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OK, you can punch Hitler, but that’s it.

Yes, the temptation is strong to give those assholes the ass kicking they deserve. Yes, they would beat you in a second if they could get away with it. Yes, you would get mad props on Twitter for punching Richard Spencer. But still!

DO NOT DO IT!!!!

Show up at the protest! Yell at them, flip them off, and laugh at their goofy waddle-running. Turn them into GIFs. But keep your hands to yourself!

Because this video is hilarious.

And this video is assault.

Alex Jones is going to sell a lot of snake-oil supplements off this stupid clip! You want to line the pockets of a racist who screams about the Jewish Mafia? That’s reason enough to just flip him off and keep on walking. But in case you need more, here are a few reasons you should NOT punch Nazis, no matter how much they suck.

Please Don’t Punch Nazis because: It Only Turns Them Into Martyrs!

Despite being healthy, white, straight and Christian, these Nazi wackaloons have somehow convinced themselves they are the real victims here! Their only meaningful interaction is online, no women will sleep with them, and they have decided that Blacks, or Jews, or Feminists are to blame. DO NOT give one of them a bloody nose so he can go whinging into the digital echo chamber about it. We would all like to give Chris Cantwell something to cry about, but that would be entirely counterproductive. He’d just go on YouTube and shout, “Look White People! This is why we fight!” Not helpful.

Please Don’t Punch Nazis because: You’re Likely to Get Shot!

These maniacs think they’re heading into a literal race war! Sucker punching Richard Spencer makes for a sweet GIF, until one of his buddies starts firing a machine gun into the crowd. These guys are heavily armed and amped up on adrenaline and Alex Jones’s trucker speed. Odds that half of them start firing indiscriminately: 100%.

Please Don’t Punch Nazis because: It Just Gives the Cops a Reason to Start Cracking Heads!

Black Lives Matters exists because brown people said, “Hey, Cops! Stop beating and killing us!” If you punch a Nazi and start a brawl, who the hell do you think the cops are going to hit with their truncheons: the unarmed brown kid, or the Nazi holding a machine gun? You want that on your conscience?

Please Don’t Punch Nazis because: The Liberal Media is a Myth!

If a hundred Nazis beat up clergymen, and one white kid with dreadlocks and a ring in his nose kicks Baked Alaska, which story is every network going to run on a continuous loop? There is NO equivalence between Nazis who show up strapped for battle and peaceful protestors. Don’t contribute to the Both Sides narrative!

Please Don’t Punch Nazis because: It Won’t Work!

Nobody ever punched a bad idea into submission. Do you think you’ll whack a Nazi over the head and he’ll suddenly shout, “What was I thinking! Clearly my local economy collapsed because of complex market forces, not just a Jewish conspiracy. Thank you kind sir for showing me the error of my ways!” Not bloody likely.

And Most Importantly, Please Don’t Punch Nazis because: It’s Just Wrong!

We don’t hit people just because they are assholes with terrible ideas! You learned this in kindergarten, and it’s still true. Sure, defend yourself if it comes to that. But DO NOT be starting shit with these useless leftovers! They may be gun-humping maniacs who fantasize that they’re warriors in some clash of civilizations. But you are a rational member of society who pays your taxes, and takes a baggy with you when you walk the dog, and understands that the world will go to shit if we all start throwing punches.

Donnie Bone Spurs ran as a preposterous caricature of masculine strength from a time when “men were men.” He advocates for police violence, beating protestors, and torturing prisoners. DON’T BE LIKE DONNIE!

Be like this guy here.

Reporter: So what did they do? What did the crowd around
[the white supremacist] do?

Mr. Awesome: Nothing! They just chanted at him. I just wanted to make sure he was alright. We walked in a circle. Yeah, he had his free speech, we used ours. I wanted to make sure that that idiot was safe. He’s an American citizen, just like me and you.

Reporter: And now they’ve gotten inside [the Nazi protest zone].

Mr. Awesome: Yeah, good for them. All three of ’em. We’ve won. Look around! We’ve won.

Reporter: Do you think this rally will take place? Do you think it will go on?

Mr. Awesome: Yeah, they should. Let ’em speak. Let their ideas out there. Their ideas are ridiculous. Their ideas are silly. And they’ll die. Their ideas will die in this sunlight today. We have won.

Thank you, Mr. Awesome! And thank you, Wonkers, for NOT PUNCHING NAZIS!

Please don’t punch us either! Fund us instead, so we can go buy more sheet cake. JUST KIDDING!

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  • Rick Hill

    But we can still kick puppies, right?

  • David Chaillou

    Is it ok if I just go and watch Inglourious Basterds again?

    • grindstone

      That’s a bingo.

  • Mr. Awesome is AWESOME.
    And now I am back on the not punching Waffle. I probably would not have punched anyway, except in self defense or defense of another, but it is good to be reminded. We’re better than they are.

  • Rick Hill
    • calliecallie

      I so wish that were true. Look at that guy. I miss him.
      I saw a yellow convertible corvette today and hoped Joe Biden was driving it.

    • SprinklemagicResistancebuns

      Save us, Obama Wan. You’re our only hope.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      I will take him back in a heartbeat.

  • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

    http://www.somethingawful.com/news/history-statues-confederacy/

    Without America’s many statues honoring Hitler, the next generation will have little understanding of the history of the Second World War. Many voices, including my own, warned about this possibility earlier in the year, but we were shouted down by Americans who said it was time we tear down the giant Hitler statues placed in our parks, town squares, and outside various government buildings. They demanded we stop “celebrating” history’s greatest tyrant. That we rename Hitler Park, Hitler High School, and Hitler Memorial Hospital to “less offensive” things.

    http://i.somethingawful.com/u/elpintogrande/112017/hitlerstatue.jpg

    • therblig

      ms. blig grew up in NW PA (Oil City/Franklin). She told me there used to be a Hitler’s Restaurant out there. Sadly, it closed before I ever met her (and planned to steal a menu).

      She also worked in a Mr. Donut with a cook named Hildy, who would become incensed at any criticism of Hitler who “Vass a goot man!!”

      • Latverian Diplomat

        FWIW, there’s a 2014 documentary about people named Hitler called Meet the Hitlers. Trailer:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSypS1lQ7Rs

        • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

          Wasn’t the name “Hitler” made up by Hitler’s father?

          • Latverian Diplomat

            No. It was never a common surname, but it did exist.

          • Werewolf

            Staff Sgt. Fred (or Frank, I don’t remember exactly) Hitler, US Army, 1942: “Hell, no! Let the other sonofabitch change his!”

          • Celtic_Gnome

            “Not many people know this, but my Dad was the first person to ever use the word Trump as a family name. I didn’t exist as a name before that. Believe me.”

      • Eileen Besse

        We had a Mister Donut in the 60s in Medfid, MA–neah Boston.

        • willi0000000

          ahem! . . . that’s “Mefid”

          • Eileen Besse

            Hahahahah! There’s “Medfid” and then there’s “Meffa” (mostly South Medford). Never heard “Mefid” before–thanks!

          • willi0000000

            why waste a perfectly good syllable?

          • Eileen Besse

            Hahahahahahah!

      • Cock Blockula

        For a truly interesting read, see this article about Hitler’s relatives in the U.S.:

        http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2000/07/17/hitlers-lost-family

    • folderol

      Alas, the statue of Lenin is coming down in Seattle, also. It’s the right thing to do, though I always thought of it as satire.

      http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Seattle-Mayor-Ed-Murray-removal-Lenin-statue-11882177.php

      • differentdrummer

        FWIW that’s what I thought the sheet cake thing was too, especially since Tina Fey was repeatedly and viciously stabbing the *flag* on the cake. Sometimes satire is a little too deadpan.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Alex Jones’ little adventure in Seattle was staged. His drooling fans don’t care, of course.

    • RT Hatfield

      Yeah, there’s no way you get hot coffee thrown in your face and don’t even wipe it off… unless it’s fake

      • Body language too.
        Dude looks almost apologetic. And Alex took off like a fat bull after a dude who flipped him off but just stood all outraged when someone actually assaulted him? Let him bring charges or STFU

        • Bad Tom

          “Alex, did you file a police report?”

      • folderol

        It was premium Seattle coffee that was tossed on Alex. Until it evaporated, Alex was a slightly higher quality steaming pile of dung.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      Wait, you are not followed around with a camera all day?

    • A Groucho Marxist

      That coffee attack was a clear false flag op perpetrated by rogue elements within the Alex Jones organization. Was that coffee CGI? It could have been.

    • Both Jones and Stratton are basically professional wrestlers- and we all know those matches are fake.

  • Jennifer R

    The nazi right doesn’t make martyrs out of anyone who fails to rack up a body count. The founder of the american nazi party was gunned down walking out of a laundromat and no one who I don’t bring this up to can even name his name. The guy who blew up the federal building in OK? He is a martyr, Asshole anders is a martyr and he is alive in a jail that is nicer than most of these people’s homes. People who want to kill others based on immutable facets simply need to be stopped. Tolerance and understanding aren’t suicide. pacts.

    Peace out.

    • SadDemInTex

      I with Jennifer R. These guys want a Bundy standoff with the police.

    • Bemused Australian

      <3

    • NerdWithNoName

      I remembered his name! The Nazi guy! It was George Lincoln Rockwell. I didn’t even need to look it up. I just frowned a while and then I remembered it. What’s my prize?

      • armed_bears

        Nazicognition merit badge?

  • Bill D. Burger

    Guess there’s only one way left to deal with Nazis then!

    https://media.giphy.com/media/7cAGURf0zN2Bq/giphy.gif

    • Rick Hill

      Latest images from the “Free speech” rallies, yesterday

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    OK OK. If it will make you happy, I won’t punch Nazis.

    But I will still play Castle Wolfenstein on XBOX and shoot the fuck out of them.

    • Anna Rompage

      Xbox? You need to go old school and play that on an Apple II+

  • David Chaillou

    Back when i was a kid, there was only 2 tv channels, and they alternated evenings for movies. On even days you had war movies with evil Nazis getting killed on La Une, and on odd days you had western movies with evil Indians getting killed on La Deux. Very educative.

  • CaliCheeseSucks

    How about indulging in gifs where they get thrown off zeppelins?

    http://i.imgur.com/075zFYI.gif

    • differentdrummer

      WHY CAN’T WE HAVE FREE SPEECH *AND* ZEPPELINS?!

      • Msgr_MΩment

        That’d go over like a heavy-metal rigid-body floating vessel.

        • differentdrummer

          To Valhalla in a handbasket?

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        *shocked passengers*

        Indy: *points* “NO TICKET!”

        *shocked passengers immediately produce their papers*

        • Celtic_Gnome

          Well, TBF, it was Germany.

          • Kiri the Unicorn

            Deutsche Zeppelin Reederei did not tolerate stowaways, even if they’re SS officers.

  • armed_bears

    DON’T BE LIKE DONNIE! Be like Mr. Awesome.

  • Bill D. Burger

    If Nazis don’t leave when you taunt them a second time, step it up:

    https://68.media.tumblr.com/be38601dfa26937e302890fbeece5f02/tumblr_o5b3xfbuzh1tq4of6o1_400.gif

  • David Chaillou
  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    The trouble with punching Nazis in public at large gatherings is that it rapidly turns into a riot.

    That being said, in Charlottesville the Nazis and KKK showed up with clubs, shields and assault weapons in such large numbers that they overwhelmed the tiny police force of only 136.

    As much as I admire your ethics, I think you are kidding yourself if you think that just letting Nazis punch and hit others would have played out as swiftly. I am pretty sure they were trying to achieve a Bundy-type standoff because they had the local police outnumbered and outgunned.

    A more visible escalation probably lead to it wrapping up more swiftly because they bugged out when they heard the National Guard was on its way and because there was real resistance.

    • Thing I do not get is, after they began beating on clergy, would not what bull ring dude did count as defense of other?

  • Bill D. Burger

    Early and less violent means than a World War didn’t work well in getting rid of Hitler.

    http://www.joke-of-the-day.com/files/images/kickme.jpg

    • wait! what?

      I was hoping it would say “Kiss me, I’m Jewish.”

    • OutOfOrbit

      we were naive and ignorant then, not any more, never again

  • Baconzgood

    Baconz and 5$F will have to agree to disagree on this point.

    • OutOfOrbit

      i side with $5F

      • Baconzgood

        But punching Nazis feels so right how could it be wrong?

    • Bemused Australian

      If offered a choice between Bacon and Feminism, I’m not sure how I’d decide.

      • grindstone

        That’s diabolical.

        • Bemused Australian

          Civil rights. The price may be too high.

    • Edith Prickly

      I understand the feeling, but $5F is right about all the ways it won’t work. The civil rights movement had the impact it did because it was nonviolent.

      That said, if a Nazi took a swing at me, I pack a mean counterpunch.

  • lowenufc

    Can I throw glitter on Nazis?

    • Msgr_MΩment

      WWJD?

      • Latverian Diplomat

        WWRTD? [What Would Rip Taylor Do?]

        OK, that was confetti, glitter’s less flashy cousin.

    • OutOfOrbit

      actually, if you get any in their eyes it could cause bad

  • ken_kukec

    There’re some Nazis whose ears I’d like to box in, but only in the squared-circle, according to the rules of the Marqess de Queensbury.

  • Bemused Australian

    OT

    Has Persistently_Resistent_Gaybee made posts? He was in a bad place, and I am worried about him.

    • Unsure. He’s in Australia, so the rime difference is weird

      • Bemused Australian

        I’m a Disqus fool. He is maybe one of my followers, and I am maybe following him also, but don’t know how to check.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      I was wondering the same thing.

      • Bemused Australian

        He is a fellow Melburnian, so I am fretting.

    • Marion in Savannah

      I’m pretty sure he posted in the last thread about the Australian write-in referendum on gay marriage.

  • Anna Rompage

    Personally, I’m getting a kick out of all the whiny Twitter postings from these hoofwanking bunglecucks about the blow back they are experiencing after participating in a alt right white nationalist rally…

    I don’t condone the death threats, but to see these people get a little taste of what they’re advocating to do to the Jews, lgbtq community, and people of color, makes my heart smile

    • grindstone

      It’s the problem with staying in your bubble, you believe everyone thinks like you do. It’s often a shock when you find out otherwise. While I prefer sites that tend to lean left, I applaud those of you brave enough to wade into the right-wing places.

      • The Librarian

        I prefer those left places too, but every now and then I wade in the muck, just to keep perspective on why I believe the way I do.

      • SnarkON

        The “bubble” trope is a trope designed to make liberals feel like the bad guys. We’re not. No one here is in a bubble; we’re all well aware of what the other side thinks. I would in fact say this is now true of any American who isn’t living under a rock.

        • grindstone

          Well, actually, I was referring to the fact that the Nazis in Boston were downright surprised when they were so few, and the protesters were so many.

    • natoslug

      I enjoy hearing about lost jobs. With luck, they’ll all be permanently unemployable and ostracized. Or at least until they learn that being a fucking Nazi is not cool.

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        I hope at least one of the places that fired a neo-nazi manages to hire a Jew.

        “Oops! Guess I did replace you. Looks like the chants didn’t take!”

    • Paul

      Ya know, I didn’t think it was possible to improve hoofwanking bunglecunts but I am glad to be proven wrong. Thanks for the laugh.

  • Tzipora Kaplan

    The reporter also asked him: how long will you stay out here? and the Awesome Random Boston Dude goes ‘WE’LL STAY OUT HERE TIL FUCKING THURSDAY’ and a new #Resistance rallying cry was born.

    He is a hero of the Rebel Alliance.

    • Ghenghis McCann

      Strange, I can find Shrove Tuesday, Ash Wednesday and Good Friday on my calendar but no Fucking Thursday.

      • It’s every Thursday if you’re lucky.

      • differentdrummer

        It’s the day before Casual Sex Friday.

        • Paul

          Won’t be on that calendar. Those are all Catholic holy days.

          (And let’s not have any altar boy jokes)

      • Msgr_MΩment

        If you have to ask, you ain’t celebrating it.

      • CafeenMan

        Right wingers just have, “Wanking Monday”, “Wanking Tuesday”, “Wanking Wednesday”, “Wanking Thursday”, “Wanking Friday”, “Wanking Saturday” and “Wanking Sunday”.

        But each day is different. Some days there’s a piece of 1/2″ pvc pipe, other days there’s a vacuum with a hose reducer, some days there’s goat porn on the computer and then there’s Gimp Day.

        • therblig

          and on your birthday – a real goat.

          • CafeenMan

            They can substitute a sheep if they think it’s sexier.

        • differentdrummer

          And tweezers. Don’t forget the tweezers.

        • natoslug

          And pretty much every day involves sobbing uncontrollably at completion.

        • Ill-Advised

          You did research? Thank you for your service to your community.

        • Ghenghis McCann

          Every day, they can exercise their right arm so they can give the bigliest Nazi salutes. It makes so much sense.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Black shoes and trousers, white socks. Stay classy mister Jones.

  • JoeChristmas

    Thanks for this FDF. I’ve been saying this all week. And fuck anarchists and the like.

  • SadDemInTex

    Is bear spray not an appropriate response to Nazis?

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      The theme her is please don’t PUNCH Nazis.

    • wait! what?

      Is that bear pee or mace?

      • SadDemInTex

        OMG…you can get animal pee in a spray!!! In this case I should have called it bear mace. Thanks for the idea of animal pee!!!!

    • Ghenghis McCann

      Spray yourself with bear and that will frighten them off.

      • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

        Tried it. Doesn’t work…. of course nowadays they have more sophisticated spray systems. Wind on the other hand…

    • Latverian Diplomat

      If you’re a bear?

  • differentdrummer
    • Bemused Australian

      Once again. Soros was a a student of Popper. Therefore SOROS!

    • Christopher Story

      This

  • Me not sure

    Silly string seems to be the current weapon of choice.

  • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

    Also, please don’t trebuchet Nazis.

    • OutOfOrbit

      just the heads ok?

    • CafeenMan

      The way that weapon works is just ungainly and awkward.

      I’m kind of fond of the ballista.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      Black Lives Matter protected them and escorted them out.

    • Nounverb911

      #Snowflakes

      • grindstone

        They are terrified that they’ll be treated the way the wish they could treat those not like themselves.

        • differentdrummer

          Same way homophobes fear other men treating them like they treat women.

    • grindstone

      Why yes, this is America. Glad you fucking noticed.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        This Biggs guy is extraordinarily loathsome, even for a “white nationalist.” Waded into his Twitter feed and needed a shower afterwards.

      • Me not sure

        I believe that all of those people might be Americans too. I love the look on that guys face.
        “Where did THEY come from?”

    • Me not sure

      Did they actually try just walking the fuck out?

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨
    • therblig

      “If I’m killed, that’s fine,” he said. “Maybe I’ll be a martyr or something, or remembered.”

      or not.

      • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

        I don’t know. “or something” is a safe bet.

  • Rachel Book Harlot

    Yeah, I’m gonna have to agree with this post. While as a person of color I cannot help feel some form of…I don’t even know how to describe my feelings really: relief, a sense of vindication, a “hell yeah, fuck that guy!” watching people like Spencer and Jones be assaulted, I know that’s just my base urges talking and it’s wrong. I can’t let that part of myself take over because it’s ugly. Assault is never okay. Self defense is one thing, but this is a whole other ball of wax. Innocent people could get killed. But I’ll admit that I definitely struggle with that other part of myself because people like Spencer long to see me dead or subjugated.

  • Nasty Candy Apple

    Only one thing could have stopped our movement – if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement.

    – Adolf Hitler

    • Latverian Diplomat

      That guy had loads of unhelpful advice.

    • Mike

      I like that quote
      Just curious…is that a real Hitler quote…? Not having luck sourcing it…link…?

      • natoslug

        It’s from his memoirs. Small publishing house in Argentina, 1963 . . .

        • Mike

          Thx, Snopes has a different citation and a mostly true rating. Still, like to be precise. Nothing worse than getting burned.
          I’ll check your lead and see how it turns out.
          Thx again

          • natoslug

            You’re welcome. Personally, I preferred his graphic novels from the early 70’s, the “Mime Furries” series. Unfortunately, silent furries escaping from invisible boxes and yiff-piling on invisible escalators just never caught on with the general public. Maybe if he’d focused more on his art and less on his holocausting he would have found a larger audience.

  • Reximus
    • Bemused Australian

      Brown shirt, brown trousers.

      • From “Blood and Soil” to soiled pants…

        • Bemused Australian

          Nice. Needs tweaking, but is good.

        • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

          WIPE POWER! WIPE POWER!

    • Ghenghis McCann

      It’s all fun and games until somebody says ‘boo’ at you. Then you start wondering where your mummy is.

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    Punching Nazis should be national sport and a TV show. Fuck them!

  • The Librarian

    I prefer to throw verbal punches because it really reveals their idiocy. Physical ones just gives them an excuse and a leg to stand on. However, I must admit I enjoyed the Cantwell cry me a river video.

    • anon_the_great

      They won’t have a working leg to stand on if you do it right.

      • The Librarian

        I understand the sentiment.

    • CafeenMan

      The fun thing about insulting them is that they’re usually too stupid to even understand the insult.

      • The Librarian

        True, but it’s also amazing how many others will back you up and just nail the idiot.

    • Cantwell was punched by karma.

      • The Librarian

        And it was lovely.

  • wait! what?

    Oh, great.

    Anyone wanna buy 10,000 “I’ve never punched a nazi that i didn’t like” bumper stickers?

    • CafeenMan

      I’ll send you an SASE for one. :)

    • Ghenghis McCann

      Damn printers; they missed off ‘punching’ at the end.

      • wait! what?

        All those sold first.

        • Ghenghis McCann

          I probably should have added ‘with votes’ . Thank goodness I don’t post here.

    • therblig

      is there a market for richard spencer urinal cakes?

  • CafeenMan

    I agree with this post for very few reasons. The main reasons being that it lets wing nuts rationalize all the violence (physical, economic, etc.) on those they hate.

    I agree because yeah, they are just looking for excuses to shoot someone. If they die without ever getting to use any of their toys on another human then they will feel as if they totally lost at life.

    I agree because cops have a strange way of avoiding the aggressive trouble-makers and taking on the non-violent, unarmed people who oppose them.

    But this statement is absolutely untrue: “Nobody ever punched a bad idea into submission.”

    Actually everyone who ever won a war won by beating the other side into submission.

    It’s how we got a country.

    I am not saying it’s a good thing or the right thing to do but that a lot has been resolved by violence in human history.

    • differentdrummer

      I’m a firm believer that Lincoln’s “let ’em up easy” policy was a tragic mistake.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        The rise of Nazism after the Treaty of Versailles tells a different story.

        • differentdrummer

          Not an especially good analogy, since WWI was basically a family feud among Victoria’s inbred grandchildren. There wasn’t an *ideology* that needed to be made embarrassing and shameful – such as fascism or slaveholding.

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            True enough. But imposing a harsh peace bred hatred and resentment, and gave a monstrous ideology a toehold.

            I’m not sure that any policy in the Reconstruction era would have changed things much. The bitterness that grew out of the South’s subjugation, coupled with race hatred, was always something that only time would heal. And I’m just not sure that you could have sped things up by imposing harsher terms on the defeated Confederates.

      • CafeenMan

        Very much agreed. Taking the “high ground” doesn’t always mean being nice. It just means not going low.

  • Bad Tom

    No Nazis were punched in Boston yesterday. I was there.
    We did shout at them. We also had cool signs of high artistic merit.

    It was great!

    • Was the spelling and grammar on those signs?

      • CafeenMan

        I’ll bet there was even some punctuation! Very high class signs.

        • therblig

          interrobangs are inherently violent. they have “bang” right in the name.

      • Bad Tom

        Our signs had excellent spelling and grammar.
        That’s how you knew that they were made by Liberals. Who attended school. And paid attention.

        The artistic merit was also too pretty good.
        ——-
        One of the reasons I love Boston is all the art.

    • Bemused Australian

      You are a violent leftist who hates free speech!

      • Bad Tom

        There is no other explanation.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Did any of them do a soccer flop and cradle their knee for 20 minutes?

      • wait! what?

        I though nazi floppers only happened on the bidet.

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    • differentdrummer

      OK, I need some confirmation here. The allegations about throwing urine – the only backing for that I’ve seen was BPD’s statement asking people not to do it, which sounds like ratfucking to me. Did it happen or was that more bullshit?

      • The Librarian

        Some idiot sent me a link where FauxSnooze said some rightie was run over. Amazing how that didn’t happen and no other news outlet had such a story.

        I’m calling the urine thing the same bullshit.

        • differentdrummer

          OK, so chalk up one ratfucking incident on the BPD tally. Which is a shame, since overall their response was positive and they *praised* the protesters for keeping it cool and civil.

      • Riley Whodat Venable

        I think many of the alt-right marchers has soiled their pants, and needed a cover story.

      • Bad Tom

        I read that in today’s Boston Globe. I saw nothing like that; however the crowd was BIG.

    • wait! what?

      Jimmy Fallon should reprise Sully.

      ” I got a wicked rager melting nazi snowflakes today.”

      • Eileen Besse

        “I gutta wickid ragah meltin’ Nazi snowflakes t’day.”

        • calliecallie

          Cannot have too many upfists for this.

          • Eileen Besse

            Thanks. Lived nearly IN Boston for the first half of my life. Also too, bein’ wicked Irish (second gen born here) and having’ Irish & Italian neighbors/friends/enemies, y’know?

    • Eileen Besse

      LOVE YOU!!!!!!

      • Bad Tom

        (Blushes)

    • Paul

      What the hell is the story in the news about an old lady falling down after someone took her flag? JFC I hope that’s all bullshit. Did you see what happened?

      The last thing these flaming assholes need is a “martyr”. Especially an older woman.

      • Frank Underboob

        It’ll be some shit they made up. Literally half an hour after that Nazi murderer ran his car into the crowd, one of them was Tweeting that the driver was an Antifa.

        • Paul

          Agreed, I call bullshit too

      • Bad Tom

        I’ve read all the stories in the Boston Globe. Nothing about an old lady falling down with or without a flag.

        • Paul

          Today’s Berkshire Eagle ran an AP article that said “black clad counter-protesters grabbed an American flag from an elderly woman’s hands and she stumbled and fell to the ground.”

          Fuckin’ Eagle is usually OK. Don’t know why they printed this drivel. Harrumph harrumph.

          Thanks

    • Grokenstein

      That probably hurt them worse than an actual beating.

  • These last two weekends have been bad for Nazis- Gionet has a fake bear mace video, Spencer was arrested, Cantwell was crying and will have to turn himself in, Briggs has that silly ‘ermagerd we’re surrounded’ tweet, a bunch of the pawns have been fired from their low-pay, low-status jobs. There’s no need to punch them when they’ve been body-slammed by reality.

    It’s as if the American public’s immune system has finally kicked in.

    • OutOfOrbit

      it is our tolerance of Free Speech that let it get this far, it is learning our lessons from history that ended it in Boston. This is not the 20th century

      • The key now is to step up the ridicule of their leaders, and to out their footsoldiers so their individual communities can levy sanctions against them. Make them all feel, like that upstate NY kid, like their ‘lives are over’. That kid will probably find work, but nothing that involves responsibility or authority.

    • Rick Hill

      Thanks, trump.

    • FDRliberal

      And Alex Jones had coffee thrown into his repugnant face.

  • Canis Greyhame

    With a running form like that, looks like Alex Jones missed his true calling: physical comedy.
    https://68.media.tumblr.com/0d89ee622ddf9df2516a426a30175804/tumblr_ms88xjbW5l1rku5g7o1_400.gif

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      that’s not Curly?

    • chimpevil

      He’s definitely a Stooge. Would pay to see Moe give him the two-fingered eye poke.

  • azeyote

    don’t even touch them – they have cooties –

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Reximus
    • Ghenghis McCann

      ‘Lysistrata! You’d better get home and make me some vittles.’

  • foiled again

    Can we continue to ridicule their ittybitty weiners, their shrimpy brains and their monorchid Adophy godhead?

  • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

    We are liberals, we are non-violent, but that doesn’t mean that we can’t appreciate our history lessons (not from statues even), like this awesome magic lantern slide from the 1870s depicting the bloody fighting at Gettysburg – the battle that turned the tide of the Civil War:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9951346944e2a3f5e6d80729652b6957e7cb5841d38f3cd518c8640dd3105806.jpg

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Vicksburg libelz!

  • Rick Hill

    Well, everyone showed up yesterday and put the “free speech” nazis in their place. I hope you’re happy with yourselves.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨
    • Latverian Diplomat

      “Young people today, always liking the President they helped elect.”
      — A Republican, circa 2014.

    • jesterpunk

      As Jen pointed out yesterday when Obama was president they interviewed conservatives to see how they felt since they lost. They never interview liberals to see how we feel.

    • Canis Greyhame

      We better send another reporter to some cafe in Palookaville, Wisconsin, in order to get the scoop from a bunch of pasty Trump supporters about how they’ll never stop supporting him. Never.

  • Bill D. Burger

    “The struggle will be long. It will not be a quick or easy victory but we will prevail over the Hun!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsve9wB_sEA

  • Cindy Marabito

    Just for fun here’s Alex video with Dicks music..Dead in a Motel Room:

    https://twitter.com/texasdicks/status/898635006561497088/video/1

  • Somebody needs to add Yakity Sax to that video of Alex Jones running around Seattle like an overexcited yappy dog looking for a fire hydrant to pee on.

    • Even better, “Stuart”- Alex Jones knows what the queers are doing to the soil!

  • SnarkON

    For real, though, for 99.999999% of the liberal population, is punching Nazis even a thing?

    • Latverian Diplomat

      If you talk about a thing enough, even in jest, some idiot’s gonna wanna do it.

    • OutOfOrbit

      nope

    • Bill Diaz

      The video of that one Nazi dude (Richard Spencer) getting popped in the chops got a lot of upfists. It was a pretty shameful display on our part I thought.

      Doing something wrong, is wrong regardless of who you do it to (including clocking Nazis).

      Have a great day!

  • Raan

    Idea: The next time white supremacists are giving a speech in your area (or farther away if you’re willing to travel), organize with the rest if the counter-protestors to give them a laugh track. Any time they stop for any reason, laugh.

    • CafeenMan
    • anon_the_great

      Better yet. Organize a fundraiser for Planned Parenthood. Have X number of people give a dollar for every minute they speak. Bring a flip board or some even smarter visual aid tracking the money raised. Win/Win

      • Canis Greyhame

        All of the above, Katie.

      • Raan

        Or for the SPLC.

    • wait! what?

      The knights who say ni at hate speeches could be a thing.

      • Raan

        I am on board with fuckin’ this.

    • Doug Langley
    • SpudRaider

      No they should play tapes of speeches Lincoln, Martin Luther King, and
      Malcom X. Piss em off and teach them some history at the same time.

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      Are there rapid-deployment projection screens? Pop one up, as large as practical, and play Bugs Bunny cartoons…

      • Raan

        I don’t know about that, but if you get a couple of sturdy oak trees close enough together, you could tie up, like, a king-size top sheet.

      • differentdrummer

        Only practical for a night-time event, whereat you might as well use the side of a nearby building. Cf. slogans projected over the porticos of Trump hotels.

  • Hemp Dogbane

    Another reason: In fantasyland the punching is exciting and satisfying, not to mention looks great in the video. In the real world, one punch and the punchee has to schedule rides to the TBI clinic for the next year because they lost their drivers license after the series of seizures.

  • Carpe Vagenda
  • proudgrampa

    Hear! Hear! Punching Nazis is a waste of energy.

    And will also bring you up on a charge of assault and battery. Which is stupid.

    • anon_the_great

      Only if you get caught…

    • CafeenMan

      Do flame-throwers count as “punching”?

      • Latverian Diplomat

        “Neither one bothers me much.”
        — Luke Cage

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Of course it’s a waste of energy, that’s why they need to charge your battery.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Sure, look how well shaming the current commander in chief has worked in shutting him down.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Punching him is not really an option.

  • jesterpunk

    Don’t punch a Nazi, you never know where they have been and what they have. You will need to take them to the doctors with you so you can get all the shots you need.

    • wait! what?

      Tapping out a nazi is right out!

    • Maybe

      Punching should only be used in immediate self-defense. But I think a lower blow would be even more effective and you can deliver it with one knee.

  • Mike

    Honestly…adding more force to any equation increases to result.
    Imagine if no counter protesters showed up to their silly rally for ‘free speech’, you’d have seen 50 or so idiot suburban millennials surrounded by 500 cops…
    Yea, I know it’s hard to resist calling these scumbags what they are, but even meeting them on the battlefield has a way of demeaning oneself…every second thinking about a Nazi is a second you should be doing something else…

    Now if only I could practice what I preach…:-)

    • Maybe

      I think the Whussy (White Supremacist) movement is currently too strong to ignore. It is gratifying that so many people are protesting Trump’s racist enabling, both online and by showing up at protests. It seems to be pretty effective.

      I agree that violence is a mistake, but protesters should show up to ridicule.

      • Mike

        Oh yea, watching 40k people tell some Nazi’s to get the fuck out town is a giant rush of dopamine…I just worry about giving them any notice at all.

        • Rachel Book Harlot

          Unfortunately, we have to give them notice because these cretins breed in darkness.

        • Maybe

          It is unfortunate that counter-protesting these guys gives them the attention they so desperately crave. Do you suppose their mommies loved them too little or too much?

          A few decades ago I would have chosen to ignore/laugh at them, but I think their movement is too mainstream to just go away on its own. They helped elect a racist, incompetent, mean-spirited President. I can’t ignore that. I have nightmares about it.

    • Regret

      Or you could go there, have your own event (a picnic for example), and treat them like the tiny loudmouthed disrupting minority that they are.

      Then call the cops on them for disrupting your picnic.

  • anon_the_great

    I’m sorry but if Alex Jones came after me like that I’d sit him down on the sidewalk and then call the cops.

    And here’s something that ain’t being talked about: The fundamental human right of self-defence. There is 1st hand testimony by a lady pastor who said it was the riot gear equipped Antifada that prevented them from being beaten or worse by Nazis. By being prepared for street violence the Antifa successfully defended a whole passel of humans as well as their rights.

    When the Nazis and other paste eaters leave the battle rattle at home we should too.

    • Bill Diaz

      BS. The dirtbags in ‘antifa’ are scumbags too. They arent a part of our protests or anything I (or anyone I know) supports. ‘Coming prepared’ for violence is self fulfilling prophecy and I reject the implied violence of antifa in the same way I do from emo-Nazis.

      Have a great day!

      • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

        If thou wouldst have peace, prepare thee for war.
        If thou wouldst have war, prepare thee then for thatte as well.
        Funny how that worketh outtte, is it not?

        • Bill Diaz

          You have no idea who I am, thus how stupid that that would sound if you did.

          Have a great day!

          • Regret

            I’m having trouble parsing your sentence.
            There seems to be a bit missing between ‘thus’ and ‘how’.

            The closest I can get is ‘You have no idea who I am, thus you have no idea how stupid that would sound if you did have an idea who I am.’
            That is circular so that cannot have been your intended message. Can someone enlighten me?

          • kareemachan

            Me too. I wish someone (ie, Bill) would enlighten us.

      • janecita

        I’m sorry Bill, but I’m sure that these clergy members would greatly disagree with you.
        http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/what_the_alt_left_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    The concern-trolling is coming from inside the house!

    I keed, because Fi’dallah is absolutely right. Look at it this way: why the fuck do we want to give these assholes the thing they want most? Give them what they don’t expect (and don’t expect any thanks for it). The folks in Boston who worked to prevent violence, and then peacefully escorted the Brownshorts to safety are the real heroes, and it has to gall the fuck out of some of these creeps to know that.

  • timpundit
  • CountryClubJihadi

    Can we non-violently use a bit of Liquid Ass when appropriate?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2EM48RzBDs

  • SpudRaider

    100 % agreement These folks want to get attacked, if it happens in mass, at one of their little rallies they’ll use it to justify shooting saying “they were so outnumbered.” Trump’s language is not helpful in diffusing these folks.

    • Regret

      “en masse”
      In mass would be during a catholic thing, nazis hate catholics.

      • SpudRaider

        sorry science major not lit major

  • azeyote

    i just saw the ghost of andrew young on t.v. – someone who cares should keep old feeble minded people from embarrassing themselves – it would only be right

  • Ricky Gay

    Sounds good in theory!

  • Fartknocker

    My strategy is to hang out with a group made up of cat owners and fabricate signs with funny phrases employing umlauts that mock these trolls.

  • TJ Barke

    Do we really have to start off Sunday with one of these infighty threads?

    • Augustus

      Yeah, as long as there are people on our side being jerks, we have to do our best to prevent any physical violence

      it helps them win when they can broadcast even a tiny out of context clip of someone they can label as a Leftist doing anything even remotely violent

    • natoslug

      SHUTUPIWANNAFIGHTYOU’REFIGHTINGNOTME!!11!!!!!

  • Bill D. Burger

    Theodore Geisel, aka. Dr. Seuss created a ton of cartoons in the 40s featuring Private Snafu to warn the soldiers of the Nazi threat and how to deal with it.
    Fav character in ‘Spies’ is Nazi agent ‘Microphone Tits’.
    ….Yup! that Dr Seuss…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws9L-Kifjkg

    (*Geisel later said they were done in cartoon form and in rhyme to cater to the educational levels of the average recruit.)

    Another factoid FYI! ✍(◔-◔)

    • janecita

      That Nazi agent is a total babe.

    • Bill Diaz

      That is Mel Blanc’s voice as well.

      Have a great day!

    • Zyxomma

      Don’t tell Drumpf! He’ll want to de-fund the National Archives.

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea

    Not really going to weigh in on the concern about nazi punching, but I don’t think I agree with the idea of not showing up and letting them all look like a bunch of losers.

    Right now it’s too easy to forget that they really are a small group of losers. The show of opposition in Boston was inspiring and encouraging. Good people need morale boosts and inspiration and a voice just as much as the assholes, if not more so.

    Part of the reason for the increase in white supremacist rallies is that they truly believed that with the electon of Trump, it was their turn. They believed it was evidence that they are the silent majority.

    Prove them fucking wrong. With tubas, whenever available.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      When they’re outnumbered 1000 to one it’s hard for them to argue that they’re the silent majority.
      Richard Spencer is a coward. He picked his torchlight march for a time and place when he knew a lot of students wouldn’t be on the campus. It was designed to intimidate.

      • Rachel Book Harlot

        One of the things I’ll never forget was seeing photos of a small number of counter protesters surrounding the statue locking arms and facing off against the larger number of nazi idiots. Talk about courage. Those are true heroes.

        • Frank Underboob

          And a bunch of them got a beating for it too.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      I agree with you. I said this the other day, the side by side photos of the dumb fuck rally and the counter protesters made me want to cry. It was beautiful.

    • Raan

      No, not with tubas. With sousaphones.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        My apologies to sousaphones.

    • BeachBum

      Yeah. After the election I had a family member tell me things are really gonna get better for “us” meaning white people.

  • Maybe

    We really need a good nickname for these guys. How about:

    White Supremacists – Whussies

    • Bemused Australian

      How about “Do you need a hug?”

      • janecita

        I’m not volunteering! They all have cooties.

        • Bemused Australian

          I would hug them. I give yooge bear hugs, and all are welcome to them.

      • Maybe

        I’m worried they might accept.

  • Lizzietish81

    This, a thousand times.

    When I was a clinic escort we spent more time protecting the protesters because they wanted angry husbands, boyfriends or what have you to punch them.

  • The Wanderer

    Is it still okay to figuratively punch Nazis, by exposing their stupidity and their toxic ideology for the idiocy that it is?

    • Raan

      Yes.

      • The Wanderer

        Good! Thank you very much.

    • BosGrl

      My dad just sang “Punch, punch, punch a ball. We’re having so much fun. Use your hand or fist or wrist to keep it on the run.”

  • timpundit

    I joke, I joke, but I seriously wouldn’t punch anyone unless they were punching me first, I don’t care if it’s a Nazi, or a drunk, or a squirrel or a drunk Nazi squirrel.

    • wait! what?

      Nutzi squirrels are the worst.

    • The Wanderer

      My philosophy at work is “You get one chance; afterwards, you’re mine.” Out in public, the same general philosophy applies.

    • Bill D. Burger
    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      As someone who practices Wing Chun this is our philosophy. If someone wants to fight: walk away. If that isn’t enough take him out under ten seconds. The techniques I have learned to do so do not guarantee the other to survive.

      • Rachel Book Harlot

        Did you just say Wang Chung?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoXu6QmxpJE

        • Robbertjan Brandenburg

          I loved that song as a kid.

      • Zyxomma

        I practice internal Chinese martial arts (Tai Chi, Pa Kua) and we’re in agreement.

    • calliecallie

      I won’t hit the Nazi unless the Nazi hits me first, but if he does, I’m going knee to the balls. Bigly.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Thanks FDF, I agree. For an example of how it is done correctly, see this thread: https://twitter.com/qwrrty/status/898998545088299008

    • grindstone

      For those of us who don’t have a twitter account……?

      • Moebym of the Returners

        Doesn’t matter. Just click on the tweet to read the whole thread.

      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        Do you need an account to read tweets? Ok, the short version is that BLM went out of their way to protect the Nazis because they are better than hate, they took pains to de-escalate, and they also proved that the RWNJ narrative of them being violent could not be fed by their actions.

  • janecita

    I’m confused, Robyn wrote a story yesterday, calling the guy that threw coffee at Alex Jones a “hero.” Now he is just some dude, assaulting Alex Jones? I’m sorry but this is a bit ridiculous.

    • TJ Barke

      Well, he’s neither, considering that shit was almost certainly staged.

      • janecita

        It did look staged to me.

    • shivaskeeper

      There are differences of opinion, even among the staff here. It’s just a thing.

      As for the coffee on A Jones, regardless what you think of him, it’s still assault. If he wanted to press charges it could get ugly.

      Personally I advocate for people to do whatever they are willing to face the consequences of doing.

      • wait! what?

        The “consequences accepted” movement is born.

      • Bill Diaz

        So youre a big fan of suicide bombers then? Murdering massive numbers of people is ok if you die?

        That seems to be the logical extension of what you are advocating.

        Have a great day!

        • shivaskeeper

          Yeah… no. Did I say go ahead and suicide bomb something? Not sure where that came from, but OK.

          I said if you want to punch a Nazi be ready to face the inevitable assault charge that will follow. If you want to tear down a statue, be ready to face the felony charges that will follow.

          No free passes on violence for their side or ours. That has been my point of view for a long time here.

          So yeah, If you want to take that as a go ahead to blow shit up with a suicide vest, that’s on you, not me.

    • differentdrummer

      Hearing out different points of view, it’s a thing, see?

    • David Roosa

      I don’t know about Washington, but in new York that doesn’t meet the criteria for assault. harassment second degree maybe.

  • Count Awesome

    I am confused. I thought the only reason Nazis existed was so they could be punched in the face.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      You’re thinking of the Nazis in Indiana Jones movies.

      • Ghenghis McCann

        They got paid for it.

  • weejee

    Watch Alex’s feet in the gif. If he played the line in feetsbawl, I’m guessing it wasn’t a position where he was expect to move much. I’m surprised he didn’t trip over his clodhoppers waddling through that Seattle Alt-Left No Go Zone.

    • Raan

      Please, he’s the kind of asshole who shows up for one practice, gets cut, and spends the rest of his life whining about an old football injury that kept him from going pro.

  • wait! what?

    In times like these I really miss Chumbawamba; trump-thumping could totally be a thing.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      Well I have been pissing most nights away.

    • The Wanderer

      Well, when I get knocked down, I get up again. Nothing’s going to keep me down, you know?

      • weejee

        Time after time. Forty years ago, if you had told me the USA would elect, and then reelect a blah president in my lifetime, I would have said you were crazy.

      • Raan

        A lot of the Wonketeriat has been taking a whiskey drink, taking a vodka drink, taking a lager drink, and taking a cider drink lately.

        • Parakeetist

          Oh yeah.

  • DainBramage
    • armed_bears

      She seems nice.

      • differentdrummer

        She actually does.

    • Raan

      Plus, I bet having someone who’s clearly against what they want help them to leave just burns they ass.

      • Mildred Broxon

        Someone has to take care of the poor little things.

      • CottonBlimp

        Tbh, I doubt it does. It probably legitimizes them in their minds. Don’t forget they’ve gone their whole lives expecting to be coddled while they treat their “lessers” like shit.

  • Carpe Vagenda
  • HooverVilles

    Well stated F$F!!!!!

  • Carpe Vagenda

    National Review asshole on Joy – they were against anti-trust for Microsoft – wants to nationalize tech companies with overwhelming market presence as regulated utilities so the US government can force partisan content on an international audience, but doesn’t think we need net neutrality.

  • I was just on faceplace, and a conservative friend of mine just posted that “The Antifa” is going to protest at Sturgis because “to many confederate flags.”

    • Lizzietish81

      Didn’t Sturgis burn down?

      • No clue. This guy doesn’t have one either, but we were fellow band geeks in high school, so I don’t have the heart to unfriend him. Plus, I genuinely like him, in spite of his oibvious defect.

        • I just googled it, and it already happened. It ended on the 13th.

        • kareemachan

          Be sure to point out his dumbass mistake. Nicely, of course.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      Stugis ended last week.

  • Wolf Tracker

    Agreed: Nazi’s are looking for reasons to sue people and unfortunately the ACLU has been helping them to get permits for rallies.

    That is why they are organizing rallies on college campuses and in cities and they want to be punched and attacked so they can sue and use it to recruit.

    What they don’t want is to have their pictures taken with their Nazi insignia and be outed publicly so they lose their jobs, friends and family.

    Cameras and public humiliation are the best weapon against Nazi’s so use them

    • kareemachan

      Remember that the ACLU has tweaked its policy. I doubt it would have helped the C’ville nazis under their new rules.

      • Wolf Tracker

        Yup but only because they were exposed helping set up rallies.

        The ACLU has put money over principles I think.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Hitting them with votes is still OK, right? Or in this case, hitting them with many more counterprotesters?

    • Actually I think that’s kinda been a problem too. We haven’t been “hitting them with votes.” I think there is a very romaticized fascination with protests and rallies and “revolutionary” postering. Those, of course, can be effective tactics. And yet….

      I mean look how many came out for the counter-protest in Boston. More than No if asked, the very next day, to vote for canidatss and policies who excuse and enable the very white supremacists they just risked their health to protest , I suspect that half of those people would declare “oh they’re all the same anyway. Pox on both their houses ” and be content to stay home and bask in self-righteousness, ignoring a problem that they were up in arms against just earlier. Likewise, Trump has never been subtle of his courting of Neo-Nazi types (“Stop focusing so much on Identity Politics!”) Indeed if a bit more of those who came out on Protest Day come out on Election Day, the we probably wouldn’t need “Protest Day” quite so much.

  • anon_the_great

    This conversation is loosely based on the largely successful non-violent strategies used to destroy Jim Crow. It worked in large part b/c all involved were Christians of one flavor or another. They had a common ground, they had a common text, and they had an understanding of what it meant to be a Christian. In fact both sides claimed God was on their side. In his heart even Bull Connor knew he was wrong.

    Today our racist nationalists are shallow, hollow, ignorant malcontents who have no commitment to anything beyond bitching in public about their victimhood. When caught and confronted they tearily abandon the movement. They have no roots, no moral underpinning and that is what makes them so dangerous. To them violence is Call of Duty IRL. They know not what they do.

    This is not an argument for punching Nazis, (I did that earlier in this thread) only that we cannot blindly resort to tactics from 60 years ago. For instance equipped non-violence might be useful break from the past.

  • Bemused Australian

    It’s bed time for me. I hope you will be good Wonkers.

    • Nite-nite!

    • BeachBum

      Um, why yes : ) Of course ! Nitey night Downunder !
      *pulls out thesaurus, dictionary, and bottle of…..juice*

    • Raan

      Good night! Don’t let the drop bears bite!

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        Or the poison spiders, or the poison everything else…

        • Raan

          Or the pain bush.

    • proudgrampa

      Do you come from a Land Down Under?

      https://youtu.be/XfR9iY5y94s

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Misheard lyrics. Always heard “where women blow and men plunder.”
        It’s “glow”, people.

        Also, how about ‘chunder’ for the word of the day?

        • proudgrampa

          Good word! Has a certain woody quality. Chunder.

  • Jenny

    The coffee guy is a “pro wrestler” that Alex Jones has hired before. That wasn’t hot coffee either. More stunts for attention.

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      Really?! Well there’s a shocker–the guy really knows how raise a false flag, doesn’t he?

    • kareemachan

      Citation? Cuz somebody identified him on some other thread as a real Seattlite.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        He is from Seattle. But word is- it was staged. Watch Jones’s reaction to that “coffee”, that’s the tell.

        • The Librarian

          Hmmm. I had to go back, yeah, he didn’t react as shocked as any person would be if that happened.

  • BrendaKay

    Right on 5$F! We have to show that we are better than them. Non-violent protest is the best protest!

  • GreenGoldSharpie

    Doxx them, hound them, make fun of them, get them fired, get them disowned, and in general, ruin their lives.

    No need to lay a finger on these sad cuck broflakes. They’re already folding up like a lawn chair.

    • They’re already getting themselves fired, the dumbasses.

      • GreenGoldSharpie

        That’s what happens when the real world intercedes on your internet world.

        Guess what, us “normies” are going to ruin your sad little, hot dog shop working ass for being a repugnant fuckface.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      The original Nazis were also a mostly bunch of losers. Goebbels was a failed playwright who worked as a bank clerk, Himmler was a chicken farmer, and Hitler of course was a failed artist and vagrant.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Huh. I would have expected Goebbels to have had more prior experience with chickenshit.

      • Rachel Book Harlot

        It’s always about blaming someone else for their own shortcomings with these assholes.

      • BeachBum

        Makes sense. If they were halfway successful in the society they wouldn’t need to destroy it.

  • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

    the old antifa would ask them to publicly disown Fascism before punching them. Much like Pizzaro asked the Incans (in Spanish) to convert before.. well…

  • Carpe Vagenda

    So, ‘Republican strategists’ are trying to send the message that anti-nazism is a losing proposition with voters. And what’s interesting about that, for me, is that the Republican strategists didn’t say his racist bullshit helped him with Trump _voters_ – the group they need to hold – they said it helped him with his _base_.

    I’m pretty sure they know that’s not the same thing.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fbdd455fb7c6348aaad433b00d63c2afb77d33bece189936912892748c377afc.jpg

    • BeachBum

      I am not at all surprised. Many people have been Republican since Nixon’s Southern Strategy out of prejudice, bigotry and racism.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Sure. But my point is that they’re trying to play this as an electoral winner for Republicans when it’s clearly pushing away everyone but the yellow dogs (who were probably dixiecrats to begin with). And they can’t win with only yellow dogs.

  • TJ Barke

    “Yeah, they should. Let ’em speak. Let their ideas out there. Their ideas are ridiculous. Their ideas are silly. And they’ll die.”
    This is a kinda dangerous assumption.

    • HazooToo

      That. These ideas don’t really go away. We can shame them underground, but what happens after that’s done and people start thinking white supremacy is “dead” again? It comes back, the same way it just did.

      • But as the “2nd Amendment remedy” folks have already shown, you can’t shoot an idea into smithereens either.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          There is a huge range of options between “let them show how silly they are” and violence.

    • BeachBum

      It will always sound good to some people. There are always people that want something for nothing, or think they are victims, or simply don’t think things thru.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      The idea that some “outside” group is to blame for your own problems will never go out of style.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Could not agree with you more.

  • azeyote

    this country is based on inequality – capitalism, racism, class ism and religion – it’s all to keep the every day worker down and further the profits of the rich –

  • Msgr_MΩment

    What about throwing punch at a Nazi? Is that okay?
    https://media.giphy.com/media/BRXV7nVTKQOti/giphy.gif

    • Swampgas_Man

      Waste of good booze. Unless you’re throwing say, Mad Dog, Ripple or Boone’s Strawberry Hill.

      • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

        Tossing that stuff in the trash is the normal process?

    • Not allowed if Sangria is considered a punch.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    LOL, anybody want to poll a Nazi? I’m surprised that “stupendous” isn’t an option: https://twitter.com/JessicaHuseman/status/899297885916991488

  • chascates

    Figurative punches could be sending money to BLM, ADL, or ACLU. Make your punches count!!!

    • Parakeetist

      Amen.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      I’m giving this month to the SPLC since the government has no interest in tracking these hate groups right now.

      • eyelashviper

        good move,they do the work, day in, day out, always..

      • Zyxomma

        I should have scrolled down.

    • Zyxomma

      SPLC also, too.

  • bbayliss

    Tubas, tubas are the answer.

    “Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.”
    ― Thomas Jefferson

  • Michael R
    • bbayliss

      Growing up a “biff in the snoot” was often threatened but never delivered.

  • Lefty Wright

    The organizers on the left need to explicitly condemn any violence from their side during protests. Loud, even obnoxious verbal protests are OK. But if you read any comments on mainstream media articles, Berkeley consistently pops up as violence and resisting free speech by the left, making the Nazis the oppressed freedom lovers. Wearing masks, helmets, carrying mace and clubs does not look good even if no assaults occur. And coming in equipped like that makes it much more likely to happen when things get tense. So come out with signs and a smile, then scream as loud as you want at the white supremacists. If courts consider dollars free speech, with the ones having the most dollars having the loudest voice, let’s prove that 10,000 or more people out on a Saturday can have a loud voice too. Do not let one person with a club silence that voice by hitting a Nazi. That one person will be who the media shows.

    Look at some of the most iconic photos of peace movements for decades, from the woman putting flowers in the barrels of National Guardsmen’s rifles in Vietnam protests, to the lone, unarmed person at Tianaman Square, to the woman calmly facing police in riot gear during BLM protests. Those win the argument. Although it is tempting to strike out physically against evil, restraint has more impact than a Nazi bleeding from a head wound inflicted by an antifa anarchist.

    None of this means, though, that you cannot use appropriate self defense, or assist others, if attacked.

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      I like how you imagine that the right-wing meme will change, and that it wasn’t Charlottesville and the murder of Heather Heyer by a Nazi that poked the media out of its more comfortable “both sides…” posture.

    • jesterpunk

      The problem with that is they come with people like that stick guy who is “famous” on the right for attacking liberals and other people like him and get away with it. They also have people show up heavily armed and they dont get called out on it. But our side has to be 100% absolutely perfect and cant do anything to offend them or even defend ourselves or it is taken as the left being violent. Even talking to them like what happened in Boston is seen as the left shutting down their frozen peaches. The media is looking for their both sides narrative and will use anything they can find on the left as proof both sides are just as bad. Even ignoring them wont work because then they will report on how successful their rallies where and how everyone agrees with them.

      • Mildred Broxon

        The way to win is to be better than they are. Fortunately this is not difficult.

        • jesterpunk

          It is when the media is pushing the both sides bullshit. There are already some on the right pushing the narrative that anyone protesting the Boston rally are against free speech.

    • eyelashviper

      While I agree that protestors against the fanatic and violent right need to be peaceful, I can understand how Antifa has taken a more strident stance, and wear protection and fight back when attacked. The images from Charlottesville show massive attacks by the right, but the media again does the “bothsidesism” and rarely emhasizes that the vast majority of counter protesters are non-violent.
      In almost all of the right wing websites, they encourage people to bring weapons and to spill blood. This does NOT occur in any of the counter demonstration media outlets and sites.

    • marxalot

      The thing is, those didn’t actually “win the argument.” BLM is still labeled a hate group while “Blue Lives Matter” laws are proposed; the war in Vietnam continued until it was untenable; the PRC continues its own inhumane regime. They’re great optics, but nonviolence only works if your enemy is capable of being shamed, or they understand that your nonviolent action is the vanguard of a movement capable of committing to violence in the face of an existential threat. Everyone talks about Dr King, but they forget about the Black Panther Party. The nonviolent demonstration is a positive good and morally necessary, but power does not make concessions to those in a position of weakness just because they have the moral high ground: it treats with those who offer nonviolence rather than have its own strength tested in open revolt.
      That is not to say that we don’t have a moral obligation to nonviolence, or that it isn’t most effective in intersocial clashes like these (ie, the State is not explicitly on either “side” and the objective is to convince, convert, or silence the opposition); but nonviolence for the sake of nonviolence in the face of an existential threat is a cop-out. When the State takes a side is when the “existential threat” kicks in on the large scale. On the small scale, it’s when the white supremacist goes for you (so yeah, self defense).

      • pussygrabber in chief

        ” but nonviolence for the sake of nonviolence in the face of an existential threat is a cop-out.”

        This. Apparently, a lot of us don’t see the alt-right’s increased activity and aggression as an existential threat. I do, because their apologists and fellow travelers run the government.

  • Reximus

    Gorka’s out, per LA Times…WH nazi staff levels getting critically low

  • Msgr_MΩment
    • bbayliss

      Spam molds?

      • Anna Rompage

        Yeah, but i hear it takes years…

    • eyelashviper

      Spam libelz…

      • Phried Ω

        No such thing.

    • Christopher Story

      Spam has less chemicals in it than Bannon

      • Msgr_MΩment

        I hear Bannon was manufacturing illicit Spam in his ex’s jacuzzi.

        • Phried Ω

          Oxymoron?

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      I don’t think I can get any action with that.

  • eyelashviper

    It’s been a tough week for Notsees, but Bannon is still carrying the banner.

    http://www.suprmchaos.com/bannon_more-time-with-family_082017.jpg

  • Michael R
  • Thank you 5$F, you are preaching the path to a society transcendent of violence.

    As a Buddhist and pacifist and known Nazi puncher, I only do so in self defense, and always will.

    • Me not sure

      In defense of others particularly those who can’t defend themselves also works. I think the defense of the innocent is a moral imperative.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨
    • Augustus

      It is under attack, but we have got your back!

      …NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!!

  • Michael R
    • Mel

      Rick Santorum is what’s wrong with America. I was so happy when we rooted him out of public office here in PA but he just won’t go away. Stop giving him a platform, CNN! He’s the worst.

      • jesterpunk

        I still love that Dan Savage redefined Santorum and his definition comes up before Santorum’s actual website.

    • pussygrabber in chief

      Yeah, the problem isn’t that the house is on fire, it’s that people are talking about the house being on fire.

  • RobKanC

    what if the said nazi is calling for an ideology that already has a history of, I don’t know, exterminating Jews and various other minorities. Would that be ok then?

  • ken_kukec

    “… a racist who screams about the Jewish Mafia …”

    Why drag Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel, Murder, Inc. and the whole Purple Gang into this?

    • anon_the_great

      Jews who killed NAzi spies in America

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Punching mansplainers, however, can apparently be accomplished without (physical) violence.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/goldengateblond/status/899001115810779136

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
  • eyelashviper

    WARNING!
    Prepare the eye and brain bleach

    http://www.suprmchaos.com/lumpy_riding-the-turtle_082017.jpg

    • Steve Cole

      That is awesome. Many statue pedestals are currently available.

    • BosGrl

      OH DEAR GOD WHY

      • eyelashviper

        The newest statue to celebrate someone’s “heritage”…

    • anon_the_great

      Discworld Libez

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      That’s just WRONG! Why would you DO that!?!?

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      hands are too big

      • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

        Dick is too big!

  • Alan

    Actually it did work once about 70 years ago.

  • Great news about America’s Funniest Fascist!

    Warrants issued for N.H. white supremacist

    …Officials from the Virginia Commonwealth Attorney’s Office said Thursday that Cantwell is wanted for illegal use of gases, and injury by caustic agent or explosive. Both are felony charges, officials said.

    https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/897932611930120192

    • eyelashviper

      How I love the tears of a whining, crying, blubbering, asshole, violent Nazi Klown in the morning.
      They have to be stupider than farts to not understand that video is actual evidence.

      • Paul

        Farts libelz

    • jesterpunk

      I am absolutely shocked I tell you that he started off as a MRA.

      • Serai 1

        It’s almost as if a guy’s attitude towards women will give you a hint as to his attitude towards everyone else.

        • jesterpunk

          IKR? He is also a libertarian, who would guess he would be a racist sexist asshole?

          • I’m gonna go with ‘Everyone’, jester.
            What do I win?

        • Augustus

          Trump is a good example of this, in fact

        • marxalot

          Gosh, now you tell me! If only people knew about this One Weird Trick!

      • And now he’s a MRE.

      • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

        Moron Reborn into Asshole?

    • Augustus

      “…and our enemies just will not stop!”

      You’re fucking right we won’t!

  • timpundit

    I am so sick of Kaisch’s ‘moderate’ charade while he also says ‘both sides do it’. That fucker is as dangerous as any of trump’s symps.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      No shit- “everybody is fighting”. No, the NAzis are fighting, your base is fighting, everyone else is reacting to them.

  • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

    Someone on Twitter pointed out recently that racism is basically a diluted form of monarchism, in that priviledge is passed down by birth–but instead of to one family, it’s to one race. It is inherently counter to a proper democracy.

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    Franklin Graham — who didn’t believe Obama was born in America — believes Little Babby Donnie that there were good people on both sides in Charlottesville, rationalizing that Trump has “inside information” as if Obama didn’t have (literal) “inside information” about where he was born.

    Graham went on to say Trump “doesn’t have a racist bone in his body”. Graham thinks the “C” on rental applications meant “Christian”, still thinks the Central Park Five should have (like Jesus) gotten the death penalty; thinks “law and order” is a TV show, not a dog whistle.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      I hate that guy.

    • Bobathonic

      So he’s saying racism is stored in fat?

      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        I guess so. He is a doctor of some kind.

    • Raan

      Of course he doesn’t have a racist bone in his body.

      Slugs don’t have bones.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      So it’s ok to designate that your tenants are Christians? wtf

  • Carpe Vagenda
  • Shanzgood

    If everyone isn’t ready for tomorrow maybe you might catch this guy in your neighborhood.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e0e3224e5b66f4d33fb5b027c6bca01c74590896f30c6b742b4b094200baeca3.jpg

    • Raan

      I wouldn’t trust it. I bet you go to get some free glasses, and then Sessions arrests you for having an interest in science.

    • TJ Barke

      I got some, and it just sort of makes the sun look like an orange.

    • Cock Blockula

      We’re using welding goggles.

      • Shanzgood

        Need to be at least shade 14, from what I read.

    • jaspersdad

      I forget where but I read that if you wear your MAGA hat to stare at the eclipse you don’t need those stupid glasses.

      • Shanzgood

        Man, I about choked on a grape!

    • pussygrabber in chief

      I wonder if they have candy.

  • PigDootsMolloy
  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨
    • TJ Barke

      Oh that’s reassuring…

      • The Librarian

        If these folks are telling the truth and not raising false flags, it is a little bit. Not to say we shouldn’t stay vigilant and call them on bs.

  • georgiaburning

    This is the type of nazi we need to watch for: he’s recruiting on college campuses.
    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/08/19/white-nationalism-on-rise-in-california-as-bay-area-girds-for-rallies-next-weekend/

  • rosenbomb

    I completely agree that punching a Nazi only validates them. That alone is why I would not do it.

    The struggle for us is that our actions have to be beyond reproach, because once someone screws up, the whole movement is painted as violent or unruly, etc. Overall I think we are doing well. (Note: I say ‘we’ and ‘us,’ but I don’t know what to call us in this situation. Rational people? The Left? Progressives? I don’t personally care for Antifa, but I understand if that’s the preferred nomenclature, dude.)

  • Reximus
    • jesterpunk

      They are suddenly surprised that the school is a right wing school that will support any republican?

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      Unless you are looking for a job in some right wing political area, that diploma is worthless anyway.

      • I was going to ask if they had found a better source of kindling

        • Mehmeisterjr

          They could always cut the diplomas into squares and use it for toilet paper.

    • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

      There goes Larry Klayman’s partner track at his law firm.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
    • Parakeetist

      Skwee!!

    • marxalot

      Izza good little Cerberus, oh yes you are, oh yes you are! Wuzza wuzza good Cerberus.

    • timpundit

      I am dead from cute now.

    • HooverVilles

      Thanks!

    • H0mer0

      “I wanna [bite] his head off!”
      “Oh! [bite] your own head off!”
      “Yes–do us all a favor”
      “what?”
      “Yapping on all the time”
      “you’re lucky, you’re not next to him.”
      “What do you mean?”
      You snore!”
      “Ooh, lies! Anyway you’ve got bad breath!”
      “Well only because you don’t brush my teeth…”

  • Mel

    Don’t start no shit won’t be no shit.

    • marxalot

      See also: first-punch doctrine.

  • TJ Barke

    Why do you hate Captain America?

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      Let me tell you about wolves, sheep dogs, and sheep.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Little Red Riding Hood lied…

        • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

          Just pointing out that sheep dogs don’t go hunting down wolves. They lead their pack who just happen to be sheep, and when a wolf messes with the sheep, they will attack a wolf. It’s just in their nature.

          If you go to something looking to attack somebody, then you probably have some wolf in you. If, on the other hand, your nature is to protect the sheep, you may find out you are not the pacifist you imagined yourself to be.

          There’s nothing wrong with being a sheep. It is what it is. It’s the nature of sheep to be sheep. Sheep make poor wolves usually, and they make crappy sheep dogs because their first impulse is to flee.

          • TJ Barke

            Isn’t Rogers from Brooklyn? What does he know about shepherding?

          • marxalot

            Captain America follows the first-punch doctrine. And as a soldier, operates by the rules of engagement, not civil discourse, Which is to say, he volunteered to be a sheepdog, after having seen the wolves.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            My point was that wolves get a bad rap- they are far less likely to attack a human than your average dog (I’m not speaking metaphorically, but as someone who has spent a bunch of time working for wolf reintroduction)

          • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

            umm, dogs are less aggressive wolves that were domesticated by humans.

            You are less likely to come into contact with wolves than dogs. Bad analogy.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            It’s not an analogy, it is fact. Wolves don’t kill people, they avoid them. Dogs OTOH kill people every year.

          • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨
          • Zippy W Pinhead

            now compare that to this and ask if the former justifies wiping the species out to near extinction

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

          • Zyxomma

            I love wolves, and would like to offer this gentle reminder that sheep dogs are their descendants.

    • jesterpunk

      People dont know that the Nazis had a permit and Captain America showed up without a permit. Many people, great people are saying that.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        They did have a thing for organization and paperwork.

        • H0mer0

          Thanks IBM!

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
  • Mildred Broxon

    Just to cheer people up: Here in Albuquerque (a very rich cultural mix) we had the Rio Grande Chile Festival yesterday, held at the National Hispanic Cultural Center. Lotsa people. Lotsa cops, looking bored and eating good food. We decided the white supremacists must have been at the Mac ‘n’ Cheese Festival (a real thing) held at the Balloon Fiesta Museum at the same time. Of course a lot of people from all over the country were at the Indian Market in Santa Fe, the biggest art event of the year. And we all had a good time (maybe even the macaroni fans, though I can’t vouch for it).

  • Vincent Ricola

    Okay. I won’t punch the Nazis. But I can still root for good people who sneak out in the middle of the night to take out confederate statues in states that refuse to remove from government property, though, right?

    • pussygrabber in chief

      No, I don’t thing we’re allowed to do that either. if we sneak out in the night to take down confederate statues, then they’ll start sneaking out in the night to take down the statues of civil rights leaders. No idea what they’d do on the second night.

      • Vincent Ricola

        The civil rights statues will be replaced. Who is going to replace the confederate statues?

  • eyelashviper
    • Mildred Broxon

      Hey, is pissing down Nazi throats assault? Making sure one does not get bitten, of course.

      • Paul

        I checked Black’s Law Dictionary. Proper term is “pissault”.

    • Steely_Fan

      Nobody has ever, nor likely will ever, do gonzo journalism better than HST.

    • Paul

      Unlike most writers of that era, his work is still poignant. I have several of his books, and upon re-reading, I actually appreciate him more. They stand the test of time.

      Either that, or I was so fucking stoned the first time around I simply didn’t appreciate what a true talent he was.

      • eyelashviper

        He was a brilliant writer, but also very knowledgeable and perceptive. And his style was breathtaking..

        • Paul

          I remember the first time I read F&L in Las Vegas. I nearly died laughing at how outrageous everything was. His style was certainly breathtaking, and he was indeed very knowledgeable and perceptive, especially about drugs. At least that was what held my fascination at age 18. (Yes I’m old)

          I bought F&L on the Campaign Trail when it came out too. I remember being disappointed a bit when it wasn’t as wild as F&LLV. I read it again recently and was amazed at his skills and political observations.

          Yeah, I was way too fucked up back then to appreciate the pearls cast before this swine. (Sorry but I had to work in swine in his honor PBUH)

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Damn this is actually very deep
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZIrfBYr8AM

    • Zyxomma

      I’ve heard of The President Show, but this is the first time I’ve seen any of it. That was quite deep, and quite brilliant.

  • La Cieca

    If the coffee had been anywhere above room temperature this might plausibly have been called assault.

  • Mavenmaven

    I know we should condemn all the violence, but it does sort of warm the heart knowing there is an antifascist group that makes the nazis piss themselves.

  • NotALiar

    It’s hard to argue most of these points. I’m torn between the two ideas. I definitely don’t want to martyr them. I also want to stamp out fascists before they can take hold and really hurt and kill more people. I guess thats why i’m personally okay with violence if its for self defense or defending someone else. But If that’s not your thing I totally respect that.

    • marxalot

      An antifa group in C’ville intervened between clergy and Nazis after initially being asked by the clergy to stay clear. They did, pulled back, but then when the Nazis came back for violence and not just shouting, the antifascists moved in and engaged because while they respected the clergy’s desire to stay nonviolent, they have their own commitment to not letting Nazis kill people. And given that many of the people in the nonviolent group were elderly, fatalities were possible. I view this– particularly the initial withdrawal when the threat of violence was low, out of respect for the nonviolent group’s wishes– to be the correct response.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Antifa’s response in C’Ville was the right approach- the problem is their actions in places like Berkeley where they were just as eager to bust heads as the RWNJs.

        • The Librarian

          Agreed. Not a big fan of Berkeley antifa, but good on them for C’ville.

      • NotALiar

        I could not agree more. That is exactly how I feel about the issue.

    • heather g-m

      I haven’t seen anyone saying not to defend yourself or others – in fact it is included in this very article that of course we should. The point those of us that agree with this article are making is not to start the violence. As in don’t hit first.

      • NotALiar

        I was at work and reading fast. I must have missed that part. I read it again!

  • Reximus
    • eyelashviper

      She’s got a big heart, and should be applauded.
      No doubt the asshats she escorted have not a clue as to her generosity and compassion.

    • Wolf Tracker

      That takes a lot of heart and spirit and she should be applauded.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    Sorry for this long response. It’s in a place I can’t link to. Here is what you are asking of others, when you approach the world as a pacifist, or insist on non violence (fro m Walter Wink, Jesus and Nonviolence: A Third Way):

    Some thoughts on nonviolence post-Charlottesville:

    TLDR: White Christians, if you aren’t willing to personally take a bat to the head, shut up about antifa.

    My FB feed, podcast feed, workplace conversations, and church chit chat are circling around Charlottesville, antifa, violence/nonviolence, white folks quoting Dr. King, white supremacy, neo-Nazis…It’s hard to get away from it. There’s part of me that doesn’t want to, that wants to keep refreshing the feed, taking in more, trying to read the next thing and the next thing. Maybe if I keep myself submerged here, what I saw will make sense.

    Since coming back from Charlottesville I have been physically disconnected, emotionally disabled, and spiritually chaotic. I’m told this is normal, and I’m not judging myself for it. (Well, that’s not quite true – impostor syndrome is real, even in times like this. Who am I to be affected by what I saw, heard, and felt, when others “deserve” their reactions so much more authentically?) I wake up and remember what
    happened, and it settles heavily in my chest, pressing on my throat. ButI get up, I go to work, I show up at meetings, get a beer with a friend. My cat is fed and my laundry is put away and yesterday I successfully talked myself out of eating an entire pie, so…yeah, I’d say things are looking up.

    I’m ok. I really am. I’m gonna be able to get back to normal; I have so many resources and so much love surrounding me. Thank you to everyone who’s reached out, given me a massage, let me talk at them, prayed with and for me, given me a ride, sent their love, and sat in quiet to keep me company.

    One disquieting aspect of this experience has been how I think about pacifism and nonviolence. I’ve always considered myself a pacifist, though I recognized that it was an untested, hypothetical kind of pacifism. Weak sauce, really. In Charlottesville, my “nonviolent” stance was met with heavily armed men. They came with bats, clubs, plywood shields painted with swastikas, brass knuckles, tear gas canisters, and wooden sticks. Not to mention the guns. The heavily armed militia were everywhere. They liked that they made you feel nervous. It was fun for them.

    They came to hurt people, and they did.

    Let me take a moment to be clear – I do not advocate for violence. I trust, however pig-headedly, that all of creation – including all people – is both capable and worthy of salvation. That there is no such thing as a lost cause with God. I cannot explain this trust; it is a part of me deeper than rational faculty. To commit violence against another human being is to commit violence against the image of God in them. To me, it is a sin. I do not believe God requires us to sin. But it seems apparent to me that the world sometimes does.

    I never felt safer than when I was near antifa. They came to defend people, to put their bodies between these armed white supremacists and those of us who could not or would not fight. They protected a lot of people that day, including groups of clergy. My safety (and safety is relative in these situations) was dependent upon their willingness to commit violence. In effect, I outsourced the sin of my violence to them. I asked them to get their hands dirty so I could keep mine clean. Do you understand? They took that up for me, for the clergy they shielded, for those of us in danger. We cannot claim to be pacifists or nonviolent when our safety requires another to commit violence, and we ask for that safety.

    And so I come to this – white liberal Christian friends, I’m talking to you. I’veseen a lot of condemnation of “violent response,” lots of selective quoting Dr. King, lots of disparagement of antifa and the so-called “alt-left,” a moral equivalency from the depths of Hell if I ever saw one. You want to be nonviolent? That is good and noble. I think…I think I do, too. But I want you to understand what you’re asking of the people who take this necessary stance against white supremacy, the people who go to look evil in the face. You’re asking them to be beaten with brass knuckles, with bats, with fists. To be pounded into the ground, stomped on, and smashed. You’re asking them to bleed on the pavement and the grass. Some of them are going to die. And you’re asking them to do that without defending themselves.

    Are you willing to do that? Are you going to to go out when the Nazis come here, to the Bay Area, next week? Are you going to offer your body to them? No? Are you willing to take a bat to the head? To be surrounded by angry young men who want nothing more than to beat you unconscious, like they did Deandre Harris? Are you going to rely upon a different type of violence -that imposed by the state – to protect you – even knowing it is a danger to your neighbors? To outsource the violence your safety requires to someone else? Or are you just not going to show up, at the rally or afterward? To choose passivity over pacifism – because let’s be clear, nonviolence is still about showing up.

    If you are unwilling to risk your bodily integrity to stand against literal Nazis, but you are willing to criticize the people out there who are taking this grave threat seriously but not in a way of which you approve….I just don’t know what to say to you. Truly. Your moral authority is bankrupt and you’re not helping. You’re a hypocrite.

    Everyone wants to feel safe. You are not safe. Your Muslim neighbors are not safe. Your immigrant neighbors are not safe. Your black neighbors are not safe. Your disabled neighbors are not safe. Your indigenous neighbors are not safe. Your Jewish neighbors are not safe. Your transgender neighbors are not safe. If you feel safe now, it’s an illusion born of your relationship to power. But make no mistake – you may not be the canary, but we’re all in the same coal mine. These people have been “community organizing” for DECADES. They are basebuilding and they have the White House. They have infiltrated law enforcement. They are in every legislative body and on every school board. You are not safe.

    How can the sleeping white church, of which I am a part, mobilize the church militant? How can we spiritually prepare and discipline the followers of Christ to put their bodies on the line? It’s an earnest question; I don’t know the answer. We don’t have a lot of time to equivocate, though. It’s time to move.

    “The issue is not, “What must I do in order to secure my salvation?” but rather, “What does God require of me in response to the needs of others?” It is not, “How can I be virtuous?” But, “How can I participate in the struggle of the oppressed for a more just world?” Otherwise our nonviolence is premised on the self-justifying attempts to establish our own purity in the eyes of God, others, and ourselves, and that is nothing less than a satanic temptation to die with clean hands and a dirty heart.”

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      Thank you for sharing. I have thought about this myself and this might be the Yin and Yang thing. If you are not ok with using violence then don’t but accept the ones that do see it as appropriate. respect each other’s way of achieving it even if your ways to achieve the same thing are different realize you fight the same fight.

      Maybe this time the violent side saved your skin. The next time it might be the other way around.

      It is ok to denounce one’s strategy while at the same time acknowledge you fight the same fight and that sometimes the Yin has to do the work for the yang and vice versa.

      We all have dark and light inside of us. Sometimes one’s darkness is to save one’s light.

      And only on our final day will we be judged if we found the right balance.

      • willi0000000

        the complete non-violence espoused by many who cite what Ghandi did is only possible when you can mobilize enough of the population to take that rifle butt to the head and “clog the jails.”

        . . . and when your enemy is the British . . . who, for all their colonialist faults, are basically a civilized society and capable of shame.

        the Hitlers of the world will just gas some more of you and not think twice about it.

        [ personally, i consider Ghandi to be scarier than almost anybody . . . he could persuade people by the thousands to just stand there and let themselves be hit or even killed ]

        • Robbertjan Brandenburg

          Well that is interesting. Even though Ghandi promoted non-violence many of his followers thought otherwise and this is what secured independence for India. England has granted the victory to Ghandi to save face but without the violence there would not have been a victory.

    • Red Bird

      This! Tina Fey and her stupid cake. The white supremacists have no problem with unprovoked violence against people they dislike. We can all stay home and keep our beliefs to ourselves thinking we made a point about non-violence. They will call it a victory because they succeeded in intimidating us.

      • heather g-m

        Why are those the only 2 choices? We can get out on the street and in their face and mock their evil ideas with out instigating violence. If they instigate violence we wholeheartedly defend ourselves and those around us. If we have people of color or disability or whatever that are their targets we put our white able bodies between the nazis and their intended victims. We fight back. We come prepared. But if we start the violence and support “getting them first” the whole world will be a bloodbath in the end and regardless of who ends up on top to many good people lose. Research is clear from folks that study how fascism arises and how it has been successfully stopped that nonviolence not only works but brings about the end of the fascists more quickly.

        • Red Bird

          You’re right. There are more options. I just don’t want people to back-off. The slightest sign of us giving up will be taken advantage of. And sometimes people interpret being peaceful as staying out of the fight all together.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      And I might want to add the text tattooed on my body:

      “Be merciful. Just as your father is merciful. Do not judge and you will not be judged. Do not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven. Give and it will be given to you. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.”

    • Ms.MLG on Maui

      This is the best post I have read in a while. Absolutely beautiful, true and deeply thoughtful.

  • Wolf Tracker

    Falwell Jr. defends Trump’s response to Charlottesville

    Jerry Falwell Jr. is defending President Trump’s response to the violence that erupted at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va., last weekend.

    “The only groups he identified by name and causing what happened in Charlottesville were the Nazis, the KKK and the white supremacists,” Falwell said on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday. “That’s what I thought was bold and truthful.”

    Trump first asserted that “many sides” were to blame for the violence in Charlottesville, where white nationalists and neo-Nazis clashed with counterprotesters during a rally protesting the removal of a Confederate statue. Heather Heyer, a 32-year-old legal assistant, was killed when police say a 20-year-old Nazi sympathizer drove his car through a group of counterprotesters.

    Under pressure from Republicans and several advisers, the president made a second statement condemning the hate groups by name at the White House two days later. But on Tuesday, a defiant Trump defended his initial statement blaming both the neo-Nazis and counterprotesters for the violence.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/falwell-jr-defends-trumps-response-charlottesville-155621924.html

    • A Groucho Marxist

      The Falwell apples do not fall far from the Falwell trees, it seems. May the Falwell grift be forever fruitful, right junior?

    • notaten

      I was watching this, but I had to change the channel to watch Mr Ed. Better dialogue, and much more plausible.

  • sosuume

    The “Tuba Troll” accompanying assholes to a Klan rally.
    https://youtu.be/Rs4P1kKK-5k

  • ziggywiggy

    I look at it like why feed the trolls, that’s what they are, lame ass basement dwelling trolls and you elevate them by fighting them. It takes more guts to NOT HIT A nazi, than to take that easy punch.(that doesn’t mean don’t fight back or protect yourself)

  • Red Bird

    Deep thoughts today. I’m curious how many people who openly stand up for the free speech of white supremacist will also stand up for the free speech of civil rights protesters. I’m cautious about equating the two groups. But for the sake of argument, would your Mr. Awesome in the video also help a BLM protester make it to their protest? And I’m also wondering, how does he feel about Colin Kapernik?

    • ziggywiggy

      I’d say yes. But the thing is that’s not necessary when you got 1,000s vs 15, so kind of a strawman argument.

      • Red Bird

        Maybe it is. I’m just cynical. I mean how do you get millions of women to march against Trump but two months prior have 53% of them vote for him. Someone is “double dipping” their politics so they can get the best of both worlds.

        • ziggywiggy

          Yep I cannot understand that at all, trump love is nothing but a huge cult. They bow before their leader and he can do no wrong. It’s scary when you look up the definition of a cult leader and trump fits 99.9% of the description.

        • Zyxomma

          Yeah, if those voting totals (for white women) are accurate, which I’m doubting more every day.

  • Zippy W Pinhead
    • Zyxomma

      Yes.

  • Reximus
    • jesterpunk

      So Democrats are to blame for the statues but its republicans who want to keep them up and are making it illegal to remove them?

      • Reximus

        It’s what Jebus would want

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      OK, let’s make the Republicans eat that they are all a bunch of uneducated fools. Win-win!

    • clairence

      Republicans are compliant enough to go along with that.

    • Phried Ω

      Huckster, if I accept your premise then you accept their decision to get rid of them.

  • lljktechnogeek

    Counter-counterpoint: punch nazis BECAUSE THEY’RE MOTHERFUCKING NAZIS.

  • Daniel Hooper

    I’m of two minds on this. On the one hand, yes, punching people is ultimately wrong if they’re protesting peacefully, even if said ideas they’re spouting are wrong and evil. On the other hand, I get blamed by customers all day for problems that are purely of their own making. It may be wrong to punch someone in the face, but if they’re already screaming about how they’re victims and won’t shut up about their terrible ideas, I can understand the temptation to crack them in the jaw and at least get the satisfaction of actually doing the thing they’re whining about being victims of.
    Also, AJ getting coffee in the face is hardly the worst thing that could get thrown at him. It could’ve been a mix of his own crappy supplements instead; that might mutate a person. Then again, no one’s accused AJ of being human…

  • (((fka_donnie_d)))

    A) Purpose of punching Nazis is not to change their minds, purpose of punching Nazis is to make them GTFO. Our definitions of “work” are different. In WWII it “worked” just fine.

    B) Punching (and macing) Nazis with guns is absolutely OK, as long as you’re willing to accept the consequences.

  • andyshelt

    “And Most Importantly, Please Don’t Punch Nazis because: It’s Just Wrong!”

    Well, I hate to disagree with Wonkette but……………

    I have to say, that while I broadly agree that “not punching Nazis” is the best strategic approach to deal with a very small minority of dickheads in a society still governed by democratic norms this is purely a tactical approach and it depends on the nature of the provocation being planned by the Nazis.

    Case in point. In 1936 the British Union of Fascists attempted a provocative anti-semitic march through an area of the East End of London with a large Jewish population.

    Not only did the BUF blackshirts have a “permit” for the march (Donnie would have been proud of them!) they also had the protection of the Metropolitan Police who attempted to clear the way for the march.

    Under the banner “They shall not pass”, an estimated 20,000 anti-fascist demonstrators turned out and fought back with sticks, rocks, chair legs and other
    improvised weapons. Rubbish, rotten vegetables and the contents of chamber pots
    were thrown at the police by women in houses along the street. After a series of running battles, Mosley agreed to abandon the march.

    And, in my view, the demonstrators were perfectly justified in using violence to prevent the fascists marching through their community.

    Non-violence is ok most of the time and probably the best approach but genuine evil needs to be countered by whatever means are necessary in certain circumstances.

    Gandhi is a great role model but, let’s face it, he would have ended up in the ovens if he had been leading the resistance to Hitler so let’s be a a little bit more flexible on the whole “punching Nazis is wrong” question.

    As the great George Orwell said:
    “We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us.”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/187dc90a5b1a783e223290e25119bde38b30c5ea4dfe20923894b900a323146b.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

    • willi0000000

      of course, Sir Pterry came along in the dead of night and stole the whole idea of Cable Street and made it his very own.

      [ . . . and funnier ]

      • andyshelt

        And also let’s not forget PG Wodehouse (despite his own, ahem, less than heroic actions during WWII) who created his own version of Oswald Mosely in the character of Sir Roderick Spode, leader of the Black Shorts!

  • Bitter Scribe

    I agree with everything 5DF says here and would go a step farther: They want to be punched and turned into martyrs. It’s the only remotely positive outcome (from their perspective) that their “rallies” and “protests” could have. Confrontation is their mother’s milk. Why else would those punks have gone to Skokie, Ill., which at the time was home to many Nazi camp survivors? It’s not like anyone would have seen them and thought, “Why, yes, they were right to throw me in Buchenwald.”

    • clairence

      I don’t think it’s about martyrdom. I think it’s just being able to say they ‘got into it’ at a rally.

  • rosenbomb

    OT:

    who put the NASTY in dynasty??? @asleepinthemuseum A post shared by asleepinthemuseum (@asleepinthemuseum) on Aug 18, 2017 at 7:02pm PDT

  • Khavrinen

    “We don’t hit people just because they are assholes with terrible ideas! You learned this in kindergarten, and it’s still true.

    Too many people didn’t learn the important lessons in kindergarten:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf5_44nty3M

  • Moebym of the Returners

    There have been and will continue to be times when I feel that it’s patently unfair for us to have to remain peaceful and nonviolent while the Nazis get a pass for nearly everything, including deliberately provoking us into violence, and then still get part of the blame for the violence because false equivalence.

    But then think about it – the only shame the Nazis will ever feel is at getting caught or outed, not for their actions or their beliefs. Anything we do to them, like throw coffee on them, punch them, or even protect them from other protesters, is seen as an attempt to silence their “truth”, or pity them. It will only strengthen their conviction.

    Like with a contagious disease, all we can do is prevent the spread of the contagion and quarantine what’s already out there. We must find ways to stop any more people, but especially young people – from joining the nascent American Nazi movement, and keep existing members from gaining influence where it counts. (Hard to do in the age of the Internet, I know.) Not sure what it’s going to take, but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

    • Moni

      The SPLC has a pretty good campus guide on how to deal with alt-righters it basically boils down to asking the group inviting them if they’re aware of what they stand for (with concrete examples) if they still invite them you hold a counter event somewhere else. It counters their ideas while at the same time not dignifying them with a confrontation.

  • unmasked mumbler

    I’m a pacifist, but I also believe in self-defense. Going on the offensive would be counter-productive and illegal, but we need to PREPARE to defend ourselves in case this Nazi thing becomes a full-on revolution.

    You might laugh at their numbers now, but read up on past revolutions and you will see that all of them started from such small numbers. If the neo-Nazis ever get confident enough to start rounding up white people and saying “join us or die”, how do you think most of them would respond? The majority of white people might say they are for equality, but will they follow through on it when their own lives are on the line? I’m starting to doubt that.

    Prepare for self-defense by going to shooting ranges and studying basic combat tactics, before it’s too late. We know from Charlottesville that the police can not be relied on. Don’t put your faith in the National Guard, either.

    • darnyoudarnyoutoheck

      The whole point of Pacifism to not fight back (physically). I have Pacifist friends who I admire greatly. I’m not a Pacifist and you ain’t one neither.

  • susan_g

    Martyrs are people who have died for their beliefs. Getting your ass kicked does not make anyone a martyr. Putting aside that point, who, besides other nazis, would feel sympathy for nazis who promote violence and wind up getting beaten?

    • The Librarian

      I agree that Nazis having “war wounds” makes them heroes to other Nazis. Cantwell won’t be one of these because of his infamous crying video. I’d like to see more videos like that of these goons backtracking.

    • heather g-m

      “who, besides other nazis, would feel sympathy for nazis who promote violence and wind up getting beaten?”

      messed up young white men with violent tendencies and a victim mentality – the very people they are trying to recruit. Being attacked physically is a great recruiting tool from them – we know this from history and research in how to counter fascists most effectively. It might feel good but it doesn’t help the cause to punch nazis. Now intense mockery? That makes it hard for them to recruit or keep up morale. Let’s try that first. And of COURSE defending ourselves against nazis is always the right idea

      • Steely_Fan

        > we know this from history and research…
        And romcoms. Think Hugh Grant getting punched out by Colin Firth in Bridget Jones. Renee Zellweger immediately goes over to Hugh Grant’s side, even though he’s the prick who stole Colin Firth’s wife and cheated on Bridget. Thank Dog everything gets sorted in the end. ;-)

        • H0mer0

          which one grabbed her ass in the elevator again?

  • Anna Rompage

    I will say this… watching the political landscape over the last few years, with the rise of the alt right white nationalists, it’s clear they have run a pretty effective indoctrination campaign on their part.

    They started out easy, casting the govt, and illegal immigrants as the bogeymen, then moved on to including all liberals, feminists, BLM, and have now jumped the shark by including Jews & racial purity into their larger, more public message.

    They are taking the slow road, and this is one of the most dangerous forms of indoctrination. It’s easy to hook people by say the govt is bad, and we need to drain the swamp. Once you are hooked into the group think, it’s even easier to get you to side with their views that life is memiserable and unfair because all these other people have a leg up on you, that they are persecuting your beliefs, and that your misery won’t go away until all the causes presented to you are gone.

    I’ve seen quite a few of the alt right, who marched fri night in VA, while chanting neonazi slogans that essentially & slyly call for the extermination of Jews, and everyone else they disagree with.

    During the campaign, Brietbart, the clearing house for alt right propaganda was getting a visitor rate of close to 10% of the country.

    The fact their message has reached so many, should be quite chilling to us all

    • Red Bird

      It is scary. Too many white Americans have ignored the threat they pose because they aren’t the intended targets of the group’s hatred.

  • Andrew Sayre

    Doxxing them is far more effective. These internet tough guys like to hide behind their screen and spout their nonsense because they can remain anonymous. Shine the light of day and they all run for cover. Let the people around them know what they think and they cower.

    • ziggywiggy

      What are they going to do when they lose their jobs, go on welfare and foodstamps?(LOL)… that would be perfect.

      • Persistent Demme

        They are already on unemployment.

      • Complain about “welfare queens” if history is any indication.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    Maybe people could learn from cats. When my younger, Nazi cat Lucy bothers my tolerant, older cat Isabelle, Isabelle arches her back, fluffs out her fur, puts her ears back, raises one paw in the air and hisses, and Lucy immediately rolls over on her back and indicates pitiful submission. No blows are actually exchanged. It happens every time. You’d think Lucy would have figured out how it works, but she never has.

    • ziggywiggy

      Bring spray bottles with you and when the nazis get out of line squirt them in the face with water, it works with my kitty Harry who likes to bully my older girl. It’s gotten so I don’t even have to squirt him, he sees the bottle and stops, kind of pavlovian, think that would work with nazis?

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Oh yes, that would work with Nazis. But make sure they are not dressed like the Wicked Witch of the West, or there could be trouble.

        • Old town Urbandale

          Do we have to put water in the spray bottles?

          • ziggywiggy

            I’m thinking permanent dye, pink would be a good color choice.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            How about green, like their beloved little Pepe?

          • Angela Ruzzo

            It must be double-charcoal-filtered 100% pure spring water, otherwise it might be an ecological crime. Lourdes water would also work.

        • Paganish

          Witches melt in your mouth, not in the rain. ;)

      • Persistent Demme

        That works on my dogs!
        People ask me what’s in the bottle, cause they react like it’s acid or something, but it’s just water.

        (Of course, they are little terrier guys.
        I suspect that a breed like a lab or golden would do naughty things DELIBERATELY, just to get water sprayed in their faces.)

  • Joshua Norton

    Sure. Because everyone knows all you need to bring down Nazi’s is “Roberts Rules of Order”.

    • willi0000000

      well . . . that, yes

      [ . . . and garlic . . . and stakes ]

  • Moni

    I agree, if anything circulating their images is better (doxxing carries the risk of misidentification). That way they’ll be more recognizable to their neighbors, their families, their coworkers etc.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    Please don’t tell my mother, but I did once punch an asshole with terrible ideas on the playground in 4th grade. I had the advantage of having grown up with an older brother who was always trying to kill me, so I learned how to defend myself early in life. Asshole and I then became good friends, believe it or not. However, I cannot recommend this method to adults, because they have farther to fall before they hit the ground, and they might not have health insurance, and they rarely send 9-yr-olds to prison for assault. Also, there was no social media or continuous-looping video in 1965.

  • Roni Raven, Undercovfefe Agent

    HI y’all.
    Oh no, not this asshole again. Gofundme shut him down once but he’s baaaaaack.

    Punch him with reports to gofundme.

    https://www.gofundme.com/4aqa7ug

    • Angela Ruzzo

      I just tried to do that. GoFundMe made me click on 14 sequential “I am not a robot please click on the images below with road signs” thingies before they would accept my comment, and none of them were difficult. I mean, I know a road sign from a tree. I’ve never had to do that 14 times, how bizarre.

    • JustDon’tSayDignity

      Just now tried to go there, and GFM said “campaign not found.” So that’s good.
      Who was it?

      • Roni Raven, Undercovfefe Agent

        The Confederate lone re-enactor.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    I’ll have to go with Hemingway on this:

    “So far, about morals, I know only that what is moral is what you feel good after and what is immoral is what you feel bad after.”

    ― Ernest Hemingway, Death in the Afternoon

    Would I feel good afterwards if I punched someone without direct provocation, even if he were an Nazi asshole? Answer: I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t, even if it was emotionally satisfying when I was in the moment. Would I feel good afterwards if I did something like what Mr. Awesome in the above video did? Answer: Yes, I would. Because I would have shown that I was a better person than them. I think we all know what would have happened to three blacks wanting to join a BLM protest on that bandstand if the numbers had been reversed.

    I feel good watching that video. I think most of us do. I feel like that is what it means, and what it takes, to be a decent human being in a functioning society. Now imagine for a moment that Mr. Awesome and his friends had set upon those three misguided souls and beaten the shit out of them. Imagine that he had described to the interviewer, in gruesome detail, how good it had felt to beat them, kick them and stomp them into insensibility. Would any of us feel good about hearing that – or would we feel ashamed?

  • Brent

    I thought pouring hot coffee on someone was battery, an intentional tort–not assault

    • BearLeft

      It’s both, Brent. Assault is creating apprehension of an immediate battery. They’re both intentional torts (and crimes as well). About the only way to commit a battery without also committing assault is to hit someone from behind or while they’re asleep.

      • Brent

        Right on! I’ll consider this my black letter law lesson for the day, as I start skewel tomorrow (1L)

        • BillEGoatSmirk

          Yikes. Good luck!! For future reference, make sure you use some of your electives on subjects that will show up on the bar exam. “Nuclear Regulatory Law in the People’s Republic of China” might sound like fun, but it’s not likely to be a hot topic on your state’s essay portion!

        • BearLeft

          Kewel, Brent. I started first year 38 years ago. Hope you enjoy it.

      • Frank Underboob

        This being why people who hit someone are generally charged with assault & battery.

    • Persistent Demme

      But was it hot?

    • sarafina

      As I recall, assault was the threat, battery the act.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    You have to be ready to defend yoursrlf against these bums. Agree, the first punch should be theirs. But be ready to strike back.

    • capnkrunch

      I disagree. If you show up ready to fight you’re helping to create an atmosphere where violence is more likely. Don’t be a self-fulfilling prophecy. And for godsake don’t show up armed.

      • pussygrabber in chief

        If we can’t show up ready to defend ourselves can we at least show up *imagining* how we’d like to defend ourselves? Or would that be too provocative?

        • WIDTAP

          You can show up with a sheet cake with the American flag in icing on it

          • Steely_Fan

            And eat it right in front of them. Don’t even give them a taste.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        When I used to go to these sorts of events years ago, I was keenly aware that violence was possible. I sometimes had pepper spray. Some people do get hyped up and try to provoke the fight. That was not me, but either way, that potential is there and it is foolish not to be ready.

      • Steely_Fan

        Yep. Gandhi beat the British. MLK and the Freedom Marchers made significant progress against Jim Crow and the KKK, though Dog knows we still have a loooooong way to go on that front. Bottom line, we have to be better than they are. Hillz said that a man you can provoke with a tweet shouldn’t be prednisent. I think if you can be provoked by a rant, or a flag, or a racist asshole spouting stupid shit you’re doing it rong.

    • ryp

      I always took the first punch, but mainly because I have slow reflexes. I usually took the second one too, until I got in close enough to put them in a headlock.

  • Righteous Action Jack

    The golden rule is to NEVER throw the first punch, no matter what. That’s just how I was raised. Have I failed at that? Yes I have. Have I given up on it? No, I have not.

    • Grumpy Old Man

      I have had people try to hit me – they mostly fail, the 2 times I have been hit in the face scared the shit out of them because I did not fall down or flee. I only had to hit one of them – the other ran. When I was 6 years old my brother and I started to chew 5 sticks of gum at a time. He was jr. Golden Gloves and told me it would make me unbeatable – damned if I know that helped but it is a good story.

    • HarpyLibtart

      My daddy taught me to punch and then told me he NEVER wanted to hear about me starting a fight, but if I had to fight, I better kick their asses.
      This policy has served me well, I feel it works with Nazis too.

  • Résistance Land Shark Ω
    • Persistent Demme

      Ha, ha!
      (When Mr. Demme would stand in front of the TV, my brother called it a “Video Eclipse.”)

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    LifeHacking Tip #107: How to transform Swastika graffiti into something more useful.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHipxDVXcAAawE0.jpg

  • pussygrabber in chief

    Maybe alt-right ideas will die in the sunlight, maybe they’ll flourish as they reach a wider audience of racist fucks who will be emboldened to go public, given the government’s approval of their message.

    Also too, it doesn’t matter if anyone punches a Nazi or not, they will depict themselves as martyrs, regardless. Remember, they were the real victims in C’ville. All those horrible counter protesters terrorized them, causing Heather Heyer to be murdered, and now mean people want to blame peaceful racists for her death. It’s so unfair.

    Anyway, I’ll probably never throw the first punch at a Nazi, so good for me and my moral superiority, I guess. I hope I can take some solace in that when the republic is overrun and Nazis are running the country.

    • Frank Underboob

      ^^^ THIS ^^^

  • BMW
    • phoenix00

      Now add Boston and Vancouver

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    PS. Trump just disbanded the Advisory Panel on Climate Change, and last week he signed an executive order abolishing the requirement that projects receiving federal funding incorporate sea level changes into their assessments if they involved building on a flood plain.

    This is fine.

  • spangled

    I’ve recently been obsessed with the idea of a vigilante who doesn’t punch or doxx Nazis, but does print out their internet comments and web history and sends them to their mothers/grandmothers/bosses.

    We have to hold each other accountable at every level – when we don’t at home, these horrible beliefs can fluorish.

    • BoatOfVelociraptors

      I think that doxxing to grandparents only is acceptable. They already know the child, and might actually appreciate getting a call from them.

  • bluicebank

    Speaking of being nice to white supremacists:

    Top Democrat on House intel panel: Trump is worrisome, but it’s premature to consider his removal

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/08/20/schiff-questions-trumps-capability-says-issue-could-get-worse-with-time/?utm_term=.c0dd7c2ef5f3

    Schiff says that because Trump “seems” unfit and thus should be removed under the 25th or, gasp, impeached, “I think for that reason at a minimum, we need the very best people around him in the White House.”

    THIS is why we can’t have nice things.

    • Incoming Ham

      So he is advocating replacing the entire White House Cabinet?

      • JustDon’tSayDignity

        I could get behind that idea.

      • Les Appentis De la résistance

        Ok.

    • tza

      Translation: wait til Muller’s got him cause we don’t want to jump the gun.

      • BillEGoatSmirk

        Yup. Because Schiff already knows more than most of Congress, and naturally, the public. And it’s bad. So he’s figuring that Mueller’s got the grand prize waiting for little Donnie behind door number one.

      • Kgprophet

        Mueller is getting all his ducks in a nice organized row. It’s best for Mueller to take him down methodically and with enough evidence to back it up.

  • Jgb979

    Agreed 80%

    We can’t be scared of their ideas, no matter how repugnant they are. After all, it’s largely just Republican politics with the…..metaphorical….sheets pulled off. Drowning out their ideas in the public space with love and tolerance only shows how stupid and fundamentally sad they are.

    But Dick Spencer can always get punched if there’s a clear camera view.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Right now on dutch tv we have a program called “summerguests”. it’s a three hour interview where the guest gets the chance to talk about his views on his profession and things that interest him and show clips of films and shows to tell his tale. Tonight’s guest is a biologist specialized in primate’s behaviour. Right now he is talking about the presidential debates comparing Trump’s behaviour towards Clinton to the hierarchy within chimpansees trying to be the Alpha male. Even though he concurs she won, the lack of female support for Hillary made the Aplha males decide to run with Trump. Really interesting analysis.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      I always compared baby bush, and his cultists, to chimpanzees for the simian like shrieking and behavior. (propensity for war etc.)
      Sadly I am almost nostalgic for his idiocy.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Good thing is that his take on Trump remaining his presidency is slim because he can’t keep the alpha males in check.

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          Confession, in 2002 I took my Canadian husband and moved to his home country, that is how much I loathed bush. Now I have some weird tolerance for him.

    • Frans de Waal? If so, he’s a hero of mine, and a gentleman.

    • bud11

      The alpha male interpretation of behaviour has been debunked.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Come again?

  • YayConspiracy

    Turn the other cheek, and another cheek and go ‘trump’ loudly.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    DailyStormer homeless again in less than 20 hours.

    https://twitter.com/Namecheap/status/899140330582355968

    • tza

      I love how many people commenting on that don’t know how free speech works.

      • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

        That’s what they get for allowing comments.

        • JustDon’tSayDignity

          Good thing they’re not allowed here!

  • Riley Whodat Venable

    Punch Nazis. Not random white people, even if they are marching with the alt-right. Not Klansmen, they feds will eventually get them. But anyone in Nazi regalia giving a Nazi salute to a Nazi flag is fair game. Desus Nice said it best:

    https://www.viceland.com/en_us/video/nazi-punching-teacher/5996198d7b705ef3544462f2?=1

  • folderol

    Pinch a Nazi! Pinch them on their chubby little fascist cheeks! Then give them a wollypop.

  • Beezelbubbles

    If we can’t punch them, this is the next step…what then?

    https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-26-2015/6hwe_o.gif

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      What a bitch.

  • SadDemInTex

    Now that I’ve remembered you can actually buy animal pee (this is available to keep bunnies and deer out of your yard) I think it would be delightful to douse these guys in fox urine or cat urine. It would be awesome.

    • VirginiaWackelpudding

      Doe in Heat concentrate works well in the Autumn. A famous old Virginia hunting prank.

    • pussygrabber in chief

      I’m surprised the military hasn’t already weaponized the urine of unneutered male cats.

    • HarpyLibtart

      Super soaker fight, y’all. :)

      • SadDemInTex

        The site is predatorpee.com

  • Rocky E

    So true. Thank you Robin!
    Punching a Nazi always seems like a good idea at the time, not unlike the last Tequila shot you shouldn’t be drinking.
    Unfortunately, both come with a “wicked” hangover.

  • SpudRaider

    I have an idea to cure two vexing problems.of what to do with our White Nationalist buddies and those poor orphaned bouncing Russian Babies. Let’s just trade straight up with the Russians. We’ll send one white nationalist for every bouncing baby.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨
  • unclejeems

    I’ve always thought that laughter is the best antidote. Much of the fascist dogma is simply hilarious to those of us who aren’t true believers; and the people who disseminate that dogma are, for the most part, pathetic human beings. Hundreds of people pointing and laughing at these morons is, in my view, the best way to wither them on the vine.

  • Pookabun

    Nazis wiped out huge swathes of my family and my husband’s family and so many other families. I am not going to punch anyone because I am tiny and old and don’t know how but if you can, I think go on ahead. Nazis are way beyond just being assholes with terrible ideas. I have actually soul searched on it and come to the conclusion that maybe it is just wrong but I can’t care.

    • Zyxomma

      I mourn for both your families. My also-mother (next-door neighbor in my first home in Brooklyn) escaped from a concentration camp in Poland. Her husband survived a different one, and he didn’t know he had a Jewish grandmother until the Nazis showed up to take him and his family away. Each of them was the only survivor in their families; their two sons are alive and well.

      One of my nearest and dearest friends is Rom (from Transylvania); she and her family survived the camps and made it to Brooklyn. She has Trumpists in her own family, which is totally fucking ridiculous. I’m glad her parents did not live to see that.

      My own family survived/escaped from the Pogroms. My rabbi is the daughter of Holocaust survivors. I’m a tiny martial artist, and the Nazi scum can kiss my ass (but only through my clothes; I don’t want to catch their cooties).

      • Pookabun

        Thanks for sharing that :) Also good for you, I keep meaning to take martial arts classes!

        • Zyxomma

          I have no idea how old you are, but internal Chinese martial arts are the best. Tai Chi Chuan is a yin form; the force that hits your attacker is whatever he threw at you. Pa Kua Chang constantly changes from yin to yang, and is practiced walking in a circle. A master can fend off eight attackers at once. Hsing Yi Chuan is a yang form, and it’s what I studied least, because being female it was not only the most difficult, but the least practical for me.

          Qigong is “energy exercise.” It cultivates internal energy. In the studio where I studied, however, even when that’s all we were doing, we always got around to the martial applications, because we were Kung Fu Hippies from the Lower East Side.

          • Pookabun

            YAY another New Yorker! I’m 52 btw. I’m an ex-ballet dancer and I work out a lot, probably something like you describe should be possible to some extent. I’ll look into it!

          • Zyxomma

            This is where I studied: http://www.wutangpca.com They’re no longer in the East Village, but it’s a great, supportive, reasonably priced place, with excellent teachers. I’m 63, and still in great shape.

          • Pookabun

            Awesome, thanks so much!

  • andyshelt

    OK……but what if it’s just a tiny “wafer thin mint” of a one inch punch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC6vRJsBZEg

  • Nazi punching is deeply embedded in the culture of America, and one of the core reasons we won that war.

    Dismantling it now, will put our national security at risk.

    • Les Appentis De la résistance

      The Soviets won the war. We showed up at the end so we could take credit.

      • Sakonyachen

        What kind of commie are you?

        I ask because I’m wondering if we are the same kind.

  • “Nobody ever punched a bad idea into submission. ”

    Counter-counter-point: D-Day. Stalingrad.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      We’re going up against cheetoh-stained yahoos, not the German 6th Army.

      • pussygrabber in chief

        What did the Nazis start out as?

        • Saxo the Grammarian

          I really can’t remember. A juggling act?

      • Yes, exactly. Which is why PUNCHES are appropriate, not live ammunition.

        • Keep in mind though that fearful animals can often be the most ferocious.

  • Spurning Beer

    While I would not punch a Nazi myself, I would like to punch a Nazi.

    Similarly, I would not trust someone who would punch a Nazi, or someone who would not like to punch a Nazi.

  • mancityRed6

    well, I’m not gonna punch first.
    but, yeah, assault is assault and it is a criminal charge.

    • Jesse

      If its punching back that is a different story. If they start it, you have every right to finish it.

      • mancityRed6

        stand your ground, and now the castle laws extend beyond your home, so…
        I do not condone violence of any sort. it does not fix anything. but sometimes the thought of it makes me feel oh so good.

  • Frank Underboob

    Because not-punching Nazis in Germany when their movement was only at this same stage did such an effective job of shutting them down.

    Oh, wait.

    • HazooToo

      Welcome back.

      • Frank Underboob

        Thanks. Haven’t been gone even a week though. ;)

        • HazooToo

          I’ve been sort of hoping that departed Wonkers often come by and lurk in the shadows, even if they delete their accounts.

          • Frank Underboob

            I can’t imagine why I’d delete my account; I use it regularly on at least a dozen sites. :)

          • HazooToo

            I prefer to stay in one place solely because of the commenting rules here. I don’t know whether you have more patience than me, or more fun fighting with idiots than me. Either way, I hope you have fun out there.

          • Frank Underboob

            Both, I guess.

    • pussygrabber in chief

      But but but . . . what happened in Germany couldn’t possibly happen in the US of America in the 21st century because . . . well, it’s just too upsetting to consider that it could actually happen. Much more comforting to pretend that if we don’t confront Nazis, if we just ignore them, if we laugh at them, they’ll be so chagrined they’ll take their swastikas and semi-automatic weapons and go home.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I told my Republican mother the other day that most of the idiots in her party would support Trump if he decided to postpone the 2020 election. She thinks someone would stop him. Who, Paul Ryan?

    • DocAmazing

      Nonviolence is great, but it’s seldom unaccompanied by some armed self-defense. Google “Deacons for Defense” and get the flip side of the nonviolence of the Civil Rights Movement. Spoiler: you eventually run out of other cheeks to turn.

      • Frank Underboob

        Indeed. Per Cornel West, it was the anti-racists who were willing to get into it who saved a bunch of non-violent protesters from being killed by the Nazis when the cops just stood back & did nothing:

        The scholar and activist Cornel West told the newscast “Democracy Now!” that anti-fascists saved his life and the lives of other nonviolent clergy members in Charlottesville. “We would have been crushed like cockroaches were it not for the anarchists and the anti-fascists,” he said on the show. “You had police holding back and just allowing fellow citizens to go at each other.”

        Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/who-were-the-counterprotesters-in-charlottesville.html

    • Les Appentis De la résistance

      But was there a strong anti nazi movement shutting them down then? We’ve learned a lot since then . We don’t have to pretend we’re 30’s germany.

      • Frank Underboob

        “We don’t have to pretend we’re 30’s germany.”
        No, we don’t. They stayed at home & ate their fucking sheet-cake.* That’s why we need to put up a fight instead.

        * cf: Tina Fey.

        • dshwa

          That was Fey’s point. As much as it was her yelling about Trump and the awfulness of his response, she was satirizing the wishy washy and inadequate response of white liberals as well, right down to the kinder gentler transphobia and racism, as manifested by the we know best how to deal with the problem attitude, and not seeing it as the existential threat that it is to those groups.
          My only complaint is that it was a bit too subtle, although getting the responses she did may have been the goal as well.

          • Frank Underboob

            I dunno. It seemed to me like she was sympathising with it, rather than satirising it. Not to say I couldn’t be wrong, but if so, so are a hell of a lot of other Lefty/Dem people who watched it.

          • dshwa

            That’s why I think it was a little too subtle. Too many people missed that it was aimed at them.

    • ryp

      There was actually plenty of Nazi punching going on in 1920s Germany, mostly by communists, and much of it in self-defense to be sure. The better lesson from that era is not that getting in street brawls with fascists is effective, but in complaining that the traditional left (in that case the socialist SPD), is a greater enemy to the far left (in that case the communist KPD) than fascism, which is what the communists did.

      • Frank Underboob

        For some reason, that reminds me of the current Dems vs Lefties –
        especially the Antifa, Socialists (eg; Heather Heyden) & Anarchists –
        antagonism, with the former calling the latter the Alt-Left, & claiming they’re as bad as the alt-right.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      One thing that happened during rise of Nazi party in Germany was police were sympathetic so would not arrest Nazis for violence. And judges would not convict. And, if convicted, sentences were light.

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    Two thoughts:

    1. Someone once said that if Hitler had had his pants pulled down in a public square, he never would have ascended to power, because people would remember how ridiculous he looked in his boxer shorts with his pants down around his knees.

    2. When I was a wee lad, my friends and I played WWII role-playing games. One of my friends studied WWII strategy pretty closely, and was a “student” (so to speak) of Heinz Guderian, a German general and a pioneer in armored warfare. Interesting guy, Hitler fired him twice. Anyway, Guderian’s main strategic doctrine was to make big moves with as many resources as he could muster. “Masses, not dribbles” was his motto.

    Um, what was my point? Oh! It’s that every Nazi rally should be greeted with as many counter-demonstrators as possible. Masses, not dribbles. The Boston rally is a brilliant example – 20,000 counter-demonstrators vs. 100 rally-ers. Also, that Nazis should be made fun of, shamed, ridiculed IN PERSON. They can handle ridicule when they’re posting comments from their parents’ basements, but not in real life, with other people watching.

    One more thing – bring as much love and good cheer as you can to events like the Boston rally. The resulting street theater will be brilliant.

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    I thought saying Punch Nazis was really just a way to say, fight them, and what they believe in, with all your might.

    • laineypc

      Pretty sure it is a way of saying literally punch them. Do physical violence to them. That is what it is saying and that’s what the article is countering.

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        I meant that I personally never took that phrase literally, but thanks for explaining the article to me. Reading is super hard!

  • Grokenstein

    We all have our methods of doing things. Never stop punching Nazis, but be creative. Hit ’em wherever you think it’ll hurt ’em worst.

  • Walter Wellstone

    There are bad ideas and there’s evil. Privatizing Social Security is a bad idea; Nazi ideology is evil. We can argue about bad ideas but we should not negotiate with evil. My grandfather fought and killed Nazis and was almost killed by them. He survived and the ordeal fucked him up in the head for life. If he were alive he would tell you he wouldn’t bother reasoning with these motherfuckers because evil deserves nothing less.

  • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

    In her book “Prague Winter,” Madeleine Albright said that one of the reasons the Nazis were able to ascend to power, and consolidate, and continue with military attacks outside Germany, was that good people simply couldn’t fathom the depths of their brutality and savagery. Chamberlain really thought that “no one could want another war,” after the horrors of WW1.

    Everyone really thought Hitler couldn’t be as horrific and grotesque as he was. So they allowed, incrementally, the entire catastrophe to unfold.

    When the Nazis re-occupied the Rhineland, France shrugged it off. When Germany visibly re-armed themselves, France and Britain stayed to the agreement of non-re-armament from the Versailles treaty. (Which also was why the Germans could so easily sweep through the rest of Europe, and why it was so desperately touch-and-go with Britain.)

    When they insisted that the Sudetenland was supposed to be theirs (using endless lies and blood libel to pretend that Czechs were attacking Germans there), England, France, and even the U.S. met, without Czechoslovakia even at the table, to agree oh well, let him have it.

    By being complacent, or not standing up to them, they enabled and allowed it to happen.

    Germany was a perfectly cultured country, the home of Beethoven and Goethe and science and education and the arts. That’s partly why so many Jews failed to leave–they, too, couldn’t imagine the fate Hitler had in mind for them, wasn’t Germany a decent country, weren’t they Germans, hadn’t they fought with valor for Germany in the last war?

    That’s why I have a problem with the high-minded idea that we should be tolerant of them. To me, even saying “don’t assault them, they’ll just use it” ignores the fact that they’re all over social media, insisting that we’re assaulting them anyway, using fake pictures from completely different events, photoshopped pictures, and outright lies. To me, we have to do everything we can to stand up to them, to fight them, to stop them.

    My grandmother was in Auschwitz, most of my relatives were slaughtered. We’re talking about people who long for the days of taking children out to the forest, some of them innocently holding your hand because you’re the grown-up, making them dig graves, and machine-gunning them into them. Who long for the gas chambers and ovens, who idolize people who bashed people’s heads in with shovels just for fun. This is personal to me, and we KNOW where it leads.

    So I understand what you’re saying, but I’m not sure you’re right. We’re trying to play by the rules, just like Britain and France, but they’re not. They’re vicious, grotesque, violent, murderous thugs, and we need to stop them.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I was just going to say something similar. I will defend these idiots right to free speech, but showing up to rallies armed to the teeth? Yeah, screw that.

      I was wondering today how someone like Robert Mercer, who has been so richly rewarded in America, could support a thug like Bannon. What do these assholes actually want, and how far are they willing to go to get it?

    • King Beauregard

      The thing about England and France was, they hadn’t recovered from WWI, and were in no shape for a sequel. This is not to say they were naive or unprincipled, like Americans like to claim. As soon as Chamberlain got back from Munich, he set England on a rapid armament program so that they could stand a chance.

      Could England and France have stopped Hitler? There’s a film out called “Dunkirk”, but for those who haven’t seen it and/or don’t remember history: Germany kicked the living shit out of England and France. Personally I think it’s the height of foolishness to make like England or France had any say at all in what territories German annexed; might as well yell at a hurricane and tell it to change course.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        That’s simply and utterly untrue. My dad grew up in Prague, barely escaped as a teen on the Kindertransport, and my mom was British (worked on the Enigma machine). My information is first hand.

        Ask any Brit who remembers, let alone who was there, how they viewed the French collapse. In my post I detailed exactly how and when the Brits and the French should have stood up to Hitler–BEFORE the Nazis had years to mechanize their army, take over Poland, and forcibly annex the armaments and weapons factories and ball bearing factories that they were actually after in Czechoslovakia.

        It was shortsighted and either naive or unprincipled for France, the only country with a large standing army, to allow the Germans to re-occupy the Rhineland–meant to be a disarmed no man’s land as a bulwark against France.

        It was naive AND unprincipled for Chamberlain to hand over Czechoslovakia without even allowing Czechoslovakia a seat at the table–they weren’t part of the discussions. Rather than understanding what it meant, he enabled and encouraged Hitler, saying utterly dismissive things about Czechoslovakia, and failing to see who Hitler was and what he was about. Of course no one wanted a war, and couldn’t face it, but he did the one thing that actually WOULD lead to a war. I mean, this has been endlessly acknowledged, understood, and condemned, since the day it happened. Entire books, with titles like “Guilty Men,” have been written condemning him.

        Then France surrendered–leaving Britain alone. Britain had a fine navy, but no army worth speaking of. No, Chamberlain didn’t go back and start arming people. Britain was caught completely off guard by the invasion of Poland. If France and England had stood up to Hitler while they COULD, they wouldn’t have been pushed back against the sea at Dunkirk.

        Additionally, please don’t think the British “had their asses kicked” by Germany. Even at Dunkirk, they stood up and defied them and did NOT lose their expeditionary forces. And Dunkirk was one battle.
        Then they stood up to the Nazis singlehandedly for years–alone, thanks to France (who by the way were only too happy to collaborate with the Nazis in every way).

        Britain stood bravely up and fought through a Blitz, through ferocious bombing every single night, fiercely working around the clock to build more armaments and equipment–almost matching Germany by the middle of the war–concocting endless schemes and intelligence, even breaking their code, through endless deprivation, through every single day of anticipating an invasion, until America very belatedly entered the war.

        I’m not giving you the American version of the war. I’m giving you the British and Czechoslovakian version of the war. Please don’t try to lecture me based on the fact that you saw a movie. I’m giving you first-hand facts. You could also try reading “Prague Winter”–it’s one of the best books on the topic.

        • King Beauregard

          Yeah, no. You’re not an expert about this just because you have very strong feelings. Lord knows you missed the most significant thing about Dunkirk, namely that England expected to lose 90% of their army but were able to rescue them only because of a combination of freakishly perfect weather, the British Navy, and an improvised flotilla of civilian vessels. The evacuation in question is sometimes called “the Miracle of Dunkirk”; when a complete retreat is hailed as a miracle, you know they were completely outmatched and hopeless.

          Dunkirk proves England and France did not have the power to stop Germany, period. It wasn’t even England / Canada / America that beat the Nazis; it was the Soviet Union more than anything else.

          If your mom had been a REAL patriot she would have taken a motorcycle to Berlin, roundhouse-kicked her way through all of Hitler’s guards, and then put a bullet between his eyes. Why didn’t she? She sure let her country down!

          … no I don’t think that’s a reasonable expectation of her, but I hear nearly that same level of unreasonable expectation from you. England and France should have just forced Germany to behave; France was all cowardly while England was all brave (sure is easy to be brave when you’ve got a 20-mile moat rather than, you know, nothing); there were very clear solutions and people at the time simply opted to do things the cowardly way.

        • Crazt Maist Waizy

          Thankyou for saying this. As a Brit I get very, very tired of some Americans’ insistence that they won the war. America didn’t win the war, it was a team effort. Britain wasn’t destroyed in any form.

          • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

            Brits were the real heroes of that war. You fought for TWO YEARS against the Nazi machine, outgunned, outmanned, and yet you stood up to them. It truly was your “finest hour.”

            And Americans take a decidedly third place to Russia, as well. It was Russia and their ferociousness and their leaders’ willingness to sacrifice 20 million people and more, that truly weakened the Germans.

            There was a reason Berlin desperately wanted Americans to take them at the end of the war, instead of who actually did–Russians. They knew Russia KNEW who they were, had been the direct victims of German savagery, were far more fearsome and would exact a brutal revenge. They regarded Americans then, as now, as hopelessly naive.

            Even our (Americans) entrance into the war, and its actions during the war, were shamefully wanting. America refused my dad and his family, just like they turned that whole boat of refugees around. He was the only one to escape, thanks to Britain. His mother was deported to Auschwitz and miraculously survived until the camps were overrun. The rest of his family was slaughtered.

            It was Britain who saved the children, Britain who ran a daring underground operation behind enemy lines, Britain in North Africa, Britain pulling the whole country together and standing up to an impossible foe.

            To be fair to the poster, at least when I was growing up, it was taught that way in American schools–we were taught about glorious D-Day, with little mention of the Brit and Canadian troops (most Americans don’t even know there were other beaches besides Omaha), and zero mention of the fact that we would never have won if the Panzers hadn’t been tied up on the Eastern front, or if the Brits hadn’t done amazing disinformation to persuade the Nazis that the landing would be on a sunny day in Calais, not a wintry day in Normandy (far further away from Britain).

            I am an American, and am proud of the heroism and sacrifice and strength of our fighting forces and how we DID contribute mightily to pushing back the evildoers. It was Americans who rescued my grandmother. Our boys were brave and fine and strong.

            But it was BRITAIN who was the real hero of this story.

          • Crazt Maist Waizy

            I’m replying a little late, but thankyou, very much indeed! I’m proud to live in a country that did all that, and proud to share the world with other countries who all contributed a lot.

            In Britain we learn about the full scope of how the war was completed, and I’d like to hope that one day American schools try to do that a bit more too.

            Alas, it may not happen and we’ll have to deal with the barely-disguised historical revisionism for a while longer.

            Thankyou

    • No one is saying be tolerant of them. They are saying, don’t hit them. There’s a difference. Intolerance can be a greater set of behaviors and activities than violence. We don’t have only two options. That’s what Boston showed us.

    • Buzz1313

      Exactly. It’s not like we’re discussing a mere difference of opinion. There’s a reason Never Forget is commonly seen written, in various languages, at Holocaust/WWTwo memorials. My sincerest sympathies to your grandmother and murdered relatives. Words truly can’t express…
      Anyway, yeah. When white supremacists taunt journalists with depictions of being led into gas chambers because they’re Jewish and wrote an article not supportive of their views, that shit isn’t cute and the free speech argument falls flat.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    I love when the reporter asks “how long will you stay here?” And the guy says “I’ll fucking stay here till Thursday.”

    Also, he shares my thoughts on letting them speak. It does the Left no good when we try to keep Ann Coulter and Milo from speaking at colleges. Let them Air their idiotic ideas in public.

    • artem1s

      while I agree that violence is no way to react when the deplorables speak at what should be places of learning and enlightenment, I also sincerely believe that the leadership of those universities have an obligation to protect their students. All of them. Even the brown ones who didn’t get legacy family scholarships. There is a frightening trend in philanthropy with university boards and presidents looking the other way when the Robber Baron class ‘donates’ the speaking fees for these odious clowns. The alumni, faculty and lifetime donors to these institutions should have a say in how their donations are being spent. And settling lawsuits because the deplorables brought their odious friends into town to terrorize the real student population isn’t a good use of donor funds. This winter university presidents all over the country had to walk a tight rope of trying to figure out how to support their foreign students while keeping their ‘business men’ board members who were still fapping over dolt45’s EC win, happy.

      Their are large populations of at risk people on campuses. They should be able to feel safe. They shouldn’t have to deal with these shit stains and their violent cult followers. If the university admin had stood up to the Nazis in the first place those goons would have never gotten an invitation in the first place. People will defend themselves if those in power don’t take the initiative to defuse the problem to begin with.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Im with the ACLU on this one – I’ll defend any odious morons right to free speech, but when you show up armed, you’re on your own, assholes.

        Also, too, if you knowingly spread bullshit about someone (Alex Jones and Chobani yogurt guy), your ass needs to get sued. Also Carly Fiorina and her ‘baby parts’ bullshit, that she knew was bullshit, that got three people murdered. She should be behind bars, or penniless, or both.

        • Jeffery Campbell

          Both, please. And then some.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      Then laugh at their silly lame rhetoric.

  • King Beauregard

    Don’t punch Nazis because … every punching incident becomes something THEY want to talk about, rather than something WE want to talk about (like how they’re such asshats). Why give that to them?

  • King Beauregard

    Don’t punch Nazis because … we don’t want to set the bar so low on punching that it could be used against, say, a black person who mutters “we need to get rid of white people” after yet another police atrocity. No, the two aren’t the same, but they’re similar enough that it requires some hair-splitting and/or mind-reading to tell them apart.

  • commatoes

    Taunt OK? Fart in their general direction?

    • Stulexington

      Encouraged in fact.

  • anti-cpusa

    Why don’t you punch some GERMAN Nazis? I’d like to see that. In fact, I’d pay to see that. Go find a hofbrau and punch some REAL NAZIS, go to a biker bar and punch some Nazi bikers – you’re nothing but chickenshit losers

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Yeah. I’m sure when you see a black guy you don’t approve of, you walk right up to him and let him know, because you’re brave and strong.

    • Frank Underboob

      It’s illegal to be a Nazi in Germany, dickhead, because unlike America, they learnt the hard what happens if you don’t punch Nazis. If those Unite the Right arseholes pulled that shit in Germany, they’d be in jail.

      • laineypc

        Putting them in jail is exactly not punching them.

        • Frank Underboob

          If America jailed Nazis, there’d be no need to punch them.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      Did you read about what happened when an American shit-fer-brains started doing Nazi salutes in Germany? You should.

    • Delu

      They got shot and executed in the Nuremberg trials I think.

      Modern day German Nazis?

      They already get “punched” by the German government so no need for anyone to punch them.

      Oh and fuck your violence. You want us to be like you? No chance.

    • Kip TW

      But they all say there were just a few Nazis there. Maybe a dozen!

      Just like one day nobody will admit to having been you.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      You seem well versed in the chicken-shit loser ethos. You must have been a member for a very long time.

  • anti-cpusa
    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      Should make it easier to serve them all their warrants.

    • Delu

      Trumpian threatens violence. Again. And today the sky is once again blue.

      And makes the case why we shouldn’t punch them at all.

      After all, we punch them we become more like them.

      Something to avoid people.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      Unlike you, bikers have an ethos. And they know where the good barbecue restaurants are.

    • Bunch of overweight middle-aged guys? You must be some kind of ‘bear’ fetishist, cupcake.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Alex Jones was obviously antagonizing and provoking people. I consider the coffee throwing an act of self defense. Keep in mind that sleazy POS was saying the lovely Chobani yogurt guy was spreading diseases and crime. Alex Jones is a cancer.

    • Buzz1313

      Watching that video I had to wonder… at the risk of sounding like Alex Jones, the encounter looked fake to me. Jones is a guy who comes unhinged at the mention of anything. This dude throws what appeared to be lukewarm coffee and that’s his reaction? He’s not screaming or even flinching when the coffee gets thrown at him. Stranger approaches you on the street and throws a foreign substance on you and that’s your reaction?

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I thought it was weird, too, but HE approached the stranger, and I think he was trying to provoke him, so maybe he was expecting something. Either that, or he’s high on meth.

  • Atheist

    I love this post! Thank you. I am neutral on the idea of punching Nazis but you bring up a thousand good points why we probably shouldn’t do so.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    It’s about heritage … um.. err… oops.

    https://twitter.com/TheIJR/status/899332159135256577

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      That young lady has ice water in her veins. Do we have a Badass Journalist Award we can giver her?

      • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

        Jews not only people of faith on their list apparently.

        6/19/2017: Users on Eli Mosley & Jason Kessler’s #UniteTheRight @discordapp server discuss targeting people of Quaker faith and their places of worship

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    Breaking USS John McCain involved in collision with merchant vessel while heading to port in Singapore. Rescue efforts underway.

    • Delu

      USS John McCain???

  • Smibo

    “We don’t hit people just because they are assholes with terrible ideas!”

    Exactly! Instead, we hit them with good ideas. They seldom appreciate it though, because they are assholes.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      But really, shouldn’t we be hitting them with our votes of fury?

  • Molon Labe

    There is another reason not to punch nazis. As Noam Chomsky argued recently, thats a fight the left will lose.

  • unionthuggery

    Evil gains power when good people fail to take action.

    Do we choose not to protest their marches and rallies? Do we let their fascist police sympathizers intimidate us or make us feel unsafe because they won’t be there to defend us? Do we stay away because the good police are afraid that the Nazis are better armed than they are? Do we let them air unchallenged their ideas and filth to a public all too eager to embrace simple messages; a public that generally balks at complex problems and solutions? The rise of fascism in the early 20th century was fast. It was apathy that allowed it to gain a foothold, and fear that let it flourish.

    This is not like the civil rights movement, or the liberation of India from colonial rule. This is not citizens speaking out against a government apparatus. This is a dangerous, insurgent, militant movement that desires the death or removal of their enemies, and to replace the rule of law and democratic institutions with a patriarchal police state. The image of leftist protestors permitting themselves to be passively beaten by the right will act as fuel for them. It is not the same imagery that is presented by an oppressive state assaulting it’s citizens. The delight that these scum and their sympathizers have shown at having murdered that girl in VA should stand as a wake up call.

    We must show up. We must drown them out, and we must be prepared to defend ourselves and our allies in the streets.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨
    • persistently_resistant_gayby

      GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE VEGAN BABBY BUTTHOLES?!?!?!?!

    • HarpyLibtart

      What, in the name of all that is delicious, the fuq is THAT???
      Why is it GREEN?
      Mac and cheese is NOT green. Mac and cheese is NOT low calorie.
      If you want to eat things that are green and low calorie, that’s fine, but STOP LYING, that shit is called ‘salad’.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      No. Just no. You want mac ‘n cheese, have some. Don’t do this shit. Moderation in all things. Including moderation. That includes punching Nazis.

  • RugzYaBurnt

    “If you punch a Nazi and start a brawl, who the hell do you think the cops are going to hit with their truncheons: the unarmed brown kid, or the Nazi holding a machine gun? You want that on your conscience?”

    So I guess my problem with this is that the “you” this piece is addressed to is, evidently, exclusively white people, as opposed to “brown kid(s/ people).” I would even be willing to listen and weigh the merits of an argument that white people, specifically, should make extra efforts to be nonviolent in confrontations such as these, to avoid the kind of scenario you describe. But that isn’t explicit here, only implied. And I have a really big problem with the calls for total nonviolence I’ve been seeing from white people (and they are always from white people) lately that ignore the very real danger that black and brown people are in when they show up to protest white supremacy, and their need for self-defense. Corey Long, who is a fucking American hero, sparked up that makeshift flamethrower because a Nazi was pointing a gun at him. To say violence is not the appropriate response to white supremacists (who will continue to nurse their fantasies about being the most subjugated people on earth regardless of whether they are met with force or not, let’s be real), period, no exceptions, seems willfully blind to the real danger they pose to the people they despise.

    • Buzz1313

      It’s like when a kid is being bullied and the teachers and parents say “Ignore them”. I know many an adult who “ignored” his bully as a child. Not once did it work. What did work? Self defense and a little show of “crazy”. There’s something to fear about these Nazi groups, but on the other hand, I’ve yet to hear of a Nazi rally being held on the west side of Chicago. There’s a reason they pull that shit in college towns and not heavily black (and in some cases, heavily armed) neighborhoods.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    Let’s face it, they want to be punched. It confirms their narrative, and they’re sure that will bring all the white people, regardless of their politics, flocking to their sides, because they honestly believe that the color of skin is the most important aspect that binds societies together.

    Snark is our most powerful weapon against them. They’re geared for violence, which is mindless. Snark forces you to think. A snark battle would be them bringing nail clippers to a gunfight.

  • mailman27

    Team Mr. Awesome!!

  • Jeff Mc Donald

    OK, that seems reasonable. But by “don’t punch Nazis”, does that include nut-punching? That is often a classic of late 20th, and early 21st century, films. I just want to know all the rules. I am NOT recommending nut-punching any Nazis. Just making an observation that it might be sort of funny as a social trend. Or not. Geeze it’s a tough call!

  • Back when Spence was punched, I argued against punching Nazis in the comments that aren’t allowed, and very few agreed. In fact, there were some very vehement assertions that it is okay to punch Nazis because Nazis.

    On twitter, some folks in my feed were making fun of a RWNJ’s appearance. I pointed out that we shouldn’t make fun of things people can’t change about themselves tempting though it is because that is bullying.

    I have a lot of non-racist friends who want to tell people of color what it is like to be discriminated against and how best to resist and whatever other BS white people try to tell people of color.

    My point is that it is difficult to follow our own rules when we feel emotionally challenged by the world.

  • Robin

    You’re welcome. Personally, I preferred his graphic novels from the early 70’s, the “Mime Furries” series. Unfortunately, silent furries escaping from invisible boxes and yiff-piling on invisible escalators just never caught on with the general public. Maybe if he’d focused more on his art and less on his holocausting he would have found a larger audience.

  • And now a couterpoint to the counterpoint (ok more of a slight pivot at the point)….

    It’s ironic that you used a Captain America pic because it reminds of another time Captain America faced the “dilemma” of punching Nazis (why yes that DOES mean we get to quote my now obligatory favorite review of that storyline. Thanks for asking):

    http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/captain_america_275-278.shtml

    “Two of a kind”, he says, comparing a Jewish person to the guy who wants to exterminate him.

    It’s clear that DeMatteis’ Captain America doesn’t condone violence against Neo-Nazis. But DeMatteis goes so far with this depiction that (to me, anyway) it undermines the message. Cap is initially in denial about the danger of Neo-Nazi groups and (apparently) the existence of anti-Semitism at all until it hits him in the face in the most overt way possible at his workplace. And even then he finds a way to turn things into some “both sides do it” mush. Cap should have recognized that one side of this “debate” had a reason to be very angry and therefore might be blinded enough by that anger to become more violent than they ordinarily would. Whereas the other side is just scum. That seems like a reasonably safe, mainstream comic-approved message that still leaves Cap with a little moral backbone. I’m not saying Cap would think that civilians punching Nazis is ok, but from the version of him that i see here i’m not so sure i want to take his advice on any moral question. I mean if you can’t take a stand against Nazis, forget it.

    So no we shouldn’t hit Nazi’s (or at least intentionally ptovoke violence against them), but it’s still not “the same” as what they do to other people, so the false equivalencies still don’t stand.

    • King Beauregard

      The both-siderism in that comic … Jesus. Nazis can cease to be Nazis just by pulling their heads out of their asses; we despise Nazis because they insist on being shit people. Hating people because of their lineage is garbage; hating people because of their shit beliefs is one of the most legitimate reasons to hate.

      As for the slippery slope argument about banning Nazis, I would say this: the law exists not to enshrine abstract principles but to serve people. Laws that treat abstractions better than human beings should be revised. Fortunately, in the real world, the body of law covering Nazi rallies factors in likelihood of violence, which is a pretty good reason to ban a rally.

      How I would fix the comic: the Nazi rally was a plot to lure Captain America into a fight and make him look like a bully, having to justify punching people who were just speaking their minds. The Nazis even have a lawyer lined up to do the PR work to put Cap on the defensive. But the plan fails because, while Cap is tempted to punch Nazis, he ultimately prefers to pontificate on rights. Then he turns to the Nazis and says, “We beat you in 1945. Cross the line and we’ll do it again. We will ALWAYS beat you.”

    • King Beauregard

      “my now obligatory favorite review of that storyline”

      That sounds like something I’d say. Can I tell you the most disappointing part of that comic, at least for me? It was edited by Mark Gruenwald. If there is a bigger Gru fan than me, I have yet to meet him or her. To me, Gruenwald’s long long writing stint on “Captain America” is the definitive run, even through the plodding low points towards the end. I like to think Gruenwald’s Cap wouldn’t have been all both-sidery, but Gruenwald WAS the editor on that deMatteis comic, and had the power to do something about it. Gruenwald signed off on that comic, and I’m kind of ashamed that he did.

      Another possible fix to the comic: instead of it coming to a sort-of fight, how about Cap siding with the anti-Nazi contingent and carrying a sign long enough for people to take photos.

  • caleb smith

    I remember the first time I read F&L in Las Vegas. I nearly died laughing at how outrageous everything was. His style was certainly breathtaking, and he was indeed very knowledgeable and perceptive, especially about drugs. At least that was what held my fascination at age 18. (Yes I’m old)I bought F&L on the Campaign Trail when it came out too. I remember being disappointed a bit when it wasn’t as wild as F&LLV. I read it again recently and was amazed at his skills and political observations.Yeah, I was way too fucked up back then to appreciate the pearls cast before this swine. (Sorry but I had to work in swine in his honor PBUH)

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  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    So to recap…

    Don’t punch Nazis… much… unless you have to in order to protect somebody….
    and if it won;t cause a riot… unless a riot is the preferable outcome.

  • x111e7thst

    I have read your arguements with care and attention, reflected at some length and find myself unpersuaded. These are nazis we are talking about..

    • Buzz1313

      I’m with you there. Their free speech and ideas have killed people. I saw several monuments dedicated to Holocaust victims at Père Lachaise last week and it made what the Nazis did to hundreds of thousands a bit more real. And on a personal note, their buddies in the Klan can go to hell, too. My grandmother knew a guy( I believe he was a cousin) who was castrated by the a few Klan members. Sometimes what some people need is a good hard punch to the jaw. I don’t advocate violence, but here’s the thing: Nazis are going to demonize blacks, Jews and whoever else whether or not we punch them. At least if they are punched, they have a reason to demonize us. It’s really easy to say “Ignore them” when their hate isn’t laser focused on you. But me, the black dude who has been the only black person in class, or at a job, or at a restaurant or wherever? Seeing them on tv, listening to our president support them? Uh uh- fuck that. If one of them comes swinging in my direction, they’re in for a surprise and I don’t care how the media reacts.

      • laineypc

        You’re right, Nazi’s gonna hate. It’s what they do, and they don’t need a reason and they will always find a “reason” whether you give them one or not. (Because they don’t understand it’s their own inner demons they are fighting.) And why would you want to give them one anyway? I am having trouble following that logic. Like the parent who, when faced with a child who cries because they dropped their ice cream, says “You are crying over that? No, you don’t cry over that, I’ll give you a REASON to cry!” and then proceeds to smack them? And then what? Now there is more fear and hate.

        Nazi hate may be directed to you, and yes, fuck that. Fuck it fuck all to hell, and fuck the even worse (because it’s actually hurting so many people right now) under-the-radar “I’m not a racist” racial bias/white privilege/fragility that isn’t expressed as Nazism or white nationalism, but results in ongoing racial inequality in justice, education, housing, employment, health, exposure to environmental toxins, and electoral representation/disenfranchisement.

        But Nazism is not about you. It’s about their own inner demons that they can’t handle, and they are acting out and turning onto others.

        We can fight it without violence, we must, because that is the world we are working for. If we can’t use the methods we believe in, then what good are we? We cannot use their tactics. That’s more fear and hate.

  • Permit-holder Ron

    But I just bought a new pair of Nazi-punching gloves!

    • Me not sure

      They’ll look nice hanging from the mirror of your car.

      • CafeenMan

        Ewww… who wants a punched NAZI face hanging from their rear-view?

        • Me not sure

          The GLOVES!

          • CafeenMan

            I don’t think gloves have a rear-view mirror to hang punched NAZI faces from.

          • Me not sure

            Grrrr!

          • CafeenMan

            I know.. it’s stupid, right? I mean it seems obvious that having something to hang punched NAZI faces from would be a fundamental feature of any decent pair of NAZI-punching gloves. Yet not a single manufacturer that I know of has chosen to incorporate it. It’s as dumb as having a lawn-mower that can’t stream Netflix.

          • Me not sure

            ..or bicycles without pop-up toasters.

          • Sakonyachen

            Or a thread without canned clams?

          • Me not sure
          • CafeenMan

            I don’t know what they’re thinking. Like I said, this stuff should be obvious.

    • CafeenMan

      I hear if you gift them to a NAZI, they’ll use them to punch themselves in the face repeatedly.

    • I *always* wear Gloves too.

      ;)

  • SomeBigRedDog

    I notice you didn’t say anything about biting them …

    • CafeenMan

      Or spray-bottles of hazardous waste also too.

  • tomamitai

    https://weeklysift.com/2017/08/21/what-to-make-of-antifa/

    When state institutions work well, and work for the benefit of the vast
    majority, then anarchists look like nut jobs. But when they don’t work,
    when the people have to start organizing their own defenses outside the
    system, and when the only path of protest liberals offer is nonviolent
    martyrdom, then anarchists who come prepared to face violence start to
    make a lot of sense.

  • Okay, I won’t punch nazis (except WITH WORDS). However, the newest thing to hit the internet is how the “antifa” is a BIG THING that is JUST AS DANGEROUS and coming to eat your childrens.The new myth is that the “commies” have been organizing the “anti-free speech” marches — you know like when 20k people showed up in Boston. As if, the left was ever “organized.” Also Julian Assange — yeah that guy — is snarking-wise on Twitter about how people are giving away the right to free speech by standing against nazis — THAT guy! He really needs to get out more. As idiot as Trump is, the “both sides” narrative is not going to die.

    • Itks not about ‘Free Speech” as those infinitely-stewpid Racistassses say (of course) but about Said Entitled Chickenshiiiiiiits simply wanting to keep on with Their Same Tired Old Racist BS behind that pretext.

      -_-

  • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

    I do not agree. Fuck them, kick them when you have a chance, slug them in their little piggy Nazi “Master Race” faces, do it! Doooo eeeeet!

    These fucking far right wing Christofascist Republican assholes are who our fathers and grand fathers fought World War 2 to exterminate, some of our mothers and grand mothers fought the war in non-combat positions, some fought combat positions when they were forced to.

    FUCK these right wing Trump cock suckers! Totally slug them at every opportunity.

    When these fuckers showed their Nazi faces in Anaheim, California at a public park, parents came over and kicked the fuck out of them, stomped their fucking Republican shitters and drove the fucks in to the loving, protective arms of the police.

    THAT is how Nazis are handled in police society.

  • Sakonyachen

    Countercounterpoint! Aren’t we always supposed to do like Captain America?

  • alt-strategy: if you must, do not get caught.

  • ResonantCavity

    Counter-counterpoints:

    White supremacists already see themselves as victims. Punching won’t make that worse.

    White supremacists are the largest terrorist group in the US. You’re already likely to get shot.

    When did the cops ever need a reason to start cracking heads?

    After the huge counterprotest in Boston, white supremacists canceled 67 rallies in 36 states. Make Racists Afraid Again™ works. You can’t punch a Nazi into not being a Nazi, but you can punch him into shutting up and going back to his shitty life.

    It worked in the 40s. What didn’t work was yellow-bellied appeasement.

    It is right. Nazis aren’t just assholes with terrible ideas. Calling them that normalizes them. Genocide is not a political proposition on which there is more than one valid position.

    White supremacists are a real threat to minorities throughout the country. With the Justice Department ending its investigations into white supremacist terrorism even as that terrorism increases (🤔🤔🤔), they are a bigger threat than ever. Violent self-defense is a last resort, and we’re there.

    • ResonantCavity

      Also, your cape is showing.

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