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We shall now count down the top 10 stories of the week, chosen as usual by Beyoncé:

1. Meet Trump idiot “Brad,” who got humiliated on MSNBC when he tried to mansplain “economy” to the hosts, who are financial experts.

2. It sure is a shame Hillary Clinton never warned us about Donald Trump’s basket of deplorable Nazi fuckwits.

3. Speaking of Nazis, did you see that shit where Trump took the side of the Nazis in Charlottesville, because at least they had a permit?

4. A Breitbart guy was triggered so hard by the current cover of Vogue, he fell over dead. But don’t worry, he got better!

5. Trump’s first statement on Charlottesville somehow was worse than Mike Huckabee’s statement on Charlottesville.

6. Yay! Let’s celebrate the 90th anniversary of Trump’s dad Fred getting arrested at a Klan riot!

7. This one guy who went to that racist rally is really upset everybody thinks he’s racist, just because he went to a racist rally.

8. Oh Christ, Would You Look At These Assholes? Our first post on Charlottesville.

9. A very special Deleted Comments, featuring only the worst shit people said last weekend during the Charlottesville mayhem.

10. And finally, OH GO FUCK YOURSELF with a tiki torch, Tucker Carlson!

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  • Courser_Resistance

    Um, wow! I’ve never done the first comment before. Good morning Wonkers!

    • Maclare, Local Milk Person 🍼

      Congrats! So I guess I’m second!
      Story of my life, really.
      /(Sad trombone)/

      • Ezio

        First is the worst.
        Second is the best.
        Third is the one with the hair on the chest.

        • Red Bird

          I’m the third child in the family.

    • Paul

      Did you get all the worms, early bird?

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    The rightwing commenters at my local newspaper’s comment section have NO IDEA what Steve Bannon meant when he said that Trump’s presidency was over.

    Disingenuous or passive-aggressive? YOU make the call!

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Thick as bricks? Dumb as a box of rocks?

  • Ezio
    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      bwhahahahaha!

      Ah, it’s so nice to be laughing at them…

    • Maclare, Local Milk Person 🍼

      I’m assuming they looked for the worse pic of Pelosi… and the best pic on Bannon.
      Sooooo… that’s the best pic they HAVE of Bannon.
      He.

    • Walter Wellstone

      I hear there’s only about 25 advertisers left at Dead Breitbart since yesterday. Does anyone know anything about that?

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        i saw a like or tweet in the previous thread – shouldn’t be very far down.

      • Three Finger Salute

        That’s still too many. Although I wonder if 24 of the ads are by their northern equivalents at Deplorebel Media desperately begging for Yankee cultists to shell out some old-white-guy bills to pay for Ezra’s stupid Sea Org cruises. Maybe 20 of Ezra’s ads and whatever snake oil sponsors Alex Jones shares.

    • Canned Covfefe

      Is that actually the picture of Bannon they used? If so, whoa.

  • IdiotsforPalin
  • wait! what?

    I was hoping #8 would be about a vegan baby.

  • Kiri the Unicorn

    “We should give you more kid pictures, but
    you got a video this week, which is mathematically equal to one million
    pictures, therefore you get NOTHING MORE.”

    http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/e3/e38b2cee0dce880cd0f5bedb1a188df6451be3a8cc97cf6c646fe47d319a89b3.jpg

    • Atheist

      The melt-down of the ages – and my standard response to Trump voters who are worried about their own health care after throwing Muslims, immigrants, women, Jews, ect under the bus.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKG07305CBs

  • VirginiaWackelpudding

    The Onion has unleashed a ton of unholy Bannon pix. Worthy of a look see if you need a laugh and aren’t afraid of the spores.

    • Reximus
      • VirginiaWackelpudding

        No, too cute.

    • Paul

      C’mon. You KNOW we’re lazy as fuck. We need linky things.

      • VirginiaWackelpudding

        I is a old on a tablet and I can’t into high tech. Seriously, my link abilities ain’t fer shit.

        • Holly

          Here ya go kids.
          http://www.theonion.com/

          • VirginiaWackelpudding

            Thanks. If I had woken up ma sleeping teen to get her to do this for me, she would be displeased.

          • Holly

            I know exactly what you mean! One must neverever poke the sleeping bear.

  • Jenny

    She’s ready for her close up!

  • Lizzietish81

    My Trumpie friends have finally started coming out of the woodwork with such gems as “Why are Democrats taking down statues of Confederate Democrats?” and general “why is it suddenly a big deal about these statues?”

    Earlier this week one of them posted a meme asking why it’s ok to judge all Trump voters based on his support of White Supremecists and vice versa but not all Muslims for Isis.

    I slowly explained to her that there’s a difference between a religion that spans centuries and hundreds of countries and cultures, and a pretty specific ideology that is all about racism. She tried to hedge saying that’s not why she voted for Trump and I called her on her bullshit given how many times she’s posted “Muslims are coming to kill us and only Trump can save us” memes.

    • Suttree

      I’m probably worse than a Nazi because I have blocked every Turnipian asshole. My feed is a bunch of commie liberals. It’s funny though because your posts show up in numbers equal to every single other person that I’m friends with combined.

      • Lizzietish81

        Even since I got a job?

        • Suttree

          It’s tapered down a little. But you are still about half.

      • No you are not worse. Condoning this stuff because free speech and keeping the peace has been taken, by them, as tacit compliance.
        You are not worse.

        • Lizzietish81

          I will always support their right to say whatever bullshit they want.

          Just as it is my right to tell them they are wrong and stupid.

          • That too is a good response. We gotta stop being silent, at the very least. Not you, but I know I at least for sure have rolled my eyes and bit my tongue because I didn’t want to upset anyone.
            Not doin that no more.

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      My Trumpie Friends

      Your problem in a nutshell

      No offense

      • Lizzietish81

        They’re people I knew in High School. I like having them there because A) it’s a link to the past and we were friends then and B) it’s good to get a reading on the other side.

        • If all they got is “Why are you so concerned about statues huhhhhh???” then we are most certainly winning this here culture war whatever thing.
          Cause “We were always concerned; we’ve just had enough of your hateful heritage” is a lovely ready made response.

      • Lizzietish81

        C) they’re a reminder of why I ran screaming into the night from that hole of a town as soon as I could.

    • Three Finger Salute

      No, for once we’re not sorry. We don’t blame all Muslims for ISIS any more than we blame all Americans for Donald Trump.

      –Canadian woman who sponsors refugees, burning the White House like the current year is 1812

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gT-vJg-EfM

      The guy in this video is a master of the subliminal Trump troll.

      Here he is talking to his protégé, Hasan Minhaj.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      The idea that this thing with the statues is “all of a sudden” just shows the bubble they live in. People have been talking about these statues for literally decades. Just not the people that they listen to.

  • IdiotsforPalin

    Donald Trump went to London and met with the Queen.

    “Your Queenship, “ he asked her. “I am finding things way more difficult than I could have imagined. May I ask you – how do you run such an efficient government? Are there any tips you can give me?”

    “Well,” replied Her Majesty, “the most important thing is to surround yourself with intelligent people.”

    Trump frowned.

    “But how do you know the people around you are really intelligent?” he asked.

    “Oh, that’s easy” the Queen replied. “You just ask them to answer an intelligent riddle”.

    She pushed a button on her intercom. “Please send Theresa May in here.”

    The Prime Minister walked into the room.

    “You called for me, Your Majesty?”

    “Answer me this, if you would, Theresa. “ the Queen said. “Your mother and father have a child. It is not your brother and it is not your sister. Who is it?”

    Without pausing for even a second, Theresa May answered, “That would be me.”

    “Yes! Very good,” said the Queen.

    Trump went back home, returned to the White House and the very next day called for Mike Pence to come and see him.

    Pence duly trotted in to the Oval Office

    “Mike, answer this for me,’ said the Don. “Your mother and your father have a child. It’s not your brother and it’s not your sister. Who is it?”

    “I’m not sure,” said Pence. “Let me get back to you on that one.

    Pence went panicking off to his advisers and asked everyone, but none of them could give him an answer.

    The next night, as it happened, Pence ran in to Hillary Clinton in a restaurant. By now, desperate for an answer to give to his tyrannical boss, he approached her – much to her surprise.

    “Hillary, I know we haven’t always seen eye to eye but I would really appreciate it if you could answer this riddle for me

    “Sure, Mike “Hillary said. “I’m not one to hold a grudge. What is it?”

    “Thanks, said Pence,” It’s this. Your mother and father have a child and it’s not your brother or your sister. Who is it?”

    Hillary answered right back, “That’s easy, it’s me!”

    Pence smiled, “Thanks!”

    Pence then went back to speak with Trump. “Say, boss, I did some research and I have the answer to that riddle. It’s Hillary Clinton.”

    Trump got up, stomped over to Pence, and angrily yelled at him. “No, you idiot! It’s Theresa May!”

    … AND THAT, MY FRIENDS, IS PRECISELY WHAT’S GOING ON AT THE WHITE HOUSE.

    • Kiri the Unicorn
      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        best laugh in days! Thanks!

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      • Rok E Raccoon

        I recognize Sen. Schumer, but who is the dude with the rubber glove on his head, Jared or Eric?

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    Every. single. time.

    “Charlottesville organizer pens vile ‘payback’ tweet aimed at Heather Heyer – then claims he was hacked”

    The organizer of the violent Charlottesville “Unite the Right” protest allegedly tweeted vicious insults aimed at Heather Heyer, who lost her life a week ago.

    “Heather Heyer was a fat, disgusting Communist,” reads the now-deleted tweet from Kessler read. “Communists have killed 94 million. Looks like it was payback time.”

    Kessler stated that his Twitter account was hacked — but it still remans active, causing suspicion.
    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/charlottesville-organizer-pens-vile-payback-tweet-aimed-at-heather-heyer-then-claims-he-was-hacked/

    • jesterpunk

      Bullshit, the dailystormer had a post saying exactly that before they where shutdown by go daddy and google.

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      Dear lord, what a pathetic bunch of pussies.

    • Maclare, Local Milk Person 🍼

      Why do they think anyone believes them?

    • It was either going to be hacked account or death threats. One of the two

  • jesterpunk

    My local paper has interviews with people in Aberdeen Washington who thought Trump would save them. That city has been going down since the early 80’s when Raygun was president because the town was built as a logging town. Its not something recent its just what happens when your town relies on a single industry. Hell Nirvana and the Melvins talked about the town since the mid 80’s and early 90’s when both became popular and from the interviews nothing has changed in all that time.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Got a link to share?

      • jesterpunk
        • bupkus231

          Hm – the Lancaster, PA runs a wire service story on the trials and tribulations of a town all the way across the country from them. One wonders if they would note the same in any small Pennsylvania town somewhere near them? I know there are hellholes in rural PA – I lived in one in the 80s…

          • Hell, they could interview people in friggin Erie and get the same sob stories.

          • jesterpunk

            They picked a town that has been shitty for decades too, your right though there are local towns they could have ran a story about without having to drive more then 45 minutes round trip.

          • Allentown has been shitty for decades. Hell, Bethlehem is a hop skip and a jump away and has been shitty for near half a century.

          • jesterpunk

            From 1982

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnJp0oyOxs

            I have no idea why they picked Aberdeen Washington for the story instead of closer towns? Unless they didnt want to make PA look bad?

    • Gee. It would be so nice if they would stop interviewing the Trump supporters. I think we understand them REAL GOOD NOW.

      • jesterpunk

        IKR? They never interview Hillary supporters to see how we feel they always interview Trump supporters to see how sad they are since they won.

        • Which is hilarious because when Obama was president, they were busy interviewing not Obama supporters who were sad he won, too.
          Maybe they just like to interview sad people?

          • The Wanderer

            Schadenfreude.

          • jesterpunk

            They do interview conservatives all the time, so you might be on to something here.

          • NotReallyHere

            I’m a Hillary supporter and I’m definitely sad.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            “Maybe they just like to interview sad white people?”

            FIFY.

        • Three Finger Salute

          I guess they finally got tired of winning.

    • shivaskeeper

      Aberdeen is one of the meth and heroin towns I go through regularly. There are no jobs there anymore. If you move to Aberdeen you had better have a job 100% guaranteed when you get there. Aberdeen and Hoquiam never even tried to shift industry when the logging started to dry up. Businesses just don’t move in there to start up and revitalize the area and no one wants to pay taxes to have the local or county to do it.

      • So, basically what you are saying, is people didn’t want to have to actually do something to improve their lives and keep expecting the government to do it for them?

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        Shit, what does a city do when the reasons it was built don’t exist any more?

        • Jenny

          Either become a ghost town or find a new reason.

        • Something else. See also: Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Ashland VA, and a million other communities that saw the eggs were gone in the basket and did something about it.

  • Reximus
    • ManchuCandidate
      • The Wanderer

        Better than than hungry rats.

        • JCfromNC

          Debatable, as the character was extremely allergic, IIRC.

    • armed_bears

      Although in the movies, he meets and keeps the girl.

      • Three Finger Salute

        She’s muh humminbird, Mawsha’ Lawkin. I promised huh muh Pow’rball ticket and muh first edition Sup’rman…

    • Why did Nicolas Cage steal a dinosaur skull from Mongolia?

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        he bought it for like $230,000 and then an investigation found it was stolen.

        • So this is nice time?
          Good job, Nick!

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            sorta, not for him so much.

            Some accountant of his or whatever robbed his ass blind. So it’s ANOTHER loss of money – but otherwise, YEAH!

          • Hey, pretty sure he is good for it. losing 230k would crush you or I; probably does not make him bat an eye, hence why he can plunk it down for a skull.
            But then he can go after this accountant whatever so, recourse.
            Good for him doing the right thing. Maybe he should NOT FUCKING BUY ANTIQUITIES ON THE BLACK MARKET? K Nick?

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            think it was presented as legit – but could point, one should always be wary buying artifacts like that. Ask Hobby Lobby.

          • Hobby Lobby knew. Hobby Lobby did not care.

          • sarafina

            AMEN!!!!

          • Three Finger Salute

            Put the Mongolian skull back in the box.

            Why didn’t you put the Mongolian skull back in the box?

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    I hope the adorable vid of Donna Rose singing isn’t a precursor to a career in music. As I can personally attest, it will get you absolutely nowhere in life.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
    • Skipping the Kennedy Honors.
      Can’t make this shit up. You pants shitting coward, Trump.Coulda handed it To Melly and Ivanka, who likely would not be boycotted. But no, you are going to skip it, like the debates you sucked at, like the rallies where people were protesting.
      Because you are a pants shitting coward.

      • jesterpunk

        He also skipped the correspondence dinner because they would make fun of him.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          And throwing out the first pitch on Opening Day because he’d be booed (and he can’t throw worth a damn either).

          • Persistent Tennessee Rain

            He doesn’t go out in public unless it is to one of his rallies, one of his properties or it is in front of people who won’t/can’t voice an objection

          • jesterpunk

            Your saying he needs his safe space? I thought he ran on a platform of how safe spaces and PC culture where bad?

          • The Wanderer

            Every day is Opposite Day for him.

          • Canned Covfefe

            THIS^^^^

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            and the trip to england for fear of protestors.

          • Paul

            But but but….I thought he was a tremendous baseball jock. One of the best of his generation. Just ask him. It would have probably gone something like this (Ow my balls). It may take a minute for the video to load but is worth the wait

            https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2017/08/17/jordan-leandre-on-errant-first-pitch-it-just-kind-of-slipped-out-of-my-hand

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        and from what I understand, it’s all because a few of them didn’t want to go to the reception afterward at teh white house.

        Really? If someone comes to my wedding but doesn’t come to the after party, I’d shrug and say, “whatever.’

        But Trump people are the absolute most thin-skinned and petty individual I’ve ever been made aware of.

      • CafeenMan

        Still enjoy his freakout when someone allegedly rushed toward his podium. He literally had no idea what to do. He didn’t even take a defensive stance. He was just clueless like he is in all things.

    • CripesAmighty

      The flip side of this is: when was a president so universally loathed that he would be booed across the Potomac at the Kennedy Center honors?

    • btwbfdimho

      They can only go from Trump property to Trump property, stopping by the White House or the Air Force One.
      Oh, the achievements of being rich and asshole…
      GO BACK TO YOUR TRAILER!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CjCJekuEPw

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        “They can only go from Trump property to Trump property, stopping by the White House or the Air Force One. ”

        With the occasional rally full of supporters.

        But he’s a man of the people, all right. /s

    • Iron Monkey

      If you are old as I am, you can recall when LBJ wasn’t able to give commencement addresses anywhere but the military academies for fear of demonstrations against him and the Vietnam war. But he still appeared at big, Presidential public events.

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    these fucking people really are morons. One of these things is not like the others.

    “The Boston Free Speech Coalition says it’s invited “libertarians, conservatives, traditionalists, classical liberals, (Donald) Trump supporters or anyone else who enjoys their right to free speech” to rally.

    • Classical liberals.
      HEY. WE WERE INVITED THIS TIME

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        i’m not even sure what he means by that.

        • Kiri the Unicorn

          Classical liberals:

          https://youtu.be/hWrFVjKKo-U

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            oh, tax and spend effeminate snobs.

            they don’t like it when we show a little backbone.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Don’t forget your Sophocles.

        • Kiri the Unicorn

          And brush up your Shakespeare.

          • Canned Covfefe

            Brush up your Shakespeare
            Start quoting him now
            Brush up your Shakespeare
            And the women you will wow

      • ManchuCandidate

        No. Classical Liberals are into the usual libertarian free market bullshit and gladiator movies.
        https://media.giphy.com/media/QRspJxxhIui5i/giphy.gif

        • I like markets and gladiators.
          But see, to me, classical liberal means the furthest left one can get to and not see Stalin.
          So, we were invited :D

    • jesterpunk

      Relevant XKCD, the mouseover text really fits these morons.

      https://xkcd.com/1357/

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        yup, a classic.

      • CafeenMan

        I scrolled through his entire archive of comics in about two sittings a while ago. I check back every couple weeks and there’s usually 3-4 new ones. That guy is incredibly intelligent. I love his science comics but don’t get about half of them.

        The mouseover on the one you linked is priceless.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Randal Munroe also has a pretty interesting book of facts and human-readable breakdowns of scientific information with XKCD cartoons used to explain complex subject matter. It’s called, appropriately enough, The Thing Explainer.

          Oh and look who else is a fan of XKCD. He really is adorkable.

      • bupkus231

        Note that in the tweet Callyson posted above, one of the images has a protestor holding a posterboard of that comic….

        • jesterpunk

          Nice, that is the perfect thing to bring to a rally.

      • Three Finger Salute

        There has to be a Rule ### that says any topic will always have a Relevant XKCD.

        • XKCD’s Rule for Internet Posting:
          For every derp shit post, there is a relevant and funny web comic.

        • jesterpunk

          https://relevantxkcd.appspot.com

          The other rule is there is always a Trump tweet criticizing the current Trump position.

          • Law of Trumpian Twitplicity: For every Trump Tweet, there is another Trump Tweet that mocks it.

          • Three Finger Salute

            I want to say this is similar to that quantum thing Trudeau explained, but I don’t think there’s a branch of science that deals with quantum Trump. Probably just implodes the universe.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Hah- I’ve seen that cartoon a million times, never new about the mouse-over! Thanks!

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          IKR? I only learned about in 2017 and was pissed off.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      “Organizers of the rally touting free speech say it is not a white supremacist event.”

      We’re about to fucking find out, aren’t we?

      • Paul

        10,000 folks have already signed up for ONE of the counter protests.

        Even if you’re not a subscriber, the Boston Globe has a public site with updates:

        https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/08/19/live-updates-free-speech-rally-counter-protests-boston-common

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          sweet, thanks. I was looking at cnn.com’s “live” update.

          • Paul

            Boston is a weird town. Mostly progressive as you’d expect, but it also harbors a bunch of rabid racists, as evidenced by the riots caused by busing to even out the racial disparities in schools a few decades ago. That hate didn’t go away, it just hid and kept its head down. This could get nasty.

          • I am not racist! I just don’t want my kids to go to school with any brown ones. What is wrong with that???

          • Three Finger Salute

            As someone who grew up in a small town on a steady diet of Reading Rainbow and Sesame Street piped in from ‘GBH, I honestly never knew that there was such an undercurrent of hatred in this area until I hit my adult years. Didn’t know that it was due to abandoning the busing policies why there weren’t any black or Hispanic kids in my kindergarten class either.

            Although, I honestly didn’t think anything of it, because I had all to contend with about neither the kids nor the teachers being nice to me, and apparently for no good reason other than I was a precocious reader and a good student. I can’t even begin to imagine how they might have been to any minority students in the room.

            It wasn’t my fault either. I used to bury myself in books as a refuge from my father’s erratic and violent alcohol-induced behavior. Also my mother was a teacher, and that apparently made my own teacher jealous. I spelled words better than she could too, and didn’t know that you’re not supposed to “beat the boss in golf” (correct the teacher’s errors) or otherwise upstage authority figures even when they’re plainly wrong. I used to get timeouts all the time even though I raised my hand and said so politely. She just couldn’t stand being incompetent in the face of a child, I guess.

            It wasn’t like English wasn’t her first language either. She was just functionally illiterate and basically appointed to the position because she was young and energetic and knew how to make the kids shut up and keep in line. Actual “teaching” was irrelevant. She used to do the whole “their/there/they’re” mixup all the time, well before it became a thing on the Internet. The worst? She spelled “school” as “scoul” (and boy, did she ever have one), and didn’t understand why everyone was picking on Dan Quayle for spelling “potato” wrong. My mother got fed up at that point, and had me bring in Mr. Potato (not Potatoe) Head for show and tell. The teacher locked me in the bathroom for the rest of the day.

            I guess I’m lucky (privileged?) in that 1) my mother not only was a teacher herself, but had plenty of books around for me to peruse through, and 2) had I been a visible minority I probably would have gotten a sound beating to hesh up.

            I ended up being labeled a problem child with a special needs disorder and my mother told to find me another place to go to school, because the local K-8 just “isn’t equipped to handle children like this.” My mother and I ended up having to cobble together a sort of autodidactic makeshift home-schooling curriculum until I got to high school, because I guess I had a black mark on my “permanent record” (apparently that really is a thing) indicating that I had serious behavioral disturbances (the teacher didn’t?) and was learning-disabled (because I didn’t learn to respect authoritah). I think nowadays they call it gifted-talented. But I wasn’t a prodigy of any sort. I just wasn’t a complete idiot who didn’t know how to spell “school” — let alone become a teacher if that was one of my glaring failures in life.

            When even the school system in an otherwise pleasant country town in the state that produced Horace Mann and Harvard is this bad, I can’t even begin to comprehend how it must be in (deliberately) underfunded areas with a majority minority demographic composition. I’ve seen news footage of schools in Detroit that have fungi growing out of the walls — and not as a science project. Textbooks from the seventies with missing pages and held together with duct tape, that kids have to share. Add to that the racist crime of lead poisoning being inflicted on innocent kids and you’ve got a recipe for disaster. No wonder they’re a mess. Nobody cares about them except to label them problems from day 1 because of the color of their skin. Imagine the opposite bookend, a smart black kid who points out that a hick white teacher is illiterate. No, Dubya, obviously our childrens isn’t lurning in scoul.

          • Persistent Demme

            Just have to tell you in regards to Reading Rainbow.

            LeVar Burton spoke at my daughter’s graduation, (his sister was a faculty member), and led the grads in a chorus of the Reading Rainbow theme song.
            It was fantastic!

          • Bobathonic

            I remember that. I was bused as a child (nowhere near Boston), but had no idea that it was a thing. Get on bus, go to school.

          • Paul

            Oh. It was a thing alright. True story. A friend from UMASS grew up in South Boston and his mother was worried he’d do stupid shit and warned him repeatedly to stay away from the demonstrations.

            One day at dinner his mom asked what he did that afternoon. His reply “Homework at the library.” She hauled off and slapped him (for the very first time) hard and said never lie to me again. Seems she had been watching the news and Walter Cronkite had a video clip of some teenagers vandalizing buses that were used to bring progressive minded people to a Boston rally against racism. Her son was front and center smashing windows. I’m pretty sure he’d have preferred answering to the cops than his pissed off Irish mom.

          • Three Finger Salute

            We Massholes are very familiar with the busing riots and the (literally) gut-wrenching photograph of one of the angry Southies stabbing a black man with the American flag.

            https://splendorc1.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/landsmark2.jpg

            Can confirm also that there’s just as much Catholic traditionalism still afoot despite the church being roundly discredited, on everything from abortion to assisted suicide. The pedo priests getting their sheep to vote against the bill in droves is why it eventually failed by a sliver of a margin back in 2012. As someone who enthusiastically voted in favor, I was devastated.

            Expect even more anger now that John Henry wants to rename Yawkey Way, because it’s named for the onetime Red Sox owner who was the lone holdout on desegregating the team until he breathed his last. Personally, I’d like to see it become Epstein Way, 1) because Theo is the owner who finally assembled a championship team that broke “the curse of the Bambino,” and 2) because wouldn’t naming it after a Jew really piss these Nazi fucks off?

          • Could go with Sammy Davis Blvd. Not sure if that has anything to do with Boston, but naming it after a black Jewish would be pretty fun also.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Go for the trifecta. Black Jewish Canadian. Drake Avenue.

          • Paul

            Scuttlebutt has it that the current owners want to name it after David Ortiz, the great Big Papi. Not only is he black but he’s also an immigrant. More splodey heads in the forecast. Stay tuned.

          • Paul

            That picture is iconic.

            It’s gonna be interesting re-naming that street. Seems the Yawkey Foundation is butthurt and saying “but but but we give money to everybody, regardless of skin color.”

            Money talks and the Yawkey foundation was funded with the proceeds from the sale of the Red Sox to Henry/Werner et al.

            I don’t think it’ll be a slam dunk. Lots of dirty Boston politics is about to happen. “Shame about that grant request for your neighborhood councilor.”

        • BosGrl

          I’m on my way… as soon as ex gets here to hang out with the kid.

          • Atheist

            Stay safe out there!

          • Paul

            Stay a safe distance and try to keep your head down, please.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            be safe friend.

          • Paul

            Did you make it in time? Seems like they bailed once the march got close.

          • BosGrl

            I did! Just posted some pictures up post.

          • Paul

            Great! Thanks for representin’. I’ll go find those.

        • CafeenMan

          San Francisco has an idea of how to deal with a supremacist rally:

          http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/san-franciscans-busy-organizing-crappy-gift-for-white-supremacists/

          Seems a little self-defeating though. Each person caught doing it could be fined and the more people who do it the more the people doing it have to dodge the previous gifts. :)

          • Paul

            Priceless.

            I’d donate to a GoFundMe site to help pay for those tickets. Somehow I have an inkling not a ton of tickets will be written. “Sorry about that chief. I slipped in dogshit and dropped my ticket book into a different pile. Can I have hazardous duty pay now?”

    • Atheist

      “We denounce the politics of supremacy and violence.”

      Oh SURE they reject supremacy. They just think men are naturally good at most everything.

      • JCfromNC

        White men.

        • Bobathonic

          Such a burden.

      • Suttree

        ‘Cept sammich making.

  • azeyote

    whatever cut wonkette toddler gets has to get bigger now –

    • Bobathonic

      Yep, now that she has a speaking role.

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos
  • BREAKING NEWS: LIBERAL NAZIS TAKE OVER BELOVED TOWN OF CULLMAN, AL. WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE FAMILY DOLLAR STORES?!?

    According to my always interesting FaceBook thing several REAL AMERICANS in Cullman, AL were alarmed to discover the local newspaper is NO LONGER FLYING THE AMERICAN FLAG!!! PROBABLY DUE TO A LIBERAL TAKEOVER! CULLMAN IS OUTRAGED!

    “Hey guys, the pulley on their flagpole broke and I’m on my way over to fix it.” was the obvious FAKE NEWS response from the guy that fixes flagpoles in Cullman.

    WHEN WILL OUR SUFFERING AND OPPRESSION END?!?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e5af7f5ff38ba77f75d3ac644d6bad1dac638508230cc0bc82290a2c1e69d0bf.jpg

    Just imagine how BEAUTIFUL this view once was with a tattered little Chinese-made flag waving her glory over Cullman?

    EDIT: I know most of you guys think its evil and dumb, but personally I wouldn’t give up my crazy FaceBook page for anything, not even for A HUNDRED DOLLARS.

    • Perkniticky

      Oh the humanity.

    • I hope said local newspaper, which likely has catered to this shit for years, is enjoying their sudden celebrity

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      this is what drives me fucking nuts about RWNJ’s (besides their politics).

      Okay, you had a suspicion and without even second guessing it, you went straight to a conspiracy theory and jumped the gun and made a claim publicly.

      Understandable…BUT! When word comes out there’s an innocent explanation, instead of saying “fair enough,” it devolves into increasingly stupid ideas.

      “No flag! [insert Insane theory]”
      “The pulley thing was broken.”
      “Fake news!”
      “No really, here’s the email we sent to the repair guy.”
      “Fake Emailz!”
      “Here’s the repair guy’s phone number, he’ll tell you.”
      “Fake Repair GUY!”
      “Hi, I’m the repair guy, it’s totally true.”
      “Conspiracy!”

      • The thing that bugs me is that they even notice this shit. Who the fuck cares if a local newspaper is flying the flag today or not? Would any of us give it a second guess aside from huh, flag not up today? Weird.
        Then we would go on with life.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          There’s an ex-marine’s house on my way to the bank, doctor’s office and local wal-mart. (You know he’s ex-marine cause it says so on his truck).

          I noticed, I think after Orlando, that he had lowered it to half mast. I thought good on him and told you guys about it.

          So, sometime this week, I’m driving by and see his flag is lowered, but not quite down to half.

          For a split second, I wondered, “i wonder if that’s cause she was a liberal who was against the confederate statues.”

          Then I thought, “nah, that’s fucking stupid”. And haven’t thought about it since.

      • The Wanderer

        A couple years back, the Tennessee Capitol building was renovated. One of the new things was a proper deep sink in the janitor’s closet – one of those almost floor-level things that sits in a corner. Two members of the TN lege erupted in a tsunami of right-wing pus, saying that it was a ritual foot bath for Muslims and was a sign that sharia law was creeping into the Volunteer State. They crawfished hurriedly when people started mocking them for it.
        This is literally nothing new, and it’s sad.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          oh man, i had forgotten about that, but remember it clearly.
          (course, Tenn. republican doesn’t mean much to me and I’m from Texas).

        • Suttree

          They should have had to empty 1,000 full mop buckets into a waist high sink for penance. Assholes!

      • Edith Prickly

        Well, when your whole life revolves around the idea that liberals/commies/Muslims/globalists/lizard people are conspiring against you, everything looks suspicious.

    • Left Coast Tom

      Aren’t there any guns that the “patriotic” folks in Cullman, Alabama could be humping in the absence of their flag?

      • Paul

        Bibles also too.

      • We played Cullman in high school football. They are a buncha wimps. Their band sucked, too.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      not even for A HUNDRED DOLLARS

      Missing ‘mwahahaha’.

  • The Wanderer

    God-bothering dingbat evangelical preacher man A.R. Bernard of some NYC megachurch is the first one to bail on Lord Dampnut’s religious affairs advisory board, citing in his letter of resignation “a deepening conflict in values between myself and the administration.”

    Making the assumption that Bernard, being from NYC, knew Trump before he became the neo-Nazi God-Emperor, you might expect that he would have wanted nothing to do with the orange shitgibbon. Of course, power and its aphrodisiac properties can also entice supposedly ‘godly’ priests.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      only took a literal week.

      • The Wanderer

        Yep. Apparently wrestling with your ‘conscience’ can take a while.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Wrestling? He let Trump give a clothesline to whatever pathetic excuse for a “conscience” he had like it was a common CNN logo.

      • 210 days. Fixed that for ya

        • Msgr_MΩment

          21 Mooches.

          • The preferred measurement of time in the Trump era

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I hereby declare “the Mooch” as an actual phrase meaning 10 days.

      • BosGrl

        only took a literal weak – FIFY

    • Shorter Bernard: I see the writing on the wall and I am getting out while I can

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        “The take from the collection basket has been down of late.”

        • oooo I hope so. I hope these mega church fucks start bleeding money.
          THAT would be a very nice sign from God.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          Trump attending your services will do that.

          • Paul

            Unpossible. I’m CERTAIN he throws handfuls of thousand dollar bills into the basket. He gets them from one of his “charities”

        • Paul

          There ya go!! Nailed it.

  • Three Finger Salute

    OK, I took a break from this madness for a few days, and apparently some bigly shit happened. 13 dead in Spain in a terrorist attack — that our very own Generalissimo Ronaldo McDonaldo, was quick to condemn RIGHT AWAY on Twatter, and didn’t accuse “both sides” of “triggering” the van drivers (because the Moors — er, Moops — are bad, m’kay, and he’s expecting another Spanish inquisition any day now).

    Now I come to find out BANNON IS FIRED? Jesus S. Thompson, the walls really are falling down! And I’m glad, but with a caveat: I just wish that it didn’t have to be Pence filling the void when Hair Dumpsterfire finally retreats to his bunker. Or Ryan. Or… AOT,K, assholes all the way down.

    But, since beggars can’t be choosers, I’ll take what I can get for now.

    • weejee
      • Three Finger Salute

        Yep, he changed it from “H. Christ” because it wasn’t badass enough.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      otoh, I’m encouraged to discover that one really can remove oneself from the madness. You either have epic self-control, or you found the last Wifi-free spot on the planet.

      • My current place of work is mostly wifi free, but methinks that is by design

    • tehbaddr

      Did the same. Took two days off Wonkette, the Nazi shit was getting to me.

    • little miss high and mighty

      Yeah, the old,weird blobby Sicko Steve could have hung around a bit longer and scarred us up some tasty backlash-given us lefties an easy target-furnished our gang with a convenient foil….(well-oiled machinery of foe)
      But,Nooooooooo,
      he had to go an get his Breitbarty,crapass fired (or:”you’re quitted!”) so now President Pence can smoothe his smoothey self into effective fire range and gain the love from the pulpits and synagogues so lacking Trump l’oeil. The new ungent agent, Mike would thus get lubricated into 2 or more terms (sic) t east the remaining 3 of Trump l’oeil then 8 of his own without the baggage ballast he would have had.
      Conjunctive is in order now…
      POTUS Pence a near certainty
      Who, We ask you, WHO will pick up the greasy slack now that Slithery Steve is benched?
      Paul the Putz on deck.
      We actually needed that (now flow) ballast

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Here’s hoping for a powerful yet peaceful counter-protest today:

    https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/898912237611491331

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance
    • Spurning Beer

      I think they both secured employment working for the local milk people.

    • SayItWithWookies

      They’ve both run their own companies — and so they’ve probably been told by their underlings “We get so much more done when you’re not in the office,” that their natural tendency is to disappear when the real work needs to happen.

  • WomanInThePersistence

    I genuinely do not understand why white evangelicals still support Trump. Why? What is wrong with them?

    • JCfromNC

      Because they were promised political power for years by the GOP and thought Trump was their big “in”, finally.

    • altleftjohn

      How much time do you have?

    • Few reasons from the evans I know personally:
      The think he is the literal Anti Christ that will usher in the Rapture. So they have to support him because God wants a rapture.
      Money. They’re getting a ton of money defending God against those godless libtards.
      Power: What JC said

      • WomanInThePersistence

        How can they possibly sleep at night? I am seriously not snarking. I know white people who are Christianists-not Evangelicals-who are horrified by this. How can people who claim to be super duper Christians support this?

        • Bub, the cynical zombie

          A very good question. I wish I had an answer.

        • Courser_Resistance

          Evangelicals are a different breed. The Christians I know are mostly people of color and are horrified and terrified. All I can do is promise them that I stand with THEM not the fucking racists.

        • How can people who claim to be super duper Christians support this?

          There is an appropriate bible quote for this.
          Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

          16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

          17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

          18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

          19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

          20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

        • shivaskeeper

          They are Christian in name only. There are only four things the modern fundies hold as matters of faith. A new Bebbington Quadrilateral: Be anti-evolution, be pro forced-birth, be anti-LGBT, and believe the bible in 100% inerrant.

          They don’t even really require the belief in Jesus anymore.As long as they mouth the right words and claim to be forgiven they are good on that part.

          • and believe the bible in 100% inerrant

            Except for those commie words in red. You can skip those.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            That wacky Jesus. I’m so glad somebody else knows about the words in red.

          • Paul

            About that inerrant bible. I have a lot of fun acting all puzzled at how Genesis 2 directly contradicts Gen. 1, TWICE. In Gen.1 Adam and Eve are created at the same time. Gen 2 is the rib bullshit.

            Further, in Gen 1 all the critters are made before Adam and Eve.
            In Gen 2 they are created after, and A&E name them.

            Makes for splodey heads.

          • shivaskeeper

            It starts there. Four legged bugs. Bats are birds. Unicorns and Leviathan. Where did the water for the flood come from and go to. And on and on. Of course I only do this to the literalists. The one who treat the Bible as a history and science book.

            There is a whole branch of the religion called Apologetics that is specifically just for arguing how the inconsistencies aren;t really inconsistencies.

          • Paul

            Oh hell yeah. I’m familiar with all that, as well as the Apocrypha, decided at the Council of Nicea.

            I don’t go into all that though. They usually walk away muttering on the Genesis thing. “How can you believe it’s ALL true when your holy book contradicts itself TWICE in the FIRST TWO PAGES??!!”

            Hopefully I’ve installed a seed of doubt that may flower later. Baby steps with baby thinkers.

      • Courser_Resistance

        At least we agree on something – Cheeto as the Anti-Christ.

        However, I expected the Anti-Christ to be a fuck of a lot smarter than that dumbass. Disappointing! SAD! No Stamina!

      • georgiaburning

        Supporting the anti-Christ to bring about the rapture? Didn’t they read the later chapter that tells what happened to those who supported the anti-Christ?

        • Oh but see, they are not supporting him, they are supporting Gods Will you see.
          No, these fucks do not read the bible. Especially anything that contradicts what they want.

          • georgiaburning

            What kind of lame God is that? When the Almighty God wants a rapture, we don’t need to help, it happens!

          • shivaskeeper

            The same one who is onmi-everything enough to create the universe and everything in it, but can be thwarted by a SCOTUS decision.

            His power is inconsistent.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          and why would they support Trump being the anti-christ, when they fucking RAILED against Obama being the anti-christ.

          oh right, hypocrisy.

        • CripesAmighty

          I have found the flaw in your reasoning: “read”.

    • Suttree

      Because with the exception of attending church and believing in gawd, I am more Christian in my acts than they are.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      Evangelicals are literaly those people Christ kicked out of the temple.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        I’ve known a few who were decent people. Really. I’m genuinely astonished by this.

        • shivaskeeper

          It’s generally the SBC fundies. The real evangelicals don;t like being lumped in with them. But it’s become shorthand to lump all evangelicals and fundies under the term evangelical.

      • spangled

        and lots of the megachurch pastors and televangelists who lead them are literally indulgence sellers. they tell poor and sick people that god will save them, for just two easy payments of $19.99.

        joel osteen’s net worth is 40 million dollars.

        • Robbertjan Brandenburg

          Jeebus he knows me and he knows I am right.

    • SayItWithWookies

      Let’s see — the literalists have spent all their lives believing the earth is 6000 years old, the rapture is going to happen any minute now, the Grand Canyon was formed during the flood, any number of afflictions are caused by demons and can be cured by casting them out — hell, believing Assmouth is a good president is the least far-fetched of the things they’ve accepted as true.

      • shivaskeeper

        They don;t even have to think he’s a good President. God can install the ungodly to achieve godly aims. They will use King David as an example.

        • This. God can instill an ungodly president and achieve godly goals.
          I have heard this a LOT lately.

    • shivaskeeper

      Mostly the SBC was founded in defense of slavery and hasn’t come to terms with that yet. When they can;t even be honest about their faith and attempt to address something that huge, how are they supposed to be honest with anyone else?

      Plus they have tied their faith to the GOP so tightly, there is no daylight between them.

      Toss in some power, a lot of money, and a basic hatred of everyone not in their tribe and you get this.

      There are a shit load of other reasons, but I’m sure others will cover them.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        I know about the SBC, and wouldn’t the people there be astonished to find out thar the reason there is a separation between church and state is because of Baptists? And the abolitionist movement is why it’s the SOUTHERN Baptist Church.

        It still makes no sense at all.

        • shivaskeeper

          You don;t have to have internal consistency when you can win every argument with, “God did it.”

          Fundies and evangelicals are technically different, but the media in general, started by the fundies themselves, have been lumping the two groups together for a long time.

          The fundies know being called a Fundy is not good press, but being called an Evangelical is. Fundies are hateful bigots who are against all change anywhere, ever, for any reason. Evangelicals just want to spread the good word.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            That’s a good point. It would be interesting to see if there is a difference in Trump’s support between these two groups.

          • shivaskeeper

            There is. The actual evangelicals I know, the ones who haven’t co-opted the term, tend to be very left leaning. They take the Bible’s admonishments for social justice very seriously, among other differences.

          • little miss high and mighty

            Exactly, we lefties and leftyers and leftissimas need to get some of the church goer and /or temple,mosque,meetin’house folks on or side.MLK, Einstein, J.S.Bach and the Berrigans,John Brown,Mother Jones and Bams (BHO),hisself were all believers-you want to alienate them?
            We find waaay waaay too much toomuch God-shaming on the left and that is why the nasties are so smug about our defeat on Nov.9 (known as 9.11 over here-11.9 (Kristallnacht dontchaknow).
            Allienating the believers is no way to gain the house (&etc) in upcomming electorial contests.
            Remember-Tolerate everything except….
            (wait for it, you know the deal)…
            Intolerance.
            Caveat, of course-Voltaire (like Kant& too many others) was a rascist antisemite materialist.So,do what they say (ed) ,not what they do (did).

          • shivaskeeper

            The problem is this is not a mess I can help clean up. It has to be done by the actual Evangelicals. Unfortunately the fundies have the loudest voice in the room. They have co-opted the religion into he worship of the GOP and money. I can’t fix that, the Muslims can’t fix it, the UU Church can’t fix it, nor can the Catholics, or anyone outside. It can only be done internally, within the church politics itself.

            There are something like 16M Southern Baptists in the United States. They are not all white fundies, but you would think they are and their numbers should be higher because they have the loudest voice. They own the TV and radio stations. They have the money to publish glossy magazines and host big money websites. They have influence that far outstrips their numbers because they have the money.

            Possibly another schism would work, or more and more churches breaking away if a full schism isn’t feasible. Again, though, it’s their own problem to fix.

          • little miss high and mighty

            still, somebody needs to get to (and with) them before Pence gets in and cleans up the vote market, some of which rightfully belongs to righteous Dems.
            Remeber, it was the Catholic Center that faced off against the NSDAP first, wasn’t it?
            Maybe we should hope (some would pray, I suppose) for Il Duce Secondo to remain in the WH-ineffective and upopular.
            Some Evangelical conscience might meanwhile kick in.
            Trump goes away too fast we end up with Mike and Paul as effectives in their ranks. That’s why we here aren’t so thrilled with the departures of Monfort, Priebus and bannon.
            They were the ones really showing the flag, right?
            Wouldn’t Pence, Ryan & Co (Hatch etc) energize the CINO s?

          • shivaskeeper

            I have to disagree on a few of those points.

            Pence won;t be able to do anything. He is a failed hard line GOPer politician form a hard line red state. He has no friends and allies at the Federal level and he for damn sure does not have the cult of personality to hold whatever base Two Scoops has together. Add the fact that he is hardcore Baptist and will try to get HIS particular religion to be the top of the heap and he will get more than significant push back from the rest of the Christian sects, let alone the none Christians. The question that needs to be asked is how long do you think the Catholics will be allowed to be Catholic if the fundy Baptists get their way. The Catholics and all the rest know the answer.

            As for the Evangelicals, I try to separate them from the fundies that have co-opted the name. But that is their fight to have. I am not a Baptist and no one who isn’t one is going to be able to go in and tell them to ckean house. It has to be done internally.

            As for the Fundies they gave up their conscience and moral authority in the pursuit if money and power long ago. They know it, we know it, and everyone else knows it. The trick is going to be to get people to admit it and stop treating them like they still have any credibility there. That I’m not sure how to do in an acceptable way.

            Two Scoops has to go. As it is, the damage he has caused will take a generation to even get back to where we were, let alone make progress. The longer he stays in place, the worse it’s going to be. He, himself, may be ineffective, but some of the people he has gotten put in place are not. Gutting the EPA, killing the safety net, skewing the field even more toward corporations, letting he Randian crazies do what they want to do, and more is happening behind the scenes. at the various agencies. He and his picks need to be weeded out.

          • little miss high and mighty

            What about Ol chubby Rick who prayed at Barry’s Inog.?
            Can’t we reason with some of these braying fence sitters?

          • shivaskeeper

            Doubtful. If you are religious would you take religious and spiritual advice and correction from someone outside your sect? They absolutely must fix it internally.

            The best we can do is shame them into shutting up and stop giving them any deference when they claim the moral high ground.

            For some of them there is no reasoning with them at all. They are lost until they decide not to be lost anymore. Huckabee is good example of this. He is either deliberately lying wen he speaks or he is a true believer if his own bullshit. Either way there is no reasoning with that. Either he stops lying or he stops believing patently insane things as facts. Until he does there is nothing to say to him. He will not debate or argue or listen in good faith. You’d be more effective trying to reach a brick wall.

            Understand, I’m not saying there aren’t liberal Christians, or Christians that don’t believe in social justice as outlined by Jesus. I am saying those liberal Christians or whatever sect are the ones that need to fix this.

      • Cock Blockula

        I remember growing up that there were a few Baptist families in my neighborhood. The father of one of these families was a minister?pastor?preacher (whatever they are called). My mother used to criticize the Baptists for their wackier beliefs I asked her about my friend whose father was the pastor. “Oh, they’re Northern Baptists. They’re not as weird as those Southern ones.”

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Trump has given them room to advance their no-abortion/no-gays political agenda, and put their choice of jurist into the SCOTUS seat that McConnell stole.

    • natoslug

      Because they hope he’ll bring about the end of the world, and that’s pretty much the whole point of their religion?

    • Lefty Wright

      Most of the ones I know are no longer christian, they are strictly anti-abortion proponents. You could have a guy in a red devil costume, horns, tail and all, spouting hate, violence, and harm for the less fortunate and they would give him their total support as long as he claimed he was against abortion. They proved that by voting for Trump.

    • Snopes Shop

      They’re dumb.

  • armed_bears

    all our salaries are paid by YOU! Yes, you right there, and you really are looking nice today.

    I am sitting in the kitchen in my undies. So, I think, not.

    • Courser_Resistance

      I’m on the couch in my undies and haven’t even combed my hair yet. But I’m comfy, so that counts for something. Also too, I live alone. So ipto facto – I am a young, gorgeous princess!

      • NastyBossetti

        I’ve already walked the dog, been to the gym, showered, put on clothes, brushed my hair, and now I’m finally enjoying some coffee with my Wonkette fix. This is probably where my “productivity” ends for the day.

      • tehbaddr

        Huzza!

    • tehbaddr

      Undies? You fancy!

  • SadDemInTex

    Nostalgia….remember when we were young and carefree and could laugh at the idiot who was triggered by a Vogue cover? Was that 20 years ago? I was young then and had some hope.

    • shivaskeeper

      I don;t believe I have ever even heard of someone being triggered by a Teen Vogue cover before.

      • SadDemInTex

        Check your irony meter…it is malfunctioning.

        • shivaskeeper

          Saturday morning. Not an unusual occurrence.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Canadians were ready to torch Parliament Hill over a Rolling Stone cover a few weeks ago. So sadly, this isn’t exclusive to Americans. Although, it was mostly the butthurt Crappers and Dippers having the flames fanned by Fucker Carlson, so not surprisingly there’s still a U.S. connection.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    Wonkette Babby-Wonkette Grandbabby-Wonkette Niece girl group or gtfo

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Singing Wonk kids?

    Here is mine!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zURDrOZQoPM

    • rebecca

      LA LA LA LA LA

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        He got the lyrics perfect amirite?

      • little miss high and mighty

        We suggest getting Maestra D.R. a copy of Charley Haden’s (yeah THE C.H.) recordings as a toddler. He was all over those Iowa (&etc) AM stations in those live family hour programs. A recent tribute album of tiny Charley (with and w/o family accompaniment). Big (tiny) star -went on to outer space and beyond with Ornette and many , many others.
        Tip top bass and excellent example of what we call Human Being.
        His kiddie recordings are a revelation.
        Bongoes are a good starter instrument-or kazoo-later she can move up to theramin or maybe a Strad (avarious) or T-caster (pre- 1965 would be best on the strat. Any model kazoo works- ‘specially for festivals and nosey neighbors- and peace and justice rallies.

  • Reximus
    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      And even more proud to have a BA in Arts and Humanities on my resumé.

      • weejee

        And this terminal STE(M) grad is please you’re thinkin’ that, as you should be.

        • Robbertjan Brandenburg

          Thank you, There is always this little condescending look on the “soft” degrees.

    • Three Finger Salute

      I can’t read the tweet, what does it say?

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Every paragraph starts with a certain letter spelling
        R
        E
        S
        I
        S
        T

  • BosGrl

    Oh dear God. Is anyone watching Joy? The new term for racist pigs is “Western chauvinist”.

  • Fartknocker

    Mrs. Fartkncoker made me become slightly hungover last night because she made peach ice tea with nice bourbon and somehow I caught a cold when it was 101F in Austin yesterday. And she loves me. Then I awoke, performed extensive personal hygiene (unlike that yucky, gross Bannon guy), and while she’s out playing with her girlfriends I see Baby Rose singing a song and a black Labrador guarding the Wonkette HQ. Check is in the mail Editorix and it’s going to be a great day. WITB,B! (Wonkette is The Best, Bitches)

  • weejee
  • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

    This will be happening in a few hours:

    I have a relative (by marriage) who was a Nazi skinhead in the 1980s (when he was just a kid). He grew up, joined the Marines, saw the error of his White Power ways, met a lovely lady, got married, and had two wonderful kids (well – the little girl is wonderful, the little boy is a baby with potential).

    Here’s the problem: I’ve known this guy since his Nazi days (the family is fairly close). Although he stopped being and actual Nazi years ago, he has always been conservative to the point of cruelty. When I was diagnosed with my third cancer and my private insurance dropped me (pre-Obamacare) he made a point of telling everyone in the family that healthcare is a privilege not a right, and those of us who can’t afford it should just drop dead. So: an uneasy relationship to be sure.

    I’m going out to visit with this guy today, and his mother has just informed us that she thinks that Charlottesville has “reactivated” his Nazi past (we know that he voted for Trump, but we never talk politics for a reason).

    I’m going out there for the kids, because the little girl gets upset whenever there’s a family gathering and I’m not there. She asks for me all the time, and I want to be there for her.

    I just bought a small (and very tasteful) Star of David pendant (even though I’m a lifelong, devout atheist). I bought it because the Nazis are marching to instill fear, and I’m going to respond with pride. I’m hoping that wearing it will make it very clear where I stand politically (as if he didn’t know), and help avoid any political conversation. If things get political it will get ugly fast, and the family could split.

    Fuck.

    • altleftjohn

      You’re a better person than I am. Condolences.

      • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

        Thanks. I’m just hoping that his mother is wrong.

    • NastyBossetti

      Good luck. Whether to not he’s a nazi today, he sounds like a difficult person to be around.

      • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

        Thank you.

        Here’s the crazy thing: he’s very, very smart, and he’s a good father to those kids (as far as I know).

        The whole thing is mind-boggling.

    • BrianW

      Come back here and vent if you need to. You know we will commiserate. Also, you’re going for the kids, not for him. As my wife keeps telling me about some things, “It’s the right thing to do.” Unfortunately for me, she’s usually right.

    • Umh. If someone told me that healthcare was a privilege and not a right when I had cancer and I should drop dead, that would NOT be an uneasy relationship. I would remind him of that shit every time I could. But I am not nice.

      • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

        I’m usually the peacemaker in any given situation. I’ve found it to be a good life strategy.

        That may end today.

        • Maggielle

          Play with the children. Read to them. Hug them.

          • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

            I’m giving the little girl a vintage copy of Alice in Wonderland.

            The little boy is getting a fairly awesome stuffed badger.

            There will be singing.

        • I was once the peacemaker. I no longer am after this last family reunion. Every stupid derp I- calmly, I was calm!- put down wit facts. They stopped all shocked that someone countered them. I am sure they prayed for my soul.
          :hugs:
          But srsly, my racist relations never told me I was better off dead. That shit is whack

          • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

            This is my husband’s family. I don’t want to be the one to pull the (metaphorical) trigger. He’s already so torn up about this.

          • Well, you could be the better person. Smile and tell him he is wrong, then play with the kids and enjoy yourself.
            I like your star thing though, that is a nice lil polite bless your heart XD

        • proudgrampa

          You are in my thoughts.

          From deep personal experience, it is sometimes better to love your family at arm’s length.

        • If you find yourself in a position in which you cannot be a peacemaker, let the girl know that she can always count on your love, even if you can’t abide her father. The kids are going to need influences to counter their father’s hate.

          • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

            Yep – that’s the plan.

          • Stay at the Children’s Table, the conversation will be better.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Damn. That’s a crazy situation.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Sounds like a fraught situation. I hope things go better than you expect.

    • Iron Monkey

      In my family your in-law would have been shunned by many and punched or slapped by a few. Even if he was drunk–I assume he was–that would be unacceptable to anyone.

    • Persistent Demme

      What a toxic asshole he is.
      I would turn my back on him, if he tried to approach.

      Just play with the children.

  • Jeffocaster in the West

    We waved to Dok as we drove by on I-84 on our way to central Oregon…….but there is no good coffee or milk in our Hostess’ house!!!!!!! Time to find a coffee shop………….Pacific Daylight Time………….BAH!

    • natoslug

      THE ONLY REAL TIME!!11!!!!!11111!!!! I have coffee. But I’m not sharing.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Welcome to the edge of the western universe

    • WomanInThePersistence

      There is nothing wrong with PDT. Nothing. And it’s not mythical.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Central Oregon? You joining a well-regulated militia?

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    I think dreaming up names for an org that result in a cute acronym is fucking annoying, but Iike this:

    “Michael Flowers, an activist from Roxbury who helped organize the Coalition to Organize and Mobilize Boston Against Trump (COMBAT)

    • natoslug

      If Michael wanted a decent acronym, he would have gone with Coalition to Lick Idiot Trumpsters and Overthrow Racist Incompetent Supremacists. Keep your org all stealthy, something the enemy would never believe exists.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        The enemy would never find it.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    I have been astonished (I know I shouldn’t be) at my liberal, including a number of BernieBot, friends* who are espousing leaving the statues in place to “teach about our slaveholding past.” Um, how about memorials to the victims, and statues of their liberators? Will this somehow not teach us about our slaveholding past?

    *I have lost an astonishing number of friends on both sides over this, after surviving the entire Drumpf campaign and Presidency.

    • Bobathonic

      How much does it take to teach “slavery = bad”?

      • Snopes Shop

        This.

    • rebecca

      I’m seeing a lot of people ask why we’re “focusing” on statues this week — because Nancy Pelosi called to bring the ones in the Capitol down, after people got arrested doing it for themselves. If it had been anyone else, it would have been a sensible call for equality and justice.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        I saw that thing about Rev. Barber saying focus on the ideology, not the statues.

        Problem is, we can’t do much about the ideology – but the statues are an easy fix to a blight and we can do both, IMHO.

      • miss_grundy

        But she is a woman–so uppity…./s

      • Persistent Demme

        I wonder if this “justifying-the-statue” thing has to do with the so-called “progressive” people around here (SF) that want to primary her.
        Just wondering.

    • natoslug

      Have none of these people heard of books? Of education? Hell, if nothing else, of watching a fucking movie on the subject? Monuments to traitors trying to tear the country apart are never appropriate. Unless it’s that naked Trump statue, and it’s placed somewhere we can all piss on it.

    • To all the “Teach us of History”ask them “Do people not have books, or internet anymore?”
      Shuts em up fucking quick.
      The can leave them up- but how about POC get to pick out new plaques for them? That seems fair.

      • Snopes Shop

        Can you imagine being a POC and having to pass a fckng statue of Robert E Lee every day?

      • miss_grundy

        There are these buildings called “libraries” which have books on history and other subjects. And they have people called “librarians” who can help you find all sorts of information. And if you fill out a form they will give you a card so you can even take books home with you. Isn’t that amazing.😊😊😊

    • Wolf Tracker

      Destroying the monuments doesn’t destroy the ideology and they can be used for teaching purposes. I think that is what some Liberals are saying.

      Don’t use this situation to divide Liberals.

      • They cannot be used for teaching purposes, except if we are teaching that we still have to cuddle that ideology to “keep the peace”
        It is a bullshit stance, and a weak one. If they want them to teach history, move them to a museum and off the public squares, and give people a friggin book.

        • Wolf Tracker

          Schools take students on field trips to see these monuments and use them as teaching moments to explain the history of slavery and civil rights movement all the time so yes they are used for teaching purposes.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            as noted, if that’s the point, put up one to the slaves and abolitionists and those that fought the Confederates.

          • Wolf Tracker

            I agree with that completely and put them side by side.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            why? it’s a false dishonest representation of terrible people.

            Come on, I wouldn’t leave up a statue of hitler as some stern bu ff leader and build one to the victims of the holocaust next to it.

            Sorry, but I TOTALLY disagree on this one.

          • natoslug

            Considering that the statues were put up well after the war, and were meant to intimidate, I see nothing wrong with pulling that shit down. As you say, put up statues of people who actually were in the right.

          • NastyBossetti

            Oops! I accidentally down voted this. I think I corrected it, though.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            if you click again it goes away – I just did it to you by accident.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Pointing out it was a failed and dangerous ideology is the point right?

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            NO!
            That’s pretty obvious.

            The point is tear down what was once built to celebrate these fuckheads and intimidate the black folks.

            Everybody knows it would END nazism, but we’re working to take down things that CELEBRATE it.

            we don’t have to tolerate them.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            whoops – should have said, “WOULDN’T END”

          • Wolf Tracker

            Hitler and the Nazi’s felt that way about the Jews. Tearing down their monuments, businesses, and destroying anything Jewish.

            Just something to think about.

          • Allies thought that way about Hitler. That one worked pretty good.

          • Wolf Tracker

            My father fought in WW2, one brother in Korea and one in Vietnam.

            They fought for the right of people to have freedom of speech. Even when they disagree with that speech.

          • Freedom of speech does not mean you get to put up statues, in public spaces, of people who tried to own slaves. It only means you can say what you want and the government cannot arrest you.

          • Wolf Tracker

            So statues are not speech but art and other exhibits are?

            Sure you want to cross that line?

          • Statues of people who fought a literal war to own human beings because they wanted to remain rich?
            Damn straight I want to cross that line. Not in a public space. Move them to the confederate cemeteries or one of the hundreds of civil war museums. Where, you know, you teach history in context.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            it’s the public land part that’s key here.

            They can do all they want with private property.

          • Hell, even some public land. Appropriate to put them up in a confederate cemetery.
            Context would be good there.

          • Snopes Shop

            The statues aren’t speaking

          • natoslug

            How do you know? I’ve seen the documentary “Night at the Museum” and know that some of these statues likely have a rich inner life. A rich, cousin-fucking, slavery-loving, racist inner life.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Then why remove them if not for what you think they are saying?

          • Snopes Shop

            Why remove them? Are you freaking kidding me? Have you been watching the news?

          • natoslug

            I’m thinking he did Nazi the news this week.

          • Because of this discussion right here. You have gone, real fast, into it is fascist and just what hitler would do!!! Real fast.
            It is not what the statues are saying. It is what the proponents of the statues are doing; mostly, driving cars into crowds and threatening to shoot everyone around them.
            We do not glorify a failed and dangerous ideology. We should cease supporting the glorification of a failed and dangerous ideology.

          • natoslug

            I must have missed the moment in history when Jews tried to break Germany apart, destroy the nation.

          • Wolf Tracker

            That is exactly what Hitler claimed they were doing.

          • natoslug

            Which has fuck-all to do with these statues.

          • Wolf Tracker

            So we fight fascism by being fascists?

          • It is fascist to tear down statues- that are in public spaces which means the government supports the ideology- of men who fought to own other human beings?
            THAT is fascism?
            Weird. Coulda sworn it would be the other way to say no, you can have what you want on your private land, but public land belongs to ALL the people, not just yours.

          • natoslug

            Not in the slightest.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            and he was wrong about that.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i see your point, but they and others who try to erase a people do it to eradicate all memory of them from earth.

            We aren’t using the state to destroy their businesses, or their churches – but we don’t have to let a turd sit on the rug either.

          • natoslug

            These are statues to a false ideology. There is no point in having them up. Especially in states that weren’t even in existence during the Civil War.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            His point, from what I can tell, is what’s the difference between group A pulling group B’s statue statue down because of their opinions about it and Group B doing the same to group A.

            Now, yeah, we KNOW the confederates were bigoted, slaving, traitors – but the other side might argue the same about MLK or Lincoln or whatever.

            THIS why I don’t advocate mobs pulling them down. If there’s some sea change in culture in 50 years, whose to say that MLK’s statue won’t come down and these confederate one’s go back up.

            I say, well that’s just human.

          • Or states that, you know, went on the other side.

          • Wolf Tracker

            ” but they and others who try to erase a people do it to eradicate all memory of them from earth.”

            They started by erasing the Jewish monuments. books and businesses.

            Concentration camps and gas chambers came later.

            Just pointing out how crossing the line into fascism grows into Nazism.

          • It is NOT crossing the line into fascism to remove these particular statues that were errected with the sole purpose of glorifying men who made war on the United States of America and intimidate people of color.
            That is not what fascism actually IS.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

            Forcing the removal of statues to suppress an ideology sounds pretty much like fascism doesn’t it?

          • No, not these particular statues, it doesn’t.There is no forcible suppression of opposition- removing them from public spaces just means the government does not support that failed and dangerous ideology.
            There is no dictatorial power; the people are wanting this, not a dictator.
            There is no industry or commerce in these statues, rather the opposite; how many POC want to visit a business with one of these beauties outside?
            AAAnnndddd it is more came to prominence in early North American European history.
            So no, not fascism, even a little.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            that’s the key part – the people want this.

          • That and the public land thing and the “It is not history, it is glorification of revisionist history”
            Those too are key

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            agreed.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Sounds more like justifying fascism.

            We must destroy the (fill in the blank) ideology because we object to it.

          • Now you do not want to destroy the “I get to own slaves” ideology at all?
            How about this. Let us not destroy it because we object to it. Let us destroy it because it is fucking wrong to own people. How about that?

          • Rags

            Your logic is appalling. ‘Stop venerating the ideology’ is not ‘destroy the ideology.’

          • To be honest, I am ALL for destroying the ideology in this particular case myself. It really is not ok to own people so you can be rich. It is really not ok to flame racism and tell poor folk that the darks will rape their women in order to get them to fight your war for you.
            It is an ideology I am quite fine with destroying entirely.

          • Rags

            I completely agree, Jen. However, I am trying to point out that it is a false equvalence to equate ‘ceasing veneration’ and ‘destroying.’ Simply, ‘do not honor that which you oppose.’ Wolf seems to have trouble with this.

          • HazooToo

            Also, the ideology that you’re talking about is “I deserve to own black people because I am a superior race”. Not all ideologies are equal, and not all of them deserve to have fucking statues about how the people who died for them were heroes!

          • Quite? If anything, these statues represent fascism, since they are literally people who thought they were a master race and got to own other people.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Will removing the statues end that ideology or reinforce it?

            If you tell someone to stop shooting people by shooting people it is probably not the best way to get your message across.

          • It will end the silent government approval of that ideology!

          • HazooToo

            Removing the statues will send a message that white supremacy is not something to be honored with statues. Furthermore, removing the statues is not the same goddamn thing as putting the statues up in the first place. And it has nothing to do with shooting people, so get the fuck out of here with that shit.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Don’t tell me what to do please and you only assume removing the statues will have the desired affect.

            It won’t.

          • HazooToo

            You only assume that removing the statues will lead to a holocaust against people who have ancestors who fought for the Confederacy. You are seriously saying that people just can’t stop themselves at the logical conclusion, and that they have no ability to understand the difference between removing some statues and oppression. I’m sorry if I tend to think that Nazis and people who don’t like statues that glorify white supremacy are NOT exactly the same.

          • Rags

            I don’t give a rusty fuck whether removing the statues is effective at eliminating racism or not. I just don’t want my community to venerate those racists and if my community agrees, then down they come. And its ‘effect’, not ‘affect’, Mr. Educator.

          • Rags

            Forcing? FORCING?

          • HazooToo

            I really am confused why you keep comparing people who actually did commit treason, and murder and enslave black people, to the Jewish people who were used as a scapegoat by Nazis. Germany has memorials to the victims of the holocaust, but none to the Nazis. Because they recognize the difference between those two groups. There is a big difference between slaves and slave-owning traitors as well. Why should we have ANY statues to the later, and none to the former?

          • natoslug

            Because he really, really likes Nazis?

          • HazooToo

            This entire conversation is just a mind-boggling example of tone-deaf slippery-slope bullshit. I find the underlying theme isn’t “I like Nazis”, but is absolutely “You’re too stupid to understand me”.

          • natoslug

            You are likely correct, but sometimes it feels good to dismiss a clueless twat as forcefully as possible before you finally block them. I can’t bring myself to feeling bad for going Godwin on someone who had the audacity to compare Jews under Nazi Germany to southern revisionist erecting their participation trophies, though.

          • Never go full Godwin. Except with actual nazis ^.^ But then, he started it so…..

          • doktorzoom

            Bingo!

          • Wolf Tracker

            You would be very wrong.

          • You are legit using the argument that the right uses for everything, however. Slippery slope, where will it end?
            Huh, how about with the statues glorifying the guys who fought to own people? It can end there!

          • Wolf Tracker

            Where will it end is the point I am getting at. For now you are in the majority that wants these monuments removed but what happens when you are in the minority that wants an LGBTQ or BLM monument or art exhibit or protest march?

            Fascism is a very slippery slope.

          • It is not fascism to demand our government stop glorifying the noble lost cause.
            It isn’t.
            Move them to private land. Move them to a cemetery or museum. Teaching moment still there and the government is not condoning it.
            Win win!

          • Wolf Tracker

            Moving them. So you are OK that they exist and can be viewed by the public. You just want them moved?

          • I personally do not care what they do with them so long as they are no longer in public space intimidating folk and glorifying your failed and dangerous ideology with tacit government agreement.

          • Wolf Tracker

            My failed ideology?

            You need to grow up because I am not here promoting Nazi ideology and that is plain dishonest of you.

          • Rags

            So you would not agree that the post war German community should have taken down statues of Hitler? If on the other hand you agree it was wrong for them to take them down, how many should they have left up as ‘teaching instruments?’ 1? 100? 10000? Does this help you understand why we are concerned that you are yourself on a slippery slope here?

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i see your point, I do. And I agree with that.

            But, that’s how democracy works, see my other comment about how there could very well be a sea change of political opinion in 50 years.

            At THIS moment, there is large public support to pull those things down.

            As to your general point about “what’s the harm in leaving them up” – the only argument I can make is by analogy.

            Let’s say some fuck wit put up a statue of john wayne gacy in a public square. Sure, a teacher could take a class there and explain what he really did – but if it’s a statue of Gacy looking noble and brave, with a plaque that reads, “He was really interested in his fellow man”, it would be both inaccurate and offensive, no?

          • Wolf Tracker

            I didn’t say there was no harm in leaving these monuments up and yes they can be seen as honoring people that do not deserve that honor but we are moving towards a fascist response to fascism that I think people need to step back and evaluate.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            if the decision is made through proper channels of American-style government, I can’t call that fascist.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Hitler got the majority of Germans to support him in his agenda and then imprisoned or killed those that spoke against him.

            So you would be OK if the state or city supports keeping those monuments right?

          • We are all nazis because we want to remove the precious statues, that you do not actually support being there, except in all your posts about how it is hitler to remove them.
            Again, answer the question: Why not move them to a museum or cemetery where they can be viewed in context, historical context, and off the public square?

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i knew this was coming…that’s why i inserted “American-style” govenrment.

            What hitler and the nazis did was lawless and would have been against our Constitution and laws and national identity.

            And the last line is wrong, I WOULD NOT be okay with it – but I personally would try to change it legally by participating in the process.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Not lawless if you have a majority and change the laws.

            Immoral absolutely.

          • It is not that they can be seen as honoring people that do not deserve that honor.
            It is that they DO honor people who do not deserver that honor.
            With governmental approval.

          • Wolf Tracker

            How you perceive a statue or art exhibit is up to you is it not?

          • Not in this case no. And you are doing that false equivalence thing again.
            These particular statues were erected, with government approval, on public land, for one purpose: To remind black people that they were not really free yet and the whites were still in power.
            Hence why we have a Lee Statue in West Virginia at all- when WVA broke from VA because of the civil war.
            They are not history. They are propaganda. They have no value in a public space at all.

          • Wolf Tracker

            So anyone standing in front of that statue or art exhibit will see it the exact same way as you.

            Is that what you think?

          • I love changing goal posts. First, it was History!!!!
            But their history is bad? And the government should not support that?
            Now it is Art!!!!!!! People view it differently!!!!
            These are not art. They are propaganda. If people view it differently? That is a good reason why they need to come down. Our government should not support the ideology that white is right and people can be owned.

          • Wolf Tracker

            You “They are not history. They are propaganda. They have no value in a public space at all.”

            You made it clear you believe all people should see those statues the same way you do and fuck them if they don’t.

          • Rags

            In your living room, yes. In the community, it is a community decision. That is not facsism, it is democracy,

          • HazooToo

            It’s been evaluated. You’re wrong. It’s your right to be wrong, just as much as it’s my right to think you’re being deliberately obtuse. You know that nobody is going to call for all descendants of Confederates to be executed. You know that nobody is going to go “white southern genocide” after these statues are removed. You keep comparing people who want to stop honoring murderers and slave-owners with Nazis. You are wrong.

          • Wolf Tracker

            You are welcome to your opinion but you are promoting a fascist response to fascism.

          • It is not fascist. We went through that. Not even a little. There is no ideology to these statues that is not “White is right”
            It is not fascist to demand our government stop supporting that.
            Not even a little bit.

          • HazooToo

            Again, you are wrong. I am promoting the removal of statues DEDICATED TO PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO OWN PEOPLE. If someone put up a statue in the front yard of an elementary school honoring the shooter at Sandy Hook, would you fucking defend that, too?

          • Rags

            So is changing into a Nazi apologist. Give it up, dood.

          • Wolf Tracker

            If that is what you think you are very wrong. My father fought in WW2 against the Nazi’s and I fight that ideology here and on many forums all the time.

          • Right. It is a nazi ideology to want to move statues that glorify America’s slave owning past and remind people that white is right.
            THAT is Nazi.
            Instead of the opposite.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Fighting fascism with fascism is not the answer.

          • Once again, it is not fascism to demand symbols of white oppression be removed! It is the opposite of that!

          • Wolf Tracker

            You dishonestly labeled me a Nazi below so I have no interest in discussion with you.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            IT’S NOT FASCISM! By your own definition below, these are local constituents of a local government asking their representatives to take down something awful that offends the community.

          • Wolf Tracker

            The the people showing up and tearing down the statues against what the state decided should stop right?

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            yes it should.

            But the people of this country should continue to lobby their governments (or school boards or whatever) that they are not fit or appropriate for the public square.

          • Rags

            Is that the goalposts I see racing down the field?

          • doktorzoom
          • Wolf Tracker

            The mind set that allows fascism to flourish is the same.

          • HazooToo

            Is your argument that people are too stupid to stop after removing the statues? Do you think that after we take them down, we will immediately start putting Southerners in camps for having an ancestor who fought in the civil war?

          • Wolf Tracker

            Hitler did not call for the killing of Jews at first.

          • HazooToo

            This slope is not fucking slippery! AT ALL! Literally NO ONE is going to kill Civil War descendants!

          • Wolf Tracker

            Many Germans never thought Hitler would actually kill Jews.

          • HazooToo

            What is wrong with you?

          • doktorzoom

            Congratulations! You have now entered the territory of Not Even Wrong.

          • Which is what Hazoo said. So that really is your argument?
            Your argument is really that “Removing these particular statues from the public space they are currently occupying, despite how they were erected to intimidate people and revise history is just as bad as what Hitler did to the Jews.”
            That is your argument.

          • Wolf Tracker

            You dishonestly labeled me a Nazi below so I have no interest in discussion with you.

          • sarafina

            But once Hitler started killing them, the good Germans just let it happen. After the war they pretended they had no idea what was happening in the camps, even with all the smoke from the crematoria.

          • Cause we are as bad as the nazis for trying to squash their free speeches of having public funded statues in a public funded space.

          • natoslug

            Once again, completely false equivalence. Jewish businesses, books, and monuments were not erected to celebrate intimidation, an attempt to tear apart the nation, and the rest of the bullshit behind these last-place participation trophies writ large. But thanks for playing.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Nazi’s felt they were erected for that purpose and wanted that history erased.

          • Persistent Demme

            OMG.
            You ARE calling them the same thing.

            Take a breath.
            OK, I’m done.

          • doktorzoom

            And here, folks, is your slippery slope fallacy…

          • Persistent Demme

            I know you’re not calling them the same thing!

          • doktorzoom

            Oh, goodie. I knew we’d get to a false equivalency eventually. Your comments read like a catalog of logical fallacies.

          • Snopes Shop

            How does a STATUE do that? They’re offensive to a large part of the population so choose another “teaching” technique please.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Which teaching method would work best with people that have ancestors that were slave owners and fought on that side of the civil war?

          • It’s called a book. It has words in it and puts things into context instead of a statue that only teaches “Be proud, look how noble they were!”

          • Wolf Tracker

            Yes as a professional educator for over 20 years in high risk adolescent treatment centers and prisons I have used many books to educate people.

            We also use object lessons and historical monuments and anything that explains how that hate ideology is spread.

          • Field trips are great. How about taking the kids to a slavery museum instead of a statue sitting in the public square?

          • Wolf Tracker

            Absolutely and those are all great ways to teach that history to make permanent changes to ideology and society.

          • And statues making what is bad and wrong noble with lovely plaques about how they were great fathers and generals are NOT great teaching moments, but glorification of the wrong.

          • Rags

            Ah, argument from authority. Rule of holes, dood.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Experience on a subject means something.

          • Rags

            Not based on the evidence at hand.

          • Snopes Shop

            See below: “teach them slavery was bad”.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Explaining the history of how that ideology grew and still persists especially in towns that have those memorials is also effective.

          • Rags

            What? Now racism is genetic?

          • Yes, statues glorifying the noble lost cause is a GREAT way to point out the failed and dangerous ideology!
            Oh wait, no, it does the exact opposite, it glorifies and promotes said failed and dangerous ideology. So there is that.

          • Persistent Demme

            Then it will devolve into a “whose statue is bigger?” fight.
            No.

          • Yeah, no. I have been on those class trips. You want to know what they “teach?”
            And here is General Lee on Trigger! There are some people who think we should not have statues of him, and he did mention when he was dying that he would prefer there were no statues, to heal the wounds of the nation. He was a very noble general and a great tactician”

          • shivaskeeper

            False argument.

            Put up a memorial to the slaves instead. Put up a memorial to the underground railroad. Not to the slaveowners or the people who fought to keep slaves enslaved. Glorifying the perpetrators of injustice is not how any of this should be taught.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Nothing stops you from erecting those statues right along confederate statues right?

          • natoslug

            And nothing says we have to keep the confederate statues up. Although, if they are going to stay up, their plaques should be corrected to be historically accurate. “Here is a monument erected long after the uncivil war to glorify traitors and slavers and to intimidate people of color.”

          • Well, yes, it is called public land. The government would have to erect them.
            And the government needs to stop glorifying the “failed and dangerous” ideology of the south during the civil war by showing how noble the lost cause leaders were by hosting statues to them.
            How about a museum? You still have not answered how it would not be a better teaching moment to put these things in context, in a museum.

          • shivaskeeper

            That’s not the argument. Nothing is stopping that other than money, time, and local zoning boards. The point is and was that monuments are not erected to the perpetrators on injustice to teach about how bad an injustice was.

            History is not taught by glorifying the wrong and immoral and then expecting people to not act like those who were glorified. It is not taught by glossing over or whitewashing the actual truth for some romantic notion of a failed noble cause. What is taught there is that the cause, while if failed, was in fact noble and worth fighting for. We end up with “Heritage, not Hate.” as if that means something profound. As if the heritage had nothing at all whatsoever to do with slavery.

            Go to Germany. Go to Hitler’s bunker. It’s still there. It’s under a parking lot with no marker to it at all. And yet people can remember where it is, what happened in it, and everything that lead up to it. In Germany and all over Europe there are countless memorials to honor WWII. Not a single one of them is a statue to a Nazi or a fascist. They are all to the victims or those that fought against the hateful ideologies. And yet, even without actual Nazi memorials, they know they history and what happened.

            These statues were also put up anywhere from 40-100 years AFTER the war just to remind the darker skinned people what their place in society really was. Fuck that.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            you would have made a great lawyer. Excellent logic and persuasion skills.

          • shivaskeeper

            Thanks. I probably wouldn’t though.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Whether you glorify it is up to you and how you perceive that statue.

            I believe people are intelligent enough to see those statues as a horrific part of our history that should not be repeated.

          • HazooToo

            I believe people are intelligent enough to remove statues that glorify oppression and fascism without engaging in some kind of White Holocaust.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Then that is their decision to make and that decision should be respected and not demanded by an outsider that has probably never even visited that statue or state and wants to force their opinion on others.

          • HazooToo

            I’m sorry, does this plaque say something different if I visit it in person? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0fb29f184a4529c2566370c11172d0bdba73244723a44b09845e7587ffa283b1.png

          • Wolf Tracker

            Teachable moment.

          • HazooToo

            Then put it in a fucking museum where the lesson doesn’t depend on whether the viewer is a white supremacist or not, and where it’s not a constant glorification of white supremacy.

          • doktorzoom

            Pfft. You should be aware that the people of New Orleans decided they no longer wanted that thing in public — it’s headed for a museum, eventurally.

            That’s the original inscription on the now-removed Liberty Place monument, which was the first of the four big Confederate memorials New Orleans removed earlier this year.

            The city was so embarrassed by that bit of “history” that instead of leaving it up as a “teachable moment,” when they moved the monument to a new (still public) location in 1993, they replaced that panel with another that read “In honor of those Americans on both sides who died in the Battle of Liberty Place … A conflict of the past that should teach us lessons for the future.”

          • Rags

            I can hardly wait for the Timothy McVeigh statue in Oklahoma City to teach us that white terrorists are bad.

          • Persistent Demme

            I don’t think people are “intelligent enough” for anything.
            Trump was elected, wasn’t he?

          • shivaskeeper

            Have you been in this country long? Seriously, your going with that line of thought? I’m an optimist for the most part, but I have lived int he South. They know exactly what those statues are for, why they were erected in the first place, and what the legacy of them is.

            It’s about that legacy being endorsed on public and government land.

            They are monuments to a lost, immoral, immoral cause in order to keep the POC down and remind them that they are not allowed to get uppity. Nothing more and nothing less. They are now used also used to try to whitewash the guilt away. That is exactly the reason there are no monuments to the actual slave trade. That is why there are no monuments to the slaves themselves, or the abolitionists. That’s why there are no monuments to the people who tried to spirit slaves out of the South.

            The only good monument that came out of the whole shitshow is Arlington Cemetery. Taking Lee’s property and turning into a graveyard for those his rebellion killed was a fitting memorial.

          • Snopes Shop

            Not necessary. Books and teaching can do that. No one ever took me to see a confederate state for “teaching purposes”.

          • Wolf Tracker

            They can and so can monuments. How you perceive that monument is entirely up to you and I believe most people are intelligent enough to see those monuments as a reminder of our horrific history of slavers and a lesson to not repeat those mistakes.

          • Rags

            This absolutely flies in the face of the true history of these statues. The great majority were put up during the JIm Crow era precisely as objects of veneration of racists and racism.

          • Persistent Demme

            I used to think that “intelligent enough” applied to the US, until Trump was elected.
            Not anymore.

          • sarafina

            Having lived up North, and now in Texas I’d say you REALLY don’t know what you are talking about.

          • Rags

            What part of ‘I am not promoting keeping them there’ didn’t you understand when you typed it 30 minutes ago?

          • Wolf Tracker

            You are just trolling without discussion.

          • Rags

            Really? What part of quoting your own contradictory words back to you represents trolling? Do you agree that a statue in a public place should be for reserved for those we venerate, honor and respect?

          • Persistent Demme

            Why can’t schools take students to a park of statues like they have in ex-Soviet places?

          • sarafina

            Nonsense. Here in Texas I had 2 apparently middle class women tell me how it slavery really wasn’t that bad, the owners had to treat the slaves well to get work from them. I’ve no doubt those women went to plenty of museums and had slavery explained to them in detail. If you want historical statues, put up the winners, not the losers.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        problem is its allows a celebration and romanticization of these guys are noble and shit.

        For a hot minute I thought, just put a plaque on it telling the truth. But only visitors read the plaques, not the people have to drive everyday past these things venerating traitors in defense of slavery,

        • miss_grundy

          Only to the assholes who buy into a romanticized history of the South. These people are willfully ignorant and will stubbornly cling to their beliefs. Just look at the Republicans who still support Twitler.

      • RobKanC

        I dont know man. I don’t see statues of Hitler and Goebbels littered all over Germany to teach them how bad Nazism was.

        • Wolf Tracker

          Did removing those monuments end Nazism in Germany?

          I am not promoting keeping them there and just explaining how removing them doesn’t accomplish a change of ideology.

          • Removing them does not remove the ideology. It DOES however send a strong message that the government does not condone that ideology.

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            Yes, exactly. Those ideas and attitudes have no place in the public square.

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            There is a reason why they don’t allow Nazi symbology in Germany. It becomes a focal point for those (and there will always be some), who wish to perpetuate that ideology. Racism is not going to be eradicated if those statues are all removed, but their removal makes a statement about the non-acceptance of racist beliefs and ideology. It’s an important symbolic step

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            excellent. well said.

          • NastyBossetti

            It does remove a rallying point for white supremacists.
            It’s the very least we can do to try to remove monuments that were put up in order to intimidate black people. Don’t buy into the argument that this has anything to do with history or that these people were heroes. Erection of these monuments spiked during times of racial strife for a century after the war ended, to soothe white people’s feelings about their place in the hierarchy and to remind black people of their place. People of color in America should not have to walk or drive past these celebrations of white supremacy every day of their lives on their way to work and school.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            The people who brought them to justice apparently thought so.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MJzdgZ1lOTA

            SKeep in place or destroy is a false dichotomy, but germany destroyed.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Actually Russians did that I think but if you meant our US soldiers then my father that fought in WW2 fought against an ideology and fascism and for the right of freedom of speech and civil rights of equality under the law.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            No, actually, my father in law was part of the US film crew who blew up the swastika and filmed it.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Hmmm? It was Russians that went in to Berlin but whatever.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            And there you go.

            Your dichotomy is false and you should read.

          • sarafina

            The Russians got there first; but other countries got there. That’s how Berlin got divided.

          • shivaskeeper

            Removing them will not change the ideology, but it will take away a focus point for the ideology. Take away enough of the foci and the ideology will start to wither away.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Not likely. No one even thought about those monuments really until people wanted to remove them which just gave the white supremacists something to rally around.

          • HazooToo

            No one even thought about them? Really? So the previous generations of black people who grew up with these statues dedicated to the white men who fought to keep them enslaved had no opinion of them whatsoever?

          • Wolf Tracker

            Have you spoken to all the black people and get their opinion or just assuming they all think like you do?

          • HazooToo

            Why don’t you go looking? I have seen dozens of black people speaking out in favor of removing the statues. They talk about what the statues MEAN to them, and to their families. We probably wouldn’t even be talking about the fucking statues if black people had not been asking why they even exist for years. Have YOU been speaking to all black people? No. You just assumed that they weren’t even thinking about them until now.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Dozens lol!

            Yup that is what I figured.

          • HazooToo

            No, really, answer my question. Have YOU spoken to all black people and determined that they didn’t even notice the statues until today?

          • Wolf Tracker

            They can handle that just fine without you or I demanding the removal and that is honoring their decision.

          • HazooToo

            So, no. You can’t say you’ve spoken to all black people, either. I don’t get where you come up with the idea that they’ve never had an opinion of these statues. A lot of them have clearly expressed their opinion.

          • Wolf Tracker

            I am not the one here claiming their opinion is right and demanding other people act on it.

          • HazooToo

            No, you’re the one claiming that taking down these statues is the exact same thing as Nazis tearing apart Jewish history, and also that people never thought about the statues before now. Honestly, I’m done. Maybe the best thing I can take from this argument with you is that it was a complete waste of time, and that the statues will come down in spite of your spineless crap. Nobody is listening to you OR me. They are doing what they believe is right, and I’m going to keep supporting them in their fight to remove installations of hate and bigotry. And if they move from taking down statues to imprisoning the descendants of Civil War soldiers and gassing them to death, you can “I told you so” all you fucking want. But until then, I’m done with you.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Now you are just being dishonest and my posts are right there for anyone to read.

          • shivaskeeper

            No one thought about these monuments? I’m going to need a cite for that. These monuments and the traitor rag that tends to fly near them have been on the radar for a long time. The only difference is right now there is enough popular support to actually do something about them.

            FFS, there was an article here, yesterday, about Tampa basically forcing the locals to raise the money to remove yet another one of these traitor monuments, because the county commission wouldn’t do the right thing. It wasn’t about the money, it’s about some people wanting to keep these things up just to continue to fuck with an entire race and officially remind them that they will always be second class.

          • Rags

            What part of ‘they can be used for teaching purposes’ didn’t you understand when you typed it 30 minutes ago?

          • Iron Monkey

            It doesn’t change the way people think but the statues are a physical representation of hateful ideology which is why they should come down.

          • Persistent Demme

            I don’t think that anyone is under the illusion that removing statues will change ideology,
            I just think that it is easier to walk down the street without a constant “reminder” that suggests you are a second-class citizen.

          • Wolf Tracker

            Then those people that perceive it that way have a legitimate complaint and can have them moved or destroyed but you will find many black and white southerners dealt with that history years ago and use those monuments to teach their children about that horrific ideology so it is never repeated.

          • doktorzoom

            That seems disingenuous.

            Also, punctuation can be your friend.

      • HazooToo

        Sorry, no. We have books, videos, movies and museums that we can use for teaching purposes. A lot of these statues have plaques that call the people they’re dedicated to “heroes” and do not even mention their victims. If we remove them and take them to a museum, curators can address the actual real story behind those monuments and the “heroes” they honor, including the people they murdered in order to get that memorial. Actually leaving the statues where they are IS what has divided Liberals, as you can clearly see right now.

        • Wolf Tracker

          Sorry no. You are welcome to your opinion but I happen to think Americans are intelligent enough to see those statues represent a horrific time in our history and a dangerous ideology that we must not repeat.

          • HazooToo

            But they’re somehow NOT smart enough to remove them without starting a race war. Do you hear yourself?

          • Wolf Tracker

            If that is their choice in that city then that city then they can handle that without you demanding they do it because you an outsider is offended by a statue you have probably never even seen.

          • HazooToo

            You think this is happening because people outside the state are demanding it? No. These decisions ARE being made by the people who live with these things in their midst. I don’t get to vote on that shit. They’re still coming down, though! How weird is that, when none of them have ever considered the statues before now?!

          • Wolf Tracker

            Again: If that is their choice in that city then that city then they can handle that without you demanding they do it because you an outsider is offended by a statue you have probably never even seen.

          • sarafina

            Like Tampa, where they raised $180,000 in 24 hours to remove some Civil War bullshit hunk of cement?

          • Rags

            I care not for your onion. I have shalotts of them.

          • sarafina

            So why are all this white guys in polo shirts and khakis trying to emulate this “dangerous ideology”?

      • Rags

        Who exactly is ‘dividing Liberals’ here? Venerate the liberators, not the oppressors.

        • sarafina

          By “oppressors” I think you mean LOSERS.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Even if the Liberals is being idiots? I do get what they’re saying. And what they’re saying is stupid.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Go to the fucking library. You can get all the lessons about your slaveholding past you want there. This is such an asinine argument it makes my head hurt. Statues are erected to venerate the subject of the work. The veneration of men because of their military ability, when that military ability was exercised in the service of an ignoble, racist, treasonous cause, is not something that any reasonable person should support.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Bub, she’s one of the good people

        • Bub, the cynical zombie

          I’m referring to those who make that argument, not House0fTheBlueLights

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Mis-read. Sorry.

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            No worries. I’ve done it myself, more than once.

    • RobKanC

      The white privilege must be very nice in Bernieland.

    • natoslug

      Tear down the statues, put up plaques: “On [whatever date the statue was put up], racist revisionists who wanted to glorify their traitor relatives and remind the world that they feel they should be allowed to own other people erected a statue here to celebrate their hate. We finally tore that shit down on [whatever date the statue finally came down], because while we are slow to learn, we do eventually fucking learn.”

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Your friends are…….interesting.

    • SayItWithWookies

      Levar Stoney, our mayor in Richmond, formed a committee that’s holding public meetings about what to do with the statues on Monument Avenue (including Lee, Jeff Davis and Stonewall Jackson). He originally said he had no intention of taking the statues down but wanted to see what could be done to more accurately portray these people’s place in history — probably by adding plaques explaining what they fought for and the Jim Crow history of such statues.

      I assume this stance was aimed at not arousing the ire of the confederate sympathizers around. Now, though, he’s called for them to be removed. I could see the value of the former approach, but now that they’re a rallying point for violent supremacists, taking them down is pretty sensible.

      • NastyBossetti

        My brother, who also lives in Richmond, suggested surrounding them with pissoirs.

      • The reich wing would protest adding plaques anyway.
        Though I doubt they are touching monument avenue.

      • Persistent Demme

        I love the way this whole thing has back-fired!
        EPIC FAIL!!

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Because reading the plaques on statues is so what everybody does o-O

      • sarafina

        Isn’t Stoney coming up for re-election?

        • SayItWithWookies

          He was just elected in November, so he’s got most of his term to go.

    • shivaskeeper

      That is a false argument and they know it.

      You have it spot on with what statues and memorials should be there. The victims only. No Nazi statues in Germany, but plenty of memorials to the victims and those that fought the Nazis.

      • sarafina

        I think every town that MUST have a traitor memorial also needs to have a copy of Picasso’s Guernica displayed, with a description of the attack written at a 4th-grade level so the morons can understand it. (War as hell is not depicted by some guy on a horse, imo.)

    • Boscoe

      The problem is that these monuments are not intended to remind us of our ugly past, they are intended to glorify traitors as “heroes”.

      • THIS

      • shivaskeeper

        Also, too to remind those dark skinned folk of their proper place.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!

    • Snopes Shop

      Because reading a history book takes too much attention.

      • Three Finger Salute

        I suppose they could watch the History channel, but that’s nothing but Hitler, aliens, and Nazi aliens.

        https://i.imgflip.com/1udd61.jpg

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Add a large brass plaque with outsized letters above the statue, saying ‘racist fuck loser’.

      • neon lights or gtfo. If they remain, they need to be as tacky as fuck

    • Persistent Demme

      They are the worst.

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    Remember that video of the guy with the Tuba following Nazi’s around?
    I like this (the best part is their name: Members of the Boston Area Brigade of Activist Musicians.)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9916f5292c55366f04686397623a72f4772a5c43aa807cb982c5bb024d074b5f.jpg

    • BABAM!

    • I tried to find that video of the Dutch, I think, in clown costumes following the nazis and mocking them endlessly. It is a great video, but I cannot find it

    • NEEDZ MOAR OBOES

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        Woodwinds aren’t welcome here! BRASS FOREVER!

        (kidding)

        • WomanInThePersistence

          I play the recorder. And am easily offended.

          • During a traffic stop I once had a policeman pull his gun on me because he spied my tenor recorder lying on the back seat of my adorable bright green VW Bug.

            TRUE STORY!

          • WomanInThePersistence

            My sibling!

          • Msgr_MΩment

            Thank Dog it wasn’t an accordion.

        • A really terrible oboe can slice through a wall of brass like a surgeon’s scalpel.

        • doktorzoom

          At the first feminist orchestra march in 1971, they all burned their brass.

      • NastyBossetti

        Is that not an oboe to the left of the lady in the black dress? I tried to zoom in, but it’s unclear.

      • Persistent Demme

        My first date with Mr. Demme consisted of dinner, and watching him make reeds. How romantic!
        Every leg of furniture in that house had little strings tied to it.
        (He gets them made for him now.)
        We met because he wanted to do the “Blake Songs,” and I wanted to do “Magnificat.”

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    This made me laugh. “Heeeeere’s Donnie!”

    https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/898741076919558145

    • Goddamn, they are not even sticking in a token brown anymore?

      • NastyBossetti

        Only one token allowed per photo opp. This time, it’s a woman.

        • Incoming Ham

          One Vajajay American is marginally acceptable as long as she can get coffee for everyone.

      • Snopes Shop

        They have to think of their base.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Just the acid.

    • Master Contrail Program

      Hopefully they will be…….
      corrected. (With votes, I suppose)

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        Redrum (with votes)

        • Master Contrail Program

          Hcaepmi!

          That’s much harder to pronounce.

          Nosirpmi! That’s a bit easier. Nosirpmi!

    • Master Contrail Program

      As long as we don’t get 40 minutes of Robert Mueller vacationing in Florida, taking phone calls, taking a flight, renting a snowcat, driving it up to the Overlook, then immediately taking a metaphorical axe to the chest.

    • therblig

      The Whining?
      The Shitting?

  • Joe Beese
  • Reximus
    • Alan

      No, but I’ll bet the restaurants are prepping big.

  • Joe Beese
    • miss_grundy

      Is that the new group picture for the fall season’s “Apprentice” show???

    • Spurning Beer

      Yup, “glamourous high society” indeed. Somebody call Tim Gunn.

      Also, the “merriment and gaiety” in this photo is just too much. Tone it down, people!

    • BeachBum

      As a poor person who likes the ocean, I have always wondered what “glamourous high society” was. This is why I come here, I learn something every day. Cant really tell who is gay and/or merry though.

    • Alan

      They do have a way with words.

    • BeachBum

      Der Treiphimmler is casting a remake of Judgement at Nuremburg.

    • sarafina

      How long until all those standing are fired?

  • folderol

    I find the “Yours in Christ” a put-off. Can you knock it off?

    • OrG in London

      What’s wrong with Elvis Christ.

    • eggs ackly-wright

      There’s a headline: WONKETTE BANS SNARK!

    • Spurning Beer

      I find it consummate snark, and encourage it.

    • natoslug

      Christ’s that dude who did the big environmental art projects, isn’t he?

      • eggs ackly-wright

        Wrapping the Grand Canyon was my favorite.

    • natoslug

      I dunno, if Christ is into having multiple people in him, who am I to argue? Not sure that I’m comfortable joining in, but that’s just my cisgendered biases rearing their ugly heads.

      • The Wanderer

        Everyone has multiple people in them. We are singular multitudes.

        • eggs ackly-wright

          Yeah. Get down with the collective unconscious, mang.

        • Three Finger Salute

          That’s called schizophrenia…

        • natoslug

          Given how horrible people tend to be to one another, I am more proud of the majority of bacteria in me. :D

    • bbayliss

      Yours in happy hollidays doesn’t have much of a ring, does it?

      I believe it’s ironic

      • AJ Milne

        Also, as it turns out, if you too regularly sign off with ‘Yours in Shub-Niggurath’, eventually it summons him.

        (… took quite a while to rebuild the stable of writers after that, I hear.)

    • Me not sure

      Define “in”.

    • Alan

      I also find it annoying but I think he’s being ironic.

      • folderol

        What’s next? Allulah Akbar?

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
    • DainBramage

      President Pariah.

      • Three Finger Salute

        If Trump was a pop singer, he’d be named Pariah Scary.

    • Rick Hill

      Think about how much the right hated Obama, hurled every nasty lie and threat at him they could. Never was he so universally reviled as this man.

      • Serai 1

        He finally managed to beat Obama.

    • jesterpunk
      • AJ Milne

        Trump: Days of Whine and Cheese.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Days of Whine and Poses.

    • Alan

      Has any president ever not attended?

      • NastyBossetti

        (Per WaPo): Rosalynn Carter attended in the place of Jimmy Carter during the 1979 hostage crisis, and Hillary Rodham Clinton sat in for the president, who was attending a European conference, in 1994.
        ETA: This is the first time the White House reception has been cancelled.

        • Alan

          Both legitimate.

  • TJ Barke

    The Trumptanic is a well oiled machine that is currently sinking and on fire.

  • THE JUNGLE BOOK was my very first ever movie to see at a theater. I liked I WANNA BE LIKE YOU because of ‘woo hoo hoo’ part and the monkeys.

    Lifelong fan of monkeys, that’s me.

    • Master Contrail Program

      I think it was either Airplane 2 or Jaws 3-D for me. It didn’t engender a lifelong love of airplanes, sharks or mediocre sequels though.

      • Swampgas_Man

        The original Doctor Doolittle, with Rex Harrison. Loved it, bought the album, the whole schmeer.

        • TundraGrifter

          My grandmother read all those books to me – I think she skipped the “N-word” in one of them. I remember them fondly.

    • eggs ackly-wright

      Mine was 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. I was mesmerized by James Mason’s voice.

    • bbayliss

      Mine was “Old Yeller”, still traumatized.
      fucking Disney

      • TundraGrifter

        If I were you, I wouldn’t watch “Bambi.”

        • bbayliss

          Too late, but my daughter saw neither.

          • TundraGrifter

            I cried when the leader of the trapping party (played, I believe, by Andrew Duggan) was killed at the end of “Andy Burnett.” My folks were very upset with my older brother than he had “let me watch it.” He, I think correctly, objected that he had no idea that was going to happen.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        A children’s book read to the little Miss Bz&Bzs back in the day started with the line…(paraphrasing) “If you see a kids book with a dog on the cover with a book award medal, you know that dog is going down…”

      • NastyBossetti

        Mine was one of Bambi’s theatre re-releases. Also traumatizing.

      • Persistent Demme

        My favorite website: doesthedogdie.com
        Just the idea, (I refuse to watch it) of Old Yeller is traumatic.
        I will never forgive Mr. Demme for suggesting I watch “Eight Below.”
        (Wish I’d had the above website then.)

    • Thiazin Red

      Rescuers is the first one I can remember.

    • Me not sure

      It’s all fun and games until they start winning elections.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Mine was American Tail. Very nice story about immigrants that, today, really makes me think that Macron should just sign off on shipping the Statue of Liberty to Lake Ontario as a Christmas/Birthday gift to his pal Justin.

      “There are no Trumps up in Canada…!”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4kU9cwgXM

    • BeachBum

      Mine was Song of the South.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        The Disney Embarrassment Erasure Strike Team is being dispatched to your location.

        • BeachBum

          I was wondering if anyone would non-comment that ! But I’m ok now, really. Well, at least doing better than John Boehner ! (zippity do da…..)

        • Jamoche

          The framing segments need to go, but the animated parts are legit black folktales that ought to be better known.

          • Latverian Diplomat

            FWIW, those segments were later excerpted as standalone shorts for television (about 25 minutes total), according to wikipedia.

            And I remember children’s books featuring those animated characters, though that was long ago.

    • notaten

      My first movie too! It was at the drive in, a double feature with Charlie the Lonesome Cougar.

      • therblig

        well just about then the old skunk had got into the pepper pot

    • Doug Langley

      My first movie was either Snow White or Sleeping Beauty, not sure which.

      It was a RE-RELEASE, for crying out loud!!

      EDIT: I just checked the release date on Sleeping Beauty. I could have seen it when it first came out.

    • Persistent Demme

      The Incredible Journey.
      (Should’ve been called Demme’s Incredible Trauma.)

    • therblig

      101 Dalmations – 1961

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      not in the theater (i dont’ remember the first movie i saw in a theater) but earliest memory is video of Bedknobs and Broomsticks.

    • Steely_Fan

      The first movie I remember seeing in a theater was Forbidden Planet. I was 7 years old fer cryin’ out loud. The Monster From The Id scene when it’s breaking through the electrical grid freaked me right out.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYFr3UyVpRA

      • FUN FACT! The Monster from the Id was animated by the Disney animation department.

        • Steely_Fan

          Interesting! Mebbe it’s just my reminiscence of my first really good scare in a movie theater, or the fact that I am an old, but 60 years later that scene & even most of the rest of the film holds up quite well against today’s over the top CGI extravaganzas. Also, too, a 7.7 rating on IMDB which ain’t too shabby.

          • amrak63

            IIRC, FP was a great inspiration to Gene Roddenberry, showing that you could put science fiction on the screen and NOT have it be crap.

      • Notreelyhelping

        Not the first movie I’ve seen (thank god), but the first one that genuinely freaked me out: The Haunting (1963). Don’t mix it up with the remake, which was shite. Careful who’s hand you hold. In the dark. In the night.
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sog3etUwtSk

  • ken_kukec

    I chanced upon “Brad” catchin’ hell from Steph and Ali while it was happening. Haven’t seen anything like it since Buscemi got fed to the wood-chipper in Fargo.

    • bbayliss

      A thing of beauty, and instructive.

    • Three Finger Salute

      And here I thought it was Brad that some girl named Liberty Mutual ran over with her car, probably because he was cheating on her with Flo from Progressive.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHbndvN4yI

      • Msgr_MΩment

        I never loved Brad, Missie.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      It was quite enjoyable. Reminded me of the time Chris Matthews chewed up a right wing radio jackass named Kevin James by showing that he had no idea what Chamberlain had done to “appease” Hitler at Munich. I’ve never seen anyone so thoroughly exposed as a know nothing hack on television. It was Tweetie’s finest moment.

  • Ricky Gay

    Donna the Rose of Broadway!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Say has anybody seen my sweet Donna Rose?

    • eggs ackly-wright

      Broadway Donna Rose. Isn’t that a Woody Allen movie?

  • CripesAmighty

    Aaaaand, more fun with Richard Painter as he goes off again at the ‘pastor’ who’s “pretending that he’s all of a sudden an economist”: “If Donald Trump wants to see real Christian values, he can walk across the street to that little yellow
    Church of the Presidents, where the bishop is an African American…” and… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8ffb378af3f2565ccb9967f142d871c75173880a8e1bc161cb0b064cbcdf0774.gif

    (This’ll have to do til Joy’s producers post the whole thing)

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    So, if I understand correctly, the actual right wing rally in Boston starts at 2, but protestors have been showing up all morning.
    If that’s the case, wow:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/321e807bd3196b0ddd95193db11168c4ecbacc3891e8d0e5597261fb0028c32a.jpg

    • Villago Delenda Est

      These dumbshits will not know what hit them (metaphorically, of course).

    • Anna Rompage

      Whoa, that’s a lot of people!

      Let’s hope it stays peaceful!

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        I hope so too but let’s be realistic.

    • The key is to get there first and deny them a foothold. They can’t bring their guns to Boston, so many will chicken out.

      Isn’t Northern Aggression a beautiful thing?

  • Holly

    What the holy fucking shit is wrong with them anyway??? I’m about ready to say things that might get me in trouble here kids. But SERIOUSLY! Even the worst of the worst of the worst (all the stupid nazi’s, white supremisits and the alt-right deplorables) every single last one of them are even worse than I could have possibly imagined, and I have a hyperactive imagination. How dare you bring your hate into a city that has endured the worst homegrown terrorist attack in it’s history. How dare you bring your hate into the city that is PROUDLY BOSTON STRONG! Everyone that is in the Boston area that isn’t already on their way over please get the fuck off your asses and go show these fucks WHAT BOSTON STRONG MEANS! I am sorry I can’t be there with you to show them what an old white lady can and would do. Go clean house today,

    • Alan

      Is this crapfest on the Commons or Copley Square?

      • Holly

        http://www.occupyboston.org/
        It’s all right here. GO ALAN!! Post pictures!

        • Alan

          I would except I moved. Used to live on Charles St. before I was old. I was kinda hoping it was on the square, easier to surround the fuckers.

          • Holly

            We are there with them in spirit Alan. Take care and ((((Hugs))))

    • Three Finger Salute
      • Holly

        He spoke to us and said what we were all feeling…We need BIg Poppy back right about now.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Reverend Eugene Rivers, counterprotester in Boston speaking on MSNBC, searching for the right word: “We will not allow the… wingnuts…”

    • Villago Delenda Est

      That’s good!

  • Anna Rompage

    While I’m not a huge fan of the tactics of the antifa, Slate did a great article where they interviewed a number of clergy members who were active at the protests last weekend.

    I know this is only a glimpse into the horrific event, it does shed some light on how the antifa was responding to the alt right neo nazis, and in all honesty, it seems like they were somewhat restrained and actually doing good.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/what_the_alt_left_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i think the antifa has become the label for what used to be blac block (which used to be known as violent dickheads, but on the left), and that’s bad because I think all of us would consider ourselves antifa.

      I’ve seen that false equivalence a lot since Saturday.

      • TootsStansbury

        I’m confused on the topic but Antifa goes way back, to Franco I think. Black Bloc are anarchists but I think the two share tactics.

      • Anna Rompage

        I have as well, and yes, from what I can tell, “antifa” is a new term used to describe the blac block and anarchists in general…

        Perhaps they rebranded with the rise of white supremacist groups, or maybe it’s more of an assemblage of groups.

        I can’t say I approve of their tactics when they show up here in Portland to march, as they are the folks who usually end up breaking windows, and taking peaceful protests to the next level.

      • AJ Milne

        That.

        It’s pretty common in this stuff. You can have a million people in the streets protesting peacefully–if some of them snarkily and loudly–even incredibly bravely, in the face of fuckers who show up with guns and clubs and who _do_ like to get violent if given half a chance–and _one_ adolescent in black roughly aligned with them throws a brick through a window, and suddenly that’s the headline.

        • Anna Rompage

          Yep, it’s why I don’t care for their tactics.

          They pull the focus away from the actual protest and the news reports it as an all out riot, even though it’s only a handful of people among 1000s

    • Alan

      No such thing as antifa. You are a Nazi or you are not a Nazi. It’s too bad that now sane people get a fringe label. Marketing!

      • Anna Rompage

        You should come to a protest here in Portland sometime when they show up to the protests for things like Donald Trumps electoral win…

        I mean if there’s 1000s of people marching for the same reason you are, and nobody representing from the other side, why do you have to escalate things by attacking cops and breaking store windows?

        • Alan

          You don’t. But it’s now a label for “the other side”.

        • theCryptofishist

          We have the same problem in Oakland.

        • kareemachan

          Portland has anarchists from Springfield, sad to say.

      • BeachBum

        I think you are right. My Dad,who was very old, said boxing matches used to be set up with boxers to represent ethnic group vs ethnic group. IE Irish vs English, Italian vs Black, Latino vs German, and so on. I think it evolved to WWF and now to politics.

  • bbayliss

    These nazis used up a lifetime quota of stupid in less than a week.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      They have it to burn.

      • Résistance Land Shark Ω

        Donnie Two Scoops is proof that there’s a bottomless well of derp.

  • Doug Langley

    Wonkbabby is amazing! Shirley Temple, eat your heart out!

  • Holly

    For anyone in Boston that would like to go or just wants the information:
    http://www.occupyboston.org/

    • Three Finger Salute

      I actually thought about it. Asked my mother. Said no because, well, a girl died at the other one. So I’m with them in spirit at least for now.

      • Holly

        Listen to your mother! All of us that can’t be there are there in spirit. Love and light to you.

  • The thing about herpes is it keeps coming back.
    https://i.imgflip.com/1ubrlq.jpg

    Like a bad holiday in late December

    • Me not sure

      The whole cocept of a “mooch” as a unit of measurement is a winner in my book.

      • Rags

        We already have the ‘smoot’ so why not the mooch?

        • Me not sure

          A demi mooch appears to be one week. A mooch , two weeks, etc.

          • Rags

            Hmm. Since a ‘mooch’ is a unit of time, and a ‘smoot’ is a unit of distance, I think we have enough standards to entirely replace the SI system with the SM system? And NO, not that SM!

          • Me not sure

            Is a mooch/smoot like a weird lb./ft.?

          • Rags

            Hmmm…. more like miles/hour…

          • Me not sure

            I’m getting a new speedometer!

          • Rags

            If a Mooch is defined as 10 days (July 21 to July 31), and a smoot, as we know, is 5 feet 7 inches, the conversion factor is 1 smoot/mooch = 4.40603956 × 10-7 miles per hour. for convenience, we should define the microsmooch, which then gives a more satisfying 1 smoot/micromooch = 0.44 mph, or 1 mph = 2.72 smoots/micromooch. Tape this to your dashboard…. By the way, the origin of the smoot is worth googling….

          • Me not sure

            You are a true American hero.

          • kareemachan

            Congrats, you just made my head hurt.

          • Mehmeisterjr

            mooch=smoot x c squared?

          • Mehmeisterjr

            Technically, a mooch is not two weeks, it is eleven days.

            So, in New Math terms it’s a base-11 system or what we non-mathematicians call a sick headache.

          • Me not sure

            Well I’m out then. Nobody said there’d be math.

          • Incoming Ham

            I’m not allowed to do math in public.

  • Johnny Appleseed

    Protest in Beantown peaceful so far. Two sides haven’t met yet.

    Many thousands are peacefully walking toward “The Common” where about 40-50 “Free Speech”ers are gathered at a bandstand.

    • Stay safe keep both eyes open at all times

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      lol, 40-50 with 2 hours to “show time” – I LOVE IT!

    • Alan

      So now they’re called free speechers? Makes it sound patriotic.

      • Johnny Appleseed

        Everyone (should) know only Republicans can claim themselves to be Patriotic. The rest of us can’t.

  • ken_kukec

    Maybe all those “very fine people” at the C-ville Nazi rally were following the tiki torches thinking they were headed to a Polynesian joint for pu-pu platters?

    • Reximus

      I love that Rick Wilson has re-branded them as “Tiki-ISIS”

      • Rags

        I was kinda fond of ‘vanilla isis’ myself.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Someone on twitter suggested they crowdsource identifying the white supremacists and call it Tikileaks.

    • Traitor Vic’s

      • therblig

        their skinheads were…perfect

  • Reximus
  • Persistent Demme

    Bravo, DR!
    My own used to sing “Bare Nesessenies.”
    (What is it about that song?!)

    • Three Finger Salute

      Arguably the most addictive of the Disney anthems is the Duck Tales theme. (Woo Hoo!)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJkVTBSq0M

      • Notreelyhelping

        Jimhimininity Cricket libel!

      • phoenix00

        I hope you’re watching the reboot…..

  • I see both toddler and I skip leg day.
    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/710/732/602.jpg

    We still run the world

    • NastyBossetti

      Aw those weights are so tiny and adorable.

    • Incoming Ham

      Bodybuilders with chicken legs. So sexee.

  • proudgrampa

    Where is Art Buchwald when we need him?

    https://youtu.be/uBAAzC0KtsU

    • Holly

      I needed to laugh. I laughed through tears.
      Laughter through tears is my favorite emotion – Dolly Parton
      Mine also to Dolly, mine also to.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
    • SayItWithWookies

      If the Nazis stick to one rally in one small town per weekend, it’ll look like there’s a lot of them. Eight rallies in eight cities, and only ten can show up to each rally.

    • janecita

      It looks like Trump’s inauguration.

  • Doug Langley

    Question. Just came back from barbershop. The big story (they had Fox News on) was the 4 or 5 police officers who just got shot, at least one died. “It’s a conspiracy!” was the consensus. So I check NYT and WaPo and saw nothing whatsoever. What’s the story?

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      the story i saw several hours ago says 2 cops in small suburb of Orlando were shot. (there’s a claim they were “ambushed”, but the statement by the police chief implies different).

      Anyway, all I saw was that the cops had pulled over for an “encounter” with someone (asking for questions, ID, etc) and the person shot them.

      I’m not quite sure what hte “conspiracy” part is all about though.

      For more, just do a google news search for kissimmee, florida.

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    You know, Trump is known for loving Twitter cause he can speak directly to the people.

    A real leader and decent human being would have prefaced today’s planned events in boston by tweeting, “Every American has the right to free speech in this country, but violence has no place in public discourse. Please keep it civil and safe today.”

    instead, lil donnie drama couldn’t give two shits (unless there’s an terrorist attack by a muslim).

    • Three Finger Salute

      He only has a few real people. The rest are bots.

    • Jeff Ackerman

      We forget, when he wanted protesters thrown out of his campaign rallies he offered to pay legal fees if any of his supporters got charged and needed legal help. He didn’t mind violence as long as it suited his needs.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        excellent point – he talked about wanting to punch people and implying his detractors would leave on a gurney or whatever that shit was.

        Jeesus, it’s time for me to go offline and take a nap.

      • phoenix00

        … except there’s no proof he paid up.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    These false equivalences and total bullshit you are dealing with people.
    https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/898660886092562432

    • SayItWithWookies

      Hey, isn’t that terrorist in the lower right wearing a polo shirt and white pants?

    • TootsStansbury

      Except it’s the right wing fundy facsist goon squad that is comparable to ISIS.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      FWIW, this is ANOTHER reason I think mob justice was the wrong idea in Durham, but I don’t want to get into that fight again.

    • Raan

      The difference in the last comparison is, the guys who tore down the Confederate statue didn’t sell a bunch of other Confederate statues to unscrupulous art collectors to fund bombings and other attacks on civilians.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Well the middle comparions is worse. Unlike the left joke the right ones are actual decapitated heads. :I

  • William

    My granddaughter has a very active imagination, and her dog is a saint. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d1047daf8d1e39f465f72cde18be72655d31deb49994eb20bd47144176ac8a0.jpg

    • Tiffany de Houston

      She’s really adorable and so his her very patient dog! :-)

    • Iron Monkey

      Is the dog wearing a superhero cape?

      • William

        Yes , and a string of gold colored pearls.

    • Zyxomma

      Very sweet. I never had children, so there are no grandchildren in my future. I love this photo.

      • SisterArtemis

        The world needs good aunties and neighbors, maybe now more than ever

        • kareemachan

          What I was going to say. When I was young and the world was more innocent, I had elderly friends that I could go visit. I had no extended family close by, so they were wonderful to have around. And I am sure they loved it too. (I hope I wasn’t a pain, anyway.)

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “That Baloo. Such a beatnik!”
    — Col. Hathi

  • La forza del resistino

    Note to antifa demonstrators sporting face bandanas.
    1. one ply of cotton is not effective protection to tear gas. Your eyes will go first.
    2. You look as stupid as a horse opera extra plotting a stagecoach heist.
    3. Dr King and John Lewis were proud to show their faces in the day when cops were considerably less constrained.

    • Raan

      “Is this a robbery!?”
      “It’s a science experiment!”

    • C4TWOMAN

      Um, the masks aren’t to hide from cops–who will know who you are anyway if arrested.
      They are to hide identities from Nazi assholes who WILL stalk and harass protestors and their families and friends.

      Same reason we wore masks protesting Scientology–a protection against “fair game” tactics.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      king and lewis knew the power of non-violent martyrdom, (a tactic evidently lost in time and unknown in this age) and that martyrdom needed a face…

      however…the cops may be considerably more constrained now, but the assholes who harass and doxx people are certainly not…it’s probably better to wear the scarf (altho they could at least spring for a nice silk!), as now we outnumber them and dont need any particular face other than the numbers

  • Granny Sprinkles

    Dammit Evan! I was gonna show off because I knew what she was singing but you had to go and spoil it. Anyhoo, here’s a link I like. https://youtu.be/pNOrtePLuA0

  • Thiazin Red

    Thing I said just now “You shouldn’t cook bacon with your dick out”. I feel like its good life advice.

    • NastyBossetti

      No one should learn that lesson the hard way.

      • Rags

        ISWYDT

      • Mehmeisterjr

        I disagree. Some should lose that lesson the hard way. With votes.

    • kareemachan

      Or bare-breasted.

  • Manhattan123

    I like that the dog doesn’t even turn around. It’s like, “Oh god, this shit again?”

    • janecita

      That dog is me when my kids were younger.

  • Iron Monkey
  • HazooToo

    Well, that was fucking exhausting and pointless.

  • Wolf Tracker

    When we start fighting fascism with fascism we need to step back and consider our actions and motivations.

    • Rags

      Starting a fresh hole? Last one getting kinda deep?

      • HazooToo

        I needed to block that person. If anyone can think of a good reason I shouldn’t have, let me know.

        • Rags

          I dunno. I kinda found the thread a veritable encylopedia of rhetorical fails, false equivalences, goalpost shifting, arguments from authority and ad homs….almost as educational as a statue of Robert E Lee in Jackson, Mississippi.

          • HazooToo

            I found it an exhausting exercise in arguing with assholes, and a strong point in favor of our dear Gma’s stance of Blocking Without Engaging.

        • C4TWOMAN

          I got nothing.

    • C4TWOMAN

      huh? Who’s “fighting fascism with fascism”?
      And how would that even work?

      • HazooToo

        I would not bother tilting at this windmill if I were you. Just scroll down and see the argument, then be glad you weren’t a part of it.

        • C4TWOMAN

          Okey Dokey!

          I’ve got loads to do to prepare for the eclipse anyway….

          • HazooToo

            Going to be making viewers out of cereal boxes with the kid. Fun project AND no need to go searching for glasses at the last minute!

          • C4TWOMAN

            I got my glasses Dec last year–yeah I was taking NO chances.
            Also too I wanted the cool Dr. Whoish shades type–about $30 -$40 dollars. You can use them to look at the sun and sunspots too, but gotta be careful not to start walking away when you look down. It really is pitch black!
            Had to cannibalize some cheapy eclipse glasses for a half ass solar filter on my digital camera–I want pics! Will be testing set up with tripod this afternoon. What fun!

            Good luck!

      • BeachBum

        Maybe he means guys like Al York and Charlie Pendleton ? Hmm, prolly too young. Or ignorant. Or both.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        As we all know, getting hit and killed by a fascist driving a car through a crowd is a classic fascist ploy.

      • sarafina

        I don’t understand what Wolf Tracker is trying to get at. Neither do I care.

    • eggs ackly-wright

      I had the best intentions when I fought the flood with a water cannon. Dint work so good.

    • BeachBum

      You can always tell when we get a troll from Rush Lieburger and the Faux Noise.
      They have their own failed logic and wanna be meanings for words that are not part of reality.

      • doktorzoom

        Nah, this person insists they’re a liberal; they’re simply so convinced of their moral superiority that anyone who would deface “history’ is a fascist.

    • The Person.

      Totally O/T, but do you know what got me banned from MMfA? Asking sincerely.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      you do know, of course, that there was a time when we fought fascism with extreme and powerful violence?…it was called world war2…and despite that extreme violence, WE WERE STILL THE GOOD GUYS?….khaa-ryst, take your concern-trolling and $1.fitty and go ride the fucking merry-go-round with it

  • BeachBum

    I need to see my doctor about my hearing. As I loath Republicans since Nixon’s Southern Strategy, I am concerned that last night Mitt Romney sounded like John Kennedy, Steve Schmidt sounded like David Axelrod, and Nicole Wallace sounded like Walter Cronkite. Of course I did fall in a rabbit hole during the day.

    • CripesAmighty

      In the world of the shifting Overton window–they did.

      (Although, one might suspect that the oh-so-droll Schmidt only remains one to troll the troglodytes)

      • BeachBum

        Hey, that’s where I live! Land o’ the Troglodytes !

        • JustDon’tSayDignity

          South Dakota?

    • Manhattan123

      Despite their roles in McCain’s campaign, Schmidt and Wallace have been two of the more sensible Republicans in recent years. (Granted, low bar, but still…)

    • M.E. Lawrence

      I’m glad not to be alone in that deep, dark hole. I’m almost fond of McCain and Mittens these days, while Collins and Murkowski are goddesses (for the moment).

  • Mehmeisterjr

    Donna Rose is,as usual, cute as, or even cuter than, a bug’s ear.

    Hint: Try to shield her from “Tomorrow” from “Annie.” I don’t have daughters of my own but I have nieces and now even grand-nieces and “Tomorrow” is the official song of Gitmo-inspired parent torture.

    • kareemachan

      Try ‘Can You Feel the Love Tonight’ from The Lion King. I took my kid to see ‘Pocahontas’ with seven friends and they sang that all the way to and from the theater.

      In different keys.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Simultaneously, right?

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      “The Spice Girls Movie” with my 5 year old and two of her girlfriends from kindergarten. They also loved Britney Spears and giggled at my impressions. Then the boy bands and actually escorting them to the concerts, because I was the Music Mom in the group.

    • M.E. Lawrence

      And don’t EVER let D.R. hear “My Heart Will Go On,” much less sing it. Only kid performance I ever deeply enjoyed was a sibling take on “Folsom Prison Blues.”

      • Mehmeisterjr

        This thread stirs so many memories.

        There was still an outpost of The Amateur Hour on TV when I was a kid from WSTV Wheeling/Steubenville. By that time, Major Bowes was long gone and it was the Ted Mack Amateur Hour.

        The level of “talent” was reliably appalling (musical saws and bicycle pumps were a staple) and my parents watched it because it was so amazingly bad. And one glorious day they outdid themselves and brought out a little white kid boy soprano who sang, I am not kidding, “Old Man River.”

        I was scarcely older than he was but even I realized that this beyond ridiculous.

    • Jukesgrrl

      I like it when the songs are completely inappropriate. Years ago my cousin’s daughter, about four years old, regaled an Independence Day cook-out with a dead-serious rendition of I Will Survive. One of my nieces brought the family house down with a performance of Chicago (that toddlin’ town) when she was in second grade. We especially loved, “They do things they don’t do on Broadway.
      They have the time, the time of their life. I saw a man, he danced with his wife,
      In Chicago, Chicago my home town.”

      • Jeffery Campbell

        I used to wow the kinfolks at holidays with a very spirited version of “How You Gonna Keep ‘Em Down on the Farm (After They’ve Seen Paree). Complete with a cancan routine. I was 9.

        Nobody was surprised when I came out. https://youtu.be/MBj7Fky1K_U

        • Mehmeisterjr

          I can’t remember (and can’t immediately find on the innertubes) the name of the wit who suggested a slight rewrite of the lyrics:

          How ya gonna keep ’em down on the farm,
          After they’ve seen [long pause] the farm?

          It has a great melody by Walter Donaldson that would better bear endless repeating than “Tomorrow.”

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Great moments in baseball:

        The late, great Ralph Kiner was probably the most error-prone announcer in all of sports broadcasting but he had a worthy rival in San Diego. I forget his name but one day this chowder head was calling a game with the Cubs. The Cubs were ahead and he opined:

        Well, they call Chicago that dawdling town but they sure aren’t dawdling today.

  • Raan

    When he’s doing a Bar Mitzvah, now that you shouldn’t miss
    He’ll always shlep on down for a wedding or a bris
    They say he’s got a lot of chutzpah, he’s really quite hhhhhip
    The parents pay the mohel and he gets to keep the tip

    • CripesAmighty

      Ow.

    • JustDon’tSayDignity

      How you doin’ Bernie?
      oy vey oy vey!

    • Mehmeisterjr

      It used to be that you left a 10% tip. Then 15%. Is it now 20%? Because, honestly, that seems excessive.

  • Zyxomma

    I don’t know the song; there are no young children in my life. I have no kids, no nieces or nephews; the closest is the adorable granddaughter of one of my first cousins, whom I see frequently on her FB posts. And throw things at my head if you like, I rarely enjoy it when children sing.

    • BeachBum

      It’s like watching soccer or Little League. Ya gotta have a dog in the fight.

      • Steely_Fan

        Or middle school band concerts.

    • theCryptofishist

      She is having a good time, however. Marching around in your underwear singing is part of the Wonkette Scout Troop activities.
      And I don’t know the song, either.

      • Zyxomma

        I do enjoy seeing how much she’s enjoying herself. She’s adorable in the extreme.

    • The Librarian

      Lol, it’s from Disney’s “The Jungle Book”. It came out 1,000 years ago when I was a kid.

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        I am old enough to have owned the soundtrack on LP, bought by my parents from the Gulf gas station with green stamps. I had Pinocchio and others as well.

        • The Librarian

          Omg! S&H green stamps. I think my mom got a toaster and a mixer. There was a redemption center by our house.

          I bet you cherished those albums. :)

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            Yep and like any young kid, I scratched the hell out of them.

          • The Librarian

            Wore the grooves down, I bet!

    • M.E. Lawrence

      I rather like small chilldren these days (the grandkids are so much more charming and respectful than their mothers), but you are right about their singing. I’ve sat through hours of school assemblies, and 5 minutes of the childish treble, amateur or pro, is my limit.

  • CindyinEncinitas

    From the Twitter machine: sure pr0n is fun until someone LOSES AN EYE.
    http://www.penangpost.com/director-singapore-adult-movie-hospitalized-actor-comes-eye/

  • amrak63

    Continuing from a previous thread, following the assassination of former White House strategist Bullwinkle J. Moose by mad former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, the White House today announced its newest Chief Strategist, the Rooster Man From Saturn.

    http://i.imgur.com/jDcaGF4.jpg

    • amrak63

      A random octopus was offered the job before the job was given to the Rooster Man from Saturn, but the octopus declined the offer.

      http://i.imgur.com/QUbrni5.gif

    • The Librarian

      Obligatory Bullwinkle libelz!!!!!

      I love Bullwinkle. I do not love Bannon.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Hey, Rocky, watch me pull a Vice-Presidential candidate out of my hat.

  • The Librarian

    You can tell I’m a mom. I knew what babby was singing. Nice voice, honey!

  • Yep. More bitter whine made from the sour grapes of white supremacists losers:

    http://twoplustwoequals7.blogspot.com/2017/08/neo-nazisaka-weenies-that-were-rejected.html

  • Pierre_de_Fermat

    CNN highlights the last 4 weeks … (has it just been that long ???)

    Y'ALL I CAN'T. @BrookeBCNN read everything that's happened to Trump in four weeks AND THE LIST KEEPS SCROLLING. https://t.co/V9vy8SiiRe— Daniella Diaz (@DaniellaMicaela) August 18, 2017

  • More music for kids, and the kids at heart:

    http://wfmu.org/playlists/GK

  • Les Appentis De la résistance

    Everyone needs a black lab looking out for them.

  • BJW

    Empress Donna Rose is on track to rule the world. Hail, Empress!

    • Parakeetist

      Amen.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      I’m just staying on bended knee..

      • BJW

        That’s a good plan. If my knees didn’t hurt (I’m an OLDz) I would too.

  • Jukesgrrl

    If only once in my life I could get out of bed in a mood like that …

  • mr.Truth

    Maybe you don’t know this , but in San Francisco they are establishing transexual day “camps” , for 4 and 5 year old children and guiding them to write on their name-tags every morning – if they are going to be a Boy or a Girl or perhaps choose “They” for the day . This brain-washing , is in order to prepare the little tykes, to remove their penis in the future. This is why people reject adoption by you people.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      Oh you poor thing and your dog whistles and your scare quotes. Begone, you have no power here. s/ Proud to be on of “you people”

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Creative , punctulation is – the best . punctulation , dont’ you , think ,?

        • starfanglednut

          The space before the comma thing always kills me.

    • Panika MCD

      what basement are they holding you in? it’s alright, we’ll alert the authorities and you will never have to see “Hello! My name is…” ever again!

      • Mehmeisterjr

        OMG. They are holding the Putin-bot hostage?

    • TundraGrifter

      When the little tykes get a bit older can they attend FEMA Camp?

    • Stulexington

      My god, what’s next, body autonomy for the non-penishavers?!!!!

    • Major_Major_Major

      The jealousy is strong with this one.

      Look, I am sure it sucks having to live a lie all your life. It is NOT cool, ever. That being said, just because you have to go through life thinking you need to deny you being you, doesn’t mean you should anonymously show up to shit on anyone else, for real or imagined reasons.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      you were warned to stay away from the brown acid, but you just couldnt help yourself, could you?

    • Jennifer R

      Fuck you, goddamned piece of shit go die in an auto wreck.

    • Edith Prickly

      Alex, go the fuck back to your bunker before someone else pours coffee on you. And eat a bowl of amnesia chili so you can forget about what an ass you made of yourself in Seattle.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      How are you still here?

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos
  • phoenix00

    WONKETTE BABBY SINGING BARE NECESSITIES MAKES ME MORE NOT EVEN

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    “Sessions presents: MONTANA GOLD! 20 great hits, sung by Wonkette Toddler!”

    “Hello, it’s me!” — Todd Rundgren, sung by Wonkette Toddler!

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