The Thimker

Kris Kobach, the co-chair of Donald Trump’s glorious Find The Five Million Illegals Who Voted For Hillary Commission, has been running into a bit of pushback to his letter asking all 50 states to submit detailed voter information to be used in a great big study that would supposedly root out all the voter fraud. At least 25 states have said they won’t or can’t comply — or will not submit all the data Kobach requested, either because they’re restricted by state law, or they don’t trust the commission, which is expected to skew the data to support Republican claims of massive voter fraud, and to recommend restrictions on voting rights.

Among the states that won’t be giving the “Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity” all the data Kris Kobach wants is Kansas, where Secretary of State Kris Kobach explained that under state law, he can’t release the last four digits of voters’ Social Security numbers. The state will release all other information requested in the letter, like voters’ names, addresses, dates of birth, voting history, party affiliation, and felony criminal history. Kobach explained,

In Kansas, the Social Security number is not publicly available. … Every state receives the same letter, but we’re not asking for it if it’s not publicly available[.]

Kobach did hold open the possibility that Kansas might find a way to release the SSN data later, maybe:

“If the commission decides that they would like to receive Social Security numbers to a secure site in order to remove false positives, then we would have to double check and make sure Kansas law permits,” Kobach said.

“I know for a fact that this information would be secured and maintained confidentially,” he added in response to security concerns.

He happens to personally know the commission’s co-chair, after all, and he trusts Kris Kobach not to pull any funny stuff.

Several other states, however, know exactly who Kris Kobach is, and have decided not to play along with Kobach, like Virginia, where Gov. Terry McAulliffe issued a statement saying

This entire commission is based on the specious and false notion that there was widespread voter fraud last November […] At best this commission was set up as a pretext to validate Donald Trump’s alternative election facts, and at worst is a tool to commit large-scale voter suppression.

Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann, a Republican, was a bit more blunt. His statement not only said Mississippi wouldn’t comply with the request for voter records, he also told Kobach that while he hadn’t yet received the letter, based on the copies he’d seen, his reply to the commission would be “They can go jump in the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi is a great state to launch from.”

In 2014, the vote-fraud panic group True the Vote sued Hosemann, the state, and the Mississippi Republican Party in an effort to prove that Senate incumbent Thad Cochran’s primary win over teabagger Chris McDaniel was the result of voter fraud. As you may remember, the teabagging True Believers were absolutely certain Cochran could only have won by buying black votes or at least being more appealing to black voters than the neo-Confederate grifterweasel McDaniel. So in the fallout after that primary, True the Vote sued to get complete voter information, including birth dates; Hosemann and the state contended that would breach voters’ privacy, and won in court. So Hosemann is no fan of his own party’s Too Many People Are Voting wing.

As we noted yesterday, Never Trust Kris Kobach is a good rule of thumb; the guy has a reputation for playing fast and loose with statistics whenever they can be manipulated to make voter fraud look likely, or even possible. The “Crosscheck” computer system Kobach developed is notorious for false positives, making it look like someone is registered to vote twice, when in fact it’s found two different people. All you need are two people with the same first and last names and a shared birth date, and there’s your voter fraud — and if the states using Crosscheck didn’t input middle names or initials, it sucks to be both Carol A. Washington and Carol C. Washington; both may have their registration challenged.

Now, here’s where things get sticky for states facing Kobach’s request: Refusing to comply at all is probably the best choice, because the commission doesn’t have subpoena power, and the more states that tell Kobach to go jump in a nearby body of water, the better, even if they risk a pissy tweet from that man in the White House:

But that’s fine, the man’s an idiot. Most states that are pushing back, however, are doing so by submitting only names and maybe addresses, while withholding dates of birth or partial SSNs. Wisconsin’s elections commission administrator, for instance, said the state would be happy to sell the commission its voter data at the same rate it does for political parties: $12,500. We think that’s pretty darn good trolling, but here’s the problem with partly complying with Kobach’s request: if the birthdate or Social Security data isn’t included, that’s going to lead to even more false positives, which will give Kobach exactly what he wants: bogus “evidence” of possible voter fraud, thanks to all those people who share names, and for whom there’s no additional data to separate them. As data analyst Mark Swedlund said in Rolling Stone’s indispensable story on Crosscheck last year, the methodology of Crosscheck is “childish” because it seems designed to produce false positives:

God forbid your name is Garcia, of which there are 858,000 in the U.S., and your first name is Joseph or Jose. You’re probably suspected of voting in 27 states.

So it’s a hell of a dilemma: resist altogether, which is smart but takes a bit of political courage — and gives ammo to the morons insisting there are millions of hidden illegals voting; share all the requested data, which would reduce (but not eliminate) false results but would also grant legitimacy to Kobach’s efforts; or share partial data, which would play into the shoddy methodology Kobach and his allies have already used to disenfranchise tens of thousands — or more. It’s a no-win situation, a regular Kobachyashi Maru scenario.

In any case, voting sure was nice while it lasted.

[WaPo / Kansas City Star / Clarion-Ledger / Rolling Stone]

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  • bookish

    How GOP healthcare bill affects children.

    Congress needs to remember that children represent nearly half of all Medicaid beneficiaries — and will be one of the groups hardest hit by the BCRA. Challenge your colleagues to do better: Don’t accept a 142-page bill that only references children eight times. (Six of the references are merely legal definitions). Put children first.

    The only direct consideration for children in the bill is a focus on blind and disabled youth. While this is a population deserving of coverage, it neglects more than 95% of children in Medicaid and in the states-administered Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides low-cost health coverage to children in families that earn too much for Medicaid and who also face a loss or reduction of coverage.

    That’s 19 out of 20 needy children now being put at risk as a result of the proposed law.

    • jesterpunk

      But Newt said those kids should get a damn job and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. They should have chosen to be born rich like Trump and his spawn did.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        It’s all old John Burch society nonsense. They really do oppose everything that has changed since 1910, including child labor laws.

        • jesterpunk

          That is what they mean by “Make America Great” take it back to a time when only rich white men had any say in anything.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Obviously that’s the case. Basically it means “Let’s do the time warp again” or go back to Back to the Future. Reagan wanted to take America back to the 1950s. Trump wants to take America back to the 1980s, and therefore the Reagan era. So by default, he wants to take us back to the 1950s — and keep us there, in a permanent Groundhog Day scenario.

        • Msgr_MΩment

          Maybe since 1862.

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            Just whatever time before there was infrastructure or social programs. Before women could vote. When slavery was legal and only wealthy male land owners could vote.

            That’s why they want to bring back coal. To them, that’s the smell of “Murica”.

          • Canuckistanian Ron

            If they’d like to breathe coal dust I’d be happy to accommodate them.

          • Three Finger Salute

            Worse. They want the Puritan era back. Jefferson was too Muslim-y for them.

          • Latverian Diplomat

            Possibly everything since Emperor Constantine.

          • Canuckistanian Ron

            Wasn’t he a <gasp:gt; CATHOLIC?

          • Latverian Diplomat

            “As a true Christian, he was Protestant, an evangelical in fact, he just didn’t realize it.”
            — An Evangelical Historian

      • Latverian Diplomat

        “Sick kids are an even worse investment than casinos.”
        — Donald Trump

    • SayItWithWookies

      What do you have against those adorable chimney sweeps and pickpockets from Mary Poppins and Oliver Twist?

    • Three Finger Salute

      Are there no workhouses?

  • Everrett Fanuelli

    Oh well, one party rule for the foreseeable future won’t be all that bad.

    • Nounverb911

      “all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”….

      • Three Finger Salute

        Some pigs are dirtier than others

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “The choice between voting Republican and going to prison is still a choice.”

    • Three Finger Salute

      I hear apartheid worked out really well in South Africa.

  • Panika MCD

    True the Vote is filled with mouth breathers. no one likes them. just this week SCOTx found a way to misread Obergefell v. Hodges, but(in a separate case) told those twits to go fuck themselves with a PAC disclosure form.

    • TundraGrifter

      A court in Texas ruled “True the Vote” was a political arm of the Republican Party.

      What more do you need to know?

      • Panika MCD

        no, they ruled that they were not allowed to launder corporate money through their other group called the King Street Patriots.

        • TundraGrifter

          Potato / potahto?

          Texas Judge: True the Vote’s Parent Organization is a “GOP Front Group”

          Questions about whether True the Vote is really a “charity” did not start with Verify the Recall: the group’s partisan roots have shown almost from the beginning.

          A 2010 video announcing True the Vote’s launch begins with right-wing activist David Horowitz telling the camera “Republicans have to win by at least three percent in order to win an election,” since Democrats are so likely to cast fraudulent votes.

          The video, which features white activists warning of rampant voter fraud, also featured an image of an African-American woman holding a sign that had been doctored to say “I only got to vote once.” In the original photograph, the sign read “don’t mess with my vote.” (The image was later cut from the video).

          A few months after the video and True the Vote’s launch, in the November 2010 elections, the group dispatched its “poll watchers” to districts in Harris County, Texas where most voters were African-American or Latino. They found no hard evidence of intentional voter fraud, but the poll watchers did draw accusations of voter intimidation from election officials, with volunteers “hovering” behind people as they cast their ballot, “getting into election worker’s faces,” and blocking or disrupting lines of voters.

          After those elections, the Civil Rights division of the U.S. Department of Justice launched an investigation into the group and its alleged voter intimidation efforts.

          At the time, True the Vote was described as a “project” of the Houston-based Tea Party group King Street Patriots, which was also founded by Engelbrecht; the 2010 video featured the True the Vote logo laid-over that of its parent organization. And the IRS was not the first to question whether the groups really qualify for nonprofit status. Based on its 2010 True the Vote voter intimidation activities and close relationship with the state Republican Party, a Texas judge called the King Street Patriots a “GOP front group” that had illegally provided in-kind donations to the state Republican Party.

          • Panika MCD

            hon. I’m pretty familiar with all the players…it’s kind of my job to know this stuff. it’s a front group for Michael Quinn Sullivan who you’ve never heard of.

          • TundraGrifter

            I make it a rule to never argue with an expert.

            And, since you are an expert, perhaps you can riddle me this one:

            The Roger Stone Dossier

            Roger Stone’s name has been closely associated with “Citizens for Trump.” During the RNC, he and Alex Stone held a public event with that group listed as the host. It raised money to support Mr. Trump’s campaign for President.

            What is “Citizens for Trump?” Published accounts call it a Super PAC headed by Roger Stone. It isn’t.

            It appears to be a for-profit entity owned and operated by the “Patriotic Network, LLC” – in turn, owned by Timothy Selaty, Sr. (“Political Innovations, LLC,” “Tea Party Community” – the “conservative alternative to Facebook” – “Tea Party Tribune,” et. al.).

            There no LLC registration for Patriotic Network or Patriotic Warriors in Delaware, Michigan, Texas or Virginia. Registration is by state and I don’t have time to check the fifty states.

            How can “Citizens for Trump” or this organization collect “donations” to support Donald J. Trump and not be registered with the FEC if it spent more than $5,000 to support him?


            Interestingly, that portion of the website does not appear to be accessible from the homepage. Why?

            I called the FEC and “Citizens for Trump” doesn’t appear in their database.


            The very nice young lady at the FEC said if the organization has spent $5,000 or more it needs to register (if it’s an LLC or any other entity) unless it is an IRS-registered non-profit/charity (the various 50’s).

            It doesn’t appear to be.


            Mr. Stone has a previous history of being accused of unreported “in kind” campaign contributions.


            This matter was closed a few years later:


          • Panika MCD

            TX politics, policy and law is my area. that’s not one I’m going to swing at.

          • TundraGrifter

            Too bad. I’d very much like to know the answer. And then why nobody else ever seems to have asked the question.

            A very similar one resides down in Florida. Most people are familiar with the Trump “Foundation’s” illegal $25,000 political contribution to “And Justice for All,” affiliated with Pam Bondi. In turn, that organization gave the money to another entity, “Justice for All.”

            That entity made a few contributions to the Republican Party of Florida that totaled over $1,000,000. Sure looks like money-laundering to me. But nobody else seems to give a fuck.

          • Panika MCD

            ask an election lawyer.

          • Panika MCD

            you could also too consult a law library.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      True the Vote tried to get their noses into our election business. Our then-Democratic Secretary of State told them to go piss up a rope.

      • Panika MCD

        everyone tells them that. it’s one of the only bipartisan things left.

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    There are a whole shitpot of us Toomush’s out there, Kris Kolbach can kiss our collective asses…

  • doktorzoom

    Blockquote from the WaPo story that was too long for an already-long story, but which suggests Jason Kander is going places:

    “It looks like they’re putting together a database of who people voted for,” said Jason Kander, a former Missouri secretary of state who runs the nonprofit group Let America Vote. “Democrat, Republican, independent, everybody should be outraged by that. This is from the same people, from Kris Kobach to Donald Trump, who’ve tried to make it harder for people to vote, and this seems like a step in the process. If the Obama administration had asked for this, Kris Kobach would be holding a press conference outside the Capitol to denounce it.”

    • SayItWithWookies

      Yeah they have no fucking business asking about voting history, even if all they can get is “x voted in a district that went 60% Democratic.” Kobach is either working towards more accurate voter suppression or more accurate voter fraud — either goal should be stopped.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Why not both?

    • eyelashviper

      yep, and the usual “states rights” chorus is amazingly silent at this egregious effort.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        Except Mississippi!

        • eyelashviper

          yeah, I saw that, a good one, told tRump and his plan to go jump in the Gulf.

          • Latverian Diplomat

            “Well, while Trump is great and all, at the end of the day, he is still a damned Yankee.”
            — A Mississippi Trumpkin

          • eyelashviper

            you betcha, even Alabamans are suspect.

          • Latverian Diplomat

            “Those Alabamans have been known to put on airs: ‘Look at us, we’re all fancy and ranked 47th in education and all'”
            — Mississippi

    • Shanzgood 6 Days

      Kobach also has this sticky wicket at home regarding a voter fraud case. It’s not well written but the info in it is interesting.

      • not_vh

        additional upvote for sticky wicket. lot of people get LBW or caught in the gully on a sticky wicket, if you know what i mean.

        • Shanzgood 6 Days

          No, I have no idea!

          • PubOption

            Had you written that you were stumped, not_vh wouldn’t know if you understood the cricket references.

          • Shanzgood 6 Days

            I knew it was from cricket but only what it means as a phrase, not as a sportsball situation.

        • PubOption

          Beware of Silly Mid Off!

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    I’m simply pleased that Hosemann refused outright. I sent a fax thanking him. Gotta tell these people when they did the right thing.

    Now I have to fax my senators about healthcare again. Bury them in faxes.

  • Well, I’m glad most states are telling him to go fuck himself. Federalism has its upsides too, I guess.

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea

    I don’t understand why voter data is public and buyable in the first place.

    • willi0000000

      shouldn’t be . . . but $$$$$$$$$$

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      It’s public record here in Connecticut. Back in the stone age, the parties would have people at the polling places with voter registration lists so they could determine who had and had not voted. Then they’d call them to remind them to turn off Jerry Springer and get to the polls. Poll watchers they were called.

      Now a days, it’s all electronic …

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Newly released tapes of Kobach explaining to Kobach that he can’t honor Kobach’s request:

    • FlownΩver

      Kobach is running for KS gov. If Gollum’s on the primary ballot KKKris might finish second at best.

  • SayItWithWookies

    If Kobach wants to do something productive that would involve federalizing voting, he could set national standards for voting machines so that there’s a paper trail and recounts could be conducted easily and effectively. Aside from that, his intrusion into what he and many Republicans would consider a state’s prerogative — managing their voting records — is completely specious.

  • Covfefe

    FWIW, my name is far from common but I once was handed a prescription for someone with my name and birth date which was one year to the day from my birthday. When I handed it back to the pharmacist the pharmacist was embarrassed because it was technically a HIPPA violation. I later found out the guys lives about three miles from me. So I guess I voted twice in the same precinct.

    • Three Finger Salute

      My name is in the phone book between a bunch of Muslim-sounding ones. One typo and I’m doubly screwed.

  • TJ Barke

    It’s a plot by corrupt and amoral republicans to learn how to more effectively suppress voters so their hegemony cannot be threatened. WE ARE IN A SOFT COUP.

    • FlownΩver

      It would be hard if they could maker it hard.

    • Three Finger Salute

      To paraphrase Shrub, the French don’t have a word for coup d’etat.

  • Nounverb911
  • Vincent Ricola

    I have voted Dem in every election, from dog catcher to president, since I was 18-years-old. I have worked at the polls in my shitbag state, the one that seems to be fine with this offensively intimate request for personal information, and been somewhat active in various local liberal causes. I, no snark, am scared I will never get to vote again. There aren’t enough bad words in the world to describe how I feel about this bullshit.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Heck, I’m worried about being branded an “enemy elite” by the GOP (and a “Second Amendment final solution” found by the NRA) because I have a college degree and we get Time magazine at our house. At least if it was swift, painless, and fatal, fine. I don’t want to end up in a wheelchair, though. Not only because I’d be crippled but because Trump would make fun of me.

      • The NRA are talking like the American Khmer Rouge. You might be more worried about working with a gun in your back for a bowl of rice a day.

      • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

        Yeah, like you’d have insurance to pay for a wheelchair.

    • cleos_mom

      Not sure which shitbag state you mean, but I’m not exactly thrilled to be a citizen of Missouri at present.

      • mfp

        you expected something different?

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    What are YOU trying to hide, fat boy? Why not turn over your tax returns to the very distinguished American people? Can’t have it both ways, T-Rex.

  • ariel_gee_398

    And just as a reminder, your registration information is publicly available, but donations corporations make to Crossroads GPS, for example, to buy elections are not.

  • II Gosala
  • Persistent Demme

    This is REALLY bad!
    C’mon GOP wimps, this cannot stand!
    Even you know this is wrong!

    • OutOfOrbit

      “Wrong? HA! We’ve got your ‘wrong’ swinging right here.”

      • Persistent Demme

        I know.

      • fifthdentist

        Show me on this map where the Republicans touched you in your private places.

    • SayItWithWookies

      Your faith that conservatives have some sort of objectively unchanging moral base is charming.

      • Persistent Demme

        I know, ever the optimist!

    • anon_the_great

      Ah. The “Republicans give a Flying Fuck” fallacy. I still make that mistake.

      • Persistent Demme

        Glad to know I’m not the only one!

  • FlownΩver

    Incompetent, dishonest and hateful is no way to go through life, son.

  • Doug Langley

    Fun fact: I once lived on the Mississippi coast. The beach is artificial – longest in the world, I think. Water’s only an inch deep at the shore, you have to walk out a ways before it’s a foot or two. So it’s fun to fantasize about someone jumping into the Gulf, but would be anti-climatic.

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      Not if they land head first.

    • efoveks

      Dirt torpedo.!

    • Well, it would be fun to see them go SPLAT!

    • cleos_mom

      There are always sharks. And bureaucritters who never learned to swim.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        But would sharks go after Kris Kobach? Professional courtesy and all.

    • Vel Venturi

      They might suffocate in BP oil?

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    All you need to know about the motive of this perfidy is that Texas, which spent 8 GODDAMN YEARS fighting every Obama Administration request tooth and nail under the guise of “we don’t have follow federal directives if’n we don’t wanna”, wasted no time in rolling over (though they did agree to not provide SSNs).

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i was going to go searching for whether my state had complied, but I’m lazy.

      Thanks for teh update. (also, dammit Texas!)

    • Vel Venturi

      So much for ‘come and take it.’

    • mfp

      we expected anything else?

  • Thorn Spike

    That pic: Voter Suppression is HARD!

    • Three Finger Salute

      “We need to dox the untermenschen not because voting is too easy, but because voter suppression is too hard.”

      -Kristallnacht Klux Kobach, who is no Jack Kennedy.

  • not_vh

    the question is not what they are trying to hide, the question is why do you want it.

    when collecting medical data you have go through a lengthy process of review of the exact data collected, how it is collected, why it is collected, how it will be used, and for what purposes. Everything is questioned and must have satisfactory justification.

    you cannot ask data to go on a fishing expedition.

    • Tiny kaiju

      Unless you are Andrew Wakefield. Then you can make your data fit your hypothesis and give everyone measles.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    If state laws are a barrier to the Kobach Voter Fraud Data Grab, then I guess ALEC must have dropped the ball on this one.

    • Three Finger Salute

      There’s always 400-pound Russkies on their beds…

      • Celtic_Gnome

        In New Jersey, who might as well work because they aren’t going to the fucking beach this Fourth of July.

  • Canuckistanian Ron

    And this sort of thing is why I have my doubts about ‘fixing things’ after the mid-terms: they’re gonna do everything they can to either eliminate them or at least ensure a permanent GOP majority until the end of time.

    • eggs ackly-wright

      Or at least a thousand years…

      • Canuckistanian Ron


      • Latverian Diplomat

        A thousand years is “forever” for people who can’t count very high. :)

        • Celtic_Gnome

          That’d be one-sixth of the world’s lifespan.

      • fifthdentist

        Twelve years was bad enough last time.

    • handyhippie65

      i guess all the gerrymandering just wasn’t enough to get’er done.

      • Canuckistanian Ron

        It’s time-consuming to gerrymander a district so that individual houses are included or excluded.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Or individual names that “sound funny.”

      • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

        The only thing that would save us is for the Supreme Court to decide that political gerrymandering is unconstitutional, which it bloody well should be, but I don’t hold out the hopes for the right decision there (that way I have the possibility of being pleasantly surprised).

        • handyhippie65

          they kinda have. but now whether they apply it across the board, is anyone’s guess.

      • doktorzoom

        Hey, did you hear the Census Bureau’s budget has been cut in preparation for 2020?

        • handyhippie65

          of course it has. SCOTUS ruled against some gerrymandering, and the GTOP are running scared. if you can’t count them, they can’t redistrict, right?

  • anon_the_great

    I think the point here is the Feds, regardless of Party, have no right to build a national voter data base. Elections, rightly or wrongly, are the purview of the States. You can thank Enslavers such as Theo. Jefferson and Geo. Washington for that.

    Strange world, isn’t it?

  • amindofitsown

    When you trip over the wild goose which you’re chasing…

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “If I interpret the law correctly, I can just submit the spreadsheet as is, with a note asking myself not to look at column E.”
    — Kris Kobach

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Just out of curiosity, anyone know if Kris Kobach’s middle name is Kevin, or something like that?

  • handyhippie65

    i’ll bet pence doesn’t let indiana get away with this. he’ll just have the republicans change whatever laws that protect personal info. we suck. we suck like a shark navigator. nature may abhor a vacuum, but our state lege sure luvs them some sucking.

  • Scooby

    I’ll bet he must have trouble jerking off.

  • Thorn Spike

    You misspelled KKKris KKKobach.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Why don’t they just let all voters wear a star with SSN and party affiliation?

    • Three Finger Salute

      The party affiliation gets sewn to your coat. The SSN is tattooed on your wrist,

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        and everyone wears striped pyama’s on election day!

        • Three Finger Salute

          Red, white and blue striped pajamas, because MURICA!

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            And afterwards every libel is sent to the coal chambers.

    • Three Finger Salute

      “It matters not who is running as a candidate but who is counting the votes.”

      -Some Russian guy

  • DaveM

    If these morons had any thing to run on besides hate and discontent they would not need to try voter suppression. Republicans know they are losers and their policies are shit. With out crap like this they will get their chicken shit asses kicked.

  • The Librarian

    🎼 Kobach, kobach to where you once belong.

    • cleos_mom

      Where the men are men and the schools are a perennial endangered species.

      • The Librarian

        No one should be given a permit to kill schools. Looking at you, Bareback!!!!!

        Truly sorry for all you endure from that asshat and whoever he rode in on. :P

  • shivaskeeper

    “I know for a fact that this information would be secured and maintained confidentially,”

    You know no such thing you jackass. Eat a dick Kris. FFS you asked everyone for data that your own fucking state won’t give out.

  • Lyly Sirivong

    It’s insane. Is there no rules for setting up a commission or for the kind of things it’s allowed to ask ? How is this even legal ?

  • Three Finger Salute

    Kobach asking “politely” is just a PR move to claim an air of legitimacy. Russia will hack into the voter database anyway. Koch owns Diebold, so the voting system already has that vulnerability to be willingly offered up for the right price. And when all else fails, there’s plenty of sweet, sweet “metadata” to be had at the Master Cylinder in Utah.

    Welcome, my son. Welcome to the machine.

  • La forza del resistino

    With my migratory life, I’m likely registered in 3 states. Now if Mr. Soros will fork over the airfare, I can get back to the 2 prior states on election day.

  • BPMM

    There is no such thing as a secure server, so fuck off Kobach Trump should release his tax returns if he expects cooperation on anything, but never this.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      Well, Hillary had State use a pretty secure server, that still hasn’t been hacked–did anyone ever mention anything about that, I can’t remember

  • i’mjustaskingthequestion

    See…i don’t get this…

    A) why is it the gov’t’s right to know my voting record and how is the information relevant to a voter fraud investigation

    B) Why are people more pissed off about this?

    • Because everybody is focusing on Trump’s stupid tweets instead of anything he’s actually doing.

      • i’mjustaskingthequestion

        Isn’t that the truth though? I get why the public at large does it. What I don’t get is why Democratic leadership isn’t doing more to focus the voters. There should be some sort of concerted effort emerging by now. I certainly don’t see anything nationally.

    • doktorzoom

      It’s only a record of which elections you vote in, of course, not how you voted. If Kobach were operating in good faith (which we have no reason to think he is), an accurate record of who voted in what elections could show whether Joe Blow voted in both Kansas and Missouri in 2010, for instance.

      Of course, multiple studies of voting have found that real voter fraud is vanishingly rare, and Kobach is utterly dishonest (If you haven’t read this New York Times profile, you gotta), so heaven knows how he’ll use the data.

    • fifthdentist

      Can you imagine if the Obama administration had asked for this information?
      It wold have been “THE WORST THING EVEREST!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111”.
      Except all of the other worst things everest he did. Like BENGHAZI!!!!!

  • Angry Red Bird DGAF

    It isn’t a no win situation. No one is obligated to submit data so no one should submit data. They’re going to insist that people are voting illegally regardless of what we give them why do anything at all.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution


  • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

    The shit hole fucking right wing white supremacist Russian cock sucking traitor thinks he won the fucking election. “Really.”

  • SnarkON

    Our tax dollars at work.

  • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

    Yoohoo! ACLU! Have you sued to challenge the legality of this horse shit yet? Hop to it kids, we’re counting on you.

    • susan_g

      Sending the ACLU some dough would help that happen.

      • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

        We did, most especially back when they raked in something like $25 mil in one weekend, must have been during the initial travel ban fiasco, so we figured we could coast for awhile.

        Besides, we gotta help keeps Donna Rose in fabulousness.

  • TootsStansbury

    What do they think will happen when more and more people can’t vote? Do they think people will just quietly go away?

    • cleos_mom

      They won’t if even a percentage of the population pays more attention to the likes of this than to, say, a batshit crazy dictator dissing a TeeVee couple. Whether people just give up and shrug — well, never underestimate the gravediggers and their influence.

    • wavicles

      Half are already no-shows. “Let’s get those numbers up, Congressmen!”

  • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

    Don’t ya love how Republicans are constantly screaming about State’s rights, except when they’re not.

  • chacowalla

    I am curious about the cost of this presidential ego-trip venture. Republicans are supposed to be always aware of the bottom line. Is this going to be added to the federal budget for next year? It’s going to cost billions for labor.

    • Penny Dreadful Says Cats

      They’re supposed to be aware of government over-reach, too, or so I’ve been told.

  • A commission with a pre-drawn conclusion is set up to prove the pre-drawn conclusion? What could possibly go right?

  • m3bosha

    Nearly 9 months after the election the Creamcicle boy still can’t stand the fact he lost the popular vote. Can somebody give this fucker a calendar?

    • Paperless Tiger

      Or clean his clock.

    • fifthdentist

      Depends. Can I set it on fire and shove it up his big fat idiot ass? Sideways?

  • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

    But the commission is “Very Distinguished”!

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      Distinguished as known advocates of voter suppression, of course.

      • Pax Americana Per Ars Smith

        Hopefully, soon they will be a “Very Extinguished” commission.

    • BouncyFlyer

      One might even say they’re very discriminating. Ahem.

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    States should tell Kobach/Trump their voter records are under audit. Always have been. Always will be.

    • fifthdentist

      As spokesman for Secretaries of States of ‘Murka, I’m announcing that next week there’ll be a really big announcement about our upcoming even really bigger announcement on responding to this request.
      I can tell you, a lot of you are going to be disappointed.

  • A_Changeling

    The US doesn’t have secrecy of the ballot?

    • Penny Dreadful Says Cats

      Ballot, yes. Registration, not so much.

      • Alan

        They asked for party affiliation too.

        • Penny Dreadful Says Cats

          Right, but registration doesn’t always correspond to voting habits. Just mostly. Enough to create a handy-dandy blacklist. Flames, flames on the side of my face.

  • Nick.Trite

    ““I know for a fact that this information would be secured and maintained confidentially,” he added in response to security concerns.”

    “ya know, until we decide to send it to the Russians for targeted hacking,” he added.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      Three panelists, all of them known, virulent advocates of voter suppression, and one of them of Russian parentage. What could possibly be the problem?

  • Mississippi telling Kobach to jump in the Gulf is the best thing it’s done since their state quarter design. (Last in everything else.)

  • Poly_Ester

    “Only the committee and, of course, our Russian allies will see this information,” said Kobach.

  • Arthur Gane

    There is no man in the WH only a child with anger issues.

  • akryan

    I actually registered a pair of twins to vote and it was a clusterfuck to get it done. It was understandable though. Their parents decided it was a good idea to give them the exact same name, first, middle, and last. They didn’t want one to feel like he was “second choice”. Well, these kids lived together, had the same phone number, and only had a single difference in SSN, an 8 and a 6 for the last digit. The state rejected their applications twice.

    • I feel like that’s something that should be mentioned to parents before they name their kids (though who gives their kids the same name anyway?)

      • redarmyzombie

        Idiots, apparently…

      • Major_Major_Major

        George Foreman

        • Gregory Brown

          Damn, George Foreman can always get a pass from me.

        • Husband Of Mrs God


      • Gregory Brown

        “though who gives their kids the same name anyway?” I’m going to take a wild guess: Imbeciles.

      • Husband Of Mrs God

        How did they even handle that around the house?

    • Gregory Brown

      I hate parents who do shit like that to their children. I personally amassed, over 30 years in newspapers, a list of hundreds, if not thousands of weird names, many of which, if there is a vengeful God, will result in the parents who perpetrated those names rotting in hell. Easy Rider Reddin. Victory Pearl Harbor Island, Olive Brown Butts, Daisy Storm Shook (I actually really like that one) and the classic, Joe Blow (Poor man went by J.R.)

    • fifthdentist

      Lucky you weren’t enlisted by George Foreman Sr.,* with five George Freeman Foermans — Jr., III, IV, V, and VI** — to have sprung from his loins. Also, too, daughter Georgetta.

      * George Foreman Grill cheese sammich, mmmm mmmm. I is hungry.

      ** No word on why “II” was skipped over.

  • Krombopulous Pichael

    thank god… anything to sooth the wounded yellow snow flake ego….

    waste millions in seconds for nothing at all? no problem…
    obama got 400k to be prez? i want $400,001…
    im a real man, you know

  • Major_Major_Major

    In related news, I got a letter from Gilchrist County, FL to confirm my address (I have been on Cape Cod for 5 fucking years), yet my wife did not. Strangely, she was registered as an Independent and I registered as an R to make sure Rick “SMRT glasses” Perry didn’t get the nomination in 2012. Can’t imagine why they are seeking me out, and not her. Any ideas, y’all?

    • wavicles

      RINO filter?

  • Mavenmaven

    Interesting that Trump is doing this just before meeting Putin. Coincidence?

    • Gregory Brown

      I think not!

      • Husband Of Mrs God

        Good thing you’re not Rene’ Descarte!

  • Me not sure

    I entrusted my voter info to my home state for one purpose, to be able to vote. If I have not specifically authorized the release of that information to any other entity it should required that they seek my personal permission before doing so. …Alas,… this is no longer a country where my lack of permission for anything is likely to be respected.

  • Alex Grey

    Is their a list somewhere of which states refused to completely comply, and of what info was given by the states that partially complied?

  • Husband Of Mrs God

    I don’t think this so-called commission is even legal.

    • wavicles

      It’s the verb commission they’re using. Commision of a crime… commission

  • Husband Of Mrs God

    Oh, you know Kris Kobach. Who loves ya baby?

    • pat tolle

      @Husband Of Mrs God – I’ll tell you who. Wherever Kobach goes, there too is ALEC. Kansas recruited him from Arizona where he and ALEC were responsible for the infamous “papers please” law. that never thankfully saw the light of day.

      • Husband Of Mrs God

        Please excuse the cheap Kojak reference.
        Looks like trump found his mad caped crusader on this issue.

  • miss_grundy

    Kris Kobach es un comemierda.

    • girdyerloins

      Comemierda Y mamabicho.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    Man! As infuriating as this latest piece of Republican fuckery is, Kobachyashi Maru made it all worthwhile.

    Well played, sir. Well played.

  • Jeff Mc Donald

    At least once a day, since Trump was elected, I seem to see an item that makes me think that it must have originated from an AM station in Pahrump Nevada. Either there is weirdness going on, or an evil Art Bell clone is running the Republican party.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    My copy of the Constitution must have been printed incorrectly. I don’t anywhere in mine where is says the President has power to unilaterally regulate the activities of state election officials. Never thought I would be saying this but…STATE FUCKING RIGHTS !!!

  • SkinlessGenderlessMan

    Mad respect, sir!

    Coining “grifterweasel” and reminding us of Star Trek’s most famous cheat, both in the same article!

  • Zyxomma

    I’ve always enjoyed my belief that I’m to live a long, healthy life. The present excuse for an administration is making me rethink that. Maybe living long is not such a great idea.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    I heard there are about 1500 voters named Maria Martinez who are registered to vote in California. That lady must be very busy on election day.

    • Lily

      Yeah, what about Bob Jones who is like everywhere? But his name isn’t ethnic enough, so they’ll let that one go.

      • fifthdentist

        Bob Jones, Robert Jones, Rob Jones, Robbie Jones, Roberta Jones; Dey’s uh, Jones-kabobs, Jones creole, Jones gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There’s pineapple Jones, lemon Jones, coconut Jones, pepper Jones, Jones soup, Jones stew, Jones salad, Jones and potatoes, Jones burger, Jones sandwich.

    • fifthdentist

      Well, voting is a job that most Americans refuse to do.

  • BillEGoatSmirk

    I do believe that I posted a Chardonnista comment last night on this topic, which was my comment/post to my allegedly leftwing MSM local paper…But this whole thing pisses me off to no end. We all need to push back on this fake “commission” and the criminals known as Kobach, Pence and Trump. This is serious 1935 Germany stuff that they’re trying to do. So here is my new “MSM” comment from this morning:

    ‘ACLU had already filed a FOIA request in May, demanding to see the information that is the basis for the ‘administration’s’ claims of voter fraud.

    “President Trump is attempting to spread his own fake news about election integrity. Such claims have been widely debunked, but he is still trying to push his false reality on the American public. It is telling that the president’s choice to co-lead the commission is none other than Kris Kobach, one of the worst offenders of voter suppression in the nation today. If the Trump administration really cares about election integrity, it will divulge its supposed evidence before embarking on this commission boondoggle.”

    ACLU also has a lawsuit pending against Kobach in KS for the voter suppression BS that he has perpetrated on the citizens of his own state. And he was just slapped by the Federal judge for withholding documents in that case.

    With any luck, the ACLU and various states will also join together and file suit to stop this fake commission’s demand for non-public information.’

  • smokefilledroommate

    Arizona declined.. (well, our full SSNs, DOBs, and mother’s maiden name info won’t be given, which is nice.) Our brand-new Dem Recorder Adrian Fontes says he already has people calling him asking to ‘unregister’ because they don’t want Tweety McCuntface and his Shit Cabal having any access to their voter info.

    • fifthdentist

      Phew, good thing I’ve already got dibs on “Tweety McCuntface and his Cabal of Shit.”

  • Ryan Denniston

    A strange game.The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

    • smokefilledroommate

      Do you know what your state is doing?

  • Khavrinen

    “they don’t trust the commission, which is expected to skew the data to support Republican claims of massive voter fraud, and to recommend restrictions on voting rights.”

    I am simply shocked that people would suspect something like that about Republicans. Why, it’s almost like they’ve met some or something.

  • Relativicus

    I particularly like the vow that the info would be kept on a secure server. I mean, who isn’t consoled by that?

    Also, I particularly particularly like that Trump is so dumb he’ll bring up states having something to hide while continuing to hide his tax returns. Trump puts the “oblivious” in “That man is fucking oblivious.” And millions hang on his every word.

    • fifthdentist

      Hell, the NSA was hacked.

  • Jay Silversmith

    Is this even legal? Can one person just decide to collect all information on every single voter in America? He’s even asking for ss number, birthdate, voting history, criminal history….like those type facts aren’t exactly what russians already hacked. Don the con refuses to turn over his academic records, his health records, his tax returns, or anything that isn’t a lie, but we are supposed to just give him all our records for voter suppression and so he can exact revenge on those who didn’t vote for him?? STFU.

  • Alan
  • fifthdentist

    The upside?
    Trump’s going to be able to compile a bigger enemies list than Nixon and Stalin combined!

  • dslindc

    I’m typically not pro-Mississippi, but that statement is awesome. Also, if places that Republican are saying no (Utah is also not complying), it’s a pretty strong red flag that the commission is full of shit.

  • UpstateNYObserver

    Voter suppression as will be practiced by the existing power structure of the United States will result in fundamental and largely irreversible damage. The USSC will be theirs, the legislature and Presidency. They’re going to do whatever is required to hold on to power. There are no longer rules that won’t be broken on a massive scale. I thank the Jill Stein acolytes and Bernie bots from the bottom of my heart for their yeoman like work to help destroy this country. We’re watching the reality of utter disdain for democracy so now Stein or Bernie types tell me, evidence and fact based – not propaganda, how Hillary would have been the same as this shitbird?

    • girdyerloins

      Too shallow a perspective. Go further back in history to discover the anti-democratic trend has always existed, nevermind that even the founders admitted their imperial aims and concerns for the folks who typically bankroll such endeavors.
      Stein and Sanders were farts in the wind. More damage has been done to democracy by the vast assortment of citizens who’ve bought into all the fearmongering cockamamie bogeyman hunts concocted by all the oligarchs of the times.
      Don’t forget how long, for instance, how long it took to get blacks and women on the voter rolls. Oh, and take a peek at the historical record, say, of the period immediately following that glorious civil war back a century or so, to get an idea of the wild voting baccanal the two parities engaged in to further their handlers’ aims.

  • Delu

    Meanwhile, Trumpians are still just as against a government “gun registry” while being silent to what is happening.

    News at 8.

  • killerpizza

    There is no longer anything even close to a fucking “secure site” moron.
    My local hospital’s pay online vendor site got hacked. They got ALL the info including the security # on the back of the card.
    Think of the money the oval office could make selling all that information on EVERYBODY IN THE USA…!!
    grifters gonna grift

  • Marion in Savannah

    And, of course, Georgia’s Secretary of State rolled over like an obedient puppy and is sending all of our voter information…

  • simplejmalarkey

    About an hour ago, Redder than Red Louisiana joined equally Red Mississippi to say “Nuh uh, No Way”. Sec of State merely said it was “federal intrusion and overreach” rather than call it the flagrant fraudulent lie it was. Sigh. Least we done somethin’ right, and onward.

  • Last Hussar

    I still find the whole “registered affiliation” thing weird.

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