Is it possible that President Trump talked all that smack about North Korea to distract from the shitshow on the opioid crisis? Or was he just tripping his orange balls off? Because that thing was FUBAR!

It started out normal for Trumpland, just the old goat wowing us with his MAJOR vocabulary and RT’ing his pals at the Dick Pic network.

Melania’s assistant even tweeted a stock photo of some scary pills to show FLOTUS’s deep concern for the youth/people.

But then the White House social media director took half a Valium, just to take the edge off.

And things went downhill fast. Specifically, Donald Trump started talking.

Today I’m pleased to receive a briefing from our team on ways we can help our communities combat this absolutely terrible epidemic and keep youth from going down this deadly path. The best way to prevent drug addiction and overdose is to prevent people from abusing drugs in the first place. If they don’t start, they won’t have a problem. If they do start, it’s awfully tough to get off. So if we can keep them from going on and maybe by talking to youth and telling them: No good, really bad for you in every way. But if they don’t start, it will never be a problem.

OHHHHH. We’ll just tell the kids that drugs are no good, really bad for you. Why didn’t anyone think of that before?

But soon there will be a wall with Mexico to keep out all the heroin. And Donald Trump will lock up all the evil pushers in New Hampshire who get rich selling drugs “for less money than candy because there is so much of it.” It will be just like the ’80s when Republicans solved the crack epidemic with mandatory minimums!

At the end of 2016, there were 23 percent fewer federal prosecutions than in 2011, so they looked at this scourge and they let it go by. We’re not letting it go by! […] The average sentence for a convicted federal drug offender decreased 20 percent from 2009 to 2016.

Fun Fact: In 2010, Congress passed the Fair Sentencing Act reducing the disparity in penalties for powder and crack cocaine. Which Obama signed because he wanted to get drug dealers back on the street to sell heroin obviously, it is just kind of his “thing”!

So, we’re going to do our job, we’re going to get it going. We’re going to have a tremendous team of experts and people that want to beat this horrible situation that has happened in our country — and we will. We will win. We have no alternative. We have to win for our youth. We have to win for our young people — and, frankly, we have to win for a lot of other people, not necessarily young that are totally addicted and have serious, serious problems.

Ummmm…okay, Poppy.

Then Trump got his “major briefing” off-camera. All the heavy-hitters were there: Melania, Jared, Kellyanne, John Kelly, HHS Secretary Tom Price. They even let the acting head of the Office of National Drug Control Policy sit in, which was a nice gesture, considering the Trump administration plans to cut ONDCP’s budget by 96%. This was definitely NOT a charade to make it look like the President is doing something besides golfing and tweeting at the television for two weeks while he’s holed up at his trash palace in New Jersey.

LOLOLOL!!! It totally was.

Which would all be HAR-HAR HILARIOUS if drugs weren’t killing at least 59,000 Americans per year. The President’s own Commission on Combating Drug Addiction and the Opioid Crisis just issued an interim report with several specific recommendations, including:

  • Allow Medicaid funds to pay for residential rehab in larger facilities with more than 16 beds;
  • Force insurers to pay for mental health treatment as required by “law,” aka Obamacare;
  • Buy more Naloxone;
  • Buy more Methadone;
  • Buy more Suboxone;
  • Buy Fentanyl detectors for law enforcement agencies.

But all of that COSTS MONEY. And, Hellloooo!!! The Trump administration is gearing up to give all the money away to rich people this fall. So instead the nation got a healing press conference with Tom Price and Kellyanne Conway.

Kellyanne said something or other about drugs being everywhere and terrible. Honestly, all we ever hear is her Jersey accent.

(PSSSST! Kellyanne! Girl, I’m from the Mid-Atlantic, too. You really don’t have to go through life sounding like a teenager sellin’ carmul coorn day-uwn by da shore. Not even Chris Christie talks like that!)

And Tom Price told some lies about Trump being “absolutely, fully engaged on a tragedy that is crossing the country,” even though he’s not going to declare a state of emergency like his own Committee told him to.

Then Price lied some more and said, “Nobody is interested in cutting Medicaid.”

But no one noticed, since his boss had just threatened to start a nuclear war with North Korea. Assuming that we don’t all go up in a giant mushroom cloud, though, we can look forward to exactly one response to the drug epidemic from the Trump administration.


Other than that, he ain’t gonna do shit!

[Trump transcript via Daniel Dale Twitter / Opioid Task Force Interim Report / WaPo / ABC / CNN]

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  • Bill D. Burger
    • Steeltown Gal

      Part of this opioid debacle can be laid at the feet of the Joint Commission (hospital accreditation agency). Several years ago they declared pain to be the “fifth vital sign” and everyone had to pay particular attention to the patient’s pain level and treat it accordingly. Indeed, several physicians were actually prosecuted for under prescribing pain meds for chronic pain patients. The drug companies developed stronger, longer lasting pain meds (like OxyContin) in order to cash in on the JC recommendations. Then, OMG!!!!!!!, people are getting addicted and the JC dropped the “fifth vital sign” BS–too late. States (like NY especially) started cracking down on opioid prescribing. Enter cheap, readily available heroin and here we are. I worked in western NY state a while back and heroin is flooding in from Canada (not Mexico), usually coming in around Detroit. I had a few patients (Ob-Gyn doc by trade), that just had to make a trip to the Detroit area while they were pregnant so that they could get the heroin to sell in our small town. One even had a tragic sill birth at 19 weeks, signed out of the Michigan hospital against medical advice and presented herself on my doorstep to take care of the problem. We had a steady stream of babies born who had to be shipped off to a tertiary care facility for detox and withdrawal from their mom’s heroin addiction. Sad!

  • TundraGrifter

    Did anyone else notice Mr. Trump’s body language when he was ranting about North Korea?

    He was all scrunched together with his tiny hands under his armpits like his suit coat was a straight jacket.

    What’s up with that?

    And – one more time – what was the First Lady doing sitting next to him? The head of Tiffany security in NYC isn’t going to bang himself.

    • Creepoman

      He’s really perfecting the Mussolini-lower-jaw-thrust as well. Countless hours in front of a mirror, no doubt.

    • davej1s

      I understand that Mr. Bannon is able to do that very thing.

    • commatoes

      Flop sweat?

  • MrTusks

    When I had my wisdom teeth out, I got a whole bottle of Vicodin that I only needed for two days. Those things were good.

    Huh. They were damn good. After the last 24 hours a vike would be nice, actually. Where the hell did I put those?

    • dlemex

      Mmm… quaaludes back in the day. They would be great right now.

    • TJ Barke

      They gave you vicodin? They told me to take tylenol…

    • therblig

      they gave me some the last time i broke my collarbone. it put me in mind of the morphine/demerol i had after my car accident in 85 – a nice warm glow leading into a deep, dreamless sleep. wanted more when they were gone, but glad to be rid of them.

      • MrTusks

        They made me feel light and fluffy, especially since I had undiagnosed and untreated depression at the time. I’m ashamed to admit there were a couple of days after I recovered when I indulged in half a vike just to get myself out the door in the morning. So it’s good that they’re gone.

    • I had some tylenol/opioid combo after my appendectomy. I was glad I didn’t like the high, because one of the side effects was a desire to take more of the stuff.

    • commatoes

      I was on a Percocet then a formulation of Oxycodone for a while. I found that if I took enough to be in a manageable amount of pain, I did not get any of the narcotic effects. I have some friends that are recovering addicts and the stuff scared me shitless.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Roni Raven, Undercovfefe Agent

    I blame the Boomers with all their sex, drugs, and rock ‘n roll.

    Too soon?

    • MrTusks


    • davej1s

      I also blame the Boomers and I am one!

    • Claire

      There’s an interesting article in the Atlantic that basically blames all this on the 60s, LSD, and New Agey claptrap. I don’t entirely buy their argument, but I admit it’s a perspective I hadn’t thought of before.

      • onedollarjuana

        I blame this all on the 19th century with all of its opium, cocaine, and alcohol elixirs. Oh, and laudanum and paregoric.

      • Three Finger Salute

        You know what’s really weird? Steve Jobs’ widow just bought the Atlantic. I guess she’s willfully blind to her deceased husband’s consciousness raising activities that played a part in him starting Apple?

  • Monsieur_Grumpe

    A drug addiction could only make tRump less worse.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • MynameisBlarney

      I’m stealing the fuck outta this.

    • TundraGrifter

      “You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting.

      “Come back when you are worthy.”

    • theblackdog

      I pretty much said this, but not so nice. I guess people don’t want to hear that they might be racist, sexist, xenophobic, and/or homophobic.

      • Three Finger Salute

        No, they don’t care, but they just don’t want it to have any consequences. Being nice to people you don’t like is “PC.”

      • Invidosa

        I got into this huge argument with an aunt of mine when I said that trump supporters are racists and sexists. She said “you KNOW I’m not a racist!!” I said “I didn’t think so, but at the very least you are willing to put your personal preference ahead of the needs if women and people of color. You’re willing to stand by and support a bigot, even if it is for ‘other reasons’. When you decide that your white, cis, straight needs are automatically more important than anyone else’s basic rights, your a fucking bigot”

    • lovelydestruction

      Only half of his voters will earn my forgiveness. The non-deplorables, who were essentially conned, are not in the same hell-bound hand-basket as the irredeemable 25% who are indeed racists, bigots, xenophobes, homophobes, misogynists and assholes. They can fuck all the way off.

      • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

        nah…itsa gonna be all of ’em with me—because that not-25%?…they may not be racist bigot xenophobe homophobe misogynist assholes…but they sure were OK with everyone else (and the big orange in particular) who is

        • lovelydestruction

          This seems to be true. So, add those who deliberately wore blinders or reveled silently in vicarious glee. Seems the only forgivable ones will be those who were truly incapable of understanding. They probably live in group homes or state facilities or are just hopelessly naive and gullible by nature.

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  • Jenny

    Pfft opioids were how he got elected. They’re not going anywhere.

  • Me not sure

    Stoopid hemorrhods.Can’t even spell opioids write.

  • GreenGoldSharpie

    So, is rural, white America winning yet?

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I’m sure all those pill mills out there are just quivering in their boots that Donnie Two Scoops went out and said “Drugs are bad, m’kay?”

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        Magic 8 ball says they’ll succeed in making opioids tougher to obtain for the people who actually need them, while inadvertently encouraging street drug dealers to expand their operations.

        • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

          Oh quit using realistic human behavioral and socioeconomic-logical reasoning!

          Just use magic words like:
          “Radical Islamic Terrorism”
          “Just say no”
          “Global warming is a liberal hoax”

    • TJ Barke

      No. Not really. We’re the unnecessariat. Some of us are dumb enough to believe in Trump.

    • commatoes

      As with many things, you can blame it on Florida.

      From Politifact,

      Florida’s lax laws gave the Sunshine State a reputation for easy access
      to the drug, so much so that billboards advertised to “narco tourists”
      — buyers from out of state who would come to Florida to buy the drug.
      With more than 1,000 pain clinics in operation across the state, Florida
      became known as the “Oxy Express.”

  • SayItWithWookies

    Assmouth probably wasn’t high af, alas – like a lot of non-indulging idiots (including a former agency head I worked for) you can throw all manner of facts and stats at him, and somehow his conclusion is exactly the same as some DARE lecture he got in junior high.

  • Michael R

    Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s home targeted in predawn FBI raid

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    At the end of 2016, there were 23 percent fewer federal prosecutions than in 2011, so they looked at this scourge and they let it go by.

    Or there were fewer arrests at the federal level, and thus fewer prosecutions. Just spitballin’ here, chief.

  • TJ Barke

    Anything get nuked at 3 am?

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Only the very pleasant dream I was having.

    • *checks back yard*

      Shrubbery seems okay…

    • Belasaurius

      I dropped a couple bombs in the toilet

      • yyyaz

        Thank you for not using the urinal. Or the sink.
        — The Staff

    • commatoes

      A stoner’s frozen burrito?

  • cmd resistor

    I don’t know if he was high but he did seem in an altered state, even for him.

    • commatoes

      Persistent sniffles during the debates?

      Maybe he had a little “bump” to come across as high energy.

      • cmd resistor

        Actually I was thinking kind of low energy.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    I am disappointed. Was waiting for the ghost of Nancy Reagan to show up and dispense some wisdom.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Too busy giving Mr. T a lapdance.

    • commatoes

      I think her psychic might still be around.

      • Querolous

        Quigley is now down under.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Crystalclear12

    Mueller work faster!

  • Paul Manafort could use to get a good buzz on right about now:

    FBI conducted a pre-dawn raid at Manafort’s home in July.

    Knock, knock.

    Who’s there?


    • TexasDumb

      “Knock knock”

      Who’s there?

      “We’ll ask the fucking questions around here.”

      • Three Finger Salute


  • Mpeg

    “O ipod, My iPod!!”

    • Ghenghis McCann

      “Apple to discontinue iPod nano and shuffle” That’s the iPod Crisis. I’m surprised Trump cares so much about it.

      • Three Finger Salute

        I care. I fucking hate iPhones.

  • This is your brain on Trump…

  • Bill D. Burger

    Let me tie the two issues (NK and Russiagate) together.

    Mueller’s report finally arrives on Trump’s doorstep:

  • WeaselPoo

    Trump is just shamelessly pandering to the not necessarily young voting bloc.

  • memzilla Ω

    The real problem is the DOPIOID in the Oval Office.

  • Oblios_Cap
  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    I can feel my brain cells dying in agony just trying to read his “sentences.”

    • yyyaz

      Seriously, the synapses are dying just to avoid creating new neural pathways that are 180 degrees out of phase with the ones it has taken decades to build.

    • commatoes

      So you have been sentenced to his sentences.

  • Joe Beese
    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Glad to see Kelly has imposed rigor and discipline on Trump.

      • commatoes

        Don’t forget the RT of leaked classified intel . Maybe if his intel briefs were allowed to be longer that one page and not have to include maps and charts.

  • GreenGoldSharpie

    I know this will sound crass, but for all the bluster on the right about a Korean War fallout, did they consider the economic fallout of a nuclear exchange? Particularly if South Korea or Japan are hit?

    • mackafritz

      I don’t think they can look more than one step ahead. It’s like 1-D checkers they are playing.

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        I’m thinking more like Chutes and Ladders. Checkers requires too much strategic thinking.

        • Komsumverweigerer Ron

          Frankly, I think they’d be stretched playing Candy Land.

          • MrTusks

            The card tells me to go to red? You can’t tell me what to do, card!

          • SeeTrain65

            “Queen Frostine don’t play that shit.”

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    I told everyone within earshot for over a year that Trump was “no good, really bad for you in every way”, and we fucking elected him anyway. Obviously, this is a poor strategy.

  • Joe Beese
  • BosGrl

    Since you all know how I feel about this, I’m going to do everyone (and my blood pressure) a favor and not comment. Next!

  • Gosh, people have been saying you shouldn’t smoke tobacco, drink alcohol, or do any number of other things that are bad for you for generations. Good thing that today we’re all a bunch of teetotalers who never would think of smoking or doing drugs! Wait….

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      This administration’s actions are probably INCREASING drug use.

      • BearGHAZI

        I know that is true for a fact, at least in my own case

        • SeeTrain65

          I’ve got at least three new prescriptions since he’s taken office. Not coincidentally, one is Xanax.

    • Three Finger Salute

      I don’t have any chemical vices, but only because I’ve seen personally the kind of ravages that self-medicating untreated mental illness with alcohol and street drugs has caused. That said I think the country’s drug policy is ridiculous. We’re arresting people for having a mental disorder. Nobody gets arrested for alcoholism (unless it’s a DUI) so why aren’t these people getting treated instead of sent to prison? Oh, right, $$$$$$$$$$$ and the “moral ‘high’ ground”.

    • Rags

      And it totally cured all teh geyhz also too!

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    On the “serious approaches to combating our nation’s drug problems” front, my Governator, Gov. “I’m not even from here!” Bevin, has decreed that part of our funds be used to paint rocks.
    I wish there was a joke here (apart from the obvious one) but alas, there is not.

    • VirginiaWackelpudding

      I want to be on whateverthefuck Bevin is on. Will there also too be a “Catch Lucky” challenge and a unicorn rodeo?

      • Tiny kaiju

        Glitter filled water balloons fights too!

    • Tiny kaiju

      Does Mr. Bevin think his constituents are all elementary school aged children?
      Or is it that if they we dumb enough to elect him, they are dumb enough to fall for this?

    • Tiny kaiju

      I’m guessing door to door giveaways of naloxone and nasal administration devices, along with mini size candy bars would be too practical. Egads! It might even save someone.

    • SeeTrain65

      Yeah, that’ll do much more than treatment facilities.

      Hey, Matt, do you and John Kasich share a brain cell?

      (They should both be sharing a prison cell.)

  • Joe Beese

    Though it’s probably not what we would use to nuke North Korea, here’s an interesting animation of all the different stages in a Minuteman III launch. It’s a more complicated sequence than you might think.

    (immediately turn off the volume: horrible techno music)

    • therblig

      pretty cool, but i didn’t see anything about setting the CRM-114 Discriminator to prefix “OPE”

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

    keep youth from going down this deadly path.

    Um you already don’t understand this epidemic… it’s EVERYBODY not just yoots.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Yeah, I mean, if you were paying attention you might know that the death rates for middle-aged white dudes are increasing because of this, but that’s not Ivanka’s cleavage or his own beautiful visage in a mirror, so how could he be expected to pay attention?

    • Ghenghis McCann

      Young folks today with their drugs. Oh well I’d better go to pharmacy for my prescription painkillers.”

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Youths! Always corrupting their elders!

    • SeeTrain65

      “Where did you learn this, Dad?”


    • YoBunnyBunny

      Not to mention that most youths get on the stuff by raiding THEIR PARENTS’ medicine cabinets… But yeah, kids, stay out of mom and dad’s happy pill stash.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Mueller: “Thank you for your attention to this matter. You will be hearing from us soon. You are important to us.”

  • beatbort

    I don’t know if Trump was on drugs but I do believe he needs to be heavily medicated.

    • yyyaz

      By force, because you know he would never take his medicine voluntarily.

      • Ghenghis McCann

        Hide it in his ice cream, but adjust the dosage because of the two scoops.

  • Lefty Wright

    One problem with the get tough stance is that the opioid problem is hitting white people in rural areas. Once the county Republican party director’s son gets busted for oxy, those 20 year sentences may not look so good. Look at some of the state’s hit hardest, including New Hampshire, West Virginia, Maine, and Kentucky. They are as white as the drugs they snort and shoot up.

    • CripesAmighty

      Lock ’em up!

    • therblig

      no thugs in our house

      The insect-headed worker-wife
      Will hang her waspies on the line
      She’s singing something stale and simple
      Now this business has fizzled out
      Her little tune is such a happy song
      Her son is innocent, he can’t do wrong
      ‘Cos Dad’s a judge and knows exactly
      What the job of judging’s all about

  • MynameisBlarney

    Remember that Greenwald thread from a couple of days ago?
    Well, it’s now on the top spot of DU”s Greatest Threads list.

    Check the column to the right.

  • Lyly Sirivong

    Psst.. Donnie… It’s not just kids buying drugs in the streets… Look into your medecine cabinet !

  • chortlingdingo

    I had a minor surgery once, just a cyst removal on my upper chest, and I was given a prescription for percoset! It was three little stitches, and two advil was plenty to ease the discomfort of it. (It healed like shit, which is how we discovered that my skin does not like sutures.)

    I can’t imagine why the doctor thought I would need percoset for it.

    • anon_the_great

      On the flip side poor people in chronic pain are regularly under-prescribed. And if you are homeless you can forget about effective pain medicine.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        So he should sell those Percs to poor people!

    • Not shits and giggle if the commercials for addition drugs to combat opioid induced constipation are to believed

    • Edith Prickly

      I still have Percocets left over from my first ankle surgery. I never even filled the prescription they gave me after the second surgery because I didn’t need it.

      • Old town Urbandale

        I didn’t bother filling the prescriptions for narcotics following my surgeries, except for the hydromorphone after my lung surgery. It gave me the weirdest, most vivid dreams. The one I remember best was that I’d participated in bank robbery that had gone horribly wrong. My buddies were dead, I had the money, and I was desperately trying to figure out where I could get rid of the money so it would never be found, and how to transport it so it would look like I was an innocent dupe if I was caught. I lay in bed for a good five minutes trying to plan, and cursing myself for being so stupid as to get involved with the robbery. I decided to get up an check the computer to see what news reports were saying about the robbery. As it was booting up, finally I thought, “Wait a sec, I wasn’t in a bank robbery…” I think I switched to Advil after that.

        • Mildred Broxon

          They gave me oxycodone for knee surgery.
          My old blind cat remarked, casually, “I’m going to get a cup of coffee.”
          I switched to a less-potent medication.

    • theblackdog

      Years ago I sliced my finger on a mandolin slicer and the ER wrote me a scrip for percoset which seemed like overkill since I found standard OTC advil was fine for the pain.

      More recently I sliced my finger with a knife and needed stitches but they didn’t bother giving me a scrip, told me to take advil instead. Maybe they have started listening to the idea of not prescribing the powerful stuff immediately.

    • SeeTrain65

      I can see it being used for things like dental surgery. In fact, that’s where I received at least two of the three pain meds I was prescribed. They made me sick, and I still had to suffer through the pain.

      Now I can’t take or handle anything but Tylenol.

      • chortlingdingo

        Ah, that sounds like it was miserable. I was prescribed vicodin when I had my wisdom teeth out, but I never ended up filling it.

        • SeeTrain65

          I got used to the throbbing. I just started dancing to it. ; )

          It all turned out O.K., though. I just had to tough it out for a day or two.

  • Les Appentis De la résistance

    There are roughly 32,000 gun deaths per year in the United States and we don’t so shit. What makes 59,000 OD’s so important? Is there a magic threshold at which point we should care?

    • ariel_gee_398

      It’s not the number of deaths as much as the ease with which the number of deaths can be used as a pretext to arrest and incarcerate more people, particularly black and brown people. If they really gave a shit, they’d do something about prescription painkillers, but they’re addicted to those sweet pharma lobbying dollars.

      • Tiny kaiju

        I believe most states are put programs in place and there are new federal prescribing guidelines and restrictions. My state has a prescription database that doctors and pharmacists have to check with for opioid prescriptions that have certain red flags indicating possible abuse. The other problem is that there are shit-ton of people with chronic pain and other effective options for pain control are virtually none existent in most places.

    • Ghenghis McCann

      It’s not the numbers. It’s because there is a “National Rifle Association”, but there isn’t a “National Opioid Producers Association”. Things might be different if NOPA were giving money to the Republicans.

  • Komsumverweigerer Ron

    The complete absence of definite nouns is interesting – it wasn’t even his usual Mad Libs speechifying style. Did he even know what the speech was supposed to be about?

  • CripesAmighty

    Hey, wait a minute. This might just work out–if the strategy is to raid everyone zonked out on opioids, think about all the Billies yanked from their duck taped barcoloungers while yelling along with Hannity? No votes for felons, right?

    • jowgajen

      Silly, we send the white ones to rehab. Only the black and brown ones go to jail.

      • MrTusks

        The white people drugs cause an epidemic to be cured, while the brown people drugs cause a war to be won.

        • jowgajen

          Weirdly, this rule applies to everything, including nuclear weapons.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “Opipods are the seed pods of the opium poppy; that’s where all the trouble begins, botanically speaking. So, we misspelled opipod, not opiod, as the liberal media is claiming.”
    — If Trump Admin tried to explain away the error rather than just declaring “opioid” to be FAKE Spelling pushed on us by cosmopolitan elites. (Three vowels in a row? That can’t be real).

    • Lance Thrustwell

      I always thought ‘Opioids’ were people with a hypnotic trance-like attachment to the Andy Griffith show.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Or robots designed to be precise facsimiles of Opie?

  • VirginiaWackelpudding

    His words seem to be targeting teens. How bout we keep the adults off opioids by stopping them from ever getting injured? Getting meds for work related injuries, vehicle injuries, and back problems open the door for people. So let’s stop people from getting hurt. And of course we need a war on arthritis.
    Or people should just suck it up and embrace their agony. Celebrate your pain! Mark my words, this war on pain will become a thing since nothing ridiculous is off the table.

    • Edith Prickly

      I was just about to ask what the age breakdown is for people hooked on opioids – I would guess it’s mainly older people with conditions that cause chronic pain and are hard to treat. It would make little sense for opioid addiction to skew young – unless you’re simply borrowing warmed over rhetoric from the 1980s about drug addiction because you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

      • VirginiaWackelpudding

        There are some youngs that enjoy grabbing grandma’s pain pills. But if grandma didn’t have them in the first place? Win win! Just ignore grandma begging for death because she hurts so bad. This is all kinda messed up.

    • Anna Rompage

      Or, how about when someone does get injured, lets get them non-opioid treatment such as massage, chiropractic, physical therapy, acupuncture, and whatever the hell the rest of the 1st world does to treat their populations for pain, instead of giving someone a $20 bottle of prescription heroin and having them come back in a month for a refill…

      • jowgajen

        Missed a zero on the prescription cost.

        • Three Finger Salute

          “A” zero?

      • Thiazin Red

        It depends on what the problem is. If you’ve got a herniated disk those things might reduce your symptoms slightly for a short time but they won’t fix the underlying issue. I think we need to not be so afraid of just doing the surgery to fix it.

  • onedollarjuana

    “But if they don’t start, it will never be a problem.”

    Hmm, ghost of Nancy Reagan, where have I heard “Just say No” before?

  • Mavenmaven

    …We have to win for our young people — and, frankly, we have to win for a lot of other people, not necessarily young, who like hanging around young people’s, especially hot girl’s, dressing rooms when they are changing, because when you are famous like me they let you do whatever you want to them, and you know, I won big this election…

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Trump thinks opioids are those mints that come in the metal container.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “My breath is still terrible, but now I don’t care!”

    • SeeTrain65

      “The Curiously Stupid President.”

  • mardam422

    If they don’t start, it will never happen. Not only that, but if fatties don’t eat, they will never be fat. And if kids don’t touch that stove, they won’t get burned. So don’t do that, kids. Oh, and not kids, too. Just don’t do it, whatever it is. Because if you don’t, you won’t. Believe me, we are going to take care of it. Because we have to start to take care of it, or we won’t take care of it. So we are, and we will. But kids, don’t, us do. That’s it. It will be so easy. Now, where is my 3-wood?

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Donnie, it’ll never get to be more than a 1-1/2″ wood, no matter how hard you tug on it…

    • The Librarian

      Does this work the same way for pussy grabbing addiction?

  • Michael Smith

    Any time a story about the heroin epidemic shows up on Facebook or Twitter, the comments and responses always include a chunk of people saying:

    “I don’t agree with how we are all supposed to feel so bad for these people now. Everyone knows what happens when you try heroin. You were stupid and selfish and I’m not going to waste my time feeling bad or trying to help you. That just teaches young people that if you decide to start taking drugs, you’ll be okay. This is the same PC crap that’s ruining America in other areas. In my opinion, you teach kids not to use drugs, and you punish dealers hard.”

    These are the same people who say that if black people would get jobs and stop gangbanging, then the police wouldn’t treat them like dangerous people; that Islam is an evil religion practiced by inferior people; that our economy suffers from moochers and lazies who take benefits from taxpayers and don’t contribute, or who force companies to pay them more than they are worth until the companies move overseas; etc., etc., ..

    And these are the people who voted Trump in and who still love him and won’t abandon him for anything. So that’s all he needs to say about drugs. Teach your kids not to use them. If they use them, then you failed and so did they and don’t come crying to me.

    • TundraGrifter

      If poor people would just go out there and get a bunch of money they wouldn’t be poor anymore.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      I was going to make a mean comment about those people, but I just can’t… their statements stand for themselves…

    • theblackdog

      And they’re the kind of people that end up turning to heroin because they were given oxy for some form of chronic pain and couldn’t come off of it after their doctors cut them off because they voted against things like treatment programs for addiction.

    • SeeTrain65

      IOKIYWAF (It’s O.K. if you’re white as fuck.)

  • azeyote

    just say no has never worked – except for the prison system –

  • Old town Urbandale
  • TundraGrifter

    How about a scientific study to see if programs such as DARE make things better or worse?

    Personally, I suspect telling kids not to do something generally encourages them to give it a shot.

    • HazooToo

      At the risk of finding out you knew this: They did! And it made things worse! Who’s shocked?

  • Beanz&Berryz

    We should have a catchy lesson/slogan..I know!

    Just say NO to… ummm,… wait… uhhhhh… opiodic substances

    • george lastrapes

      I always liked “Friends don’t let friends vote Republican.” More to the point: “Oxycodone is the opiate of the masses.”

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Except that might get confused as a marketing slogan…

        • george lastrapes

          That’s why the Pharma-Industrial Complex just might like it.

  • Rick Hill

    So, he’s going to go with something new? A plan to tell kids not to do these drugs? Some sort of “Just say No to drugs” or something? It’s craezy enough that it just might work!

    • SeeTrain65

      Like D.A.R.E.

  • HazooToo

    Has anyone ever even tried to inform this fuck-knuckle that a lot of these opioid addictions started with a Doctor prescribing pain relief? I came SO fucking close to getting addicted to pain killers. They made me feel carefree. It was easy to smile, and yet I could still think and focus and do things. I was NOT DEPRESSED while I was on them. It was painful to convince myself that I should let them go. It’s easy as shit to get addicted to pain killers, and you guys all know it. Why doesn’t he?

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Because he’s a moran in all topics

    • SeeTrain65

      Big pharma pushes them on doctors. Doctors push them on patients.

      I should say SOME doctors. My GP is very, very against the use of opiates for pain relief, which is much more than I can say for other doctors I’ve had who’ve given me Percoset, Vicodin, and Tramadol for my pain, then watched as I began to feel sick and vomit less than 30 minutes later.

      My body doesn’t play well with opiates, and that, plus my doctor’s attitude on opiates (and the attitude or my doctor’s office in general) has likely kept me from possible addiction.

    • kLo

      Holy shit. Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I took oxy when I had my wisdom teeth removed, and this was what I remembered. I can imagine if you are under a lot of emotional stress and in pain, opioids are a panacea. I’m glad you saw that train coming and were able to step off the tracks.

      • HazooToo

        Me too. It was really close, especially since I was losing my mother to kidney failure/diabetes/heart disease around the same time. I would have done almost anything to be stable for my son, then. It would have been frightfully easy to just give in. They’re great pain relief! But that’s not all they are, and we all need to be careful when we take them.

  • theblackdog

    This explains why I saw people posting pictures of the “Winners Don’t Use Drugs” screens from arcade machines with the caption “If only someone had been telling us already”

    • WotsAllThisThen

      I figured if I’m spending time at the arcade it’s a little late to warn me not to be a loser. Plus, I was just out back smoking a doob so… better luck next time Chase H.Q. by Taito!

  • Vicious Babushka

    If you get a broken leg DON’T TAKE PAIN MEDS if you have surgery DON’T TAKE PAIN MEDS if you get arthritis or neuropathy or fibromyalgia or cancer JUST BITE ON A GODDAMN BULLET.

    • Old town Urbandale

      Your insurance company will thank you, assuming it pays for prescriptions.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      I got a seriously, agonizingly broken arm and was kept on a rather short leash as far pain-killers were concerned. I could only get a new pill when the pain got to near madness-inducing levels.

      Nevertheless, I weaned myself off them as soon as possible.

      I still feel as if I came close to falling so close to a careening freight train that my hair bent backwards.

  • Portia McGonagal

    Maybe he had the reefer madness that Jefferson Beauregard is so het up about.

  • Robyn Ryan
    • Beanz&Berryz

      Ouch…. And there will be another hour past here shortly… and another…

  • bookish

    Just as soon as Drumf makes his major announcement, all will be resolved.

  • Marla

    Good for you, Trump. Go after the “youth” is America while the majority of those addicted to these Big-pharma brain fuck pills are adults. Oh, and speaking of Big-pharma, you know, the REAL drug pushers why aren’t you mentioning them? Too busy having your pockets filled by them to bother?

    • Incoming Ham

      It’s as if his frame of reference is the “This Is Your Brain On Drugs” campaign.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Assumes brain not in existence.

  • Robyn Ryan

    Private prisons need slave labor!

  • William Romanowski

    I’ve just returned from my Rheumatology doctor. He said that the thing nobody wants to study or address is a marked increase in chronic pain. He called it an epidemic. I’ve never heard this brought up in the opioid discussions. All you hear about is that people want to get high. Discuss?

    • William Romanowski

      Also, the doctor brought up “marijuana” as a possible help/opioid substitute for chronic pain relief, but alas, we are in Iowa where there’s no med/rec use laws here so he can’t prescribe it as an alternative.

      • The Librarian

        From what I’ve read, doctors are complicit in this tragedy because it’s so easy to get a prescription and keep it going until it’s too late. I don’t discount people wanting to get high by any means, but people with chronic pain and no desire to be high get caught in this trap.

        Legalizing weed federally would be a great place to start.

        • Incoming Ham

          Initially this is what they were sold. By now they should know better.

          • The Librarian

            What a crock of shite. :P

          • Incoming Ham

            I couldn’t believe it when I saw it. WTF?

          • The Librarian

            IKR?!! It’s as bad as the tobacco ads used to be.

        • Steeltown Gal

          Doctors were forced by the Joint Commission (on Hospital Accreditation) to give more pain meds when they declared pain to the “fifth vital sign”. There were even some docs who were prosecuted for not prescribing enough pain meds for chronic pain patients. When the number of addictions started increasing, the JC backed off of the “fifth vital sign” BS, but it was too late. States started cracking down on opioid scripts and cheap heroin became available and took the place of prescription drugs because the legal drugs became almost impossible to get anymore.

          • Three Finger Salute

            The Joint Commission forced them to prescribe something far more harmful than marijuana.

            You can’t make this up.

          • Steeltown Gal

            I know–crazy, right? I remember the days when a hospital could fail it’s JC inquisition, er survey, when the surveyors did chart reviews or interviewed patients and there was not enough attention paid to pain levels and pain relief. There was a requirement to chart the patient’s response to administered pain meds every 15 minutes or so, and if the patient didn’t report satisfactory pain relief, to call the doc to get more/something else ordered. It was a nightmare.

          • laineypc

            There’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t quality to this story.

          • laineypc

            I thought that part of this was in the context of end-stage terminal illness, that patients at the end of their lives were not receiving adequate pain management,which is a valid use for opioids.

          • Steeltown Gal

            That was part of it. The JC, however, made pain the “fifth vital sign” for ALL hospitalised patients and that bullied folks into prescribing more and stronger pain meds for all. If I remember correctly, the majority of publicised cases were in the context of end-of-life care, but, state medical boards threatened physicians with licensure actions if non-terminal patients complained too much about not receiving enough pain meds.

          • The Librarian

            Thank you for this.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      Growing oldster demographic with all the aches and pains of aging. Most must now work well into their 70’s and many are just trying to feel less pain to get through that work day. So you end up with both natural and environmental factors that increase the need for pain relief. The physicians do what they can but often that is to over medicate. Then god knows what happens to the pills and prescriptions that don’t get used.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Scientific research into chronic pain does not promise any quick profit, so of course it is underfunded. And given the current maladministration, it won’t get funded by the anti-scientists in charge.

      It sucks to be us.

      • Three Finger Salute

        GOP answer to medical research into chronic pain:

        Prayer is the cure for everything. And if you still suffer from pain after praying, it’s because God hates you.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      yeah, i got chronic pain…it’s called OLD AGE and a touch of arthritis…fucking suck it up, whiny-ass boomers, old age aint for pussies

  • F Michael Addams

    …don’t mess with Drumpfland’s substance of choice..

    • SeeTrain65


      Oh, sorry, forgot the subject matter.

  • The Librarian

    Trump couldn’t care less. Keeping his base high and under his submission. Soma, anyone?

    • Marsupial99

      Hey, wait — I like Soma.

      Ohhhhh…. you mean the OTHER Soma, the BNW Soma.

      Seriously, why did Mylan Pharm. name a muscle relaxer Soma? Was that just a huge troll on everyone???

      • Three Finger Salute

        Probably not. Maybe they’d read Brave New World, but I guarantee you the majority of Merkinese have not.

        • Serai 1

          Soma goes back farther than that. It’s the food of the gods in Hindu mythology. That’s why Huxley chose the name for his panacea drug.

  • kaydenpat

    Trump cares about people addicted to opioids like He cares about everything else which doesn’t directly impact him — very little.

    • SeeTrain65

      Not at all.

  • Incoming Ham

    I’ll bet his plan works as well as abstinence only sex education in Texas.

    • Bozilingus

      I should have read down a little bit.

      • Incoming Ham

        Phone. It’s a real pain in the ass.

  • lroom

    Legalizing marijuana would help some of the people who are suffering from chronic pain. Sessions is busy ruining that for everyone.

    • SeeTrain65

      “It leads to the harder stuff! … Like cheddar instead of brie!”

      • Rags


    • Aileen

      Yep. Legalize marijuana nationally, decriminalize harder drugs (like Portugal did, and now they have hardly any overdose deaths), greatly restrict prescription pain killers. Pharmaceutical companies profiting off our misery and doctors over prescribing opioids (hey, look, I spelled that correctly!) need to be held accountable.

  • Bozilingus

    “Just say NO.” Works just as well for drugs as it does for abstinence as sex education.

    • SeeTrain65

      “Just say no.” – Brizzdull

  • lovelydestruction

    I insist that you use my monthly contribution on drugs. Your welcome.

    • SeeTrain65

      My welcome what?

      • lovelydestruction

        Haha *you’re

  • timpundit

    I always tell my doctor or dentist that idf they do not give me proper pain medication I will simply self prescribe alcohol and whatever drug I can buy off of friends.

    I do not prefer pain meds, they work ok but the side effects are what I hate. But, dammit a lot of my tax money went into the R&D of this medication don’t fucking tell me I don’t need it or can’t have some when I do.

  • darnyoudarnyoutoheck

    Meanwhile in Canada… our response to the fentanyl crisis has been slow and inadequate, but involves handing out free naxolone kits and more supervised injection sites.

    • Incoming Ham

      You have a response. Many places here either don’t or don’t have much.

      • Three Finger Salute

        That’s because even though Canada has their share of assholes, after 10 years they’re finally not the majority party anymore.

    • Three Finger Salute

      And weed. Already legal medicinally, but recreational is coming in 2018. In Bloomberg Businessweek Justin even said that his primary concern was safety. Legalize and regulate so that people don’t go to shady dealers and buy joints laced with crap from the streets.

      Scumbag Steve and his minions were perfectly fine with locking everyone up and letting “junkies” die in the street. Fuck the GOP North with a thousand moose antler votes.

    • Iron Monkey

      While not the ideal solution, (who knows what is) supervised sites for heroin users is still the most humane and effective response to what seems to be intractable injection drug habits.

  • Mehmeisterjr

    Two Corinthians meet on the street.

    Corinthian One: Ya got an opiod?

    Corinthian Two: You mean an ipodio?

    Corinthian One: Man, I don’t know what I mean but it’s a crisis. Fox News says so.

  • Such a filthy CMW comment

    I’m not usually very sympathetic to drug addicts, but I feel sorry for lots of them knowing this White House has now decided to do something about them, because that something is likely to be terrible and racist.

    • man i kinda do. if you have the gene it’s really hard.

      oh yeah, and also fuck trump and this stupid malevolent administration.

  • Iron Monkey

    They have robbed the honest doctors and dentists and pharmacists of
    their ability to deal with real pain felt by their patients, made opium
    based pain relief difficult to get, pushed those with opioid habits into the
    arms of heroin suppliers but cut the support system for those dealing
    with heroin addiction–methadone maintenance, suboxone, counseling.

    Part of it is incompetence, part simply wanting addicts to suffer for their sins.

    • Incoming Ham

      This ^^^

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      this is what’s weird – across the country they’re rolling back prescriptions (i’m gathering) for opioids, which is great for the segment of doctors that over prescribing it, and yet they’re including these people that chronic pain issues in that AND denying them legal weed.

      What the fuck are they supposed to do? Those peopel with chronic pain are going to to turn the black market, legal or illegal weed, or just fucking commit suicide.
      It’s terrible.

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      The culture of addiction treatment has always been dominated by punitivism.

      • Moar Wordz

        I agree that it’s a flawed program
        ( A.A ) While a member I was mocked for seeing my family over going to a mtg, & told to go when I had pneumonia ( I did & nearly got in car accident twice.) I was also told my 90 & 90 wasn’t valid if I missed even one mtg ( due to it’s no longer existing despite being listed in the mtg book.)
        A.A members hacked my phone & computer and MUCH WORSE & lied to my face abt it – yeah, bye Bob. That kind of Dogma I don’t need. People were so into my business that they knew the NEXT DAY after I fired a sponsor. Really sick stuff.
        I mean shit, they knew practically my every move via my smart ☎, people highly respected in the community as well.

  • Johnatx

    They have to fill up all those private prisons. Gotta pay off the big contributors.

  • foiled again

    Opiod? I always found Opie to be level-headed, especially for a redhead.

    • H0mer0

      red heads require higher doses (true fact) and anesthesiologists apparently dread passing gas on them.

  • Paperless Tiger

    If Trump would resign, it would cure a big pain in the ass.

  • Poly_Ester

    I wonder which Trump scions are addicted to opiods (sic) and if they will tell daddy.

    • TakingAmes


  • roberteye

    I think “Opiod” was Ron Howard’s character’s full name on Andy Griffith.

    • SisterArtemis

      robot version

    • mardam422

      Then there was Bennies Fife.

  • Three Finger Salute

    Maybe you could, I dunno, tell General Custard to call off the Reefer Madness dogs and remove cannabis from the schedule list altogether?

    Nah, that would be sensible and would cut into the profits collection baskets of the Church of Holy Pharma, the Temple of the Private Prison Contractors, and the Order of the Anointed Thug Cops. What about the Benjamins? Won’t someone PLEASE think of the BENJAMINS?!?

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      ^^ This^^

    • Invidosa

      As a medical marijuana user (in Michigan). . . 1000 times this!! Marijuana works better for my chronic pain then opioids (which just makes me not care that I’m in pain) while still allowing me to be a coherent person and not hooked.

      And I would be too. . . I know (as do my doctors) that I like opioids too much for them to be safe for me

  • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

    i had C-spine fusion surgery almost 1month ago…i told the surgeon that i
    didnt tolerate opiates very well, and that if he did send me home with them, that i wouldnt use but a handful…i figured he’d give me an envelope of a dozen orso, maybe a script for 30…i got a script, mrs mfp had to go pick it up cause i was delirious and out of it–she came back home with a not-so-little brown plastic med bottle of 180 (that’s right–one hundred and fucking eighty) oxycodones….i am convinced that ‘they’–someones, somewhere–want to turn as many of us as possible into opiate junkies…trust me, 180 of those fuckers is more than enough to turn one into a junkie…fucking ridiculous, i was in pain, but not that much pain, and opiates dont even work after about five days worth, anyway–after that, all i would have been (if taken as prescribed) was dope-sick every morning, and addicted and constipated for life….

    btw, i cut them in half instead of ‘1-2 every 4-6 hours’ (i’d have been dead by the 2nd day at that rate), and was lock-down constipated by the time i got to the 4th 1/2 on day 2…i still have 173 of them left, and they’ll be hitting the drug disposal bucket when i get back to work

    if the powers that be in govt or biznez are really serious about the opioid problem, they’ll 1) legalise weed (non-smoker here, if wondering)– 2) get our military the fuck out of guarding the poppy fields in afghanistan for CIA and big pharma profits, and–3) go after big pharma and physicians prescribing all this shit…so yeah, dont anyone hold their breath waiting for anything to be done

    • laineypc

      Best wishes for a speedy recovery and better quality of life. Stick with the PT as long as you can.

      • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

        oh, i’m fine, thank you…the first couple weeks were rough, but i feel like a new lease on life

    • kareemachan

      I bless my doctors and dentists (root canal recently) who believe me when I say NOTHING WITH CODEINE OR OPIOIDS PLEASE. They make me nauseous and are not worth it.

      Also, my brother OD’ed from opioids mixed with liquor, so the thought of using them is what, disgusting? Nauseating? Repugnant? All of the above…. :-(

      • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s


    • TakingAmes

      180!?!?!? Are you fucking kidding me?!?!? That’s just irresponsible of the surgeon. You should report him/her to their local medical board.

      • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

        in his (tepid) defense, he did say “absolutely no refills, dont even ask”—but here’s the problem with that—someone without my very high tolerance for pain would already be hooked and dope-sick or looking for other means to acquire—and that’s when and where the hell begins

    • The Librarian

      JFC! When I had bone replacement surgery I didn’t get that many!!!!! I didn’t stay on it long because I like my brain cells, but it was necessary in the beginning.

    • Dinz6315

      Wow. That’s not my experience. I had major abdominal surgery 3 weeks ago, and the narcs are long gone, believe me. I was discharged on a Thursday and given enough to go through Sunday night.

      There are many, many problems with opiates, but now the pendulum is swinging the other way to an insane degree. I am a visiting nurse, and we are stuck between the federal requirement to closely monitor pain and demonstrate that it is improving, and the near-impossibility of getting physicians to prescribe enough to achieve that in many, many cases.

      There are people with severe chronic pain. My mother was one of them. With the sophisticated pharmaceuticals available, these people should not have to suffer. But they are suffering. A few are making it insupportable for the many.

      BTW also a recovered person myself.

    • Sarah Smith

      Damn, I sat here for a full minute trying to figure out what kind of drug “orso” was.

      • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

        wha, you dont know joey orso? 😆😆

  • Bitter Scribe

    I don’t suppose the pharmaceutical companies that are pumping out all those opioid pills will be told to clean up their acts?

    • TakingAmes


    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      pfft…why you think we’re in afghanistan?

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    You know the funny thing about the opioid epidemic? Most people got hooked by simply following their doctor’s orders. See? Told you that was funny. I guess if we just teach our kids never to take any prescription medication at all, then problem solved, huh?

    • kareemachan

      And states like, oh, I dunno, Floriduh make it easier than fuck to get the drugs.

    • yes this is actually one of the more horrifying things this administration has done: recriminalizing addiction.

  • Resistance Ftr PuckStopsHere

    It hurts the messaging when the person delivering it is significantly less coherent than an opioid addict who injected ten minutes ago,

  • WotsAllThisThen

    Before we go and spend a lot of money, are we sure opioid addiction isn’t cause by childhood vaccinations? TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!

    • mardam422

      Or it could just be a liberal, left wing, false flag operation. So let’s not go overboard just yet.

      • riledupone

        A Minnesota Muslin lefty libtard?

    • SadDemInTex

      I’m going to share this idea!

  • kareemachan

    Kellyannebob Conjob, a little gingham dress AIN’T appropriate to talk about opioid deaths.

    Just sayin’…

    • Ducksworthy

      She was high. So it is SO appropriate.

  • Typical. Addiction is a moral failing. Therefore, all addicts are bad and must be punished. Doing anything about the substance and the reasons people have for using is worthless, because the problem is bad people. So, we need to tell kids not to be bad, because that’s the only thing that will work, which is what they did in the 80s and why we have no addicts of any kind, today.

    • george lastrapes

      Now when I was younger, I flirted with addictions, and a couple of them got out of hand. It was a hard task to get rid of an addiction; I had to remind myself that I after all possessed free will, that I had abused that free will, and must cease to do so. No 12-stepping, no Higher Power (unless such be the source of free will), no therapy.
      All right, I’m strung out on caffeine and Wonkette. But neither has yet risen to the level of moral failing, at least to my mind.
      To call an addiction a disease is to abdicate agency. Think of a man on trial for sexual assault, saying to the judge, “Your Honor, I am a victim of rapism.” If we have free will, if there is such a thing as morals, then there is such a thing as moral failure. And addiction, at least in part, is a moral failing.
      Every case is different, of course. An accident victim who depends too much on percocets is certainly different from a bored,nihilistic rich kid who gets a thrill thinking how upset the parents will be when the parents inevitably find out he’s shooting heroin. But they are both in the same boat: they must quit blaming others, rehab their atrophied free will, and only then quit blaming themselves.

      • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

        Yes and no. It is also a problem of awareness and weighing outcomes, which can be difficult and become impaired over time. The “bored, nihilistic rich kid” may have some moral failing, and also not be weighing the outcome of becoming addicted. Then once someone falls into a pattern of substance abuse, awareness becomes very impaired, with “minimizing suffering for the next x hours” being the most heavily weighted consideration.
        I don’t have this more thought out at the moment, but my main point as that it is possible to understand and address substance abuse problems without either the disease concept or excessive moralizing.

        • george lastrapes

          Whatever works. It could be that belief in free will, or in determinism, is itself genetically contingent. Me, I feel compelled to accept free will; others will say they have chosen to accept determinism.
          What gits mah goat, though, is the claim that addiction is 100% disease, made by substance-abuse counsellors, who say “I’m certified and you’re not so shut up and oh you don’t drink that’s the worst kind of alcoholic!”
          I will certainly accept that addiction damages agency (meaning free will). A person in a cirrhotic coma- there’s nothing left but the disease. But there was certainly a time in that person’s life when they could’ve applied their agency and made a different choice.

          • Addiction is a disease.
            Some people can overcome disease easier than others.

          • george lastrapes

            As I said, whatever works. But when I went to AA, where the disease paradigm is the basis of the program, the stress on powerlessness and passivity before that Higher Power had more than a whiff of Calvinism about it. (I’m agnostic, but my moral/ethical beliefs derive from, uh, Thomism- no other word for it.) AA seeks to make alcoholism the organizing principle of one’s life: one may be in recovery, but never over it. Rational Recovery was a much better fit for me.

        • george lastrapes

          A complicated subject, and you’ve given it some careful thought. We agree more than we differ, I think. But here’s one from the blue: the demonic possession model. Briefly- I have known addicts (mostly alcoholics) who seem to have another consciousness, seeking self-preservation above all else, capable of feats of logic, misdirection, mind-control,and more, that the victim seems incapable of. This is in no way a fit for my agnostic, structuralist, rationalist worldview. But the force of the metaphor- that’s all it can be(?)- is so powerful that I wonder what it might be pointing to, what gives it its power.

        • george lastrapes

          Once I went to a meeting of Caffeinics Anonymous. In the corner of the room was a keg of beer and plastic cups.

      • To call an addiction a disease is to abdicate agency. Think of a man on trial for sexual assault, saying to the judge, “Your Honor, I am a victim- of rapism.

        Uh, no.

        I’m going to assume you’ve never been raped, which is why you can conflate something one does to himself and something one does to another person?

        As someone who has experienced both rape and addiction, fuck you.

        In the interest of being somewhat more constructive, there are medical methods to treat addiction. They work. Praying or thinking addiction away is great, but they are not scientific and have a pitiful rate of success.

        I am glad just quitting worked for you. But, if it doesn’t work for someone else it is cruel to suggest that it should have, if only they were stronger people.

        • george lastrapes

          I did not conflate the two. I juxtaposed the two, in order to suggest that since we would never accept ‘the disease of rapism’ as a defense for the crime of rape, perhaps I should not say the disease of alcoholism bought that bottle of vodka, opened it, and forced it down my throat.
          You- yourself- called alcoholism ‘something one does to himself’ and not ‘something that happens to someone’: so you may agree with me more than you think.
          Is it cruel to say to a person (or people) ‘You are stronger than you think, accept some responsibility!’? There should be fitness classes to define, strengthen, and tone free will. “Feel the burn, people!”
          And for a rape victim to fortify his/her argument with a gratuitous ‘fuck you’- how richly ironic is that?!?!? Thanks!

          • Wow. You are a special kind of stupid, aren’t you? Done with you. Blocked.

          • george lastrapes

            And you are a special kind of special. Perhaps one day they’ll make a bus short enough for you.

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    Opioid addiction shoots up 47% nationwide in the minutes directly after this briefing.

  • whitroth

    1. But I thought a lot of the folks using were *older*, not in their teens or 20s, and it was because there were no fucking good jobs….
    2. And we still don’t know what his pet “doctor” is prescribing for him. Maybe… hmmm, saw a really crude cartoon, with him sitting on the bed with Melania, and the caption is, “Shall I call in Ivanka again?”. Well, maybe he’ll take too many Viagras and have a stroke. Or three.

    • Debra Dassow

      There is a problem with senior citizens and addiction AARP magazine had a long article about it, as well as old white people selling their scripts.

  • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

    Tom Price says we need more faith-based treatment (of the kind that held back progress in substance abuse treatment for 80 years) and less medication-based treatment.

    Also, the unconstitutionality of 12-step religious coercion (which is what being placed in 12-step treatment with no other options is, BTDT) has been affirmed in virtually every case at the state and district level, but it has never gone to the Supreme Court. Yikes.

    • Le Chapeau

      My late brother, a psychiatrist, used drugs all the time with his patients, but as means to an end: getting them stabilized to the point where therapy could actually take place. Inevitably he caught some patients gaming the system for drugs, and he “fired” them. Otherwise, when he had patients back firmly on earth and motivated to get better, he was able to help hundreds of people.

  • SprinklemagicResistancebuns

    Please, not more methadone. It needs to stay in the clinics, for addiction treatment. We (pharmacies) used to not even be able to dispense it because the only indication was addiction treatment. Now it’s prescribed for pain, and has to be vetted like oxycodone rxs. IDK how that even got approved, since it’s generic, cheap, and been around forever. The doses we’re seeing are NOT for addiction treatment.
    Hydrocodone also needs to go away. When it went to a more controlled schedule, I thought we’d see less prescribed by ERs, dentists, etc, but it’s more popular than ever. The US uses 99% of the world’s hydrocodone. The only exception would maybe be for dogs to treat intractable cough. It seems like the only thing that helps the poor pups. I haven’t seen it prescribed for people in years, probably because of the scopolamine in it, which can cause some very nasty side effects.

    • H0mer0

      methadone interacts with lotsa stuff and can trigger cardiac arrest. But it keeps some of my patients out of pain. Same with hydrocodone, but it just added another layer of inconvenience when they changed it to a Schedule II. Oxycodone is still the favorite. Merkins as 4-5% of the world’s population consumes 80% of its opioids-I know it’s true cuz I googled it/sn

      • *All* opiates and opioids, in sufficient quantities can stop your breathing, which can trigger cardiac arrest.

        There is no “safe” opiod that can’t kill you, not sure if even opium is totally free of overdose deaths

        • H0mer0

          I’m aware of that as a physician. I was trying to esplain the association with methadone and arrhythmias, by itself or interacting with other medications metabolized by the liver, even at ‘therapeutic’ doses without getting into technical jargon that other wonkers may not be familiar with.

    • greenpatches

      There’s nothing wrong with either of those opioids specifically that isn’t a problem with the rest of them. And unfortunately, people do need pain meds…an equally dire part of the problem may just be our overworked, underpaid labor force.

  • Internet Hitler

    Did M’lania snap that pic with her own obamaphone? Is that the actual size of the giant hair pills Old Baldy takes?

  • Randy Riddle

    Ha! You think that was a drug briefing? _This_ was a drug briefing…

  • BrendaKay

    So, um, will Melania be digging out the JUST SAY NO! campaign that was so successful in the 80s that we all quit drugs and lived happily ever after?

    • John Thorstensen

      It would have at least been polite to make the slogan “Just say no thank you.”

      • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

        “If you don’t like it, you can’t have any”.

  • WhoCheckedRussia’sVoterID

    These people do not care about the opioid crisis. I really don’t think they care about governing period. All they seem to want to do is disengage as much of their tax money from the American economy as possible. That appears to be the sole end game. A better society doesn’t factor in anywhere.

  • Petunia Cat

    “Fire and fury and, quite frankly, power.”

    He started to turn into a Monty Python Spanish Inquisition skit. Too bad he didn’t go out and come in again. 😖

  • Weird Fishes

    Yay, America.

  • Why don’t you libtards ever think of the jerb creating small business corporations running for profit prisons, HUH??? If we dump money into treatment instead of prisons, sure, you might stem the tide, but you’ll kill a bunch of good paying jerbs! Ok, mediocre paying jerbs! But they have benefits! Ok, shitty sub par benefits, but still

  • Lulu’s Mom

    Instead can we just have Mr. Mackie say “Drugs are bayyad, don’t do druuuugs.”? His voice is so soothing.

  • Paul Dietzel

    So the other day C. Christie ( I think ) said that opioids claim 141 lives every day, or to put it into a number we can understand ” a 9/11 every three weeks.” Does this mean that a “9/11” is now like a new metric, the way that tumors are described by the fruit to which they most nearly conform size-wise and hail is compared to sports balls?

  • Ducksworthy

    I can’t watch him but was he sniffing the whole time? Of course, it could be due to a perforated septum. And of course, coke will do that to you.

  • greenpatches

    What really needs addressing is the influx of fentanyl analogues from chinese labs. I was into heroin before this whole thing really exploded, and it’s incredible how much more dangerous it’s become since. If this were simply an “opioid” problem in the general sense, or even actual heroin, we wouldn’t be seeing anywhere near this level of death and destruction. It’s a fentanyl crisis.

    Oh and this entire administration is so far out of their depth, it is actually tragic.

    • Deborah Ujevich

      Well, here’s a point I’ve made. Seriously, opioid use/abuse, not new. It’s the flavor of the month, the new meth. But the criminalization & lack of any plan to disincentivize & improve quality of life is NOT HELPING A GODDAMN THING. Russian addicts came up with krokodil in response to interdiction. Marginalized people will go to insane lengths to alter their consciousness. All the recovery programs STRESS that intoxicant use is the SYMPTOM of a larger problem, what’s being done to address the larger problem?

      • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

        Exactly. Are people self-medicating because their life is simply fucking *swell* and they thought, hey, you know what would make this EVEN BETTER, maybe if I risk *death* every day with a soul-crushing addiction! – ? Yyyeah, no. People who have no job, no money, no legit hope of getting either anytime in the foreseeable future, and the very legit sense that no one gives one solitary flying fuuuuudge about them – those are a lot of the people self-medicating. (The rest may have money and/or a job for now, but still no hope for the future).

  • BreakingDeadMen

    “No good, really bad for you in every way”
    I think he is testing a potential slogan for 2020 here.

  • Rickyphoo

    ” And Tom Price told some lies about Trump being “absolutely, fully engaged on a tragedy that is crossing the country,” ”

    Does Price know that the real “tragedy that is crossing the country” is his boss?

  • Deborah Ujevich

    I’ll leave aside my views on criminalization & just say this: exiled in WV, on parole because OF COURSE. Knowing something and not snitching is conspiracy here. Again, I’ll forgo my screed in this forum. But THIS STATE. I honestly got into a debate with the P.O. supervisor who tried to tell me that no, WV DOES NOT WANT TO JUST LOCK PEOPLE UP, IT’S THE DRUGS. My response was: it’s the horrific quality of life here. Not one person about whom I’ve heard, in ANY state or local government, gives a damn about doing a goddamned thing to disincentivize drug use or trade. HORRIBLE literacy levels, everyone just hanging around waiting for the soul-crushing coal industry to make its triumphant return. They LOVE their savior, Trump, and haaaaaaaate Obama, KILLER OF COAL!! Just awful.

  • OHHHHH. We’ll just tell the kids that drugs are no good, really bad for you. Why didn’t anyone think of that before?

    Maybe we should just tell the kids that voting Republican is no good…

    Really bad for you!

    Take a bite out of crime

  • bbayliss
  • AnnieGetYerFun

    Sigh. I feel bad for the people who actually thought that Trump was going to tackle this issue in any meaningful way.

    • marcus816

      I feel sad for stupid people too.

  • Bebecca

    I saw this on MSNBC last night and screamed at the tv-just say no Nancy Reagan. The dogs came to investigate, hubby shook his head.

  • Bebecca

    I’m surprised no one is promoting pray the drugs away. Maybe because it doesn’t rhyme like pray gay and away.

  • Jeff Mc Donald

    I believe we will have to get someone else to talk to our kids about the dangers of drugs. I mean, shit, on one listens to Trump. Maybe all it takes is getting Eric to stare blankly into the camera, and they might get the message?

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