscene) invariably causes mischief with the politics that affect the rest of us.

    • jesterpunk

      The right has successfully convinced people the problem isnt the highest paid people its the ones below them that cause all the problems.

      • Three Finger Salute

        “If you can convince the poorest white man that he’s better than the poorest black man, he won’t see the rich man picking what’s left in his pockets.” -LBJ

        (Something like that. I may have mangled the quote but the sentiment is still there.)

    • yyyaz

      We passed “obscene” wealth 30 years ago. It is now criminally insane wealth, as toxic to society as it is to the holders.

    • bupkus231

      That figure shows the “Top 5%” – but the income growth amongst the Top 1% is even greater ( this graph, from CBPP, is scaled differently, but… ): https://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/files/styles/downsample150to92/public/atoms/files/incomegainstop_6-22-16-eh-rc-eb-2_450.png?itok=Gmn9Ipci

  • BadKitty904
  • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly
  • IdiokraticCulturalMarxist
  • Bill D. Burger

    And Putin’s Pawn celebrates Labor Day by threatening nearly a million law abiding young workers we desperately need.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DImbPyrWAAUeznG.jpg

    • Three Finger Salute

      Hurry up Macron! Send her to Canada!

  • Suttree

    Synthetic vanillan, yellow #5, and apparently many other artificial colors and flavors (I can’t find an actual list) come from coal tar.

    • (((Aron)))

      Coal tar is one of the most important discoveries of the past 150 years. Gave birth to the entire chemical industry.

  • Joe Beese

    A reunion of the Bletchley Park codebreakers, now in their 90s: arguably the most important* civilian contributors to the Allied victory in World War II.

    (* If anyone wants to reserve first place to the merchant marine that kept Britain alive during the Battle of the Atlantic, I won’t argue.)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIzUd_KW0AEMHcW.jpg

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      An incredible story.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      “You’re probably wondering why we’ve gathered you all here. Well, the fucking Nazis are back.”

      Stolen unashamed from someone on twitter that I can;t find anymore to give credit to.

      • OrdinaryJoe

        (Tnx)

    • Me not sure

      Not just Britain. My dad served in the Navy on convoy duty protecting merchant ships carrying food and war materials from the US to Murmansk, USSR. The passage was dangerous, sailing through submarine infested waters and air attacks from German bases in Norway. The Bletchly Park geniuses contributed a lot but they were largely safe from harm.

      • Joe Beese

        John Keegan:

        The 30,000 men of the British Merchant Navy (one-fifth of its pre-war strength) who fell victim to the U-boats between 1939 and 1945, the majority drowned or killed by exposure on the cruel North Atlantic sea*, were quite as certainly front-line warriors as the guardsmen and fighter pilots to whom they ferried the necessities of combat. Neither they nor their American, Dutch, Norwegian, or Greek fellow mariners wore uniform and few have any memorial. They stood nevertheless between the Wehrmacht and the domination of the world.

        • Me not sure

          Numerous ships of non-combatant nations in US ports were commandeered into service when war was declared. My Dad served on an anti-aircraft battery welded onto the deck of an Argentine merchant ship that happened to be in New York harbor when war broke out. The Argentine crew and captain served under a US Navy captain and were protected by Naval personnel to man the AA guns, and off these sailors from the tropics went to take lend-lease to Russia. They had to squeeze through the GIUK straits, where u-boats were waiting and fight off bombers from Norway without aircover.

      • BillEGoatSmirk

        My father was a Merchant Marine in WWII. He had a captain at some point who was revered by everyone because he had done the “run to Murmansk” more than any other captain. And survived.

        • Me not sure

          The runs made early in the war were deadly.

          • Joe Beese

            If I’m not mistaken, it was the most perilous branch in any Allied force in any theater of the war.

          • Me not sure

            Eventually escort carriers provided air support and made the trips safer, but the Battle of the Atlantic was every bit as important as any land battle in the European Theater.

          • Joe Beese

            Churchill famously said it was the only time he genuinely feared losing the war.

  • Jeffocaster in the West

    Today, let’s not forget Mother Jones. I visited the grave site and Memorial in Mt. Olive , IL. True hero, in a time when hero is a phrase thrown around a lot.

    • mancityRed6

      we stand on the shoulders of giants

  • BadKitty904
  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Gotta love Iron Stache. I’m going to really love it when he hands Paul Ryan his ass.
    https://twitter.com/IronStache/status/904709341768552448

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Christopher Story
    • BadKitty904

      No.

      • Christopher Story

        It was before our time, apparently.

        • BadKitty904

          Certainly not in the past 241 years…

          • bupkus231

            What were they before they established the Republican Party? Just fucking assholes, I guess….

          • BadKitty904

            Slavers, exploiters of child labor, etc.

          • Three Finger Salute

            George III.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      No, I sure don’t. Fuck, I barely recall when the Dems were the good ones, though people like Elizabeth Warren do their best to remind me.

    • Alan

      Nope.

    • OutOfOrbit

      no

    • Three Finger Salute

      The party of Eisenhower is dead.

    • yyyaz

      Even Will Rogers, PBUH, couldn’t remember that.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Sorry, this is the Goatee Timeline, now. We were kidnapped from the other timeline.

    • Zyxomma

      Historically, sure. In my lifetime, never!

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    PS: as long as we’re talking labor organizing history, don’t forget the Homestead strike. Maybe if Western Pennsylvanians had remembered their history, they wouldn’t have voted for the Orange Charlatan FFS…

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Maybe if Western Pennsylvanians all of America had remembered their history…

      FIFY

  • Bill D. Burger

    Jeebus workin’ in Houston…..the work never ends.

    https://twitter.com/DeaconFred/status/903756893918810113

    • mancityRed6

      pastor and a deacon? yeah, no.

      • (((Aron)))

        He’s both AND MORE!

        • mancityRed6

          call right now and you’ll get….

    • Villago Delenda Est

      There is so much fail here.

      • (((Aron)))

        Look at which church he preaches ;)

    • bupkus231

      Deacon Fred is from Landover Baptist Church

      Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_Baptist_Church

      • (((Aron)))

        Ding ding ding!

    • DainBramage

      Oh, thank god! That is a parody.

    • Sophie McMillan

      The number of people in FB cursing this and telling him he is not a real Christian is truly mind boggling

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Thanks for the satire warning. That saves me from having a ranting fit like I’m prone to do since I am having an abysmal time telling the fucking difference between satire and unmitigated outrageous bullshit anymore.

      If The Onion were to quietly change their format to just reporting WTF is going on, I feel like I wouldn’t even notice.

  • BadKitty904
  • RMKH

    https://youtu.be/_EIYL7yzUFE

    So tired I don’t think that I can make it

    • bupkus231

      Wow – that’s the first time I’ve ever seen a “It’s a Beautiful Day” piece posted anywhere. I inherited an LP of theirs from my sister, back in the 70s, when she left a bunch of albums behind when moving. I just remember, because I thought “It’s a Beautiful Day” was the album title, not the band name….

      • RMKH

        For those of us of a certain age (aka Oldz), It’s a Beautiful Day was part of the growing up process.

        • Lefty Wright

          White Bird was one of my favorite songs back then.

        • eggs ackly-wright

          I associate this time with Quicksilver Messenger Service, Shady Grove.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      I swear it seems like Obama was president 900 years ago.

  • Bill D. Burger

    One worker didn’t make it. He died trying to help his fellow Houstonians. His body was recovered yesterday.

    https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/904533632265662464

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Apparently his mother, who lives in Mexico, was turned back at the border when she went to claim her boy’s body to bury him.

      https://twitter.com/ProPublica/status/904557396340637696

      • OrG

        WTF!

      • Bill D. Burger
      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        Heartbreaking. How can they be so cruel?

        • UncleTravelingMatt

          Would a tax cut for people who make more money than you do make you feel any better?

          • Martini Ambassador 🍸

            I guess. They are my betters and deserve it, after all.

      • BadKitty904

        Thanks, Republicans!

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        I can’t take any more stories about the New Cruelty. We need to start a movement for kindness and good sense and decency in this fucking hellhole they’re turning this country into. Who’s with me?

  • Rick Hill

    Down the road to Union Station running through the fog
    I thought I saw Joe Hill last night grinning like a dog
    “I understand they did you in for everyone to see”
    He smiled – shook his head – “that’s a lie,” said he
    “I been on a mountain top observing from a cloud
    Been in the hearts of workers milling with the crowd
    My tears are shed for freedom and equality of means
    My blood and perspiration oil the gears of your machine”

    https://aflcio.org/sites/default/files/inline-images/Joe-Hill_medium.jpg
    https://aflcio.org/about/history/labor-history-people/joe-hill

  • mancityRed6
  • mancityRed6

    did I tell you that my mom’s dad was called Doc?

    • Red Bird

      You just did.

      • mancityRed6

        that’s right.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      Are you… Marty?

      • mancityRed6

        could be, don’t tempt me.

    • janecita

      I read it online, it must be true!

    • Raan

      Heads up, extremely NSFW content.

      https://youtu.be/lLoGUsT_KXo

      • mancityRed6

        there is a definite back to the future theme

  • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

    Why this professor is wearing a bulletproof vest to class https://t.co/OMoW78qRFo— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) September 4, 2017

    • WeaselPoo

      Like the conservative student said, the professor should have done his research; a .44 Magnum is not recommended by experts as a concealed weapon, therefore he is a stupidhead who is stupid and such as, also.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        “CHECKMATE ATHETITS,” the student added, silently.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Or perhaps, just perhaps the professor is wearing a bullet proof vest to make a statement. In that case, pedantic details would detract from and further dilute the message.

      • doktorzoom

        He’ll make up for it with a pop quiz asking the difference between a clip and a magazine.

        • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

          Easy-peasy: one goes in your hair, and the other keeps you company on the john.

  • BadKitty904
    • Oh, hey. I had the same thought.

      • BadKitty904

        Great minds. There’s two more of these great ads on YouTube – post the 1981 version!

  • Vincent Ricola

    Happy Fuck Scott Walker Day everyone!

    • (((Aron)))

      Hooray!

    • Three Finger Salute

      I am a crazy person who does not care about Scott Walker.

      Well, I “care” in that I can’t dismiss how destructive he is and those who share his ideology. But do I “care” about him, feel any sympathy for him? No.

  • OrG

    I’ll be wearing my Eugene V. Debs t-shirt today.

    • OrG

      If you don’t know who that is, it’s because you’re not supposed to. Look him up.

      • doktorzoom

        Kurt Vonnegut made damn sure his readers knew who Eugene Debs was :)

        • OrG

          Come to think of it, that’s probably how I learned about him. And I’m from Terre Haute, Indiana. His home town. I’d heard the name but they didn’t tell you who he was and why he was important.

          • redblack

            i’m from the cornfield east of indy, and even in that republican stronghold, we learned about debs’ (5?) runs at the white house – in public school, no less.

        • Zyxomma

          So did John dos Passos.

    • janecita

      “The most heroic word in all languages is revolution.”

    • Three Finger Salute

      Bernie narrated a documentary about him in the 80s(?). He should have known right then and there that he had no chance of getting anywhere near the White House for just that reason alone. This is, and will always be, Reaganlandia.

  • IdiokraticCulturalMarxist

    On minimum wage, unions and how rethug legislators are working to destroy workers rights. http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/labor/349117-working-americans-need-15-and-a-union-in-this-economy

    • BadKitty904
    • OrG

      What good is a “job” if you’re barely surviving, not living.

      • Zyxomma

        I’d still like to have one. The temp agencies give me work when I sign on, then give it to others so they can be seen as “growing.” They suck. They take at least half what the company pays, and it’s soul sucking work when I can get it.

        • bookish

          Been there, done that. Agree.

    • jesterpunk

      So many people over there arguing unions are bad and siding with the companies.

  • Relativicus

    You’d think for all the trouble it took to achieve what we won, it would be at least as hard to lose it all. Show’s what you know.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • BMW

      “Martin Luther King was a Republican.”
      -people who haven’t seen this picture

  • Lefty Wright

    I do have one question. How many union members, or former union members, voted for Trump and the Republicans in 2016? And stretching out further, how many voted for the Republicans since 1980. It’s not like the GOP hasn’t made their opinion of unions known, but some people are just deaf to their own interest when the fires of bigotry are stoked in them.

    • The Librarian
      • Zyxomma

        Well, that was depressing. Thanks, Librarian.

        • The Librarian

          Yeah, I was bummed out too.

    • efoveks

      Most do not understand how the union benefits them. The GOP has made a strong case for unions making it difficult to fire bad employees. It completely ignores that most employees are good, hardworking people as well as that most “bad” employees started off as good ones, and that for most of these, the “bad” is temporary (death, divorce, major illness are some of the root causes for them becoming “bad”).

      • Vincent Ricola

        The steady diet of “violent union thugs subverting your freedums” propaganda was successful with too many workers. Divide and conquer the peasants seemed to have worked. :(

      • II Gosala

        On the basis of nothing but personal experience, if say the root cause of most bad employees is bad management.

      • suziq

        That is so true. And yes, sometimes it is hard to get rid of bad union employees-like crazy cops etc, but non-government unions are not like that. I could fire anyone at any time for any reason, just like in the non-union world. Okay, there are a few exceptions, like if they fail a drug test you have to re-hire them after they go through drug treatment. But then if they are a crummy worker you can fire them after you hire them again.

    • OrG

      Mrs. G is in a union and has co-workers say “what has the union ever done for me?”
      She says”quit and get a non-union job”
      None of them ever has.

      • suziq

        And also too-YOU ARE the union, idiots! Union just means the workers are united and decide what is going to be in the contracts they vote on. If you don’t like your union rep get a different one or get involved your own self.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      A UPS guy came into the office the day after the election. He couldn’t wait to smugly inform us that he voted for Trump. I informed him that as a Teamster with an expiring contract, he probably shouldn’t be so smug.

      • efoveks

        Lawyers. They are “difficult people” because they insist on knowing and explaining how the law actually works, not how people think it should work!

        UncleTravelingMatt: 1 UPSGuy: 0

  • Me not sure

    OT(?): I just heard the President say “I respect the fact that I believe that the North Koreans have come to respect us more.” What the fuck does that even mean?

    • Christopher Story

      He has a very high regard for his own opinions

      • Me not sure

        For no apparent reasons.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Written more bluntly, he likes the smell of his own farts.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Word salad is the only salad he’s ever touched in his life. But it comes out of his mouth, not goes in it. (You can’t explain that.) Literally everything Trump says is a tale told by A Idiot, full of fart noise and fury, signifying nothing.

      • Me not sure

        I feel that we shall, as a nation, suffer from “contact stupidity” for decades after he’s gone

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Just another verbal covfefe.

    • The Librarian

      “My mind is brilliant, I respect my mind, NK does too, so should you”

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      I will tell you when I reach expert level in Drunkenees later today.

      • Me not sure

        Call me, …we’ll talk.

      • efoveks

        I’m working this afternoon, so have one for me! :D

      • redblack

        “drunkenness” or “drunkenese?”

        either one works; just trying to clarify.

        • Robbertjan Brandenburg

          Drunkenese. :)

    • BadKitty904

      Nothing. Same as most everything else the Traitor says.

    • Doug Langley

      First he dumps on the South Koreans. Now he respects the North Koreans. This conversation is taking a nasty turn.

      • Me not sure

        I once heard a woman on a cell phone, say “Well,…it ain’t not like we don’t gotta go.” It is starting to sound right to me, after only 8 months of a Trump Presidency.

      • Three Finger Salute

        “Korean Abdul-Jabbar? I thought I put that guy on the travel ban list!”

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      It means he respects the fact that respect is respectable in certain respects.

      • Me not sure

        Something, with all due respect, that we can all get behind. MAGA!

  • OutOfOrbit

    one more curse we can lay on the grave of Ronnie Raygun: recall the Federal Air Contolers

    • Zyxomma

      Raygun’s busting of PATCO really had shit to do with air traffic control. The postal workers were threatening to strike, and he wanted to show them he had the ability to bust a federal union. I wish I believed in hell, so I could take some satisfaction in knowing he’s burning eternally.

      • Serai 1

        You don’t have to believe in hell. You only have to know that HE believed in it.

  • BrianW

    We can’t discuss union movies without mentioning “Matewan.”

  • mancityRed6

    I just spent the last few minutes trolling on the ex’s facespace timeline.
    she friended me, dammit. she deserves to be called out on spuds mckenzie.

  • Grew up watching these:

    Look for the Union Label – ILGWU ads :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lg4gGk53iY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO7VUklDlQw

    Don’t read the comments. Every union hater on earth shows up there.

    ~~~

    • BrianW

      I remember these! I just wish more people did.

    • Zyxomma

      I wear vintage clothing, so many items in my wardrobe bear the Union label.

    • Three Finger Salute

      My grandmother was an ILGWU member. Never liked Reagan. In a way, she’s lucky she died (made it all the way to 97) before she could see Trump become the Oaf of Office.

      My aunt? Total hypocrite. Fox News devotee who worked as a civilian employee for the federal government and complains about paying taxes and pretty much anything that gives a helping hand to poor or working-class people. Went on vacation to Canada in the ’70s and said she loved it, but now, she can’t stand “that left-wing, French bastard Trudeau.” Uh… Didn’t Fucker Carlson remind you of who his papa was? And not Castro either…

      She never married or had kids, and just lets her tax-funded (!!!) pension pile up and pile up until she dies. She is not only a bitch who treated my mother and me horribly when trying to get away from the abusive environment my father created. She’s also A Idiot who named my grandmother as the beneficiary. But, dumb like a Fox in that she got hers, and would rather let it evaporate than see my mother — or anyone else for that matter — get a dime.

      My grandmother didn’t raise her this way. My mother was also much kinder to her in her final days than my aunt, who saw her as a burden and always used to get in fights with mom about shoving her off to a nursing home. (As long as my aunt didn’t have to be the one to pay for it. But since my mother can’t anyway, grandma died at home.) By the way, guess who gets the survivor benefits from grandma’s union pension. The one who hates unions.

      • efoveks

        On the bright side, you get to burn the witch when she dies.

      • Zyxomma

        You have my sympathy. Unfortunately, we don’t get to choose our family. Fortunately, we can choose our friends.

    • Serai 1

      But too many Americans are too dense to realize the lies they’ve been told about unions. I can’t get over how WILLING they are to be pissed on, lied to, and used.

  • Maclare 🌒

    Well, in about an hour I will have to put on PANTS and get my freelancing non-IATSE ass to work. Yay. This will prob get me $5.00 hr + free donuts. And the satisfaction of a job well done. Happy Labor Day!

  • memzilla Ω
    • BadKitty904

      Good job, Mem – you just made the Big Cat, who was glancing over my shoulder, laugh… :0)

  • Covfefe
    • motocat

      I was just there last week. It’s awesome in person.

    • bupkus231
      • Covfefe

        OMG. You’re right. Cringe edit above.

        • Persistent Demme

          You’re not alone.
          I always do that, too.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      “Where in the world fuck is Diego Garcia?”

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        The closest place to nowhere. Anywhere.

      • eggs ackly-wright

        Indian ocean.

    • Steve Cole

      Really? I have been to Diego Garcia many times and not seen this. Island is small, where is this hidden?

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    On Labor Day, I drink a toast to my grandpa Bill (Carpenters & Joiners, Local 59) and my friend’s dad Ray (United Mine Workers, Local 1713). Then, I recall with fondness the tears and the screaming and the threatened lawsuits of Mom’s Buchanan-Santorum-Cruz-loving sister when she saw the symbol of the Carpenters & Joiners on Wild Bill’s headstone.

    • Maclare 🌒

      lawsuits?

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        She was going to sue EVERYBODY to get the headstone removed.

        • Maclare 🍩☕

          That’s… nuts.

        • Ill-Advised

          Dear God. Um, should I ask what happened?

          • UncleTravelingMatt

            Nothing. Mom’s family is nothing if not lazy.

    • janecita

      Your aunt sounds like a royal bitch.

  • Anna Rompage

    Joyest of Labor Days, now don’t forget, if you clock in more than 3 minutes late, you’ll be written up and given a warning. 3 warnings and you’ll be terminated.

    Also, we’ll be starting our employee sponsored holiday food drive soon. Please donate food items so that your fellow Wal Mart Sales Associates can enjoy a bountiful Thanksgiving…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/236d201a1bd7bfddd22013e53860e0150f5edf1c1c76dd43d8ef6e75d556e43f.jpg

  • Wolf Tracker

    Just curious: How many of you work for a union or want to?

    I have never worked for a Union and I have mixed feelings about unions based on how they have treated startup businesses that compete with them

    Not saying Unions are bad and just looking for some different perspectives.

    • Anna Rompage

      I worked in a union while working at Powells Books.

      I have mixed feelings about that particular experience. On one hand, the pay was decent, we got annual cost of living increases, and the health insurance was great.

      On the other hand, it seemed like there was a lot of sniping that happened between the union and management, and the gung-ho progressive anarchists in the union were nearly as insufferable as the militant, fixed gear riding, chain smoking vegans that make up a bit of portland… come to think of it, most of the anarchist union members were part of the militant, fixed gear riding, chain smoking, militant vegans…

      • Zippy49

        Didn’t that Union have elections to choose it’s own management? Perhaps yours is a minority opinion?

        • Anna Rompage

          The union did hold elections in regards to choosing their leadership.

          Personally it was a bit of a bummer to feel like my wage & compensation package was stifled by belonging to the union…

          I have a pretty decent educational background, a rather stellar job history, and felt like the labor contract we had kept me from reallymaking the wages I should have been making for the work I was doing.

          Granted, it was probably a great contract for the average cashier, or retail employee, but it was a bummer to felt like I was being penalized for bringing an advanced & specialized skill set into the company, and not having the maneuverability to negotiate additional compensation for the savings I brought to the company.

          For example, the book carts and mobile displays we used used to cost us about $1000-$1300 a piece.

          I was about to get the cost down, including labor, to $350 a pop.

          Seeing that we made several hundred of these every year, it was a substantial savings, not to mention the high end specialty fixtures I was designing, building and installing.

          • Ill-Advised

            That’s serious money you saved (could have saved?) them. Damn. Did it not happen?

            I found preventable costs to the tune of five figures monthly in a non-profit, and I was the first one they let go.

            I hear that it was six months before they got around to implementing the cost savings.

            For all the fussing I hear about fiscal stewardship, it sure seems like something else is really what matters.

    • mancityRed6

      the union at the shop in Wales was full of Williams’ and Jones’
      but they kept the Fridays at time and a half, and Saturdays and Sundays at double time.
      if I had stuck around longer, I would have joined.

    • II Gosala

      A very long time ago, I helped organize a union of graduate students. The issues were pretty basic: decent wages, benefits equivalent to other state workers, and, because we were graduate students, better training and supervision as teachers. The details have faded with time.

      I’m not sure what you’re looking for, and I’m really perplexed by your statement about start ups.

      Maybe elaborate a little?

      • Wolf Tracker

        In some states certain work like construction and remodeling can only be done by Union workers which keeps out startup businesses.

        • Zippy49

          What utter nonsense. Hire Union workers!

        • II Gosala

          How so? Because union workers are too expensive for the start up?

          • Wolf Tracker

            California has Builders exchanges which is basically all union controlled. Try to start a small remodeling business in CA without being in that exchange and using Union workers and someone will report you and get you shut down with possible criminal charges.

            https://www.calbx.com/calif-regulations/

          • bupkus231

            Those Exchanges are NOT unions – and considering that many sections of that website deal with “startup” companies joining the exchanges makes your assertion that they keep out new business sound like bullshit.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Oh yes they are a form of union. You want to get personal so no need to continue the discussion.

          • bupkus231

            Hmmm – Now I remember you.

            We had a “discussion” before – and in much the same vein, I felt you were uninformed and wrongly opinionated, and instead of any kinda give, you just claimed to have been insulted and kept up your bullshit.

            You’re right, no need to continue this discussuin, either.

          • Wolf Tracker

            AND you are just part of the same clique that has stalked me for weeks now.

          • Ill-Advised

            Well, I see where’s he’s going. It’s reasonable to expect that a new business capitalizes itself sufficiently. That does mean different things in different states. I do think that unless early employees are willing and able to take ownership shares, they should be paid according to the law. And better, of the law itself unfairly discriminates and the business wants good people that will stay.

            ETA: Number #1 new businesses fail isn’t about unions, it’s about capital. I tried this myself, once.

          • UncleTravelingMatt

            I’m not following you. Your complaint seems to be that you can’t do business without being allowed to pay lower wages than everyone else is required to.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Not about wages as much as not even being allowed to bid on contracts. Not all no union businesses pay less than union prescribed wages and some pay more.

          • UncleTravelingMatt

            My brother-in-law has one of those non-union businesses — in another state, no less — that pays better than union shops. He has never had a bit of trouble bidding on (and being awarded) work in California, and structural steel is one of the most heavily organized trades.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Are you sure he isn’t member of the Business Exchange in CA and agrees to put on so many Union workers for a project?

            These changes are fairly recent and I know small construction and remodel businesses have complained alot.

          • Serai 1

            Yes, you’re not allowed to bid on contracts because there’s no guarantee that you’re paying your workers commensurate rates. See how that works? Or should we draw a graph?

          • Wolf Tracker

            You are just getting personal and argumentative. No need to discuss further.

          • Serai 1

            Oh, so if someone explains to you WHY the thing you’re complaining about is happening, it’s “personal and argumentative”? You know, I thought you were an asshole the other day when you first showed up, but gave you a chance anyway. Now I see that Maya Angelou’s words were right, and I should have believed you the first time.

            *BLOCKS*

            Have fun wanking on your own, asshole.

          • Wolf Tracker

            You are just the same clique that has been harassing and stalking me for weeks now so stop pretending.

            Blocked.

          • II Gosala

            Interesting article, thanks again. But, it sends to me that it is simply saying that California has more and peculiar laws related to construction and attempts to orient people to them.

            We can argue about the wisdom of this or that regulation, but do we at least agree that the overall purpose is to protect workers, homeowners and even contractors from the consequences of shoddy work by incompetent workers hired by corner cutting contractors?

            Can we agree that putting purple in danger ought too be illegal?

            But, I noticed particularly the phrase “union controlled” in your post. To me that has undertones of “mafia controlled.” Did you mean to suggest that, or is it just my own idea?

          • Wolf Tracker

            Oh I agree that Unions fought long and hard to get workers rights and helped establish Fed laws like fair labor act and discrimination laws but they can also become so powerful that only union labor is allowed which creates a monopoly that prevents new businesses from competing and people from getting jobs..

            CA and NY have a lot of those businesses where you can not get a job without belonging to a Union or start a business that would compete with Unions.

          • BeachBum

            If nothing was done under the table, and all labor and safety laws were observed, and they paid equal or MORE in wages, I would be very surprised they would get shut down.
            I have noticed that during recessions in CA that everyone with a hammer thinks they can claim unemployment and work under the table. Too many people are too willing to save a buck and cooperate.
            If a poor job is done, there is no recourse. I think its to insure some level of competency and the reputation of the industry. Its not a perfect system.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Shouldn’t the consumer have that ability to choose who does that work for them as long as the business is licensed?

          • BeachBum

            A license only means some $ was paid. So in this case, no.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Why?

          • BeachBum

            Dude really ? Come on man ! If you’ve lived a while, think about the times you put down big chunks of money and what protections and guarantees you needed. If you are young, go to the library and research Tort Law, sub Constrution.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Probably older than you and have owned 3 business and now semi-retired so the personal attack will not work.

          • BeachBum

            It was not a personal attack. Sorry if you thought it was. I was hoping you could answer your own question. I may have put it a wee tad bluntly.

          • Wolf Tracker

            No it was a personal attack.

            I asked for your explanation of why a consumer should not be able to choose a business that is licensed to do that work even if they do not use union employees?

            Belonging to a Union in no way guarantees employees are better qualified and in many cases they get into a union because they are family of union members not because they are good employees.

          • BeachBum

            I stand by my previous answer and the Socratic Method.

          • Wolf Tracker

            OK then.

          • Serai 1

            That’s exactly the type of thinking that’s swept away workers’ protections. So NO.

          • Wolf Tracker

            So you want to take away consumers rights to choose who they have do work for them?

            We have Fair labor laws and anti-discrimination laws even without Unions.

          • Serai 1

            Yeah, and they are SO WELL ADMINISTRATED that workers don’t need any help.

            Jesus Christ, you really ARE an asshole.

          • Wolf Tracker

            AND now blocked.

          • BeachBum

            Yes. Well. Ok then.

          • redblack

            from your link:

            “Contractors doing commercial work in California benefit from the training and information provided by all Builders Exchanges. Looking for a contractor who takes their work seriously? Look for a contractor who is a member of a Builders Exchange!”

            it appears this does not apply to residential builders or remodelers. and from your link (and subsequent links) it appears the only wage law you have to comply with is paying your workers $10 per hour if you provide them tools, and $20 if they provide their own.

            having said that, do you plan on bidding commercial buildings? because i have to tell you, i really am uncomfortable with non-union contractors building commercial structures over 5 stories.

        • zeusspeaks

          Actually, that’s not true. There is no right for any federal, state or local government to crowd-out non-union contractors. And that certainly isn’t true in any case in private sector contracting unless the contracting party decides to only use union labor-which would be their right because, well “private”. There are prevailing wage laws only require the payment of a “prevailing wage” which is determined through a formula-and that doesn’t actually mean a “union scale” is required. There are likely any number of reasons some smaller businesses or “start-ups” didn’t get a go on their bids-perhaps no real work history for the size of project bid, better bids from others, etc. But paying a prevailing wage doesn’t keep a contractor from getting a bid, unless they plan on paying sub-standard wages for public works projects. That’s something no decent American could support.

          • UncleTravelingMatt

            Yup.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Well, not here to argue and you can read here about CA builders exchanges.

        • suziq

          I started a business in construction 20 years ago, and signed a contract with the local union (because my husband was in it). In my case I saw both sides to make an informed decision. My husband stayed in the union and worked for me. He is now retired with a local pension, national pension and a 401k. Plus social security of course. I just get SS, because I was management and not in the union. If not for all his pension money we would be living in a crummy apartment instead of being able to keep our nice house. Also too-no Obamacare for us, union has an optional health insurance plan. Compared to what else we could get it was better for the same price as other plans not union-subsidized. Yes, sometimes I did not like the way they did things and some times I think they hurt themselves when they vote raises in a bad economy but the union is just the workers united. They decide what to do by voting so if you are not happy with what is going on in your union then get involved and go to the meetings etc. There is no place where a new company has to be union. Even to get government contracts, which no new company would be able to get because you have to have a history, you just have to pay prevailing wage.

          • Wolf Tracker

            CA has unionized all construction businesses through Business Exchange in NY there are certain businesses you can not work at or start unless you are part of a union.

          • suziq

            Wow, I had not heard that! Not sure how they can even do that but very interesting. Now I will have to go look it up and see what it is all about. Just because I find it interesting-I am not going to un-retire. You know, a better option just might be to have higher wages and better benefits for all. And a NLRB that is good and does good. Crazy talk.

          • suziq

            I was just looking that up, that is not correct. California tried to pass one of the “right to work” (for less) laws but it was soundly defeated.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      I do. Without it I would have no vacation, high healthcare premiums, no retirement, and forget about any cost of living raise. (and we still can’t find people to do my job.)

    • Zyxomma

      I come from a family of union members, apart from younger sister and me. I’ve always wanted to join a union, but never had the right kind of job. Now I’m struggling to find enough temp work to keep the roof over my head. I traded in my modem this weekend so the internet won’t cut off while I’m taking a timed proofreading test so I’ll qualify to work at home (which saves on transportation and food, and I won’t have to wear pants) for what amounts to babysitting money. Yes, I’m one of the disposable underemployed now. With word processing departments in international law firms now operating out of Chennai instead of NY, I’ll be glad to pass the proofreading test so at least I’ll have SOME income. I have to work four more quarters on the books to qualify for minimum Social Security benefits, if there’s any SS left. I’m grateful for my vibrant, perfect health (and also glad my state expanded Medicaid eligibility so I get that and a supplemental health care policy), but I’d really love to have a job. A real one.

      • SeekingCovfefeBarbie

        Try not to take early SS if at all possible, you get so much less when you do. After I got laid off it took me 6 months to find another job (with the state). I’m making less than I used to, but still feel it’s better to delay taking SS for now. Although I do worry that it will be saved, I’m hoping the Boomers will be big and strong enough to save it. I’ve paid into it for 50 years!

        • Zyxomma

          I can’t see myself taking anything till I’m 70 or more. I worked too many fucking freelance jobs. Yes, I’ve kept my health, but I’d still like to work as many quarters as possible on the books before I ha-ha “retire.” Actually, I plan on working till I drop dead.

          • SeekingCovfefeBarbie

            I’m looking at 70, too. But many days I wish I didn’t have to. I just didn’t understand about retirement when I was younger, and by the time I did, the recession ruined my plans for “recovery.

          • H0mer0

            upfist because it’s true for most of us.

    • grindstone

      I’ve always lived in right to work states and have never been union because it’s never been offered. My mom was union in a federal job (the VA) and they protected her when she was terminally ill, and provided many ways for her to take time off without detriment (time off swaps, banked time off, etc).

      The companies I’ve worked for have had unions in other locations and I’ve had mixed results. The Canadian union and union employees were terrific. The French union employees…well….maybe it wasn’t the union, but nothing ever got done in that shop. The big joke back in the states was that every French employee’s voice mail message was “Eet ees a holiday, we are not een.”

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Grandpa was union, and they took care of him after he had to take a disability retirement due to asbestos exposure. Dad’s union (mail carrier), and they’ve stuck up for him when the USPS tried to screw him out of his job a couple times due to on-the-job injuries.
      My last and current job are not union, though my pay and benefits are based on union contracts, because I am privy to confidential information about collective bargaining, and my current job is “management”. I like to think we have a good relationship with our unions (we have 5 that we bargain with), but sometimes they really test that relationship by going overboard to prove to their membership that they’ll “stand up to management”.

      • grindstone

        “sometimes they really test that relationship by going overboard to prove to their membership that they’ll “stand up to management”.”

        This was really the only sticking point that our company had with the unions we bargained with. The unions would pick a fight just to have a fight, from time to time. And then the weirdest subset of workers would go out on strike. But I will say this: having unions in the states MAY have preserved what was left of our pensions. The Canadian workers screwed over by the Chapter-11-break-up of our company came out much better than we did (or will, when it finally makes it through the courts).

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          Yeah, we just got done with one who picked a fight about time off for “Association Business”, even though we bend over backwards to ensure that anything that requires meeting with the union (whether it be disciplinary meetings, meetings about changing working conditions, or staffing changes) is scheduled so that the union reps don’t need to take time off from their work.

      • Persistent Tennessee Rain

        His union is also the reason why workers became aware of the hazards of asbestos exposure in the first place. Companies new since the 1930s of the dangers of asbestos, but it wasn’t until unions became aware, because Dr. Irving Selikoff contacted them and they took action.

    • Jeffocaster in the West

      In general Unions work for the worker’s good. They were created in a time of labor abuse and made great strides in affecting change and protections to workers. As things like worker safety (OSHA) and the EPA codified what unions accomplished, they didn’t evolve as well as they should have. At the local level, I watched Union stewards harass the local management about issues, while pertinent, they could do nothing about. I was on both sides, and as the workplace changed unions did not keep up well. I support them now and feel the country is ripe for them to take up arms against the lack of respect and the need for decent wage for the massive underemployed.

      • Wolf Tracker

        I agree in general the principles of Unions re good and have fought hard for better wages and working conditions that have helped people even those not in Unions. The Fair Labor laws and workplace discrimination laws are all a result of Union pressure on government.

    • BeachBum

      I worked in retail, wholesale, telecom, hotel, food and beverage, and customer service and every place I worked would have benefitted little or greatly with a union. BTW its not that I cant hold a job, I’m just old.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      I have, I think, a unique perspective. I worked in movies, both union (well, technically a day player, so I did union gigs when there were no union members available) and mostly independent.

      On indy films we worked for 16 hours and got cold tortillas and chicken (on one gig) or taco bell (on another).

      I too was shocked on union gigs. the bosses would fuck around and we just stood around counting the penalty pay. (we were even served shark steaks at lunch once).

      I PREFER union gigs FAR AND FUCKING AWAY. A union gig was once cancelled on us. Somehow me and another dude showed up cause nobody told us. We got paid for 8 hours.

      I think it can get crazy, and corrupt of course, but if the “job creators” wanna play free-market ball, i say, let’s fucking play.

      • Wolf Tracker

        Then how does that benefit the consumer which is the people wanting that film made or the end consumer the people paying to watch that production as it seems is would drive up costs for both and only the largest film makers could afford that?

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          first of all – fuck the consumer. I can count the number of days I worked eight hours or less on…my dick.

          If the production company wanted us to get the work done in a certain time frame, they paid us for it. End of story.

          This is the same argument that trapped me in bullshit productions with shit food and 24 hour shoots. You want exposure! It’s on your resume!
          And this was back when you had to use film and get processing and prints. Digital filmmaking has opened up the doors to EVERYONE to make a good movie.

          I don’t have a problem with paying workers and treating them well “driving up the cost of a ticket” – even though one might argue that has more to do with the stars and directors. (Somebody once did hte math on Arnold’s salary for terminator or terminator 2. He got paid something like $1M per line). Often, the PR budget for a movie is more than the budget for a movie.

          I’m sorry, but this is dumping the responsibility for the price of a product on the lowest and least responsible people.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Hmmm? “first of all – fuck the consumer.”

            I think we are all consumers as well as producers but I will just leave that there.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            yes, but you pay a ticket for a movie (not exactly food or shelter) and sit in a comfy theater.

            I (we) were out in the cold, 50 feet in the air, subject to fumes, up all night, and many other dangers. I was almost crushed by a set piece. A stuntman just died on a movie set a week ago.

            I EARNED that money.

    • Serai 1

      Best job in terms of conditions and benefits I ever had was a union job. Do not believe the bullshit. Unions are great for their workers.

      • Wolf Tracker

        Why don’t you still work for one if I may ask?

    • Ms.Moon

      My job is union and I love it. The difference between a union job and non union job can be terrifying. I work in an old building there is construction going on but because this is an old building there is asbestos. We have warning signs up, the rooms being worked on are sealed because the construction people are union as well. My parents work at non union jobs there is construction going on as well. There is also an old building, but because this place is non union the workers aren’t told there is asbestos abatement going on and the non union workers in at least one case there may be others were not told they were handling asbestos and weren’t given any protection for handling dangerous materials.

      • Wolf Tracker

        OK but the laws to notify workers exist and so do fair labor laws and every state has site inspections so if that is going on it sounds more like a failure of the state to enforce existing laws to protect the employees.

        I want to see all employees protected regardless of union membership and that should be a standard for all businesses.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          1) all workers are protected, to a degree.
          2) the point is, unions and labor agitators made that happen.

          • Wolf Tracker

            I have said Unions helped establish the laws for fair labor and anti discrimination a few times here.

            If those laws exist and are being enforced why then do we need unions?

            Not saying unions can not also exist but should unions for all business be the goal or is the goal to provide all employees with safe working conditions, appropriate wages, and benefits?

          • Steely_Fan

            >is the goal to provide all employees with safe working conditions, appropriate wages, and benefits?
            Yes, that, of course. But more importantly there’s strength in numbers. I’ve been on both sides of contract negotiations, contract enforcement, and labor disputes, as a teacher and as an administrator. In my experience a well-run union benefited both sides of the equation. As a teacher I benefited from steady pay and benefits increases that dramatically raised my standard of living. As the director of a public career and tech school, I appreciated having the union define and prioritize their goals which I could then take to the school board as a basis for discussion. Absent the union’s speaking with one voice for all its members I think negotiations would have been more of a clusterfuck.

  • Rick Allen

    Woody Guthrie “Mean Talking Blues” is a badass song for labor day, also too.

  • Red Bird

    I know this is not the official OT but I just wanted to share this. My labor day tradition for years has been to watch the Planet of the Apes series (not including the Mark Whalberg version). Because of the hurricane, I didn’t get to do it this year. :( Does anyone know if the newest one has been released digitally? I want to rent it.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i don’t know. But speaking of which, how you doin?

      • Red Bird

        I’m fine. My home is in Corpus Christi which didn’t get much damage. I was trapped in Houston untik thursday because of the roads flooding. I thought I was avoiding the worst of the storm by going there.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          ah good.
          I loved corpus – had a magical boyhood trip there. Loved it. (also had a gf from there long ago).

          • Red Bird

            You’re up in Dallas, right?

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            nah, way out west. (i don’t “out” myself).
            But we’ve been out of the way of the really bad staff.

          • Red Bird

            That’s good.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            thanks, I’m wishing good things for y’all.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      War of the Planet of the Apes is not yet streaming. I missed it in the theatre but I heard it was good (and violent).

      • Red Bird

        Yeah. I found a digital version you can buy with the DVD and Blueray.

  • grindstone

    Hey fellow Florida wonkettes — keep an eye on Irma and start prep now.

    • BadKitty904

      Amen. Hurricane warnings were posted last night in the lower Antilles. At Cat. 3, Irma is still well formed and strengthening. Go to the National Hurricane Center for regular updates: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ddc974d3a93e7e0e8e592a2abbb872256726a802e29aa76d2ddad04beabf69b3.gif

      • miss_grundy

        It would be best to get your supplies now instead of later. Floridians have a tendency to “wait and see” and by the time they get going there has been a run on groceries in supermarkets, at the ATM, gas stations, etc.

        • BadKitty904
        • grindstone

          We can’t help it. The f*cking things TURN, and then we wind up evacuated to the wrong place. ;-)

          • BadKitty904

            Pro-tip: Evacuate to the highest local elevation – even if the storm hits it, you’ve still got a fighting chance of being above water.

          • grindstone

            We have a high ground local hotel booked for next weekend that we can use if needed or cancel if things change (and let someone else have).

            Using today for Home Depot/Lowe’s run — filling propane bottles, checking water cubes, filling gas cans, checking generator. Found the insurance docs.

          • BadKitty904

            Now, see? That’s how experienced folks handle these things. We did our first hardware store/grocery run yesterday. By today/tomorrow, we’ll have a better idea of where this thing is headed, then we’ll do our second run, wh/ includes getting gas and cash, as needed.

          • miss_grundy

            I lived in Miami for a while and the natives were rather nonchalant about hurricanes until Andrew hit. Then they finally took notice of how hard these things can be.

        • Suttree

          Now is always a good time to stock up on booze. Oh, canned goods too. And water, if you think you might run out of booze or need a mixer.

          • Maclare 🍩☕

            except clams.

          • Maggielle

            Something is wrong with the universe, or maybe I have come unstuck in time, but it appears that this comment has been sitting here for two hours, and no one has “YOU MONSTER”ed you. Maybe the trigger phrase has to include “canned”. Or maybe you have been spared because you said “except”. But…the imagery….

          • Maclare 🍩☕

            I think no one else noticed…
            Shhhh…

          • Ill-Advised

            You need to use the trigger word ;-)

      • OrG

        Hey buddy,if you need to, GET OUT. We need you here, okay?

        • BadKitty904

          Me? The Big Cat and me are both natives – we’ve dealt with hurricanes all our lives. We – and our families – have well-organized, time-tested “hurricane plans,” which we brush off and up-date, as needed, every June.

          It’s the unprepared and those who can’t afford options that we have to keep an eye on and help.

        • BadKitty904

          (But thank you for the kind thought!)

      • Suttree

        Hang in there kitty!

        • BadKitty904

          Kitty Stormsbane has dealt with hurricanes before. We’re all set!

      • H0mer0

        I learned that cats wagging their tails like that does not mean they are glad to meet you (sn)

        • BadKitty904

          It means they feel threatened and are about to attack (though in this case I think it’s wind machine used in taking the photo).

    • lucidamente
      • Three Finger Salute

        “It’s going to hit Cuba! Praise Jesus! He’s sweeping away socialism!” -Joel Osteen and his sheep

        • janecita

          We grew/protected our mangroves, and have the best (according to the UN) hurricane evacuation system in the world. Fidel was a conservationist, that firmly believed in global warming.

          • BadKitty904

            Cubans have been dealing with hurricanes for 500 years. The Spanish Empire had a hurricane rescue-and–recovery plan for the West Indies in place as early as the 17th century.

            As always in disasters, the poor suffer the most, but islanders are pretty used to these storms…

          • Ms.Moon

            In the West Indies most houses are concrete and tied steel roofs you build for hurricanes, hurricane season comes every year.

          • grindstone

            Mangroves are nature’s shock absorbers.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Ah, so he is a communist! At least by Merkinese standards, where Al Gore and Rachel Carson are also fifth-column subversives who believe in pagan doctrines like “science”…

            Clearly he did have a complex legacy, and wasn’t the Generalissimo Francisco Franco that the U.S. media (which heavily influences Canada’s) made him out to be. People were ready to shoot Trudeau over that statement. They were already calling for Obama to be impeached for visiting U. of Havana (which Trudeau did shortly before Fidel’s passing). And, moreover, Fidel was one of the pallbearers at Pierre’s funeral, along with Leonard Cohen who also died that year. What’s he supposed to do? Spit on the guy who embraced him after the death of his father and baby brother?

            At least, from my understanding, the ones who got thrown out were leftover gringo colonists who exploited the poor and minority Cubans. Heck, Batista was “our son of a bitch” and he was worse. I remember reading that Fidel also sent troops to aid in the Angolan war of independence from Portugal, when the Estado Novo collapsed in 1974 and the colonies wanted out. So there’s a connection there with the Cubans and the marginalized folks of the Lusofonia world.

            Fidel never orchestrated any terrorist attacks either. But the corrupt princes of the petroleum-rich theocracy that did 9/11 can do no wrong. Neither can Lebensraum Netanyahu, or Sharon who nuclearized Israel so much that they now have the ability to singlehandedly cause the apocalypse. You stay classy, America. Cuba just handed you your ass.

      • Serai 1

        I would’ve been packed and headed out already.

  • lucidamente
    • Covfefe

      This is not simple snark. Compared to Canada, the USAmerica is a “low-wage economy.” Canadians are losing jobs to Americans.

      • Three Finger Salute

        We’re not sending our best people either. Might need to build a wall and make Trump voters pay for it.

  • reelreeler
  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      New name: Ivanka Sweatshop.

      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        Ivanka’s Sweatshop, formerly known as The United States of America

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          Maybe I should change my nym to Ivanka’s Sweatshop formerly AKA The USA.

          Nope, too awkward.

    • Raan

      When does she she start complaining through tears about people saying that she doesn’t care about the children?

    • Three Finger Salute

      “Hi Justin! Hey, I just wanted to let you know, I’m a feminine-ist too! The women in my factories make the same nickel per hour as the men do! Because it’s, y’know, like, now or something, right? Y2K plus 17? No, 18. I swear, I’m at least 18. You have to be 18, right? I think that’s what Daddy said… or maybe it was 14… I think our oldest employee is 8, but… Whatever. So… Never mind that whole nice humanitarian stuff. That’s just for TV. But, this whole liberal, equality, whatever, kind of stuff you’re into… it’s like, real kinky, right? Woman on top?”

      “Get off the fucking phone, Ivanka. This is Sophie. Contact my husband again, and the only thing I’ll be free-trading with you is a series of slaps to the face.”

      “DADDY!!!!!!!!”

    • jesterpunk

      Ivanka has some tips for workers, she made her unpaid interns write an article on how to survive as an unpaid intern.

      https://twitter.com/ivankatrump/status/766394275571441664?lang=en

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      She was as successful at saving DACA as she was at preserving Paris Climate Accord. And equal pay initiative for women. She accomplishes less than her father. Someone should fire her.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    “…You can’t be forever blessed
    Still, tomorrow’s going to be another working day
    And I’m trying to get some rest
    That’s all I’m trying to get some rest”

    Be good to yourselves today Wonkeroos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K5jpWQpiFI

    • Serai 1

      One of my favorite songs.

      • Steely_Fan

        Mine, too!

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg
    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Well fuck. “Subscribe to read.” And I opened it in a private window. A synopsis would be great.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        When the Dutch have doubts about water, it’s time to worry.

        The Netherlands has been the champion of water management for centuries, battling to keep its low-lying landmass dry. But as extreme weather events — such as Houston’s catastrophic flooding in the wake of Tropical Storm Harvey — and high temperatures outstrip even the most pessimistic predictions, some argue that even the most sophisticated dikes won’t be enough.

        One of those raising the alarm is Rotterdam-based architectural studio ZUS, which has developed “Delta 3000”, a plan to transform the lowlands into a hilly sandy landscape. Covering the country in sand would prevent flooding, produce fresh water and create a naturally sustaining ecological system — which ZUS argues is better than the current cost and energy-intensive defence plan against the rising sea. The Netherlands uses a maintenance- intensive system of seawalls, dams, dikes, sluices, pumps and locks to protect the 55 per cent of the country prone to flooding. The government plans to update this system to combat the increased risk of flooding and reduced freshwater availability that they expect to come with climate change.

        “[The current system is] artificial and is completely dependent on human intervention and technical adjustments,” says Kristian Koreman, one of the co-founders of ZUS along with Elma van Boxel. “Whereas with the dunes, finally you’re safe: you’re building higher ground.”

        The climate change debate has provoked a paradigm shift in landscape design due to the uncertainties it brings with it. Forced to abandon the notion that nature can be dominated, architects are now seeking to work with nature rather than against it,resurrecting ailing ecosystems or creating new ones to adapt to the future climate. “We used to assume that we could predict and control nature. That was the basis of the big infrastructural projects in the developed world, and the Netherlands is one of the frontrunners,” says Chris Zevenbergen, who leads the Flood Resilience Chair Group at Unesco-IHE in Delft. “But when the system fails, there’s a complete disaster.”

        Last year, scientists from the University of Massachusetts and Pennsylvania State University published a paper in the journal Nature saying that the sea could rise 2 metres by 2100 due to ice melting in Antarctica, doubling a previous consensus figure based solely on the melting of mountain glaciers and the expansion of the sea as it warms.

        The Dutch government acknowledges a worst-case estimate from the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute of an 80cm rise by 2085. It has already secured €1.2bn a year until 2030 for its Delta Programme, a road map for bolstering defences between now and 2050 that includes making the dikes higher and giving rivers more room to flow.

        ZUS says this isn’t sufficient to deal with the myriad potential repercussions of climate change discussed in the papers it researched. “The only thing that you can know about climate change is that we can’t predict it,” says Koreman. “But what we do know is that the basic codes of the system are not capable of dealing with the new complexity we are dealing with now: more rain, flooding rivers, salinisation, subsidence and migration were not considered when they made the original Delta plan [in the 1950s].”

        ZUS’s counter-proposal is to cover the lowlands in sand, with enormous dunes ringing major cities and creating inland beaches next to lakes and canals. The first plan covered the conurbation that includes Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague, but was extended to run up the entire Dutch coast after requests from vulnerable northern provinces.

        A layer of sand would also alleviate subsidence and soil salinisation, two problems caused by excessive removal of groundwater. For centuries, the Dutch have constantly pumped out groundwater to prevent flooding. But this lowers the water table, causing the peat to dehydrate and compact, which leads the ground to sink. The saltwater layer beneath the water table then rises, bubbling through the soil and rendering it infertile. A rising sea would increase pressure on the groundwater, making the soil saltier still.

        In ZUS’s plan, groundwater would be allowed to rise up through the sand, eliminating the need for pumping. According to the plan, the dunes would also absorb heavy rainfall, creating freshwater through natural filtration. And as sand has a fixed volume, it would form a firm layer on top of the peat, preventing subsidence, says ZUS.

        Koreman and van Boxel found research, such as the JRC Peseta II report from the European Commission, which suggested that a changing climate would drastically affect migration patterns. So they designed the new landscape to bolster cities for the arrival of millions of climate refugees, as well as entice summer tourists in case the Mediterranean and northern Africa become intolerably hot.

        The idea of the Netherlands as one big sandy resort may sound implausible, but ZUS is building a pilot: a development of 3,000 houses across 130 hectares of dunes and forest near the waterfront in Almere, a fast-growing new city in the Netherlands’ last reclaimed province, Flevoland. “It shows there is a business case for this whole idea. It’s not a utopia,” says Koreman.

        The entire Delta 3000 plan would need 22.3bn cubic metres of sand, which ZUS says can be taken from a strip in the North Sea where excavation is permitted. ZUS is about to meet with a Dutch dredging ship company to explore possibilities.

        ZUS is eager for Delta 3000 to gain acceptance as the new long-term plan for the Netherlands. “It’s going from protection to adaptation, which means dealing with the change and taking advantage of it,” says Koreman. “Protection doesn’t give you relief. There’s still angst.”

        No turn in the rising tide
        While many large-scale climate adaptation projects are being planned at city, state and national level, most individuals aren’t swayed by scientists’ warnings about rising sea levels.

        In fact, house prices in the US show a negative correlation with predicted climate change risk, according to property analysts Zillow, demonstrating the attraction of living by the sea.

        Zillow’s 2016 report, based on plotting homes in coastal states against maps released by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, found that if sea levels rise by 1.8 metres, 36 US cities would be completely lost, along with half the homes in another 300 cities.

        Yet, homes at risk of being underwater were valued 58 per cent higher than average, due to the cachet of coastal property. The housing market in Florida, where one in eight homes would potentially be submerged, is one of the fastest-appreciating in the US.

        Other regions display a similar trend. House prices in Australia’s Byron Bay, which would be mostly underwater if the sea rose 2 metres, have grown 155 per cent in the past five years, compared with a 70 per cent rise for Sydney properties. In the UK, waterfront properties command a premium of up to 75 per cent, according to estate agents Knight Frank.

        “We clearly love to be by the ocean, we gravitate towards it,” says Skylar Olsen, senior economist at Zillow. “You’d think a storm surge would be a signal that the place was risky to live in, but what we find is that those events have short-term impacts . . . People don’t think about rare events rationally. We think it won’t happen to us, and we think we’re safe even afterbthey happen.”

        As a result, it’s likely that public-sector adaptation plans will lead the way. It should be worth it: according to the World Bank, every dollar spent on flood defences yields $7 to $10 in return.

        • BosGrl

          Wait, so The Netherlands actually plans for the future and considers ways to protect the land and the people who live on it?

          • OrG

            What a concept.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            Yup and the reason I said “well fuck” is that we might be safe but if the US doesn;t adopt these plans (which I highly doubt ATM) it means the flooding in the US will ony get worse coming years.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Communists!

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            There must not be a lot of republican’ts in The Netherlands.

            /s

        • Serai 1

          some argue that even the most sophisticated dikes won’t be enough.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c51e90ba2fa86475c1ceb3abd7054f498e5109e05d2bbb8e852d5c7c7495b272.jpg

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            I was just waiting for someone to make the joke. ;)

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            seriously, I laughed like a 14 year old when I saw a truck the other day called “Dyke and Dyke Transportation.”

          • Here in southern Ontario there is a trucking company called Fluke Transport.

            Inevitably, their motto is “If it’s on time, it’s a Fluke!”

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          Thank you!

          See what a nation can do with it’s resources when it does not have to waste them on a fucking wall that will fail to keep people out.

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          Link please?

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        copied it.

    • janecita

      Yes? We can’t read it.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Now you can below.

  • Holly

    ALPA (Air Line Pilots Association) created clearedtodream.org for the kids that want to pursue a career in aviation. I absolutely love this!

    • Ωbjectifier

      Most, hell damn near all, ATP students I see these days are Chinese.

      • Holly

        Why does that matter even a little?

  • janecita

    And this is one of the reasons why I HATE Nikki Haley!

    http://amp.usatoday.com/story/5642031/

    • BosGrl

      Yes please send the jobs so we can say “we’re job creators!” We don’t care if people actually make a living wage or not, just so we look good on paper.

    • OutOfOrbit

      being a republican operative is all the reason i need to hate her

    • BadKitty904

      She IS pretty easy to hate. She’s 110% Republican.

    • Sakonyachen

      This is why Republicans need to keep Trump around. So people don’t think they look bad in comparison.

  • BadKitty904
  • Cock Blockula

    And don’t forget the Ludlow Massacre (not to be confused with Bowling Green). I had ancestors on both sides of this one.

    https://zinnedproject.org/materials/ludlow-massacre/

    http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/the-ludlow-massacre-still-matters

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Sixteen tons, and whadda ya get?
    Another day older and deeper in debt
    St Peter don’tcha call me ’cause I can’t go
    I owe my soul to the company store

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Joo90ZWrUkU

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      I know that song! It’s the one from that GE commercial!

      https://youtu.be/q6ueDHn2HTk

      • OrG

        How do I not remember that? Is it real?

        • UncleTravelingMatt

          It is real. My friend — whose dad was a powderman who died of black lung — introduced me to it. I think the UMWA shamed them in to not running it.

      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        I hope they remember to clean that coal off before using it.

      • H0mer0

        that is so F-ing sleazy! (‘scuse me, I’m almost out of fucks today.)

    • mancityRed6

      I had that single by Johnny Cash when I was a kid (pre ’84)
      I am very certain my parents got tired of it.

    • Zippy49

      Aggh! Earworm alert!

  • mancityRed6
  • wait! what?

    Labor Day always reminds me of the Newsboys Strike of 1899; raising newspaper bundles by 10 cents was a really bad Pulitzer ‘prize.”

  • Serai 1

    MORNING NICE TIME

    https://twitter.com/rocketttpower/status/902557351261085696

    Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      the dogs like, “what? what’s the big deal?”

    • Joe Beese

      Sorry, the dog doesn’t remain on the board until the last set of legs is passed through.

      World record attempt disallowed.

      • Lord Jim

        Are you the Russian judge?

    • H0mer0

      that reminded me of “The Big Lebowski” photomontage/cutaway fantasy.

    • Persistent Demme

      Good doggie!
      Saw this dog, (or one just like it), doing a demo for the school that was right next to our dog park.
      The trainer had to turn the skateboard upside-down to get the dog to stop riding, it loved it so much!

  • Zippy49

    Okay, here’s MY union story.

    I worked for a Fortune 500 RV and housing manufacturer for 31 years. The company had dozens of manufacturing facilities in the US and Canada, and only the Canadian ones were unionized.

    Then one day the Steelworkers tried to organize a plant in Texas. Corporate sent a team to figure out what was up, and it turned out that they needed a change in management. Once that was handled, the union lost the election. So there is indeed another side to the story. And here it is…

    I started at this company punching a time card, ended up in management. One thing I learned was that whenever something goes wrong, it is ALWAYS MANAGEMENT’S FAULT. (Please excuse the caps).

    That might even apply to Union management…

    • Sakonyachen

      I will never do management again. They just want a liaison between the ridiculous expectations of the shareholders, and the human beings they expect to be sorcerers for minimum wage. It pays pennies more and everyone you talk to is pissed at you. It’s just a fancy form of a whipcracker. I for one refuse to be anyone’s Cracker.

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        I don’t mind managing projects but people? Never again.

        • Sakonyachen

          Oh yes. Projects are fine. People are impossible. Especially underpaid people when it’s your job to squeeze maximum efficiency from them.

  • WhoCheckedRussia’sVoterID

    Its simple. We need leaders.

    • H0mer0

      I [really, I did] misread that as “We need loafers.”

      • WhoCheckedRussia’sVoterID

        Well…tying shoes is a pain in the ass…so either or…

  • Uh oh, Doktor Zoom has gotten into the Howard Zinn again. Take three of these and you’ll feel better in the morning: USA! USA! USA!

  • Rags

    Just wanted to mention that the R’s savaging of public education is intimately tied in with the fact that many teachers are unionized.

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    oooh! I have a labor day/punk rock submission. I like these guys a lot (and have, for like 20 years now)

    It’s not their best song

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3TBJc6kHHA

  • I was going to post the Baez version, but found this one whilst searching. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Kxq9uFDes

  • OrdinaryJoe

    Just a reminder, we didn’t just suddenly fall into a rabbit hole. This shit started way back and has been more like a slow vortex down the drain.

    “This is not just a campaign for the Presidency – it is a campaign for the future, for the forgotten hard-working middle class families of America who deserve a government that fights for them. A campaign to keep America strong at home and around the world. Join with us. I ask for your prayers, your help, your hands, and your hearts. TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, AND BUILD A COMMUNITY OF HOPE THAT WILL INSPIRE THE WORLD.”

    Bill Clinton, Announcement Speech
    Old State House, Little Rock, Arkansas
    October 3, 1991

    • mancityRed6

      thank you Ronnie Raygun

    • OrG

      Hard to believe presidential campaigns were that short then.

    • Serai 1

      Notice how what Bill wanted to build was a community, not a wall. There’s the difference between liberals and conservatives.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    Labor hasn’t gotten a whole lot of gains. My coworker has pneumonia but comes to work every day for her 8-hour shift because she’s only been there 6 months so doesn’t get either paid leave or insurance yet. She can’t afford to take time off. None of us who have to work today are getting overtime because we’re not considered full-time, even those of us working 38-hour weeks (which they are careful to keep just at 38-39). And because I live in a red state full of the kind of people who absolutely don’t support a $15 minimum wage (because they make about that much at their jobs, and don’t understand that their wages would also rise), we will never have a decent wage here unless some Democrat mandates it federally.

  • Michael R
    • DerrickWildcat

      OMG you gotta be shittin’ me, Pylon!?

  • schmannity
    • Serai 1

      Good gods, an actual article from the Onion! I feel like I’m back in 2002.

      • schmannity

        Fiction stranger than truth, how I miss the old days.

  • Joe Beese

    The cast members of Ally McBeal – which premiered 20 years ago this Friday – crudely montaged to appear that they are being photographed together.

    The Hollywood Reporter has an oral history here:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/ally-mcbeal-oral-history-calista-flockhart-david-e-kelley-lucy-liu-interviews-1034516

    http://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/2017/08/ally_mcbeal_1998_2_-_embed_2017.jpg

  • Finnibar87

    Fun Fact!

    Stephen and Tabitha King named their first son after Joe Hill.

    • Maggielle

      Makes me like them even more.

    • redblack

      …which is his pen name.

      he’s a fun author; kind of a cross between his dad and neal stephenson, and he has an excellent command of the language.

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))
    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      There, there. You need a nice, relaxing golf weekend to forget all about it.

    • BadKitty904

      “And by ‘work,’ I mean ‘golf’.”

    • H0mer0

      I’m theoretically* supposed to make more than POTUS?

      *reality is a cruel mistress

  • Rachel Book Harlot
  • janecita

    O/T, how can we punish people that had no saying in coming to this country? I left Cuba when I was a kid, it wasn’t my decision, I wasn’t consulted by my parents, I was a fucking kid! The only difference between me, and those DACA recipients is papers. Fuck, I hate Trump!

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      I love how their talking point is “this is about the rule of law!!11!”, which makes absolutely no sense when you scratch below the surface of the statement. It’s about racism, pure and simple.

      • jesterpunk

        If its about the rule of law it says the laws need to be fixed because its too difficult to become a US citizen. But your right its about racism.

        • Rachel Book Harlot

          If 90% of DACA recipients were European, the conversation would be entirely different. They would then be the “right” type of immigrant.

          • bupkus231

            At least a few years back, there were a large number of “undocumented workers” in NYC from the Republic of Ireland.

            No one ever really complained about them taking “Murkin” jobs

          • Three Finger Salute

            So much for “no Irish need apply.” They didn’t used to be considered white either. Heck, Hitler considered the Germans the “master white race,” but Ben Franklin despised them. The French never got along with the English (and still don’t in our neighbor upstairs); heck, nobody got along with the English, and Europe was pretty much at war with itself for all thousand-or-so years of its supposed “greatness” while at the same time overextending their resources to pillage “treasures” from native lands and each other. Now you see Croatians and Poles joining Nazi groups, despite the fact that Hitler would have delighted to personally watch them burn. SMH…

          • 50,000 undocumented Irish in NYC. That’s 1% of the whole population of Ireland. NYC has its own team in the All-Ireland Gaelic Football championships.

          • BosGrl

            Interesting how that kind of thing changes… my grandfather partially angelicized our Italian last name because he wanted to work in politics.

          • H0mer0

            he made you into angels? (sn)

          • BosGrl

            LOL!! ANGLICIZED. I usually pick that kind of thing up and edit.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            My aunts married british and passed for white in the suburbs for decades before Martha Stewart made it fashionable to be (not too) ethnic.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Or Canadians. But not those Canadians. The Malala Yousafzais and the Harjit Sajjans aren’t welcome. Adolf Harper is. Kellie Leech is. Android Scheer is. Calgary Cruz… well, his name ends in a Z, and it’s a day that ends in Y, so jury’s out on that one.

            I don’t think Justin Trudeau would be, if he was a DACA baby. Too French. Probably a socialist. But you know who isn’t welcome here either? “Justin Trudeau”.

            https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/justin-turdeau-and-baby-justin-trudeau-adam-bilal-2.png?w=1200&h=800&crop=1

      • Covfefe

        Since it’s Labor Day, OSHA, the Civil Rights Act, Equal Pay Act and a bunch of other things are “about the rule of law” too.

        • willi0000000

          . . . unless they go to the current SCROTUS

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      well, technically, the difference is probably wet-foot/dry-foot, but otherwise, Yeah.

      • janecita

        In my case, wet foot/dry foot had nothing to do with it. I came here in a family reunification visa, my father had been here for years, before we came, my grandparents had been here since the 1960s. We all came legally, in a nice plane.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          my bad.

    • OutOfOrbit

      and how best to punish the republicans who are doing this? voting is not enough

      • janecita

        I’m a big fan of the guillotine.

        • BadKitty904
          • Doug Langley

            It slices! It dices! But wait, there’s more!

          • BadKitty904

            Reusable! Low carbon-footprint!

          • schmannity

            Gluten free!

          • Serai 1

            That’s the reason it was developed – faster and more humane than the axe.

          • Lord Jim

            Invented by a doctor, yes?

          • Paul

            Yes. And he met his fate on his own creation, named after him.

          • “By coincidence, a person named Guillotin was indeed executed by the guillotine – he was J.M.V. Guillotin, a doctor of Lyons.[3] This coincidence may have contributed to erroneous statements that Guillotin was put to death on the machine that bears his name;[4] however, in reality, Guillotin died at home in Paris in 1814 of natural causes,[4] specifically from a carbuncle,[5] and is now buried in the Père-Lachaise Cemetery in Paris.[6]”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph-Ignace_Guillotin

          • Or the other traditional French methods of capital punishment – strapping someone to a waterwheel until they drowned, or being pulled apart by wild horses.

          • Toomush_Inferesistance

            That’s a big V for Vote…

        • OutOfOrbit

          that and the gallows, depending on the crime

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      How did you get your papers? Probably had to do with rulings that undocumented Cubans automatically gain legal residency right?

      • janecita

        No, I was never illegal. I came here on a family reunification visa, I already had a green card when I came here.

    • SeekingCovfefeBarbie

      trumpists really don’t care–they really do think the children should suffer for the “sins” of their parents, and further justify their thinking by claiming that deporting the Dreamers will not be a hardship for them as they purportedly [with no evidence to support this] have families waiting to welcome them and will be able to secure good jobs with their American educations.

      • Lord Jim

        trumpists really don’t care–they really do think the children should suffer for the “sins” of their parents

        It’s not even that. It’s the old racist notion that the children of inferior (nonwhite) children carrying the taint of their parents’ blood.

      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        Unless you’re white, once a furriner, always a furriner…

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      I’ve been working on formulating a response to this racist bullshit, in terms the yokels can understand. It needs work, but basically it goes like this: “I don’t know why I, a white person, should feel responsible for the plight of blacks in this country–just because my ancestors were racist slave-owners, I had no say in the matter. But also, let’s hold the children of illegal immigrants responsible for the actions of their parents because for some reason, they need to be held accountable for circumstances they had no say in.”

      • willi0000000

        definitely kill “why I, a white person, should feel responsible”

        replace with “why I, a white person, am not held responsible”

        [ unless the first one is how you actually feel . . . if so, then fuck you ]

        • Lord Jim

          I think he’s trying to momentarily assume the persona of a typical white person, in order to use the ensuing statement in an analogical argument.

          • H0mer0

            Martini’s not a gurl? Her avatar says she’s a nasty woman unless that’s another persona.

          • Lord Jim

            I oopsied. Need to pay more attention.

          • H0mer0

            [I wuzn’t sure either, since s/he has made their profile private.]

  • Joe Beese
    • BadKitty904

      Or Trump hotels, Trump clothes, Trump wives, Trump partners-in-treason, etc., etc.

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      What century does he think we’re living in?

      • SeekingCovfefeBarbie

        19th.

        • Three Finger Salute

          “Mr. Trump, it’s 2017. Get with the current year already. Oh, and PS: Fuddle-duddle Scott Walker.” -Trudeau

    • janecita

      Fuck Trump, and his expression less mannequin of a wife!

    • Suttree

      The only time I have ever seen American steel is working on a government job (if they are bothering to check), or when we needed high quality cold rolled for machining. It’s cheaper to ship it from India and China.

    • jesterpunk
    • bookish

      He’s so full of shit. And by the way, what does Melania do?

      • H0mer0

        yeah like when did he use his American hands for anything other than grabbing pussy?

      • Covfefe

        What does Melania do? For this photo op, she let him hold her hand.

    • willi0000000

      he’s quite the one to be talking about “American hands”

    • Lord Jim

      But we are building our neckties with Chinese hands. There’s always exceptions, right? Who knew a global economy could be so complicated?

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      I think that tie is from China. Just sayin’….

    • therblig

      american hands are the best. just the best.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhd1PEvX8Z8

  • Deborah Ujevich

    I work at a “union” chemical company in Charleston WV. Entry wage is $9/hr. You can’t join the union until you’ve been there a year. They have routine purges, and hire a lot of parolees, for whom they get a tax break, as well as residents of a federal halfway house, which gets them $6500 per. There is no end to convict labor in lock-em-up WV. TOP wage for a union person is $14/hr. One guy drives SIXTY MILES ONE WAY for this; another woman drives an equivalent distance for $11. Working conditions in this chlorine plant are atrocious. I’ve never seen a more toothless union!! Coming from labor-heavy western PA, I have a solid frame of reference.

    • OrG

      The fact that unions are weak is not an accident.

      • Granny Sprinkles

        …and the people who wrote those shit laws that defang unions hope you will bitch about unions but they don’t want you to do anything about it. Run for office.

      • BadKitty904
      • Deborah Ujevich

        You’re definitely not telling this socialist anything new. But it’s notable that this same union is like another entity entirely in the company’s manufacturing facility, which is located across the street & not staffed with ex offenders. West Virginia felonizes & then marginalizes. THAT’S criminal.

    • Serai 1

      Then roll up your sleeves and help make it LESS toothless.

      • Deborah Ujevich

        ON IT. And not just the union thing, either. Am aligning with Democratic Socialists and a social justice advocacy organization. I’m also planning on supporting Paula Jean Swearingen’s run against Joe Manchin, obviously this is something the Dem Socialists will do.

  • oblivias

    Appropriate for today and one of the best documentaries, ever… https://youtu.be/CsNtc7Uxspw

  • jesterpunk

    Read the whole thread from Leesa Brown.

    https://twitter.com/ReasonVsFear/status/869226312820543492

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Y’know, there are a lot of white men who are concerned about this shit, too. Not that you’re gonna lose any votes by shitting on us, but still…

      • Lord Jim
        • jesterpunk

          Yep, you beat me to it. Thats why I said read the whole thread because you cant link an entire thread in 1 comment.

      • jesterpunk

        The point she is making is there are so many saying just focus on the white christian male voters. They claim focusing on anyone else is “identity politics”. Also Lord Jim beat me to it, its not saying ignore white male voters (and I am a white male voter) its saying dont also throw every other group under the bus too.

  • Rachel Book Harlot

    Steve King is having a sad that Trump has now pushed the DACA issue onto the Rethugs:

    https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/904508306441494529

    • Christopher Story

      They know the spot Trump had put them in. Side with the immigrants, they lose the Trump supporters. Side with the Trump supporters and they lose minorities.

      • OrG

        Side with trumpanzees and also lose “campaign contributions”.

      • Rachel Book Harlot

        The crazy part is that a large percentage of Republicans support DACA:

        “Immigration policy is the battleground for the White House’s warring factions, and DACA is ground zero. Around 750,000 undocumented youths now benefit from the program, which allows them to work and go to school without fear of deportation. Allowing the so-called “Dreamers” to stay is broadly popular even with Trump’s base: Nearly 80 percent of Republicans, and three-quarters of Trump voters, support it. But immigration hardliners like the pundit Ann Coulter, Breitbart, and Attorney General Jeff Sessions have been vocal proponents of ending the policy.”

        How Immigration Hardliners Are Forcing Trump’s Hand on DACA”

        https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/how-immigration-hardliners-boxed-trump-in-on-daca/538623/

      • Me not sure

        …side with humanity, they’re no longer Republicans.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      yeah, 1986 – Reagan and R’s approved amnesty. Fuckers.

    • The Librarian

      I’m on board with Repug votes “suicide”.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      So-called Dreamers are big nightmare for USA. No pardons for them!” #DeletedTrumpTweets

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      The problem is that a lot of the biggest companies that harvest our food employ thousands of undocumented people; they want immigration reform and yet they are run by republicans. Can’t figure this shit out to save my life.

      • Three Finger Salute

        They only want them to be able to come here and work. They don’t want them to do subversive things like send their kids to school or vote.

        That RWNJ race-baiting meme about “Mexicans taking blacks’ jobs”? Yeah, it’s kind of true, but only in that the business owners are still butthurt that they can’t whip Africans anymore — so they find ways to exploit Hispanics instead. They found a way around child labor laws too. As long as it’s not happening here, nobody cares about children in Southeast Asia making Ivanka’s stilettos or Kathie Lee’s blouses. Those “Victor Charlies” might have won the war, but we got ’em anyway. With CAPITALISM!

    • willi0000000

      during that six-month delay, jefferson beauregard sessions will continue to turn every dreamer he and his minions can find* over to INS for deportation.

      * on t’Rumped-up charges for sure!

    • Covfefe

      No way you’re going to pass DACA without Democrat votes. What Republican wants that?

      • Rachel Book Harlot

        The Repubes are now stuck because some corporations, the only “people” they care about, are siding with the Dreamers, but the racist hardliner base wants it gone.

    • Lord Jim

      I’ve had it up to the fucking scalp with this spiteful, racist, hate-filled sack of rancid pus. Go smoke a fat, nasty donkey cock you vile asslick. And a heigh-ho hearty FUCK YOU to his constituents who know what he is and vote for him anyway.

  • MOAR REQUIRED LISTENING FOR LABORING DAY FOR LONG HAIRED TYPES

    Marc Blitzstein’s incredible The Cradle Will Rock almost produced by FDR’s New Deal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaGnVyZa8iI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipJldnG_5UM

    • Three Finger Salute

      The movie is pretty good too. Sad that Susan So Random’s idea of fomenting a “proletarian artists’ revolution” was to throw away her vote and install a fascist by default.

    • SisterArtemis

      So… this was a stage production before a movie? I had no idea. I like the movie very much, and in it, interesting to see Hank Azaria and other very familiar faces and names in roles we wouldn’t automatically think of them in (Bill Murray and Joan Cusack, for example). Obviously, I need to work less and research more!

      • That excellent movie basically told the true story of how Welles and Houseman attempted to stage Blitzstein’s show. The emotional finale with cast members and musicians joining Blitzstein on stage in an abandoned theater to perform the banned show really happened!

        Those were the days.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    My grandpa was a lead miner before and after WWI. His top wage was 60 cents an hour for a 10-hour day in 1922, but it went DOWN to 50 cents an hour in 1929. Then there was a rock fall in 1930 and he was badly injured and couldn’t work, and of course he was just fired. No worker’s comp, no sick leave, no long-term disability. He didn’t even have Social Security, and there was no union. He sued the mining company, won $1000, and the mining companies then blacklisted him and he couldn’t get a job anywhere in 3 counties for love or money. He had 5 children at the time, the oldest was 12, and he got 3 part-time jobs to feed the family. That kid was my father. Grandpa died of emphysema in 1965. Now, if you tour the Missouri Mines State Historic Site today, they will tell you that mining lead was not dangerous, that nobody ever got sick from it. This an Alternative Fact. Happy Labor Day, Grandpa!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f28923328dd4d44b706431363ec0bbe782f7ee05bba5fd5354becb819d49f46.jpg

  • TJ Barke
  • susan_g

    “…it’s been a long time since Labor Day has
    really been marked by anything but furniture sales and the mandatory
    newspaper piece on The American Worker and/or the Decline Of Unions.”

    Overall, that is true, but in my neighborhood the day will be celebrated in full, featuring Banda and Norteno music playing loudly, big parties, and the smell of carne asada on the grill. Dia del Trabajo!

  • major_asshole

    As the son of a union member (teacher’s unions are still unions, after all), I would like to take this time and say that I don’t celebrate Labor Day like some people. Oh sure, the day off work is nice and there are some decent sales, but it’s hardly a day to celebrate workers. No, Labor Day celebrates the managers and owners who deigned to give us some meaningless day off hoping to placate us.

    Snark- and joke-free comment brought to you by All-New Houston-Flavored Brawndo.

  • Michael R
  • TJ Barke
    • SisterArtemis

      I came many years back to think of anarchism as more of a philosophy of community, than a political movement. That’s probably around the time I started voting a straight Democratic ticket, because it was the best of the available options to get any left/progressive movement at all in politics. But I will forever dream of self-governing autonomous communities networked together for the benefit of Us, the People. And I will forever love Emma Goldman.

      • TJ Barke

        I tend to think of it as the un-achievable ideal.

        • SisterArtemis

          It still inspires me, though, and I can’t think that’s not important.

          • Lord Jim

            Even if you can never fully realize an ideal, you make progress by striving to get closer to it.

    • redblack

      ever wondered about my user name? ;)

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    Many of my coworkers qualify for food stamps and WIC benefits because none of our jobs are full time, pay is ridiculously low, and our “employee discount” is 5%. But we do have a union. I’m honestly not sure what good it does us.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      But it does your corporation a world of good – imagine having to pay wages that would include the cost of eating or health care!…Why, that would be astronomical!

  • TJ Barke
  • UnsaltedSinner
    • TJ Barke

      I think this song is mislabeled. This is Union Forever, not There is Power in a Union.

      • Serai 1

        Union Forever was the title of the original song, back when the “Union” mentioned was the Northern States. Different lyrics make a different song.

    • Zyxomma

      Thank you for reminding me that in 1987, when I saw Billy Bragg perform, it was at the Trade Union Hall in Sydney. I once spent the better part of an evening explaining to a couple of surfies why they were better off belonging to a union. I got through to them, though it took a while.

  • ariel_gee_398

    Yes, of course, correlation is not causation, but this doesn’t strike me as a coincidence. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3a3641dbe9ccecac17f648cf41f2fba0a59977488c0d8af37c03ad902a362015.png

    • Serai 1

      Incredible that people actually need studies to confirm this kind of thing.

      • Three Finger Salute

        …and that’s why Republicans want to get rid of colleges and wage war on the intellectuals. They “study” too much, and find out things they’re not supposed to know — certainly not supposed to say. Recall that the majority of this country believes in a certain religion, the founding myth of which is that mankind is doomed to despair because a woman acquired knowledge. “You knew I was a snake when you took me in!”

        • Toomush_Inferesistance

          Well, in Eve’s defense, that “snake” was just a metaphor….

        • Serai 1

          Why would knowing he was a snake change her mind? Weren’t all the animals in Eden supposed to be innocent, INCLUDING the humans? Then how the fuck was the woman supposed to know he was evil? (IF he was evil, that is. I still contend he wasn’t. He just didn’t want the humans bamboozled by Samael.)

    • Anna Rompage

      It also sort of mirrors our tax policy over the last 100 years…

  • jesterpunk

    Well the Trump administration is trying to kill any aid to Texas. The last line says it could make it hard to oppose the bill but for the freedumb caucus it will make it easy since its raising spending.

    http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/business/article171167927.html

    Congress needs to combine a $7.9 billion disaster relief package for Harvey with a contentious increase in the nation’s borrowing limit, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin says, arguing it is needed to ensure storm victims in Texas get the help they need.

    “The president and I believe that it should be tied to the Harvey funding,” Mnuchin said Sunday. “If Congress appropriates the money, but I don’t have the ability to borrow more money and pay for it, we’re not going to be able to get that money to the state. So, we need to put politics aside.”

    President Donald Trump visited storm-ravaged areas in Texas over the weekend, expressing hope for speedy congressional action on Harvey aid. But some House conservatives are opposed to directly pairing disaster aid with an increase in the debt limit, saying it sends the wrong message on overall government spending. Democrats have also been cool to the approach.

    Linking the two issues could make it politically difficult for lawmakers to oppose the debt-limit bill.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Yeah, isn’t there quite a bit of overlap between congresscritters that vote against disaster relief and those that vote against raising the debt ceiling?

      • jesterpunk

        Its a circle.

    • Serai 1

      As I understand it, 6.9B is just a drop in the bucket, and Twitler won’t even let them have THAT.

    • SeekingCovfefeBarbie

      I think aid should be tied to flood-mitigation programs, but that would mean following Science and no Repub would ever support that.

    • Lord Jim

      I need clarification. Is it the administration’s position that the debt ceiling increase needs to be used to extort Harvey aid from Congress?

      • jesterpunk

        Yes they want to put the 2 together, but they had enough problems with a clean debt ceiling bill and also with spending money on aid without cutting spending somewhere else.

      • Wolf Tracker

        The only way they can get a debt ceiling increase is with Dem votes but if they tie Harvey funding to it they think it will have a better chance of passing without Dems. They don’t want another ACA fiasco and Fed shut down on their hands.

        • Lord Jim

          Ah. I see.

    • BeachBum

      I can not see the govt shutting down over anything. Can you imagine no govt help getting to the biggest GOP state in the country, with bodies still being pulled out of the water ? With LA, AL, KY, and TN, all GOP, also needing some help.
      Inconceivable! Hmm, I hope I know what that means.

      • jesterpunk

        The republicans have shut down the government a few times when Obama was president and even caused our credit rating to go down. I wouldn’t put it past them to do it again.

  • CO

    I think I know what I’m eating today.
    https://i.redd.it/9mnepx79jujz.jpg

    • Three Finger Salute

      You know how I know that old feller is a liberal?

      He spelled every word correctly. Including the multisyllabic ones.

      Like “Taco”.

      • BeachBum

        And like multeesilly….muletily….mooleytee….ah furgetaboudit !

    • BadKitty904
      • CO

        His economic anxiety is he can’t afford any sleeves.

        • Doug Langley

          Hey, obviously he believes in the right to bare arms.

        • BadKitty904

          If white Republicans feel “economically anxious,” I suspect that’s their own doing. Does the nation “owe” these self-entitled snowflakes a job?

      • Three Finger Salute

        Wow. Justin Bieber’s career really has taken a nosedive.

      • OrG

        And he’ll bitch that some “illegal” took his jerb.

        • BadKitty904

          His” jerb.

          If you’re uneducated and unskilled, get used to the Invisible Middle Finger of the Market, boyo…

      • BeachBum

        Its just so he can tell his mom “no one will hire me ! Oh, and I need $20, for stuff.”

        • BadKitty904

          My Mom would’ve smacked him upside the head and said, “Then make yourself hire-able.

      • Nockular cavity

        This guy: “Dude, sure I’m serious, bro! Help a bro out, dude!”

  • TJ Barke
  • DerrickWildcat
    • Our fourth grade teacher Mrs. Rutland had us start every day by saying the pledge and singing a song that went:

      New Deal! New Deal!
      Everybody’s gonna get a New Deal!
      Hitch your wagon to a star
      With FDR
      He’s bring us a brand New Deal!

      I’ve never been able to find any reference to the song – she may have composed it herself for her little students to sing.

      • BosGrl

        It’s amazing, those things our early teachers did that we still remember.

      • Serai 1

        Imagine the reaming she’d get for that today.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      My cousin-by-marriage was an organizer for Chinese garment workers in Oakland and in NYC. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/023acb036397983950420850610370202c27171eb4956293074773275767c0d2.jpg

  • TJ Barke

    Excellent doc on political repression in America:
    http://metanoia-films.org/plutocracy/
    Click Watch Online to see the vids.

  • SadDemInTex

    I was thinking exactly what Dok wrote. I also know enough history to know about the amount of blood and death that was spilled to ensure worker rights. Why do we allow history to be sanitized?

    • Three Finger Salute

      Because it’s inconvenient to the “national mood.” Propaganda brainwashing will continue until morale improves.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        Some knob on CNN’s Twitter feed is upset about CNN running the story about Alex Wubbles saying it’s “anti-cop” and “why don’t you report about the 95% of police who do their jobs well”.

        So there we go…

        • Résistance Land Shark Ω

          Because we expect our law enforcement officers to perform their jobs professionally. And almost all of them do.

        • Christopher Story

          “Yeah, my kid kicked that dog to death. Why won’t anybody talk about how well he does in school?”

        • Mondoshawan

          So, apart from all the other reasons why this situation is so freakishly wrong, the fact that the nurse actually literally protected one police officer (patient) from the other police officer (asshole) went completely over the said knob’s head. FFS.

      • Serai 1

        STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT MY BOOT ON YOUR FACE.

      • SadDemInTex

        I think you should brainwashing into brainwashing/beatings.

    • Christopher Story

      Because the truth hurts people’s feelings

      • nmmagyar

        Children must be protected at all costs. Except for having guns in schools, that’s OK and the American way!

      • Serai 1

        Because the truth hurts RICH people’s POWER.

    • Alexander Stallwitz

      I once read a short story called the Washingtonians where this guy finds proof that Washington and the foundign fathers were cannibals. He is chased by the titular group who will do anything to protect the secret. The point of the story is that history is a shared lie and has been written to make us feel good while editing the unpleasant parts away. While the story is mesn to be a horror story , it makes a valid argument. How do we know what is true and fake? Americans have a tendacy to want to remeber the feel good parts whike glossing over the not good stuff (slavery, our treatment of the Native Americans, etc) we would rather believe the great lie than the harsh truth. Its why Trump got so far on Make America Great again.

      • doktorzoom

        There’s dominant narratives, and then there’s the loads n loads n loads of historical evidence that not even authoritarian regimes can wipe out. It’s why Holocaust deniers have such a hard time — they have the difficult task of trying to ignore facts.

        Then again, they do keep managing to rope in the gullible.

        I’m reading a fun book about Flat Earth thinking, Christine Garwood’s Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea, and it’s a fascinating look at how frauds manage to exploit values like “free inquiry” and scientific caution to perpetrate humbugs. One of her case studies is a Victorian dude who went by the stage name “Parallax” and made buckets of money insisting all science was a fraud, and then doing fake “experiments” to explain why the Earth had to be a flat, unmoving plane. He almost certainly didn’t believe a word of his own nonsense, but gained followers.

        He reminded me of Terry Pratchett’s con man/industrial genius Moist von Lipwig, only without a Lord Vetinari to steer his dark talents to good.

        He’s alleged to have escaped an attempted armed robbery: When two guys with blunderbusses tried to rob him, he exclaimed, “Run for your lives! I’ve just burgled that house and the police are after me!” Or so goes the story passed down to his granddaughter.

    • Serai 1

      It’s why I just shake my head and sigh at people who think a “revolution” can happen without pain and bloodshed. What species do they thing they’re dealing with, anyway?

    • Swampgas_Man

      Because the Corps run the government, who decides what goes in the textbooks.

  • “IT’S TIME”
    FOR A HAPPY LABOR DAY!

    “https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/152e07e11bdbbe73519dd7c941caa1ae41a94930be5982d7c106efeff6dd5029.gif

  • bvee

    “yours for industrial freedom” – unless of course you try to cross the line, then it’s full-out fascism!

    • TJ Barke

      Go lick boots elsewhere, servile scum.

      • bvee

        that’s the union spirit!

    • jesterpunk
      • bvee

        very thuggy. fitting

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          how is that thuggy?
          Telling you to go fuck yourself, not submitting to the rich, that’s thuggery?

          You really should read a book or two.

          • bvee

            i guess i assumed he would use force to stop picket line crossers
            my bad

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            WTF are you even talking about? (shill).

          • ZangoCrudmonger

            Bizarre comment history. It’s as if their caps key is missing. Not. One. Bloody. Capital. Letter. In. A. Year.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            Well, mine gets stuck sometimes…I guess I’m optimistic.

          • doktorzoom

            Oh dear. That means archy the cockroach has become a wingnut and I’ve just banhammered him.

            sorry boss
            i guess
            i finally ate too much paste
            and voted for trump
            mehitable says hi
            she’s a cat meme now

            archy

          • Serai 1

            That pseudo-rebel “i’m too cool for correct usage” horseshit is just laughable. e.e.cummings he ain’t, that’s for sure.

          • jesterpunk

            We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

          • Nockular cavity

            Oh yes, holding a picket line is “fascism.” U no do words 2 gud.

            Shouldn’t you be ratting out people to be drug tested today? Get back to work, chop chop!

        • jesterpunk

          When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    • doktorzoom

      Boring troll is boring, banhammered.

      — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

    • Serai 1

      Oh, goody! I love it when I get to block someone right away.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ebbaee6f6baf92aed8d4ac411c412f0aa4e3c44f12dee9b6050b99bb6038c883.gif

      Saves so much time!

  • Covfefe

    FWIW, Walter Reuther always said he got more from Lansing and Washington than he ever got from the Big Three. Right To Work depresses union dues and the ability to compete in the political forum.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Walter Reuther Union Educational Camp is just about 10 miles away – every October our little Dem county group holds a big conference there…

      • Covfefe

        My first serious girl friend was from Onaway.

  • Granny Sprinkles

    Granny is attending a screening of Dolores followed by a panel discussion on the intersectionality of feminism and labor rights (featuring my kid). https://youtu.be/Unzr9kiFScQ
    If you’re near Charleston WV you should come too! If you can’t make it tonight, it’s at the Underground Cinema every Monday in September.

    • Christopher Story

      I love the theatre. Congratulations to you and yours. Wish I could attend.

    • Deborah Ujevich

      Oooh, thanx for the tip. I’m new to WV, I am always looking for things like this. I work 2-1030 tho, that puts me at a disadvantage for weekday events, boo.

    • BadKitty904

      Sic ’em, Granny’s kid!!!

  • spangled

    I worked at target for about a week- taught me lots about how fucked up labor practices are in this country.

    Went into it after graduating from a very prestigious university a few years ago. Was paid $9/hour – probably at the top of the basic cashier starting salary. Had to be drug tested. For a cashier position. In which you couldn’t even open your own cash register or walk through an employee door without passing through a security tag sensor.

    Half of the “training” was telling employees that joining a union is actually a bad decision and Target is really looking out for you. No benefits as far as I could tell, and it seemed like they were doing that “everyone works 39 hours a week so they’re part-time” thing. Several people who were working there were doing 39 hours a week at Target, 39 hours a week at Walmart.

    Customers and management treat you like you’re disposable at best, like shit at worst. It was fucking horrible. And I think Target has the reputation of being one of the better big box stores to work for…

    • Doug Langley

      I did the exact same thing for JC Penneys. It’s hell.

    • nmmagyar

      And Target is supposed to be the best of the big box store to work for…

      • Three Finger Salute

        Actually it’s Costco that’s widely considered the best. They already pay their employees $15/hr and apparently have solid benefits.

        Guess where they’re the most popular?

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/76c67b3564e0f30f279cf348f20299be4e696dcd8d5c3c9c1fdf7decbdd88bac.jpg

        Not tired of winning, eh.

        • suziq

          And I think they are union, though I am not sure. Very low turnover rate too.

          • Serai 1

            Bezos will buy them and fix those problems RIGHT up.

        • nmmagyar

          I never think of Costco as a big box, it’s more of a sacred place in my household…

        • SeekingCovfefeBarbie

          It means I can be happy to be a Costco member without guilt.

        • Covfefe

          Costco’s House label wines are excellent.

    • Fuck them.

    • Three Finger Salute

      At this point I’d take a job anywhere, even retail, as long as I knew I could do it and wouldn’t fuck up, get embarrassed and chewed out by management for not being fast enough on the assembly line at Lucy’s chocolate factory. I can’t do retail or food service because I’m a nervous wreck who cracks under pressure. I’m afraid of people to begin with. I don’t want to publicly humiliate myself by breaking down in tears. You know your limitations, and I know that’s what would happen to me.

      But since where I live, there’s literally nothing but retail stores and chain restaurants, that puts me SOL in terms of finding a job. Unless you have the kind of analytical left-brain mindset for healthcare or computers. I don’t. I have the creative mindset that would probably make a pretty colorful latte — if I didn’t have to make 20 of them all at once and remember everybody’s name. (I couldn’t work at the Cheers bar, obviously. I’d be calling out for Jerry and George instead of Norm and Cliff. Bad Beantowner.)

      My brother used to work at Target. He hated it. He would try to fit his schedule around school, but management decided to switch his hours even though he’d already signed up for a particular shift, and no amount of explaining that he was a student would persuade them otherwise. Actually, at one point he was told that by going to college, he was being disloyal to the company. He stuck it out long enough, but quit after graduation. Which goes to show you how bullshit those corporate-sponsored “pay for your education” programs are.

      • Maggielle

        I can do retail, but I totally bombed at restaurant work. Uncoordinated, nervous wreck, reduced to tears within an hour. At least in retail, I could sometimes achieve an automaton state of mind.

        • Gigglesnort

          The people who think everybody should get off their ass and get a job probably never tried the shit jobs that are out there, and sure don’t get that there are some people who just can’t do them. Those jobs may be low-skill but they are not low-stress. And if you fuck up or are absent a time or two you are going to be fired.

    • suziq

      To them you ARE disposable, which is why they treat you like that. Of course they are also very confused as to why they can’t find anyone who wants to work for $9/hour and no benefits (and don’t forget the crap hours!)

    • TundraGrifter

      Between colleges I worked for a grocery store in the Chicago area. Retail Clerks of America – over $20/hour. This was over 40 years ago. I very much doubt most supermarket employees are dragging that down today.

      I started as a bagger (also chasing shopping carts in the snow – that was pretty shitty) and moved up to cashier. Time-and-a-half for Sundays and Holidays.

      Most of the employees had gotten married and gone to work right out of high school, so in their mid-twenties they were starting to mess around on the side. Entertaining on several levels.

      I was glad to go back to school.

    • Swampgas_Man

      Same story as Wal-Mart, then. At least Target offers slightly better pay and doesn’t cut floor personnel to the point where it’s impossible to do your job, demand that floor people unload trucks every damn day (which is NOT what they tell you in Orientation) and fire people at the first opportunity. Got a LOT of grief in my heart for Wal-Mart.

    • Zyxomma

      No. Target has a reputation for being a decent experience for CUSTOMERS, not workers. You must be thinking of Costco.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    The Lizzie Sundstedt murder was a false flag operation organized by Hillary Clinton to cover up Benghazi.

    • Granny Sprinkles

      Prepare to be added to the Clinton Body Count. It was good knowin’ ya.

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω

    SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT…

    A HURRICANE WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR…
    * ANTIGUA…BARBUDA…ANGUILLA…MONTSERRAT…ST. KITTS…AND
    NEVIS
    * SABA…ST. EUSTATIUS…AND SINT MAARTEN
    * SAINT MARTIN AND SAINT BARTHELEMY

    A HURRICANE WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR…
    * GUADELOUPE
    * BRITISH VIRGIN ISLANDS
    * U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS
    * PUERTO RICO…VIEQUES…AND CULEBRA

    A TROPICAL STORM WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR…
    * DOMINICA

    http://hurricane.terrapin.com/ATL-11A/ctrack.html

    • Marla

      If this one does strike the U.S. I hope it either goes to D.C. or Wall Street. Or both.

      • BeachBum

        Ok, but can I get my Victory Garden planted, and chickens first ?

        • nmmagyar

          Obligatory: chickens are all assholes

        • eggs ackly-wright

          Do you plant your chickens head up or down?

          • BeachBum

            Shit, dunno, I just like to do the Hoover Special on Sundays.

      • Jeffocaster in the West

        No. Focused like a laser beam on Mar A Lago………

        • Marla

          Even better.

    • nmmagyar

      Isn’t that the lyrics to “Kokomo”

      • Three Finger Salute

        If you play it backwards, the lyrics are “I’m Mike Love, and I’m a no-talent, self-aggrandizing, Republican-voting hack who sold out to advertising and berated my already-troubled cousin to the point of a nervous breakdown, then sued him for the rights to the entire Beach Boys songbook because I knew he couldn’t and wouldn’t fight back.”

        Not as catchy, but more accurate than “Paul is dead.”

        Here, have a song about Brian, because nobody writes catchy tunes about Mike.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch84fmOa414

        • Me not sure

          Surf’s up!

      • Jeffocaster in the West

        Damn beat me to it

    • BadKitty904

      Preparations to protect life and property should be rushed to completion.

  • nmmagyar

    Dear Babby Jesus, does Disqus suck. 2 fucking weeks to get back in to not comment. I missed all of you very many.

    • SisterArtemis

      *waves*
      Welcome back!!!

      • nmmagyar

        THX!

    • BadKitty904
    • Jeffocaster in the West

      Raise a glass of palinka!!!!! (not associated with the whack job VP stooge that McCain picked…….)

      BTW, the good stuff………

    • Me not sure

      Non-comment harder! I can’t hear you!

    • Swampgas_Man

      My other favorite website, the avclub.com, switched from Disqus to (shudder!) KINJA. Count yer blessings, dude.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        I have a new tolerance for Disqus after seeing that shit.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    Yes, it’s totally because Colin Kaepernick can’t play football no more. It’s not about his politics. (Note: Joe Webb has not thrown a pass in a professional football game in six years).

    https://twitter.com/buffalobills/status/904696810849136640

    • Persistent Demme

      FWIW, Kap is on the right side of history.
      (Cold comfort, I know.)

  • Msgr_MΩment
    • TundraGrifter

      That is very clever – and very funny!

      My Mom told me she thought there was a hobo sign in front of their home when she was growing up because they used to come to the back door looking for a handout – and her family was generally good for one.

  • Maggielle

    Honestly, that photo of Mae Sundstedt is already haunting me. The only things I could find out about her was that she died in 1996, that her married name was Foster, and that she’s buried in Green Hills Memorial Park in Los Angeles.

  • SisterArtemis

    So, I always work Labor Day, and always think of everyone else who’s at work on this day, serving food and driving buses and working cash registers, or maybe taking care of people at a hospital, or intervening in a domestic violence situation, or helping out folks in a nasty auto accident. There are a lot of us who work on Labor Day and all the other Monday holidays.

    But this year, I want to express my appreciation for all of the people working the horrific wildfires in the Northwest. It’s smokey down here in Eugene (the pic below is the view from my shop; those hazy trees are less than a block away), and I can only imagine what it’s like up in the hills where the fires are raging. Bless every damn one of those folks, putting their lives on the line to save as much as they can. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/73bc7dc2c4838e824814bdb1c5ed2e812e8d695e5b4eb0fe054e731fca2f52d5.jpg
    second picture is the wildfire map for the area
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3174bb7abf3fe638dd7e2ff1f3be3311155fe3d1cf88f6be723ce6e043c2802a.jpg

    • Maggielle

      A million upvotes.

    • SisterArtemis

      Oh, meant to put in the link for the map:
      https://www.fireweatheravalanche.org/fire/

    • Panika MCD
    • Persistent Demme

      Lawyer-daughter drove from Portland to central OR somewhere for a wedding this weekend, and it sounds rough!
      She called me from the road.
      It sounds like the combination of air-quality issues, and lane closures are making life miserable there.
      Take care!

    • Red Richmond

      Hear hear! My wife’s hotel has firefighters stay there almost every night, coming in saturated in ash and smoke and exhausted, but then the next day they’re right back out there on the line. Heroes, every last one of them.

      Houston and all the places around there, I know you guys are hurting down there from the rains and all, believe me up here in the northwest if we could have taken at least some of that bullet for you, we would have gladly done so.

      Here’s another map of the fires around here. West Montana in particular looks like it’s basically all on fire: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/408a53abf2fdf128f38338d8d8e8388872cd278d33a2a7ea8057f8f2f63966ac.jpg

  • Jeffocaster in the West

    In honor of Labor Day, and the workers, not the goons and ginks and company finks and the deputy sheriffs who made the raid…..

    I donated to my favorite socialist website….WONKETTE!!!!

    • ZangoCrudmonger

      Obligatory: “I thought we were an autonomous collective!1!” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE

      • Cat Cafe of the Subpoenas

        “Behold the violence in’erent in the system!”

      • RMKH

        Actually, I’m all for farcical aquatic ceremonies – crick swimming, trout harassment, sitting with a beer and my feet in the river.

      • Résistance Land Shark Ω

        Oh, but you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.

  • Serai 1
  • Mavenmaven

    But they are interested in having women be in labor all the time.

    • BadKitty904
    • Three Finger Salute

      Language is interesting. Childbirth is a lot of hard work, and so is raising kids. Which is why there have been some feminists who argued in favor of something called mother’s wages — literally, compensation for the overlooked and unpaid but still necessary tasks that women bear the brunt of doing so that the kids can be all right. Included in this would be paid maternity leave (or just paid maternity, whether employed or not), and healthcare reform so that prenatal care and the eventual visit to the maternity ward don’t land anyone with a dime to pay at all.

      ‘Course, nobody listened, because not only does this sound too communist, but it might make women’s lives a bit easier instead of having them suffer for their sins and the curse of Eve. A curse, by the way, that involves “knowledge” — not only of the cognitive-awareness sort, but a word that, in an archaic definition, also meant awareness of sex. For Unpatriotic Communist Knowledge. It’s part of why apples are associated with schoolteachers, “schoolmarms” with women — and both of them with evil. Eve + ill.

      The Bible even says that part of her punishment for “knowledge” is to suffer labor in pain. Painful “labor” = painful childbirth, but also a life of suffering and “work,” as indentured servitude to do penance in perpetuity. The word trabajo in Spanish (trabalho in Portuguese), is a cognate of trouble for a reason. Trouble, suffering, pain, labor, work.

      That divinely-“justified” punishment of women is why Abrahamic theocracies (and the conservatives in Western democracies who want their countries to become Abrahamic theocracies) also tend to be rape apologists. All the better, in their view, if childbirth occurs as a result. The more trouble/work/”labor” you can cause a woman, the greater your standing in the eyes of God. “His” eyes, of course.

      They hate Eve, and they’re psychotically ill. So they’re really the ones who are Eve + ill.

  • Joe Beese

    Jeremy Renner may got an Oscar nomination for his work in Wind River. He’s really good in it.

    If you’re making any Hawkeye/Scarlet Witch jokes going in (Elizabeth Olsen co-stars), you won’t be coming out. It’s bleak.

    • nmmagyar

      Is he nekkid at any point in the film?

      • Joe Beese

        Stiflingly dressed in Carhartt throughout. But if virtuous outdoorsman types are your thing, you’ll have no complaints.

        Olsen does have a rather gratuitous thong flash at one point.

        • nmmagyar

          Blue collar drag is almost as hot as nekkid, so I’ll take it. That man gets my juices flowing like a 15 y/o with a new bottle of lotion…

          • Joe Beese

            Unlike, say, Tom Cruise in War of the Worlds, he’s completely believable as someone who works for a living.

          • CovfefeOfTheThoughtlessMind

            Tom wasn’t believable as a worker in that movie, nor as a dad, and the damn kids were not believable as actual human kids.

          • nmmagyar

            He’s not believable as an actor or heterosexual either

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Prolly because he does – he flips houses in the off-season, and I think I read there were a few years where he made a lot more at that than at acting.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      White savior film. Not interested.

      • Joe Beese

        Yeah, if you’re sensitive to that, there are some scenes that will give you that stabby feeling.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Movie was okay. 7/10. There is an air of white man rescues hopeless Indians in it.

  • spangled

    democrats aren’t losing local seats and influence because of bad sloganeering or whatever, it’s because our biggest grassroots base – unions – have been thoroughly busted.

    loads of democrat politicians got their start in union halls. these days, how do you start a political career? sure you can build up followers online and get some support for your message, but in 2017 you need a shit ton of money to win a race.

    • Panika MCD

      we’re starting to gain them back. we got quite a few in 2016 (that popular vote was really good for something) and in municipals and local special elections this year.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      I am seriously disappointed in the DNCC’s lack of support for congressional candidates running in the special elections this year (yes, Ossoff GA-06 is a big example). Many of those candidates raised their money on their own through small donations before the DNCC even noticed or cared.
      Fuck them and I told them so last week when they called me for $200. I actually had an argument with the asshole who called me. I explained that I was retired and that I gave small donations when I could, but that I gave my biggest donation in time, volunteering for candidates. He went all whiney with “but we have matching!” and I said that I didn’t care and that if he bothered to look at my ActBlue history he would never find such a large lump sum.
      I don’t even know why they called since I told the DNCC not to call me after they stole money from me through ActBlue during the presidential campaign.
      Pro-tip? Never sign up for recurring donations.

      • SadDemInTex

        I haven’t given to the DNCC since the last Obama campaign. I have made it clear to them that I only give locally and personally. When Wonkette suggests someone to give to I usually do. I feel especially butt-hurt because of Wasserman-Schultz and her crappy leadership. I want Howard Dean back…then I might give. In the meantime…locally, personally, and animal charities.

  • Joe Beese
    • RMKH

      Bet he’s covering Pat Boone

      • Wild Cat

        He’s playing Bowie’s “Be My Wives.”

        • Daniel

          That’s low.

          • Wild Cat

            Are you leaving tonight on a plane?

          • Daniel

            [pictoral comment redacted – I drew something awful on it]

    • our next president.

      • Lord Jim

        Gotta get Ryan outta the way first.

    • Three Finger Salute

      “His parents named him Orrin because: they hated him.”

      -Daily Show “Profiles in Profile” from 1999 when Orrin was gearing up to run in the presidential primaries. (Damn, does that ever seem quaint. A world without W.)

    • Alienist

      An now for something completely different….A man with three buttocks!

      (Apologies to Monty Python.)

  • Panika MCD

    one thing that gives me hope: the Texas Association of Business and TX AFL-CIO work well together. they’ve found that it’s much better to retain workers who already know how to do the job than to lose them to better employers and have to train new workers. they’ve also found that they don’t have to pay as much in taxes when their workers are paid a wage that doesn’t require them to rely on government services. did you see Walmart on the KeepTXOpen list? no. you did not. because they don’t give a shit about their workers.

  • La forza del resistino

    Hugs to Dok for the Wobblie love.
    Donald has several NLRB director openings to fill but is undecided which friends of the working stiff are the best fit. Ivanka, Sheriff Joe or Mr. Potter.

    • BadKitty904
      • Three Finger Salute

        Also, Jewish people who fought to have Saturday off in addition to the traditional Christian resting day. To think, if only we could be more accepting of Muslims, we might have a three-day weekend. They probably wouldn’t hit the pubs, but most likely wouldn’t object if someone else wanted to. Not all teetotalers are religious either. Some people might just use the day for, y’know, rest.

        Now there isn’t really a weekend off, let alone “after work” hours, because now with the Internet, you’re expected to have your cell phone/pager (does anyone still use pagers?)/computer accessible 24/7 even if you don’t work in emergency services. Go out for a pizza with your family for your kid’s birthday? Better leave your phone on, otherwise you might get fired for not putting the boss first!

        It’s because of this that I really, really want Canada to strong-arm the U.S. into ending right-to-work legislation as a condition of NAFTA. I mean, it’s not like Trudeau hasn’t strong-armed Trump before…

        https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2017/02/13/13-trump-trudeau-1.nocrop.w710.h2147483647.jpg

        • The Librarian

          No pager! No pager! You’re the pager!! God, I hated those things.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Now I think it’s something called “push notifications”? Except on Trump’s Twitter, which has Putsch Notifications.

          • The Librarian

            Yes to both, lol

  • BeachBum

    The thing about the Depression that gets me (besides Repeal and Replace of Prohibition) was that we did not go to Fascism or Communism, but we did expect a duly elected GOVERNMENT to help us. In every recession, disaster, national emergency, war, we have essentially kept that thinking and expect great things from our govt. Somebody once said we will put a man on the moon, and everybody said ” sure, good idea, wtf not !” Everybody wants the govt to be there for them. With 360 million and counting IT WILL NEVER BE SMALL GOVT.
    I don’t see why some people cant see thru that bullshit.

    • Wolf Tracker

      We also don’t want Big Brother in our personal lives and another Patriot Act.

      I think we need balance and some things are better handled at state and local level if you want things to get done.

    • Three Finger Salute

      ~330M officially, not 360M. Though it’ll probably get there soon, if we don’t have an American Holocaust (or a nuclear one). Thing is, people expect a decimation of the “undeserving” so that government (though they dare not call it that) will be there only for them and nobody else.

    • SisterArtemis

      With 360 million and counting IT WILL NEVER BE SMALL GOVT.

      That made me think of something I wrote back in 2009, related to the health care debate, but applicable to so many topics

      … I don’t know one way or another what the founders thought about taking care of those who were doing without. What I do know is that however it looked in the late 18th century, the landscape of American society is very different in the 21st.

      This is where a look at the numbers becomes important.

      Take a community of 50 or a hundred people. When someone’s health or finances (or any number of other issues) gets rocky, it’s not too hard for their fellow citizens to step in and lend a hand, provide support, give leg-up or whatever it takes. And I think Katy Abrams, who maintains faith in people’s desire to help, to volunteer, is right to think that we can rely on people’s good intentions to deal with those who are “doing without.”

      When the community is bigger, say a thousand people, it’s still a small enough number that folks can keep an eye out for each other, but it’s a little harder to coordinate, and there are also a larger number of people in need. But still, it’s quite possible for the community to take care of its own.

      When that group jumps to a city of five or ten thousand people, things start to change. It’s harder to see who is in need, it’s harder to coordinate, and the sheer numbers of people in need is much higher. At that point, the citizens pool their resources through some kind of group effort organized by, say, the City Council or the Health Department or some other small government agency. Doesn’t cut out citizen involvement, but the government backing of the effort to help the needy makes it more possible to spot the need, address it, and keep people from falling through the cracks.

      When you are dealing with a major city of 100,000 or better, involvement of the government in taking care of those in need is absolutely required, or it just doesn’t happen. No one neighborhood, church, or volunteer group can take care of everybody at that point. It’s time for the city or county or state government to step in, not to interfere or control, but to do what it’s supposed to be doing: provide a citizen-based coordinated effort to help the citizenry take care of its self. The government, after all, is US, its members drawn from our own ranks, not interlopers from some other universe.
      [from my sporadic blog]

      • Lord Jim

        Hear, Hear!

      • Three Finger Salute

        Should have kept the Civilian Conservation Corps. Instead of calling up the boys (and later, girls and everyone in between) to go get maimed and killed blowing shit up in other countries, “bring the war home” and have people serve their country domestically. We haven’t fought a just war since WW2. Send helpers internationally too, but only if they need help (like natural disasters and such), not “nation building” so that the never-embarrassed billionaires can become trillion- and quadrillionaires hoarding fossil fuels and who knows what else while the rest of us don’t even get crumbs.

    • spangled

      it’s why the GOP is incapable of handling a catastrophe – to fix a recession or depression or natural disaster, you have to throw money and resources at it. if my house is on fire, I’m not going to worry about my water bill, i’m going to use a bunch of water to put out the fucking fire.

      if you can’t fix a desperate situation because your “big government is bad” ideology gets in the way, you are not qualified to lead.

      • Three Finger Salute

        But with things like healthcare and all the other amenities that other countries have, isn’t the flipside of having a third of a billion people that national programs won’t scale — and they basically have to be a network of states only providing for their own states, otherwise the whole thing will collapse?

        Perhaps, had we gone with an NHS right after the war, the program would have scaled and people would have gotten used to it over time, been putting money in (like Social Security) so that it could be shored up. Now we’re trying to start from scratch with a third of a billion people, attempting to copy a model that works for our northern neighbor who has only a tenth of that — and started their program 50 years ago.

        Then there’s all the nitpicky ideological debates on which neither “side” will budge. Most of them having to do with religion, unfortunately. The Republicans will never allow the Hyde Amendment to be tossed so that an American NHS can also cover abortions. But the Democrats (or at least none worth their salt) aren’t about to treat women’s healthcare as an OOP luxury just because forced-birthers have a hue and cry about fetal “souls” and giving Jebus a sad.

        I dunno, I think if there had been a way to let Dixie go and rescue the slaves, or just not constitutionally outlaw divorce, we’d have been better off with the two Americas only looking after themselves, instead of being faced with 330M people at each other’s throats over where “my” tax dollars go versus “your” tax dollars. America needs Partition. It’s too big, the marriage has failed, and staying together for the kids doesn’t work.

        • SadDemInTex

          The problem with “partition” is that you think that North/South East/West are monolithic thought blocks. There are plenty of “democrats”, “liberals” in the South and West and there are plenty of white supremacists and bigots/”Rethugs” throughout the North and East. When I was growing up in California (I am from San Francisco) I used to visit family friends who lived up in the gold country of the Sierra Nevada foothills. The John Birch Society flourished up there and it flourished in many rural areas. Bigotry was rife in the Bay Area. Why do you thing the Black Panthers formed? It was in response to police violence against black men and the segregation and marginalization of black communities. There were no gun control laws in California. Bobby Seale (who went to law school) figured out that black men could open carry guns and the police could do not beat the shit out of them for no reason, nor would they mess too much with men carrying guns. Raygun (governor at the time) panicked and enacted gun laws to prevent the lawful open carry that black men were doing.

          As for the South/West…yes, there are a lot of bigots around, but there are a lot of liberals, too. And frankly you will create a war if you decide to forcibly move people around just because of the way they vote and what they think. I think they kept telling the Jews in Germany that they were “re-settling” them somewhere. Is that the model you really want us to follow?

    • Toledo Window Box

      The biggest economy in the world, the biggest military in the world, the biggest melting pot of people in the world, and these idiots think it can be run simply.

    • Serai 1

      Wingnuts only want “small government” for OTHER people. They definitely want government to be “big” for THEM when THEY need it. But they don’t want to pay for it, of course. Jesus Christ, talk about freeloaders!

  • BadKitty904

    Per our friends at the National Hurricane Center at 2PM:

    There is an increasing chance of seeing some impacts from Irma in the Florida Peninsula and the Florida Keys later this week and this weekend. In addition, rough surf and dangerous marine conditions will begin to affect the southeastern U.S. coast by later this week. Otherwise, it is still too early to determine what direct impacts Irma might have on the continental United States. However, everyone in hurricane-prone areas should ensure that they have their hurricane plan in place, as we are now near the peak of the season.

    • Rick Hill

      Weather underground’s projected path, ensemble of likely movement
      https://icons.wunderground.com/data/images/at201711_ensmodel.gif

      • BadKitty904

        How much you wanna bet the Okeechobee dikes haven’t been properly maintained in years? Shades of the Okeechobee Hurricane of 1928, when waters from the lake basically swept away the cities of Belle Glade, Canal Point, Chosen, Pahokee, and South Bay and at least 2,500 people were drowned.

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          Eleventy to the bazillion quatloos.

      • Left Coast Tom

        Current 3 and 5 day tracks per NHC, showing a path more towards Cuba than yesterday’s Bahamas.

        Cuba is mountainous…if the track goes over Cuba first then that might weaken it a bit, if the track misses Cuba then not so much. Seems to suck for Cuba (and, for the US, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands) either way.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dc4ac175673c7bacce2a894e52de0bab4aff4ab982b39a61cc71a38ffcfaee4f.png

    • greyXstar

      Well shit.

      • BadKitty904

        Not time to start panicking – yet – but certainly time to start preparing.

    • Royal Ugly Globalist Dude

      So are we going to have a thousand-year storm every month now?

      • BadKitty904

        I think that’s why it’s called “climate change“…

      • Persistent Demme

        And is San Francisco gonna be hot in the summer?!
        106 on Fri. and 102 on Sat.
        The house STILL hasn’t cooled down!
        Do I have to install AC now?!
        My narrow and tall house was not built for this!

        I know lots of you have it worse, but we (and the flora and fauna) are still in shock.

        • Royal Ugly Globalist Dude

          I was in the city over the weekend, and I couldn’t get relief from the heat. Everyplace I went didn’t have air conditioning. They never thought they’d need it!

  • Panika MCD

    this is Troy. I helped him to his kennel yesterday and now we’re looking for a foster for him. look at that smile! found in a damn tree and heartworm positive, but still smiling. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/863852139a8c22be3d260217737af78e896334185f653e49022ae6375561d55a.jpg

    • The Librarian

      What a sweet face. Who’s a brave boy?

  • TJ Barke

    Why do they have to shuffle the controls for every new Assassin’s Creed game..?

    • BadKitty904

      Keeps ya on yer toes, dude…

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      I played a couple of those, but I’m afraid of heights and they totally freaked me out the whole time.

      • TJ Barke

        I find it kind of amazing that a game could actually trigger that feeling.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          It was amazing and impressive. Especially in the places where I had to actually jump into those piles of hay. I had to psyche myself up to do it.

  • La forza del resistino

    Donald to punt DACA to congress to come up with a plan. Steve King gets to copyright the title of his memoir The Art of the Heel.

    • Wolf Tracker

      From what I have read most of congress including Reps do not want to eliminate DACA and it would severely hurt businesses and the economy so I am hopeful congress will do an immigration reform bill like the senate passed in 2012.

      They have the numbers if they just have the willpower and sense to reject Trump’s base.

      If not they will lose even more seats in 2018 to Dems I feel.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        good luck with that – hatin’ on immigrants is a time honored Republican tradition.

        The only reason DACA is in place is because the Republican congress during the obama years wouldn’t pass a reasonable bill.

        • Wolf Tracker

          Rep senate passed immigration reform in 2012. Boehner refused to bring it up for a vote because he knew Dems and enough Mod reps would vote to pass it and the Tea party would throw him out in his ass.

          Red states especially farming rely on immigration labor.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Are we talking about the same Congress that has refused to take up the issue for the last two years?

        • Wolf Tracker

          Yup but they are under the gun now thanks to Trump and an election coming up.

          We will see if they shoot themselves or Trump I guess.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Smart money says they’ll fold and kiss Donnie’s ass. If he actually wants the legislation bad enough (which is highly unlikely, all he wants is a win to appease the base), they’ll give it to him. If not, they’ll punt, because they are afraid of the base or worse yet, are true believers themselves (especially the House freedumb caucus).

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Steve King can kiss my turds.

  • Joe Beese
    • therblig

      that makes me laugh and cry at the same time. damn, i hate feelings.

  • Wild Cat

    Labor? There’s no labor in the US. Just temporarilly embarrassed millionaires . . .

    • Serai 1

      Yep. That’s precisely why the working population in this country will never win – because they’re so easily bamboozled.

  • CATMAN

    Donny says he LOVES the Dreamers, now he is going to prove it by trying to fuck each and every one of them

    • Toledo Window Box

      He’s Bizarro World Oprah.

      And YOU get deported! And YOU get deported! And YOU! You ALL get deported!

  • Joe Beese

    From 2003:

    “We’re aware of two kinds of technical innovations,” says Walter Becker. “Category number one are things that help us do something sonically or musically that we couldn’t do before, but probably already wanted to do for 20 years. Category number two are things that can increase our income. So every time somebody comes up with a new format in which our material can be repackaged, we put aside whatever forebodings we may have about the durability or advisability of the new format. Instead we throw our weight 110 percent behind it to get the product out there on the shelves and see if anyone will buy it.

    “People are now downloading music for free from the Internet, so what this is about is creating a new set of technologies that the record companies are better able to defend from public dissemination and duplication via the Internet. And they’re going to sweep up all these new bucks and get people in Third World countries to go out and buy DVD players and discs with 5.1 and God knows what other formats, and then the Americans won’t have to send in their armies. You see?”

    https://www.soundonsound.com/people/steely-dan

  • CO
    • Joe Beese

      That darned Bernie!

      • Joe Beese

        Just out of curiosity, now that Kamala Harris is also advocating for single payer, does she get all the “pony” sneers too?

        • SisterArtemis

          Just out of curiosity, now that Kamala Harris is also advocating for single payer a woman, does she get all the “pony” sneers too?

          fify

          Actually, I suppose she’ll get shit for both, plus her scandalous affiliation with Big Government

        • jesterpunk

          Yes, they are pushing the excuse that she is only for it because it wont pass.

          • Joe Beese

            Heh… like the Republicans claiming they wanted to repeal Obamacare?

          • jesterpunk

            Pretty much.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            So many morons, so few flaming votes to give.

            {{{Sigh, SMDH, RMDE}}}

        • Chyron HR

          Dunno, has Harris also endorsed berning the country to the ground if we don’t get single payer NOW?

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          Kamala Harris has been getting shit simply for the crime of being yet another female in Bernie’s way

          • Joe Beese

            I wasn’t into politics back then, so I need to ask: When Kerry lost to W. in 2004, were Democrats already at each other’s throats about the next primary contest as early as September 2005?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Not like this- they were pretty demoralized after W got reelected and then the Hillary buzz started. Obama had made a name for himself with that speech, but wasn’t considered candidate material until well after that point.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          Dunno. Did she accuse Clinton or any other Democrats of being neoliberal shills because they didn’t think single payer was realistic before 8 months of Republicans fucking up so bad that they’ve changed the debate?

    • Toledo Window Box

      The 2016 election was a clear case of one candidate that was awesome at DOING the job, not so great at GETTING the job, and another candidate that was incapable of doing the job, but surprisingly good at getting the job.

    • SisterArtemis

      Thanks for posting that – I screenshot the page-shot, and posted in on facebook. I saw this dynamic in the campaign. I saw the GOP candidates pull this crap on each other, and I’ve seen the same dynamic in a lot of political and religious arguments (attacks against feminists are rife with it). But it was chilling in the Clinton campaign, because it’s so hard to combat it with anything that doesn’t just become more fodder for misuse, and with the country at stake… well, we see where it’s gotten us.

      • CO

        No problem. Apparently she goes after him quite hard in the book. I am looking forward to reading it.

    • Moebym of the Returners

      How dare Hillary spoil the magical thinking of the Bernie supporters by giving them a dose of reality!

      Also, I need that book.

    • Serai 1

      He’s a duplicitous, self-worshipping, delusional asshole who doesn’t realize the only people who can stand him are people who’ve never actually spent any time with him.

      • Bitter Scribe

        IK,R? I hate the way he kept slagging on Hillary, just about calling her corrupt, long after it was clear he would never win the nomination.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
    • therblig

      “Donald Trump said he would give me 10 AMERICAN ponies, tax free, but now the damn homo libruls won’t let him give them to me” – Cletus McTrumpanzee

  • chascates

    Paul Robeson sings “Joe Hill”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Kxq9uFDes

  • Persistent Demme

    MUELLER!!!!

  • Serai 1
    • BadKitty904

      Bee butts!

    • Joe Beese

      Bee-tocks

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Mm…get all the nectar yus…

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      My, it’s hot in here.

      • Rags

        I’ll be in my hive.

    • Rags
  • Panika MCD

    I’ve seen two negative stories about the Red Cross this week. not news stories. stories from people and volunteers at the shelters in Wharton and Jefferson Co. the shelters in Austin and Houston have had a good experience, but the ones in Wharton and Jefferson Co. have seen their evacuees and volunteers yelled at, donated hot meals being thrown away and other abuses. how can this be reported to the Red Cross so that the people doing these things in the smaller communities can be reported?

    • jesterpunk

      I would try their contact us information. Either the main number or the training/certification issues.

      http://www.redcross.org/contact-us

      Main Phone Number: 1 800 RED CROSS ( 1-800-733-2767)

      National Headquarters Staff Directory: 202-303-5214

      Training/Certification Issues: 1 800 RED CROSS > prompt “Health and Safety”

      Public Inquiry: 202-303-4498 (Monday – Friday, 8am to 5pm EST)

      Employment Verification: 1-800 367-5690 and provide code: 11539

      Vendors (for existing vendors only): 1-888-316-4695

      If you are a vendor/supplier looking to partner with the Red Cross please click here.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i’ve seen some blog posts that are negative.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Almost everyone at the county level ARC are community volunteers and they have also lost their homes and jobs because of Harvey and are volunteering many hours without sleep.

      Not saying all volunteers are great people but most are and they are under trying under and very difficult conditions.

      • Panika MCD

        thanks for not reading the whole thing and mansplaining to me. it’s staffers yelling at the vols and evacuees.

        • Wolf Tracker

          Those “staffers” are also probably local volunteers. 95% of ARC are volunteers.

          You are welcome.

          • Panika MCD

            the people we’re trying to report on aren’t, dipshit. it’s 2-3 people per site. everyone else is a volunteer. the volunteers are being yelled at by the 2-3 people that are paid in the shelters in smaller communities.

            GO FUCK YOURSELF.

          • Wolf Tracker

            I bet you are a real angel to work with too lol!

          • Panika MCD

            well, you are a waste of time and space. I asked a very specific question and not only were you not helpful, you were the condescending prick you’ve always been.

          • Wolf Tracker

            You just didn’t like my response because it revealed you didn’t know they were volunteers and I am guessing you have issues with anyone that doesn’t agree with you especially if they are men.

            That’s OK. We don’t have to be friends.

            Moving on!

          • Panika MCD

            I did know about the volunteers, you fucking moron. they’re the ones reporting these things. these are shelters in small communities. they know who is from their community which means they know who the volunteers are.

            I’m guessing you have issues with reading and we all already know you have issues with anyone who disagrees with you.

            go somewhere else to find your dream stalker.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Oh, dream stalker

            I believe that you think you’re always right

            Oh, dream stalker

            I believe that you’ll keep this up all night*

            *apologies to Gary Wright

          • jesterpunk

            but the ones in Wharton and Jefferson Co. have seen their evacuees and volunteers yelled at, donated hot meals being thrown away and other abuses.

            http://www.troll.me/images/idiot-gaston/tthe-qu-quick-this-reading-shit-is-hard.jpg

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            She didn’t like your response because 1) it was asinine and 2) it didn’t indicate any comprehension of what she actually said.

            But sure, she’s a man-hater. Gee whiz, that makes it so much easier than trying to suss out that the people who are behaving badly are the people ostensibly in charge at that level (who are actual ARC staff, not volunteers).

          • Wolf Tracker

            15 years with the ARC as county community health and services director.

            Those “staffers” are also probably local volunteers. 95% of ARC are volunteers.

            “and mansplaining to me.”

            I rest my case.

            Have a great day!

          • Panika MCD

            these are SMALL communities. they know who is from their communities, therefore they know who the volunteers are. how many times does it take for that to sink in? what the fuck is wrong with you?

            maybe you have no experience with small towns. maybe you’re illiterate. maybe you’re just an asshole, facial hair thief, no eyebrow having, Confederate apologist!

          • Suttree

            Idiot or troll? Discuss.

          • Panika MCD

            it’s the facial hair thief.

          • Suttree

            Confederate apologist also too.

          • Panika MCD

            I know. he’s just mad because he has no eyebrows.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Nice to see the clique is back together,

            You all have a great day. I will!

          • Suttree

            I’m sure that there are many other people who dislike you besides us.

          • Panika MCD

            only reason I can think of that a confederate apologist would be here is that the confederates can’t stand him either.

          • jesterpunk

            Its hard to do a confederate reenactment without a beard.

          • therblig

            mary chestnut libelz!!

          • jesterpunk

            Oh everyone who disagrees with you is just doing it to be cool? It must be nice living in your fantasy world.

          • Panika MCD

            yeah, because you’re too stupid to know that communities of 2-5 thousand people generally can tell between who is a local volunteer and who is a paid staffer with a massive organization who has been pawned off on them. truly an fine specimen of “ignorance is bliss” you are!

          • SeekingCovfefeBarbie

            Oh, FFS. Now I remember you and your ridiculous “clique” shit. Stay gone this time.

          • Shanzgood

            A bunch of people repeatedly telling you you’re being an asshole doesn’t mean they’re a clique, it just means you’re being an asshole. Pay attention.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/62367ae9813c8feb3af10e0cd3ca74928ad18277527e835eb679f3a23cca0748.jpg

          • Suttree

            If you meet an asshole in the morning you met an asshole. If you meet assholes all day……

          • Serai 1

            Is that that “wolf tracker” fuckhead?

          • Suttree

            Yup. Dok shoulda banned him the first time!

          • Serai 1

            Useless cretin. I really can’t stand those JAQoff idiots.

          • Shanzgood

            I don’t think his comments are egregious enough to be ban-worthy. Mock-worthy, yes.

          • Suttree

            Dok talked to him his first day here, and said that it was close to banning time, just because he was an annoyance.

          • jesterpunk

            Yes

          • BeachBum

            Seems to not have a great intellectual curiosity.

          • Suttree

            And is an asshole to boot.

          • Wolf Tracker

            I suppose that wasn’t a personal attack either.

          • Suttree

            But you are an idiot troll. The only people who talk to you just don’t realize it yet.

    • SadDemInTex

      BTW, Beto recommends http://www.portlight.org which helps the disabled community in disasters. I gave to them instead of the Red Cross. I also almost exclusively give to animal charities. Besides myriad dog/cat/pet rescue I also give to Rogers Wildlife Rehabilitation Center (which is near DFW metro). The center specializes in wild bird rescue and the center is taking in birds from rehab centers affected by Harvey including a parrot rescue center. They have a webpage. I have visited the location many times. They are amazing and every penny goes to the animals.

      • Panika MCD

        I’ve been volunteering at APA!, giving to BLMHOU and various food banks, and plan to donate to Bat World who are working with TX A&M to evacuate and rehab bats so they can be put back down there to eat all the mosquitoes!

        • Shanzgood

          Thanks for the link to the video the other day of the animal shelter volunteer being reunited with her OWN dog. That was really happy nice times!

        • Suttree
          • OutOfOrbit

            bat are good they eat a fuck-ton of flying insects every night

          • Suttree

            In high school I used to go out and sit on a big rock in the stream that was behind the house, and get stoned. The bats swooping up and down the river would come scary close to my head. The kept a lot of the skeeters away though. :)

          • OutOfOrbit

            i have plans for a bat house build but haven’t quite gotten around to making one

          • Panika MCD

            but it’s so easy!

          • OutOfOrbit

            yeah but, you know… …

          • Panika MCD

            you don’t need to huff the wood glue!

          • OutOfOrbit

            it is getting it in me ears & my hair the messes me up

          • Suttree

            It might help get him excited about it!

          • OutOfOrbit

            Nooooooo! stop it right now

          • Panika MCD

            then he needs to make his purchases with that in mind!

          • Shanzgood

            Tell him it can have boobs.

          • OutOfOrbit

            you are a trouble maker have have given me a idea!

          • tehbaddr

            Not bats, flying foxes! There’s a world of difference. You learn that when you get face to face with one.

        • SadDemInTex

          If I look up Bat World would the correct webpage come up?

  • theCryptofishist

    Oh yeah! I can join AFSCME!

  • Nounverb911
    • BadKitty904

      “Impressive” that she could spend so much and get so little for it. She should be a Republican legislator…

    • Suttree

      And it still looks like a paper tablecloth.

      • Joe Beese

        The high belt makes it look like she has a tummy.

        • Suttree

          She would have gotten away with it if the pool boy had been lighter skinned.

        • suziq

          That’s what I was thinking, she looks kind of fat and certainly is not so very bad choice. Then I started to think it would be funny to start a rumor that she is knocked up but I started to gag before I finished that thought. ew.

      • Shanzgood

        Circa 1986

        Meow!

    • Wolf Tracker

      And it is ugly to boot!

      • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

        For someone who worked in fashion and has lots of money for clothes, she picks some ugly clothes. Of course, there’s also her taste in men.

        • Wolf Tracker

          Most of what she wears is nice but THAT is an ugly dress in my opinion.

          Her taste in men goes without saying- she went for the money!

          • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

            More likely, she believed his bullshit about having money.

    • tehbaddr

      Stunning!

  • Joe Beese

    I see some right-wing blogs with panties bunched over the Chinese ambassador to the UN’s statement that they “will never allow chaos and war” on the Korean peninsula.

    How dare anyone tell us what they’ll “allow” when it comes to the US bombing people! That’s our God-given right!

    • BadKitty904

      How are these people not aware that China and North Korea have a long-time mutual-defense pact? Putin’s certainly aware of it…

      • Three Finger Salute

        Know who isn’t? President “Me #1 and America #2, But Not Necessarily In that Order”. He’s too busy golden-showering tweetstorms on the press over the same tired old shit like his inauguration crowd and his hands, travel-banning the mom of a DACA recipient who died rescuing Harvey victims, and now gearing up to pick a fight with Canada because Trudeau “betrayed him” when his NAFTA team told Snot Walker to stick the invisible hand of his freak market where the sunny ways don’t shine. He doesn’t even care about North or South Korea. He probably thinks the mutual defense pact is a Chinese hoax that Obama made up and Hillary went along with, and/or that we ought to just just flip a coin and get rid of one of them, so that we can only have one Korea and the war gets over with “on time and under budget.” He’ll aim the bomb at the Dakotas or Carolinas instead. I think Putin underestimated how much of an idiot his useful idiot truly is. Not to mention, he’s useless.

        • BadKitty904

          Amen. This grandstanding bullshittery by the Traitor is solely to:

          a.) try and prove that he’s somehow relevant and important;
          b.) distract voters and taxpayers from the current investigation of his treason with Russia.

          • Three Finger Salute

            c.) BOT,K.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          It’s hard to believe he thinks the South is “appeasing” the North. You know, despite any North Korean who crosses the DMZ is practically shot on sight by the ROK.

  • Carpe Vagenda
    • RMKH

      Amazing there are so many left. They saved thousands of lives.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Has Turing gotten his posthumous knighthood yet? He needs to. He cracked the Enigma machine, and then the British government turned around and cracked him for Orwellian lovecrime. I believe he was pardoned. No ceremonial honors as of yet AFAIK. Even despite the success of the “Imitation Game” movie.

        Also, I wonder if there are any of the Windtalkers still alive. They were Native Americans hired as cryptographers in WW2. The Germans couldn’t decipher their languages, which became part of a secret code that they used to pass along orders and other information to the intelligence services and the forces. A movie was made, starring Nicolas Cage and Adam Beach all about these little-known heroes.

    • President in Exile Firefly

      That’s really an enigma.

      I’ll show myself out now.

      • Spurning Beer

        An enigma wrapped in a riddle, dredged in mystery, fried, and served on a bed of mystique, smothered in quandry.

        • Shanzgood

          Now I’m hungry. Maybe.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        You plan on Turing with that joke?

        • President in Exile Firefly

          AI don’t know. Should I?

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Dunno. It kinda bytes.

          • President in Exile Firefly

            It does a bit, yeah.

  • Iron Monkey

    Plenty of poorly paid retail and food service workers on the job today so don’t forget to shop for junk and eat like a pig.

    • BeachBum

      Tip your servers and bartenders! I will be here all week!

      • SDGeoff3

        They love it when I walk in the door. I make sure of that. It is always a pleasure to tip generously.

        • Spurning Beer

          Tipping well is a direct way of getting money to people who need it and will spend it, which in turn nurtures the economy.

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      Nurses, EMTs, Firefighters, etc. also, too — in case you set fire to yourself while grilling.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨
    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      No horseshoe, no horseshoe, you’re the horseshoe!

      • tehbaddr

        That mnemonic device works in almost any circumstance!

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Asshenge can kiss my turds.

      What a piece of shit.

  • Joe Beese
    • SisterArtemis

      Awwwwww

    • tehbaddr

      If only I had known this in my youth!

  • GreenGoldSharpie

    I’m really starting to think we need a way to strip Nazis of their citizenship at this point.

    Good lord, these “people”….

  • Joe Beese
  • Lyly Sirivong
  • II Gosala

    Is there a good android app for tracking hurricanes? NHC used to have one, but it seems to have disappeared and their web page is about as mobile unfriendly as the Society Against Any Motion AT ALL.

    • jesterpunk

      What about this one? I dont have an android phone but this gets good ratings.

      https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kellytechnology.NOAA_Now&hl=en

      • II Gosala

        Thanks for the link, but it’s so ad ridden and the interface is awkward. Oh well , thanks for the suggestion

    • Toledo Window Box

      Toss your android phone into the air. If it comes back down, you’re not in a hurricane.

      • jesterpunk

        Weather rock Libelz

  • Three Finger Salute
    • Toledo Window Box

      If Jews aren’t people, what are they?

      • Shanzgood

        Have them declared to be embryos.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Corporate embryos, to be specific.

          • Shanzgood

            Perfect!

      • therblig

        shimmering, glowing stars in the cinema firm-a-ment?

    • Joe Beese

      “For a discussion of Chancellor Hitler’s controversial policy statements, we’re joined by CNN contributors David Axelrod and Van Jones.”

      • SDGeoff3

        Good one.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      This reminds me of a Dutch satirical show introducing an actor who plays Hitler in a certain movie as: “Adolf Hitler, the well known German politician…”

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      Gotta love CNN. Some bow tied idiot and the anchor went after an Atlantic commentator because he suggested the US needs to adjust it’s relationship with NK; Something that China and SK are for.

    • TJ Barke

      FFS, CNN stop chasing false balance! Grow a fucking spine!

    • Bitter Scribe

      He said that the current generation of immigrants is engaged in ‘competitive breeding’

      That sounds great. Where do I sign up? Do I get a T-shirt?

      • pstokk

        I’d be happy even if I lost.

  • tehbaddr

    It’s a Beautiful Day!…..For a BBQ!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmIOBjqviKs

  • President in Exile Firefly

    No snark:

    1. Happy Labor Day, fellow snark miners!

    2.And if you want to get really depressed, take a look here: http://trianglefire.ilr.cornell.edu/legacy/legislativereform.html
    Feel free to bust that out next time your conservative cranky uncle says we don’t need unions or workplace safety regulations.

    3. Ken Layne (PBUH) is a brilliant writer. Dignity was an under-rated and awesome book.

    • Suttree

      The fuckers got off and went and started another sweatshop. $75 per death is what the owners paid while receiving $60k from insurance. The new is the exact same as the old.

  • SisterArtemis

    I’m off to labor on this smokey Labor Day. Treat everyone working today like the world rides on their backs, because it does, this and everyday. Wish I could stay and wonk, you guys are a hoot. Be back after ya’ll are good and drunk (or not) about nine hours from now.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWkVcaAGCi0

    • Wolf Tracker

      Have a good one!

    • Suttree

      Have fun storming the castle!

  • TJ Barke

    Fucking smoke! Go away! Come on wind, just shift for a day! It’s bad enough that it’s nearly 90 out, but with the smoke it’s fucking miserable.

    • Suttree

      I must have missed it in the threads, I guess you are near one of the wild fires?

      • TJ Barke

        Yes.

        • Suttree

          Shit. How big is the fire and how far away are you from the frontline?

          • TJ Barke

            It’s pretty big, but I’m like 30ish miles away. But the smoke has been blowing this way all weekend.

          • Suttree

            That sucks. Any luck for rain anytime soon? Or at least a hope for a fire line to be made?

          • TJ Barke

            Supposedly it’s going to rain on Wednesday.

          • Suttree

            I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you. Unfortunately it is just as effective as prayer. Stay safe brother!

          • Bitter Scribe

            I’m in a Chicago exurb and we’ve been getting smoke and haze from wildfires in Manitoba. Fucking Manitoba. I had to look at a map to find the place.

          • Suttree

            Dammit! I thought I new which one it was and I got Manitoba confused with Saskatchewan. Holy shit! Apparently I can at least spell Saskatchewan properly though.

          • Suttree

            Also too, I should have guessed that Manitoba was the closer province. Derp.

    • mancityRed6

      way, way back in ’97…when Mexico was on fire. the smoke made it up to Joplin.
      not the good kind of smoke, either.
      I feel ya’

    • The Librarian

      We had that too, thankfully it rained yesterday and last night.
      #theonlygoodthingaboutHarvey

  • Nounverb911
    • Shanzgood

      That looks like me with my first mojito a few weeks ago.

      • Suttree

        Mojitos are delicious!

        • Shanzgood

          It was refreshing on a 100F day. But it was so strong and baconz and I had so much yummy food that we skipped the planned movie and went home for a nap!

          • Suttree

            That’s what the kids are calling it these days? :)))

          • Shanzgood

            Well, at least I let HIM out of the house a few times when he was here!

          • Suttree

            hehehehe!

          • janecita

            We used to be a lot more vulgar back in the stone age (the 90s).

          • Shanzgood

            WOT? I was an old married lady in the 90s!

          • janecita

            Did you get married at 12? Or are you Dorian Gray?

          • Parakeetist

            Oh noes

          • Shanzgood

            Uh, yeah. I was a child bride. That’s it.

          • janecita

            That explains your youthful, good looks.

          • Shanzgood

            I think being a ginger who’s afraid of the sun explains more. Also luck of the draw, genetically.

      • janecita

        Wimp!

        • Shanzgood

          I suppose. I usually only drink wine, occasionally beer. Spirits…not so much. Am doing no more tequila, ever, unless I have trusted adult supervision.

          • Left Coast Tom

            Try some of the more expensive aged (“Anejo”) tequilas, they can be very smooth and make wonderful sipping.

          • Shanzgood

            I’m a big chunk of Irish and Scottish. You think I can SIP alcoholic beverages?

          • janecita

            One day, I was sort of drunk already and I made a batch of mojitos with basil instead of using mint. My brother actually drank them, they were terrible.

          • Shanzgood

            I tried a basil martini at a Thai restaurant and it was GOOD!

        • mancityRed6
    • Walter Wellstone

      She’s already hooked; just look at her face as she takes a second hit.

    • The Librarian

      Imma going to be a spoilsport and say Coke indoctrination not a good thing. Cute kid, tho.

      • janecita

        My daughter had coke for the first time this year, she is 13. My 10 year old son isn’t allowed to drink it. They don’t need the sugar and the caffeine.