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You can’t be Spartacus. You don’t look anything like Carol Channing

To protest the arrests of eight people charged in the destruction of that tacky 1924 Confederate soldier statue outside the former county courthouse in Durham, North Carolina, a crowd of activists demanded today that they also be arrested for the statue’s destruction. As a large crowd cheered them on, about 100 people lined up in front of the Durham County Detention Facility in hopes of joining their friends in jail. Unfortunately, the authorities refused to arrest them, on the technicality that no warrants had been issued for their detention. Still, it made for some happy nice times!

Yes, that’s a theological seminary getting all SJW on Twitter. Good for them!

As we said t’other day, Yr Wonkette remains a House Divided on the wisdom of vigilante destruction of Confederate monuments — Yr Editrix is all for it, Yr Dok Zoom thinks it sets a bad precedent and is likely to make Bad People feel justified in doing Bad Things, and Yr Evan is busy helping his doggo not freak out about a thunderstorm in Memphis and has not been polled on the matter. But we can all get behind this orderly mob’s insistence on being arrested and joining their comrades, because it’s a fine nonviolent way of Trolling the System.

The movie comparison was obvious to everyone:

So would you call this Civil Excessive Obedience?

It’s looking like Confederate monuments — however “beautiful” our idiot president thinks they are — are going to be coming down in a lot more places, and the sooner the better. We’re not so sure Donald Trump has much room to complain about the removal of “beautiful art,” given his own legacy of jackhammering lovely old Art Deco friezes off the historic Bonwit Teller building on the site of Trump Tower in 1980, breaking a pledge he’d made to carefully remove them and donate them to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. The original New York Times story on the demolition includes a statement from “John Barron” — Trump himself — insisting that “the merit of these stones was not great enough to justify the effort to save them.” So that’s a whole passel of Trump being a lying bastard in a single episode, huh?

Maybe Trump has the right idea about history, though. Don’t think too much about it, and if you don’t have any real history available, make some up. (We’ll have a full story on the Bonwit-Teller demolition and Trump’s Fake History for you tomorrow!)

Stay safe, kids, and now it’s your OPEN THREAD.

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  • House0fTheBlueLights

    A Wonker in another thread called it “malicious compliance.” (Out yourself, I can’t remember who you are!)

  • Lyly Sirivong
    • A Bashful Nobody

      Having a sad now. Even though I understand the point being made, cancer isn’t really a joking matter.

      • Skeptical_thinker

        It wasn’t a joke. As a cancer survivor married to a cancer survivor, I agree that nazis are a cancer on our society. They must be treated aggressively. Legally, but aggressively.

  • memzilla Ω

    O/T BREAKING: Trump Tower now literally protected by white trash trucks.
    . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/79c58d6369072fe0953bae62a0eea11fdbb2b5a0f4d88a75019f88b55e18f77f.jpg

    • aktlib101

      Can some imaginative New Yorker please spray paint some swastikas on those trucks, you know, for decorum

      • Manders

        I think a light display of dancing swastikas from a building across the street would be more festive–and safer for the perpetrator.

        • Blanche Beecham

          Me likey the way you thinking

          • puredog

            So do I, bigly, but tough to project onto glass.

    • SDGeoff3

      Stunning. Class; so much class.

    • Atheist

      Apparently they are there in an event of a bomb.

      Trump is still confused as to who the actual terrorists are.

      • GoutMachine

        THEY’RE INSIDE THE [White] HOUSE!

      • shivaskeeper

        Yep. They are easy to fill with sand to either help absorb a blast or be made to heavy to be rammed out the way.

        Funny, for sure, but pretty standard.

      • cmd resistor

        Oh, I thought maybe they were the temporary Secret Service HQ’s.

    • ArgieBargie

      Donny must be taking a dump again.

      • WotsAllThisThen

        Can’t be his dumpster, it isn’t on fire.

      • GoutMachine

        Taking a trump?

    • elviouslyqueer

      White trash surrounded by white trash.

      The headlines sometimes just write themselves.

      • wide_stance_hubby

        Irony chasing its tail.

      • Skeptical_thinker

        Beat me to it.

    • Randy Riddle

      There wasn’t room for all the dumpster fires.

    • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

      I’d like to see all that gold shit inside that dump get disposed.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      Those trucks really add class to the place.

      • Persistent Demme

        And I’m sure all the occupants, (er…targets), of those horribly over-priced apartments there are THRILLED!!

    • Rok E Raccoon

      Maybe Trump’s a hoarder.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Yo! Residents of Trump Tower! There’s your fucking investment right there.

  • thixotropic jerk

    Out of darkness into the light! Onward! Excelsior! Or words to that effect

  • Joe Beese
    • SDGeoff3

      Well, they certainly helped Trump get elected, so let’s see what they can do next.

    • ArgieBargie

      Confederate
      Nuking
      Network

    • Reximus

      cuz they mapped where the monuments are?

    • doktorzoom

      I don’t see any U.S. monuments in that picture.

  • William
    • Atheist

      Sometimes I wish I could draw or had any artsy talent so I can make political cartoons like this.

    • Snopes Shop

      That’s genius

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      hands are too big (though maybe the clown gloves are making them look bigger)

  • ManchuCandidate

    I am sure there is some cop is awkwardly asking the protesters if they like oysters and or mussels.

    • JMP

      The line is actually oysters or snails. Though I do not believe there were any historical rumors about the real Marcus Licinius Crassus being bi, unlike Julius Caesar.

    • Lizzietish81

      Ser Davos’ fermented crabs

  • PixieThis

    How about those rumors that trump is about to resign? If true, how can we take down all the top repubs with him (pence, ryan, etc.)? Will resigning make him the king of quitting, thereby dethroning the queen of quitting (palin)?

    • William

      Well the events of the last week do seem to be his Katrina.

      • SDGeoff3

        Is that the name of his latest fling?

        • Lambsendbeds

          You mean his next wife?

          • SDGeoff3

            Could be. But by the time Melania’s done with him, the motive would likely be out the window.

      • JMP

        Remember how the media kept stretching to find some excuse to call some event “Obama’s Katrina”, even though nothing lived up to it, especially as his administration always reacted competently to disasters? I miss those days.

        • William

          The BP oil spill was supposed to be Obamas Katrina. It was handled so well, the right was reduced to going after the Secretary of State and her e-mails.

          • JMP

            There were a lot of fuck-ups there, but they were all committed by BP before the feds had to take over.

          • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

            “I’d like my life back.”

            Tony Hayward

          • JMP

            Let’s have a trip down memory (and Ken) la(y)ne.

            https://wonkette.com/?s=tony+hayward

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        I don’t think any things his Katrina. When all life on earth is gone, only Trump and those little bear things will be left.

      • wide_stance_hubby

        IDK, the man eats Katrinas for breakfast.

      • Andy

        Bush didn’t resign after Katrina.

    • Atheist

      I certainly hope he does.

      Though something tells me he won’t, because he wants to make the process of his removal as drawn out and painful as possible.

    • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)

      IMO, he’s begging to be kicked out at this point. No way he makes it four years doing a job he loathes and with that much stress. If he’s not kicked out, he’ll either resign or suffer a career ending health issue (stroke).

  • JMP

    I’m Brian, and so is my wife!

  • Msgr_MΩment

    “Spartacus. There can be only one.”

    Or am I mixing up my movies again?

  • Thiazin Red

    I do miss Spartacus, that was such a good show. Maybe I’ll do a rewatch this weekend.

    • JMP

      I’m in the middle of watching on Netflix right now, so NO SPOILERS! I bet that plucky rebellion is gonna make it!

      • Thiazin Red

        I remember reading the AV club reviews and people would discuss the history, which led other people to complain about spoilers.

        But, there are a lot of non-historical characters whose fate was up in the air, so even if you know generally how things turn out there were still things to be surprised with.

        • JMP

          The first two seasons were really mostly unpredictable, since they cover events for which the actual historical record can be given in a single sentence. Now I’m at the beginning of the third season, which gets into events that are documented.

          • Thiazin Red

            Its pretty amazing what they were able to pull off with the limited budget and shooting a lot of it inside.

          • JMP

            It was made by a number of the same people behind Xena and Hercules, who have experience with that; learning so was what encouraged me to check it out, because I thought the show looked dumb before.

    • akryan

      was that the series that had tons of sex in it? it was very soft-core pornish as I recall.

      • Thiazin Red

        There is a lot of nudity, but unlike GOT it was pretty equal opportunity.

        I will say the pilot is pretty terrible, so I get why people would be hesitant to watch the rest of it.

  • jesterpunk
  • aktlib101

    Good news, or wishful thinking?:
    “Longtime Trump business partner ‘told family he knows he and POTUS are going to prison’: report”
    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/longtime-trump-business-partner-told-family-he-knows-he-and-potus-are-going-to-prison-report/

    “For several weeks there have been rumours that Sater is ready to rat again, agreeing to help Mueller. ‘He has told family and friends he knows he and POTUS are going to prison,’ someone talking to Mueller’s investigators informed me.

    Sater hinted in an interview earlier this month that he may be cooperating with both Mueller’s investigation and congressional probes of Trump.

    “In about the next 30 to 35 days, I will be the most colourful character you have ever talked about,” Sater told New York Magazine. “Unfortunately, I can’t talk about it now, before it happens. And believe me, it ain’t anything as small as whether or not they’re gonna call me to the Senate committee.”

    • akryan

      all big talk until something actually happens. people sometimes like to act like their a big part of an event just as a way of bragging. it’s very Trumpish

    • William
      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        hands are too big

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Fuck that! I would rather see Trump {{{redacted}}}, {{{censored}}}, {{{big hole cut here}}}, {{{ink blot}}}, with votes.

    • Amelia Resists and Persists

      Until something happens, I’m going to assume wishful thinking. The ghost writer for Art of the Deal was back on the news saying Trump is going to resign soon. People just want to be talked about.

      • GoutMachine

        Yeah, I think resigning would require some modicum of self-awareness, and Cheeto Hitler ain’t got it.

        • aktlib101

          Yes, but. Rather than be kicked out by Congress, Trump will probably resign, to save face. If it ever comes to that. Allah willing

          • Amelia Resists and Persists

            Given the way it’s gone with his manufacturing council, it wouldn’t surprise me if he tweeted out “I resign” five minutes after he’s impeached. YOU CANT FIRE ME, I QUIT.

          • marxalot

            I’m personally wondering if there’s a poitn where he takes AF1 overseas and just… never comes back. Because the indictment is ready in DC if he does.
            At that point, what do we do? Do we risk conflict with whatever non-extraditing country (cough cough Russia) he flees to and attempt an extraction? Do we wait for him to get bored and nab him on the move? Do we just freeze his assets and wait for him to starve?

          • cmd resistor

            When he gets to the point where not being Prez is more fun than whatever he gets out of it now, and where he can, in his own tiny mind, pretend it was the liberals and fake news that forced him out.

          • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

            If he thought it would keep him from going to prison, I bet he would.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      NEW LAW: Everything is a nothingburger until it isn’t.

  • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

    I liked this album when it came out (1991), it was like unusually late new wave (the band formed in 1983, but this was their first album) dovetailing into early techno (I saw them play at an early L. A. rave, also note the detergent box graphics).
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOyJP3sVm-3xHJ_UcHeyNEJkTEz-gak0R

  • Reximus
    • Bill D. Burger

      Amazing how quickly he came to the defense of Nazis and Confederates…two of the Bigges Losers in history.

      LOSERS!

  • aktlib101

    Good news, or wishful thinking? (part 2):
    ‘Art of the Deal’ writer says Trump will resign soon”
    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/art-of-the-deal-writer-says-trump-will-resign-soon/

    “In a series of tweets Wednesday, Tony Schwartz—who co-authored the 1987 book that helped define the real estate magnate’s public image—said he thought the walls were closing in on Trump and he would soon leave office in an attempt to save face. ”

    “Every tweet Schwartz sent Wednesday was about Trump. “ Think of Trump as a toddler w/ reactive attachment disorder, and therefore in a permanent virulent tantrum. His development ended at age 7,” he posted, later adding, “Remember that every time Trump criticizes and demeans someone he is projecting his deep sense of inadequacy & self-hatred onto others.

    “Later he wrote in a series of three tweets that Trump’s end would come before the year was out. “The circle is closing at blinding speed. Trump is going to resign and declare victory before Mueller and congress leave him no choice,” Schwartz tweeted. “Trump’s presidency is effectively over. Would be amazed if he survives till end of the year. More likely resigns by fall, if not sooner.”

    • Now I know what the draw was like for the Romans feeding the lions in the Colosseum. Let it have three full acts and a sound epilogue.

      I want my fucking stresses worth.

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      From his lips to god’s ears.

  • jesterpunk
    • JMP

      The General Lee never had no permits, that’s why Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane kept tryin’ to run in those Duke Boys.

      Now I can’t believe how much I watched that show as a kid, too young and ignorant to realize how racist that car was.

      • marxalot

        The car was the least racist and ignorant thing about that show, really. I mean, it wasn’t the car’s fault.

      • cmd resistor

        One of those guys (Cooter?) later was my Congressman for a while.

  • akryan

    I’m in the “don’t go all vigilante” camp. the statues need to come down, but they need to come down as an act of local governance because it symbolizes that it’s more than just a few activists who want them down. It’s an actual act that shows society and culture as a whole has moved past these relics. I think that’s important.

  • Crystalclear12

    “Hello, I’m a leftist radical and I need to be arrested.”
    “No, thank you”

    Those alt-left are so violent!

    • WotsAllThisThen

      They showed up to get arrested without a permit.

      • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

        At 8AM!

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    So we have a little mini-scandal brewing as now there are attempts to recall three Nevada State Senators (2 Dems and 1 Independent). The law firm who is helping to spearhead this effort is the one where the Lt. Governor (a winger Republican) works, and one of the initial backers is an ex-Republican Assemblyman who was bounced out of office last cycle.
    Jon Ralston, our local pundit guru, seems to think this is an effort to abuse the recall process because the Republicans have no path to recapture the State Senate in the 2018 election (all the Dem seats up for grabs are relatively safe, and the only vulnerable ones are 2 Republicans and the 1 Independent targeted for recall). For their part, the Republicans who are willing to talk about this are mealy-mouthing that the reason is that the Dems supported a bill that would have limited ICE’s ability to compel local law enforcement to give the feds data on immigrants being detained. A bill that never even got out of committee.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      How did Nevada end up with Jon Ralston and Brian Burghart?

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        We live well?

        • UncleTravelingMatt

          Maybe. I lived near S. Wells. We lived . . . poorly.

  • lucidamente

    Confederate monuments are so this morning, Dok. Trump is now on to pushing fake war crimes:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/898254409511129088

  • Randy Riddle

    Odds on Trump impeachment in 2017 at 2/1 and 5/4 within his term at betting markets.

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/its-gotten-so-bad-for-trump-that-bettors-are-giving-nearly-even-odds-on-impeachment/

    • GoutMachine

      Clearly the bookies have never met Republicans.

  • PresidentTrumpChicken (R GOP)
    • wide_stance_hubby

      Fear is all they should ever know.

  • IdiokraticCulturalMarxist
  • Bill D. Burger

    Someone posted this right under Melania’s tweet sending , you guessed it, ‘thoughts & prayers’ to Barcelona:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHc_IgAV0AEHP4X.jpg

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      They are more useful than her thoughts and prayers. They are keeping that chair warm for somebody

      • Bill D. Burger

        My favorite response, and it always comes and the person is banned, after Melania tweets is: “Oh shut up and show us your tits.”

        It’s become a must! rotfl

        • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

          Well, she did it once….

          • OutOfOrbit

            oh eleventy times at least

      • BadKitty904

        THANK you very much…

        • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

          Personally, I believe, and again, this is only my belief, that heartfelt prayer does send out some good energy out there into the world. How much it actually helps I don’t know. But to just say “thoughts and prayers” is insincere.

          • BadKitty904

            That last part is all that’s wrong with what is otherwise a perfectly good sentiment.

      • JMP

        Giving your “thoughts and prayers” is quite literally the least you can do, as it is exactly the same as doing nothing.

    • Crystalclear12

      Our feline overlords rule with a kind and indulgent hand and for this you call them USELESS!!

      • Suttree

        They make me smile and feel all fuzzy inside. And outside, and in my nose.

      • Bill D. Burger
        • Suttree

          I am ashamed to say that I know what show that is. Shut up! Melissa Joan Hart is hot.

          • JMP

            She’s also a wingnut, though at least she supported Gary Johnson instead of Trump.

  • Ezio

    Confederate monuments being torn down is no more a threat to “free speech” than a talentless hack’s work being rejected from an art gallery.

    • jesterpunk

      Say you know who else was a talentless hack who had their work rejected by an art gallery?

      • GoutMachine

        George W. Bush?

      • Suttree

        Jon McNaughton?

      • JMP

        Thomas Kincaid?

      • Pinkham’s Law

        Oh! ME! I know this one – me – ME!!!!!!

      • Randy Riddle

        The courtroom artist in the dharma-bro trial?

    • TJ Barke

      I dunno, Hitler was a pretty big threat to free speech…

    • Atheist

      THANK YOU!

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
      • Ezio

        That statue legit looks like something that would come alive to kill people in a horror flick. Though I suppose that horror flick was reality a hundred or so years ago.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Methheads, horses, and guns still don’t mix.

  • Suttree

    I wonder if they even bothered to run anyone’s name. I mean liberals are know scofflaws, why wouldn’t you. Some of these people might have unpaid parking tickets! Or at the very least a forgotten unpaid fine.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      Front desk clerks at police stations see a lot. This was accompanied by a LOT of eye rolling.
      “Everyone who came to be arrested stand in that line over there, with the white footprints. Parking tickets at the second window”.

      • Suttree

        I know New Orleans traffic court well. You do not fuck with those women!

    • Viva La Tabula Raza

      At the very least you think they’d call in INS to check everyone’s immigration status…

    • alpacapunchbowl

      Druggies too! Quick, get about 100 cups out of the break room for urine samples!

  • shivaskeeper

    As far as tearing down the statue, good on them.

    However, they need to face the consequences as well. Anyone who engages in civil disobedience is breaking a law. That’s why it’s civil disobedience.

    The goal should be that the plight of those that get arrested and/or charged with a crime is what gets the law changed.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      ayup.

      • shivaskeeper

        It sucks, but that’s the way it has to be. Punch a Nazi in the head and get caught? You will face an assault charge. Same as they would if they punch you.

        I salute these folks because they knew arrest and prosecution was a possibility and did it anyway.

    • OutOfOrbit

      Hal-a-loo-yuh!

      • shivaskeeper

        It’s just accepting responsibility for your actions.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      The trick is to avoid felony charges.

      • shivaskeeper

        That is the trick. I haven’t see a charge sheet, but I imagine it will be trespass and destruction of property at the minimum. I would assume all misdemeanor unless there is a larger monetary value on the statue that bumps it to a felony.

        • cmd resistor

          Didn’t I read that the one person they had arrested was actually charged with some sort of felony? I could be wrong.

          • shivaskeeper

            Also, too no idea.

        • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

          The DA may have some discretion there? There will be a lot of political pressure either way.

          • shivaskeeper

            I have no idea.

        • doktorzoom

          All eight people are charged with disorderly conduct by injury to a statue and damage to real property, which are both misdemeanors, and participation in a riot with property damage in excess of $1,500 and inciting others to riot where property damage exceeds $1,500, which are both felonies.

          http://www.wral.com/3-more-charged-for-durham-confederate-statue-vandalism-7-total-arrests-made/16886492/

          • shivaskeeper

            OK. We’ll see how it goes then.

          • shivaskeeper

            Rioting seems a bit excessive. Even if the charge stays I don’t think they will be able to get a guilty verdict on that one. But who knows at thus point?

        • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

          The felony charges are related to “rioting”. An UNC law professor was dubious about the felony charges because there was no rioting. There’s also some question about what the DA will decide to prosecute the felony charges. Edited to add: Doc you type faster than me.

        • Beanz&Berryz

          The initial reported charges were felony. Riot with $1500 damage. But DA will have discretion on that.

        • Viva La Tabula Raza

          I wonder what those kids in Dazed and Confused would have been charged with for stealing those statues and painting them to look like the guys in KISS.

  • Marceline

    Re: the house divided…

    It’s the willingness to get arrested that makes the difference. That’s what makes it civil disobedience as opposed to vandalism. I have to admit that I was worried that the people involved wouldn’t take responsibility so that scene in Durham made me breath a sigh of relief. A lot of protesters seem to have no idea about the principles of civil disobedience.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Yep. Letter from a Birmingham Jail wasn’t written by someone who ducked and ran.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Especially the sobbing Nazi protesters.

    • shivaskeeper

      It’s an offshoot of not understanding civics in the first place. For another example see the religious right screeching about civil disobedience in regards to same sex marriage. There is no possible way to engage in civil disobedience against it, bit they threaten it constantly.

    • marxalot

      It’s why we make sure to have bail and jail support set up as part of organized action. Because there will be a civil disobedience bloc, and they will be arrested.

    • doktorzoom

      Agree on the tactics of civil disobedience, absolutely. I’m still not able to get behind people taking the destruction of these damned things into their own hands (and I don’t believe those arrested waited around to be arrested, but I could be wrong).

      I’m not comfortable with the precedent, as I say. Already, somebody in Chicago torched a 1926 bust of Abraham Lincoln, apparently wrapping it in tar paper and tar before setting it on fire.

      Hard to say, though; the Sun-Times says it’s not clear whether that was political or just plain vandalism since the nose had chipped off already and never been fixed; if it was Damn Kids, they may have just been jerks, not Making a Statement.

      • eastcoastlib

        I agree. Maybe the best course of action is erecting statues that truly reflect southern values. Like maybe a giant Ritz cracker made of granite or a statue depicting a lynching? Something that truly encompasses their ignorance and racism.

      • Marceline

        I agree they didn’t wait around to get arrested and I have no doubt that most of the people turning themselves in had nothing to do with it but I’m glad for the show of support that demonstrates how civil disobedience works. You break an unjust law and you accept the punishment.

        I got trained in CD back in the early nineties in preparation to counter Operation Rescue and I still remember those lessons. They asked straight out “Are you willing to be arrested? If so, make a plan.” We were told to decide up front whether we wanted to give our real names, have phone numbers of contacts written on our bodies in permanent marker. If we had a medical condition that would become worse if we sat in jail for days and were denied medicine (diabetes, hypertension, asthma, epilepsy)? If getting arrested would cost us our jobs. One of my concerns with BLM protesters (of which I’ve been one) is that a lot of them had no idea just how bad it could get and they didn’t have a plan.

        • doktorzoom

          Bravo — and thank you. Good note for people planning resistance, too!

  • Bill D. Burger
    • aktlib101

      In fact, the pedestrians were quite aggressive toward that van, slamming into it for no good reason

      • WotsAllThisThen

        What about the alt-walk, do they not have some semblance of guilt?

  • William
    • marxalot

      Biggest collection of 2nd-Place trophies in the damn world.

    • cmd resistor

      Maybe they can saw off all the crappy generals and make a huge display of horse statues somewhere.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        They can take all of the crappy sawed-off generals and make a huge display of horses asses somewhere.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        We could just bury them all for 1000 years so someone can dig them up as archeologist make-work.

        • Viva La Tabula Raza

          Yeah, like that terra cotta army in China…

          • Beanz&Berryz

            Exactly my thought.

      • Parakeetist

        Dingdingding!

      • godsaidHA

        Lithuania has a park full of discarded Soviet statues, popularly known as “Stalin Park.” It’s privately owned. Discarded Confederates–that’s a money-making idea for a theme park!

    • mailman27

      Such great art. Our “beautiful statues.”

  • OutOfOrbit

    I SIDE WITH DOK
    WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS
    LAWS ARE TAKING DOWN THE “MEMORIALS”!

    plz pardon my shouting. the law is working for US and i 4-1 applaudit

  • Viva La Tabula Raza

    NISUS: Good. Out of the door. Line on the left. One cross each. Next. Crucifixion?
    MR. CHEEKY: Ah, no. Freedom.
    JAILER: Hmm?
    NISUS: What?
    MR. CHEEKY: Eh, freedom for me. They said I hadn’t done anything, so I could go free and live on an island somewhere.
    NISUS: Oh. Oh, well, that’s jolly good. Well, off you go, then.
    MR. CHEEKY: Naa, I’m only pulling your leg. It’s crucifixion, really.
    NISUS: Oh, ho ho.
    MR. CHEEKY: Heh heh heh hehh.
    NISUS: I see. Uh, very good. Very good. Well, out of the door. One–
    MR. CHEEKY: Yeah. I know the way. Out of the door.
    NISUS: Line on–
    MR. CHEEKY: One cross each. Line on the left.
    NISUS: Line on the left.
    MR. CHEEKY: Heh heh.
    NISUS: Yes. Thank you.

  • elviouslyqueer

    In related news, there was a rumor that two women with shovels were trying to exhume Nathan Bedford Forrest from his spot in Health Sciences Park in Memphis. I’m praying this turns out to be true.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Meanwhile, whiney Nazi fucks cry on the internet that they have a warrant out for their arrest and want their mommy.

  • eastcoastlib

    So how is everyone enjoying Infrastructure Week so far?

    • Proud Liberal

      It’s been a bang up week hasn’t it?

      • eastcoastlib

        It will forever be remembered as the week Trump went balls to the wall Nazi. What’s really sad is that isn’t hyperbole.

        • Proud Liberal

          What’s even sadder is, nothing will come of it.

          • eastcoastlib

            Well if people continue to support a fucking full blown white nationalist in the White House, we can only hope Putin finally tires of his puppet and removes him.

    • Crystalclear12
      • WotsAllThisThen

        I guess they decided it was a bridge too far.

        • eastcoastlib

          Fix the roads? No. Confederate statues? Yes!

          Make America pre-antebellum south again!

      • Courser_Resistance

        Apparently they weren’t doing jack shit anyway. One of the councils dissolved yesterday had never even met. They were only for show anyway, he never had any intention to listen to anyone.

    • marxalot

      My sink backed up.

      • Yellerduck

        There’s a brand of drain cleaner that comes with a hair remover. Looks like a barbed plastic strip with a pull tab on one end so you can run it down into the trap and pull out whatever’s there. That does it 90% of the time.

    • aktlib101

      Statues coming down is part of infrastructure work, so… good job?

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist
  • Reximus
    • Atheist

      I had a debate with a pro-statue dipshit who went all like “but then they’re going to tear down all the statues.”

      Then I said the argument could work the other way. If we have statues of Robert E Lee regardless of who he harmed then what’s to stop anyone from putting up a statue of Hitler or Himmler?

      Then he’s like “good, I need target practice.”

      Derp derp derp. Lights are on, nobody is home!

      • cmd resistor

        One of my FB “friends” (person I went to high school with) posted a photo of the Statue of Liberty with some line like Hope She Isn’t Next. Fortunately for some reason I don’t see too much of that from my FB peeps so I am able to just scroll by and ignore.

        • everstar

          We won’t have to tear the Statue of Liberty down; at this rate, France is going to come and take her into protective custody.

  • Ezio
  • aktlib101

    And then, there is this:
    “‘Trump’s delivering exactly what they wanted: white male supremacy'”
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/donald-trump-support-base-pennsylvania-voters

    “Trump supporters generally cheer the president’s attack-dog instincts, while critics say Trump’s character and style have emboldened violent expression and created flare-ups of racial and ideological tensions locally.”

    “I’m glad he’s in there right now,” Kuzman said. “Sometimes you got to smack the bully. Like in school. I don’t know how things are going to pan out, but if Korea does something to us, I don’t think he’s going to think twice about going in, and I support that.”

    But Kuzman was not a foreign policy voter. “From my understanding and research on Trump, he does believe in Christian values,” Kuzman said. “And he does not believe in abortion, and he does not believe in gay marriages. To me those are the top three issues. I don’t care who is running.”

    I guess…MAGA?

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    holy shit y’all, 23 hours awake and now this:

    Police officials have suggested there could be a connection between the Barcelona attack and two explosions earlier in the day in a house in Alcanar, a small town in Tarragona about 100km south of Barcelona, in which one person died and 16 people were injured, including police and firefighters who were investigating the first explosion and were hit by a second blast. The explosions had initially been reported as gas explosions.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    This week attained “It’s been a long week” status earlier than any week in recent memory. Thankfully, it’s almost over.

    • Randy Riddle

      Feels like a month. On a United airlines flight.

    • Crystalclear12

      Yeah, because nothing big ever happens on Fridays.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        True, but at least I’m usually a bit better anesthetized.

    • BadKitty904
    • OutOfOrbit

      boob boob friday is neigh

      • BreakingDeadMen

        Friday is the new crazy

        • OutOfOrbit

          i knooooow!

      • Shanzgood

        You get boobs on Friday?

        • Yellerduck
        • OutOfOrbit

          i knoe: you got boobs all day every day since you opened this subject, i think that white Wonkette tee shirt you have looks purdy swell on your boobs

          • Shanzgood

            Not any more! I’ve lost about 15lbs more since then.

          • OutOfOrbit

            Y? RUOK?

          • Shanzgood

            Stress. Some people stress-eat. I stress-starve.

          • OutOfOrbit

            buy donuts, eat donuts, dream of donuts and masterbate with donuts

          • Shanzgood

            I don’t like sweets much and donut sugar especially makes me squirrelly even after just one. At this point, it takes me 2 meals to get through an entire McDonald’s double quarter pounder with cheese, never mind the fries. And I don’t drink soda.

            So what I really need is pasta. Lotsa pasta.

          • OutOfOrbit

            no appetite?

          • Shanzgood

            Not really, no.

          • OutOfOrbit

            what you need to do: TELL your daughter that you’re not eating because you have no appetite, then, “SO COME HERE AND FEED ME! at least once every day.

            I DARE YOU (or are you chicken?)

          • Shanzgood

            Pft. You don’t know my daughter.

          • OutOfOrbit

            how old is she is she a brat not the kind you eat

          • Shanzgood

            She’s 16 and pretty awesome. Trying to get hooked into the habit of having a much better kind of diet involving more fresh fruits and veggies and a lot less McDonald’s. I’m in.

          • OutOfOrbit

            teen gurl can only get awesomeness from awesome mom, tell her you too need chow-down support and she will provide

          • OutOfOrbit

            Deer Daughter of Shanzgood: FEED YOUR MOTHER! You must put food (ready to eat) in front of her every day…you donut have to watch her eat it (me reckomend agin’it). PAWSTA. lots of reveoli & skeddy with meatballs

          • Shanzgood

            I’m working on getting daughter to eat better foods like salads and fruit trays and such instead of Mac and cheese and McDonald’s. She’s finally on board so I’d rather get her to eat well than myself. I can do that later.

    • ThisBearMaulsFascists

      “You mean the week is almost over. Please be precise.” — Guam

  • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
    • JMP

      That was a fun movie up until the incredibly predictable and dumb ending, made even worse by featuring fucking Smashmouth performing “All Star” live.

  • William
    • Bill D. Burger

      Sherman’s greatest mistake was that he stopped waaaay’ too soon.

    • Blackest Noobs

      i wouldn’t mind Sherman doing his march again. looks like the south needs it. again.

      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        Under Trumps environmental policies, Sherman won’t have to march to the sea. The sea will come to Sherman.

    • mailman27

      That’s one disgruntled em-effer.

  • Juan de Fuca

    Back when I was on active duty in the military, we had a large monument of a bull in front of our group HQ. One day, a bunch of us mid-level NCO’s (E-5’s and E-6’s) decided to meet up that night and paint the entire thing pink. So we met up that night and painted that entire tough looking bull pink. Nobody ever said a thing and I’m retired now so DGAF.

    I don’t think I’d personally go so far as to tear down a monument but I won’t judge these folks for doing it. I’d at least paint a confederate statue in rainbow colors is all I’m saying.

    • Blackest Noobs

      sure Juan but it’s easier to wash the paint off than to remove a broke-ass statue.

      • Juan de Fuca

        That’s true and why I’m not judging. If I had my way, I’d do it the way the mayor of Baltimore did it this past weekend. Remove them early in the morning, put them on a truck and move them out. Don’t even make a big deal about it. Just quietly remove them. People will never even know they’re missing.

        • Atheist

          That’s just it. Nobody even cared about the statues until it was announced they were going to be removed. Then neo-Nazi shitheads from hundreds of miles away went to go protest start shit and get violent about statues they didn’t even give the tiniest shit about even a month ago.

          I also like how the major of Baltimore did it. Kind of like ripping off a bandaid that’s been on too long. Just yank it and be done with it.

    • Viva La Tabula Raza

      So did a work detail of E-1s and E-2s have to scrape the paint off?

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      Put up some white surrender flags also too.

  • mrFawkes

    A young friend of mine was set upon by a group of Alt-Left protestors today. He was unharmed but he said they registered him to vote and got him health insurance.

    • jesterpunk

      Those monsters!!!!

    • Ezio
      • TJ Barke

        One side wants to forcibly relocate, enslave or murder all non whites, and enact extreme authoritarianism, the other side wants to create a world where all people of all races, creeds and colors live together in peace, harmony and equality… EXACTLY THE SAME!

        • Pauladrios

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      • YoBunnyBunny

        Also too, this would suggest there’s a mainstream left and an additional ostracized underground left that thinks the mainstream left are all cucks. We have Bernie Bros but they haven’t gotten to the point of advocating racial genocide and slut-training.

        • Carpe Vagenda

          tbf I’m pretty sure Mike Tracey is close.

          • Yeah, but he was beaten bloody by some black thugchick.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            (speaking distinctly so you can understand me around the foam in my mouth)

            Yeah, fuck that guy.

        • Gayer Than Thou

          Maybe, but a tempest is brewing over vegan baby buttholes.

    • TJ Barke

      Tyranny!

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      FASCISTS!

    • BadKitty904

      Great, now I’ve got tea all over everything…

    • Bill D. Burger
    • Kiri the Unicorn

      THOSE MONSTERS!

      • Werewolf

        They ate canned clams?!

    • CeeQ

      Gah! The horrors.

  • La forza del resistino

    Getting a history lesson from Donald re Washington, Lee and Lincoln is like asking your uncle Ed, the plumber, on the efficacy of different birth control products.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Who leaked the new HHS teen pregnancy prevention program to you?

      • La forza del resistino

        The motto from HHS is simply, ‘We’re all fucked, you’re on your own to just say No’.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    This guy right here is Spartacus. Or at least he wields a sword as well.
    https://twitter.com/Emma_The_Ward/status/898238659341815808

    • mailman27

      Abe Vigoda-ish little guys.

    • biologydave

      Level 3 Argonian

  • Ezio
  • Sen. Bob Corker (R-He’s a real), “The president has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful,” the senator told reporters in Tennessee.

    The end is nigh, Donnie.

    • alpacapunchbowl

      “Some of the competence”
      Oh, you Southerners! Such a nice way to say he’s completely incompetent. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c8391cea44adf8e8a15f4df24ebb558ebd0062f21b40b33bc8d3de269d5a7056.jpg

      • Werewolf

        “Bless his heart.”

    • bupkus231

      Hell, I remember when Corker was first running for Senator – against Democrat Harold Ford ( yes, THAT Harold Ford ).

      Certainly, as a Republican the last few years, Corker still doesn’t impress me – but I have to admit I’m glad we dodged the Harold Ford bullet….

      • Corker has surprised me with his behavior, but then again, so did Attila the Hun.

  • Moebym Reborn

    This is a guy who thinks his interior decoration style of “gold-leaf vomit over a random assortment of pieces from luxury home consignment stores” is classy and has artistic merit, but valuable pieces from NYC’s art deco era have none.

    No wonder the blue-blooded families of NYC loathe his guts.

    • BadKitty904

      I’m glad to say they do genuinely despise Trump and his family. And all of them are fully aware of that.

    • ThisBearMaulsFascists

      Anyone who can get Wonkers and old NYC money to unite is CLEARLY a horcrux.

  • Reximus
    • DainBramage

      That’s how my cat handles raccoons.

      • Blackest Noobs

        that’s how my cat handles white people….oh i kid i kid.

    • BadKitty904

      “Fuck off, bear. This is NOT the day to be triflin’ with me…”

    • Bill D. Burger

      We have a little calico mouser in the stables that will do the same thing. She takes over my desk when I’m trying to slack off….er…work out there and sit down. I know just to pet her and back off.
      #1 rule: You know that a dog only wants to please you. Your cat only wants you to please him.

      I’ve learned that rule!

      • Rags

        Dogs have masters, cats have staff.

    • Suttree

      I had my back to you for a reason!

  • DainBramage

    The Capitol needs to be cleansed of the traitor monuments.
    https://twitter.com/RepBarbaraLee/status/898206509376700416

  • Bill D. Burger
    • BadKitty904

      That’s a start…

    • biologydave

      And America’s representative to the world. Sad!

    • bupkus231

      Gee – I remember when “word clouds” were a thing. This one can’t be statistically valid, tho’ – ’cause ASSHOLE doesn’t obscure every other word/phrase in it…

  • jesterpunk

    http://newsthump.com/2017/08/16/donald-trump-says-rebel-alliance-must-also-take-blame-for-violence-as-death-star-had-all-the-required-permits/

    Donald Trump has insisted the Rebel Alliance must take their share of the blame for the violence in the Star Wars universe after revealing the Empire had all the necessary permits to gather at the Death Star.

    Speaking to reporters to clarify his position on the violent battles fought between the two sides, Trump explained that the fake news media are ignoring all the good people inside in the Empire.

    “I don’t see anyone talking about the bad people inside the Rebel Alliance charging at the Death Star even though it had all the necessary paperwork in place and was allowed to be there.

    • Thiazin Red

      Although, that does remind me of the Return of the Jedi discussion in Clerks.

      • jesterpunk

        Thats where i heard something like that before. Thank you.

      • akryan

        beat me to it. the customer that was a plumber gave a nice explanation if you think about it. he basically said, “you know what you’re getting into, and who you’re working for, when you take a job like that, so you can’t complain about the consequences when shit goes wrong,”. pretty good metaphor for this whole situation in retrospect.

      • doktorzoom

        Beat me by five minutes. I hang my head in shame.

    • Rick Hill

      The paperwork had been filed and on public display, Alderaan was destroyed to make way for a new hyperspace bypass

      • Suttree

        It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing
        cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying
        ‘Beware of the Leopard

        • Rick Hill

          Face eating leopard.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      They had a permit to build that Death Star and it passed all the safety inspections!

      • jesterpunk

        Safety inspections? Why do you hate job creators with your communist inspections?

      • doktorzoom

        Bribes were clearly involved though, since there were so many bottemless drops with no safety railings.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bSZXucTH4A

    • doktorzoom

      As Jay and Silent Bob explained, the destruction of the original Death Star was morally unambiguous, since all those killed were combatants. But the destruction of the second Death Star may have been a war crime. Think of all the innocent construction workers!

      • jesterpunk

        Those construction workers knew what they where getting into.

      • Jamoche

        But there must have been a Death Star canteen
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw

        • Thiazin Red

          The thing I always wondered about the Death Star, and Imperial buildings in general is why did they make them white? There must be a massive force of cleaner droids just offscreen all the time keeping it looking spotless.

          • Jamoche

            To drive home that they have the power to have a massive force of cleaner droids.

  • North Carolina Represent!

  • Rick Hill

    I just wanted to point out that, on an earlier thread, Wonketteers upfisted “anusi” more than they upfisted “penis”. What does this mean? Idk. One of you college educated Wonks will need to figure that out
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f5d48ec26e6c51106afe524e5926369ea20f849c43d1c182b7ef3831bffa91c2.png

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      is anusi the plural?
      ; P

      • therblig

        just to be on the safe side, i’m never saying “ani cute?” again.

    • Blackest Noobs

      penis.

    • Suttree

      Vegan babby butthole!

      • TJ Barke

        Butthole yodeling!

    • aktlib101

      Anuses and penises….eses.

      • Rick Hill

        No, only one of those

    • Bill D. Burger
      • Thurman Munster IV

        A million up fists for that. Ouch

    • janecita

      We all have an anus, not all of us have a penis. Plus anus is a funnier word than penis.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Perhaps because TLM doesn’t wank endlessly on the venous nature of anuses.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg
    • doktorzoom

      Fine, fine, so some kid at Hogwarts got a letter.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        “Nah, us at Howarts switched to email long ago.”

    • Jamoche

      Dutch drone-catching police eagles in training: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAYVyj6vf3Y#t=28s

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Yeah we fucking rule dont we?

  • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
  • Gorillionaire

    So proud of my peeps out there!

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Had a really weird night last night. I’m a block from home when a police car with lights flashing comes speeding up behind me. I live on a little dead end and the only place to pull over was in front of my street. The cop tells me to keep moving up, which I do. He get’s out and sez he’s not pulling me over, he’s responding to a call on the street. I tell him I live down there and he asks my address. He sees he’s going to my house. My wife was home so I panicked a bit and let the cops in. By this time, there was another police car. Turns out, my wife had met a young lady on the bus a few times and got to talking. She is going through a separation and divorce because her husband is a violent asshole who had broken her ribs at one time. Last night, he finds where she is staying and comes at her in a drunken rage, knocking her down on the sidewalk and driving off to find some guy who was helping her. Not knowing what to do, she shows up on our doorstep and my wife calls the police. Ambulance comes to check her out. They take pictures of the injuries. They take her to her place since her ex took her keys and phone. Police apologized for freaking me out. All the neighbors were milling about snooping. Wife was freaked out and worried this guy would come after us. I slept on the couch with a large kitchen knife and pipe at hand. This morning the police couldn’t give out too much detail but someone was arrested last night.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      gah!

      Glad the Mrs. is okay! (and you and the young lady).

      It was a brave thing y’all did and good on ya.

    • shivaskeeper

      Good on you for being one of the helpers.

    • BadKitty904

      a.) Your wife is a wonderful woman;
      b.) You’re a brave man;
      c.) Y’all be careful.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Yes, she is. I do what I can.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Seriously, be careful. I hope you have a dog.

    • Atheist

      Oh man :( I hope she eventually shakes him off, but the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship is when she’s trying to leave.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        She’s from Turkey and has no one here. She’s trying to get the money to get back home.

        • Skeptical_thinker

          GoFundHer

    • alpacapunchbowl

      That is scary! Good on your wife for taking care of the bus lady.

    • janecita

      People like your wife are the reason why I haven’t given up on the human race. She sounds like an amazing woman.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Considering all the shit she deals with for being blah, she is still the first to jump in and help out the little guy or gal.

        • janecita

          That makes her even more amazing. You are a lucky man.

    • Thurman Munster IV

      Maybe the cops shouldn’t make the same mistake as Mike Ehrmantraut did.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Oh, how scary. I’m glad everyone with the exception of drunken asshole is OK. Him, I hope faces repercussions.

    • The Person.

      I don’t know if this is against the Wonkette rules to say, but I suggest buying an object that propels half-oblong lead and copper lumps very fast to protect self, wife, and bus lady.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        certain products that release capsecuin, shutting down one’s ability to see and breathe are cheaper and less permanent.

        • The Person.

          That’s true.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i haven’t used it, but i’ve carried it. There’s a risk of accidental triggering and self infliciting wounds, but it’s a lot less goddamn dangerous and permanent than firearms.

            Also, I’ve heard an enraged and our tweaked out attacker will take a bullet and keep going. When he can’t freakin’ see or breathe, shit tends to get harder.

            It’s a win win in my head, but that’s me.

          • The Person.

            That’s correct. Handfuns aren’t very incapacitating to the determined attacker. They rely on the OHMYGOD I’VE JUST BEEN SHOT factor more than anything. Plus that capscaicin did wonders on our weepy nazi.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            and that assumes you hit them. I have literally NO experience with them, but being afraid and in a struggle, i’m not sure i could hit a target in an average bedroom.

            Sure, shotguns take care of the aim problem when close up, but there’s a lot of other nasty things to go with that.

          • Fancy Meau-Faux

            Load it with birdshot if you are using a shotgun in the house. You don’t have to worry about holes in your walls or neighbors from over penetration.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            what about that thing about rock salt? Is that true?

          • Fancy Meau-Faux

            Not a clue. A quick google search indicates that rock salt is mostly useless at any distance over 10 feet and questionably effective even within 10 feet.

          • SadDemInTex

            Can we get bear spray in Texas?

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i dunno – it’s a real bastard to just find regular grade pepper spray. 10 years ago I had to go to a cop supple store to get some for an ex who lived in a scary neighborhood.

          • SadDemInTex

            What about online? My biggest fear is me accidentally spraying myself. Jeeezus I could get a gun so easily!

        • Mr. Blobfish

          Forgot about that. we have several lying around.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            but you slept with a knife and a pipe?

            sorry, that’s wasn’t cool – you were stressed and scared.

            FWIW, a buddy who studied some martial arts noted i carried a knife around in my car. He told me, unless you know how to use it, it’s gonna end up being used on you.

          • marxalot

            “A weapon you do not know how to use belongs to your enemy.” Advice I got right before I got knife combat training. And even still, I generally stick to a length of something heavy and solid. 20 inches of 1.25″ diameter brass hexrod has authority.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i suspect 20 inches of most anything has authority…the fact that its sharp just makes it COMMANDING!

            ; P

      • Mr. Blobfish

        We’re morally opposed. Plenty of blunt a sharp objects, tho.

        • The Person.

          Gotcha.

    • HazooToo

      Be safe, you two. And you’re also really wonderful for taking care of her the way you did.

    • eastcoastlib

      Good on both you and your spouse. We cannot sit idly by and pretend other peoples problem don’t effect us. When asked for help, your wife offered it even knowing that doing so could bring danger to herself and those she loves. That is courage.

    • therblig

      wow, you really are more than just a pretty face. good for you and ms blobfish.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      Thank you for being courageous and loving in this country that often seems to be missing those qualities.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      You are such exemplary humans! And in this day and age, too. Hearts to you and your wife and especially that poor woman.

    • SadDemInTex

      Your wife is amazing and wonderful and so are you!

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    Bob Corker — who supported Trump — today:

    We should hope that (Trump) aspires that he does some self-reflection, that he does what is necessary to demonstrate stability, to demonstrate competence, to demonstrate that he understands the character of our nation and works daily to bring out the best of the people in our nation.

    No stability.
    No competence.
    No understanding.

    BUT HER EMAILS!

  • ThisBearMaulsFascists

    He really IS President Cartman, isn’t he. Just imagine it in the kid’s trademark faux-plaintive gargle: “What is happening to our beautiful statues?”

    • Thiazin Red

      Speaking of, I wonder how much influence South Park had on the current group of young alt-right guys.

      • ThisBearMaulsFascists

        And/or what led them to misidentify characters meant to serve as cautionary tales (or even just frank sociopaths) as role models.

      • HorseChestnut

        South Park definitely contributed to the bullshit anti-PC mania at a bad time, and I couldn’t watch it anymore after their stupid anti-trans shit. Made me really sad.

        • Thiazin Red

          I liked it generally, but the central message seemed to increasingly be that caring about anything is stupid, and people are lying when they say that they care.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          ugh, their personal responsbility crap got old, real fast.

          What’s weird is in the late 90’s – the height of “PC”, they were still making filthy jokes.

          They’re brilliant satirists at times, but kinda fuck heads too.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            and i realize the irony, with my avatar, i just actually feel like that some days.

      • akryan

        I mentioned this earlier. they’re the only show to make anti-semitism a constant on running joke. this has been going on for almost 20 years now. I do have to say that their Game of Thrones trilogy was fucking brilliant though.

      • bupkus231

        I was gonna ask if Beavis and Butthead might have been a bigger influence – but then I realized I was an oldz….

    • alpacapunchbowl

      I used to be able to do a REALLY good Cartman.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        that makes you even cooler.

        • alpacapunchbowl

          D’aw, shucks!

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        p.s. Ever seen this?

        I’m delirious, so it’s gonna crack me up even more.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFrASjyHW0s

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          wait is that you?!?

          (told you delirious)

    • mackafritz

      “Respect my authoritah!”

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
  • La forza del resistino

    what’s the worst job: Bernie Madoff tax adviser or WH press aide?

    • jesterpunk

      Yes

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      pffft, easy.

      Bernie lied to his tax people.
      Press Aides have to lie to the public.

    • TJ Barke

      It’s going to be Trump’s criminal attorney. That’ll be the worst job.

      • La forza del resistino

        Right. He/she will have to go to another court to get paid.

      • Skeptical_thinker

        He will claim indigence and get a public defender.

    • Bobathonic

      Splitting wormtongues.

  • Claire

    Jennifer Rubin drops truth bomb, says out loud that the entire carnival freak show that is the Republican base must be thrown overboard:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/08/17/is-the-gop-a-lost-cause/?utm_term=.084274240f28

    • Atheist

      The GOP had their chance to do the right thing and they blew it.

  • Ezio

    White supremacists: We want a whites only ethnostate.

    Black lives matter: Stop killing unarmed black men, women and children. Police need to be held accountable.

    Morons: Whoa! These two groups are both equally dangerous in ideology.

    • Bobathonic

      They actually pay no attention and think BLM wants to kill all cops. They’re stoopid that way.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        they think BLM wants to kill cops and white people.

        • willi0000000

          . . . when all BLM wants to do is collect some cattle and back-owed fees.

        • Bobathonic

          They insist on their own facts. It’s so goddamned aggravating how much misinformation some people absorb.

        • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

          To them, angry dark skinned people are more threatening than angry white skinned people by a power of 10.

        • The Person.

          Snopes features all the most bizarre accusations RWNJS have made towards BLM.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Beyond words, which after this week is kind of a lot.

    These trees – and my beleaguered husband the arborist backs me up here – make shit wood. The only possible commercial use for them would be grape stakes and particle board.

    https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/898201594533220357

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      He said just trying to be as a evil as possible at this stage.

    • DainBramage

      Treebeard needs to get his rage on.

    • bupkus231

      Hey – there’s money to be made from grape stakes and particle board

      ETA: Come to think of it, don’t the Koch Bros. own Georgia Pacific, one of the largest paper products firms in the world? This could mean 4 or 5 more cents in dividends to shareowners ( and several million to each of the Kochs, of course )

    • jesterpunk

      He heard Obama was for saving the trees.

    • Sean McLaren

      Yup, it’s just to spit in the eye of anyone who cares about nature. They’ll probably carve them into pieces to sell to assholes who want to brag about having a hunk of a 2000 year old tree on their desk.

      • therblig

        as old as jesus’ cross – $100

      • Persistent Demme

        Spit in the eye of California, too.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Yep. See that? On the elephant foreskin cushion? That was alive when Jesus was, and I haid it kilt so the maid would have something to dust.

    • Jamoche

      Nobody tell him about old-growth redwood, though. We’ve still got some of it, and that shit you get at Home Depot has nothing on it. I do scale minis so the tighter the grain the more authentic it looks; new redwood has grains wider than the wood I cut. This isn’t the oldest stuff, but it’s not Home Depot:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1103b691b9d01156736b11b1b6e91e85114e047631c515516fb5ff65b31d8267.jpg

      • Carpe Vagenda

        This hurts. We went to Muir Woods on our honeymoon, and didn’t get a picture of the tree that came down because a pack of asshole german tourists got between the camera and the tree and stopped for a cigarette.

  • Thiazin Red

    In addition to the young Han Solo movie, a stand alone about Obi Wan is in production. But between the movies, Clone Wars and Rebels, what part of his life other than early childhood isn’t already fully covered?

    • AJ Milne

      Han Solo: In Utero.

      • willi0000000

        Obi Wan, a glimmer in daddy’s eye.

        • AJ Milne

          ISWYDT.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        His Dad shot first?

        • AJ Milne

          Made the Fallopian run in 12 centimetres.

  • memzilla Ω
  • Kiri the Unicorn

    More Things Kiri Is Not Allowed To Say To Customers:

    GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT CRAPPY PLASTIC JUNK FRAME YOU PICKED UP AT FUCKING HOBBY LOBBY YOU ARE INSULTING ME.

    • La forza del resistino

      the all caps says you could dial it down and go with a more wooden response. :)

    • Msgr_MΩment

      More Things Kiri Is Not Allowed To Say To Customers.
      Anymore.

    • Shucky Ducky

      Today I removed a copy of the first newspaper printing of the text to the Star Spangled Banner from a painted frame that looked like something hanging in a frat house with a poster containing some moto-bullshit platitude about “leadership” and a picture of a Porche. I wanted to stab out my eyeballs.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Plural of ‘Spartacus’: Spartaci?

  • Paperless Tiger

    My conservative friend wants to know, “Where’d all these fucking Nazis come from?”

    • Ummmm, hiding?

    • TJ Barke

      Is he stupid?

      • GoutMachine

        Conservative, so, yes.

      • redarmyzombie

        This is a rhetorical question, yes?

    • HorseChestnut

      All these fucking Nazis that he’s been mocking us for shouting about for years? Those Nazis?

    • Bobathonic

      Obama made them.

    • HorseChestnut

      And did you know Gamergate had a lot of misogynists? Who could have known!

    • AJ Milne

      “What… They’re not from _your_ ‘hood?”

    • Ezio

      White supremacy never went away. People of color know this. Nazis coming out of the woodwork is only new to mainstream white folks who think racism went the way of the dinosaurs because MLK marched on Washington that one time.

  • jesterpunk
  • Rick Hill
    • Meh

      I object…he’s not nearly as attractive as that cartoon makes him out to be.

      • Rick Hill

        He has to make himself loathsome and unattractive for his scheme to work/

        • Meh

          Well…if his plan was to make himself loathsome and unattractive, I do believe he accomplished that mission back in…when was he born?

  • Bitter Scribe

    This is making me think of the National Lampoon’s “Eight Days that Shook Wook, Iowa: The Assassination of Spiro T. Agnew.” A running gag was that more and more people kept confessing to killing him, until it took a football stadium to contain them all.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance
  • marxalot

    NYC comrades: fave place to grab some Chinese food? Takeaway or dine-in, $-$$, chill af, pls and ty.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      What borough?

      • marxalot

        Brooklyn or Manhattan, south of the park if takeaway, though I’ll go just about anywhere for good stuff.

        • Carpe Vagenda

          Neighborhood in Manhattan? BC the Grand Sichuan two blocks north of the Houston stop of the 1 train up 7th Avenue South has good food, it’s not too spendy, and it’s definitely chill AF

          eta: try the cumin lamb.

          • marxalot

            I’m staying between the West Village and Chelsea, right on the Hudson, but I’m gonna be all over Midtown at least one day and I can get about anywhere.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Well, there are Grand Sichuans all over Manhattan, but this is a neighborhood place with pretty decent food and mellow staff, so I still recommend it.

            If you want to try classic NY-style old school cantonese, there’s always Hop Kee on Mott Street. Anthony Bourdain (and I, separately) used to go there as a kid.

    • janecita

      Do you want good and sort of shabby, or not as good but really nicely decorated?

      • marxalot

        I love dives that conceal brilliance with a passion that outshines the sun. Gimme that kindy shabby/sorta sketchy but delicious goodness.

        • janecita

          Han Dinasty is really good. We ate there after a concert a couple of months ago, and it was delicious.

          http://handynasty.net

  • David Chaillou

    FWIW, my vote is totally against illegal destruction. The degree of evil that the continuation of these objects represents does not justify weakening our democratic system for decision-taking.

    • La forza del resistino

      Agreed. Donald got a permit to destroy a beautiful deco Bonwit Teller bldg and erect his phallic Tower.

      • therblig

        phallic delusion

      • Msgr_MΩment

        No. He AGREED when he began that he would preserve it.
        He just didn’t keep his word.
        I know, shocking.

        • puredog

          Well, it was going to delay his project two weeks and cost him a coupla bucks. Priorities, man.

    • jowgajen

      Situation is mitigated by the fact that the state assembly passed a law in 2015 preventing the locality from removing the statue legally. In cases of lawmakers failing to represent the public, you do tend to get vigilantism. There is a duty for the law to be just equal to a citizen’s duty to abide by the law.

      • Bobathonic

        Is painting them banned or just removal? How about adding accoutrements?

        • Shucky Ducky

          I would be so happy to bury confederate statues in bags of dicks. Can we re-use the ones we sent to the Bundy-ites, or do you think that might get icky?

          • puredog

            They probably already are icky.

    • akryan

      I have mixed feelings. On one hand I think that there is something important about statues being taken down legally because it shows that society and culture as a whole has moved past these relics and what they represent, much more than a group of activists tearing down the statue ever could. It brings a sense of closure. On the other hand, that’s coming from a place of priviledge, because as a white man in a town without any such statues, I’m not forced to walk by monuments to men that wanted to keep my ancestors in chains, with the knowledge that most of the people in my town have no problem with that. I’d want to rip them down too as justice delayed is justice denied.

      • David Chaillou

        Have a vigil relay next to them, or a similar form of non-violent civil protest. But destroying them sows violence and so is inherently counterproductive.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    History will not be kind to the Cult45ers
    https://twitter.com/CleverTitleTK/status/897906901266161668

    • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

      Boom indeed.

  • BadKitty904

    Since we’re obviously going to need a LOT of replacements, I suggest we put up statues of cats.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7c1f91b19d5eee4c740524222999953326c83fc0cb387a404bc26b05d016b32e.jpg

  • Anna Rompage

    100+ people voluntarily try to turn themselves in and stand in solidarity with the people who have been jailed

    Meanwhile, in conservatopia, a guy is crying there’s a warrant out for his arrest due to his actions last fri & sat, and he’s made a statement that he’s armed…

    Who are the snowflakes again?

  • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶
  • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶
    • Rick Hill

      Gee. they came up with a match site for trump supporters. Don’t they have one for nazis?

      • mackafritz

        Isn’t there a big overlap between the two?

        • Rick Hill

          Be fair, some trump supporters are just money grubbing whores who will sell their country out for their portfolio to move a couple of points

        • alpacapunchbowl

          Is onlyfarmers.com the one that’s stealth whites-only?

          • hendenburg2

            They might Darius Rucker in, given that their ads are already country music videos

      • spangled

        it would be 95% dudes

        and “women” – aka dudes catfishing other dudes

        • hendenburg2

          I think you mean G.I.R.L’s

          (Guy In Real Life)

      • Master Contrail Program

        OkStupid?

      • Master Contrail Program

        I think Datehookup.com covers all those needs quite nicely. Well, not nicely. Thoroughly though.

      • therblig

        VirginMingle?

    • DainBramage

      Poor Chris needs a tissue.

      • Marion in Savannah

        And a tube sock.

        • OutOfOrbit

          Holey socks, Batman!

          *Cleeean-up in the boys department!*

    • therblig

      like he was ever going to get a date anyway.

    • BigBoppa ~ Résistent

      Unfortunately, he has a lifetime membership with OkStupid.

  • Jennifer R

    Hey open thread, any chance you know of any GLBTQ friendly tattoo artists in the Sacramento area? I think I have enough saved aside to at least swing getting my idea outlined.

    • HazooToo

      No, but what’s your idea? Can we see?

      • Jennifer R

        Trans pride symbol done to look like it’s been clawed or scratched into my leg.

        • HazooToo

          That sounds painful and awesome at the same time!

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah, I just need to find an artist to talk to about doing it now.

          • HazooToo

            I hope you find somebody really good. And you have to show us pictures when it’s done!

          • Jennifer R

            Oh yeah I am absolutely gonna be showing it off everywhere all the time.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    This is quite disturbing:

    https://twitter.com/trumps_feed

    I guess that and Fox & Friends is where he gets his news.

    • HazooToo

      “Should illegals be able to practice law”? Jesus…

    • Canis Greyhame

      Eesh, seeing the world through Trump-colored glasses. Looks a lot like a dumpster fire.

  • Panika MCD

    I am Smarticus.

  • TheGrandWazoo2
  • Rick Hill
    • OutOfOrbit

      yee ghad

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Uhhhhh . . .

  • “Yr Dok Zoom thinks it sets a bad precedent and is likely to make Bad People feel justified in doing Bad Things, ”

    … as if Bad People NEEDED any justification. The idea that Bad People are less likely to do Bad Things if Good People obey the law is just wrong.

    • OutOfOrbit

      justification = Both Sides Do It

      • Sean McLaren

        which they’re going to say anyway

        • OutOfOrbit

          but that will be a yellow lie

    • Serai 1

      I agree. They will find their justification in anything. That’s no reason to refrain from acting.

  • HazooToo

    Guys, this has things in it I did not know, because I don’t give two shits about their music. But I do care about people getting fucked over because they like music, and maybe some of you didn’t know this stuff either.

    https://twitter.com/i/moments/898253941611220996

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i don’t know much about their culture – if they aren’t violent dickheads, okay fine.

      I will say that at one time the FBI deemed juggalos an criminal gang (which i guess means something, i can’t remember). ICP sued, with the help of ACLU, IIRC.

      • HazooToo

        Yeah, I had never heard about that before. I didn’t realize that they actually had a point, because it seemed ridiculous that they would actually be considered a threat just because they’re hardcore fans of a band! Sure, they look weird and the music sucks, but going so far as to label the entire fanbase as affiliated with a gang is nuts!

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          if you’re interested, you can put them into wikipedia to find out more.

          • HazooToo

            I’ve been trying to track down articles about it, but it’s difficult. They don’t seem to have a site anymore.

  • Sean McLaren
    • jowgajen

      Where’s the nearest rail?

    • Canis Greyhame

      That’s a 19th century solution for a Jim Crow era problem.

      • Shucky Ducky

        I’m all for plastering Stonewall Jackson with a scarlet “A” [shhh..the A stands for Asshat!]

    • Blackest Noobs

      FUCK. YEA. like a LOT.

    • Claire
    • Augustus

      I approve but boy them’s fightin’ words

      I fear insurrection may ensue

    • Richard Girlswin

      This is the most appropriate vandalism . Way harder to remove than grafitti too.

  • CripesAmighty

    Was originally with Dok on this one, thinking, ‘Welll, the good folks should just go see their friends on the City Council and, YANKEROO, toot sweet’.
    UNTIL I discovered that our antebellum, gerrymandered legislature adopted some sneaky-ass ‘preemptive’ legislation forbidding local governments from removing anything no matter how crass, tacky or tasteless with “Waoh of Nawthun Aggresshion” affixed.
    ‘Local control’, my ass. Pull that fucker down.

  • marxalot
  • UnsaltedSinner

    American history classes must be like something out of “Through the Looking-Glass”.

    https://twitter.com/GeraldoRivera/status/898039806382440448

    • h4rr4r

      Did he have a stroke?

      • hendenburg2

        Actually, no that’s pretty accurate.

        Both Lee and Rommel are thought of as being brilliant tacticians even though they were both eventually defeated.

        On top of that, conversations about Rommel generally don’t include the fact that he was a Nazi, and most people don’t talk about Lee in terms of the fact that he literally kidnapped free black men and sold them into slavery

        • bookish

          I did not know either of those things.

        • h4rr4r

          Pickett’s charge suggests otherwise.

          Who is having these conversations? I sure as hell have never shied away from mentioning those things.

          Both of them were tarnished by what they fought for and what happened.

        • alpacapunchbowl

          Was Rommel the Desert Fox? WHY WOULD SOMEONE GIVE A NAZI A COOL-ASS NICKNAME?
          You can’t go around giving Nazis awesome nicknames, fer chrissakes.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      FFS.

      Nope, nope, nope.

      Can’t handle this as i close in on 24 hours awake.

      (THEY WERE FUCKING TARNISHED BY THEIR ASSOCIATIONS GERRY!)

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        also too – you know fighting on the side of hateful causes.

    • bupkus231

      Untarnished, huh? Geraldo, you have no more knowledge of Rommel than Rump has of Pershing – i.e., the myth you believe about Rommel ignores so many instances where he was certainly not worthy of “glory”.

      You are a failed journalist, who never approached glory, you fucking puke.

      • puredog

        Pssst, Gerardo? You DO know that Dead Breitbart was buried with a whole lot of valuable intel? I say you go disinter him on camera. Hop to it.

    • akryan

      how the fuck is that even possible? as far as I recall Rommel worked for Hitler who came to power based on his far right bigotry and authoritarianism. then he started invading his neighbors for no good reason. Rommel was apparently cool with all of that. so I’d say that yes, he was tarnished by the sins of his brothers.

    • alpacapunchbowl

      I wonder if his Star of David tattoo started to burn and sizzle as he typed that.

  • capnkrunch

    Anyone been following the deal with Daily Stormer? After they got kicked off GoDaddy and Google, they moved to a .ru domain [1] (too lazy to do the HTML for all the links) and were back online after only ~1 day. Then, Cloudflare terminated their DDoS protection services [2] and they got shut down by attackers immediately. Best quote from the Cloudflare CEO [3]:

    My rationale for making this decision was simple: the people behind the Daily Stormer are assholes and I’d had enough … I woke up this morning in a bad mood and decided to kick them off the Internet.

    Then earlier today, they got booted from the Russian domain due to violating Russian hate speech laws (that’s a LOL) [4]. Apparently they have (or are working on) moving to the dark web which seems appropriate to me (fuck off to the parts of the web where other extremist organizations hang out I say).

    I feel two ways about this. It’s hilarious that Nazis got booted off the internet. But I don’t like that a single person has the power to snap his fingers and take you off the internet because he thinks you’re an asshole. On the other hand, that’s not really what happened. Hackers took them down which is what would happen to anyone without the resources to pay for DDoS protection.

    I think it’s naive to pretend that rights are being violated here when the “rights” only exist if you have the money to pay for them. In a world where there was actually equal opportunity to use the internet as a platform, I would be much more upset and worried about what happened to Daily Stormer.

    [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/shunned-by-godaddy-and-google-racist-daily-stormer-moves-to-russian-domain/
    [2] https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/
    [3] http://www.businessinsider.com/the-daily-stormer-got-pushed-offline-by-hackers-2017-8
    [4] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/neo-nazi-daily-stormer-loses-its-russian-domain-too/

    • h4rr4r

      TOR and the like are perfect for them. It means only dedicated Nazis will bother. It will make recruiting that much harder.

      • puredog

        I’m a nimrod and wouldn’t have the first idea how to get onto the dark web. My only concern here is that, if nazis are incentivized to figure it out, they could get up to a certain amount of mischief there (weapons, drugs, etc.) that is presently beyond their grasp.

    • jowgajen

      I presume that the internets and Cloudflare must follow Federal anti-discrimination laws as any public accommodation does. Which means you have the right to deny service to anyone provided your rationale for denial of service is not discriminatory against protected classes, ie. race, color, creed, gender, etc. Nazis are not a protected class. So there ya go.

    • Atheist

      Eh, we’re not talking about people who have a mere difference of opinion (making the case for grape jelly rather than strawberry). We’re talking about people who think entire groups of people should simply cease to exist. That Vice/HBO video caught plenty of “purging the degenerate races” speech to prove it.

      The Nazis don’t have the Internet now. But the Nazis snapped their fingers and made *actual people* disappear in WWII. Context.

      • jesterpunk

        They don’t have the Daily Stormer but they have the White House, Fox News, Breitbart and other websites and Sinclair stations.

      • capnkrunch

        I’m totally with you. But when things like this happen you have to turn around and think what if the positions were reversed? Imagine Wonkette was paying Cloudflare for DDoS protection and the CEO was Steve Bannon. Some neo-Nazis goons come to him and say “we want to take them down. Get out of the way.” There’s no more protection for Wonkette in the hypothetical as there was for Daily Stormer in reality.

        That said, that specifically comes down to being a contract issue more than anything else. If you don’t sign a contract that says they can terminate it at will then you have some legal protection.

        What is scary is how this illustrates just how tenuous your ability to stay online is. The websites we know and love are just as subject the whims of the gatekeepers as the Nazis are. In this case it just happens that we agree with them.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    Breaking News In stolen cat caper, kitty litter leads Denver police to culprit

    Thanks to a good suspect vehicle description and license plate number, Officer Moore tracked down a listed address for the vehicle in Aurora.

    With a little help from APD, Officer Moore went to the listed address and discovered a vehicle matching the description given by the family, as well as kitty litter scattered around the driveway.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0093fa8a63fc07ceabefa96b2c80623d4853d7e66802514837d19cb0649de2e2.jpg

    http://www.9news.com/news/weird/in-stolen-cat-caper-kitty-litter-leads-denver-police-to-culprit/465150780

    • Blackest Noobs

      why someone gotta go steal someone’s pussy?
      unlike what the President said, you can’t go grabbing any pussy you want.

    • BadKitty904

      Kitty litter – is there nothing it can’t do?

      • Blackest Noobs

        it’s also useful in containing radioactive waste too.

        • BadKitty904

          See?

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          soaks up engine oil I hear.

          • Blackest Noobs

            and if stuck in snow…helps make tires get traction.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            what is this “snow” of which you speak?

            ; P

          • Blackest Noobs

            give it a few years…Texas will be sure to get some.

      • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

        Can it leap tall buildings in a single bound?

        • BadKitty904

          Prolly.

      • puredog

        There are better things to use for hamburger helper. A friend tells me.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Yr Evan is busy helping his doggo not freak out about a thunderstorm in Memphis and has not been polled on the matter

    Ouch…my dogs lose their shit when it does more than a light drizzle (good thing we live in drought-prone SoCal.) Good luck, Evan!

  • Joe Beese
  • Meh

    Today on NPR, a Romanian Jew who was in the fucking Holocaust said for the first time in 45 years, he was scared to live in this country.

    Just let that sink in for a moment.

    • Joe Beese

      When I was a boy learning about the Holocaust, Father Beese explained that every country in eastern Europe hated Jews, but Romania was the worst of them all.

      • Atheist

        From what I understand the Romani have a hard time there, too. Their settlements are routinely bulldozed by authorities.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Weird how that happened, Assange being such a stand-up champion of uncovering dirty government secrets, hmm? *rubs chin thoughtfully with thumb*
    https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/898267226310025216

    • mancityRed6

      duh, they wouldn’t pay him if he had.

    • Atheist

      Holy shit that is huge!

      Or should I say, YUGE

    • puredog

      Phrased otherwise: “Oh, those? I’ve got those already. But thanks.”

  • Joe Beese
    • puredog

      So they’re going to move backwards and open potholes, tear up roads, and dynamite bridges? Winning!

  • bookish

    A Q&A with Brennan Center fellow Michael German, a former FBI special agent and counterterrorism expert

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-charlottesville-nazis-confederate-monument/537195/?utm_source=nl-politics-daily-081717

    The counterterrorism expert, who spent time undercover with American militia movements and neo-Nazi groups as an FBI agent, argues that endorsement emboldens the far-right, an umbrella term he uses to encompass a range of ideologies from white nationalists to neo-Nazis to militias to self-described alt-right conservatives.

    I spoke with German, who is now a fellow in the Brennan Center for Justice’s Liberty and National Security Program, about the violence in Charlottesville, the way police and the administration responded, and how the media covers white nationalism. A transcript of our conversation, edited for length and clarity, appears below.

    • mancityRed6

      it’s the Wed? Tue? presser at his tower where he out right called them the “alt left” but said “what you call the alt right”.
      yeah, since I hope he’s never ever had a pet, he doesn’t know what a dog whistle is.

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        shit, he clearly doesn’t know his own left from right.

        • mancityRed6

          oh, he does. he might be dumb, but he’s not…ok, stupid maybe, but he knows whose name they were marching in last weekend.

          • CripesAmighty

            He is dumb. And stupid. But he does have the finely-honed, primitive predatory and self-preservation instincts of primordial sea predators–sharks.

          • mancityRed6

            I’m not even sure about that. especially with his track record.
            and what his spawn said about getting the money for golf courses from Russians.

  • La forza del resistino

    In today’s day in history WH paid ‘architects’ determine where to hang the TRUMP signage on the Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln monuments

  • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶
    • Bitter Scribe

      Man, those Frenchies have style!

    • Joe Beese

      Of course. Donald Trump is a rubbish bin.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      If it were on fire, maybe.

    • alpacapunchbowl

      After posting this and a couple photos I took at the wimmenz march, I had at least one RWNJ acquaintance unfriend me on the ole FB. Good riddance, loser; Paris, je t’aime!

      • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

        that will have been a time-saver in the long run

    • Stulexington

      rubbish bin libels!!!

  • CripesAmighty

    And if ya wanna know who’s really responsible for this, look no further than former Charlotte Mayor, and NC Governor Pat McCrory; who, previously playing the role of advocate for his fellow local gubmints’ autonomy–upon ascending to the latter office became the Benedict Arnold of local governments, selling them down the river, lock stock and barrel over the falls with rafts of noxious ‘preemptive’ edicts from the legislature.
    Fuck you very much, Pat.

  • puredog

    Those cops — taking refuge behind a technicality to avoid arresting people. Ain’t it just like them?

  • Joe Beese
    • puredog

      Needs moar iceberg.

  • Blackest Noobs

    hoax/joke whatever. you still haven’t done the paperwork like a good Nazi.

    “So far, Kid Rock has not filed a statement of candidacy with the Federal Election Commission”
    -http://www.npr.org/2017/07/14/537216425/-not-a-hoax-claims-kid-rock-about-michigan-senate-bid

    And after this weekend and Trump’s impotent attempts at containing it politically, hasn’t Americans have their filled of incompetent boobs running for office?

    • puredog

      The story behind this, at least in part, is that the FEC won’t let him sign up as “Kid Rock” — his nom de guerre — but only under his real name of “Robert James Ritchie.” No brand identification there. Which, with these maroons, is all.

      • Joe Beese

        In this case, it’s a nom de douche.

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    I get where you are coming from, Dok, but bad people already feel justified in doing bad things. It’s what makes them bad to begin with. They will always find someone else to blame for their behavior, but that doesn’t make the excuse valid or acceptable. It’s my hope the tearing down of the statue in Durham continues to force more cities to act, and take them down themselves.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i hear you – but I’m with dok.

      BUT, what happens when they tear down a statue of MLK? Harvey Milk?

      When they rip off the plaque at the stonewall inn?

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        I think when they are running people down in the streets, our monuments may be the least of our worries.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          respectfully, that’s a different thing.

          We tore down a monument. Those who did (and their allies) are taking responsibility. That’s fine…

      • marxalot

        We put it back.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          did you see the statue after they tore it down in Durham? It was a crumpled mess.

          What if the artist isn’t alive anymore? What if a fucked up city council moves to block a replacement going up? What if they decide to put up Lee instead of MLK?

          I’d ask who would pay for it, but plenty of lefty’s would donate to put it up, so that’s a moot point.

      • h4rr4r

        They would not have torn it down if there was a legal way to remove it. In NC you need to get approval from the state to remove them, which they will not grant.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          i was aware of that – but that law was apparently passed just last year.

          I don’t see how it’s legal…but i can see how people sick of the shit would do it. (FWIW, in other places they decorate the statues in various ways to mock the person being commemorated.)

      • Claire

        I follow Ijeoma Oluo on Twitter, and she’s taking a social media break right now so I can’t link the post; but she basically said “Um, you know that looking at people tearing down symbols of hatred and genocide and wringing your hands about property damage is basically the most white privilege thing you can possibly do, right?”

        What happens when they tear down a statue of MLK? I don’t know, I think probably the world won’t end. It’s certainly not going to make MLK disappear out of history. Ripping off the plaque at the Stonewall Inn isn’t going to make the Stonewall Inn cease to exist. It’s a plaque, we can make more. How is any of this an argument against tearing down monuments to white supremacy that cause legitimate harm to African-Americans whose ancestors were enslaved, who have to walk past the glorification of their enslavers every day? Show me the MLK statue that is so irreplaceable that it’s a worthwhile trade for that kind of harm. Show me the plaque at the Stonewall Inn that’s so valuable, just the plaque itself, that leaving it intact is a worthwhile trade for, e.g., making Jews walk past a statue of Hitler as they go into the courthouse.

        Do you really think Harvey Milk would care if his statue got torn down, if he traded his statues for the pulling-down of monuments to rape, terror, and genocide? Are *things* that much more important than people?

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          i hear you.

          But, be honest, you won’t be outraged at that great statue of MLK in D.C. being torn down by these fuckers? What if they just tore down Stonewall itself? THAT is something that can never be replaced. We get outraged, rightly slow, when they spray paint a synogague or throw a brick through a holocaust museum, and rightly slow. We have the high moral ground on this issue, until we start tearing their shit down.

          My problem is that if we make this shit fair game, it’s just going to be a constant wackamole of people tearing down each other’s monuments and landmarks.

          You and I SEE that these are monuments to racism, slavey, rape, and genocide.
          They see it differently (and wrongly) but to them “our” monuments are offensive for their own fucked up reasons.

          Tearing down a monument without public support and a legal/lawful order by the city council or whatever invites anarchy and the previously mentioned wackamole.

          You do it right, like they did in Baltimore, and it’s all nice and legal. It’s put to bed, it’s final, we move on.

          As Dok said, Wonkette is divided, among the writers and the commenters.

          • Claire

            Well, again: it’s a statue. It’s replaceable. People’s psyches aren’t. The Stonewall Inn is important, but it’s not as important as Oberefell vs. Hodges. And frankly, people have been vandalizing Jewish cemeteries and synagogues and burning Black churches since, well, the country was founded. They don’t do it because of us, they do it because they’re racist assholes, and not pulling their statues down hasn’t stopped them from doing it so far, has it? Do you think they care about high moral ground? “High moral ground”, when it comes to tearing down literal monuments to terrorism, is something that does absolutely nothing but make well-meaning white people feel good about themselves. It stops no one from committing racist acts. It changes no legislation. It sways no public opinion.

            I admire your optimism that removing the statues legally will put the issue to bed and we can move on, but I need to call your attention to the fact that we though the Civil War was “put to bed” 150 years ago, and we were clearly wrong. White supremacists have an entire culture based around the nurturance of grievances. Issues that have not been moved past include: the Civil War, the Civil Rights Act, Brown vs the Board of Education, Roe vs Wade, Obergefell vs Hodges, affirmative action, and many, many, many others. In fact, the passage of the Civil Rights Act stopped neither the Birmingham bombings in 1963, in which four little girls were killed, nor Dylan Roof.

            I get that this is scary stuff, and it’s tempting to think that we can control white supremacists’ behavior by playing by the rules and coloring within the lines and being good, like we were kids trying to ward off an abusive parent’s wrath by being perfect. It’s tempting to fall back on believing that virtue will be rewarded, and if you’re just nice enough to the bully, they’ll stop bullying you. But that has never in history been the way human beings work and it’s not going to start working that way now. We have to start taking care of our own, and we can start by worrying more about flesh and blood human beings than we do about lumps of bronze.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            i want to read and respond to all this, but i’m exhausted.
            Can I do it after i get some sleep and can think clearly?

          • Claire

            The beauty of the internet is that it allows asynchronous communication. Respond when you’re ready, we’ll all still be here.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            thx.

  • Serai 1
  • ltmcdies

    interesting story on Kos, I guess 91 Brits don’t appear to appreicate the “some good people” thing

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/17/1690802/-A-powerful-Facebook-reply-to-Trump-from-91-year-old-British-STAR-TREK-actor-David-Frankham

  • Red Bird

    OT? Good. I like dogs but my neighbor’s dogs (4 of them) are a******s. They bark at me every time I go to take the garbage out on garbage day. That doesn’t bother me that much. It’s more the fact that they have repeatedly dug under the fence and entered my yard. If they were a bunch of small fluffy dogs I wouldn’t mind that so much. But the ring leader is a German Shepard mix (female) and two of the other dogs are her puppies. So she’s aggressive. I’m afraid that one day she will just snap at me if she thinks I’m going to hurt her puppies. Also, the fourth dog is the father of the other two dogs. So it’s a family/pack. The male is more passive and approachable but still, they need to stay in their yard. I’ve spoken to their humans about this and there has been little to no effort to reinforce the fence to prevent this from happening. /rant over

    • SisterArtemis

      At this point it’s between you and the dogs. Time to make friends with Mama Dog.

      • Red Bird

        Maybe. I know her name so maybe I need to slip some treats over the fence. The puppies are cute.

    • OutOfOrbit

      hose’em down

      • Red Bird

        No. That’s mean.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      ugh, after 30 years we got new neighbors who have a huge dog and a little baying hound dog.

      If they’re in the front fenced yard and they hear or see ANYBODY within their range, they bark they’re fucking heads off. I have to wait to take the trash to the curb till they’re inside.

      And they bark and bark and bark and bark.

      Owners, don’t walk them and don’t correct them unless they’re out with the dogs.

      if the big one wasn’t so dumb, she could easily clear the fence and bit me – but she never has.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    This, from The National Review. Yes, the National fucking Review
    https://twitter.com/charlescwcooke/status/898292255672328192

    • akryan

      The NR has opposed Trump from the very beginning. As come to jesus lately conservatives they won’t ever recognize that they’ve spent their entire careers enabling a guy like him to come to power of course, and I’m sure that the majority of the people working there voted for him, but they have, in print at least, wrote against him all along.

      • OrdinaryJoe

        Yah. Now the fucking leopard is eating their faces and they are upset.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        And this is why they fail.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      This is such stupid bullshit anyway. Even if it happened that way, which it didn’t, it’s like Jihadis saying “If we kill a Catholic soldier without allowing him confession, they’ll never bother us again”.
      It’s wishful, ignorant made up superstitious bullshit. Like there’s a magic religious Kryptonite that can make the other side go away. Trump is an ignorant child talking to ignorant children.

    • Juan de Fuca

      I used to work for a dipshit NCO during the 2nd Iraq war. Dude was a total dick who nobody liked. Used to make some really weird comments at work such as, “We should do what they did to the Muslims in the first World War – soak bullets in pig swine!” Me and my buddies would look at each other and roll our eyes because we figured he was getting pork brine mixed up with an urban legend.

      This was back around 2005 or so and was the first time I’d heard about the General Pershing rumor.

      After he brought it up for the umpteenth time I finally said – “MSgt, (redacted), you do know that pig and swine are both the same thing right? That it’s ‘pig’s blood’ and that it never really happened?”

      That guy hated me but I only had to deal with him a for a couple of years.

    • Sean McLaren

      hard not to think between this and health care we may be seeing the collapse of the Republican coalition. The populists won’t put up with hypercapitalism any more, especially at the expense of their health care, and the upper crust types can’t stomach all the monstrosity they’ve enabled and pretended wasn’t really THAT bad walking openly in the light of day.

      Here’s hoping anyway

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    OT: on Ari Melber a totes jack-ass on literally arguing, “but but they had a permit.” Never mind they killed someone. Fuck this guy.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Maybe it was a 00 permit

    • Joe Beese
    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      so did the counter protestors apparently.

    • Sophia

      WTF is this “James Bond A License to Kill”. Fuck them and their permit! I remember a while ago some of those states trying to pass bills that if your rally got out of hand they would make the person who booked it responsible. Where are those asshats now that the protest was booked by the right winger.

  • Thiazin Red

    So what are people reading?

    I started Winter Tide the other day, which is part of the trend in Lovecraft reworking that has been a big thing the past couple years. The lead character is one of the only surviving residents of Innsmouth after the US government raided the town and forced them into internment camps in the desert.

    I’m liking the Lovecraft trend, where people use the mythos and the style, but address things like race that were problematic to say the least in the original stories. Balled of Black Tom and Lovecraft Country are also really good and worth checking out.

    • janecita

      Giant of the Senate.

      • DainBramage

        I read that, then my brother read my copy. Now my sister-in-law has it. Al is awesome.

        • Parakeetist

          Yes he is.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Just started Enemies: A History of the FBI by Tim Weiner. Pretty interesting so far, and it’s certainly timely.

    • Ezio

      I am reading Marvel Generations: Wolverine.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      I’m reading this non-existent comment.

      • Smibo

        What non-existent comment?

    • mackafritz

      Perdido Street Station by China Mieville

    • Suttree

      The Essential Ellison A 50 Year Retrospective. +1200 pages of Harlan Ellison background and short stories. Years ago I had the 35 year Retrospective but lost it in a move. I got this for Lizzie but she wasn’t that into it. So i just got it back a few weeks ago.

      • marxalot

        I have a soft spot for Harlan. Angry Candy is one of the few books that I always have with me, because when you need it, you need it right then and nothing else will do.

        • Suttree

          I have owned a few of his smaller collections of stories. I gave them away when I got the 35 year retrospective. I really thought that Lizzie was going to like it. It’s ok that she didn’t because now I have it! I just read “Grail” today. The one about being in Vietnam and his lover is hit by shrapnel and is dying. Sh e tells him how to attain true love. One of my favorites

      • Lizzietish81

        I have No Mouth and Must Scream is a good read, I will say that.

        • Sean McLaren

          one of the weirdest and most interesting video games ever made too

        • Suttree

          One of his best!

    • DainBramage

      Re-reading The Lord of the Rings for the umpteenth time.

      • Bec Jenn

        Harry Potter series for the umpteenth time.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Next on the list.

      • Parakeetist

        Yay!

    • CindyinEncinitas

      On Bullshit by Harry Frankfurt. One of my funniest and most beloved friends sent it to me.

    • Shucky Ducky

      Pym by Mat Johnson is so worth reading in so many ways and right up your alley. I cannot recommend enough. I also just finished The Changeling by Victor Lavalle which was very enjoyable and also speculative fiction that talks about race. And if you haven’t read Colson Whitehead’s The Intuitionist, you are in for such a treat. It’s a shame that Jordan Peele isn’t making that into a movie.

    • E K Wallace

      I’m re-reading It because the trailer made me want to, and Station Eleven, and I’m almost done with both. The Bone Clocks is next; I’ve been saving it.

    • marxalot

      Wrapping up Deconstructing Organized Crime and looking to start Stalin Ate My Homework, though I have an advance reader’s copy of the All Star Batman trade, sooo….

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Pure escapism. Re-reading A through X of the Kinsey Milhone series. Y coming out in a month, and I’m terrified that the author is going to kill her off in Z.

      • Sean McLaren

        zombies

    • Parakeetist

      Prime Suspect 1973. A prequel to the Prime Suspect series by Lynda La Plante. So good.

    • Redemption of Althalus. Not as good as Belgaraid of course, and a bit more on the women are soft and cuddly theme, plus some of the characters are just about the same….
      but is cute and I like it anyway.

    • Sean McLaren

      The Brothers Karamazov. I’d only read Dostoevsky in the Garnett translations and it really is amazing how much better the more recent ones are.

  • Ezio
    • BadKitty904

      Jeez.

    • jowgajen

      Perhaps time to shorten his name to Dick or Rich. Or go by whatever the J stands for.

      • Augustus

        Jay Spencer

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        to quote the character Michael Bolton from office space:

        “Why should I change my name? He’s the one who sucks”

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Froderick.

    • h4rr4r

      Dude, change byline to Dick Spencer. Even that is better.

    • Sophia

      Poor guy. What a time to have that name

    • hendenburg2

      On a similar note, I went to college with a guy named David Mueller. (Several decades younger than the now-infamous one)

  • OneWhiteWhisker

    So it took Trump around three hours after the Barcelona attack to condemn it as terrorism. This is making me want to throw things.

  • Joe Beese
    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      So now they’re trolling us, too.

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        DPRK News is a parody account, and a good one.

      • mancityRed6

        no idea about the syphilis, but he did admit that any military action would result in a lot of deaths in Seoul

    • The Person.

      The DPRK cooks meth too.

    • Shucky Ducky

      If only someone could sneak this onto Donnie’s twitter follows. Comedy gold! Or nuclear winter. It’s always a question with our Pres.

    • Not Flat – ROUND!

      This A-hole makes Kieth Richards look healthy.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    This is interesting, but not surprising. France 24 News gave the Barcelona terror attack 25 minutes of news coverage. RT gave it 20 minutes, and Deutsche Welle gave it 25 minutes. NBC, CBS and ABC gave it 3 minutes.

    • Jonny On Maui

      MTV attention spans…

      • akryan

        Does anyone watch MTV anymore? I can’t remember the last time they played music.

        • Jamoche

          MTV Musc News with Kurt Loder was awesome – they had 5 minutes, they weren’t wasting it on trivia or even pop culture. If they showed something, it was news you needed to care about.

    • Snopes Shop

      I bet FOX was 24 hours tho

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Right. :-( Fox News couldn’t find Barcelona on a map.

    • It was a car driving into a crowd. To denounce that, they have to denounce Charlottesville.

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos
    • Villago Delenda Est

      Outclass and outeverything but outhate and outslime.

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      By farting — it would still be more meaningful than anything POS 45 could muster

      • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

        I’ll just take your word on that, if that’s ok.

    • Red Bird

      Wow. It’s like a person can respond with compassion to BOTH domestic and foreign terrorism. #crazy

    • BadKitty904
    • Suttree

      I really hope that the news cycle picks this up and has a comparison with Turnip’s horseshit.

      • Snopes Shop

        They won’t.

    • jesterpunk
      • Ezio

        Kinda surprised Donny doesn’t hire an umbrella holder. He’s always tried to be flashy.

        • jesterpunk

          And let someone get under the umbrella with him?

    • Ezio

      A President who doesn’t use a tragedy to advance his agenda against a religious group? What new spore of madness is THIS!?

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      Trump: “Un abrazo”?? I knew he was Kenyan!

  • Joe Beese

    The Rude Pundit:

    In the New York Times, one of Donald Trump’s most loyal taint-lickers, Julius Krein, has scribbled a mea culpa titled “I Voted for Trump. And I Sorely Regret It.” …

    And as for the racism? That was just something to be elided over for Krein: “Many of his supporters, myself included, managed to convince ourselves that his more outrageous comments…were merely Bidenesque gaffes committed during the heat of a campaign.” For the record, Joe Biden never called for all Muslims to be banned from coming into the United States and probably wouldn’t consider that specific, scripted, racist campaign promise a “gaffe.” …

    Fuck you, you pretentious prick. Take a stack of papers with your regret written all over it, roll it up into a thick tube, and go fuck yourself with it. …

    Despite your pedigree, despite your pandering protestations, you were exactly the same as every fucking backwards ass country fuck who just wanted to stick it to the niggers and spics and that bitch, Hillary. If we’re fucked, you’re one of the main reasons we are fucked because you and your asshole faux-intellectual friends wanted to pretend you gave a shit about more than what every other racist, sexist xenophobe who knuckle-dragged themselves to the polls last November cared about.

    It gets a bit vulgar after that.

    http://rudepundit.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/fuck-you-guy-who-regrets-voting-for.html

    • Augustus

      Rude Pundit so good

    • Blackest Noobs

      yeah i wanna do things to these folks that wonkette won’t allow, well, want me to discuss here.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Seriously, the only apology I’d entertain from this asshole is a Captain Needa apology.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      I love me some Rude Pundit

    • This.
      It is more “omg, the tide is turning, better pretend I just didn’t know!”
      You knew, you pretentious fuck. You just thought you could get rich about it.

    • bupkus231

      Oh, wow. Thanks for posting. I lub me some Rude Pundit, so I’m heading over to read the whole thing now…..

  • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶
    • Red Bird

      Good.

      • 🐶 BRAINTHRUST 5000 🐶

        TARRED and FEATHERED, in 2017.

        • Snopes Shop

          I was wondering when it would make a comeback

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    Thunderstorm in Memphis? Must be a day ending in ‘Y’ this month.

    • mancityRed6

      the humidity in Knoxville in the spring would send storms through nearly every single afternoon. that would clear up a couple of hours later and leave it just as humid as it was before.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
  • BadKitty904
    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      I just remembered, they already took his name down from at least one building!

      IRON-E

      • BadKitty904

        I’d think their insurers would insist.

      • Jamoche

        3 in NY, at least one in Toronto.

        The news program that highlighted the resident’s complaint maybe should’ve paid more attention to the whole thing
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6tKNvFO8sg#t=29s

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          thanks…i was thinking of the one in toronto i think.

          And I think every journalist shoudl ask him how he feels about this once a month.

    • alpacapunchbowl

      I fantasize about them razing the piece of crap we’re stuck with, stinking up our perfectly good skyline.

      • I just want them to remove the name, and put up, ohhhh…Idk, Obama tower instead.
        For the lolz

        • alpacapunchbowl

          I think we are stuck with the vulgar, compensating piece of crap. I’d hate to sully Obama’s name by attaching it to anything Trump, but it would be delicious to see Hair Furor completely and totally lose his shit.

      • BadKitty904

        Cheap and vulgar – just like the owner.

  • schmannity

    I am waiting patiently for Trump to tweet that he is responsible, after claiming credit for a stock market rise during the last 6 months, for the 275 point drop today on speculation that Gary Cohn is taking his marbles and going back to Goldman.

    • La forza del resistino

      In light of Donald’s recently exposed sympathies, he would say ‘Cohn’, that’s a chewish name isn’t it.

      • Shucky Ducky

        Kashyyykic libelzzes!!11!1!

      • Joe Beese

        When my non-Jewish wife told her great-aunt about me, the old woman asked darkly, “Is that a Hebraic name?”

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      September promises to be a cluster, what with the debt ceiling, the possibility of a gubt shutdown, and no adults in sight.

    • bupkus231

      Wait’ll ’til drops below the level it was back at the inauguration ( 19,804.72 ). That could very easily be Monday.

  • Querolous
    • La forza del resistino

      How dafuq did his bone spurs fit into those boots?

    • Jonny On Maui

      Hand is too big…

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • Serai 1

    So Sam wasn’t on last night? Holy shit, what a week to be off!

  • Smibo

    Re: House divided,

    Love yer guts ‘Trix, but I have to line up with Doc on this, for the reasons he stated. Who knew that things like Nazis, racism, slavery and war could be so damn divisive?

    Kumbaya.

    • I keep waffling, waffling fence sitter that I am.
      On the one hand, Dok makes some sense and it is NEVER better to react with anything remotely violent.
      On the other hand, I wish I had been there.
      I know that it is better to go through legal means, that change is slow, that progress is inevitable but can be back slid if we give in to our frustrations and angers.
      But then, it felt so good seeing the fucking lewd thing crumple up into a tin ball.
      Destruction of property is the number one go to for “look how violent the left is!” so the less fodder we give them the better.
      However, sometimes it takes a single act of defiance, a single brave person to say no more, no more, in order to get things set in motion.

      So see? Waffling.

      • Jamoche

        That entire state lacks legal means, though.

        • Oh I know, but, they could have sought first to re-establish said rights.

      • marxalot

        Since it isn’t legal for municipalities to remove Racist Revisionism through the normal process– they have to get a dispensation from the lege, by state law– I’m pretty okay with direct action here.

        • Smibo

          That’s certainly a valid position; but see my screed above for why I have to go the other way.

      • puredog

        Mmmm — waffles.

      • Moar Wordz

        Huh. I said ” No more, no more !!! ” & NOTHING HAPPENED.
        I’ve been saying it so long and to so many law enforcement agencies, that I’ve actually gotten fed up w/ saying it, w/ aggressively defending myself. Talking abt it, asking people for help w/ it. Going to lawyers and Police abt it. Making ART abt. it. And the help doesn’t arrive or if it does, it’s done so under the radar that the PD/ IC3 unit won’t even TELL me abt. it. Just flew a few heavy as fuck helicopters over my roof to scan for the 📷.
        ” Nothing to C here ! Just go abt. your business as if nothing’s happening here !!!! ”
        Shit, I just watched the first episode of The Handmaid’s Tale , ” and was struck by some similarities to my life. There’s ” The Eyes , ” an army of watchers, her ( Offred’s ) extreme isolation and fear, etc.
        My ” No more, ” refers to horrible cyberstalking, and I apologize is so off topic, but it’s INSANE to be so victimized in a town that shrugs and says ” Business as Usual and Your business is OUR business, leer, leer, wink, wink. “

      • Smibo

        Alas that I have but one upvote to give for your waffling, for it succinctly encapsulates the nature of the dilemma, and my own internal struggle with it. Well stated!

        On balance though, I have to come down on the side of peaceful, orderly resistance over vigilante justice or mob rule. I feel exactly the same way on every point you made, save one; I would have probably felt uneasy, had I been there. On the one hand, I was glad to see that piece of revisionist shit topple; on the other, watching the raucous crowd applaud as it came down made me imagine other, similarly joyous crowds applauding more grisly deeds past and (hopefully not) future.

        Destruction is not the same thing as de-construction. The former requires virtually no thought, no deliberation, not even a rationale. It’s easy to fuck shit up, and that is the province of the small mind. Much nobler (and more difficult) is the task of building something, whether it be a new monument, or (for example) a coalition of groups working together to effect change in state law.

        The high road is always more difficult, and usually slower than the low, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take it.

    • Jennifer R

      Just feel like pointing out that the nazi right martyrs those that KILL a lot. Anders Breivik is more of a martyr alive in a nice prison than George Lincoln Rockwell, the father of the modern american nazi party, who was gunned down outside an laundromat, but failed to actually take a life.

    • bupkus231

      “Who knew…”

      Over the years, the imbeciles on the right have certainly demonstrated their capability to “divide the country”, if they were given enough rope – and. over the years, the GOP has been manufacturing that rope.

      I think we all “knew” more than we were willing to admit, lest the howler monkeys come down on us. Now, it’s too late.

      • Smibo

        Agreed. The GOP has been in the rope-making business since before the Reagan administration.

  • ooooo they just handed the defense one HELL of a reasonable doubt, eh? Wasn’t me, was one of these other hundred people.
    Me likes. Good trouble, Durham, good trouble

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      well, the whole captured on video and broadcast thing would be difficult to overcome.

      • Pft, who you gonna believe, me or your lyin eyes? And beside, that guy over there looks like me, it coulda been him on that tape.

        • Serai 1

          Something tells me the kids involved in this aren’t looking to get off.

      • h4rr4r

        That would only be for the actual vandalism, right? Who organized what seems harder to prove.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          i think the protestors were only arrested for vandalism, but i honestly don’t know.

          Conspiracy to commit vandalism would be a dumb charge, but I’ve been up for 24 hours.

          • you ARE speaking of the Carolinas.
            Sorry not sorry, but “dumb charge” is sort of their bread and butter. Ask anyone browner than snow.

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            fair enough, never been there.

  • Sophia

    I applaud this act of civil obedience. While I am somewhat divided on the act of them tearing the statue down for reasons I wouldn’t condemn them for what they did & I am in awe of these activists.

  • Jennifer R
    • Parakeetist

      WTF

    • Panika MCD

      ???

      he asked people not to make statues of him. can’t they just respect that?

      • Begin Anew Day

        HIS wishes mattered not a bit to the partisans who would enslave other people for their own gain.

        He made his bed with dogs. Crom, on his gloomy mountain, sent him fleas as a reward.

        • Panika MCD

          I thought that’s why we put Arlington National Cemetery in his back yard?

          • Begin Anew Day

            He got off light IMHO.

          • Panika MCD

            I think he would agree.

    • bupkus231

      Geraldo doesn’t have a clue about Rommel ( for instance, using Jewish slave labor in Northern Africa ) – and it’s pretty dmaned clear that the idjit retweeting this stuff doesn’t have any more of a clue.

      Rommel doesn’t desrve to be considered “glorious” or “untarnished”, even without considering that he was a fucking Nazi. The myth is only for the ignorant.

    • cheetojeebus

      uh..what? Rommel was a part of the Nazi machine which ground up human life at a horrific rate. There’s no glory there. Tragedy but no glory. Lee’s actions led to the horrific deaths of 10s of thousands in support of a monstrous practice. That they both fought on the wrong side of history, can’t disagree. Neither man was glorious. You fucking dumb ass idiot.

    • Skadi

      Rommel actually turned on his boss in the end. Lee evidently decided that would be impolite.

      • mancityRed6

        at the end he did, it’s all that stuff that happened before that.

    • Did Geraldo just compare Lee to an actual nazi general?

      • ZangoCrudmonger

        Yes. Then he broke out the whitewash.

    • Begin Anew Day

      That cinches it for Geraldo. People have speculated about his poor judgement (Al Capone’s “vault”???) and lack of intelligence (Manson Interview???) but this provides the evidence.

      Both Bobbie Lee and Rommel committed the unforgivable crime for any general. They led armies to DEFEAT. These generals DO NOT get the laurels. These losing generals DID NOT earn the honors that revisionist historians seek to give them.

      Bobbie Lee fought to EXTEND human slavery in North America. Crom saw fit to deny him a clean death on the field of battle. He died in his bed.

      Rommel fought to extend NAZISM to all of Europe, Africa and beyond. Hitler rewarded him with a pistol to shoot himself with.
      Again, he did not perish in combat but alone in a room following orders that led him to his death.

      We cannot let these sad men be “rehabilitated” in history. It is better that they serve as WARNINGS to military men everywhere that blind obedience to awful ideologies leads to DISHONOR.

      • Augustus

        well said

  • Marion in Savannah

    Oh, dear. Somebody is having a sad, and is sorry about voting for Trump.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/sunday/i-voted-for-trump-and-i-sorely-regret-it.html

    • Joe Beese
    • Joe Beese

      TRIGGER ALERT: Tryptophobia

    • mancityRed6

      “I saw the decline in this country — its weak economy and frayed social fabric — and I thought Mr. Trump’s willingness to move past partisan stalemates could begin a process of renewal.”
      yeah, no.
      my give a shit is just so insanely broken, I don’t want to read any more of this drivel.

      • Jesus fuck. WHAT WEAK ECONOMY????

        • Shucky Ducky

          You know, the economy that wasn’t diverting enough wealth into the pockets of the very rich.

        • Resistance Fighter Callyson

          Technically, there are weak pockets of the economy still. Just not ones that, you know, Donald’s bloviating tirades will do anything about FFS.

          • mancityRed6

            there are, and a lot of that is due to stagnation of wages in relation to the rate of inflation.

          • That is not a weak economy, however. Every sector minus manufacturing, was in robust recovery before November.
            And manufacturing ain’t gonna make a big come back any time soon so long as rich fucks keep getting to pay pennies for slave labor elsewhere.

          • mancityRed6

            my manufacturing job is doing fairly well. we do a lot of our machining work in house. both of my machines were about 100 hours behind as of Monday. and the current work load is getting closer to 80 hours. so, yay, overtime.

        • mancityRed6

          the stock market was a bubble under Obama, but it’s oh so great now that he’s prez.

        • mancityRed6

          oh, come on. the real unemployment rate was something like 111% and the stock market was just a bubble waiting to pop. we were all in bread lines and homeless, don’t you remember that?

      • Shucky Ducky

        “I saw the decline in this country–its weak economy and frayed social fabric–and I thought Mr. Trump’s willingness to grab a pussy could begin the process of renewal.” Yup. Okay.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      In my writing, I tried to steer this administration in the right direction. During the presidential primaries, the blog I helped organize, called the Journal of American Greatness, was one of the leading voices supporting certain themes of Trump’s campaign. (Michael Anton, now a National Security Council adviser, was our most prolific writer.) Then, after the election, I founded a quarterly journal, American Affairs, largely to question elements of what is often called the neoliberal policy consensus — totally open borders for capital and labor; transferring power from national governments to transnational technocracies; unfettered markets; and democracy promotion as the sole premise of foreign policy. In other words, the disappointing legacy we inherited from the Bushes and the Clintons that helped pave the way to Mr. Trump’s election.

      In this role, as one of the few people in the media who has been somewhat sympathetic to Mr. Trump, I am often asked to comment on his surprise victory, or more recently on his statements, policies and the gusher of news pouring out of this White House. For months, despite increasing chaos and incoherence, I have given Mr. Trump the benefit of the doubt: “No, I don’t really think he is a racist,” I have told skeptical audiences. “Yes, he says some stupid things, but none of it really matters; he’s not really that incompetent.” Or: “They’ve made some mistakes, but it’s still early.”

      It’s no longer early. Not only has the president failed to make the course corrections necessary to save his administration, but his increasingly appalling conduct will continue to repel anyone who might once have been inclined to work with him.

      So now that this guy has figured out that he can’t cash in by covering for Donald, he wants to bow out? Piss off, asshole…

    • mancityRed6

      oh, and this gem:
      “Yes, Mr. Trump’s policy positions were poorly defined, but these days, most candidates’ positions are.”
      see, both sides.
      yeah, whatevs
      https://www.politiplatform.com/clinton

      • jesterpunk

        You know who did have actually well defined policies with exactly how to pass and pay for them and not just soundbites?

        http://thewashingtonstandard.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Hillary-Clinton.jpg

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          But she was a terrible candidate!

          • jesterpunk

            She had emails and was a women.

        • bookish

          Yes.

        • mancityRed6

          click the link, that’s the woman whose policies are on it. all of them.

    • jesterpunk

      I am so glad the NYT is interviewing Trump supporters on their feelings since they got what they wanted. Its not like 3 million more people voted for Hillary or anything and have to put up with this bullshit and will have to fix this mess or anything.

      • mancityRed6

        “I supported the Republican in dozens of articles, radio and TV appearances, even as conservative friends and colleagues said I had to be kidding. As early as September 2015, I wrote that Mr. Trump was “the most serious candidate in the race.””
        he also had a blog and a “non profit journal”.

        • jesterpunk

          He got exactly what he wanted now he is regretting it and wants sympathy. Fuck ’em.

    • bookish

      Not as much as I regret your vote for Trump.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Turner’s mom, who cleans houses in town for a living, went to work a couple of days after that, and her employer, an older white woman, brought up the results of the recent election. The two had talked politics before—Turner’s mom is a Democrat, and her employer is a Republican. “Well, you might as well come and live with me now,” the employer said. “You gonna be mine eventually.”

      http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2017/08/and-now-rest-of-story.html

      • ……..economic anxiety my ass

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          Too bad EAMA isn’t a better acronym.

    • Persistent Demme

      Oh, cry me a river, asshole!

    • HazooToo

      Really, did anyone else see the part where he explained how all the imaginary good traits he saw were more important than the blatant racism, sexism and bigotry? Because I saw nothing like that, and I’d like to know how he thought anyone would accept his bullshit apology without that part.

    • Suttree

      So he criticized stuff?!

      It is now clear that we were deluding ourselves. Either Mr. Trump is
      genuinely sympathetic to the David Duke types, or he is so obtuse as to
      be utterly incapable of learning from his worst mistakes.

      If you still have fucking questions about this you need to stop right where the fuck you are! You are just as shitass fucking stupid as every other person who isn’t sure if he is at the very least a racist. STFU and turn your pen in at the desk. There is probably a janitorial job for you if you can handle that.

    • Atheist

      I thought Mr. Trump’s willingness to move past partisan stalemates could begin a process of renewal.

      Yeah bullshit. It was all about sticking it to the immigrants, the feminists, the Muslims, any group of people a threat to white male power.

      Everyone who voted for him knew he hated Mexicans, grabbed women by the pussy, and wanted to ban Muslims. Everyone knew he wanted to stop Hillary with a “second amendment solution.”

      Pretending to vote for him “because partisan stalemate” is bullshit. Who caused the stalemate? Republicans who did everything to discredit Obama and refused to work with Obama on anything. They couldn’t put aside their vitriol and hatred of the first black president to work toward the good of the nation.

      Then you went and voted Republican AGAIN.

      Once again, you voted for the people who CREATED the problems.

      NO PASSES

    • puredog

      An unknowable number that I would dearly love to know is how many people there are who didn’t vote for Trump, who now wish they had.

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        Oh, I think they knew to vote for him.

      • Think that would be very close to 0. If you did not vote for him, chances are, you ain’t changed your mind by now.
        Unless you mean the disaffected nazis who decided that both sides were bad?

    • mancityRed6

      it’s a train wreck, a 5 alarm fire in an orphange/nunnery, and a 100 car burning crash at this point:
      “He criticized corporations for offshoring jobs, attacked financial-industry executives for avoiding taxes and bemoaned America’s reliance on economic bubbles over the last few decades.”
      tRump makes his stuff overseas, a lot of his administration comes from Wall Street (also, how much did he pay in taxes? we don’t know), and, again, the stock market was a bubble now it’s his achievement.

      there are people out there who will hear about this and say it’s the liberal NYT, again. Fake news. but good lord, did this guy really deserve an article? ever?

    • Claire

      “I didn’t care what happened to those icky brown people when I thought Trump could give me a huge tax cut. But it turns out he can’t even do that, so fuck him.”

    • Serai 1

      I will never understand how anyone could be stupid enough to fall for Twitler’s horseshit. I don’t care what your attitude is, if you can’t tell a fucking hawk from a handsaw, that’s on YOU. Don’t come whining about how sorry you are that you were a fucking idiot, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    This reminds me of Too Wong Foo when the townspeople protect Vida Boheme, Miss Noxeema Jackson, and Chi-Chi Rodriguez from the homophobic police officer by claiming to be drag queens.

    • puredog

      Chi-Chi? Hero of my all-time favorite golf anecdote?

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        My Dad watched golf, and he was always my favorite with the golf club Zorro thing. But not that Chi-Chi Rodriguez. She’s a character in the movie To Wong Foo..With Love, Julie Newmar.

  • Begin Anew Day

    Needs more Tony Curtis!

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
    • Blackest Noobs

      Bobby is too fucking busy to be fucking golfing.

      • bookish

        Bob Mueller is the new boyfriend of my heart.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Mine too, even though I think he’s a Republican.

      • puredog

        It may just be that he is taking long hours looking at the tiny scraps of evidence he has been able to scrape up, and sighing, “Gee, I wish we actually had something here.” /s

        • Notreelyhelping

          More likely he’s sifting through the tons of evidence they have, and he’s thinking: looks like another working weekend.

    • Jamoche

      Like Maddow’s intro last night, basically: “If you’re the president’s lawyer, don’t you have important things to do like preparing a defense, instead of forwarding historical revisionism?”

      http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-choice-lawyers-suggests-he-doesnt-hire-the-best-people

    • SNORK

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    Somebody tarred and feathered a monument to Jefferson Davis in Arizona, and not with votes.

    And the alt-Reich are losing their minds over it.

    And I am thinking, “WTF? There’s a monument to Jefferson Davis in Arizona? Arizona wasn’t even a state until more than 50 years after the Civil War was over? What Nazi or KKK fuck did that?”.

    • It is the same with why the fuck does West Virginia have Confederate statues? The irony is not just in the statue, knowdamean.
      It is proof, unequivocal, that these things are not monuments at all, but threats.

      • CindyinEncinitas

        You mean like Mt. Rushmore?

        • Skadi

          The Lakota could probably make that argument.

        • Exactly like Mt. Rushmore

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      But it’s a dry fuck.

    • Atheist

      From what I’ve been reading, most of the statues weren’t even built until the Jim Crow era, sending a big “fuck you” to blacks, Jews, and anyone else the white supremacists thought wasn’t good enough to be in America.

      They aren’t about heritage. They are about hate.

      • Snopes Shop

        How did I not know that. It figures.

        • Jamoche

          “The statues were sanitizing history. Removing them is fumigating it.”

      • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

        SPLC says it was erected in 1943.

        Arizona has two more, the most recent being erected in 1961.

        Heritage my aching ass.

      • mancityRed6

        one of the gulf states had a governor, I think, or at least someone in an elected position during reconstruction who was a white guy married to a blah. literally. that whole giant step forward didn’t last too long.

        • Skadi

          I heard about that. He got elected, got married, ran for re-election…and got elected again. In Mississippi, I think.

          That wouldn’t happen now.

          • mancityRed6

            I read about it in a book about Sundown Towns. maybe it was called that.

      • ZangoCrudmonger

        I can’t imagine there were funds for fancy-pants arts during Reconstruction.

        But who am I to judge southern aesthetics? Pretty sure after everyone got their 40 acres and conjoined mule, the next thing was massive cast bronze pieces scattered about like stars in the sky.

        • HorseChestnut

          Apparently, you could make good money casting bronze traitor statues in the 20s.

    • Thorn Spike

      More importantly, where did they get the feathers? I hope there was no fowl play.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      I don’t in any way condone this sort of stuff. But that does not keep me from ROTFLMAO!

      https://twitter.com/SKrafftFox10/status/898262752875106304

    • mancityRed6

      the same state that took forever to make MLK’s birthday a holiday?

    • aureolaborealis

      FWIW, A timeline of Confederate monuments, with historical context:

      https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/whoseheritage-timeline150_years_of_iconography.jpg

      Plessy v. Ferguson sure put some wind in their sails.

  • Bill Patterson

    And now for something completely different:
    These guys are more authentic populists than Trump;
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a0d77e5a4434219008caeed480858233667f08d3869124b8ee48822b4639e11b.jpg

    • wha?

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        Juggalos

        • Bill Patterson

          No. Insane Clown Posse.
          Fondly remembered in Toledo.

          • I got that part XD I meant you said they had more integrity, and granted, but why fore?

    • WotsAllThisThen

      And I hear they’ve since learned how the fuck magnets work.

    • vivian

      How do they work?

      • puredog

        Ask Jesse. Science, bitch.

        • alpacapunchbowl

          I had my notifications for texts from my ex set to play Jesse shouting “Yeah, science!”

      • tehbaddr

        Romour has it they run on Shasta!

        • Augustus

          r u down with teh clown!!

          • Christopher Story

            I’m down with the clown and I’m down for life

        • Kooolest G

          actually it’s faygo. from wikipedia

          ” Insane Clown Posse from Detroit references Faygo in several of their songs.[6][7] Positive audience reaction to an early concert performance in which Violent J threw an open bottle at a row of hecklers resulted in the group continuing to spray their audiences with the drink.[7] They repeated this practice which developed into the Juggalo culture’s “Faygo Showers”.[8]”

  • Anna Rompage
    • DainBramage

      I see it has been update form Clown to Klan.

    • puredog

      I dunno, that may give Drumpf too much credit. I like the clown meme better. Assuming that we get rid of the motherfucker before he totally ruins this country (if that’s still doable), it will be a more accurate depiction of his place in history. An ignorant and horrifyingly funny blowhard who accomplished nothing with his tiny hands.

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance
  • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy
    • WotsAllThisThen

      Lucky for Trump he’s completely divested from his businesses, huh?

    • Ms.MLG on Maui

      They know a tumor when they see one.

      • CindyinEncinitas

        Brill.

        • Ms.MLG on Maui

          ;)

    • Joe Beese
    • Joe Beese

      Trump is going to have to slash his rates before the people who will still support him will be able to afford them.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Good! So, it looks like I will put the American Cancer Society back onto my donations list. But only after their Gala and I can verify that they indeed did what they are saying they will do.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Naturally, the “billionaire” Trump didn’t donate the venue. He probably writes them a check for $100…and then forgets to sign it.

      • HorseChestnut

        It’s a really big check, though. Physically.

    • CripesAmighty

      Well, looks like there’s an opening for WWE Wrestlemania, now (gotta take what you can get).

  • William
  • Reximus

    “A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union

    In the momentous step, which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the
    government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery – the greatest
    material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at
    the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but
    submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union,
    whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.”

    http://www.civil-war.net/pages/mississippi_declaration.asp

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Well, there’s that.

    • mancityRed6

      the south only became anything again once A/C became commonplace.

    • tehbaddr

      BTW an upfist for the Avatar.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      FAKE HISTORY!!!!!!!111122214513`1`1

    • Christopher Story

      Oh look, economic anxiety.

    • Canis Greyhame

      Erecting all those Confederate statues in the first place was the real attempt to rewrite history. We’re just correcting the record by refusing to venerate them as the heroes, obviously, because they fought to preserve slavery.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      Translation: Money.

      • Reximus

        or greed

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      As a white woman living in the secession swamps of SC, I can tell you, that Sun is no joke. The bugs aren’t, either.

    • Canis Greyhame

      The head of the history department at West Point has a few thoughts on the matter:
      https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/923232114386312/

  • mailman27

    The president of the United States is an ignoramus, a know-nothing nitwit with the intellectual grasp of a 5th grader and a non-existent intellectual reach. Our traditional allies are groaning and rolling their eyes, and the rest of the world is laughing at us. Mathematically, he can’t put 2 and 2 together. Linguistically, it’s all Dick and Jane. Our majority political party doesn’t have the balls to admit that any of this is true. We have to come out in 2018 with great fire and fury (LOL). Seriously, our next election cycle has to involve all of us (and there are many of us) voting and putting these motherfuckers out to pasture. Hopefully in a hellish moon-like hellscape where no grass will ever grow, but they have to go. VOTE IN 2018. VOTE IN 2018. VOTE IN 2018.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      “Mathematically, he can’t put 2 and 2 together.”

      You are being too kind. Donnie can’t even put 0 and 0 together.

      • HorseChestnut

        That’s what, that’s infinity, right? That’s an infinity, putting the zeros together. I went to Wharton, you know, they never talk about that. Jobs!

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          Yeah. Sure.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      VOTE DEMOCRATIC IN 2018.
      VOTE DEMOCRATIC IN 2018.
      VOTE DEMOCRATIC IN 2018.

      FIFY

  • tehbaddr

    Hmm, ya thing them good old boys might be getting the message? Nah!

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      no

      • tehbaddr

        They never will. I keep hoping for these throwbacks to die out. It’s been decades, and their presence is stronger than ever!

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          They breed so damn much.

          Among themselves, that is. You can just see their lack of genetic diversity.

  • William
    • Jamoche

      As a snarker, I love it. As a musician… now I know why my choir director gets so insistent that people not look down at their music so much.

      • William

        The couple that does this stuff are quite talented, but they produce so much that I believe production quality suffers.

  • Rick Hill

    There are a number of the right wing marches and a lot of protest marches. I think that what happens in Europe at G-7 meetings will find it’s way here, with anarchists masquerading as antifa as well as wingnuts who want to stir things up. A way to avoid the escalation of violence is needed.

    (I’m the idea guy. For planning you want that smart fellow…over there.)

    • Perkniticky

      A professional police force would help. Also a populace that wasn’t armed to the teeth… sorry, I think civilized protests are pretty much off the table.

    • Perkniticky

      Not that G20 protests don’t get a bit dicey – but I don’t believe anyone died at the last one.

      • janecita

        Your hat is fantastic!

        • Perkniticky

          Thanks! Got it in LA years ago at a fab vintage shop.

      • Rick Hill

        No but all that’s needed is a little violence. Look at the milage the republicans are getting out of the people who were arrested at the inauguration

        • Perkniticky

          It’s just so dumb. Why do conservatives think individuals aren’t going to get into the occasional scuffle? They’re the ones who are so scared of other people they have to go around fully armed at all times. When did the right wing get so pansy ass?!

        • Perkniticky

          Fortunately Europeans react quite differently to violence and terrorist attacks. They don’t have the American authoritarian instinct. Also they seem to remember their history better.

    • MizzMazz

      I remember reading some 4chan or 8chan stuff that was encouraging their base to imitate antifa/anarchists, and just regular lefty protestors to start trouble to make peaceful protestors look bad. I wish I bookmarked it, but I definitely remember reading it. Peaceful groups have had to deal with infiltration like this before, and the tell-tale sign is those plants are the ones who call for violence.

  • janecita

    Have you guys heard from Ana lately?

    • CindyinEncinitas

      Yesterday.

      • janecita

        Oh, I must have missed her. I’m glad that she is OK.

  • Joe Beese

    Thursday while talking to reporters in Chattanooga, TN, Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) said President Donald Trump had “not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence” to be successful.

  • WIDTAP

    Pretty good chat with Senator Corker, especially the bit at the end about what to do with the bust of Nathan Bedford Forest in the State capital.

    https://www.facebook.com/ChloeNooga/videos/1527134817346102/

  • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

    moar goddamit:
    The driver of a van that rammed into a packed street in Barcelona, is still on the run, Spanish police confirmed. There has been confusion on the driver’s whereabouts following two arrests.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      Trapero also confirmed that police suspect a deadly explosion late Wednesday at a house in Alcanar was linked to the van attack.

      Trapero said the explosion left at least one person dead, and police suspected those in the house were “preparing an explosive device.”

      “It seems there was an accumulation of gas that generated the explosion,” he said, without giving further details.

  • Joe Beese

    This isn’t the first time Ivanka Trump has struggled with effective messaging in the fallout from a controversial statement or decision from her father. Weeks after “Saturday Night Live” parodied her silence on issues with a fake commercial for a made-up perfume called, “Complicit,” she said in an interview she struggled to understand the word’s meaning.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/ivanka-trump-silent/index.html

    • Augustus

      the definition of the word is unambiguous:

      com·plic·it
      kəmˈplisit
      adjective
      involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.
      “all of these people are complicit in some criminal conspiracy”

      • Joe Beese

        Yes, but she’s stupid.

        • Augustus

          oh yeah

          • puredog

            Her purported “struggle” is only disingenuous. Nothing to see here.

        • Proof that in Trump land the ladies are window dressing ONLY

    • Jamoche

      “Kaufman has called for Trump to organize a meeting with the President and Jewish leaders to discuss what can be done to make sure people feel safe.”

      I can see no way in which this could possibly end badly.

      • DrBigHead

        I’ll pop the corn if you bring the beer.

    • Sophia

      Where the hell have her and Jared been since Sunday? They on vacation again like every other time trump steps in a big shit pile?

    • Wait. She struggled to understand the word…complicit?
      REALLY?
      It is like…1oth grade vocabulary.
      She’s almost 40 isn’t she?

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Soory, Dok, I’m team Editrix on this one. Although, I’d also like to see the statues preserved somewhere. Maybe at the Creation museum, or the Ark Encounter. Jesus and Robert E Lee could ride dinosaurs together, and shoot Libtards.

    My favorite sign I saw On a church recently: “Jesus died for your freedom.” Call me a kook, but I’m pretty sure Jesus wasn’t an American.

    • Panika MCD

      Jefferson Davis and Jesus, please. Lee didn’t want the statues.

      • Skadi

        Their idea of venerating him is to repeat his errors and learn nothing from them.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        I can understand that. It’s like the embarrassment you feel when your parents insist on glorifying your “Most Team Spirit Participation” trophy you earned for always striking out on your junior tee ball team.

        Yes, let’s commemorate that big epic fail!!!! By all means, put on an candle lit alter in the fancy living room and tell everybody all about it every Thanksgiving!! Sheeeesh….

        • Panika MCD

          except your parents didn’t put every hamster you killed on your windowsill and we did put Arlington National Cemetery in Lee’s back yard.

    • TootsStansbury

      Entomb them like so many terra cotta warriors.

      • OutOfOrbit

        Deep-Six’em sez i

    • Angela Ruzzo

      Sorry, Christian Church, Jesus died for our salvation, not our freedom. Two different things entirely. Salvation is only pertinent after death, freedom is pertinent before death.

      • He also said a few times about being obedient to your master, husband, parents, law of the land, etc.
        Jesus really wasn’t about freedom at all.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Very true. There is a very good series of 3 books, now out of print, about what the concept of freedom meant to different people in different times and places, written by Herbert J. Muller. The best is Volume 1 “Freedom In The Ancient World.” Freedom in Jesus’ time didn’t mean anything remotely like what it means now. Good book, I recommend it.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I could tell whoever wrote it had their wingnut talking points confused.

    • janecita
    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Can they be arranged in interesting positions?

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Absolutely.

    • Sophia

      He was born in Bethlehem. That’s in Pennsylvania isn’t it?

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        Yes.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      Kook.

    • janecita
      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I stand corrected.

  • Joe Beese

    I had no idea Kara Young dated Donald Trump. That is a god damned shame.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/us/politics/trump-blacks-african-americans-girlfriend-charlottesville.html

  • Doug Langley

    Saaay, you know who else made people confess to crimes they never committed?

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      The Spanish Inquisition?

      • Skadi

        I didn’t expect that.

        • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

          Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      the Spanish Inquistadors?

    • Anna Rompage

      The cops who interrogated the Central Park 5?

    • WIDTAP

      Tywin Lannister?

      • puredog

        You’re thinking of Joffrey.

        • WIDTAP

          Or was it Littlefinger?

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      Alfred Bester?

      • Skadi

        *ominous smile* Be seeing you…

        • Jamoche

          <- avatar

      • puredog

        Fester Bestertester?

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      The assholes at AbuGhraib?

      (IDK if that was one result of their torture, actually–legit question there.)

    • Raan

      Whoever brought in the A-Team?

    • Christopher Story

      Salem?

  • Reximus
  • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

    Those confederate statues are not about heritage and history. The Fucknazis just use them to mark their territory like dogs pissing on fire hydrants. It’s the same sort of phenomenon as evilangelical christains putting their fucking crosses and ten commandments in public spaces.

    They are just marking their territory. That’s why they act so territorial about it.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Hmm… it might be a useful defense to point out that hundreds of others confessed to the crime.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      does it matter that the “crime” was caught on video?

      • Video is not conclusive proof in lots of cases. Granted, most of them involve cops shooting people….

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          i was about to respond, then detected the snark.
          ; )

      • Suttree

        That doesn’t look like the defendant to me.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          jury nullification could be a thing here! It is Durham after all.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Not if the other people who confessed say that they were involved in the planning of the crime or aided the people who were caught.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          planning and abetting only gets more people roped in and that’s assuming the prosecutor wants to pursue those charges.

          Also, people falsely confess to crimes frequently (usually people seeking attention and/or mentally ill. Remember the guy who wanted to confess to killing Jon Benet?)

          The police will just discount everybody – which is what they did today.

          • Biel_ze_Bubba

            What the police think about the other participants won’t be relevant at her trial. You just need to show a jury that she’s one of 300 Spartans, but the only one being put on trial (for some reason that you let the jury figure out from looking at her.)

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            as opposed to showing the jury she’s the one on the tape?

            I’m delirious, but that doesn’t seem to make any sense.

            Just cause people show up and confesss doesn’t mean dick? I mean, IIRC you’re a lawyer, but how is this ANY different than a bank robbery or beer run?

            I just honestly don’t see how 300 friends claiming they did it (including friends of the different genders, heights, weights, skin colors, hair colors, etc) has any damn thing to do with it.

            Why wouldn’t every organized crime ring or gang just flood the courthouse?

          • Biel_ze_Bubba

            Willingness to plead guilty to a bank robbery might be a tad less common.

            You have to think of it from the jury’s point of view: 300 other people say they were involved; the prosecution can’t prove they’re her ‘friends’; there’s photos/video of a large crowd taking part … so why are they prosecuting this one person?

          • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

            ah okay – i see what I did.

            I was under the assumption the video was clear and close enough to show a handful of people’s faces, body types, hair types, skin color, etc – not to beat the analogy to death, but like convenience store video.

    • Suttree

      Also too, make them give you a jury trial. I am sure that her peers would be fair. Shit, I have heard the right squawk about jury nullification enough.

      • puredog

        Jury nullification is a great, great thing. The Bundys notwithstanding.

        • Suttree

          I don’t agree with it in serious cases. Like threatening law enforcement with weapons. But this seems like a good case for it. She’ll need a decent lawyer to bring some good stuff though. This is a fine case to make a mockery of.

          • puredog

            To be more precise, its availability — as a legal, theoretical matter — is a great thing. In practice it’s a mixed bag. Cf. Zenger, Peter with Simpson, O.J.

          • Suttree

            Yes you are correct. Thanks dad! (My father is a lawyer and would definitely put up the exact same argument)

          • puredog

            We do stick together. At least, if we’re libtards.

  • mancityRed6

    at this point, I want Schumer and Pelosi to publicly say their goal is to make tRump a one term president, just so the RWNJ’s heads explode and McConnell’s quote can be brought up again and again.

    • puredog

      I don’t think either of them wants him to last the full four years.

      • They could use the quote exactly, and just alter it a bit.
        It is our intention to make this president a no term president.
        Ta da!

      • DrBigHead

        A 25%-term president?

      • mancityRed6

        I thought about that, but it could come back to bite them in the ass.
        better to just read the quote as is.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        At this point, they might prefer an incompetent and impotent buffoon like Drumpf to the alternative, which is Pence.
        Pence would have equally horrible policies, but he wouldn’t be nearly as stupid and self-defeating.

        • commatoes

          I wonder if Pence may get wrapped up in the Russia probe. He did ignore multiple warnings in the press and intelligence briefings about Flynn. He even claimed after Flynn’s firing, that it was all recent news to him. Maddow did a segment of the timeline. That leaves Ryan (bleech) and Tillerson(?). While the framers of the constitution foresaw and incompetent POTUS, I think the idea of a incompetent administration and party was unimaginable. This is the f**cking party of LINCOLN!!!

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
    • jowgajen

      Well, when your core ideology is “other people matter too!”, it just doesn’t lead to murder so much.

      • commatoes

        When someone starts shouting, “All Lives Matter”. I feel like yelling back, “Prove it. Stop shooting unarmed/fleeing black men.”

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i’d be interested in a cite on that 2% – that dummy who shot scalise is one.
      Who are the others?

      • Resistance Fighter Callyson

        They might be counting that guy who killed the Dallas cops last year. Beyond that, IDK.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          oh yeah…excellent point.

        • Suttree

          Jackasses love to say that he was part of BLM also too. I’m still trying to drink away the comments at Blighfart from a few days ago.

      • They’re probably going back pretty far to the eco terrorism

        • Suttree

          Gaaaaah! The Weather Underground also too.

        • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

          says 2007.

        • commatoes

          That might be including ALF/militant animal rights groups. Though I haven’t been keeping track of them lately.

    • BadKitty904

      Never has been, never will be. “Both sides” is a deliberate, premeditated lie and must be treated as such.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4341539b198f9cdc827715fbab183416fdb58baadc6e5b51cb10fa86fdef6993.jpg

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      Not counting 9-11, methinks.

      • jowgajen

        It says 2007 to 2016

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          Aha – right you are. Also excludes the Oklahoma City bombing. This is all “minor” incidents, which I think more fairly reflects the relative threat level. (One huge event doesn’t double your personal odds.)

      • HazooToo

        Well, that’s probably folded into the Islamic

        Extremism slice.

    • La forza del resistino

      Love Holly’s profile – I have 5 kids, so you can’t scare me

  • Bill Patterson
  • Me not sure

    Sorry Trix. I’m with Dok on this one. I’m more in support of these statues and monuments being removed as an act of law. During the Viet Nam War we used to gather to protest the war at Atlanta’s Peace Monument in Piedmont Park. Earlier this week an antifa group defaced it in the belief that it was a Confederate monument. The monument shows an unidentified soldier on a battleground being visited by an angel of peace bearing a laurel wreath.
    It is inscribed “Cease Fire / Peace is Proclaimed”. It was intended to promote peace, brotherhood and unity. The one thing that these neo-confederates KKKers could have done to bring about the end of these things more quickly was to ally their cause with Nazis. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5aac6cc64e8f7aa2a048e6619ef665455523e8292dd08d62c9a7f2f4179dcdd9.jpg

    • They sure it was anti fascists?

      • Me not sure

        That was what was reported in the AJC. They were observed by the press covering their announced demonstration.

        • Just seems odd to me that some local libtards would not know what that particular monument was.
          Even I know what it is and I have been to Atlanta a total of one times.

          • Me not sure

            I don’t hold much with false flag conspiracies. I think it is what it is.

          • Biel_ze_Bubba

            Not locals, I’m quite sure of that.
            The Antifa crowd does not attract the brightest bulbs.

  • btwbfdimho
    • commatoes

      I imagined all that pink as bottles of Pepto™ that the White House staff will be consuming.

      • BadKitty904

        They’ve got to be on bourbon and Valium by now.

        • commatoes

          Sessions keeps telling them that pot is the dangerous gateway drug. So they just jumped to the prescription stuff. Good job on ya JB.

          • BadKitty904

            Just wait ’til Republicans start buying stock in pot agri-corps.

          • commatoes

            They already are.

          • BadKitty904

            Now, watch those laws change…

    • Suttree

      Can’t they just put down, “You didn’t burn the place to the ground yet.”

      • Paperless Tiger

        Not literally, anyhoo.

    • BadKitty904

      He didn’t actually bite anyone.

      • Sean McLaren

        this week anyway

  • CindyinEncinitas

    Idk how welcome this is but I would like to drop a list of songs I played the other night as a way to express my dismay and defuse my rage. It worked, so I thought I’d share it. I didn’t do Youtube linkies because there’s too many.

    Ring Them Bells – Sarah Jarosz
    For What It’s Worth – Buffalo Springfield
    Fight the Power – Public Enemy
    Holiday – Green Day
    Stand – Sly and the Family Stone
    Clampdown – The Clash
    Get Up, Stand Up – Bob Marley
    War – Edwin Starr
    Police and Thieves – Junior Murvin
    What’s Going On – Marvin Gaye
    Peace Train – Cat Stevens
    Bull in the Pen – Black Uhuru
    Small Axe – Bob Marley
    Teach Your Children – Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young
    Making Flippy Floppy – Talking Heads
    Guiltiness – Bob Marley
    Hurricane – Bob Dylan
    Ohio – Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young
    People are People – Depeche Mode
    Unaware – Allen Stone
    Imagine – John Lennon
    Redemption Song – Bob Marley
    Unwritten – Natasha Bedingfield
    Solidarity – Black Uhuru
    Where Is the Love – Black Eyed Peas
    A Change is Gonna Come – Sam Cooke
    Lifeboat Party – Kid Creole and the Coconuts

    • Dancing with you, girl.

      • CindyinEncinitas

        Love you. Let’s dance.

    • Candy Matson Y-28209

      That’s a helluva playlist!

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      This Land Is Your Land – Pete Seeger (the YouTube where he and Bruce Springsteen perform it at Obama’s inauguration is great)

      The Revolution Will Not Be Televised – Gil Scott Heron

      Respect – Aretha Franklin

      Mississippi Goddam – Nina Simone

      American Idiot – Green Day

      …fuck, Wonkette should do a YouTube channel!

      • CindyinEncinitas

        You are right!

      • Candy Matson Y-28209

        Welp, I’m sobbing from the Seeger/Springsteen vid. Happy tears for the unabashed joy and hope displayed on stage and in the crowd, but grief and rage at those whose response to that optimism was/is evil. Thanks for the tip, it’s a great song, happy to have it stuck in my head for awhile.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
    • And then met with an alt righter AND a sitting congress critter and keeps saying over and over how it really is so very unbiased, REALLY.
      When is the left going to denounce this fraud and admit it has been had? That it NEVER would have released the stuff it did if Obama had not been president?

      • Resistance Fighter Callyson

        I love their excuse:

        “Is there an election angle? We’re not doing anything until after the election unless its [sic] fast or election related,” WikiLeaks wrote. “We don’t have the resources.”

        Um, Julian? You just admitted you are in it for the money, asshole.

        • WotsAllThisThen

          He just admitted he’s not in it to inform the public. He’s after election results.

      • commatoes

        The Ecuadorians should kick his ass to the curb.

      • Candy Matson Y-28209

        I just watched the Seeger/Springsteen This Land is Your Land, and thus read your comment to the tune of that. :) Well, the first couple lines anyway.

  • Picabo

    Born on this date in 1943, Robert De Niro.
    “De Niro was cast as the young Vito Corleone in the 1974 film The Godfather Part II, for which he won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. His longtime collaboration with director Martin Scorsese earned him the Academy Award for Best Actor for his portrayal of Jake LaMotta in the 1980 film Raging Bull. He received the AFI Life Achievement Award in 2003, the Golden Globe Cecil B. DeMille Award in 2010, and the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President Barack Obama in 2016.” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c96ef5e9e86c13ebca1d94daa69d58b4330466eb165044843cbd38cc170693b7.jpg

    • bookish

      I like people with worn faces.

      • beingreleased

        I assume then that Keith Richards is your god.

        • puredog

          He’s mine, but not because of his face.

    • mancityRed6

      it was a choice between Pacino and De Niro for the role of Micheal. since Pacino got picked, De Niro got the role of Vito in the second.

    • Ezio

      Ey! Yooze talkin’ ta me?

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      amazing actor – too bad he’s gone anti-vaxxer.

    • Jamoche
  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Pizza chain fires VT worker who joined Charlottesville rally

    Uno Pizzeria has terminated the employment of one of the neo-Nazi participants in the Charlottesville, Virginia, rally He joins another white nationalist in the unemployment line, who prior to picking up his Tiki Torch had been employed at a hot-dog joint in Berkeley.

    • Wolf Tracker

      One worked in a hot dog stand and now a pizza delivery guy. Are we seeing a trend?

      • Anna Rompage

        Poor fuckers who never figured out how to pick themselves up by the boot straps?

        • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

          White people aren’t supposed to have to bootstrap.

      • Maybe they ARE economically anxious?
        Weird though that it is all other people’s faults they are not doing better. Maybe they should spend less time shitposting and more time bootstrapping?

        • h4rr4r

          It is always someone else’s fault with these kinds of losers.

        • commatoes

          The only thing keeping him out of a job at NASA was affirmative action keeping him down.

      • mancityRed6

        in this day and age, I don’t want to disparage those who are doing what they can with the resources available to them.
        I would literally be in the same job market if I’d never left my home town.
        but being a racist bastard loser does not mean anything about their employment capabilities, just their employment status.

        • Not the job. Just how those others are takers and they deserve more because white damn it.
          THAT is the bit that makes the kind of job just sort of…ironic really.

          • mancityRed6

            yeah, and yet they’re the same ones who slack off and don’t put any effort into getting ahead.

        • Wolf Tracker

          I would certainly not disparage anyone working those jobs or any job. Just found it interesting that Nazi’s that pretend they are superior to everyone are working in those jobs.

          • mancityRed6

            the funny thing is that the non racist skinheads generally use the term “working class” but have the skills to earn more. like a friend currently in Ohio, loads OTR trailers for a cosmetics firm. he definitely makes at least $20 an hour.

        • Jamoche

          It’s not the job, it’s their resentment that they have to take those kind of jobs when they’re absolutely convinced their skin color entitles them to better ones. Which is why they’ll vote against minimum wage increases even though it’ll help them too.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I wish I had more upvotes for this.

      • puredog

        With those resumes, both those guys could plausibly have a future in porn.

        • They could talk to Bannon’s ex?

        • commatoes

          They might actually lose their virginity?

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Eeewwwwwww…..

        • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

          Needs more penis!

          • puredog

            Bratbest!

      • Sean McLaren

        Classic serial killer type, people with massively inflated senses of themselves, their greatness, intelligence, importance, etc, who feel like society has failed to recognize that.

        • Wolf Tracker

          Exactly! Blame the world for their miserable life choices.

    • commatoes

      Maybe one of his Nazi Bro’s will offer him a job. Because personal responsibility… free market… freedom of speech… martyr to the great white cause… or some bullshit like that.

    • CripesAmighty

      Where will this perfidy end?! Before long, the dishrooms and pizza pick-up counters will be deserted! What’s next? Cable TV sales boiler rooms? The collapse of western civilization is nigh!

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        The taco trucks will pick up the slack.

    • Kooolest G

      I’m more interested in finding out who hires these guys next? I would imagine everyone in South Burlington VT knows about this story now

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        He’ll get work with some like-minded alt-white goon. There’s bound to be somebody in town who thinks he’s a hero/martyr.

    • Permit-holder Ron

      A White country until 1965? You might want to read a book some time, paleface.
      – a LOT of very annoyed Native Americans

    • I never get that. Do they NOT know that they might have to encounter (gasp!) “a Negro” at their jobs? We don’t only eat and drink at the MFer Ice Tea Cafe you know.

  • hudson srinivasan

    there is a name for this its called jail bharo – literally fill up the jails and overwhelm the system.

    i can be gung-ho about all this as the next guy. but the sad reality we are resisting people in our own midst. first point of concern has to be to ward of present eminent evil, but second one has to be how the fuck did we end up in this state of affairs?

    • We were never not in this state of affairs.
      We were the polite family with the strained smiles just “keeping the peace” for decades now. Don’t make waves. Don’t make a stink.
      But the divisions were there.

      • hudson srinivasan

        but there has a been an understanding of what stinks and must be overcome.

  • WomanInThePersistence

    Just because… puppies! Stephen Colbert! Ellie Kemper! Did I mention puppies?!?

    https://youtu.be/dI5D3aTgjZk

    • DainBramage

      “Chloe bites Nazis.”

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Yep. And I’m hopefully not violating the rules by wanting her.

  • Suse

    Another “just kidding, it’s a joke” thing.

    Arizona woman shocked when dog with swastika painted on its head arrives at her door

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/arizona-woman-shocked-when-dog-with-swastika-painted-on-its-head-arrives-at-her-door/

    • Just a joke.
      sure.

    • Ezio

      Proper jokes make the bigots the butt of the joke (I.e. the Nazis in The Producers, the white people in Blazing Saddles). Not going around harassing and scaring the marginalized. Screw whoever pulled that “prank” and probably abused that dog.

    • Jamoche

      Next one down: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/middle-schooler-caught-painting-swastika-on-black-pastors-car-says-it-wasnt-supposed-to-be-racist/
      Middle schooler caught painting swastika on black pastor’s car says ‘it wasn’t supposed to be racist’

      I blame the parents.

      • Suse

        Saw that, too. Can’t even…

      • Ezio

        Sure, I’m sure it was totally meant to represent the symbol of the Eastern religions the Nazis hijacked it from. *rolls eyes*

        • Black. Pastor.
          Middle schooler singling out a black pastor.
          Amazing that the old tricks are still in employ

      • I too, blame the parents.

      • Richard Girlswin

        Same. A few second earlier and my reply above would have been to you.

      • jesterpunk

        “My son is not a racist,” the man, who asked to not be identified, told Fox 13. “Sometimes he makes bad decisions and this was the worst decision he has made in his life so far.”

        You know what would show he wasn’t racist? Not painting racist slurs and a fucking Nazi symbol on a black pastors car. You failed as a parent.

        • wow. Your middle schooler makes bad decisions like this?
          Wonder where your MIDDLE SCHOOLER learned it, pops?

          • jesterpunk

            Our President?

          • puredog

            Well, “The President,” but, yeah.

          • jesterpunk

            “The Orange Fucking Nazi in the White House” would also work too right?

          • WomanInThePersistence

            From other middle schoolers, probably. Honestly this is a child who did an absolutely awful thing. I in no way defend the action. It’s simply inexcusable. But this is a child. Who obviously needs some help.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      I was hoping that you meant that the story was just a “joke”. Has anybody contacted the local Humane Society?

      • Jamoche

        The woman contacted animal control and the local police who returned the dog to its owners, who said they’d painted on the symbol as a joke.

        While the owners were young people, authorities said, the dog did not appear to be abused.

        • Suse

          I’d say painting your dog is abusive.

        • hey, authorities? They painted a swastika on a dog’s head and then let it roam around.
          The abuse was pretty blatant.

        • puredog

          I read that as “the dog did not appear to be amused,” and thought, well, duh.

      • Suse

        The dog was returned to the owner. Poor pup.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          By Animal Control. I was more thinking local SPCA groups.

      • Suse

        I wished so, too. :-(

    • Richard Girlswin

      How did a generation fail to learn that this symbol is essentially a death threat to many people?

      • No, they know it.
        The “Just a joke” thing is their go to when caught.

        • Jamoche

          The fallback of bullies of all sorts since forever.

      • Ezio

        Because their parents taught them it was okay. Racism and bigotry thrives because it starts in the home.

        • Not ALL racism and bigotry, though most of it.
          My youngest brother is a trumpeter with confed flags and fuck the browns and all.
          Meanwhile, another brother is married to a black lady and we ourselves are not as pure as the driven snow.
          He learned that elsewhere.

      • Suse

        Do they even teach WWII history in school now? I have no idea.

        • Jamoche

          It’s really hard to avoid it if you have cable.

          • Suse

            Only if it’s not tuned to Fox or CBN 24 hours a day.

      • Marceline

        The destruction of public education.

        • Richard Girlswin

          This. So many of the West’s ills today come down to the idea that exeptionalism will make up for hollowing out the education system. We used to be smart because we had good schools and cheap enhanced education. Now we have penny-pinching assembly lines with all of the good content packaged away in exorbitantly priced premium options.

          Isn’t governance by private industry great for society? Forget taxes and healthcare, this is where conservative policies most truly fucked our nations, to the point where most of our populace can’t even tell how badly they ruin everything else.

      • Claire

        I hate to admit this now, but I legitimately did not know what the swastika stood for until I was in high school. We just never saw it, or never saw it in context, and public school history classes were full of bromides and fairy tales and didn’t cover much of anything meaningful. I remember one of our assignments in middle school social studies was to produce a diary that we would keep if we were stranded on a desert island. No, I don’t remember why.

        • Richard Girlswin

          There’s a long standing resistance to confronting the fascist right. I guess it’s equal parts folks on the left figuring it would die off in it’s own and people on the right pushing ancient versions of ‘both sides’. We’d be better off if we dragged it into the light and were frank about it, even with kids, like in Germany.

          All the monuments coming down lately make me think we’ve finally lanced that boil, and once this hideous mess is cleaned up we can work on some real healing in the aftermath.

          I mean, statues are coming down and they’re still failing to pass (WEAK SAD) bathroom bills. Hey Nixonians and Trumpkins, the silent majority finally are speaking, and they’re not on your side.

  • Raan

    I’m siding with Dok on this issue. I feel like the effort would be better spent making sure that local politicians know that if these statues stay on public land, it’ll be their jobs.

    That said, I’m not going lose any sleep over some statue mob justice.

    • Kooolest G

      me too, if we start cheering mobs taking down statues, this one will be gone in no time https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/59d51797bf6e19ad71b2badffd3f42de7ccd98d1ef853fd110493aac132f6ccb.jpg

      and if they tear down the bronze font, it’ll start a civil war https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d0aea8eb40b12be96310ecbc556b8c085aaa4a3cf6129431d97335fb339ce087.jpg

      • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

        thank you!
        That top one has been on my mind and used in discussion here.

      • Red Bird

        Sometimes fear of retribution is weapon in itself.

    • h4rr4r

      Local politicians in NC can’t do anything about these statues. The law requires approval from a state group that is unlikely to grant it.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Turn those statues into memes and show how ridiculous it is to make heroes of Generals and leaders of a failed ideology.

    • pussygrabber in chief

      I have a hard time imagining that any local politicians, in those areas infested with confederate monuments, are going to be voted out of office for not advocating the removal of said monuments. Besides, for the most part, whether these monuments stay or go isn’t up to local politicians.

    • ContextIsKey

      In NC, there is no local control of Confederate monuments. The GOP controlled state government passed a law in 2015 making it illegal to remove confederate monuments on state property. It was the state’s response to neo Confederate Dylann Roof killing a bunch of black people in a church.

      • It was more their response to the calls to remove the statues, which was the response of Dylann’s despicable acts.
        The official response to the killings themselves by the state was crickets.

    • georgiaburning

      I’m against mob violence on the principle that someday that mob might be after me. But I’d happily join a mob help pulling down one of these things and stand in the line at the police station to turn myself in for vandalism and destruction of public property. That is my own hypocrisy.

  • Jennifer R
    • tehbaddr

      I want to take it home and let it shred the hell out of my place! It’s soo cute!

      • Suse

        I’m reading a book (fiction) about a single woman and her oddly symbiotic relationship with the fox who visits her garden.

        • janecita

          My friend’s German shepherd plays with a fox. No lie, the fox knocks on the sliding door for the dog to come out.

          • Red Bird

            Don’t tell the alt-right folks about the interspecies friendship!

      • Jennifer R

        hourlyFox has to be the best follow I do on twitter. Every hour something cute, like an amuse-bouche, between the sex and socialism that is the rest of my feed.

      • Skadi

        Well, they’ve succeeded in domesticating foxes in Russia, if you have enough rubles.

        • tehbaddr

          I’d give them all my rubles, but I have none!

          http://imgur.com/gL92AnW

          • Jennifer R

            Many states allow ownership of silver foxes actually. A few allow you to own red or grey foxes as well.

    • BadKitty904

      Someone’s ready to play one helluva game of tag…

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Or Fox and Geese.

  • Msgr_MΩment
    • Ezio

      Damn those alt-lefters! Why can’t they just let me drown in medical bills in peace!?

    • BadKitty904

      Dog parks and farmer’s markets! WHERE WILL IT ALL END!!1!

      • bookish

        Public libraries. Drinkable water.

      • CripesAmighty

        Bike paths! Agenda 21!!11!!

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Adequate funding for public schools!

        • BadKitty904

          Universal healthcare!!!

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Breathable air!!! Edible food!!! For EVERYBODY!!!!!

    • AJ Milne

      (Cackles/spindles fingers diabolically.)

    • CeeQ

      What’s next??!! Helping refugees!??!! Affordable public education???!!!!
      Efficient public transport system??!!
      Who would be ok with this!!??

      • Resistance Ftr PuckStopsHere

        What a Hellscape it is that you envision.

  • pussygrabber in chief

    I’m with Trix. Bad people feel justified doing Bad Things regardless.

    • Wolf Tracker

      Self full filling prophecy.

      • Claire

        Realism supported by basically the entire history of the human race.

      • pussygrabber in chief

        Experience.

  • Jenny

    I would like for them to come down, where it is possible. Some of them are really good works of art, like that park in Atlanta and the Duke U marble statues. Hell even that Nate Bedford one we like to make fun of is actually life like. He really did look bug fucking crazy.

    Places that made it almost impossible? Fuck em.

  • Reximus
    • Raan

      I heard about this on the radio today. Apparently Dungee alone gave five grand.

    • Royal Ugly Dude

      This could be the promotion the Rays need to get fans into Tropicana Park: Free admission if you bring confederate memorabilia! Then, they can burn it after game one of a double header.

    • Sean McLaren

      they should go Ozymandius with it and just leave a cracked, wrecked “in aeterna” behind.

      • commatoes

        Monument to the CSA.

        “My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
        Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
        Nothing beside remains: round the decay
        Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
        The lone and level sands stretch far away.

  • Richard Girlswin

    Am I the only one who experiences visceral displeasure at the number 45 now? Trump ruins everything.

    • janecita

      He ruined oranges for me.

      • puredog

        He almost ruined pussy-grabbing for me, and I can tell you, that was a loss.

        • janecita

          A loss for you or for the never grabbed pussies?

      • Suse

        And mangoes, yams, papaya, kumquats, pumpkins…

      • Suttree

        I have been eating peaches lately.

        • janecita

          Don’t mention peaches to me! Our peach trees had so much fruit, I can’t even look at peaches anymore.

          • Suttree

            Poor darling! I have soooo m any feels for you. I hope that you like your neighbors and they got some. :)

          • janecita

            They got peaches, and jam, and fruit cups….

          • Suttree

            You are such a nice neighbor!

      • Richard Girlswin

        It’s my favourite colour. So far it’s held fast.

        Get it? Colour puns!

      • Begin Anew Day

        Do not let donnie come between you and good food.

        That’s just letting him win.

    • Covfefe

      The answer is 42. Who was 42?

  • Covfefe

    Suppose they all show up at trial, all duded up to look like the ones who did get arrested, create an identification issue, and the lot of them confess on the stand?

    • Raan

      “An’ I’ll put it writin’ if ye want.”

    • puredog

      WTF knows what the law in Durham is, but in some jurisdictions, unless there is SOME independent evidence tying a defendant to a crime, that defendant’s “confession” is inadmissible. It’s called the corpus delicti rule.

      • Suttree

        The only footage I saw did not show her face. Of course I am sure that much more footage is out there. Who will be witness to say that this was this person?

      • Covfefe

        The corpus of this delicti is laying on the pavement.

  • Cock Blockula
    • h4rr4r

      Sand blasting.

    • Suttree

      Let it stay as it is. When people go there they will be standing on sacred KKK land. Let them have their church. They will need somewhere to go after all of their statues are torn from the ground. Well that and Branson.

      • kareemachan

        Sadly, Branson is having staffing problems cuz they don’t have the labor force they did before drumpster….

        Bummer, dudes.

    • Jenny

      As much as it sucks it is art. Maybe add some union soldiers and a nyan cat or two and it would be vastly improved!

    • Cock Blockula
    • jowgajen

      Saw a neat suggestion that they have an artist install a living plant wall that would grow over the frieze over a period of time and erode it from the face of the mountain.

    • Christopher Story

      Get ten thousand liberals naked and covered in paint, then slide down the face of it.

      • Begin Anew Day

        A waste of good paint.

    • DainBramage

      Artillery?

    • Walter Wellstone

      Is that supposed to be Donald’s hair? As art that fucking sucks.

    • TJ Barke

      Artillery practice?

      • The electric lines and cell tower above it makes me chuckle, however

    • What I never got about this one was…why so small?
      That rock is gigantic! The size of the carving is almost….an inferiority complex maybe? Makes the piece look like old school graffiti more than any monument.

      Also, it is not centered, not on the mountain, and not in the cartouche.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        A friend who grew up in Georgia says the trails up to the carving are full of old-and new- KKK graffiti scratched in the rock. But I’m sure a lot of them were fine people.

    • Kiri the Unicorn
      • Permit-holder Ron

        I watched them do that while widening Highway 11 into North Bay. There’s be this ‘crump’ noise, a bit of dust and smoke, and a piece of pink granite the size of a house would suddenly be standing about a foot away from its original location. Then they’d blast again to split the rocks up.

    • Begin Anew Day

      All of that effort and time wasted by the clowns who carved it.

      Leave it as a demonstration of folly and let us move on to living our lives as decent, good and honorable people.

    • kareemachan

      Bring down the libruls’ secret alien overlords and have their neutrino plasma lasers etch an emoji there instead.

    • Cock Blockula

      Maybe a bas relief of General Sherman instead?

  • Banquo’s Ghost

    On the plus side, Trump decided to skip straight to High Crimes, tweeting out to the world a call for war crimes.

  • bookish

    Tracking which charities have scheduled, and/or cancelled, events at Mar-a-Lago.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Fahrenthold?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.progressiveresistanceleague.com%2F

    David Fahrenthold
    @Fahrenthold
    Washington Post reporter, covering President Trump’s businesses and conflicts of interest. CNN contributor. Keep reading.

    • BadKitty904

      Good. If you want to hurt a Republican, always aim at his wallet.

    • h4rr4r

      Everyone needs to contact these charities and inform them that where they spend your donations matters to you.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    OK, this is step one. Step two would be for you to show some stability by more forcefully denouncing him:

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/898267582343467008

    • BadKitty904

      OK, Senator, do something about it. That’s what we’re paying you for.

    • jesterpunk

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_BU5hR9gXE

      Do something about it then jackass.

    • Jamoche

      Can’t demonstrate something he doesn’t have, dumbass.

    • bbayliss

      Sent him an email today, the gist:
      “You were willing to support him when you thought he’d be your useful idiot, just like Putin, only one of you was putting country before party.”

  • Ezio

    Conservatives: Why is the left so obsessed with the KKK and Nazis supporting Trump!? You can’t help or control who endorses you. Let it go.

    Conservatives for the last 8 years: WHY WON’T OBAMA DISAVOW JEREMIAH WRIGHT!?

  • Joe Beese

    Gary Cohn, director of the National Economic Council and a former Democrat, told colleagues he was furious at having to stand by like a prop while Trump defended neo-Nazi protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia. But the former Goldman Sachs CEO has not yet vented that frustration publicly, and friends and colleagues said they assume he is staying on in order to be nominated chairman of the Federal Reserve.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/17/trump-aides-no-resignations-charlottesville-241759

    • Christopher Story

      What’s one human life when weighed against all that power and authority?

      • mmmmm money. Wait, he said what? Mother fucker. But mmmmm money.
        Grifting mother fuckers, for real. Are they not rich enough????

        • Christopher Story

          I figure it’s like any other drug addiction. At some point, you stop getting that high you want, and then you really are empty and miserable, pursuing the one thing that you thought ever brought you pleasure. You can’t admit you have a problem, and you don’t mind what you have to do to get your next fix. Or who gets hurt because of it.

    • FukuiSanYesOta

      Complicit.

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      Self-centered, greedy asshole.

    • Raan

      Quisling.

    • Roni Raven, Undercovfefe Agent

      Whore.

    • bupkus231

      Yeah, fuck Gary Cohn. Resign, shitbird, or all your words are for naught….

  • SomeBigRedDog

    I read somewhere that NC passed a law after the Charleston shooting that Confederate monuments couldn’t be taken down without an act from the state legislature. In that case it sounds like these people had no choice but to take the matter into their own hands.

    That being said, the state better address this quickly because that statue coming down looked super unsafe and someone is going to get hurt or killed if that DIY demolition continues, which it will.

  • Wolf Tracker

    Good going guys…

    Now a bunch of pigeons lost their favorite place to poop.

    • Jamoche
    • BadKitty904

      I’ll have to say that, based solely on personal experience, the usual reaction of visitors and locals to our towns’ MANY public monuments is “What the hell is THAT?” and nothing more…

      • Wolf Tracker

        Yes and I think we could be more creative in turning those statues into memes and using them to explain that history than any affect we have tearing them down.

  • Royal Ugly Dude
    • Persistent Demme

      Bravo!

    • BadKitty904

      The Stoned Guest or “Sessions’ Nightmare“…

    • Begin Anew Day

      Nicely Done!

  • Picabo

    Today in history, “Kind of Blue” by Miles Davis was released in 1959.
    “Kind of Blue has been regarded by many critics as jazz’s greatest record, Davis’s masterpiece, and one of the best albums of all time. Its influence on music, including jazz, rock, and classical genres, has led writers to also deem it one of the most influential albums ever recorded. The album was one of fifty recordings chosen in 2002 by the Library of Congress to be added to the National Recording Registry, and in 2003 it was ranked number 12 on Rolling Stone magazine’s list of the 500 greatest albums of all time.” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/55a5078cd449ccfd196a682c88add87deb762187e2f81688bc46b34620fb5f42.jpg

    • La forza del resistino

      Kind of Blue is my go to for rage control.

      • Royal Ugly Dude

        Me too, but I need to get all the way through side 2 before I’m anything close to mellow.

        • La forza del resistino

          it’s kinda unfair that a man who dealt with so many troubles in his own life had a gift to remove troubles in the minds of strangers.
          That is art. Please Betsy DeVos, don’t defund music programs.

    • mancityRed6

      Blue In Green is still something that makes me tear up when I hear it.
      shit, I’m just hearing it in my head and getting misty.

    • Begin Anew Day

      It’s funny. Every time I see a used copy of this on CD or vinyl I buy it. Second hand store, record shop, garage sale; it doesn’t matter where I see it, I just buy it. I must have 10 CD’s and five vinyl copies in various states of wear.

      My Big Question: How is it that anyone EVER parts with their copy of this. I’m asking that all of my copies get cremated with me.

      • mancityRed6

        I have one copy, with something like a “real gold” finish that I bought when CDs still came in big long cardboard boxes.

      • puredog

        Well that’s kind of selfish, it seems to me. Just because the former owners were ignorant doesn’t mean you have to be. I apologize if this sounds harsh, but I don’t see the reasoning.

        • Begin Anew Day

          They are MY ashes and I have the say on what tunes I carry into the great beyond.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I wore out a couple of vinyl copies over the years. Just on CD now.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Heading off to do a brief yoga tape so I don’t lose my shit entirely. Out for now on this optimistic note:

    https://twitter.com/SafetyPinDaily/status/898328611798700034

    • BadKitty904

      Republicans don’t want to lose their cushy Congressional seats or be tarred-n-feathered at home. You betcha they’re jumping ship…

      • idk. The tax breaks and inevitable even cushier jobs as lobyists might win out yet.

        • jesterpunk

          How many can Fox hire?

        • shivaskeeper

          Pence would sign the tax cuts, or Ryan, or whoever ends up in the spot after he goes. What none of them have is the cult of personality and the following Two Scoops does. He’s a great distraction and provides good cover for them, but at some point he is going to be the albatross around their collective necks. I think that time is approaching faster than it was a week ago.

          • I know Pence or Ryan or any of them want, but it is that cover they need.
            If they do their tax cuts for the rich, Americans are going to suffer. Mostly their base (the not rich as fuck ones). When they are personally impacted, and they will be, they will be howling for blood. Offering them that maverick Trump on a platter has been the plan all along. Their mistake was in thinking they could control him, so they cozied and played, and now are caught. Denounce him, and lose. Support him, and lose.
            I for one am most certainly not gloating.

          • shivaskeeper

            I see where you’re coming from. I don;t think they’ll get their cuts before they lose him as cover though. He’s becoming too unstable and too much of a liability.

            There is going to be no chance to work on anything until the debt ceiling is raised or they shut the government down, again. That will go to the 11th hour or past it. So the rest of Aug and Sep are a wash for tax cuts. They can try between Oct and Dec, but they really can;t get their shit together to appease both the “moderates” and the crazies. They just will not see eye to eye or compromise with anyone, even their own side.

            That leave the rest of ’18. Whether they are willing to go through with fucking over their base in an election year, I just don’t know.

            No gloating from me either. Who could have known governing was hard?

          • BadKitty904
    • The Wanderer

      That’s the Senate, which would try him. The key is the House, which by the Constitution must first impeach him.

      • Claire

        And the House is far more accountable to batshit crazy voters than the Senate is.

      • bupkus231

        “The key is the House, which by the Constitution must first impeach him.”

        You got that right – and you notice that no one is publishing shit that claims that the House is anywhere near impeaching him….

        With assholes like Louie Gohmert, Steve King, Blake Farenthold ( oh jeezus, the list is too long to continue without commiting suicide )…

        It’s NEVER gonna happen. Best to just hope that Rump suffers a stroke than to think the House will do anything….

        • CindyinEncinitas

          Well, there are reports out there that he’s way into the Bolivian Tap Dancing Powder, so…

      • Wolf Tracker

        True- but if Ryan and McConnell and the head of the RNC marched into Trump’s office and demand his resignation or they will move for impeachment it could work.

        They did that with Nixon.

        • shivaskeeper

          Ryan won’t. The Tea Party crazies have him locked down. He’d have better luck trying to herd cats than to get the GOPers in the House to go along with anything he wants,

          He’s going to have to wait until Two Scoops steps down on his own or Mueller’s investigation points to crimes so egregious they cannot be ignored. In the latter, I have no doubt Ryan and the House will try to ignore them, so it’ll be up to us to hold their feet to the fire and force him to act.

          • Wolf Tracker

            I don’t know about that. Ryan is in line after Pence to be president and if that impeachment involves both or Pence is willing to make Ryan his VP he may do it.

            Ryan never supported Trump and you can tell he despises him.

          • shivaskeeper

            He does despise him, but if DTJ and Pence are forced out and Ryan has to take over, his political career is over. He will not win reelection as the Trumpkins hate him as part of the swamp and again, no personality to hold the howling mob together. I think he still really, really wants to suck at the government teat for a long while. He might run sometime in the future, but that will have to be on his own, not like this.

          • pussygrabber in chief

            Ryan has certainly done a good job of imitating someone who supports Trump.

        • The Wanderer

          (nods) But Nixon wasn’t fucking demented.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      And Trump can’t do maths.

      • puredog

        Is there actually ANYONE in Trump’s camp who can count votes?

        • AJ Milne

          The general math-impaired thing may also explain his businesses, well enough.

          (Well, that and the shameless griftiness.)

    • Wolf Tracker

      GOP is waiting for the Mueller report and if there is a serious crime involved I think they will move for impeachment or force him to resign like they did with Nixon.

      They just need a solid excuse/reason so they can say they had no choice.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      GOP is in a bind. On one hand, Trump brought in a lot of knew and inconsistent voters, but on the other hand, Trump.

    • pussygrabber in chief

      It’ll never happen. With repubs, it’s always party first.

      ETA: Although the tweet clearly says, “Senate votes”, I had “House votes” in my head. The senate is irrelevant at this point. (And the House isn’t going to do shit.)

    • bbayliss

      What about the House? Nothing happens until the House moves.

  • KevinShinn

    Best thing was, that POS “statue” crumpled like toilet paper when it came down. Quite illustrative, I say.

  • Claire
    • Panika MCD

      wonder what she’ll say when she finds out what law school is like.

      • janecita

        “I wanna go back to preschool!”

      • CindyinEncinitas

        She might just take over…

      • Christopher Story

        A lot less pooping a lot more vomiting.

        • Panika MCD

          I’d guess there would be more pooping because the students are bigger…just not as much pooping in the classroom.

    • bbayliss

      We have to wait 38 years for her to be president?
      That’s just not right.

      • Claire

        I know, right? I would support her for Congress in 2018. I think nothing but good could come of telling the crusty old bastards in the Senate that it’s time to take a goddamn nap.

  • mancityRed6