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Really. What’s the big deal? Why aren’t we investigating Hillary?

Donald Trump Jr. freely acknowledged that he met with a Russian lawyer last year in hopes of getting some dirt on Hillary Clinton, but since he didn’t even get any news about how her Parkinsons led her to leak an email ordering the troops in Benghazi to stand down, he figures it’s no big deal. Reaction on the right was a bit predictable, for the most part. For instance, here’s Paul Joseph Watson from Alex Jones’s InfoWars:

Oh, but that’s just some crazy “alt-right” conspiracy loon on the interwebs! What about an actual Republican senator from Utah? Bet he won’t call it a nothingburger!

He has a point, you know. There was no Trump administration at all last June. Don’t you people even have a calendar? Donald Trump was not even inaugurated (with the largest crowd in history) until January 20 of this year, you know.

Mind you, not all Republicans were as indifferent to the news as Senator Orrin Hatch; Trey Gowdy, not exactly a lefty, went on the Fox News and said the whole thing was crazy-making:

Someone close to the president needs to get everyone connected with that campaign in a room and say, “From the time you saw Dr. Zhivago until the moment you drank vodka with a guy named Boris, you list every single one of those [contacts with Russia], and we’re gonna turn them over to the special counsel, because this drip-drip-drip is undermining credibility of the administration.

We didn’t think Gowdy had the cultural references in him! We didn’t think he had ANY cultural references in him! Wonkette is always glad to admit an error.

Politico helpfully noted that “the time you saw Dr. Zhivago” was Gowdy “referring to the 1965 movie,” though they didn’t include a link to IMDB. We therefore feel compelled to add the exasperated comment on Russian stereotypes by Sergei, the Ukrainian (not Russian) enforcer from season 2 of The Wire:

Some of the early coverage of Don Jr.’s email was missing a bit of context, as Media Matters pointed out. On Tuesday afternoon’s “Outnumbered,” Fox News tossed up a quote from the emails that made some very creative use of ellipses!

What did they leave out? Maybe something kind of important, like the bit where the emails mention Russia, its government, and that government’s desire to help Donald Trump, which is kind of the point of the story:

Catherine Herridge, Fox’s “chief intelligence correspondent,” didn’t mention that key detail in her report, either, and afterwards, host Sandra Smith said Baby Don was a pretty swell fellow for being so transparent and releasing those emails. Then Meghan McCain had to go and spoil the illusion by reading out the Russia stuff that Herridge had elided and saying that was “the biggest concern in these emails” and “I think that’s going to get them in the most trouble.” Credit to Meghan McCain for bringing a moment of reality to Fox, hooray.

And then there were the moments of surreality, like Conservative Intellectual and Convicted Felon Dinesh D’Souza’sthoughtful take on the emails:

You can actually hear him wisely stroking his chin, there. In fact, said D’Souza, maybe the New York Times wants to investigate Dinesh D’Souza, huh? Do they, HUH?

Conservative intellectual, folks. You know who else met with Russians? Franklin Delano Roosevelt!

Why isn’t the New York Times calling for an investigation of Franklin Roosevelt, huh? (There you go, Mr. D’Souza, feel free to use that gotcha if you need to — be sure to credit us.)

Roger Stone texted Axios with some suggestions of what Team Trump might consider doing in terms of damage control:

The president can turn the tables and dominate the dialogue by ordering the indictment of [James] Clapper, [John] Brennan, [Susan] Rice and [former president Barack] Obama for the wholesale unconstitutional surveillance of Americans… I would seriously arrest [and] perp walk every one of these criminals, making as big a show of it as possible.

You have to admit, if Trump were to arrest Barack Obama, that would definitely change the focus of the news cycle. We’re not entirely convinced it would really be a win for Trump, however happy it might make his most rabid followers. On the other hand, look! We’re talking about Roger Stone! Mission accomplished, Roger.

[wopnkbar][/wonkbar]Tuesday evening, Don Jr. went on Sean Hannity’s Scold-O-Rama, where Hannity told all the liberals and Destroy Trump Media people watching that they need to look at the REALLY scandalous examples of collusion by Democrats, like how Hillary Clinton invaded Ukraine, and the Deep State is colluding to destroy Donald Trump. Then Don Jr. explained that, “In retrospect, I probably would have done things a little differently,” which is arguably the first time any member of the Trump family has ever been known to reconsider their own actions.

He didn’t even think to notify the FBI that he’d had contact with someone he was told came from the Russian government, because things during the campaign were going “a million miles an hour” and also he really didn’t wanna, because maybe he was going to get some dirt on Hillary Clinton. The line about the Russian government wanting to help his daddy didn’t especially bother him, because really, he’s just that stupid, and doesn’t know nothin’ about conspirin’ with no Russians, and Hannity didn’t push him any further on it, because the real news is the media’s horrifying double standards.

Papa Don was very pleased with Baby Don’s performance, and also, remember, anonymous sources — like the ones saying Don Jr. had been told the Russian lawyer lady represented the Russian government? — are usually completely made up:

So let’s just call this one done, shall we? Obviously, Don Jr. has answered all the questions Sean Hannity could think of, and it’s time to get on with the serious business of America, like pointing out how ugly Mika Brzezinski’s bleeding facelift is.

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  • schmannity

    So much drip drip. Maybe Trump has finally lost his personal Vietnam against gonorrhea.

  • msanthropesmr
  • ltmcdies

    OK fine, GOP…since foreign isn’t a problem let’s throw the game open…I’m sure there are many in Canuckistan along with those “socialists” in Sweden, Denmark, France who think Trump’s climte change actions are shit could find ways to throw in with Dems even in 2018.

    Maybe China will get it’s involved by 2020.

    How fucking stupid are Republicans these days.

  • proudgrampa

    Gotta admit, for once Gowdy made me laugh.

    • Lascauxcaveman

      I’m just shocked he managed to come up with something both coherent and relevant to the issue. He must have gotten a new intern this summer, maybe an English major from an actual (non-bible) university this time.

  • jesterpunk
  • schmannity

    Russia is irrelevant. Congress needs to spend more time investigating Clinton Foundation foreign contributions.

    • kareemachan

      Oh, you mean the charitable foundation that actually USES ITS MONEY FOR ITS CHARITY? Unlike the drumpster?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Sekulow’s jet.

      • WotsAllThisThen

        A charity that does that much good MUST be hiding something!

  • msanthropesmr

    “I just asked the Russian Mob to whack Hillary, but they never did anything because I clearly wasn’t gonna pay them. That’s not illegal, right?” – DJTJ

  • Parakeetist

    Too early in the day to look at Dinesh D’Convicted Felon’s smarmy face. At this hour, I don’t have access to liquour.

  • lucidamente

    What does it take to be Fox’s “chief intelligence correspondent?”

    • Thorn Spike

      The sturdiest knee pads money can buy?

    • elviouslyqueer

      A micro-miniskirt that shows just enough flapadoodle when you cross your legs just so?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      The ability to dress yourself in the morning?

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    I’d like to ask Gowdy when this administration ever established any credibility.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • msanthropesmr
  • memzilla Ω

    … greatest Witch Hunt in history.

    COTTON MATHER LIBELZ!!1!!

  • Bill D. Burger
    • Villago Delenda Est

      Perhaps not nearly as rich as he imagines he is.

  • memzilla Ω

    And in other Drumpfian news:

    Jared Kushner, already under investigation for his cozy real estate dealings with Kremlin-connected Russian oligarchs, is also being investigated by Mueller to see if , in his capacity of being in charge of Twitler’s digital media, he also helped the Kremlin aim and target fake news stories using bots. “‘There appears to have been significant cooperation between Russia’s online propaganda machine and individuals in the United States who were knowledgeable about where to target the disinformation.’ — Mike Carpenter, former senior Pentagon official who specialized on Russia matters.”

    • armed_bears

      Wow. Another example of how Mueller is going to have soooo many issues to track… Trump’s Derp State was working this from every side.

    • AmazingProfessionalCrastinator

      Mueller needs to maybe look at Paul Ryan’s activities, too.

  • Mr. Blobfish
  • Crystalclear12

    Denial is busy this time of the year.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      And it’s gotten so commercial.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Overflowing its banks, it is.

  • schmannity

    Gowdy was going to go with Boris and Natasha, but an aide edited it to Dr. Zhivago.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Strelnikov!

    • Ill-Advised

      I was looking forward to the Heavy from Team Fortress 2, myself.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    No one has ever, to my knowledge, accused these buffoons of having the slightest sense of honor or decency. They’re all this guy:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7ab0ebe3e724a2f9e99afeea7cfc51e2c45012b659db0f304b28a9c1dc4164ca.jpg

  • Seamus Romney
  • bookish

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/07/why_donald_trump_jr_thinks_he_did_nothing_wrong.html

    What stood out most in the interview was the moral emptiness of the president’s son. He told his interviewer, Sean Hannity, that his decision to arrange the 2016 meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya, a lawyer with deep ties to the Russian regime, was a no-brainer because it might have yielded useful material against Clinton. “That’s what we do in business,” said Trump Jr. “If there’s information out there, you want it. And then you [decide] what you do with it.” Running for president, in the Trump family’s view, was like running a company: You do what serves your advantage.

  • elviouslyqueer

    Sit the entire fuck down, Dinesh D’ouchebag, before somebody drops a house on you.

    • msanthropesmr

      I bet his footwear ain’t worth having.

    • John Thorstensen

      Back in his Dartmouth Review days he was known as “Distort D’Newsa”.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        Hilarious, if true. Aw, hell. It’s hilarious even if it’s not true.

        • John Thorstensen

          In the words of the immortal Madeleine Kahn, “It’s twue! It’s twue!”

    • Villago Delenda Est

      16 ton weight, with votes. PLEASE!

      • Ill-Advised

        And Sousa. The Liberty Bell March.

  • memzilla Ω
    • Oblios_Cap

      You should have given him lessons, Paulie. You’re neck deep in this shit, too.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        There’s a reason the GOP doesn’t want to look at this. They’re all implicated.

  • memzilla Ω
    • Oblios_Cap

      Hey – Marlette made Jr. look like Rubio. Sad!

  • Oblios_Cap

    The president can turn the tables and dominate the dialogue by ordering the indictment of [James] Clapper, [John] Brennan, [Susan] Rice and [former president Barack] Obama for the wholesale unconstitutional surveillance of Americans… I would seriously arrest [and] perp walk every one of these criminals, making as big a show of it as possible.

    Now, that’s the kind of deep thinking I’ve always associated with Roger “I’ve got a tat of a horse’s ass on my back” Stone. That would certainly cow the unbelievers, wouldn’t it?

    • msanthropesmr

      I’m OK with that – as long a Shrub and Darkheart are on that perp-walk list as well.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      He’s borrowing from the Night of the Long Knives playbook.

    • Um, just shows that he hasn’t read things like… the Constitution, or any civics text. Last I looked, the President can’t order indictments.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Everything he proposes is extrajudicial.

        Hence my comment on the Night of the Long Knives.

    • John Thorstensen

      The President can order indictments? Is that in the Konstitooshun?

    • Yeah, the same way he dominated the dialogue after he fired Comey. And that was something a President is allowed to do.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    NOT that babyDon’s conduct wasn’t a big deal…

    and NOT that he (and Jared, and Manafort) shouldn’t have known better

    and finally NOT that he and the whole Trump campaign/administration shouldn’t get in trouble for it…

    But: I am still hoping for something even better on these bastards. Come On, Mueller! Yoouu can doo eet!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Mueller didn’t even KNOW about this shit. Now he does. Pass the popcorn.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      If there’s one thing the Trumps have shown talent for, it’s getting investigations to focus on them.

    • Les Appentis De la résistance

      Putin’s DNA on Donny’s chin?

  • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

    If you even had Russian dressing on your lettuce wedge…,

    • Oblios_Cap

      Once you’ve had Russian, you’ll always be blushin’.

      • laughingnome

        Yeah but I heard they Finnish too fast.

    • laughingnome

      Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

    • Joe Beese

      If you passed a balalaika in a music store window!

      • laughingnome

        If you listened to the White Album

        • Villago Delenda Est

          No kidding, the John Birch Society was OUTRAGED at “Back in the U.S.S.R.” They didn’t grok the joke.

          • amrak63

            Political extremists of any flavor tend not to grok jokes readily. While the correlation is not absolute, extremism and lack of a well-developed sense of humor tend to go together.

  • Nockular cavity

    You know who else met with Russians?

    NOT TRUE WONKETTE! Stalin was a Georgian. Your argument is invalid!

    • Joe Beese

      FAKE NEWS!

  • Best reply to the “nothingburger” was a tweet saying it was amazing at how fat and juicy a nothingburger is turning out to be.

    • Scooby

      With a side of Freedom Fries.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      It’s piled high like a Dagwood sandwich.

  • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

    Get ready to toss your lunch! Massive call for a “blessing” on Trump in the Oval Office.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c6dafdc13ae6f8f3182b1ba33a49f88947ae1f01cf4eb866f4e0b1bb63f9d7df.jpg

    • Joe Beese

      I would not touch Donald Trump for even 100 Ameros.

      • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

        The White House ran out of a weeks worth of hand sanitizer after that pic was taken.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        Not with an open hand anyway

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Does this include a pimp slap?

          • BreakingDeadMen

            I must now reconsider

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Huuurrgh…

    • laughingnome

      This is something you see in a theocracy.

    • PubOption

      Does his head rotate and spray green bile?

    • bookish

      I remember that ridiculous display. Hard to know who’s conning who.

    • MynameisBlarney

      And that dumb fuck don’t even believe in Jebus.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        It’s the annual Blessing of the Hypocrites. A time-honored tradition.

    • Oblios_Cap

      “Don’t touch the hair!”

      I see Dense looking all sanctimonious and prick-like over there.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      That Saudi orb looks better without the bad rug.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        The rug that did not bring the room together?

    • CountryClubJihadi

      If only this was on the edge of a cliff.

    • elviouslyqueer

      The power of Christ COMPELS YOU.

    • Bobathonic

      See? I told you: he does have a hump.

      • Wendell Wilson

        “What hump?”

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Mammon akbar!

    • The Librarian

      Wtf?! That’s very creepy. Also, better wash yer hands after, 🤢.

      • Bobathonic

        No joke, pee isn’t as sterile as legend holds.

        • Ill-Advised

          But…but…Dr. House said it was OK!

    • Oblios_Cap

      I thought the Bible banned men wearing blue nail polish.

    • Nockular cavity

      Whores. Sycophants. Pharisees.

      No “Christian” Trump supporter can say a single word to me about morality, after the way they prostrated themselves before this mobbed-up white-power pretender.

    • On the plus side, the notorious germophobe probably hated every second of that.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Ooh, look! A buncha white men grabbing a pussy.

  • La forza del resistino

    Note to Trey Gowdy: avoid the ‘drip, drip, drip’ euphemism when talking about Donald for now.

  • Me not sure

    Donnie not being an official in the campaign or administration is probably clear of legal problems unless he lied to the FBI at any time about the meeting. Manafort however, was already acting as an unregistered foreign agent, and Kushner failed to mention the meeting on his security clearance application which warrents a Federal felony perjury charge. They may be in jeopardy.

    • The Librarian

      I’ll take Prison Bound for $1000, Alex

      • Me not sure

        Ding,ding,ding! DAILY DOUBLE!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Is there ANYONE in the Donald Abortionofanadministration that isn’t in trouble for failure to report something on their SF86? Let’s narrow down this thing.

      • From Russia with Love

        Exactly. He’s already lied in a place where lying can get you 5 years in Leavenworth. Right there in the signature block on his SF86.

  • Scooby

    As everyone with a brain knows all illegal collusion only can take place on a tarmac

    • msanthropesmr

      Also too – parking garage – or italian “restaurant”

      • Scooby

        Louis Resturant in the Bronx?

        • Oblios_Cap

          Take your food to Sicily when you get done ordering.

          • WotsAllThisThen

            Especially the cannoli. It’s delish!

          • Nockular cavity

            “Ivan, please! Leave the gun. Take the blini.”

        • laughingnome

          The best veal in the city.

      • John Thorstensen

        S. J. Perelman mentioned a restaurant named “Spurio’s”.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        That pizza joint with the magic basement in DC?

      • Bobathonic

        I hear “Podesta’s” has a risotto that’s to die for!

  • Master Contrail Program

    A dramatic reenactment of the last time America’s great orange hope had a meeting with the Russians. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6324dd9fb9f6e7e37b43e7b3ad933a606b7bfa2ac2cbbd67b9025e5920e25dbc.jpg

    • Bobathonic

      Now is ze time on Sprockets vhen ve dance!

      https://youtu.be/QoeLqtetizo

    • Joe Beese

      When “Mean Gene” Okerlund was Secretary of State.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Papa Don and Baby Don? Touché, Dok.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    Dr Zhivago was a British film. Try Solaris.

  • OneYieldRegular

    Later this summer: right wingers react to Donald Trump’s accidental bombing of South Korea with nuclear weapons:

    “Trump knew that would get rid of North Korea’s very reason for existing, display AMERICA MADE GREAT AGAIN’s military might, and prevent the South Koreans from having to go through the terrible pain and suffering of a long and drawn out ground war.”

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    What did they leave out? Maybe something kind of important, like the bit where the emails mention Russia, its government, and that government’s desire to help Donald Trump

    Oh, FOX, don’t ever change…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ebd71f6f6cb64bcb90f47b713ff135bde4a9d65c6845000555c0f9ba0a57009.jpg

  • Michael Smith

    Yeah, no revelation from traditional media will lessen Trump’s support unless the spell of Trumpism is broken to some degree.

    Trumpism’s central belief is that America is on the verge of being destroyed by socialist liberals – traitorous Americans who have stabbed us in the back because they want to reduce the U.S. to an international slave state, subject to the whims of a shadowy, foreign Illuminati. According to Trumpism, these liberals have infested every aspect of our state and society, as evidenced by Barrack Obama’s election and the media’s complete support for all things liberal. Thus, all sources of traditional American authority are illegitimate.

    In order to restore America’s corrupted institutions, Trumpism calls for a strong leader who can combat these liberals without being subject to oversight from the government or the media, because both of those institutions have been compromised. Thus, for a good Trumpist, nothing from the New York Times or from a special prosecutor, or from pretty much anywhere, is trustworthy. The only thing you can trust is Trump himself.

    • laughingnome

      So what you’re saying is Trumpism is fascism?

      • Michael Smith

        Yes lol. But describing it using a different word seems less loaded.

        • laughingnome

          I agree with your analysis. You must be educated, therefor, suspect.

          • Oblios_Cap

            To the forest, with the rest of the intelligentsia…

          • Villago Delenda Est

            I’ll bet he’s near sighted. Sure sign right there.

      • TJ Barke

        No no no, it’s just really appealing to fascists.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Good lord man, you seem to understand that too well. {eyes narrow}. Come with me, citizen.

    • Trumpists are like 30% or so of the population.
      Pretty sure the rest of us can take em

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      That’s maybe 20% of Americans, although that number is still scary high. There were people who voted for Trump for other reasons, some of them really stupid. I think it would take a catastrophe for the majority of Americans to fall for an authoritarian like Trump. American resistance to central government/taxation also equals American resistance to authoritarianism.

    • SadDemInTex

      No….Trumpism is white supremacy racism, pure and simple. They are United in their hatred of the fact a black man was our President for 8 years. It shocked them so much that they colluded with an enemy state to get this disaster human organism elected to the Presidency. And I thought Cruz would be the worst.

    • Jackie Jones

      Daddy thing.

    • commatoes

      What is with this current GOP love of Fascism?

      • What do you mean, “current”?

      • arensb

        I suspect it’s because a lot of people feel comforted by having a strong leader, one who projects strength, certainty, order, and a sense that there’s a system, and that you have a place in it; you just need to ask what to do.

    • Carole

      And the subreddits, which have already debunked the Don Jr. email. My, that was quick!

    • arensb

      By “Trumpism”, I assume you mean the beliefs of Trump supporters, rather than Donald Trump’s beliefs. Because I’m pretty sure his only belief is “me”.

      • Michael Smith

        Oh indeed. I think he has cultivated these things a bit as talking points because he likes to do material that works, but not because he believes in the content.

        • arensb

          I like that phrase, “material that works”. I think it’s quite accurate.

  • Ryan Denniston

    “The president can turn the tables and dominate the dialogue by ordering
    the indictment of [James] Clapper, [John] Brennan, [Susan] Rice and
    [former president Barack] Obama for the wholesale unconstitutional
    surveillance of Americans… I would seriously arrest [and] perp walk
    every one of these criminals, making as big a show of it as possible.”

    They were not surveilling Americans. They were surveilling Russians. Who happened to be (apparently) colluding with criming Americans. Also too, Bush gave us the Patriot Act, but thanks for playing.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      You can always go to Roger Stone for a really good idea.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        He’s cribbing from the master, who blew his own brains out in April of ’45.

    • I just want the FBI tape on that fucker to leak.
      You know they have one. And it is something like him whining about how no one thinks he is important.

  • 3FingerPete

    Some people are saying when you hear the words “sources say” from the Fake Media, often times those sources are made up and do not exist.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      My sources confirm this.

      • 3FingerPete

        I need at least one other person to say that for it to become “some people”.

        • suziq

          I can confirm that I heard that also too, so it must be true!

          • WotsAllThisThen

            Breaking news! Now I can report that I’m reading it on the Internet.

          • Villago Delenda Est

            I read about it on the Internet!

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      Many people. The best people. The smartest people.

  • Anna Rompage

    You know what else causes things to drip, drip drip….

    • shastakoala

      Worn out right wing nuts?

    • msanthropesmr

      Snorting Cocaine?

    • Belasaurius

      chlamydia?

    • faulty faucet washer?

    • Ryan Denniston

      Whoever invented Drano, god bless his/her soul.

    • Suttree

      Drug resistant gonorrhea?

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Coffee makers?

    • Augustus

      A brief and gentle summer shower followed by a rainbow and cool breezes, and sipping beverages on the back porch?

    • msanthropesmr

      Chock full of WIng Nuts?

      • Suttree

        That is scary close to my name for an ex-girlfriend.

    • Joe Beese

      Urinary incontinence?

    • Belasaurius

      grandma’s funeral?

    • Me not sure

      BTW it looks like Gowdy has tried yet another hairstyle. His head still looks like the business end of a no.2 pencil.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Studio 54?

    • MynameisBlarney

      Olestra?

      Oh…no wait…that caused something else entirely.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      Pauly Walnuts prostate?

    • Fartknocker

      The sweat from Jared’s brow who is trying to figure out how to make his next balloon loan payment on 666 5th Avenue?
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/nyregion/kushner-companies-666-fifth-avenue.html?mcubz=0

    • Querolous

      Mr.Coffee?

  • Joe Beese

    Notorious libtard Charles Krauthammer:

    “If you get a call to go to a certain place in the middle of the night to pick up stolen goods and it turns out the stolen goods don’t show up, but the cops show up, I think you’re going to have a very weak story saying, ‘Well, I got swindled here,’” he said. “Look this is incompetence, they got swindled.”

    • msanthropesmr

      Stopped Clock.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        This crap is so obvious that even blockheads like Krauthammer can’t deny it.

    • Ryan Denniston

      An analogy befitting a Trump!

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      Cue parrotheads screeching “not real conservatives! Deep State!”

      I mean, they had their hippie wannabe bullshit with the tea party, now they want to recycle the “don’t trust anyone over 30 thing”.

    • OddMan

      Krauthammer’s reaction is a headline on Fox News Twitter feed.

      Someone once said to go after Trump you will have to have FOX.

      https://twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/884917890121682950

      • commatoes

        I missed the Krauthammer that wasn’t just a cheerleader for the GOP. Maybe he and George Will have been talking.

        • arensb

          I miss the old, old days, when Bob Dole would debate Teddy Kennedy on WTOP, and would even be right, on occasion.

  • bookish

    Here’s the link to the story that Kushner is being investigated for possibly helping Russian social media operations.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-jared-kushner-russia-hacking-20170712-story.html

    • WotsAllThisThen

      He’s a social media wiz, as evidenced by his use of phrases such as, “Let’s just blow up the whole concept of digital.”

    • efoveks

      That bit about feeding the Russians info on which voters to target was especially interesting (and frightening). Thx for the post. :)

  • TJ Barke

    Ah yes, the idiotic defense that you not stopping me from committing a crime makes you guilty.

    • msanthropesmr

      “Stop hitting yourself.”

      • laughingnome

        Stop me hitting myself!

    • therblig

      see “The Curse of Frankenstein” (1957, Hammer) in which after the monster goes on a murderous rampage, Victor tell his friend Paul “this is your fault for not stopping me”.

    • commatoes

      Fittingly related to Ivanka’s definition of “complicit”.

  • Me not sure

    No, Dinesh, you are a convicted felon. You have an honesty problem.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      If you look up “honorless cur” in the dictionary, there are pictures of Donald, the Ivana spawn, and Dinesh there.

      • Me not sure

        Oddly the same pictures are found under “disingenuous imbicile”.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Also, too, “moran” and “a idiot”.

  • Bill D. Burger

    WooooWeeee! Howz bout that exhausting…er, exhaustive interview by insHannity last night. Trump Buttboy said he would ask every single question there was to ask about the Russian meeting.

    https://twitter.com/williamlegate/status/884964717076205569

    • The Librarian

      He did, but it was all covered in high fructose corn syrup.

    • Bill D. Burger
    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      I’m going to go WAAAAAAAAAAAAY out on a limb here and say that Robert Mueller may be able to think of at least one, maybe two more questions for Donnie Dipshit, Juneyoor

    • 3FingerPete

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAvq12Sa3VE

      Bonus: Two prime ministers of England swapping mustard talk.

    • Miss Dill

      Did he ask him about mustard? No? Then he didn’t cover everything.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    I would gladly list all my contact with Russians, but I didn’t always catch their names. I’m not actually sure they even were Russians, to be honest – it’s just that it was hotter if I pretended they were.

    • laughingnome

      Accents are a turn on for sure.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      The trench coats, dark glasses, and funny looking little bombs are a dead giveaway. Also if they refer to each other as “Boris” and Natasha, and complain about Moose and Squirrel.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    I don’t have anywhere near the experience in government that Roger Stone has, so I have to ask out of curiosity, can the President order indictments and arrests, and order that the arrests be as public as possible?

    • laughingnome

      They’re working on it.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Only if Congress has passed an Enabling Act basically taking them out of business.

      • laughingnome

        It might take an event like a fire at the Reichstag, I mean Congress.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      The President can do anything because he won the election you silly snowflake.

  • Bub, the truculent Zombie

    The frisson of joy I feel at watching these goddamned reptiles trying to spin or deny this disaster is rather enjoyable.

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      LOAD THE SQUIRREL CANNONS! THE SIX POUND NEON ONES, MEN! MOVE MOVE MOVE

  • Antonin Dvorak

    Part of me kind of wishes that the NYT would respond to D’ouchebag by saying, “Yes you are. That Yuri you talked to is a known Russian spy who is an expert in turning assets into double agents. We have forwarded your message to the FBI.”

  • Ezio
    • True Story:
      James Woods is so forgettable to me that I regularly confuse him for any one of a half dozen other actors.

      • ariel_gee_398

        I always briefly confuse him with Geoffrey Rush, then notice the quality of acting and realize it can’t be Rush.

        • Antonin Dvorak

          It helps that one of those gentlemen is Aussie, also too.

        • Lance Thrustwell

          Agreed. Woods is not the worst actor in the world – he’s competent – but he is simply not in Geoffrey Rush’s class.

      • WotsAllThisThen

        I dunno I thought The Onion Fields was good, and Salvador, or any movie where he plays a selfish asshole.

    • Belasaurius

      color me …not fucking surprised

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Did he ever stop being one?

    • commatoes

      Wood’s problem is that he knows he has a high IQ but thinks that means every random thought is a sparkling insight.

  • Bub, the truculent Zombie
    • Getting an email from….purposefully setting up a sekret meeting with the intention of soliciting foreign aide during an election, tomayto, tomahto

    • msanthropesmr

      I dunno? Were you working on the campaign at the time and did this person offer to influence the election illeaglely?

      • commatoes

        Didn’t you get the memo?

        GOP hypocrisy is not only encouraged but required.

    • Ezio

      Is Yuri not a Japanese name? Not Russian?

    • Bill D. Burger

      Poor Dinesh D’LOSER! You have a criminality problem, Snookums. And no one but pinhead Repukes and Rightie scum listen to you.

    • SydneyP

      This is an immigration issue also and famous rightwing moralist Dinesh D’Souza will be sent back to India where he belongs. After his student visa expired he some how got a naturalized citizen under sketchy circumstances.

    • commatoes

      Guilty and convicted of breaking campaign finance law.

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      Of course not, Dinesh!

      Nobody is about to hire a convicted felon to work on their campaigns!

  • fawkedifiknow

    Hillary Clinton disqualified herself for the POTUS when she congratulated Donald Trump Sr at one of the debates on how good a job he had done raising his children. At the time, I thought, “On what basis do you say that? They seem like perfect little shits to me.”

    Guess I was right.

    • laughingnome

      Usually one member of such a family rebels and turns out to be a decent person. Not with the Trumps. The evil is very ingrained.

      • Kerlyssa

        hey now, there’s still time for barron

        • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

          And Tiffany.

          • WotsAllThisThen

            I find myself liking and respecting her more and more these days.

        • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

          Everyone is hoping! But he is made of his father’s best goo, raised in his father’s house, under his father’s bigly rules.

          Imma withhold judgment, but I’m also gonna place this little chip right here on the “I told y’all so, genes don’t change” spot.

    • Joe Beese

      She had been challenged to say one positive thing about her opponent. Her choices were, shall we say, limited.

    • DainBramage

      I think she was caught off guard by that question and had to quickly come up with something. Can’t just say, “There’s nothing good about that bag of slime.”

      • Bobathonic

        Well, you can, but it wouldn’t be prednisential.

        • MynameisBlarney

          Unprednesential?

    • TJ Barke

      I wouldn’t have been able to think of a fucking thing… He is fucking terrible in every way.

      • AJ Milne

        ‘I’m… erm… impressed by the commendable thrift implied by the use of Scotch tape for a tie pin. That’s… Remarkable. Also, who does your hair?’

        — Me thinking on my feet/also why I’m not in politics

    • WotsAllThisThen

      She was asked to say something nice. I would have gone with his reality TV show, which capitalized on his asshole personality to make a lot of money.

    • Doug Langley

      I was dazzled she could think of anything.

    • arglebargle

      She should have complimented his tiny hand manicure.

  • Joe Beese

    Josh Marshall is killing it.

    This is all a hall of mirrors. It’s impossible to tell with any real reliability who is doing what to whom. What’s clear is that this is a notional ‘team’ which appears to be in some key ways as afraid of each other as they are of the prosecutors on their trail. That clearly is not a good recipe for any kind of concerted action that could limit legal exposure. At the end of the day though these folks are in trouble because, almost certainly, they have various kinds of misconduct to hide. So all the musical chairs and mutual knifing probably won’t over time prevent their wrongdoing from being revealed.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-vipers-and-the-derp

  • Bub, the truculent Zombie
    • TJ Barke

      He really is.

      • MynameisBlarney

        He’s damn sure giving Golmert a run for his money.

        • TJ Barke

          He’s a guy that thinks animal blood sport (dog and cock fighting) are no big deal.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          I think Bachmann quit because she knew she could never beat them at that game.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Look cornpone, I understand you don’t want to do your job but this isn’t gonna help.

    • Joe Beese

      Rep. Steve King (R-IA) appeared on CNN Wednesday morning to issue an ultimatum: Congress would be “forced” to start investigating Hillary Clinton’s emails again if Democrats didn’t stop talking about the Trump campaign’s alleged collusion with the Russian government.

      This is my intimidated look.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Estevan Rey is, in his own charming way, as clueless as Uday.

    • cmd resistor

      I had the misfortune of seeing him live doing this. Actually Alisyn Camerota did a decent job of not letting him get away with so much blathering by asking actual follow up questions. He outdid himself in his own stupid, though, and that’s pretty hard to do.

  • Scooby

    With all this I am worried about my friends in Seoul.

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Lance Thrustwell

    Donald Trump, Jr., with his questionable parentage, and his demeanor while being questioned, is the very embodiment of the term “shifty-eyed bastard.”

    • laughingnome

      Future GOP nominee for President.

  • Occam’s 8 ball

    Is this what an ‘unwitting agent of an enemy state’ look like?

  • MynameisBlarney
  • bookish

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/the-campaign-comes-back-to-haunt-trump/533397/

    Donald Trump’s campaign for president seemed to vacillate between, to borrow Hunter S. Thompson’s dichotomy, being too weird to live and too rare to die. All the smartest analysts were convinced that it was definitely too weird to live. Stocked with amateurs, retreads, and minor-league washouts suddenly promoted for a cup of coffee, and overseen by a candidate with a penchant for enormous gaffes. The Trump team was widely viewed as on the verge of collapse. The joke was on the wise analysts: The candidacy turned out to be too rare to die, and now Trump is president.

    But with a few months’ extra perspective, and after several days of damaging revelations, it’s becoming clear that although Trump’s chaotic approach to the campaign did not prevent him from winning the White House, and may actually have provided him with a crucial edge, it is hobbling his presidency. The undisciplined, untutored atmosphere is on display in the meeting that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort had with a woman they believed to be a Russian government lawyer offering opposition research on behalf of the Kremlin, and there may be more damaging revelations to come.

    • laineypc

      “The candidacy turned out to be too rare to die, and now Trump is president.”
      Also too, the candidacy turned out to be helped by Russia.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      Hurry up. I’m running out of Xanax.

  • Ezio

    Donald Trump Jr. is the real Fredo Corleone.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Please. Fredo was Einstein compared to Uday.

  • DainBramage

    Ugh! Any crazy conspiracy theory will do.
    https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/885165278224465920

    • elviouslyqueer

      Bitch Set Me Up defense? Check and check.

      • efoveks

        The emails were Hillary’s, I swear!

    • WotsAllThisThen

      So an international cabal of one world deep state?

      • laughingnome

        Yes they are so powerful they lost the election to a complete fucking idiot.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Yes, let’s continue to piss on the intelligence community. That’s worked out, right?

      • Bobathonic

        It’s going to pay out bigly, any moment now.

      • CindyinEncinitas

        They love that!

    • Bananas Foster

      That excuse still doesn’t resolve him of culpability.

      • laughingnome

        Say culpability to a Trump voter and they hear cuppa Billy tea.

      • rosenbomb

        It’s like cops pretending to buy drugs to sting someone. Imagine the dealer saying, “but it doesn’t count since you set me up, right?”

        • Bananas Foster

          “But if I ask if she’s a cop, she has to tell me, right?”

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          Or the guy who buys a kilo of baking powder because the other guy said it was cocaine.

    • ariel_gee_398

      They seem confused – the “believability” of a lie doesn’t mean the liar believes it at the time the lie is spoken.

    • Bill D. Burger

      Crazee’ Rightie Loons are working overtime to make Junior the victim and Hillary/Obama somehow responsible.

      Drooling Trumpanzees await their ‘real news.’

    • laughingnome

      Maybe they’re thinking of the Culinary Institute of America (CIA).

      • BreakingDeadMen

        They can certainly eat shit.

      • efoveks

        My brother graduated from there. Do I need to worry?

        • BreakingDeadMen

          Take the cannoli, leave the smoking gun

        • Cliff Hendroval

          So did Mrs. H.

        • Paul

          Only about your waistline.

    • Joe Beese

      DEEP STATE!

      • jesterpunk

        I think you mean DERP STATE.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Those are Bannon’s guys. The Derp State.

          • jesterpunk

            Isnt that who we are talking about? The ones trying to claim that Jr is a moran?

          • Villago Delenda Est

            Yeah, just a poorly worded attempt to reinforce your point.

    • TJ Barke

      Because of course…

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      Even if it was true, They might want to call some of the guys featured on To Catch A Predator. Oh wait…

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Worth pointing out that this is the sort of accusation that could get her killed in her home country.

      • jesterpunk

        When has burning a source or getting someone killed in a foreign country stopped them? They did give Russia intel from Mossad before.

      • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

        I’m sure there are some that would consider this to be a bonus.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Call Alex Jones! Actually, hell, he’s prob’ly two steps ahead of ya: Veselnitskaya was working for Hillary, who got the CIA to dupe the Russians, who then turned around and enlisted the help of the lizard people to drop chemtrails on the FBI, who then covered up the evidence of the Russia/Hillary connection, in order to plant a false flag that the Illuminati did it, which was subsequently covered up and…

      Sorry, what was I saying again?

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        Yeah, Alex was already out there saying that Donnie Jr. was trying to play Spy Smasher and catch him some Rooskies. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e808f4a7bf6717098067a997c82f6d9ae933bd2d01170cefe4b84eb41b3a4c4.jpg

        • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

          History rhyming: It’s by “Whiz Comics,” and with a properly added adolescent scribble, his posture easily depicts peeing on the Capitol building.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Need to toss in Martian slave colonies and talking man-pig hybrids. You know, like Alex Jones.

        • Oblios_Cap

          Man-Bear-Pig is the obvious culprit.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            Man-Bear-Pig with a boner.

      • Gay frogs 🐸

    • Royal Ugly Dude

      They should totally run that up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes it.

    • laineypc

      Sure, why not? Evidence, please!

      • commatoes

        They’ll have to get Kobach to investigate the CIA, when his “voter fraud” investigation is finished.

        • WotsAllThisThen

          First he needs the name, address, voting history, and social security number of every CIA agent, so he can store it on an unsecured server.

          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            It’s a secure server! Sergey said so!

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Just to put this crap into perspective:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesMBlow/status/884943181850300416

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Not yet.

      • Bobathonic

        So far, that’s holding up.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          It’s fair to say that you don’t get summary execution for treason, but I think the net is closing in.

          • commatoes

            Texas, I think, has set the precedent by executing a mentally challenged man. Trump and Sons can no longer use that as a defense.

          • BreakingDeadMen

            Shamefully, Bill Clinton did that in 1992 as the Governor of Arkansas. He even flew back from campaigning for President to be seen presiding over it. Ricky Ray Rector.

    • schmannity

      *sends bag of Skittles to Jr.*

      • Augustus

        Don’t forget the hooded sweatshirt! It’s what “thugs” wear.

        • Debravhorton

          Google is paying 97$ per hour! Work for few hours and have longer with friends & family! !pd169d:
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  • Ezio

    Back in the day people thought it was cool for celebrities to reply to your tweets, but who knew when twitter was created that the President’s son would be live tweeting treason?

    • TJ Barke

      The internet’s a strange place.

    • commatoes

      He inherited it from his father’s side.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      “I was retweeted by Donald Trump! Shit, maybe I am a racist?”

  • Bub, the truculent Zombie

    Can we safely conclude that Donnie Jr. probably doesn’t have much chance of being elected Governor of New York now?

    • laughingnome

      No chance even before this.

    • Ezio

      What did New York do to deserve that?

    • Antonin Dvorak

      Not if Schneiderman and Bharara have anything to do with it.

    • Indiepalin

      What about sweet lil Barron?

      • laughingnome

        He may turn out to be the rebel in the family that writes the book about all the bastards.

        • ImGoingBacon

          To the FSM on high, please make this happen!

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Maybe Jersey. If Christie can make it there, anyone can make it there.

    • canes_pugnaces

      Donnie’s chances of winning an upstate congress job are high. Anything else: negative. No chance.

    • susan_g

      Oklahoma and Kansas have republican governors who will not be on the ballot in 2018. Either would be great opportunities for Donnie Jr. as their current governors are complete idiots.

      • eastcoastlib

        I know he’s one of ours Coumo is fast approaching Chris Christie territory when it comes to incompetence and swarmy-ness.

      • commatoes

        But Brownback was going to unleash the superior GOP economic prowess and the manna would fall from the heavens.

        That didn’t happen?

  • Doug Langley

    I’m so old, I remember when Republicans would grab someone who just said something mildly tolerant towards Russians and drag them before the House Un-American Activities Committee.

    • proudgrampa

      I know, right?

      “Are you now, or have you evah bin a membah of the Communist Pahty?”

      • Persistent Tennessee Rain

        Better dead than Red

      • Doug Langley

        Remember when Desi Arnaz defended his wife? “The only thing red about Lucy is her hair, and even that’s fake!”

    • 3FingerPete

      Radio grandpa Michael Savage has been screaming at Trump to reestablish HUAC for some good old fashioned show trials of liberals.

    • commatoes

      They called O naive for trying to improve relations and are now defending a POTUS that chafes his lips on Putey’s ass.

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

    Why is “witch hunt” capitalized?

    • Scrofula

      Because it’s “the greatest Witch Hunt,” obv. Why that’s not “The Great Witch Hunt,” I don’t know.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Because the author is a dolt.

      • commatoes

        My new favorite nick name for Trump is Dolt 45.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          hahaha

    • Gorillionaire

      Because random capitalization is required for wingnut social media posts.

      • MizzMazz

        And it sounds like a TV show.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      It’s for Trump’s supporters who can’t read, but know if it’s capitalized it must be bad.

    • natoslug

      Because Witch is Mike’s little sister?

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Joe Beese
  • BigCSouthside

    Why does the Republican Party get to be the party of “patriotism” again?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Defend Mother Russia!

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        Die for Russia!

    • laughingnome

      No clue. This has baffled me since I was knee high to a grasshopper.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Big trucks and country music?

    • GreenGoldSharpie

      Because words are empty and rubes don’t hold them accountable.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Well, it’s obviously because only willfully ignorant hateful and spiteful morons that consistently vote against their own best interests can be true patriots.

    • laughingnome

      Maybe the rubes confuse patriotism with patriarchy.

    • II Gosala

      I could easily be wrong, but I think it dates to the 60s. Hippies, anti-war protesters, civil rights and women’s lib activists were tarred as UnAmerican because they threatened the settled way of things.

      It may also too have roots in the Red Scare.

    • commatoes

      It is easy to be “patriotic” when one has never read the Constitution nor the Amendments. When patriotism is simply having the stars and stripes (or confederate flag ironically) on every item of clothing. Basically, patriotism devoid of substance or ideology but as a fashion statement, in the sense of aesthetic and ephemera.

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      Because cuntry music sells that to them, Sean Hannity and all of FOX News sells that to them, their churches sell that to them.

      “Who’s a great patriot? Who? Who’s sooo smart? YOU ARE! GOOD BOY!!” *Pats head*

  • bookish

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/11/15947412/trump-lies-russia

    In another reality, any one of these about-faces would have resulted in the firing of a communications staffer. They would have required a moment of reckoning from the administration in which it acknowledged the reversal, and made it clear that the implication of the first statement — that Trump cared about working to tackle election fraud and was looking to Putin to do it; that Donald Trump Jr. had been victimized by the media over an innocent adoption-policy meeting — was false.

    This would happen in an administration that cared about truth or accuracy. But it would also happen in an administration that cared about its own narrative — that wanted to hammer home a particular set of facts, “alternative” or otherwise.

    This administration simply does not. It flip-flops with as much abandon as it lies.

    It’s shameless. But it hasn’t hurt them yet. And it’s not clear that it will. The only people who have been hurt so far by the Trump administration’s cavalier nihilism are the ones who believed them enough to get played for fools.

    • Wild Cat

      “The only people who have been hurt so far by the Trump administration’s cavalier nihilism are the ones who believed them enough to get played for fools.”

      Silly punditry. Throw it all out. They know nothing. They’re just paid to yammer.

      Plenty of people who didn’t vote for the dogfucker and his thugs are being hurt too.

  • MynameisBlarney
  • GreenGoldSharpie

    Hey, look at all those traitorous fuck bags traitoring because they hate liberals more than traitoring.

  • Joe Beese

    If someone told you that the Russian government was trying to elect your dad and has dirt on his opponent available, you would obviously never mention it, up to and including the point where your now-President father is firing the FBI director because of an investigation of the non-existent connection between the campaign and Russia.

    It would just never come up. Why would you even mention it?

    http://www.metafilter.com/168157/Theres-a-good-chance-I-may-have-committed-some-lighttreason#7091502

    • AmazingProfessionalCrastinator

      It got mentioned by Kushner on his updated and amended SF-86, so Baby Don was involuntarily outed. Sad.

  • ResistanceFictionista blondeiq

    Let’s all lay low at Varykino for awhile until this whole business dies down. Worked last time. Oh, wait.

  • Bub, the truculent Zombie

    What will Donnie do next? Perhaps something like this:

    “At the stroke of midnight in Washington, a drooling red-eyed beast with the legs of a man and a head of a giant hyena crawls out of its bedroom window in the South Wing of the White House and leaps fifty feet down to the lawn…pauses briefly to strangle the Chow watchdog, then races off into the darkness…towards the Watergate, snarling with lust, loping through the alleys behind Pennsylvania Avenue, and trying desperately to remember which one of those fore hundred identical balconies is the one outside of Martha Mitchell’s apartment….Ah…Nightmares, nightmares. But I was only kidding. The President of the United States would never act that weird. At least not during football season.”

    ― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72

    Of course it isn’t football season yet. Folks in D.C. might want to make sure their doors and windows are securely locked.

    • eyelashviper

      LOL, thank you.
      No one can take the place of H.S. Thompson, and he is missed!

  • Joe Beese

    To me, this makes obstruction of justice charges against Trump much more realistic. It’s true, as I’ve said before, that there need be no underlying crime for obstruction to occur. But the defense being raised was that Trump didn’t know what he was doing and that’s just the way Trump talks and he had no reason to actually want to obstruct justice. This torpedos that defense; Trump knew that the Russia investigation would likely uncover all kinds of dirt like this. So he fired Comey.

    http://www.metafilter.com/168157/Theres-a-good-chance-I-may-have-committed-some-lighttreason#7091558

  • bookish

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/schiff-trump-jr-meeting-raises-real-issues-on-conspiracy-to-violate-election-laws/?google_editors_picks=true

    Rep. Adam Schiff of California says a conspiracy to violate U.S. election laws has now become a “very real issue” for the House Intelligence Committee to consider in the fallout over Donald Trump Jr.’s release of emails arranging a meeting with a Russian attorney in a bid to find damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      You gotta love the understatement. The mark of a legislator I can get behind. Circumspect, measured, steady, an actual grownup. I remember those.

  • Run2Live

    Multiple choice responses vary between one, two, three or all of the above.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00156b15ba7af0efab594b0c636b93c481d43449056f4d800557ae4f67d642bb.jpg

    • TundraGrifter

      I like the one where the fourth monkey is covering his nutz.

  • MynameisBlarney

    https://pics.onsizzle.com/why-do-donald-trumps-sons-look-like-every-bully-from-5799842.png

    I dunno…
    They kinda look like they’d be the ones getting their asses kicked daily.

    Especially Dermp Jr.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Dumb and Dumber.

      • LesBontemps

        You give them too much credit. More like Dumber and Dumberer.

    • MizzMazz

      More like 80’s.

      • commatoes

        Like villains from a John Hughes movie.

        • MizzMazz

          I know this is a day old, but damn, John Hughes movies did not age well. all the rage back in the day, but looking at them now, there is so much wrong going on there. I’m still bent that the weird chick in Breakfast Club had to get a makeover to be accepted.

    • OrdinaryJoe
  • Bub, the truculent Zombie

    There WILL be perp walks Stone, you fucking drooling imbecile, you can be goddamn sure of that. But none of these people will be the ones taking them.

    The president can turn the tables and dominate the dialogue by ordering the indictment of [James] Clapper, [John] Brennan, [Susan] Rice and [former president Barack] Obama for the wholesale unconstitutional surveillance of Americans… I would seriously arrest [and] perp walk every one of these criminals, making as big a show of it as possible.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      With some luck, Stone will be in the parade. He’s human sewage.

  • NotALiar

    I hate these fuckers with the fire of a billion suns. I cant even be clever or snarky anymore.

    • commatoes

      Satire – def’n: the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and
      criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of
      contemporary politics and other topical issues.

      As right wingers seem to be incapable of comedy or satire, it is effective and cathartic. Remember Stewart, Colbert, Noah, Oliver, Maher, etc.

      Lastly, I give you the words Trump, Putin, and cock-holster.

  • Ray in VT
  • PigsDoFly
  • LesBontemps

    Credit to Meghan McCain for bringing a moment of reality to Fox, hooray.

    Bring back Megs McCabe as Official Wonket Girlfriend!!!!11!!!!!1!!!11

    • TundraGrifter

      Meghan McCanns.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Dirty pillows!

        • TundraGrifter

          The airbags have inflated.

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        FOX knows how to load the squirrel cannons. Let the important part come from the distracting sparkly “disco balls.”

    • commatoes

      One member of the GOP that has not drank the koolaid.

      I like her regardless of the fact that we disagree on a lot of things. She is willing to tell the GOP shit-for-brains (like Yoho) and the Machiavellian opportunists (Ted Cruz) that they are being shit-for-brains and Machiavellian opportunists.

    • doktorzoom

      Let’s not get all carried away, OK?

  • Randy Riddle
  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Remember, when you hear the words “some people are saying” from the fake president, often times every single time it is made up and he he is lying out his orange ass…

  • Bub, the truculent Zombie
    • WotsAllThisThen

      Anything that happened before he joined the campaign had nothing to do with him. He simply looked at how the campaign was run and decided he wanted to be part of it.

      Besides, I’m sure nothing nefarious will come out later about anything that happened after he joined, right?

  • TundraGrifter

    Fox’s “chief intelligence correspondent”

    Now, for the sports news, we have the world’s tallest jockey.

    • commatoes

      oxy-MORON?

      • TundraGrifter

        That would be Boss “I wasn’t wrong, I was misinformed” BlunderRush.

  • Dutchman

    I’ll just leave this here because why not…

    https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/status/885174307097391105

    • WotsAllThisThen

      DO NOT TOUCH!!!!

  • Dutchman
    • commatoes

      I am so very sorry but the administration of Dolt 45, or the POTUS (Pussygrabber Of The United States). and the image above brings this to mind.

  • BMW

    Is this what happens when you spend 8 years pushing fake scandals? You become completely oblivious to real ones?

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Never forget: it’s always projection

  • commatoes

    So donny-two-scoops, McCarthy’s list of Communists and the HUAC don’t count as political witch hunts.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    “The Wall Street Journal laughs off the episode as a case where “some Russians took advantage of a political naif named Trump in an unsuccessful bid to undermine the Magnitsky law they hated.”

    The Journal mocks the possibility “[t]hat Don Jr. was canny enough to coordinate a global plot to rig the election but not canny enough to notice that this plot was detailed in his personal emails.” At every stage, the Journal and other Trump apologists have leaned heavily on the uncertainty of the facts not yet revealed, while disregarding the importance of every previous defense that has been disproven. Now faced with evidence more damning than anybody could have imagined — a promise of Russian interference on Trump’s behalf, in writing! — the Journal is treating the clarity of the evidence as more reason to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. But maybe, just maybe, there’s a reason for all these lies.”

    Political naif? Didn’t all these people run on how brilliant and savvy they were?

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/conservatives-confident-trump-no-longer-lying-about-russia.html

    • khanurik

      Exactly how long is the excuse “we’re just dumb folks up in here” going to work for the Trumpochins??

      • Komsumverweigerer Ron

        Probably forever, since it’s true.

  • cmd resistor

    So yesterday while waiting for a colonoscopy, appropriately, old Dinesh appeared on the TV in the waiting room. Thankfully, there were 2 TV’s and the sound was on the one that was NOT showing FOX.

    • The Flaming Carrot

      What is it with these doctors who have 5 TVs, all playing Fox? I switched ophthalmologists for that very reason (well, actually because he was a quack). My gastro wouldn’t dare.

      • cmd resistor

        It was very odd. Two big TV’s, right next to each other. At least they didn’t try to have them both with sound. I suppose, on the bright side, that just seeing Dinesh would have resolved any lingering “prep” issues.

  • anon_the_great

    Fox’s “chief intelligence correspondent.”

    That’s about as oxymoronic as one can get.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    Breaking! This is the legal team behind Trump, Jr.’s new strategy, the firm of Ricardo and Merz:
    http://ghk.h-cdn.co/assets/15/49/980×490/gallery-1448992390-lucille-ball-vivian-vance-index.jpg

    • The Flaming Carrot

      And do they ever have some ‘splaining to do.

  • Panika MCD

    dear Dinesh,

    no, you did not violate the law because not even Paul Manafort is dumb enough to turn to you for help on a campaign. had you been running a campaign or a PAC and received an in-kind donation of opposition research from a foreign national, then you would have been violating the law. but you weren’t. don’t worry your pretty little head–this is not the next thing you will go to jail for.

  • Relativicus

    In this country right now we have millions of people reinforcing the reinforcements on their beliefs that Russia interfering in our elections, and colluding with an American campaign, is just so many sour grapes. This is a thing that is happening in this country right now.

    I’ve asked before: We know tragedy turns into farce eventually. What does farce turn into?

    • Komsumverweigerer Ron

      History?

  • mary5920

    Rich people can be dumb.

    • bbayliss

      And dangerous because they have the means to act on their stupidity.

      • Cogswell – in a mirror darkly

        Stupidity kills but not fast enough.

  • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

    If there were any truth in FOX media at all, if it really was “all the questions that Sean Hannity could think of,” they’d be sitting there in silence for about 10 minutes and then he’d ask him “hey, do you know … do farts have lumps?”

    • commatoes

      Hannity is considered by his viewers as one of the intellectual/ethical leaders of the GOP.

      Not meant as a joke but a sad statement of fact.

      • Nasty Girl Brianna

        Well, they ain’t lying.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    As for the Rethuglomaniacs, eight years of bad karma is a bitch.

  • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

    It’s almost becoming like every zombie videogame meme, where noises like car alarms attract zombies. FOX just sets off the “HILLARY CRIME” alarm and all these gurgling shambling filthy brain-suckers come pouring out of the ruined nowhere’s to feed.

  • The Flaming Carrot

    Boy Howdy made a funny. The rest of these McCrazyPantses need to fuck right off.

  • Odd Jørgensen

    “I don`t think this is relevant to the Trump administration…” From one “Hatch”.
    Sure, it just included the son of the presidunce, his campaign manager and son in law, who just happens to be in charge of just about everything in the admin. No biggie.

    • Amy!

      Being solicited to receive information that was supposed to change the outcome of the election from a person described as the representative of a hostile foreign power.

      Yeah, nothing to see there.

  • khanurik

    A “moment of reality” on Fox News??? Say it ain’t so…

    • Komsumverweigerer Ron

      They got over it quickly, and have promised to be more vigilant in future.

  • mardam422

    Don Jr.: Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell ya, I have to plead ignorance on this thing because, if anyone had anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon….

  • Lyly Sirivong

    I’ve only known the nothingburger expression for 3 days and a half and I’m already sick of it.

    • cmd resistor

      Indeed.

    • commatoes

      An example of ingenious wordsmanship by the WH communications department.

    • Nasty Girl Brianna

      It’s totes lamesauce, to be sure.

    • JustDon’tSaySortMyBalls

      We were using the term in this here comments since Benghazi. (You probably didn’t notice because comments are not allowed). Yet another term coined in Leftyland hijacked by The Idiots.

  • Cock Blockula

    Was it here that I read that Donnie Jr is the Deep Throat of the Trump administration?

    More like Derp Throat.

  • Laffing Crow

    Few things.
    Do all the Rep/Con types think that the president has the power to order an indictment? If so, they should have been giving Obama a lot of credit for not putting their sorry asses away.

    Also, Rhona Graff seriously needs to be deposed. I remember reading a politico article months ago about how she was still acting as an intermediary (from trump tower) for all of t’s “friends” to be able to get in touch with him without having to deal with the White House. Of course, she documents it all, to comply with Fed. record keeping laws (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). Still.

    And, am I the only one offended by one of the densest Mofo’s on the planet being continually referred to as “transparent”?

    • Komsumverweigerer Ron

      He’s ‘transparent’ in the sense that we can see right through him.

  • BreakingDeadMen
    • SisterArtemis

      Any Michaels have presumably backed slowly and quietly out of the room.

  • (((Jgmurphy)))

    Transparent, my ass. The only reason he released the emails was because the Times informed him that they already had them. He wanted to get ahead of the story.

    • Liquid Tomato

      He lied until the truth was about to come out. Apparently that counts as integrity to Republicans these days.

      • Vi Puhstushin

        Not sorry they do it; sorry they get caught.

    • Kooolest G

      no he just wanted the twitter views instead of the “failing NY Times” getting the clicks

  • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

    “I would seriously arrest [and] perp walk every one of these criminals, making as big a show of it as possible.”

    Cause the trial, eventual not guilty verdicts, and guarantteed losses to malicious prosecution and defamation suit just makes good economic sense.

    Pfft.

  • JParkerSD46

    You say nothing-burger, I say shit-sandwich.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      You can’t print that!

      • Petunia Cat

        But you can emoji it: 🍞 💩 🍞

        😁

  • SisterArtemis
    • SadDemInTex

      Exactly what I thought

  • NastyBossetti

    Wait, are indictments handed down by presidential decree now? Is that how it works? I must have been asleep that day in US Government class.

    • Nasty Girl Brianna

      I remember it clearly. It was under the “What fascist dictatorships do to their enemies and OMG aren’t you glad you live in the Land of the Free, Home of the Brave because we would NEVER do that to OUR enemies and First Amendment rah rah rah USA! USA! USA!” unit. It was like yesterday.

  • John Frum

    It’s SO delicious that it’s all coming apart because of James Comey and emails.

    • Courser_Resistance

      There is a certain perversity to it.

      • John Frum

        What’s perverse is the intensity of my schadenfreudegasm. Awww! Emails are no big thing, are they? Go fuck yourself, Paul Joseph Watson.

    • Lily412

      Oh my god…I had never thought of pretzels + nutella before. Tryin’ to lose weight sucks. .__.

      • John Frum

        Pretzels and Nutella are a little cloud you can float away on.

  • John Frum

    Almost certainly we can expect the next line of bullshit to be that Little Donny and Captain Awesome were some kind of double agents pulling a Chris Hansen on the Hillarymonster.

  • whitroth

    One leetle bitty question: who’s Rhona… and since Goldstone is saying “I can send it to your father through her”, doesn’t that suggest he has Rhona’s email and/or phone, and has DONE SO BEFORE?

    And the Wrongs seem to be missing something – did they skip *all* of their social studies classes in America? The President still doesn’t get to order indictments….

    Social Studies grades: F

    • Kooolest G

      rhona was trump’s secretary for years, until reince preibus took the thankless job

      • whitroth

        Oh, I see, so she was the one keeping Trump, Inc from going down in flames.

        Need to subpoena her, and her emails… BUT HER EMAILS!!!

  • BreakingDeadMen

    Not to beat the Fredo thing into the ground but a Corleone-Trump Chart:

    Jr. thinks he is Sonny–he is Fredo.
    Eric possibly gets that he is Fredo.
    Trump thinks Ivanka is Michael–she is Fredo.
    Jared thinks he is Tom Hagen–he is Fredo.
    Donald thinks he is Vito–he is Fredo.

    It’s Fredos all the way down.

    • norcalOG

      Jared’s just happy he’s not Carlo being sent to Vegas to look out for the family’s interests.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        Give it time

    • Petunia Cat

      And Dan Coats looks like Abe Vigoda (Fish on Barney Miller). Especially when he, Coats, is failing to answer questions in a Senate hearing.

  • The-Timbuktutu

    Always use “convicted felon Dinesh D’Souza.”

  • Ωbjectifier

    No Roger, it is not in the president’s power to ‘order an indictment’ you pinheaded fop.

  • Flashman

    “In retrospect, I probably would have done things a little differently,”…

    This is the Trump equivalent of setting yourself on fire, or opening up your stomach.

  • motmelere

    Convicted felon Dinesh D’ouchebag wants to act like it would ridiculous to even think he would ratfuck an election. Self awareness is not really his bag, is it?

  • Flashman

    The “nothingburger” is made of crow meat.

    • C4TWOMAN

      I thought it was made of road kill?

  • shivaskeeper

    Attention RWNJs. It is possible to have contact with Russians and not have any problems, even Russian officials.

    For instance I worked with the Russian Army in 99-00 for 9 months providing secure comms back into the US/NATO network for mission planning in Kosovo.

    I was there under orders but even then I had to list it on my SF-86 for periodic reviews. I still maintained a TS clearance for the rest of my career.

    You want to know why? I didn’t lie about it. I was not compromised, and I didn’t sell out my country. You fucking sons of bitches.

  • Trump can steam all he want about unnamed sources, but if the journalist reporting has a perfect track record then it’s trustworthy. I mean, police use confidential informants all the time and you LOVE cops right Donald?

    • Jared James

      Police officers using unnamed sources will become the Most Dishonest People Ever the day after he is walked into a federal holding cell and they forget to confiscate his phone.

  • Empress of the Iguana People

    Greatest witch hunt, unlike the actual witch hunt against Joan of Arc

  • MAZS

    Do you have a Russia problem, Dinesh? Probably, but then again, it gets lost among the myriad of other problems you have to cope with. Kinda like finding out you have bunions when you are already undergoing chemo.

  • Zyxomma

    I’m glad I don’t have a Russia Problem.

  • BJW

    I may have to rethink my complete contempt for Trey Gowdy. All the other GOPers and crazies can go PFFFFFBT themselves. As in: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7c3e311356db7268886ad3ebf98f312f3cb3f7f3bc6276f04ccbbd7010516b6e.jpg

  • If “transparency” is such a good thing, Mr. President, can we see your tax returns?

    • Jerry Noneofyourbizz

      Bingo!

  • Delu

    We can see just how good Trumpian scum are at setting up strawmen and red herrings from “Obama da real criminal!” to “now it’s illegal to talk to Russians?” (no it’s not you dipshit! It’s illegal when they come to you promising dirt on the opposition election campaign and you reply “I love it if true” and tell them to ideally have the information “later in the summer” when it would make the most impact on your opponent! See Dinesh, THIS is why you are the criminal convict and not Hillary!).

    Fallacies love them almost as much as they love fallacies.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    What I got out of this article is that the only thing on Dinesh D’Souza that’s getting stroked these days is his chin.

    That make me happy.

  • FlownΩver

    “…when you hear the words ‘sources say,’… often times those sources are made up and do not exist.”

    Kinda like the words “many people are saying,” eh, Donnie Two Scoops?

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  • what, me worry?

    What’s fun about this piece is that our Good Doktor mocks Roger Stone, who is eminently mockable, for something a lot of people, especially on the left, think is a valid point.

    As if wholesale warrantless surveillance and extrajudicial remote-control assassinations of Americans are cool innovations, and not something we should be concerned about.

    It’s almost like Zoom can’t separate the message from the messenger.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      oh shut up.

      • what, me worry?

        You like killing Americans by drone without any due process. Got it.

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          of course not – and neither does Dok…you’re insulting someone many ties smarter than you and falsely claiming he (and me!) believes something he doesn’t..

          The article mentions nothing about fucking drones, much less the american(s) killed by them. That’s pure fucking fiction (a lie) on your part.

          No lefty or obama admin official believes in “wholesale warrantless wiretapping”. Show your source on this.

          That’s why you should shut the fuck up.

          • what, me worry?

            You know what’s fun? Watching someone demand citations as if to prove none exist, without even bothering to see if any of it is true, by googling something simple. Like, say, “Obama warrantless surveillance”. And then claim to be many times smarter than people who actually pay attention, even when Democrats are in the White House.

            Here you go sunshine:

            http://time.com/3909293/edward-snowden-obama-nsa-spying/

            Please note, that splashed across main stream media periodicals were the words “NSA documents reveal Obama Administration expanded warrant less wiretapping program”

            Here, wait. I’ll write your next fact free scathing retort for you… Time Magazine?? That Leftist rag? They can’t be trusted! Find a source I will accept as valid! Such as, any source that refuses to report bad things about Democrats!

          • Richard Jokes

            You shoukd stop. You’re not very good at this and you clearly don’t know the terrain.

          • Jesse

            The article is about the NSA keeping track of peoples’ googling. Try again.

            Or give up because you’re losing the debate badly.

          • what, me worry?

            Gee, a website full of Clinton trolls all agree with each other. Color me shocked.

          • Delu

            And Trumpian troll who came here to cause trouble without knowing what rights actually are resorts to Trumpian only line of defense, ad hominem.

          • what, me worry?

            Rights, by the definition you provide, are meaningless, to be granted or taken away by whatever next authority comes along. And you’ll just sit there and take it, I guess.

          • Delu

            Actually that’s exactly what they are by their very definition, rights were defined by man and they can be redefined by man.

            As to whether they SHOULD be or not (and which should be or not), that’s a totally different discussion.

            And it’s something you’re not even at, you’re still stuck at “rights are these inviolable things because I think they should be”.

          • what, me worry?

            By accepting that they can be redefined, you are already accepting whatever redefinition those in power ascribe to your rights.

            You either have a right to speak out against a ruling power, for instance, or its just tolerated by the ruling power, but your speech is only free as long as their tolerance exists. In your telling, it isn’t a right you possess. It is the good grace and forebearance of your government that allows you to say mean things about the government on the intertubez.

            That’s just fucking damaged. Because it isn’t a present provided you by your betters. It is your right. And if the government violates that right, which they do more often than any of us admit, they’ve committed an offense against you. The reason it is an offense is because the right is yours. It isn’t provided by them.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            your right to free speech is curbed all the time – it’s not absolute…dummy.

          • what, me worry?

            When is the last time you ever heard of the US government imprisoning someone for speech? It happens in many countries. In Burma. In Morocco. In India and Pakistan. But when does the US government imprison people for speech?

            Consequences aren’t a violation of your rights. If someone goes on the radio and says a bunch of racist shit, people are free to use their speech to convince sponsors to abandon that voice, and as a consequence, that person might lose his job and his livelihood. That’s not a curb on free speech. It’s an exercise of it.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            well, your argument makes no sense. “consequences aren’t a violation?” well then clearly, you didn’t have a right…and it directly contradicts the rest of your comment. Frankly, this is the logical conclusion of your bizarre opinions: nonsense, where nothing means anything any more.

            as to your first “point”: there is a nice lady who’s going to be retried soon for laughing at jeff sessions during his confirmation. Also, people are imprisoned ALL THE TIME for making threats, causing disturbances, protesting where no protesting is allowed (lack of permits, etc), inciting mob violence and one could make the argument that conspiracy is a violation of your right. On the civil side, people are sued all the time for defamation.

          • what, me worry?

            But “Trumpian troll” isn’t ad hominem, amirite?

            ok, you’ve proven it’s not dishonesty. You just have a shocking lack of self awareness. Good luck with that. I’m sure it will totally win the next election. I think you should especially continue to alienate progressives. That did nothing but great things for your completely powerless, irrelevant Party.

          • Alienate progressives? Like….you?
            I am totally fine if we alienate you. Can you wear antenna? How about a silver jump suit? I’d also ask you to remember to beep beep but since you do nothing but that, it would be unnecessary to even ask.

          • Jesse

            So you’re admitting you’re wrong? Good, admitting you have a problem is the first step.

          • what, me worry?

            That Clintonites agree with each other on a website that caters to Cllintonites does not equate to an actual progressive being wrong about constitutional rights, because, while everything is negotiable to the Clintons, some things aren’t to people who have principles.

          • Delu

            Trumpian Troll says words like Trump said about thousands of Muslims cheering in streets of New Jersey on 9/1 when the planes hit.

            Same amount of fucks given.

          • what, me worry?

            See, that right there is why less and less people take Democrats seriously. “Anyone who disagrees with me is a Trump troll or on Putin’s payroll” suggests there is no room at all to disagree with you from the left. And that’s either overt dishonesty or a shocking lack of self awareness.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            an yet, you did the exact SAME thing by ending your comments by calling us all clintonistas who think and speak in lockstep cause we disagree with you.

            Psst, just a tip – your shit stinks just like everyone elses.

          • Jesse

            The NSA watching google searches does nothing to prove you right about drone strikes, warrantless wiretapping, and inalienable planetary rights. Blaming Clinton is a desperate attempt to change the subject, because you know you’re losing.

            Incidentally, you have yet to explain how North Koreans have the same rights as you and me because they were born on this planet.

          • what, me worry?

            I didn’t blame Clinton. I blamed Obama. You need to read the whole thread.

          • Jesse

            You need to read what you just wrote. The ad hominem attack you used for distraction was aimed at the Clintons and their supporters. Your failed dodge is at issue here.

          • what, me worry?

            Obama wasn’t running again. Clinton was. As Obama 3.0. And if we’re looking for Obama 3.0, it pays, in my view, to have an unvarnished look at the man’s legacy. And he did some good things. And some very bad things. And the people here get very, very upset when those failings are pointed out.

            Because to every middle aged soccer mom who voted for Clinton, Obama could do no wrong. And how dare I suggest otherwise?

            This place is like group therapy for people who don’t like reality.

          • Jesse

            Reality is you don’t know what you’re talking about. Saying Bush, Obama, Clinton, and Trump are all the same is what stupid, uninformed people say. Thinking there’s no difference in their foreign policies is what got you in over your head. Give up while you’re behind.

          • what, me worry?

            Find where I have ever said that all those people are the same, win a pony. No where have I ever said that.

            What I did say was that in the area of national security, Obama took many of Bush’s worst policies and made then even worse. He also corrected a lot of them. He stopped the torture. That was good. He could have also tried and convicted the people who authorized it, but it seems like you aren’t allowed to hold people accountable for their crimes at some level. He stopped sending random brown people to Gitmo. That’s good too.

            But he also expanded the surveillance state and decided to be judge, jury and executioner when killing people for supposed crimes that have never seen due process.

            It does no good to pretend your tribe never does anything wrong.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            no what you SAID, originally, was “wholesale warrantless wiretapping.”

            Moving the goal posts there skippy.

            And, ONCE AGAIN, noone here pretends our “tribe” does no wrong.

            If you’re going to be doing so much sweeping, why don’t you do my porch?

          • Jesse

            You said Clinton was Obama 3.0 and Obama was no better than Bush. Your natural growth path is to extend that to ‘they’re all the same!’ Its what ignorant people do when they don’t have anything.

            For everyone else: I know this is looking like a waste of time, but I really think this monkey has some Shakespeare in him yet!

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            ah, the ad hominem. Tried and true technique skippy.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            such a mendacious schmuck.

            i ask for support of your claim that the obama admin was all for “wholesale warrantless wiretapping”.

            You provide an article, that assuming it says what you say it says, just says they expanded a program.

            THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

        • Juan de Fuca

          I kinda do. I’ll admit it. If you’re an American who’s joined a foreign terrorist group killing innocent people and just happen to be located in the same exact place as that terrorist group because you belong to the terrorist group killing people – zero sleeps lost.

        • Jesse

          I am absolutely sure you believe that’s what TXDST said.

          You’re wrong, but at least you’re wrong with conviction!

        • JMP

          Well you like killing Russian dissidants by all sorts of different methods without any due process.

    • Lily412

      Except that the surveillance was not authorized by Obama. IIRC, he didn’t even know about it.

      • what, me worry?

        Yeah, sadly, that’s not true. The Bush Surveillance State that was created under the previous President was in fact enhanced under Obama. And the drone killing with no due process you can’t blame on anyone else, because he had to specifically order each one.

        Look, Roger Stone is a crank and a ridiculous character, and the only reason he’s bringing this stuff up is to smear Obama and take some of the heat off his boy Trump. And we hafve to take care of tody’s immediate problem as a priority. No one disagrees with that.

        But, as a matter of history, in this narrow case, he is making a valid point.

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          oh yeah, and i’m pretty sure the concept of due process, as enshrined in the constitution, only involves individuals in the united states. (although there are some other debts on the legalities of drone attacks).

          • what, me worry?

            “i’m pretty sure the concept of due process, as enshrined in the constitution, only involves individuals in the united states”

            It is odd how otherwise responsible people will distort the rules in their favor – always in their favor, when defending their tribe.

            No, cupcake. The rights enshrined in the Constitution merely recognize natural rights. They don’t grant them to people as an award for being a citizen, or living within our borders. They are right everyone has, and the document limits the US government from infringing on them, no matter who you are.

            If you are within the authority if the US federal government (and when the US drops bombs on you, they are exercising their authority over you, no matter where that happens), you are protected by the rights recognized by the Constitution. And when the government violates those rights, anywhere, they’ve violated their own charter.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            first off, thanks for the condescendign languge. Really helps make your point.

            And sadly, if you would speak precise language, we wouldn’t be here. You’re confusing legal rights and morality (aka, natural rights).

            And the last part just makes no sense.

            Also, too, you’ve managed to ignore my point the article and dok made NO mention of the morality/legality of drone strikes – it was a just a thing you pulled out of your ass and projected.

            Thanks for playing!

          • what, me worry?

            You. Complaining of condescension. Is hilarious.

            I give you permission to stop replying, because the quicker you do, the quicker you can stop embarrassing yourself. See, rights can’t be separated into “legal” and natural rights. Rights are rights by the fact of being a person, alive on this planet. “Legal rights” sound like the kind of bullshit invention someone contrives when they can’t admit they don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about. If your “rights” are granted to you by a law… They. Are. Not. Rights. They are legal privileges, and they can be taken away.

            I have a right to be free of unwarranted searches and seizures by the government. Bush created a regime to violate that right. Obama had the opportunity to stop that crime, and he made it worse. Read the link i gave you.

            As for illegal drone strikes, they are ANOTHER EXAMPLE of Obama’s lawlessness when it came to the balance between national security and individual rights. I have the right to due process, to answer charges brought by the state. I have a right to legal council in my defense. I am free of retribution from the government before i have an oppotunity to confront my accuser.

            Obama personally ordered drone strikes on American citizens because they were on a list of accused terrorists. Accused. Not convicted.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            ROFl…embarrassing myself. Look at this…legal and natural rights aren’t different. Great! Tell that to the court system.

            “legal rights” is not a bullshit invention by someone who doesn’t know what htey’re talking about – it’s a thing! People study in school! Like me!

            Legal privileges are legal rights under your definition.

            The rest is more purity pony bullshit AND YOU STILL HAVEN”T ADMITTED YOU LIED ABOUT DRONE STRIKES EVEN BEING A PART THIS OR DOK ENDORSING THEM.

            You have just absolutely no sense of praticality. it’s not a utopia, there is a reality and a world and all your philosphizing doesn’t help accomplish dick.

            Let me ask you this snowflake pony? What would you do? There are terrorists planning strikes in parts of the world right now. What would you do? Send an army? Send a drone?

            See the world is not as wonderfully clear cut as you seem to think.
            Join us here in reality, it’s nice.

            As i said in my first post, just shut the fuck up.

          • what, me worry?

            Ok, I give up. You’re an idiot.

            Show me a “legal right” that isn’t a natural right. Whatever you come up with isn’t a right. It is a legal privilege that can be taken away at any time by changing the law.

            A right is unique because it can’t be taken away. That’s why your parsing is just stupid.

            Not sure where you’re going with your “24” type hypothetical, but I can tell you what a real constitutionalist would do. Obey the constitution. The constitution isn’t an optional document, to follow just in times of safety. It is the contract the government agreed to with the governed.

            You’re like an atheist that starts praying as soon as anything bad happens. You either have your principles, or your a frightened lemming, ready to give up your freedoms at the first sign of trouble.

            Well, now that Obama expanded the surveillance state, Daddy Trump has it. Still happy about it?

          • Delu

            There is no “natural right” what exactly is a “natural right” to you and what exactly does it entail?

            Since all rights are defined by man, and indeed, what is a right and what is not a right is actually disputed between, and even WITHIN countries (hey, it’s the Trumpians who are claiming both healthcare and voting is not a right), what ecactly is this “natural right” you speak of?

            Indeed what right is absolutely a “natural right” and what makes it a “natural right”. Oh and in case you are wondering the law is there to ENFORCE those rights, without them, there are no rights, just a bunch of pretty words, so yeah.

            A right is unique because it can’t be taken away? Bullshit. Show me one of those unique rights, I’ll show you how, just like it was accorded by man, it can also be taken away by man given the right circumstances.

          • what, me worry?

            So, man created rights and man created laws to protect rights that aren’t really rights because.. And your snake just ate its own tail.

            So, in your dystopian society, can the government decide to jail you for no reason? Wait. We already do that. Ok, can the government execute people without proving any crime? Wait. We do that too.

            The difference is that, in your world, people shrug and say that’s just the new normal. In my world it’s wrong.

          • Delu

            So, man created rights and man created laws to protect rights that aren’t really rights because.. And your snake just ate its own tail.

            You got it right until the part when you said they “aren’t rights”.

            You’re the only one who’s said that rights aren’t rights and THAT there is a true tautological Ouroboros.

            What I ACTUALLY said, but which you didn’t get, is that rights are defined by man, and laws are also created by man to enforce those rights, so actually without man there would be no such thing as rights!

            What exactly about that is tautological and how have you disputed it in any way?

            So, in your dystopian society, can the government decide to jail you for no reason?

            Have you actually seen that there are governments that CAN, oh wait you also admitted it in the same line.

            So what’s your point here? In an ideal world this is an impossibility? Yeah well join the club. We all have it in some cloud castle up there somewhere.

            The difference is that, in your world, people shrug and say that’s just the new normal. In my world it’s wrong.

            The difference is in my world (called reality) people actually understand what rights ACTUALLY are, unlike you, that they are not exactly the idealistic things we wish them to be.

            And that putting words into other people’s mouth is not logic or argumentation.

          • what, me worry?

            So, in a world with no creator, and I’m not here to get into a theistic debate about what the framers believed, rights were agreed to by man. Why do you think that’s just a profound statement?

            Of course the people who control the force of arms control the ability to make or break laws. But if you think rights aren’t above that – if you think you just roll with whatever privileges the authority in power throw your way, then the failure is in your ability to understand my point.

            If man created and agreed to rights, and we agreed that those rights are inviolate, another authority that comes in to change those agreements are also just men. Who says those men are right?

            If we are a society that believes in rights, those rights apply to everyone. Not just because you’re white, or American, or male. Everyone. And a society that accepts, and even applauds the violation of those rights because some individuals may frighten us, is a society that accepts the concept that these aren’t rights. They are privileges for being American and compliant.

            And to come to this place, where everyone pats themselves on the back for how noble and progressive they are, and watch the lot of you cheerleader the government turning our inviolate rights into privileges for the compliant, I have to wonder how far to the authoritarian Right the Democrats have wandered.

          • shivaskeeper

            No one is saying government taking away rights is a good or proper thing, That would be you setting up your strawman argument.

            Your argument that somehow the rights enshrined in our Constitution somehow apply to the rest of the world is absolutely wrong. By and large, they don’t even apply to you outside our borders. If you don’t believe me, go break the laws of another country and see how well you fare trying to use our Constitution to defend yourself. Our rights do extend to non citizens in our country though.

            Please name any of the inviolate rights enshrined that you think we have? Every right is limited in some way. Every right enumerated can, currently, be taken away almost at will, It may be shocking to find out, but the government can take away all your rights at will bar one.

            But what do I know, I’m just a Clintonista or something.

          • what, me worry?

            “Your argument that somehow the rights enshrined in our Constitution somehow apply to the rest of the world is absolutely wrong”

            Ok, so your argument is that it’s ok for the US government to violate due process and privacy and the right to speak freely, or the right to practice ones own religion, or to a free press, as long as the people being violated are Iraqis and not Americans?

            Do you people say this shit in your head before you type it out? Seriously. It’s the stupidest argument I’ve heard in a long time.

            It doesn’t matter who you are or where you come from. When the government violates your rights, they are committing a crime. The fact that you’re ok with them violating other people as long as you’re ok, for now, is your burden to deal with.

          • shivaskeeper

            How does our right to free speech. or freedom of religion, or a free press apply to an Iraqi citizen in Iraq? You keep bringing up how the rights granted by our laws apply to sovereign citizens of another country by you fail to explain how that works. Other sovereign nations have their own sets of granted rights and the laws to enshrine and, yes, control those rights. Sometimes they align closely with ours, sometimes not so much.

            You have also failed to explain how the rights granted to you by our laws apply to you in another sovereign nation with it;s own laws.

            You also failed to name one right that is as per your claim that inviolate. That word means they are safe from injury or violation and can also mean they are sacred. Name one of the enumerated rights that cannot be violated or curtailed (that would be the injury part). Just one will do.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            good lord, he’s a moron. I thought about making fun of him, but he’s too dumb to notice

          • what, me worry?

            “How does our right to free speech. or freedom of religion, or a free press apply to an Iraqi citizen in Iraq? ”

            When the US government is the entity that violates those rights, it applies a great deal, because the constitution doesn’t grant those rights, it recognizes that the rights exist. It is a government limiting document. And when the US government violates those rights anywhere, they are violating those rights for everyone.

            Think of it this way, if they are rights, they can’t be subject to where you live, or what your nationality is. If your rights are subject to your citizenship, it isn’t a right. It is a privilege granted you by whatever authority deigns to provide.

            But true authority to rule is derived from a mandate from the masses. Based on your definition, the only right we have is derived from force. If I can take it, it’s mine.

            And you guys are the Democrats. Gee, I wonder why no one wants you in power.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            sigh – okay, I’ve spotted your problem.
            the word rights has multiple definitions depending on FUCKING CONTEXT.

            (also, “mandate from the masses” – heh, unintentional Monty Python and the Holy Grail quote?)

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/28d1c56d3faa9bb75ac796a02911fa8e9f9a3aae88dfe9305836649aed56db20.png

          • shivaskeeper

            You failed to answer the question.

            How do our rights as defined by our laws apply to anyone who is a sovereign citizen in their own sovereign country that may not even have those rights enumerated? This not a hard question but you seem to be dancing around it. If you want to say rights are God given, go ahead and say that and try to argue your point from that angle.

            You also failed to answer the other two questions. The third one I asked about which rights are inviolate is the more important one BTW.

            You also put words in my mouth. I said nothing about using force. “Take what you can” is a big L libertarian mindset. Nice attempt at a strawman though.

            Take all the time you need to come up with a coherent argument.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            dat’s a good tip…coherent is step one toward cogent.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            “Ok, so your argument is that it’s ok”

            Nobody said it was Okay shit fer brains? That’s your imprecise wording again – legal, moral, and accetable are different and by phrasing it that way your making a dishonest and sweeping generalizatino.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            this is total nonsense.

            Also, demonstrate cheerleading? You lied about dok, repeatedly.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Wow, this guy is an idjit. Worse yet, he’s an dijit who thinks far too highly of himself and is convinced that is idiotic blather is meaningful. Too funny

            (and nice takedown, just because he’s too fucking dumb to realize it, doesn’t mean the rest of us didn’t notice)

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            well said!

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            yeah, give up on you too. And none of your comments even make sense, I didn’t even read the whole answer. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f5f33f9c596f6a67b0ec57de747ce75356db5158d9ae372224de0756c0a97bae.png

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            oh yeah, I couldn’t help this though – “obey the constitution” – as interpreted by the supreme court, we do…and the supreme court is in the constitution.

            So take your “constitutionalism” and shove it up your dumb ass.

            “A right is unique because it can’t be taken away. That’s why your parsing is just stupid.”

            This may be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on the internet.

            First, humans rights are taken away all the time, as in genocide, censorship and so. It’s not a magical talisman dummy. A “LEGAL RIGHT” is one which you are guaranteed, with exceptions. You have things that courts, cops, the government, and other people CAN NOT do to, or else you have the LEGAL RIGHT to seek legal redress.

            You have a right to appeal an adverse IRS decision. Did locke call that a “natural right?” No, but it’s a legal one (and not a privilege as you assert.)

            Also, if human rights are so “natural”, why does your concept of “due process” not enshrined in western culture prior to the magna carta? It either always has been or not…

            yikes!

          • JMP

            Humans created rights, just like all other laws. The idea of “natural rights” is absurd, because rights are not natural at all, they are creations of human society. How the fuck could there ever be such a thing as “natural” rights when rights don’t exist in nature?

            Oh, and this – “You’re like an atheist that starts praying as soon as anything bad happens.” – is not something that happens, and it’s straight up anti-atheist bigotry. Apologize for that, motherfucker.

          • Richard Jokes

            Well you are acting like a condescending ass. Cupcake.

          • Jesse

            North Koreans are people alive on this planet. Are you seriously trying to say they have the same rights as me?

            You really need to work on your debate skills, you’re doing yourself a major disservice.

          • Delu

            Rights are rights by the fact of being a person, alive on this planet.

            Tights are actually given by people actually, rights aren’t even a thing without humans around to make them a thing.

            So it stands to reason that certain people believe in certain “rights” while others do not. That 2nd amendment right for example.

            It’s also why there are international treaties signed like the Geneva convention that is an agreement between all signatories to observe certain boundaries in warfare. If these so called “rights” as dictated by the American Constitution that is not subscribed to by anyone else but America can somehow magically enforce rights EVERYWHERE in the world then why even the need to have such treaties and agreements?

            Your entire schtick here has been “hey, the rights defined in the American Constitution are somehow binding on everyone everywhere because they simply are, natural born rights at that!”. Unfortunately, though that may be what you THINK, and what you WISH, that is not actually a thing in reality.

            In fact your post shows just how man made these rights are and how they can be violated by man as a result,. Well thanks for bringing your own point down!

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            and I give you permission to go fuck yourself. Feel better now, cupcake?

          • JMP

            I love the irony of the ranting about ‘DROOOONES’ coming from someone who has repeatedly defended fucking Vladimir Putin. Why is bombing terrorist leaders bad but constantly having shitloads of journalists and critics assassinated OK with you?

          • Jesse

            When in a war, the geneva convention protects you, not the constitution.

            Swing and a miss on your part, but an ‘E’ for effort.

          • what, me worry?

            Who’s war are you fighting? Who is the enemy? What does winning look like?

            You’re talking about a so called war against a tactic. And the more people you kill, the more enemies you create.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            “And the more people you kill, the more enemies you create.”

            Hey, I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT SOMETHING. And it’s based on fact and reality. Good show.

            Now, you never answered me before. What should we do about the terrorists currently in the world plotting against civilians? Give them a huge and ask them not to?

          • Jesse

            Complete nonsequitor. The Geneva convention covers armed conflict, not the constitution.

            Also never said if I agreed or disagreed with the war on terror, you just jumped to the conclusion that I was for it so you could regurgitate a couple new-to-you talking points you’re so excited to use!

            If I’m fighting any war, its a war on ignorance. That’s why I’m still talking to you.

          • Delu

            They don’t grant them to people as an award for being a citizen, or living within our borders.

            So why is it called the Constitution of America rather than Constitution of the World?

            And one thing about those rights you are talking about, those natural rights thingies?

            Yeah they don’t exist the way you think they do.

            For example how many others in the world recognize the 2nd amendment as a “natural right”?

          • what, me worry?

            Because the US doesn’t govern the world. They’d like to, but they don’t. It is an agreement between the go very,net and the governed. If you are within the sphere of US authority, it applies to you, whether you’re a citizen or not, because the constitution recognizes rights, it doesn’t grant them.

            Maybe take a remedial civics class.

          • Delu

            And whoosh, the point flies above your head.

            Yeah of course America doesn’t govern the world even though it wants to duh, but what you seem to be getting at is these so called “invioable natural rights” that are somehow listed in the American Constitution, yet somehow applicable to anyone anywhere at the same time.

            So yeah it’s called the American constitution, it’s exclusive to America and yet the rights defined within are suppose to apply to people and places that are not America or American? Anywhere in the world? To anyone?

            Sense, your post has none of it.

          • Incoming Ham

            “They’d like to” infers that you are not an American – or are you referring to the government.

        • Panika MCD

          a) surveillance is an intelligence gathering action. drone strikes are a military action. you are very confused.

          b) you were the first person to mention drones. do you get a boner debating drones or something? do you have to fit them into every argument to get off? I think there may be a reddit forum for that. this is not a reddit forum. maybe you’re confused.

          c) I would hardly call incidental collection “wholesale unconstitutional surveillance”. so it’s not a valid point. not in this narrow case and not in the narrow case that you inserted into this non-comments section all on your own just because talking about drones hits your p-spot.

          d) incidental collection has not led to targeted drone strikes on Americans who were incidentally collected.

          e) as you have found out tonight, your opinion of right and wrong don’t stand up in a court of law. if you shot POTUS or Roger Stone–no matter what we may think of them, no matter what your opinion of the natural rights of others you say you’re protecting and under what Constitutional authority you think you’ve done it under–you’d still be legally in the wrong and go to prison–possibly on death row. it’s like those boys who took over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge: they had their own interpretation of the US Constitution, but their interpretation is not what is legally the case. you want to lump yourself in with those guys? go ahead. we will send you many dildos.

          f) if I haven’t made myself clear: you don’t govern the world anymore than the US does–no matter what you want. go away, now.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos
          • what, me worry?

            a) surveillance and defense both report to the executive, so your need to clarify that is a red herring. Obama’s administration was directly involved in both decisions.

            b) If we’re going to talk about Obama’s legacy, any discussion of that subject is incomplete without acknowledging that he killed a lot of people for committing crimes against the US without any due process, which itself is a crime.

            c) incidental collection and wholesale hoovering of American communications are two different things. The former is innocuous and can’t be helped. The latter was an ongoing approved NSA program that was enhanced under Obama. But, you know, trying to distract by conflating the two is what dishonest people do. You aren’t dishonest, right?

            d) another red herring, moving on.

            e) A bunch of liberals whining on Wonkette that I’m being mean to Obama by pointing out he isn’t perfect isn’t a “court of law”. The fact that a lot of like-minded people are here and they all like to whine about different perspectives being offered is not evidence. I’ve offered proof that Obama approved enhancement of the original NSA spying program, and that he has killed Americans in Drone attacks. If you dispute the illegality of his actions, you need to offer proof that he did no such thing, or that those things are ok with you. Note: I’ll ask if you’d be ok with Trump doing the same things, and I think we all know the answer to that question.

            f) You don’t govern the facts, not do I. More importantly, you don’t get to decide which facts are relevant and which are not. When the US does illegal, immoral shit, I’ll call the US out of their imperialism. And no, I don’t think I’ll go anywhere, thanks. You don’t get to make those decisions either.

          • Panika MCD

            a) your whole fucking argument is a red herring. and the DOJ is supposed to be independent from the executive, Cupcake!

            b) you’re the only person here who thinks that. you may want to go get checked out for your obsession. it’s not healthy to get sexual gratification talking about drones. or are you ready to indict Truman for killing Americans without due process when he dropped the bombs on Japan? how about every friendly fire incident ever–want to start indicting people? let’s start with you since you seem to think you are a “progressive” and firing on other progressives is necessary and helpful right now!

            c) do you understand how warrants work? apparently not. but it’s not like not understanding things is new to you!

            d) you’re the one who made the connection between surveillance and drone strikes, Princess Poopy Pants. so, yeah, it’s worth pointing out. it’s also worth pointing out that the connection you made was a red herring. that it didn’t belong in this forum because the article was about surveillance and not drone strikes. do you even know what a red herring is or did you see your buddies on reddit use it and decide to toss it out there whenever you feel like no one is respecting your lack of authority? from your use, my money is on the latter.

            e) but you have no problem with throwing around legal terminology like you’re in a court, do you? you also have no problem with acting as if your interpretation of the Constitution is going to be better than someone who was a Constitutional law professor. sounds a lot like the guys who took over Malheur. sounds a lot like someone who would justify any crime they commit through their bizarre interpretation. but the point wasn’t whether or not this was a court of law–that was your premise, Sprinkles. the point was that we don’t have to agree with the morality of something just because it’s legal. just like we can agree with the morality of something even though it’s illegal.

            f) you don’t even have a grasp on what a fact is, Bubbles. more importantly, you don’t get to tell me that your masturbation over drones is relevant because it’s not relevant to the article. it’s just not. surveillance and drone strikes are two very different things. the article was about surveillance. your screed was about drones. and no one here gives a flying fuck what gets you off. again, you don’t decide what is illegal. you can have your own opinion on what is immoral–but not what is legal and not. but if you want to keep beating your head against a brick wall, feel free. maybe you’re just dense enough to break through it! I was only suggesting you go cry to someone who actually cares what you have to say…but I shouldn’t have expected “go away, now” to be enough of a hint for you. that was silly of me to think you were going to be smart enough for that to break through, Empress.

          • what, me worry?

            ” your whole fucking argument is a red herring. and the DOJ is supposed to be independent from the executive, Cupcake!”

            Was your response to my statement that both of the departments you cited reported to the executive, after your original statement”

            “surveillance is an intelligence gathering action. drone strikes are a military action.”

            It seems as though whenever I point out how your logic or argument is flawed, you segue to a different topic of conversation, and pretend we’re still talking about the same thing.

            The DOJ, the Intel community and the military are all different things. I mentioned the misdeeds of the last two because they both reported to the executive. So, natch, you want to talk about the DOJ now. Priceless.

            I then said this, while giving you the benefit of the doubt: “trying to distract by conflating the two is what dishonest people do. You aren’t dishonest, right?”

            I stand corrected. Your repeated attempt to deflect the conversation after you’ve been shown wrong is obviously dishonest.

            You’re wasting my time. Have a great day.

          • Panika MCD

            your whole argument is flawed.

            you have no logic.

            you don’t even know what a red herring is.

            your argument is off topic on this post. the whole damn thing!

            give it up. you just like masturbating about drones–which was the original conflation, stupid.

            no, I didn’t give you the benefit of the doubt when I pointed any of those out, but I did give you enough credit to think that you would get it–seems I was wrong because nothing can stand in the way of your self-flagellation!

            turns out you’re intent on hanging any shred of credibility you could have.

            did you really want to go with sexist language there NATCH?

            your idiocy is truly priceless because it didn’t cost you a damn thing as exhibited by your repeated efforts to turn a post that was not about drones to begin with to be about drones!

            too bad your idiocy wasn’t priceless to the taxpayers to subsidized the schools you went to. maybe you should pay them back. it would be the MORAL thing to do.

            you’re a piece of garbage. have a shitty day trying to get someone to care about you and your misinterpretations of the law!

        • Lily412

          Thanks for filling me in. I knew about the drone stuff, which is why I always found it irritating when people talk about Obama like he’s infallible.

    • You again! What’s so fun about your post is you bring up something not even mentioned in the article and pretend you sound smart.
      You really do not.
      You continue to be the worst troll ever ^.^ How ya doin?

      • what, me worry?

        I’m doin great, Jen. But you’re not. Your party has lost 1100 seats in the last decade, because it’s been taken over by people that don’t care about anything. You’re all too smug and cosmopolitan to care about anything like principles and rights. There is an entire cadre of people here actually arguing that rights don’t exist. That they are a construct that don’t mean anything.

        And that’s true if people aren’t willing to exercise them and fight for them, if necessary. And none of you are. You’re all here saying, “meh. Screw you and your so called rights. Our guy Obama didn’t respect or recognize your rights. So, clearly, they suck.”

        And that, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with Democrats. You don’t care about anything except winning. And that’s why why you don’t win.

        • Panika MCD

          how many seats as the Libertarian party lost? oh, they didn’t have many to lose. you want to tell us about losing?

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          “You’re all too smug and cosmopolitan to care about anything like principles and rights.”
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f22b516e8b28152cd617c90083d31c2ca463d1681b594bdbda50023eef12e649.png

          “here is an entire cadre of people here actually arguing that rights don’t exist.”
          That’s a lie.

          “That they are a construct that don’t mean anything.”
          That’s a mendacious and inaccurate summary of our thoughts.

          And that’s true if people aren’t willing to exercise them and fight for them, if necessary. And none of you are.

          One of the nice fellows responding to you went to war…multiple times. several members of community did. Another of our community campaigned for hillary, HARD. Another campaigned for Bernie, till he lost fair and square. FUCK YOU.

          “You’re all here saying, “meh. Screw you and your so called rights. ”

          No one said, a blatant lie, your THIRD by my count.

          “You don’t care about anything except winning.”

          This is just fucking dumb. Did you see hillary’s campaign website? What with all it’s carefully thought policies, built on decades of progressive thought.

    • jesterpunk
  • Debmcd

    Should we assume that the “sources say” coming from the WH are fake as well. There are plenty of those going around too.

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