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Volatile chemicals stored at that flooded Arkema plant in Crosby, Texas, either caught fire and exploded, or exploded and caught fire last night as the storage containers’ refrigeration units failed, according to the plant’s operators and law enforcement. The company said the Harris County Emergency Operations Center informed it that two explosions had taken place at the plant at around 2 a.m. local time. The chemicals, organic peroxides used in the manufacture of plastics and other products, are stored in refrigerated trailers in several locations on the plant grounds, and more explosions are likely as the chemicals lose refrigeration and begin to warm.

A company spokesperson was a bit less than elegant in telling any residents still inside the 1.5-mile evacuation zone they should stay inside, keep windows and doors closed, and not run their air conditioning:

“You shouldn’t be here, but if you haven’t left, shelter in place,” Arkema spokesman Jeff Carr said. “That’s our advice.”

Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzales seemed almost excessively concerned in making it absolutely clear that there were no explosions, just some popping sounds from the chemical reactions that unsophisticated rubes might think were explosions, but were definitely not explosions, nosiree:

Honestly, everything is under control. Situation normal. Had a slight refrigeration malfunction and a chemical reaction. But, uh, everything’s perfectly all right now. We’re fine. We’re all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?

Bob Royall of the Harris County Fire Marshal’s Office explained to reporters they shouldn’t get all het up over terminology, even if Arkema was saying “explosions”:

“I don’t want the public thinking these are massive explosions,” Royall told reporters. Attempting to explain why the plant operator called them explosions while local authorities did not, Royall said: “We’re on the same page. It’s a matter of terminology. I call it a chemical reaction and an overpressure of the container.”

Seriously, just relax. It was a chemical reaction and an overpressure, which is SO TOTALLY NOT an “explosion.” Royall just doesn’t want irresponsible journalists to blow this up into something it’s not.

A fire marshal’s spokesperson, Rachel Moreno, told the Houston Chronicle details about what’s there, how it’s stored, and what officials are planning to do about it:

The plant has nine box vans with 36,000 pounds of organic peroxide in each. The organic peroxide is stored in 15-pound containers […]

Three of the vans lost refrigeration by Wednesday morning. Six of them had not, Moreno said.

The explosions started about 1 a.m., causing flames and 40 feet of gray smoke that later turned black.

The company said it had agreed with local authorities that, because of the volatile chemicals involved, “the best course of action is to let the fire burn itself out.”

The sheriff’s office twitter account said one deputy was taken to the hospital after inhaling fumes, and another nine “drove themselves to hospital as precaution.” Later in the morning the department tweeted that eight of a total of 15 deputies at the hospital had been released, while 7 others were still being evaluated, and that Arkema had informed the department the fumes were not toxic. So that’s reassuring! Just don’t open your windows or run your AC if you’re downwind.

Would you believe that, in this age of skepticism and distrust, some people in the area weren’t altogether reassured? Says the Chronicle:

[At] least one family not far outside the 1.5-mile zone was left worried.

“But homes two miles away are safe?” questioned Alicia Garcia, who had recently returned to the family’s home about four miles away after evacuating Sunday because of flooding.

Officially, yes. Unofficially, we’d go visit friends in Austin, maybe. And it’s not like Arkema is going out of its way to be too transparent about what particular compounds within the exciting family of organic peroxides are inside those refrigerated vans or elsewhere on plant grounds. During a presser Wednesday, Arkema CEO Rich Rowe said that because of the flooding and the danger of the chemicals warming, “There is no way to prevent an explosion or fire,” and he turned out to be right; of more concern, Rowe “refused to release the company’s federally mandated risk management plan or its chemical inventory to reporters,” according to the Chronicle.

The “Rachel Maddow Show” reported Wednesday night that when Houston Chronicle reporter Matt Dempsey asked Rowe if he’d release the chemical inventory, Rowe didn’t see why he’d want to do that (since MSNBC embeddable videos don’t play nice with Wonkette’s fancy https secure site, here’s a screenshot of the transcript; it’s at about 10:19 in the video):

Maddow then went on to remind us that Texas state government changed the law on disclosing such chemical inventories — they used to be public records, but after the devastating 2013 explosion of a fertilizer plant in West, Texas, companies no longer have to disclose the records. In 2014, Greg Abbott, then campaigning for governor, explained it was no big, since if anyone wanted to know what chemicals were stored at a chemical plant, they could just drive right up and ask:

You can ask every facility whether or not they have chemicals or not. You can ask them if they do, and they can tell you, well, we do have chemicals or we don’t have chemicals, and if they do, they tell which ones they have.

Oh. And then the chemical companies can say NO, end of story. Take their word for it — it’s all perfectly safe. Why on earth would a Texas chemical plant not want to tell the complete truth?

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  • x111e7thst

    an explosion is a fast fire with nowhere to go

    • Msgr_MΩment

      #combustionlivesmatter

  • Treg Brown
    • DerrickWildcat

      Jeeze, he Tweeted out his thoughts and prayers. What more could he do?

      • Msgr_MΩment

        And those prayers don’t come cheap!

      • Shanzgood

        Nothing until the City calls to tell him.

        • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

          I really, really hope Jesus calls all his followers and tells them to stay away from his “church” from now on.

      • Bright Bart

        tweeted them out his vegan butthole more like it.

  • Joe Beese
  • Beanz&Berryz

    “a chemical reaction and an overpressure of the container”… so, really even more just a fart than a pop…

    Or, an M65 1000-pound general purpose (GP) bomb – it’s just a matter of terminology…

  • FlemmishSpy

    A toxic chemical explosion in Texas, AKA Thursday.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      … morning…

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “I wouldn’t call this an explosion, it’s just an out of control chemical reaction resulting in a rapid rise in temperature and pressure in a confined volume that is ultimately released rapidly and destructively. Not an explosion at all, in my book.”

    • PubOption

      This might only have been a deflagration. If your definition of explosion requires a detonation, it might not have been one.

      For the non-nerds, the shock wave from a deflagration travels more slowly than the speed of sound, with a detonation it travels faster than sound.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        True, but I don’t think many lay people would make that distinction… and I think even many professionals consider a confined deflagration of a low explosive like gunpowder to be an explosion, though they wouldn’t call it a detonation.

  • weejee

    Tejas does such a great job protecting their citizens – like in West, TX a few years back.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0377da02bdb077b7e85a222b13a78ff014802b47f02c92e4490fb9759899653b.gif

    • That there is *why* they (Greg Abbot) removed the requirement for disclosure. People knowing about what’s in plants like that just causes no end of problems.

  • TundraGrifter

    “The plant has nine box vans with 36,000 pounds of organic peroxide in each.”

    What could possibly go wrong with such a sophisticated, high-tech storage system? Sounds to me like they spent tens of dollars on it.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      On the bright side, think how blonde Houston has suddenly become.
      Downside: Fox News is devastated.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Box vans? Is that trailers? They couldn’t have hooked up trucks and driven the stuff to safety?

      • willi0000000

        and, apparently, couldn’t refuel the refrigeration units either.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      I’m glad the stuff was organic. I’d feel even better if it was artisonal.

      • TundraGrifter

        “House made.”

  • DerrickWildcat

    Guatemala and Angola environmental laws were too burdensome. So Arkema chose Texas to house their toxic exploding barrels.

    • schmannity

      Somalia drove jobs away with their burdensome regulations.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    “The chemicals had nothing to do with this. It was all the fault of that socialist oxygen in the air. We at Arkema have been trying to get rid of that volatile for years.”

    • willi0000000

      “we don’t need no stinking atmospheric oxygen!”
      – organic peroxides

  • Wolf Tracker

    OT: Russians at Don Jr. meeting testified at grand jury

    Grand jury hears from lobbyist in Trump Tower chat

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A grand jury used by Special Counsel Robert Mueller has heard secret testimony from a Russian-American lobbyist who attended a June 2016 meeting with President Donald Trump’s eldest son, The Associated Press has learned.

    A person familiar with the matter confirmed to the AP that Rinat Akhmetshin had appeared before Mueller’s grand jury in recent weeks. The person spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the secret proceedings.

    The revelation is the clearest indication yet that Mueller and his team of investigators view the meeting, which came weeks after Trump had secured the Republican presidential nomination, as a relevant inquiry point in their broader probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/source-lobbyist-trump-tower-meeting-spoke-grand-jury-071430996–politics.html

    Damn I wish those were public!

    • Latverian Diplomat

      They should at least release the notebook where he doodled “Donald Putin, Jr.” over and over again.

  • Scooby

    The energy released did not equal the mass times the speed of light squared so it’s no biggie.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Chemical reactions are typically only one millionth of m c squared, so, no, no harm.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        “The electromagnetic force, what a piker.”
        — The Strong Force

        • Msgr_MΩment

          “I feel so inadequate.”
          — The gravitational force

          • Beanz&Berryz

            We appreciate you from afar…

    • willi0000000

      actually, it did.

      [ just be glad so little mass was converted ]

  • goonemeritus

    “You say explosion I say conflagration, let’s call the whole thing off”.

  • Joe Beese

    Ayn Rand wasn’t going to tell you so, but I assure you that this kind of shit happened in Galt’s Gulch all the time.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Maybe that’s why no one can find it. It was blown into orbit by the invisible hand!

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      It was Galt’s Peak originally, after all.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Well if I dump my nuclear waste into the Galt Gulch aquifer, the invisible hand of the market will naturally come up with a cure for radiation. It’s science.

    • goonemeritus

      The massive release of toxic chemicals is a small price to pay for the freedom to massively release toxic chemicals.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “Imagine how much worse it could have been if Arkema had been weighted down with the burden of unnecessary regulation. The shrapnel would have been terrible! Fragments of reasonable precautions and sensible preventative measures flying everywhere! A fella could get hurt by that stuff.”

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    An explosion?!? No, it was just a bit of unplanned exothermic oxidation over a wide area. You liberals and your exaggerations!

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Anybody ever tell you you use your tongue prettier than a $20 whore?

      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        To an attorney, there’s no higher compliment.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    Charlie Pierce is all over this shit. Bidness is bidness in Texas, it seems:
    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a57290/texas-deregulation-harvey-chemical-plants/

    • eyelashviper

      And there has been nothing reported anywhere about that Bio Lab in Galveston. The very idea makes me terrified, and I am not close to the area. Some of the pathogens there are airborne.
      Building a level 4 bio lab on a barrier island, in a hurricane zone seems a bit foolish, but then, free market and all that stuff…

      • Building a level 4 bio lab on a barrier island, in a hurricane zone
        seems a bit foolish, but then, free market and all that stuff…

        I just read that.

        I tried to read it out loud to my wife and THE WORDS WOULD NOT COME OUT.

        I wonder if the end will be quick.

        • eyelashviper

          you might have to get close to a splody chem plant…

    • weejee

      After the West, TX explosion, Goobernor Greg Abbot, then Tejas AG, changed Texas laws so that companies would no longer be required to make public that they were storing dangerous or explosive materials on site. Total asshole!

      • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

        And turn the fucking fire marshal away. WTF Abbot?!?!?

  • Nounverb911

    The CEO of the company later added that he would be the first one into the plant to make sure everything is okay.

    /snark

  • proudgrampa

    Fer cryin’ out loud.

    We just can’t seem to say what a thing is.

    Instead of “horrific atomic explosion”, it’s “just a few neutrons produced by the splitting of an atom striking nearby nuclei and producing more fission.”

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      This is a device, not a bomb. And it does not explode. It initiates.

      • mardam422

        And then it explodes?

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Just a couple of moles of fissile material. Friendly moles.
      http://x.krtecek.sweb.cz/km.gif

      • proudgrampa

        The first animal I ever saw killed was a mole doing destruction in our back yard, when I was 5 or 6 years old. I had nightmares from that…

        They just seemed so cute.

      • puredog

        I will never forget that my high school chemistry final included the question, “If a mole can dig a mole of holes, how many moles of holes can a mole of moles dig?”

        • Msgr_MΩment

          Would a mole of moles dig a square mole of holes?

  • jesterpunk

    Rachel said last night they could have added something to the chemicals to keep them from blowing up but it would have meant that all of the chemicals would have been useless and the company would have had to dispose of them all. Good thing their profits come before anything else and they didnt have to neutralize the chemicals.

    • SnarkON

      They could have at least added something that would provide a stirring fireworks display.

      • jesterpunk

        IKR? If your going to have an explosion make it colorful and entertaining for the people before they die.

      • Latverian Diplomat
        • OrdinaryJoe

          Texas should pass those out so at least folks would know what was blowing up inside their neighborhood chemical plant.

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      Well, they’re useless now.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      As she was reporting that it occurred to me that maybe – maybe – having all your shit burn up in a fire would result in your being unable to sell it, also too, but I am not the head of a major international corporation that looked for the place with the fewest regulations on earth to store my explosive dangerous shit in chose to bring jobs to Texas. I’m sure they have reasons, because shut up, is why.

      • jesterpunk

        Freedumbs.

      • Serai 1

        I’m pretty sure Texas is not the place with the fewest regulations on earth, but the point is taken.

    • Stulexington

      They could have applied for relief money from having to do it but they would have had to reveal what chemicals in what amounts they had to destroy. Secrecy came before anything else.

  • Nounverb911

    Did anyone bother to ask if the plant has insurance?

    • Serai 1

      Makes me wonder if Hurricane Harvey will finally blow the lid off the whole insurance industry scam. I mean, you know it’s impossible for them to actually pay for all the damage that’s going to be claimed.

  • SomeBigRedDog

    Um, I’m pretty sure this is exactly how the zombie apocalypse starts. Fuck.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      So, you’re saying there’s a silver lining then?

    • P’jama Pahnts

      Just remember the two main rules: Double-tap and Cardio.

      • SomeBigRedDog

        Cardio. Yeah I’m fucked.

    • Vincent Ricola

      I just learned Nazi punching etiquette and now I have to learn how to fight zombies. Fucking hell I’m too old for this mess.

  • DerrickWildcat

    No need to be alarmed people. Sulfur Dioxide is completely safe so long as it doesn’t get on you or get on anything that you might want.

  • TJ Barke

    It only exploded a bit…

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    An “overpressure”? Um, overpressure is an effect. Caused by AN EXPLOSION.

    • weejee

      See linky right above

  • weejee

    Stored in trailers? Should be stored in reinforced concrete structures with foil-covered windows to help release blast pressure.

    Even for trained chemists, organic peroxides are spooky scary shit.

    • Jeffocaster in the West

      Hey, I rinse my mouth with Hydrogen Peroxide all the time…..just fizzles…..and that fresh feeling!!!!

      • Old town Urbandale

        So organic peroxides must be even tamer. Wonder if they were free-range as well?

        • Ghenghis McCann

          Gluten-free and dairy-free too.

          • Celtic_Gnome

            So, vegan?

      • Latverian Diplomat

        This is one case where it’s safe because you’re not concentrating.

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      And roofs that can blow off.

  • ariel_gee_398

    Now that the authorities have determined that this should be called a chemical reaction, not explosion, I assume Jim Comey is going to have no choice but to hold a press conference explaining that Arkema was extremely reckless but no reasonable prosecutor would charge them based on the available evidence.

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      BTW explosions are chemical reactions, uncontrolled chemical reactions, but still…

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “There was no kaboom. Well, no earth-shattering kaboom, anyway.”
    — Sheriff Marvin the Martian

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Good thing they lost their Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator.

      • P’jama Pahnts

        Houston was obstructing Austin’s view of New Orleans

  • TundraGrifter

    Clearly this “explosion” is the fault of the media for reporting it.

    • Nounverb911

      When do they blame Obama?

    • eyelashviper

      Hillary was seen in the vicinity…just ask Alex Jones.

  • Joe Beese

    Daily Show contributor Michelle Wolf was even harsher in her assessment of the first daughter. “I’m so sick of everyone thinking Ivanka is the voice of reason,” she said. “She could join ISIS and everyone would be like, ‘Thank God she’s there. She’s gonna help ISIS get maternity leave.’”

    While Ivanka Trump may have promised to fight for women’s issues, Wolf said, “She lied, because she sucks. Ivanka cares about women the way Donald Trump cares about women.” She then whispered, “He doesn’t.”

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/daily-show-has-had-it-with-ivanka-trump-she-doesnt-care-about-women

  • Jeffocaster in the West

    Sheriff Gonzales (a highly suspect name, check his immigration status!), a graduate Trump University, calls the reports “fake news” and the “alternate facts” bear out his depiction of the event.

  • Old town Urbandale

    Royall just doesn’t want irresponsible journalists to blow this up into something it’s not.

    ISWYDT

  • WotsAllThisThen

    “Of course it looks bad if the media is going to report every little explosion in Iraq or Texas.”

    -future EPA chief Donald Rumsfeld

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “There are exploded explosions, and unexploded explosions, but there are no exploded unexplosions.”

      • Msgr_MΩment

        “You explode with the chemicals you have, not the chemicals you wish you had.” — Ibid

    • Suttree

      There may be explosions to the east, west, south, and north somewhat.

  • mardam422

    This is fine.

  • PREVIOUSLY ON MISTY MALARKY YING YANG

    “Toxicity is a relative thing…” and “It’s noxious, not toxic by our definition.”
    Rich Rennard, Akema CEO

    We now have our Everyman Hero of Hurricane Harvey. Poor, pretty-in-the-face Akema exec, who’s company is about to mega-fart burning chemicals all over Texas. He just did a presser on CNN where FAKE NEWS TROLLS haughtily demanded answers to GOTCHA questions like “what level of toxicity can we expect when your plant goes boom?” and ” At what temperature does your burning plant go boom?”.

    Exclusive UNCUT footage of Rennard addressing the People of Texas:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvSkuxrNCMQ

    I like the way de described burning poison-spewing lakes of fire as ‘Product Degradement’.

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    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Well, he seems to have mastered corporate double-talk.

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      Watched that. Toxicity is relative. Breathe it yourself, Rennard.

    • Suttree

      I guess it should have been a more precise question asking about the LD50.

  • Wild Cat
  • Dutchman

    Because of course, what could possibly go wrong?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzDC3iKbTzY

    • Wild Cat

      Outtake from initial battle scene from “Aliens”?

  • Indiepalin

    “Snap, Crackle and KA-BOOM. I mean Pop.”

  • BigBoppa ~ Résistent

    It’s just a flesh wound.

    • Suttree

      One of those interior flesh wounds.

  • Jeffocaster in the West

    MAEA…..Make America Explode Again

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Mission Accomplished!

      • Serai 1

        Heck of a job, Twitty!

  • Grokenstein

    Americans, do your duty! Get out there and inhale those fumes! Breathe ’em in deep! Prove to the dang ol’ Lamestream Media that they’re perfectly harmless! Trust your betters in business and government! When have they ever lied to you?

    • Bright Bart

      ugh. can’t a day go by when I’m not reminded of the lackluster acting career of Brian fucking Dennehy?

      • Arolpin

        No, Brian Boitano, not Brian Fucking Dennehy!

        • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

          What *would* Brian Boitano do??

          • Arolpin

            I’m sure he’d kick an ass or two, that’s what Brian Boitano’d do!

        • Bright Bart

          I bet he’d kick an ass or two, thats what brian boitano’d do

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        I dunno, I hadn’t thought of Brian Dennehy in probably years, right up to this very moment. Maybe your social circle has different traditions than mine.

      • SkinlessGenderlessMan

        So, if you can’t go a day without hearing about Brian Dennehy…. ;-)

  • This is why I like to refer to “regulations” as “protections” whenever I am unfortunate enough to talk to someone who doesn’t get it.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Well, I for one welcome our new twelve-eyed overlords.

  • jesterpunk

    Just watch out when you go fishing around the chemical plant.

    https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6Mbnqqfpi552hMoU/giphy.gif

  • Bright Bart

    well glad there were no underwater explosions. Do you want Sharknado? cuz that’s how you get sharknado.

    • jesterpunk

      But what if I want Sharknado?

      • Bright Bart

        well, thats how you get it.

      • Suttree

        Can we keep it localized to the next CPAC? I mean after we evacuate all of the innocent male prostitutes.

        • jesterpunk

          But what about the RNC?

          • LesBontemps

            They are highly culpable male prostitutes.

          • Suttree

            Atomic Sharks for them.

    • Fire Ant Showers with a chance for Lightning-Charged Alligator strikes.

      • MynameisBlarney

        I bet the writers at the SyFy channel are working on a script that right fucking now.

      • OutOfOrbit

        DING DING DING me like that one

      • eyelashviper

        And snakes on a raft, or boat, or flotation device.

      • proudgrampa

        Next, I suppose it will be raining cats and dogs.

        https://youtu.be/WE9bVpZ-vGM

  • DerrickWildcat

    The fires burn bright. All day and night. Deep in the heart of Texas

    • therblig

      there’s a yellow glow in texas
      that everyone can see
      it comes as a result of
      organic chemistry

    • proudgrampa

      The fires burn bright. All day and night.
      *clap clap clap clap*
      Deep in the heart of Texas.

      Improves the cadence. Cheers!

    • Serai 1
    • OrdinaryJoe

      The Yellow Smoke Plume of Texas, right?

  • Creepoman

    So, no big deal then, when North Korea lobs a little over-pressurization device into the greater Seoul metro area. Good to know.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      “Uh, that thing that just popped over Tokyo made one hell of a mushroom cloud.”

      • Creepoman

        Ahem, mushroom “release.”

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    Breitbart has a big scoop! Cernovich does journamalism! Whoa if true!

    https://twitter.com/Green_Footballs/status/903116182206558208

    • P’jama Pahnts

      Locking Trump in the white house in NOT a solution. To anything.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        He isn’t locked in there with them. They’re locked in there with him.

        • P’jama Pahnts

          So…hopefully they’re guilty of the heinous shit too then because woah

        • HogeyeGrex

          The tweets are coming from inside the White House!

      • Grokenstein

        Maybe they’re walling him up in the basement.

        • Querolous

          No cask of Amontillado. He doesn’t drink.

        • SkinlessGenderlessMan

          “Montresor”? Yeah, had an acquaintancence who used to call me that. Sort of an inside joke….

      • jodyleek

        If it stops him from doing his Trumpique Roadshows for a while, then I’m all for it.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Heeeeey!
      It’s the Magic Spoo guy!

    • ManchuCandidate

      Trump’s being held captive by the reverse vampires, the UFO people, Ronald McDonald, rogue military personnel, libtards, the Clintons, the Kiwanis club and the Bilderbergs while being forced to inhale chemtrails and eat Popeye’s chicken stuffed with birth control slut pills, radioactive tracers, saltpeter and LSD.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Don’t make fun of my weekends, you.

      • Wild Cat

        O puleeze . . . the Kiwanis Club aspect is absurd! It’s the Knights of Malta!

        • LesBontemps

          Rotary Club libel!

      • SDGeoff3

        Not again!

    • mardam422

      Maybe Trump has the sniffles and Melonhead won’t let him go outside.

    • Nounverb911

      Must be true, trump hasn’t tweeted in 24 hours…

    • Lance Thrustwell

      A coup? Well, maybe a little douche coup. We don’t know what he got.

    • Vincent Ricola

      Tomorrow we’ll hear about the secret service arresting 6 lone Brietbart commenters who came to rescue Donald, with AK-47s, from his “globalist” family.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      “Where is he?”
      “He’s in Missouri.”
      “He’s supposed to be under house arrest, you nitwit!”
      “They can’t leave if they’re under house arrest?”

    • Serai 1

      Christ, you mean the White House staff have FINALLY come to their senses??

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      If CHARLES JOHNSON is calling you out, is it possible that you’re doing it wrong?

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        This is Little Green Footballs Charles Johnson, not Rage Furby Chuck.

      • bupkus231

        I’m not sure if you know – but there’s two Charles Johnsons out there – this guy and the nutjob Charles C. Johnson – who probably is blogging in support of Cernovich’s lies right now….

        • Good_Gawd_Yall

          OH! Thank you – no, I did NOT know there were two! I appreciate the correction.
          <— heading to corner to stand in shame with dunce cap on head for awhile

  • schmannity

    they were kinder, gentler explosions.

  • It’s a free market solution. You’re free to ask about the chemicals, they’re free to tell you to go f*** yourself.

  • cmd resistor

    “I don’t see the need” to release that information. Just like Trump telling us we don’t really need to see his taxes because he says so. Ok, what the heck, we trust you guys.

    • proudgrampa

      Whenever they say that, you know they have something to hide…

      • SDGeoff3

        Exactly.

  • DerrickWildcat

    Texas: It’s like a whole other world. A flooded exploding toxic barrels world.

  • Jeffocaster in the West

    My cofefe this AM is pretty strong, I may have to report it to the EPA…..some, um, explosions may result…..

    • OutOfOrbit

      so you’re back to normal

  • IdiokraticCulturalMarxist

    “To put it in layman’s terms, it’s like when a teenager wants to show off to his friends and lights his farts, only bigger.”

    • mardam422

      You haven’t seen me light my farts.

  • cmd resistor

    Somewhat OT, but here’s Trump’s grueling schedule for today, according to his FB page:

    schedule for Thursday, August 31st:
    Daily intelligence briefing
    Meeting with National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster
    Meeting with Director of the OMB Mick Mulvaney

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I don’t see FEMA update, so I guess he’s figured he’s done with that part?

      • jesterpunk

        He already sent thoughts and prayers, damn liberals are never happy and this is just part of the war on Christmas.

      • Serai 1

        I can just see Twitler a month from now, screaming at his aides to stop bothering him with that Texas thing. DIDN’T YOU IDIOTS TAKE CARE OF THAT I GOT A RALLY TO GO TO

      • SDGeoff3

        He played with Texas and then he broke it, so yes.

    • ManchuCandidate

      Mid Morning Nap
      Lunch
      Mid day poop
      Mid afternoon Nap
      Watching Dr Phil
      Dinner

      “Whew… I’m such a hard worker. Better than that lazy covfefe Obama.”

      • cmd resistor

        Mid day poop and tweet some stuff at the same time.

        • Dudleydidwrong

          That’s his idea of multitasking. After leaving the throne room the staff stands by and praises his abilities and he gets two scoops of vanilla.

          • Good_Gawd_Yall

            Does anyone else remember that scene from “The Last Emperor” where the kid who would become the emperor pooped and the old men eagerly smelled it? I picture Donnie Two Scoops making staffers look at the size and color of his dumps and tell him how big and manly and sweet-smelling they are.

  • MynameisBlarney
  • BigBoppa ~ Résistent

    That “pop” managed to destroy an apartment building and school more than a block away.
    Screenshot from a video just posted on Crooks and Liars.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e0022ac04568a5a45d74b9a9b131e217b1fe994143c563e62d2d077791e95637.png

  • Anna Rompage

    know what else is just a chemical reaction and an overpressure, which is SO TOTALLY NOT an “explosion.”

    Bombs, hand granades, and even bullets too….

  • Wolf Tracker

    Katrina commander is slamming Fed response in Texas as amateur hour.

    • ManchuCandidate

      Brownie?

      • Wolf Tracker

        Nope- but I don’t know yet who he is. Just reported on CNN.

        • bupkus231

          Yeah – that Russel Honore,

          Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russel_L._Honor%C3%A9#Hurricane_Katrina_and_Hurricane_Rita

          On August 31, 2005, Honoré was designated commander of Joint Task Force Katrina responsible for coordinating military relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina-affected areas across the Gulf Coast. Honoré’s arrival in New Orleans came after what was widely believed to be a poor performance by the state and local agencies and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and its director Michael D. Brown. He gained media celebrity and accolades for his apparent turning around of the situation in the city as well as his gruff management style which contrasted with what many felt were the empty platitudes of civilian officials. In one widely played clip, Honoré was seen on the streets of the city, barking orders to subordinates and, in one case, berating a soldier who displayed a weapon, telling him “We’re on a rescue mission damn it!” New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin was quoted on a radio interview September 1, 2005, saying: “Now, I will tell you this—and I give the president some credit on this—he sent one John Wayne dude down here that can get some stuff done, and his name is Gen. Honoré. And he came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving. And he’s getting some stuff done.”[5] Stars and Stripes, the unofficial newspaper of the United States Armed Forces, reported that Honoré had previous experience dealing with flooding at many South Korean bases during monsoon season and supervised the installation of flood control measures.
          On September 20, 2005, at a press conference with Nagin on Hurricane Rita, Honoré made headlines nationwide when he told a reporter not to get “stuck on stupid” in reference to a question about the government response to Hurricane Katrina.[6]

          • Wolf Tracker

            Thanks- I reposted above with the article.

    • mardam422

      But…but Trump told us it was the best ever.

  • Suttree

    You know what else is a chemical reaction and over pressurization of a container? A fucking grenade.

  • puredog

    I raised an eyebrow when I read this in the Houston Post:
    “Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said 15 deputies were hospitalized
    after being affected by an irritant in the smoke, which he characterized
    as if someone were to be exposed to smoke from a campfire.
    Two still
    remain at the hospital.”

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I’ve gone to lots of bonfires. Never had to go to the hospital afterwards.

      • Jenny

        Our high school homecoming bonfires were always held at the local plastics factory.

        It just occured to me that this maybe is a little weird. Or the only place nearby with the proper supplies to put out oil soaked pallets.

        Anyways, TEXAS!

    • MynameisBlarney

      Yeah, because who DOESN’T burn chemicals in their campfires?

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        A little boric acid and you got some nice green flames!

      • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

        Well I don’t know who all *you* go camping with, but circles I run in, you wanna watch out for the guys in red suspenders ;-)

        • SkinlessGenderlessMan

          “…you wanna watch out for the guys in red suspenders ;-)”

          Isn’t he the UNIX admin?

      • Mildred Broxon

        They make meth instead of s’mores, is all. Local color.

      • Jenny

        I spent some summers with great grandparents where you had to burn or bury trash. Ya learn real quick plastic and foam weren’t things ya burn. You throw it in your neighbors creek!

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      I know that every time I enjoy a nice campfire with the family, I drive myself to the hospital and spend the night and much of the next day there. I mean, who doesn’t, right? It’s such a pleasant atmosphere, the emergency room of a hospital in the center of a massive natural disaster. Restful, you know.

    • NastyBossetti

      Oh god. I have been exposed to campfire many times and have NEVER hospitalized myself afterwards. Is that the proper protocol?! Am I going to die?!

    • Dudleydidwrong

      Gonzalez added, “We’re buying graham crackers, marshmallows, and Hershey’s chocolate bars and you’re all invited over there for s’mores. Hope you know the words to “Kumbaya.”

  • Jenny

    Those won’t fireworks. Just some roman candles. We know those aren’t reaaaal fireworks.

  • Serai 1

    Ed Harris said it right.

    https://youtu.be/lM0eS204jNU?t=55m37s

  • Mavenmaven

    The company tried to assure the public that as a result of exposure to these chemicals, they might develop mutant super powers.

  • Ghenghis McCann

    He’s doing better than the aircraft accident report that said the engine ‘suffered a catastrophic disassembly’. Avoided using ‘catastrophic’.

  • h4rr4r

    Well was the deflagration faster or slower than the speed of sound?

    This is why zoning is a thing in states other than Texas.

    • SDGeoff3

      Very good.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      It depends. Was it an African deflagration, or a European deflagration?

      • Werewolf

        I don’t know-AAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHH!

  • unionthuggery

    I mean people are made of organic chemicals, we should be fine right? Right?

    • laughingnome

      People have exploded.

      • unionthuggery

        A girl once told me I needed to be more spontaneous, so I combusted.

    • Anna Rompage

      As they say, “Don’t panic, it’s organic”…

    • Dudleydidwrong

      If you’ve seen one organic, you’ve seen ’em all. Don’t worry, just be happy.

      “Squirrel!”

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    we do not see the need at this time to do that</blockquote

    https://media.giphy.com/media/NAnrX13MH49cA/giphy.gif

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I sense the documents are going into the shredder as we speak. Can’t let a little thing like liability get in the way, can we?

  • Joe Beese

    On Wednesday, while speaking at a town hall in Oakland, California, Senator Kamala Harris announced she would co-sponsor Bernie Sanders’s single-payer health-care bill. “It’s just the right thing to do,” she said of the decision, according to ThinkProgress. “But it’s also about being smart.” …

    As Politico notes, this puts Harris in opposition to California’s senior senator, Dianne Feinstein, who’s said she favors a public health-care option instead. “I’m not there [on single-payer],” she said at a recent town hall, characterizing the plan as a “total takeover” of health care by the federal government.

    https://www.thecut.com/2017/08/kamala-harris-co-sponsor-single-payer-health-care-bill.html

    • jesterpunk

      Now that Kamala Harris supports Bernie’s plan will the Bernie bros still attacking her?

      • WotsAllThisThen

        Gotta attack someone, right?

      • SkinlessGenderlessMan

        For lack of a better target, I’m pretty sure they would relentlessly attack their own image in a mirror…

    • capnkrunch

      Hurray Kamala Harris! Boo Dianne Feinstein!

      The first I ever took notice of Feinstein was the atrocious Burr-Feinstein bill and I haven’t liked her since. Kamala Harris 2020, though.

  • SDGeoff3

    I have quite a bit to add about these explosions that didn’t happen, but comments are not allowed.

  • Anna Rompage

    What is it about Texas and their long history of chemical plant explosions?

    I mean it’s almost like they don’t regulate companies that store vast quantities of highly toxic and sometimes explosive materials…

    • laughingnome

      Texas: The Chemical Republic

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      Well, we haven’t had a Texas City level explosion in 70 years.

      • And that’s well within statistical variation, so it’s all fine.

    • Fartknocker

      Answer: American Petroleum Institute, American Chemistry Council and the Koch Brothers. The legislature is not beholden to the Texas fire service who is still performing Search and Rescue operations for Harvey. The Legislature believes industry knows its hazards and how to regulate these materials. What is being witnessed is the reason that departments like Austin have engineers on staff who examine and regulate these systems because they understand the difference between a pop vs. boom vs. ka-fucking boom.

  • It’s not an “explosion”. It’s “violent decomposition,” triggered by the material reaching the “self accelerating decomposition temperature.”

    How can we be taken seriously if we don’t even know the technical terms, right? We just need to *trust* them and not be such nervous Nellies.

    It be like advocating for gun control but not knowing the difference between “clip” and “magazine”. No credibility, right?

  • MrTusks

    “Situation normal. Had a slight refrigeration malfunction and a chemical reaction. But, uh, everything’s perfectly all right now. We’re fine. We’re all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?”

    Boring disaster anyway.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Nothing compared to all the flooding. Really.

    • Rags
    • Beanz&Berryz

      Movie lines can make the best comments…

    • Opiwan

      Who is this? What’s your cell phone number?

      :D

  • Randy Riddle

    Texas is so business friendly that it might be the last market available for toys covered in lead based paint and DDT.

    • OrG

      FREEDOM!

    • therblig

      no childhood is complete without lawn darts!!!

    • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

      When I was a kid at camp in the late 60’s and we were out on a canoe trip in the Dismal Swamp (such a name!) they poured, I kid you not, DDT on the damp firewood to get it to burn better.

  • Wolf Tracker

    Katrina commander: Federal response to Harvey is ‘amateur hour’

    Former Joint Task Force Katrina Commander Russel Honore said Wednesday the military’s rescue efforts in states affected by Hurricane Harvey resembles “amateur hour” because the federal government lacks a strategy for how to respond to large-scale natural disasters.

    “The American people have put too much confidence in us,” Honore told CNN host Erin Burnett. “We have been too successful overseas to come out in amateur hour and incrementally deploy the force.”

    The retired Army lieutenant general said the federal government should have “come in big” and arrived at the “edge of the storm” so that rescue efforts could begin immediately after it passes.

    “We don’t have 100 helicopters here as of last night,” said Honore, who handled the response in New Orleans to Hurricane Katrina 12 years ago.

    Despite an extensive study by the Army Corps of Engineers on how to handle these types of disasters, Honore said the government has left it to the states to create and carry out their own responses.

    “The problem is we have 50 different solutions,” Honore added. “The federal government took their hand off it and went off to fight terrorism — and each time we have a Sandy or Harvey, the solution is different … It’s cooked up locally by the state.”

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/katrina-commander-federal-response-to-harvey-is-amateur-hour/article/2633033

    • jesterpunk

      But Trump sent thoughts and prayers and had a rally, what more do you want him to do?

      • Wolf Tracker

        How about stay the fuck away since every thing he touches turns to shit!

        • Permit-holder Ron

          But there were TV cameras! You can hardly expect him to avoid THOSE!

    • Invidosa

      Well big government is INHERENTLY EVIL!! doesn’t Mr. Army dude know that??clearly he never wants to make America great again™

    • Permit-holder Ron

      ‘We have been too successful overseas…’
      Thanks, I needed the laugh. <sobs>

  • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

    Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzales seemed almost excessively concerned in making it absolutely clear that there were no explosions, just some popping sounds from the chemical reactions that unsophisticated rubes might think were explosions, but were definitely not explosions, nosiree

    WATCH: Huge Explosion At Houston-Area Chemical Plant

    Tell that to the people who live in the apartment buildings and homes that were destroyed.

    https://youtu.be/VvQtfNMZIvY

    • Fartknocker

      I’m sure the officers who were securing the scene that were downwind of the fire/chemical plume and were injured appreciate the Sheriff’s thoughtful technical and toxicological assessment.

      • OutOfOrbit

        that sheriff’s personal finances should be looked at, like living better that his salary would justify?

    • Anna Rompage

      That appears to be from another Texas chemical plant explosion, that happened back in 2013.

      No worries though, there seems to be some many of them, on such frequent occasion, that it’ easy to get them confused..

      • ez

        Oh you see one Chem Plant explode and burn, you’ve seen them all. This one is fun in that no one died.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVO9-Iv8RuY

        • ez

          I worked in a Chem MFG Plant and the errors and lack of commonly used Industry safety steps, i.e a Nitrogen Blanket on a mixing tank mneant this bad boy was just waiting to happen.

  • OrG

    Free something something hand something market something…

    • Permit-holder Ron

      The free hand of the marketplace was apparently holding a pack of matches.

  • Jenny

    I don’t know why you libtards are so upset.

    Texas is gonna do what Texas is gonna do.

    Which is to put high explosive shit right next door to your momma. Then watch it explode.

    Why did your mom even move there if she didn’t want to watch shit explode? It is Texas and THAT is what we do since forever. We got cannons on our flags! COME ON!

    //makes guns with my fingers
    PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW! WHOOOOO!

  • Grokenstein
  • Wolf Tracker

    Lydia DePillis ✔ @lydiadepillis

    Now the thing’s exploded, and people don’t know what’s seeping into their air and their homes. http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/BREAKING-Reports-of-explosion-at-flooded-Crosby-12163386.phphttps://twitter.com/lydiadepillis/status/903022342913261572
    5:43 AM – Aug 31, 2017

    Photo published for BREAKING: Explosions reported at flooded Crosby chemical plant
    BREAKING: Explosions reported at flooded Crosby chemical plant
    The Harris County Emergency Operations Center is reporting two explosions and black smoke coming from the Arkema Inc. plant in

    http://crooksandliars.com/2017/08/watch-huge-explosion-houston-area-chemical

    • Anna Rompage

      The Crooks & Liars video appears to be from another Texas chemical plant explosion, that happened back in 2013.

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    Just some popping sounds as the containers ballooned and burst, the result of some minor rapid expansion of gases…

    • Invidosa

      So CLEARLY not explosions right? Right!

  • John Iwaniszek

    I just watched a video that showed nearby residential housing destroyed, damaged, and in flames from the explosion. So, Sheriff lies. I wonder what the intrepid Sheriff’s donor list looks like?

    • Wolf Tracker

      School, apartment buildings and houses all with severe damage and people missing.

      Looks like a daisy cutter was dropped.

    • Toomush_Inferesistance

      Apparently, another day, another time…still Texas…

    • Rags

      upstream it indicates this footage is from another disaster in 2013

      • John Iwaniszek

        the tyler texas one?

  • I like the approach to dealing with gubmint regulations that some from the toy industry took, back in the day: they let off steam by having dangerous toy design competitions. At the end of the clip is a prequel to battlebots:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJw2Xfow6xk

    • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

      The end of that clip is roughly equivalent to what’s went down in TX, apparently.

  • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

    So these chemicals are stored in reefers, and there is a giant storm coming, maybe they could have driven them to someplace safe? Though I guess transporting them is it’s own risk.

    How do you spell Texas? SNAFU.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Would have been a lot cheaper to move them than the massive lawsuits they are about to get hit with.

      • Permit-holder Ron

        Assuming said suits don’t get thrown out, because Texas.

    • Pilotshark

      thinking now it is more like FUBAR.
      the big thing about Texas is they didn`t even stop or slow down while passing threw TARFU city.

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      Or they could have deactivated them before the storm hit. They would have lost the product and time it took to make it; but they would still have a plant and local people wouldn’t be exposed to the toxic smoke and toxic water.

      • Rags

        Probably not an option. Deactivation is an extremely exothermic process (that’s why they are explosive) and would require long lead times and specialized equipment.

    • Serai 1

      its own risk.

      • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

        I know, I know, I eventually caught it and fixed it.

    • Oblios_Cap

      You can’t spell taxes without Texas.

  • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

    I know Texas hates regulations, but I can fix this problem, and what happened in West, Texas a few years ago. Make it a rule that one member of the executive team, CEO, CFO, COO, etc. has to live on site at all times. Watch how fast safety and disaster planning improve.

    • Walter Wellstone

      The reasoning around here goes something like this:

      We know our lives are at risk but if the government regulates the industry we’ll lose our jobs and we’re going to have to move somewhere else and find jobs doing something else. That won’t work. So, we take the risk and pray that nothing’s gonna happen.

      It’s a pretty conformist view of the world. What makes it tolerable is the added magical thinking and the stoic duty that calls for Texans to be tough, which is also a pretty conformist view of the world.

      • Rags

        It’s the national race to the bottom as states bankrupt themselves and strip regulations to try and attract ‘big’ employers – often to no avail, and rarely gaining a net benefit to the state; Foxconn/Wisconnsin being the prime recent example.

      • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

        Stereotypes exist for a reason.

    • cmd resistor

      Even next door could work.

    • SweetDeeKat

      I do recall fracking was ended in Irving TX because one of the oil execs had a mansion there. Yes, we were having earthquakes there, although mild ones.

  • Anna Rompage

    Just a heads up my fellow wonketteers. In an effort not to spread fake news, I’ve seen a few posts below showing an apartment building that was mostly blown up attributed to this current event in Texas.

    The video and pics are actually from a 2013 Chem plant explosion in West Texas…

    • Wolf Tracker

      Thank you. I thought that might be the case and was looking for verification.

      • Anna Rompage

        If something is posted on YouTube, there is often a date when it was originally posted.

        It doesn’t mean someone couldn’t take the video from the past and post it now, but fortunately this video has a time stamp of 2013 on it…

        • Wolf Tracker

          Someone reposted it to crooks and liars with no time stamp but I wasn’t seeing anything on CNN so it didn’t jive.

    • Serai 1

      Was it attributed to Harvey? I didn’t get the impression anyone was saying it happened now.

      • Wolf Tracker

        Crooks and liars has it posted on todays date but video looks to be from 2013.

        http://crooksandliars.com/2017/08/watch-huge-explosion-houston-area-chemical

      • Anna Rompage

        Crooks & Liars has linked 2013 video footage to the current Houston event…

        It’s actually one of the reason why I’m not fond of that site, as they do have a tendency to over exaggerate stories & put out some pretty shady info…

        • Serai 1

          Among other things. I quit going there when they started with the hysterical Hillary hate. Can’t handle that bullshit, thank you.

        • HooverVilles

          Thanks for that info. I have not visited that site much and thought I would check it out. I will take your info and that of Serai 1 into consideration.
          Go Wonkette!!!!
          >^o.o^<

    • AJ Milne

      (Unscheduled exothermic rant)

      Why do people _do_that? Not so much those passing it along (failing to check is a lesser infraction, in my humble opinion) as whoever started it? Figure it’s unlikely it got going without someone, somewhere just flat out misrepresenting the photos, though I guess _possible_ someone failed to read the captions closely? Like _really_ failed?

      … the question being kinda rhetorical. As I think I kinda know. Same thing creates fish stories: people just love a dramatic tale, and exaggeration becomes too tempting. But damn, it’s annoying. There’s so much to deal with already in reality, and you gotta add filtering out all this noise on top.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    “refused to release the company’s federally mandated risk management plan or its chemical inventory to reporters,”
    Pretty sure this means that they don’t HAVE the required plans ’cause, Texas.

  • Zombishroom

    It’s as if TX wants to make its citizens less safe on purpose. Maybe only poor people or minorities live where the dangerous chemicals are housed. That’s probably it.

    • Permit-holder Ron

      Would YOU but a 2.5 million dollar mansion next to a chemical plant?

  • SayItWithWookies

    That popping you here is not an explosion – just an over pressurization and subsequent degradation of Arkem’s credibility.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    I think we need a constitutional amendment that from here on in, until they start electing sane, reasonable people who actually care whether they live or die, the state name needs to be changed to Texasshole.

  • Jeffery Campbell

    “I call it a chemical reaction and an overpressure of the container.: Potato, potah…crap, we’re fucked.

  • Iron Monkey
  • Oblios_Cap

    Boo, Boom. Out go the lights.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    “Former Joint Task Force Katrina Commander Russel Honore said Wednesday the military’s rescue efforts in states affected by Hurricane Harvey resembles “amateur hour” because the federal government lacks a strategy for how to respond to large-scale natural disasters.”

    Or anything else going on in the world. Weak. Sad. FUBAR

    • cmd resistor

      Wonder what stupid nickname Trump will have for him in his next tweets. General Dishonore?

  • VirginiaWackelpudding

    Our sun is a chemical reaction. No big deal, right? RIGHT??

    • Rags

      Nukular reactions are generally not considered chemical reactions (which are restricted to changes in bonding and electrical charge of atoms.)/pedant

      • VirginiaWackelpudding

        Fuk it! We’re all light.

        • Grumpy Twat

          I’m all light if you’re all light.

    • BoatOfVelociraptors

      Life is a chemical reaction.

  • therblig

    speaking of toxic waste, our urban street tree pit (currently tree free) tomato plants have borne fruit. still green, but by next week, perhaps the skunks I’ve been smelling in the morning will have something to nom nom nom on. answering the age old question –
    what’s black and white and red all over?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fe007223dba1e7218b7b134e99df8fae6762636c52637d5884cf88fdce2d150c.jpg

  • natoslug

    So, when heat is applied to a stick of dynamite, and the contents of said stick start a chemical reaction and build up pressure, that wouldn’t necessarily be an explosion, just a little overpressure? Does this excuselogic work with game wardens if you get caught fishing with dynamite? Er, asking for a friend . . .

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      It’s a “pop.”

  • Poly_Ester

    As a retired chemist, my advice to the plant employees is “DON’T GO NEAR THOSE TRAILERS NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOUR SUPERVISOR YELLS AT YOU.”

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      Everybody on site knew it was time to bail out as soon as the trailer refrigeration failed – supervisors were out the door, and took the staff with them.

  • Laffing Crow

    Know why they keep the chemicals in refrigerated trailers? Because they can be easily relocated in case of emergency. I guarantee you, this is outlined in their risk management plan.

    • Aileen

      That’s the great part of being a chemical plant located in Texas though! You don’t need a risk management plan. I mean, if you WANT to draw something up, that’s cool, but no one from the government is going to force you to do it, that’s communist.

      • Laffing Crow

        Well, not the state, that’s for sure. But the Fed’s require that you have one. And they’ll come around every ten years or so to make sure you do, and follow up with toothless fines and sanctions if you’ve dropped the ball. Until something like this happens.

        Arkema’s about to get a new religion. The gospel of US Safety Regs. It’ll be decades before they’re ignored again.

        • Laffing Crow

          To be clear, I’ve dealt extensively with MSHA regs. This plant would be under OSHA regs. but there isn’t any real difference between the two when it comes to requiring risk management plans be in place and then USED when the poo smacks fan blade.

    • BoatOfVelociraptors

      They were moved to the trailers after the flood wiped out the backup generators.

      • Laffing Crow

        You are absolutely right. So, I’m eating crow (ha ha, Cannibalism!) about them not using their risk management plan, when they obviously did.

        I must ingest another large chunk of my cellulite ridden, crow ass, for foolishly thinking that this was a normal flood event, during which those trailers could be moved. That wasn’t a safe option here. Moving trailers from a rural flooded location through populous flooded locations, down flooded, traffic-jammed roadways is obviously stupid as shit, in this case. All things considered, they did the right thing.

        Seems like we need to reassess our safety game though. The contingencies we have in place now don’t address our new norm. Backyard arks are gonna be soooo trendy in 2018.

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          In Hollywood, they’d have Bruce Willis as a rough-and-ready helicopter pilot lifting those trailers and dropping them off in the water/desert/arctic. The last one would blow up in mid-air.

  • OneYieldRegular

    The chemicals, organic peroxides used in the manufacture of plastics and other products, are stored in refrigerated trailers

    It’s so reassuring to know that a plant processing hazardous chemicals in a residential area basically has environmental protections that are no better than your average homegrown meth lab.

    • natoslug

      Walter White libelz! Seriously, this is Texas — your average homegrown meth lab likely has higher standards.

  • ez

    “Royall just doesn’t want irresponsible journalists to blow this up into something it’s not”

    Hmmmmmm, fixed it for you.

    “Royall just doesn’t want irresponsible journalists to overpressure this Tub of News into something it’s not”

  • arensb

    It’s just a little Rapid Unscheduled Oxidation. Why is everyone acting so worried?

  • arensb

    Derp in the Heart of Texas.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Well, this will all work out fine. The chemicals will disperse in the floodwater, which is already loaded with who knows what nasty shit (including literal shit). So it will be impossible to lay blame for any cancer or other maladies caused by those chemicals, and that’s what it’s all about, because haven’t those poor company executives suffered enough, what with having to answer nasty questions from nosy reporters?

    • yyyaz

      The Original Texass Redneck Response™: “The SO-lution to PO-llution is DI-lution.”

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Also the actual solution to many forms of pollution…

  • BoatOfVelociraptors

    The passive aggressive voice.

    The suspect was injured after a gunshot occurred. Police witnessed the shooting firsthand.

  • chiefkurtz

    Some guy in my high school was bragging about blowing his load on his girlfriend. We had to correct him by saying he merely discharged his ejaculate.

  • Johnnymoreno

    “What are you kids doing in there!”

    “….Nothiiiingggg.”

  • Zyxomma

    Nothing to see here. Move along, move along.

  • New and Improved Say Wha

    Flint, Michigan donates thousand of gallons of city water to extinguish Texas chemical blaze. Pictures at 11:00.

  • Nockular cavity

    It’s as if they were hoisted by their own chemical reaction leading to a slight overpressure.

    • Hemp Dogbane

      Careful! Remember what happened to Jack Stuef.

  • The Librarian

    Stay upwind everyone, I’ll be exploding any minute over this newest nightmare, but don’t worry if you’re downwind. I don’t have any communicable diseases…..that I know of.

  • Permit-holder Ron

    ‘The chemicals are non-toxic. That’s why we’re holding seven men in hospital. Because they didn’t inhale anything toxic. Nope.’

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      It wasn’t the smoke that was toxic, but the associated covfefe that lingered in the area, afterward.

  • President in Exile Firefly

    It wasn’t an explosion, just energetic disassembly.

    • Raan

      The term that has come up in the Kerbal Space Program community is RUD – rapid unplanned disassembly.

      • Calli Arcale

        It predates the Kerbals a lot. ;-) I’m not sure if RUD originated in rocketry or aviation, but it gets used a lot in both.

        • Raan

          I actually didn’t know that, but it makes sense.

        • Laffing Crow

          IDK, but me and pre-Kerbals got a lot in common.

  • vivian

    ARKEMA: Those ain’t chemicals, and that ain’t no fire nor smoke neither – they’s just alt-molecules. (*said in a French accent)

    • Villago Delenda Est

      An Inspector Clouseau accent.

  • Calli Arcale

    I would suspect it indeed was not an explosion in the traditional sense. Decomposing peroxides can produce a lot of gas, and that could rupture a container. Would make a loud bang, but would not technically be an explosion. It’s not something you want to have happen, especially not if you’re nearby, and there’s no reason to assume there won’t be actual explosions or fires down the road.

    Now, all that malarky about it being perfectly safe even though they won’t tell us what’s in there . . . now that’s suspicious as hell.

  • I’m in Texas? BOOM

    Wait. I’m still in Texas? BOOM
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/816f88bd4523d932988a2e3be9b76fe17e98cbea739888b6488e878c0fd53182.png

    Don’t blame the chemical plant they have no legs

  • Laffing Crow

    Every time a you fire a gun, you’re creating a small explosion, which in turn, creates a popping sound. No one has ever used the sound produced from firing a firearm to argue that the projectile emitted wasn’t deadly. Sound is a by-product, not a determining factor.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Greg Abbott is one of the biggest dipshits in Texas – which is saying a lot.
    *puts on lab coat*
    That said, the fact is that while organic peroxides are unstable and flammable, they are not explosive. They aren’t high-energy compounds like ammonium nitrate or dynamite, and can’t detonate the way explosives do. They decompose, releasing heat, which makes the decomposition go faster, and they release gases as they go, pressurizing whatever container they’re in. At some point they get hot enough to burst the container, boil, and ignite. Putting diesel fuel in a tea kettle and setting it on the stove would be a pretty close analogy: at some point it’s going to go FOOF, but it won’t go off like a bomb.

    So nothing like the West, TX detonation is going to happen. There’s going to be plenty of fire, smoke, and impressive FOOFing, but the safety radius is more about smoke and toxic fumes than flames and explosions. With the neighborhood under water, moving fast to get out of the way is not an option, so a mile and a half perimeter sounds pretty reasonable.

  • whitroth

    Um, my late ex talked about explosions being an overpressure, and she actually knew what she was talking about (look up “hypergolics”, and you’ll know what she worked with).

    On the other hand, the most recent thing I saw said two “pops”, and there were six? eight? more containers. I suspect that what’s happening is that the conditions aren’t really right for a real, big explosion, so they’re getting smothered, or big *whoofs”, not big BANGS!

    But hey, we gots a number more to try for.

    • On the kids’ science shoe “Beekman’s World” (Alanna Ubach *swoon*), the host host described an explosion as “when something gets real big real fast” (which brings me back to Alanna Ubach).

  • Ωbjectifier

    “The plant has nine box vans with 36,000 pounds of organic peroxide in each. The organic peroxide is stored in 15-pound containers […]”
    That tells us pretty much nothing. Organic peroxides are a family of materials all with their own unique properties. So what exactly is being stored? Also, what are the concentrations? How is it stored? Solids? In solution?
    Arkema seems a bit reticent. Weird, huh?

    • gratuitous

      They’re telling us everything is just okely-dokely, and quit being such worry-warts, and really, it’s none of your business just what might or might not be at that plant. If you persist, we’re going to call you a commie. Fair warning. That is, if we’re all still here after this afternoon, but not because of any explosions because there haven’t been any explosions. Fake news!

  • Those aren’t splodey-splosions, just freedom pops.

  • Wait. After that fertilizer explosion they de regulated MORE?

  • I would like to point out also that overpressurized popping IS an explosion. Just because there is no 3 block hole does not mean it did not explode

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      Technically, there are different kinds of boom.
      I think a detonation involves supersonic expansion, creating a shock wave. Don’t know what qualifies as an explosion, but it’s less rapid.
      There’s also a fun thing called a “bleve” (boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion), which makes for good YouTube footage. (Or is that “bitage”?)

      • Robert Thomas

        You’re right – there are different categories of explosions. Rapid but subsonic combustion is deflagration, which may lead to a “low” explosive reaction (gun powder, for example, is a low explosive). If the combustion shockwave is supersonic through the fuel-oxidizer mixture, the result is a “high” explosive reaction.

        As you say, a boiler may also explode although its contents are not explosives.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    Now THIS is what winning looks like.

  • SkinlessGenderlessMan

    A short discourse on fun with peroxides, and informative comments after:
    http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2014/10/10/things_i_wont_work_with_peroxide_peroxides

    • Robert Thomas

      The article concerns the danger involved in preparing, using and handling inorganic peroxides, which are extremely powerful oxidizers and very dangerous in the presence of fuel. They’re used as part of rocket propellants and so forth.

    • amrak63

      I love Lowe’s “Things I Won’t Work With” series, which includes phrases such as “gibbering nitrogen-stuffed detonation bait”. ^_^

      • Robert Thomas

        It’s colorful and accurate description of such compounds.

  • Robert Thomas

    A “deflagration” occurs when a combustable mixture is locally ignited and the resulting heat travels subsonically through the mixture in a wave of further combustion (an exothermic redox reaction). If it’s progress through the material remains subsonic, the fastest deflagrations are “low explosive”; low-speed deflagration is what occurs in your fireplace. When an ignition wave travels at supersonic speed through combustable material, it’s called a “high explosive”.

    When methyl ethyl ketone peroxide, or benzoyl peroxide – that’s likely what these materials are – get too warm they “decompose” and expand, increasing pressure and temperature if the material is confined. No combustion of the material is necessary for this to happen. It can burst its container and may then ignite and burn, which is apparently what’s happened at this Arkema plant.

    MEKP is used in small amounts to cause liquid resin to harden in fiberglass mixtures and hobbyist resin casting and so forth. It’s very instability is what causes the useful hardening reaction. Benzoyl peroxide is among many other applications used to dry up oily skin.

  • Viktor

    The sheriffs best line was ” It’s smoke, like camp fire smoke” You could tell he was another chemical company shill on the bribe roll.

    • Robert Thomas

      Camp fire smoke can kill you.

  • Chuck

    Those chemical vapors won’t hurt you , they might kill you though.

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