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It is hard to imagine, at this point, that there are any damn people left in this country who think that Bill Cosby is not a rapist. Yet somehow, someway, some portion of the jury in the sexual assault case against him, were among those people.

On Saturday morning, Judge Steven O’Neill announced that the jury was hopelessly deadlocked in the sexual assault case against Cosby and declared a mistrial. Which is good in the way that Cosby will be tried again and prosecutors have said he will be tried again, but also bad in the way that we have to keep going through this shit. Shit which is made all the more exasperating by Bill Cosby himself doing Fat Albert impressions on his way out of court.

The jury deliberated the case for 52 hours and was unable to come to a conclusion either way, in the case in which Cosby was charged with three counts of aggravated indecent assault.

In case you are thinking “But Bill Cosby (allegedly) sexually assaulted SO MANY WOMEN! Which one was this?,” I will refresh your memory. The victim in this case was Andrea Constand, the former manager of the Temple University basketball team, who accused Cosby of drugging and molesting her at his Philadelphia home in 2004. As he is (allegedly) wont to do.

Camille Cosby, who is just the worst, really, issued a statement following the judge’s declaration, blaming lawyers and “the media” for her husband’s downfall:

“How do I describe the District Attorney? Heinously and exploitively ambitious. How do I describe the judge? Overtly and arrogantly collaborating with the District Attorney. How do I describe the counsels for the accusers? Totally unethical. How do I describe many, but not all, general media? Blatantly vicious entities that continually disseminated intentional omissions of truths for the primary purpose of greedily selling sensationalism at the expense of a human life.”

Oh, Camille. None of us enjoy this. Really! Speaking as someone in the media who has reported on your husbands proclivities for at least two years now, and as someone who knows a lot of other women in the media — I promise you that not a single one of us is particularly enthralled by having to report on the dozens of accusations against your husband. Because it’s actually really, really disturbing and upsetting. This is not a good time for us, but it is necessary, and that’s why we do it. If your husband hadn’t gone and drugged and assaulted dozens of women throughout his lifetime without ever being held accountable, we could all be writing about something else right now! Maybe something nice, about kittens, even — although in this political climate, it’s pretty rare. But trust me, literally no one is going around saying “Gee, I’m so glad Bill Cosby (allegedly) sexually assaulted a fuckton of women, so that we get to report on it!” Trust me, that is not a thing.

Sigh. If we have learned any one lesson this week, it is that JURIES ARE GARBAGE AND OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS FUCKED. Seriously.

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  • Bill D. Burger
    • Ryan Denniston

      No doubt agents in the deep state are leaking to the journalistas.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

    any idea what the guilty/not guilty ratio was?

    • Parakeetist

      Haven’t heard yet. I really want to know.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      5/7 what I read.

      or 7/5.

      • SadDemInTex

        Holy crap…I can’t believe that more than one person thought he was innocent.

        • Robbertjan Brandenburg

          No I am sorry I misread it: I was: Judge Steven O’Neill declared the jury of seven men and five woman and I read that as 5 vs 7

        • Yr. Gma

          That’s why we have trials, so the accused can be judged objectively and not just in the press. (No, I’m not defending Cosby, but I do believe in the rule of law and due process.)

  • Ryan Denniston

    Luckily, comments are not allowed.

  • Michael R
    • Ryan Denniston

      Nah, man, that number should read 24601.

  • DainBramage

    When a celebrity as big as Bill Cosby is on trial and the allegations against him are so well known, does that mean that the jury selection process will winnow out anyone who knows anything about anything?

    • Angela Ruzzo

      I don’t know. What I do know is that a coworker was once called to jury duty and she received a FORTY-TWO page questionnaire to fill out in advance, that asked dozens of incredibly stupid, irrelevant and invasive questions such as – and I am not kidding here – what she ate for breakfast, and if it was cereal, what brand? I have no idea why they wanted to know this, but I do know the coworker was semi-literate and asked me to help them fill it in. The semi-literate coworker was selected for jury duty.

      • Yr. Gma

        I’ll bet it was the Frosted Flakes that cinched it.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Very possibly. Honestly, I had midterms in grad school that were shorter and easier than that jury questionnaire. I had no idea they do that.

      • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

        we spent a day or two on picking juries in criminal law class (in community college).

        An interesting process, there may have been aspects of the case that made those questions relevant.

        I will leave it at that as we have actual, very experienced attorneys here at wonkette.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Well some of the questions were very personal, and I would have refused to answer them. I wonder what they do if you refuse to fill in the entire questionnaire, but instead write “N/B” (none of your business) in some of the blanks.

          Another friend, white female highly educated, got called to serve on a jury to decide the guilt of a babysitter who allegedly injured an infant in her care. They asked her if she had ever had any children, she said no, and then they asked her WHY she didn’t have children, which was none of their business. As she was 43 and had never married, I think they were trying to get her to say she was a lesbian (she isn’t, but people often assume she is) or that she didn’t like children.

          • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

            if I had to, i’d guess the latter – but again, not a lawyer, no experience with juries.

      • MrTusks

        The breakfast question was to test memory.

  • Yr. Gma

    Gpa is a jury guy. Always goes for the call. Always ends up on a jury. His assessment of his fellow jurors is usually positive. He says that although there may be some dolts among the group, most are serious about doing the right thing. He says the problems he’s seen are almost always with the lawyers presenting the cases, prosecution or defense. He says he and his fellow jurors always have questions about the case that neither lawyer answers. I don’t know what happened with Cosby (and there is plenty of evidence outside the courtroom that he is a predator) but it’s possible that the prosecution (in this case) didn’t do the job of proving him guilty. I will wait to hear more details before I condemn the jurors who couldn’t agree with the others.

    • tomamitai

      That’s what I was thinking, until I read this excerpt from Cosby’s deposition in a civil case:

      Q: So, you’re not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission?

      A: I didn’t say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I’m not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don’t remember fully what it is, but it’s there and I can feel. I got her skin and it’s just above the hand and it’s
      just above where you can go under the pants.

      Q: Then what happens?

      A: I don’t hear her say anything. And I don’t feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.

      If the jury got to see this, there’s no way I can see for them to reasonably doubt that this was rape. I know, there are people who think women who accept drinks from men in private are consenting to whatever happens next, but fuck them, they are assholes.

      • MrTusks

        Apparently the reasonable doubt was that Cosby wasn’t quite sure if he was raping her or not!

  • Jenny

    Jesus christ Camille, don’t act like you didn’t know what he was up to.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      Thank you!

      Even is she was absolutely blind at the time, she has the benefit of hindsight NOW. With all that’s been revealed, names, dates, everything, she HAS to have put two-and-two together.

    • Miss Dill

      She apparently has that same type of blindness (or willful ignorance) that Dottie Sandusky has.

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    That clip where he does his Fat Albert. . . I have no idea how to put those feelings into words but I will try. Surreally creepy. A glimpse into how truly disturbed a human being can get. Enraging. Sickening. More thoughts that are not in violation of commenting rules but I can assure you that you do not want in your head.

    Nobody “likes” any of this. We want it over and done with. More than anything, we want Cosby to have never done any of it in the first place. We want to scrub our childhood memories of all traces of him. What we see now is who he has always been, we just hadn’t seen it when we were children.

    Nobody likes being lied too, Camille. You might know thing or two about that.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Ok, let me be a little devil’s advocate here: There was only one case on trial right? So maybe the jury could have convicted him on all other 59 cases but just weren’t convinced about this particular case? For the record I am not familiar with the whole jury thing so I might be completely wrong but this was what I thought as an outsider who is used to have an actual judge with a law degree doing the judgement and conviction and legal stuff.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      Convincing the jury of the facts of the case was not the problem. They all agreed on the facts. The problem is that a lot of people do not understand that a woman’s consent is not optional.
      http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/16/1672485/-Cosby-jury-deadlock-proves-that-some-of-us-don-t-understand-that-consent-isn-t-optional

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Blooddy hell. Well then we can pretty much guess which jury members could not decide.

        • Lori

          If you mean the men, that’s not necessarily the case. Plenty of women have really screwed up notions about rape (see comments above) and as a result are a prosecutor’s nightmare as jurors on a rape case.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            And that’s why the whole jury idea is as ridiculous as Stephen Hawking on the 100 meter dash against Usain Bolt.

      • Shanzgood 20 Days

        The definition of rape should have been part of the judge’s instruction to the jury. I was on a jury for a murder trial a year or two ago and we were given very clear instructions on how to decide which of the charges the defendant was guilty of.

        This sickens me.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          I agree. But a lot of people do not understand the definition of rape. There is a line somewhere in the Old Testament where it says if a man rapes a woman in a town and she does not scream, then they must both be stoned. It makes no mention of the woman being knocked out, having a knife held to her throat, being gagged, or being drugged.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      well, the statute of limitations has run on a bunch of those cases – so he can’t be prosecuted.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Well maybe he will run into a white cop.

        /With votes.

  • Ryan Denniston

    “How do I describe the District Attorney?
    Heinously and exploitively ambitious. How do I describe the judge?
    Overtly and arrogantly collaborating with the District Attorney. How do I
    describe the counsels for the accusers? Totally unethical. How do I
    describe many, but not all, general media? Blatantly vicious entities
    that continually disseminated intentional omissions of truths for the
    primary purpose of greedily selling sensationalism at the expense of a
    human life.”

    Camille, these are answers to questions that literally no one would ask! Well, except for maybe Trump.

    • Yr. Gma

      She’s his wife. What did you expect her to say?

      • Lori

        Nothing? That would probably have been a good option. If she felt like she had to say something she could have just made some vague noises about being sure he’ll be vindicated in a future trial. It was her choice to go on the attack and it doesn’t speak well of her.

        No one deserves any slack for being a rapist’s ride or die chick, wedding ring or no.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      How do I describe a wife who enables her rapist husband?
      How do I describe how much social convention and noncommenting rules prevent me from answering any of these questions?

      Ghaaaaaaaa! Shut up, Camille!

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    A pretty good friend of mine-and a woman no less-is one of these people that think all of Cosby’s accusers are lying gold diggers, and why would a man as rich and famous as him need to drug and assault women for sex? I was….aghast. I argued with her so vehemently, it nearly ended our friendship.

    • nightmoth

      Criminey. I could give you the titles of some books to ask her to read, but it probably wouldn’t do any good. I used to work at a rape crisis center. Rich and famous men can most certainly be rapists. It has nothing to do with money. It has everything to do with feeling omnipotent. But you and I both know that. Too bad you couldn’t get through to your closed-minded acquaintance.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I kept telling her to read “Missoula”. It got so heated, she wasn’t listening anymore. In virtually every other way, a highly decent person and very out of character for her. I think her husband agreed with me bust wasn’t ABOUT to pipe in at that point. The things you learn about others sometimes, yeah?

        • nightmoth

          Wow, That makes me think there’s something unpleasant in her past that she hasn’t acknowledged.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Frankly, I’ve wondered the same thing.

          • Shanzgood 20 Days

            Not necessarily. A lot of people- even women – don’t want to accept that sexual assault can be perpetrated by people you wouldn’t think “need” to do it. Because if they acknowledge that it can happen to pretty much anyone through no fault of their own, they have to acknowledge that it could happen to them as well.

          • Lori

            This.

            Plenty of women are consciously or unconsciously very invested in the “asking for it” myth because it makes them feel safe. They follow the rules, they’re smart. They’re good women, not sluts. They don’t “ask for it” and therefore it can’t happen to them. That feeling of safety is an illusion, but it’s an illusion many women will cling to even after it’s shattered in the worst possible way.

            One of the bedrock problems in dealing wit rape culture is that very few men have any sense whatsoever of how pervasive fear of sexual assault is for women.

          • nightmoth

            We think of “white privilege” as getting goodies and getting away with stuff because of being Caucasian, but feeling invulnerable is an aspect of white privilege that often gets people in serious trouble. Particularly young white people who have living in their bubbles.

    • Lori

      Your friend was right that Cosby didn’t need to drug & assault women for sex. Her problem is that she thinks his actions were about sex. They were not. He didn’t do it for sex, he did it for control. It was a display of dominance, not horniness.

      Rich & famous or poor & unknown, no one drugs and assaults women for sex. Rape is not about being unable to get sex any other way. Rape is not really about sex at all. Rape is a crime of violence, sex is the weapon.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Precisely. Of course, I tried to explain exactly this to her, thinking maybe it was a teachable moment. At some point, she just got dug in and wouldn’t budge.

        • Lori

          You did what you could do. Maybe something you said will click with her later.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            I hope so. She’s an otherwise thoughtful lib…to the point I was shocked to hear her take on Cosby.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      My dad said something similar a couple of years ago. Something about the women doing it for attention. My mom and I screamed at him for several minutes over it and told him never to mention it again.

      It came up again in conversation not more than a couple of months ago, and I reminded Dad what he had said, and he was, like, “I said that? Really? What a dumb thing for me to say.”

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Great story. So the theory of evolution is true then?

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Probably the closest to #woke that I can hope for.

  • Blackest Noobs

    Camille Cosby has the right to make her comments but it kinda leaves us all dumbfounded that she is still ok with The Cos fucking other women.

    that’s their argument…that all these ladies willingly fucked the Cos…Billy did no rapey because they want him to drug them and sleep with them or molest them.

    to me that’s the most WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG with Camille thing.

    • Yr. Gma

      Marriage is a strange thing.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        True dat, as the kids these days say.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      If she is okay with him consensually fucking other women, that is okay and totally their business. But of course that is not even in the ballpark of what he is accused of.

    • nightmoth

      Camille is an enabler. One of the victims, who was quite young at the time, said Camille left the living room and went upstairs to bed after Bill Cosby gave her the spiked drink. Also, I read an interview with Mrs. Cosby years ago, before any of this stuff broke, and she really likes being rich. Who wouldn’t, right? But maybe not so much you’d do anything to protect the cash cow.

      • Wookie Monster

        Ten bucks says if he goes to prison she’ll file for divorce and take all the money to the Cayman Islands.

        • Predisenting Ron

          Five says the situation is covered in the pre-nup. If she walks, for ANY reason, she walks away broke.

          • Wookie Monster

            That’s why she’ll hide the money in the Caymans.

        • NurseRatched

          You don’t have ten bucks to your name!

          • Wookie Monster

            Who are you again?

      • Peggy Ryan

        See Melanoma Trump.

        • SterWonk

          As someone who lost a father-figure to melanoma, can we please not use that as a nick-name for the current FLOTUS? It’s an insult to her, and to the disease.

      • Blackest Noobs

        i know but pretty fucking sad. money, materialism, it’s not worth your soul.

        • nightmoth

          Well-said. The past few days, I’ve been looking at Newt Gingrich and Donald Trump and thinking,”You guys aren’t getting any younger. Do you REALLY want to go to your graves leaving behind a legacy of lies and hate?”

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            That’s my problem too. Part of me thinks it boils down to narcissism. Some people simply cannot believe there is anything bigger than themselves. All reality blinked into existence the moment they were born and will blink out the moment they die. Why leave anything behind when you think you’re the master of the damned universe?

          • Predisenting Ron

            Honestly? I don’t think any of them would understand the question.

          • Miss Dill

            IK,R?

      • MrTusks

        Takes a gold digger to know a gold digger?

  • Anna Elizabeth

    OT Nice time:

    Somepony sent me a gift: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/622723247b9bf98debdae984bdc6fa71726154ff6a99bd5a308027f8cf7a632d.jpg

    It’s a pin of an M1 Abrams tank, looks like an M1 ‘slick’ and I love it! :D Thank you so much! ~hugs~

    I wore it to walk to the store. 105F, but they had Watermelon Cucumber Lemonade on sale, and Ima sucker for stuffs like that. :)

    • Yr. Gma

      105F? You’re nuts, Anna! I’m glad you made it home alive.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        xD It’s Pueblo, Gramma. If I was afraid of heat, I’d never be able to leave my home. I wore loads of SPF 70, and lo and behold, flat shoes.

        • Yr. Gma

          Well, thank god for the flat shoes!

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      COOL!

      Aaaaand you could use all the cool you can get, what with you having walked through the literal Sun.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        xD Thanx. I got my mile in, and some food. I’ll probably start going out earlier now that it’s Summer.

        • Predisenting Ron

          May I suggest pre-dawn?

          • Anna Elizabeth

            It’s nice for a walk, but no stores are open. :D

          • Predisenting Ron

            Even better. Best time to go looking for… bargains.

    • mancityRed6

      cool pin
      it’s another day of “89 feeling like 99” here
      also, this
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4ca82418f18bd303bc692a7962dca477f9e1d6d13d4d15e38ec25155b0154bb9.png
      you bet your sweet ass I’ll be outside when it happens.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        xD Yay rain! I wish we would get some. My sweet ass will be out in it in my bikini if it rains.

    • Miss Dill

      Very cool pin!!!

      • Anna Elizabeth

        It really is. It’s even cooler to have friends that pay attention to what I like for hobbies and Fashion accessories. :)

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    How do I describe Bill Cosby? Heinously and exploitively rapey. How do I describe Bill Cosby? Overtly and arrogantly rapey. How do I describe Bill Cosby? Totally unethical rapist. How do I describe Bill Cosby?
    Blatantly vicious rapist that continually disseminated intentional omissions of truths for the primary purpose of greedily raping at the expense of human lives.

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      You really don’t need so many adjectives. Rapist suffices.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Other than that…

      • natoslug

        Kind of dickish, and obsessed with pudding pops?

    • Miss Dill

      Even before all the rape stuff came out I’d found him insufferable and not funny for years. He’d just ramble…it was weird and not funny but people gave him credit because he used to be so funny and talented. So when the rape stuff came out, I wasn’t actually surprised. Sad, but not surprised. I think his fame really went to his head and hanging out with Hef probably didn’t help.
      Such a huge waste for so many people. Sad.

  • Anna Elizabeth

    If Cosby was sleeping around, and Camille was cool with it, I’d have zero issue. I do Open relationships myself.

    This isn’t about sex, it’s about dominance, control, hurting women. Cosby is a rapist. It saddens me. I grew up with Cosby. Fat Albert, the basketball coach, Cliff Huxtable. I have watched ‘The Cosby Show’ so very many many times. I had thought Cosby was a good man, a role model, a father I’d want to have.

    He is instead much more like the father I did have.

    • Yr. Gma

      Yes. Let’s not condemn Camille for turning a blind eye to infidelity. It’s the rapey part we should condemn.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        Exactly. My thing is Safe, Sane, Consensual.

        Rape is none of those things.

    • SadDemInTex

      I’m so with you on this!

    • Snopes Shop

      It’s about drugging and raping women.

  • Caustic Elvisfellow

    At least a retrial will cost him more in lawyerly buckage. But DON’T FUCK IT UP THIS TIME.

  • SadDemInTex

    I wonder what changed…about 30 years ago there was an article on Cosby that mentioned that he wore a bracelet with Camille’s name on it (or something that said “I am Camille’s husband”). He said it was to remind him abouty her all the time. In retrospect that was really strange if she was actuallly ok with him fucking other women. (The implication, not said out loud by Cosby, was that he had cheated on her and she was very angry about it).

  • Anna Elizabeth

    There are many male celebrities, like Michael Dorn, Idris Elba, or Taylor Kitsch, that if they ask me for sex I’d be on them in a second.

    Cosby was not “sleeping around”, not “a Tomcat”. He was drugging and raping women.

    When I think of the Cliff Huxtable lectures on drugs and premartial sex on ‘The Cosby Show’, they now make me want to cry. How can anyone be so two-faced, so hurtful and sick and go on television and lecture the rest of us?

    • SadDemInTex

      Because sociopaths are actually great at acting….acting like normal humans, having proper emotions regarding conduct,etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were many very fine actors that are sociopaths in their private lives.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        That makes sense.

        I’ve never understood it. I wanted to be a soldier my whole life. Not necessarily to hurt anyone, though a willingness to do violence is a part.

        But not this, to hurt and use and laugh about ot in court.

      • Ryan Denniston

        So sociopathy is ruled out for Trump.

        • brian_x

          The way I heard it (pre-DSM V anyway) is that sociopaths can fake being normal, but psychopaths have a much harder time hiding their dysfunctional behavior. I think the definitions have been reshuffled since though.

    • Ryan Denniston

      When you’re a star, they let you do it.

      • natoslug

        Especially when you’re a star, and you drug them so that they can’t resist. It’s a special charm, that level of celebrity.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Those weren’t tic-tacs in his pocket.

        Gallows humor all the way down.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      I know how you feel, Anna. This is not a moral issue. My outrage is not based in morality, it’s based in. . . He hurt people. Not in the nebulous way a serial cheater hurts people but in the way a damned predator hurts people, He hurt people the SAME way Ted Bundy hurt some of the people he didn’t bother to kill. He has the same basic pathology of a John Wayne Gacy. I am not pursuing that line any further. Suffice it to say, I know a great many details about a great many things I would never force into anyone else’s head.

      On a more personal note with this, I grew up with Bill Cosby. My mother loved his records, his shows, all of it. I have the same damned birthday as the man. Yeah, I have a problem. My problem is that I am absolutely thrilled my mother died six year ago because this shit would have killed her. My problem is that like an IDIOT, I memorized his stupid bits and now that it just so much rotten meat in my brain that I cannot get rid of. My problem is that he made people suffer and they kept letting him get away with it. My problem is the same as it’s been since I was three years old, everyone is a fucking monster wearing human skin.

      I am sorry. I will move along.

      • Anna Elizabeth

        ~hugs~ No need for Apology Jack. I can relate. I used to study the FBI Behavioral Sciences Unit, and famous serial killers.

        And, I used to do a pretty epic Cosby impersonation. I haven’t done that in quite a while. Hell, I own much of ‘The Cosby Show’ on DVD

        • Pisto75666

          I dragged out my Cosby Show DVD’s this week (I was a big fan growing up and you couldn’t turn on a TV back then and miss a channel that showed the reruns), and honestly I still really like the show (but then I feel guilty about it.)

          • Anna Elizabeth

            I still watch it too. I especially like episodes about Theo.

      • Yr. Gma

        Can you separate the comedian parts from the man himself? He was playing a character, and that guy was funny, but it wasn’t the man himself. I try to do that with actors I whose personal lives I don’t like but whose work I want to see. (Well, that definitely does not apply to Tom Cruise.) I was never much of a Cosby fan to begin with, so I guess it comes easier to me.

        • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

          I am honestly trying, Gma.

          • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

            It’s hard. I have the same feelings about watching the Naked Gun movies with O.J. in them. I know he’s a skell, I know he did horrible things. But Nordberg isn’t O.J. – he’s a character O.J. is playing. He’s reading a script.
            Same (to a lesser extent simply because I think their politics are shitty) with watching Adam Baldwin or James Woods.

          • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

            We’re all having this conversation a lot lately. To me, it started with Roman Polanski, then went into Woody Allen and so-on. Sometimes I can look past things and revisit what I used to love before I knew they were monsters, other times it’s just not possible. I can’t really account for it.

          • Miss Dill

            I used to love Woody Allen, but now I can’t stand any reminder of him, let alone see him appear anywhere. That’s how vile I think what he did is. Not that he cares.

  • Jgb979

    You know: just one of those he said/she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said stories.

    “Hey hey hey”. Glad he’s taking it seriously.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      i bet if I count there would actually be 59 of those (or whatever the total is).

      • Jgb979

        Over 50 (wasn’t sure of the exact total now)

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          i heard it was around 60, but couldn’t remember the exact number. (Which is fuckin’ terrible when you think about it).

          • theCryptofishist

            I hope they are each individually remembered by their families and friends and lawyers and some people beyond that, but that this is not the defining thing in their lives.
            (Which, shit, it may be. How many of them will have obituaries? And how many of those obituaries will have a varient “… who accused Bill Cosby of drugging and raping her” as the 2nd half of the first sentence?

          • Jgb979

            The sad thing is:

            Whatever the official total is.

            The unofficial total is at least 3x

          • theCryptofishist

            Sad indeed.

  • Raan
  • mancityRed6

    if I heard right, which maybe, maybe not…doesn’t he still have the case of him and the minor to go? since she was under 18, there isn’t a statute of limitation on the charges?

    • Yr. Gma

      Is that the Gloria Allred client? (I know, I know, everyone is Gloria Allred’s client.)

      • mancityRed6

        no idea, honestly. some things in life I try not to think too much about.

  • William
    • Raan

      Truly, the stream of time is a long and confusing one.

      • TJ Barke

        Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.

        • theCryptofishist

          Eddie’s in the space time continuum?

          • Naytch

            It’s how the pyramids got built!

    • mancityRed6

      Cube doing those movies and Ice T being a cop in a show? yeah, go back to ’89 and tell them about that.

    • Grokenstein

      Being transported en masse to some Bizarro World would help explain a few things.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvW-ZGNjBYc

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Dave Chappelle has a great bit on Cosby. He admits he idolized him, and hated to think he was guilty, but after the 24th woman came forward, he had to admit he was guilty.

    Want to go Free in America? Be rich!

    • Raan

      “Oh, Kojack did that shit.”

    • theCryptofishist

      Was it Hannibal Burress (sp?) who did that whole “Excuse me Bill, you raped women” thing? I saw it a couple of years ago, and still remember.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        Yep, Hannibal Burress was the comedian that really made the public aware of the allegations .

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I think HB is the person who was really responsible for calling Cosby out, generating a lot of buzz about it, and getting more women to come forward. He did America a public service.

        • SterWonk

          IIRC, the same thing was also mentioned by several woman comedians at around the same time, and was largely ignored. But then when Burress said it, attention was paid. Nothing against him, just pointing out that he was hardly the first to raise the flag that was finally seen.

          • theCryptofishist

            Oh yeah, I remember hearing that. This is so fucked up in so many ways.

        • MrTusks

          There is a gag in 30 Rock, before all of this came out, where someone is doing a Cosby impression over the phone with Tracy, and Tracy gets all pissed off because he didn’t forget what Cosby did to his aunt.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I am a 30 Rock fanatic. That show was so full of little jewels that they’d slide in, that unless you were really paying attention, you’d miss the wit. I always thought that show didn’t get the recognition and adulation that it deserved.

  • mancityRed6

    I grew up on Fat Albert. and, oh hell, just like most of America I watched the Cosby show and even watched the spin off. and dad watched his comedy shows when we got the VCR. it’s hard to even fathom the why. he didn’t need to, fuck he was damn famous enough to get anything he wanted. I try to wrap my brain around the why and it comes back empty. I just can’t even.

    • Ms.MLG on Maui

      Because rape isn’t about sex. It’s about a sick need to control others. Drugging his victims is another aspect of that need for complete control over them. Consensual sex was never gonna satisfy that. There is no why, other than that he’s a rapist, and rape is what rapists do. What he wanted was to rape, and that’s what he did.

      • mancityRed6

        then that’s what I can’t comprehend. I need the affirmation that I’m doing things correctly, like getting an eye exam, “better 1 or better 2?”
        that is a hell of a perspective you gave me, but you’re right.

      • Canned Covfefe

        Sorry, I have to yell. THISTHISTHISTHISTHIS!!ll

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      History is littered with famous people who were “damn famous enough” to get whatever they wanted and still engaged in behavior that was reprehensible, if not criminal. Fame, like any sort of power, is an aphrodisiac – to a certain type of people it’s more a matter of “wanting what they cannot have”. And when they take what they cannot have, the belief of “Well, who’s going to believe you?!? You’re a nobody! I’m a star!” is often stronger than the most powerful opioid.

      • Ω cynmac will never surrender

        ‘Do you know who I am’?

        • theCryptofishist

          Can I get that on a tee shirt?

    • theCryptofishist

      Remember he didn’t start out famous. Whatever warping that he had from birth, or that he was born with may well have been still active, even 50 years later. Also, he may never have developed a sense of worth, or at least not around that. (Depending on how accurate cheap pop psychology is.) And there was a 3rd thing, that I may remember and add later.
      And this concludes our “Rape Apology with the Cryptofishist” except it’s not. Fuck him. He’s a creepy, rapey dude, and I hope they put him away at the re-trial, or that if not that his wife keeps him on a fucking leash for the rest of his life. Everything that people say below me is also as true or truer. This is so twisted that all sorts of things add to it, and we’re not going just have a simple answer/fix. So there?

      • mancityRed6

        if I’m gonna get horizontal with someone (or any other position), I very much prefer to hear approval or hints or downright commands to do something different. that’s where I have the trouble.

        • Shanzgood 20 Days

          You have trouble because you’re not a rapist. Rapists like to hear “no” or at least don’t care about a Yes. Apparently, Cosby liked them incapable of doing either.

          • mancityRed6

            a “yes” is appreciated and expected, if I don’t hear it I’ll work harder, I guess.
            I can’t imagine it any other way.

          • Shanzgood 20 Days

            That’s how it’s supposed to work for everyone.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    I NEVER liked Bill Cosby, and I NEVER knew why, until this came out. I found it odd that America’s dad used to hang at the Playboy mansion. I thought he was a huge hypocrite, but I NEVER suspected he was a rapust.

    • mancityRed6

      see, I only ever saw him from fat albert on. and even his comedy specials were about being a dad. I didn’t see his earlier stuff until I had moved on and liked someone else more.
      *please don’t let anything like this come out about Richard Pryor*

      • Caustic Elvisfellow

        Pryor was, hate to say it, quite brutal to the women close to him. It was no easy feat to outdo him on the cruelty score, but Cosby found a way.

        ETA: This does not alter my judgment that Pryor was the funniest motherfucker ever, while Cosby’s humor was annoying even way before I realized it.

        • mancityRed6

          I read his semi autobiography…the coke use with Sanford…and his young life…I’m not going to apologise for it, it was fucked. I’m just hoping nothing like this comes out.

        • theCryptofishist

          I never like Cosby’s humor, either, because it was loud and obnoxious and there was some sort of condescending stuff going on in the Cosby Show. He was also black, and while I hate racism and wish it to end, there’s no point in my pretending that I didn’t have a case of that national disease. In Berkeley the white kids were children of professors and doctors and lawyers and the black kids were the children and maybe grandchildren of people who came to work in the shipyards and other factories during the war. We had our own neighborhoods, were on different rungs of the socio=economic ladder and I didn’t know how to bridge the gaps. Although, I already had a huge dose of white guilt. Anyway, his humor seemed loud and obnoxious and disruptive, like one of the black boys “acting out”, when I just wanted class go on so I could learn, or at least quietly read a book, if I already know what was going on. There was also an introvert/extrovert thing going on, I’m sure.

          (My description of the demographics of the Berkeley Public Schools socio-economic mileau in the 70s is incomplete and very much a rough out line. If you must know more, I suppose you can ask.)

          • SadDemInTex

            My impression of Berkeley in the 70’s was it was pretty much white in the public schools and affluent. And that the majority of inhabitants were college students in any case. Oakland, on the other hand, was where people of color lived and the public schools reflected that and there were a lot of poor people living there. I was in the public schools of San Francisco and the demographic was 40%Asian, 40%Black, 20% Other(White, Hispanic, etc.) The socio-economic demographic was much more diverse in those days. You didn’t have to be extremely well off to live in any of those cities. And there was a lot of turmoil. Now…that diversity has vanished in any meaningful way.

          • theCryptofishist

            There was a good number of african american children in my schools. After all, there would be no need for us to have been the first school district in the country to institute busing voluntarily if there was no diversity. Nowadays, it’s a solid bet that any children of white doctors, lawyers, and professors are going to private schools. And, yes, to buy a home in town is a million or more…
            Less certain of the make up of San Francisco back then. Again, it’s getting pretty mono-culture ethnically now.

          • SadDemInTex

            I was in the San Francisco school system. My designation of 40/40/20 was what it was (I’m a 5th generation SF). I don’t even recognize the place anymore

          • SadDemInTex

            This is not to say we all weren’t in segregated neighborhoods. We were. I lived in the Richmond district which was largely Asian. Our high school was the best integrated because they bussed in kids from Hunter’s Point. And even then well to do white families sent their kids to private schools. They wanted to bus me to Hunter’s Point but my family made a huge fuss so I got to stay in my neighborhood

        • desida

          Richard Pryor was also pretty straightforward about how fucked up he was. He did some terrible things, but he also didn’t try to hide that fact. Cosby’s self-presentation as a moral authority and insistence on lecturing other people about their own behaviour makes his actions that much worse, imo.

  • Paperless Tiger

    The lady called Cosby 53 times after the incident, evidently to continue the relationship for business or personal reasons. Now she wants the court to punish Cosby for something she herself was willing to overlook at the time to pursue her ambitions. I’m surprised any juror would fall for that.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Let me put this as politely as I can. THAT IS NOT A DEFENSE TO RAPE! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8b0eaba03a8bfa664c4f1c129fc99682944f384b7e9bf3c1e29a9e927b655176.gif

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      Really, asshole? Is that why she called him Do you have tape recordings?

      If you do, what the fuck are you going to do if that’s your job? Not call one of your shcool’s biggest donors?

      PS – please ban him, but leave this up as a warning

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      If you read the literature associated with acquaintance sexual assault, the victims very often don’t behave in the way you maybe think they should. That doesn’t mean they haven’t been assaulted.

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        Exactly. The SCIENCE associated with it.

    • Shanzgood 20 Days

      There’s no such thing as a “perfect victim” in a sexual assault case. The standards are unachievable for a reason. It’s called rape culture.

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        THANK YOU!!

    • Yr. Gma

      Asshole here isn’t very articulate, but he does point out that the defense had this to work with and it worked on at least one juror.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        While I can’t speak for Paperless Tiger’s motivations or feelings on the subject, he raises a valid point- that’s precisely the type of thing that a good defense atty can use to sway a jury. Fair or not (spoiler alert: IT’S NOT), this is why rape cases can be so hard to prosecute

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          It’s only recently that a number of good prosecutors have realized they have to educate juries about this issue, about some of the non-intuitive ways that victims react to assault. A lot of old “common sense” tropes about how a rape victim should behave in the aftermath don’t bear up when it is date or acquaintance rape…by far the most common variety.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Exactly- more of those “things everyone knows are true” that actually aren’t…

          • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

            And really, we still have a long, long way to go on “rape shield” laws. There are still ways, even with the laws in place, that defense attorneys are getting the victim’s sexual history in.

          • theCryptofishist

            “Common sense” is a myth. Sure, there’s some sort of “fire is hot” stuff that we learn as a kid, and that’s a bunch of rules of thumb that we use in daily live our whole lives. But the social mores and behavior predicting stuff is total shit.

          • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

            In my line of work we joke that if we could enforce a policy of using common sense, we’d be out of a job.

      • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

        It’s why they didn’t put on any witnesses or let him take the stand. I really, really want to hear how the jury was divided? Was it 11-1, or 7-5? Who was holding out?

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          that is an interesting question- how many jurors did the defense team get to?

          • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

            We’ll find out. I’m sure before the end of next weekend one of these shows will have some of the jurors on to do the “EXCLUSIVE INSIDE LOOK” story.

          • theCryptofishist

            Excuse my while I go throw up.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        According to the few things I’ve read about the actual trial, the defense pretty much pulled out every rape culture myth out of the playbook.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          There was a time when I thought maybe we were advancing as a society, but in the age of Trump, the “bitch set me up” defense is alive and well.

        • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

          Including the defense’s closing being a histrionic pounding of the table and screaming that the victims in the gallery were the ones driving this.
          Frankly, I’m amazed the judge didn’t rein him in when he started going full-throat.

        • Shanzgood 20 Days

          That’s one of the reasons I stopped reading about it after the umpteenth woman came forward.

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            I stopped reading it early because I was 9 when I heard this Bill Cosby bit and I’ve thought he was a creep ever since. *nsfw*
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx6KAd_Su3I

          • Shanzgood 20 Days

            Oh fuck, I stopped at Spanish Fly. Can’t do it, sorry.

          • Ω cynmac will never surrender

            Understood. And that is why my parents hid this album. But I found it, was squigged out and never got over it.
            Ask any black person over 50 how old they were when they heard ‘Spanish Fly’ and you will understand why there are not many of us defending Bill Cosby. For me, it was 9. For my brother, it was 13.

        • Miss Dill

          Hate to say this, but kinda think that is a defense attorney’s….hmmm…how to say this…duty to his/her client??? Distasteful, yes, so I’d be careful who I chose to represent.

      • Paperless Tiger

        “… the defense had this to work with …”

        Yeah. It’s called evidence. What are they supposed to work with, oh enlightened one?

        • Shanzgood 20 Days

          I see you chose the gnawing option. Good luck.

    • Anna Elizabeth

      My father raped and molested me. I lived in his house until he passed away. In my case, I had nowhere to go, nothing to rely on, and no one to believe me or help me.

      It’s so easy to judge the actions of a survivor, isn’t it?

      • Shanzgood 20 Days

        (((hugs))) sweetie

        • Anna Elizabeth

          ~hugs~ No worries Shan, I’m OK.

          • Shanzgood 20 Days

            But still. Reading things like this dredges up stuff for a lot of people even when we HAVE gotten to an OK place.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            It does. Luckily I’m in a good place, my hobbies are going well, possibly a new fella, and my Baby Girl kicking ass at life.

      • Ms.MLG on Maui

        It’s easy because rape culture encourages it, demands it. Watching rape culture on full blast on Wonkette yet again makes me fucking sick.

        • Anna Elizabeth

          ~hugs~ Yes. It’s infuriating.

      • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

        You survived, though. The how doesn’t matter, and no one should stand in judgement of that.

        • Anna Elizabeth

          Thank you. :)

          • Miss Dill

            Happy you did survive and you’re here (posting intelligent, funny, and/or kind non-comments). Really really really difficult to overcome when it’s a parent.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Thank you. It is difficulty, but I decided not to be ashamed or silent, and to not be ashamed of my body either.

      • TheFamilyThalamusPersists

        Geez, Anna Elizabeth, I am so sorry :(

        • Anna Elizabeth

          Thank you. ~hugs~

          • TheFamilyThalamusPersists

            (((Hugs back)))!!

      • theCryptofishist

        I cannot imagine the daily pain. I do know it was horrible. I’m so sorry.

        • Anna Elizabeth

          Thank you. I survived. I’m making a difference for my Baby Girl, and I’m ready to figh tif anyone else tries to hurt me.

          • Canned Covfefe

            You go girl! Getting through AND thriving is an amazing thing. I am sorry for your past and so happy for your now.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            ~hugs~

          • Shanzgood 20 Days

            I think even better than just surviving and thriving for your own sake (which is definitely damn fantastic on its own) is that you’re still around and capable of making such a positive difference in your Baby Girl’s life.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Thank you. :) I know it is. Whatever else happens in my life, she is now happy, confident in work and college and dating, and she was in despair when we met.

            She sends me videos about the latest happenings, and I just cry to see her smile, being giddy over a new Nintendo game or a new outfit from Hot Topic or complaining about some jerk of a guy, just as 20-year old women are suppose to do. :)

          • Shanzgood 20 Days

            Damn onion ninjas are all over everything this afternoon…

          • Anna Elizabeth

            ~hugs~

            As the Klingons say “Still we fight.”

          • Miss Dill

            I’ll say…

      • Bitter Scribe

        Didn’t you say on another thread that your dad was a cop?

        It’s scary enough to think of an SOB like that just walking around loose. But with a badge and a gun…

        • Anna Elizabeth

          Yeah. He wasn’t a cop anymore by the time he was hurting me. I don’t really know why he left the force, lots of family secrets.

          • Bitter Scribe

            Once the community newspaper I worked for covered a case where a cop systematically raped his teenaged daughter. He was discovered when he impregnated her and forced her to get an abortion. After he was arrested, the bitch of a mother sided with the bastard of a father and forced the girl out of the house.

            To give this story an infuriating twist: About a year later, some brain-dead administrator at the girl’s high school invited an “inspirational speaker” who turned out to be a recruiter for some weird-ass Christian cult. The girl ended up joining, undoubtedly because they played on her guilt over having had the abortion.

            There are just no end of predators out there. And sometimes they hide behind badges and crosses.

            I’m very sorry for what happened to you.

          • Anna Elizabeth

            Yes, they do. Dad had both, a Deacon of the Southern Baptist Church. He never had the cash to go to Divinity college and become a Minister.

          • William Cook

            “There are just no end of predators out there. And usually they hide behind badges and crosses.” FTFY

            Disclaimer: The fact that predators seek positions of private authority is not a comment on how many people in such positions are predators. But that stat is way too fucking high too.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Oh, shot. Something similar happened in my hometown, but within the Mormon Chirch. It was awful.

      • BosGrl

        Anna – tight hugs.

        • Anna Elizabeth

          ~hugs~ Thanks Hun

      • Major Lee Pissed ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Stories like yours really piss me off. Fathers are supposed to protect their children from abusers, not BE the abuser. I’m so so sorry you had to live through that.

        • Anna Elizabeth

          Thank you. I’m glad there aren’t many fathers like mine.

        • Miss Dill

          And big people are supposed to look out for little people. Simple rules…no idea how some people justify ignoring them.

      • John Thorstensen

        It’s really hard to know what to say to that, that could offer any real comfort, but the sentiment is there at least.

      • Zyxomma

        I wish there were a hell, so I could imagine your father burning there for all eternity. I’m glad you survived. I’m glad I survived, although I didn’t know the men who raped me at gunpoint. I’m glad we all survived.

    • Caustic Elvisfellow

      Others have already covered the offensive nature of this, but I would add that the law has different imperatives when it comes to “overlooking” things than individual aggrieved parties do.

      • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

        And yes, the accused is entitled to the best defense, yada yada, etc. But the defense attorney controls the means of how that occurs. He chose to do this. He chose to turn it into a three-ring circus.

        • Miss Dill

          And his client let him/them.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Also, just as an aside – this case was investigated in 2005 when it happened. The DA at the time declined to press charges.

    • Canned Covfefe

      Yea, I know. Kind of like those kids that kept going back to church even WHILE being molested/assaulted/reaped by priests or ministers or preachers or rabbis or…or…or…

      Sadly, I imagine I better note this is snark.

    • The Librarian

      Not being a woman, I suppose, you feel entitled to make such a judgment? If you are a woman, I would ask the same, but also, have you been in such circumstances that you know exactly what you would do?

      • GreyWolfSC

        Not to nitpick, but rape victims are not exclusively women.

        • The Librarian

          That is absolutely true, but we’re talking about women and rape culture here. No disrespect.

          • Shanzgood 20 Days

            Thank you.

    • HazooToo

      Do you need help getting out of that bear trap, or would you rather just gnaw your foot off?

    • guest

      I don’t know if the jury had access to all the depositions from all the women. Have you read the women’s depositions that are online? The reason there is only one accuser is because many of the other depositions are unreliable. The person who runs this website has a copy of the original document, not the one shown to the media. There seems to be a lot missing from the media’s reporting: http://www.drustorynews.com/the-truth-about-the-cosby-deposition-explained/. He has a copy of Cosby original deposition as well as the women accusers.

      I don’t think Cosby is without fault here. As a international celebrity I’m sure he played around like many other entertainers. I know this is an unpopular position but I’ve read the depositions that were online. I see why no prosecutor would go to trial based on them. The case that went to trial would have probably been appealed if Cosby was convicted because the Judge unsealed a court documents and the women in question had received a settlement. It seems the prosecution threw the book at Cosby this time around so what else is there? As far as civil suits, read the depositions. The only ones that going to make money off of this are the attorneys.

      Suspend judgement and read ALL the depositions. Something I’m sure the majority of people in this country didn’t take the time to do.

    • Sakonyachen

      Note the decade when this happened, this type of treatment of women was basically accepted despite being illegal. I deliver food for a living and they would have brushed it off back then, suppose I was Bill Cosby.

  • Yr. Gma

    I just read a thing that made sense to me. Fat Albert, Dr. Huxtable, etc., are dead. The guy who created them is dead. Bill Cosby is the living rapist. It’s okay to mourn the deaths of those great characters without acknowledging that Bill Cosby still exists.

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      Eddie Murphy describes this perfectly. From way back in 1987. Some of us have been tired of Bill Cosby’s bullshit for a looonnnng time.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZlQaE4GDUY

      • Shanzgood 20 Days

        That was a needed giggle, thanks!

        • Shanzgood 20 Days

          WAS needed! Damn autocorrect!

      • SeeTrain65

        “Tell Bill I said ‘Have a Coke and a Smile and shut the fuck up'” is forever ingrained in my memory.

  • TJ Barke

    I don’t even anymore…

  • Mike Steele

    Also, too, regarding Camille: Hell hath no fury like the enabling wife of a very wealthy serial rapist who is watching him piss away her shopping money on a squad of high-priced lawyers. BTW, Camille, better check out Marshall’s & TJMaxx, ’cause the civil suits are a-comin’.

    • Duke

      Yep. Her life and reputation are ruined. The injustice of it cannot be denied!

  • jesterpunk

    Why am I not surprised, we elected a President who admitted to walking into Miss Tenn USA dressing rooms while the girls where naked because he can and also admitted to sexual assault and voters where cool with that and blamed the women for it happening.

  • Bitter Scribe

    “The only problem with the jury system is the difficulty of finding 12 men who don’t know anything and can’t read.”
    –Mark Twain

  • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

    How do I describe the supportive wife of a serial rapist? Willfully naive in a pathetically self-demeaning way.

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      She would have been better off staying silent. A hung jury is not “not guilty”.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Since I have never actually raped anybody, let along a whole lot of women over many decades, I am a bit of a neophyte here, but wouldn’t it also be a good idea for his attorney not to brag his head off about getting a hung jury? The first time around?

        Just askin’.

        • Lori

          The lawyer sees the hung jury as a victory (and he’s sort of right about that) and he wants to make sure other people see it that way too. If nothing else, he’d like the prosecutor to be nervous about a 2nd trial.

          • Mehmeisterjr

            That is a brag too far, IMHO.

          • Lori

            A lot of things defense attorneys do are kind of gross when they’re done on behalf of the guilty. That’s how the system works though.

        • Ω cynmac will never surrender

          Didn’t know this. Wonkette is the only story I read. I’ve been avoiding details.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Enablers are often blinded to their own behavior. Look at Jerry Sandusky’s wife. She still, to her dying breath, is convinced her husband is innocent even though she was in the house when he was molesting kids.

      • Lori

        No one likes to see themselves as the stupid and/or greedy enabler of rape. Both Mrs Sandusky & Mrs Cosby are defending themselves as much as they’re defending their sexual predator husbands.

    • Duke

      How about Huma? She stayed with that scumbag and it echoed into the election.

      • Shanzgood 20 Days

        Her husband wasn’t a rapist.

        • Duke

          Just sending his dick pics to teenage girls.

          • Shanzgood 20 Days

            She wasn’t underaged and the whole thing was exposed as a trap in the first place.

          • John Thorstensen

            Did he think she was underaged? The squick factor is strong in this one, in any case.

          • Shanzgood 20 Days

            Yes, it is. But I won’t criticize Huma for the personal choices she made regarding her marriage.

          • Wookie Monster

            To be fair, the first two times he was caught, he was sexting to adult women. It was only the third time that the recipient was underage. Huma was amazingly forgiving the first two times, but sexting to an underage girl was apparently the last straw.

            Wiener is s a sick little bastard. I don’t think Huma understood just how screwed up he is.

      • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

        Well, yes, even though Bill Cosby has been accused of sexual assault by over 100 women through 50 years, and his wife has stayed faithfully by his side, and Anthony Weiner has sexted with a 15 year old and is now being divorced by Huma Abedin, they are actually parallel cases.

  • ken_kukec

    How do I describe Camille Cosby? Annoyingly asking a surfeit of rhetorical questions.

    • Ω cynmac will never surrender

      Complicit.

  • Shanzgood 20 Days

    Baconz was incarcerated with a former CO who never served any real jail time after pleading guilty to sexually assaulting inmates. He received an 18 month sentence in the same halfway house and spent less actual time in there than baconz did for missing a 45 minute appointment.

    • Anna Elizabeth

      I know. It’s horrible, unconscionable.

  • mfp

    here’s the problem, robyn (and many others)…everyone in america thinks bill cosby is a rapist…it just cant be proven legally, in a court of law, beyond a reasonable doubt, with the lack of hard evidence that the prosecution has to work with…IIRC, unfortunately there were no rape kits, no drug tests, nothing….it boiled down to she said/he said and second-hand testimony, and it doesnt matter that there are 100 she-s and 1 he–the burden is on the prosecution and the state to prove, with evidence, that the accused is guilty beyond reasonable doubt IS HOW WE WANT IT TO BE

    however, with the lower standard of proof in civil trials, you can be sure that bill cosby will most likely die a broken and bankrupt man…so there can be some small justice

    • Shanzgood 20 Days

      No. He admitted what he did. The problem was that the jury didn’t unanimously understand that drugging a woman so that she was incapable of saying “no” and then using her un- or semi-conscious body for sexual gratification constitutes rape, or sexual assault at the very least.

      • mfp

        if his admission was allowed into the record, then that’s on the jury…i am not aware that he admitted this in court, but if that is the case, then he’s stupider than we think, as is at least one of the jury

        • Shanzgood 20 Days

          That’s what I meant: it was on the jury. It was also on the judge to give clear instructions on what he was charged with and whether the facts of the case – which he admitted to having committed – met that definition. Apparently, that didn’t happen.

          I posted downthread about my experience being on the jury for a murder trial not long ago. We were given very clear instructions about what met the definition of first or second (etc) degree murder.

          If the judge in the Cosby trial couldn’t make it clear that drugging women *without their knowledge or consent* and then using them for sex is assault, something is clearly wrong with the judge AND the jury. Not with the evidence.

        • theCryptofishist

          He admitted nothing in court, he didn’t testify. There was almost no defense, calling back one witness for clarification, or something, and then a bombastic final summation.

          • He admitted it in an earlier deposition.

          • theCryptofishist

            Yes, probably why he didn’t say anything in court, because who knows what doors could have been opened, but the specific comment I was responding to was about what he said, or didn’t say, in court.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      Cases have been proven with less evidence than what the prosecutor had here. Most prosecutors don’t have a deposition on hand where the defendant admits to having multiple prescriptions to a heavy narcotic like Quaaludes, calling them his “friends”, and admits that he likes to put them in drinks.

      • Incoming Ham

        Captain Obvious here – cases haven’t been against America’s Favorite Non-White Dad /Fat Albert/ Black guy acceptable to white middle America.

        The fact is that he is liable to be a Jimmy Saville – no real information or implications until after he is gone.

      • mfp

        first, let me say this…i am in No Way defending bill cosby…i’ve already said that everyone in ‘murrika, including me, believes that he is a serial rapist…but our ‘belief’ is not enough for a guilty verdict—unfortunately, it appears that there’s not enough supporting evidence to show guilt beyond a reasonable doubt–he can admit in a depostion that he likes quaaludes…and that he puts them in drinks…but the state has to prove that he put them in this particular plaintiff’s drink, that they were in fact quaaludes and not something else, and without her knowledge, etc
        not to mention the fact that quaaludes have been off market since circa 1982, so he’s really admitting nothing after that time…

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      These are civil cases, not criminal, right? The burden of proof is somewhat less.

      • mfp

        no, this is a criminal case…but yes the civil cases that are sure to follow will have the lower burden of proof

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Correct you are.

    • Um…just so you know, this was a mistrial. Cosby was not exonerated after this. In addition all available evidence (particularly testimony of some of those “100-shes”) wasn’t admissible in this trial. The prosecution is looking to try to expand the amount of testimony for next time, to try to establish a pattern of behavior (hard to do with just one victim relating her story.)

      • mfp

        uhhh…yeah, i know this was a mistrial…and cosby doesnt have to be ‘exonerated’ of anything…believe it or not, as flawed and demented as this country has recently become, this is still the u-s-of-a, we’re still supposed to be ruled by law, and presumed ‘innocent’ until proven guilty, with evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt…you and i both probably have no reasonable doubt in our OPINIONS that cosby is a serial rapist…under the rule of law, neither of our opinions count for shit

        there is no competent judge in the world who will allow any testimony from any of the other victims…it aint gonna happen…for all the blustering by the prosecution that they’ll continue to persue, re-try, etc…i would be stunned if there was another trial without new evidence

        i’m just trying to tell yas…get ready to stay disappointed…sometimes the bad guy gets away…imean, hello–OJ mothafuckin simpson?..ya wanna be pissed off about a bad verdict?….go to minnesota and be pissed off that another video-ed killer cop goes free

  • Marceline

    As much as I would’ve liked a conviction, I think that that Cosby’s real punishment has already come down. His reputation has been ruined. He doesn’t get to be America’s most respectable Negro anymore. When he dies the first paragraph of his obit won’t just mention talk about “I Spy” or “Fat Albert” or “The Cosby Show.” It’ll also mention the word “rapist.”

    • Shanzgood 20 Days

      I’m not disagreeing but I also don’t imagine that’s going to be much comfort to the women he assaulted, whose reputations have ALSO been ruined just by coming forward to tell their stories.

      Maybe they’ll get some justice at a re-trial.

      • theCryptofishist

        I hope so.

      • Marceline

        Just to be clear, I’m wasn’t presuming to speak for his victims. Just myself. Cosby was like a mythic figure in my house. My dad had his standup albums. I watched that “Bill Cosby: Himself” on HBO special so much that I could recreate them verbatim at the drop of a hat. I grew up on Fat Albert then graduated to The Cosby Show. I actually saw him perform live in the late 80s

        I was the perfect Cosby fan but now the first word I think of at the mention of his name is “rapist.”

        • Wookie Monster

          I’m in the same boat. Cosby was a fixture in my childhood. From Fat Albert to The Cosby Show. It really hurt to see behind the curtain and find out what kind of person he truly was.

          Btw, another fixture in my family growing up was Joe Paterno.

          • Mehmeisterjr

            That first stand-up Cosby album was a classic and a revelation. The Noah routine and “We will receive, We will receive” even made it into the collective consciousness of my lily-white neighborhood.

            I never heard the knock-out drops routine on a later album. That might have been a tip-off.

            For various reasons related to my age and how busy I was getting an education at the time, I never watched “I Spy” or “Fat Albert” but the first episode of “Cosby” was about as perfect as a first episode can be. I knew it would be a hit and it was.

            It ran too long, as TV hits tend to do, and I also missed the now infamous knockout-drops episode, which would have been another tip-off.

            I used to hear people say that Cosby was not such a great guy as Dr. Huxtable but few comedians are nice guys. Most are grouchy and difficult.

            And I can relate. I am grouchy and difficult.

            I had no idea that under the surface, and despite his obvious talent and even genius, he could be such a monster.

            It is sickening. A betrayal. And to see his lawyer make a sick joke at the expense of his victims…. That is lower than low.

            As a yinzer, I always had my doubts about Saint Joe Paterno.

            The time that the visiting team (my team) arrived at Happy Valley and somehow all of the cleats of their shoes had been loosened gave me a good idea of JoePa’s celebrated ethics.

            Still, I was shocked to learn the full depth of the Sandusky scandal. There is still a dead D.A. mystery up there.

            And there are still Cosby and Paterno fans out there? Yeccch.

          • Persistent Tennessee Rain

            The documentary “Happy Valley” is worth the watch. My kid got accepted to Penn State and part of me was sad. Then OSU came in with money and she ended up there. I’m much happier for her although I’m still not thrilled she goes to a school so steeped in football culture.

        • Shanzgood 20 Days

          I know. I loved listening to his albums as a kid, too. That’s why I wasn’t disagreeing with you about his legacy and why I agree that he deserves to be forever known as a rapist.

          I was just pointing out that I wished his victims could be vindicated instead of perpetually referred to as gold diggers and attention whores.

          • William Cook

            That’s my happy thought for falling asleep tonight. A world where rape trials actually try the suspect, not the victim, who gets vindication, instead of a private victory and a lifetime of public suspicion.

    • Sakonyachen

      “He doesn’t get to be America’s most respectable Negro anymore.”

      I assure you there is no worse retribution for Cosby.

      Despite the fact that I withhold my judgement since the media has done a shit job of showing shit for proof besides 51 accusers(at least a billion people know who he is), I have no love for a man who spent years disparaging the black community for not speaking the king’s English when they were not able to access the education he received. I only have two interests in this fight, that he realizes that all his success doesn’t save him from the trial a black man receives in the media, and that if there is substantial proof(the aforementioned lack of reporting) that he does time so that every person that cares about a woman can rest easier knowing that even someone as beloved as Cosby can be punished for rape.

      But for Cosby, unless God parts the skies and declares him innocent, he has already lost his “Best Black Man” award, so he’s fucked. Either way I’m pleased to know he gets his just desserts.

      Also, too, God is kinda sexist in the Bible, so I may not even take his word for it.

      • Wookie Monster

        Ironically, it was his bashing of the black community that endeared him to republicans. Both he and Ben Carson are the embodiment of what I call the Chris Kelly rule:

        “And then it struck me, suddenly, like a slow-moving vehicle: That’s how you get a job as a conservative pundit. Figure out what makes you different from a white, male, protestant businessman, and hate your own guts for it.

        If you’re black, hate civil rights. If you’re a woman, hate feminism. If you grew up poor, despise the poor. If you’re a visible minority, demand more profiling. If you’re gay, say you’re cured. If you’re Jewish, praise anti-Semites, if you’re Christian, praise war. If you’re Michelle Malkin… I don’t know where you start with your problems if you’re Michelle Malkin.”

        http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/61026

        • John Thorstensen

          That’s brilliant, and so true.

          On this King’s English thing: My Dad taught English and linguistics, and the linguistic perspective taught him, in his long life, that the “King’s English” thing is JUST ANOTHER DAMN DIALECT. The past tense of “drag” is in fact “drug” if you grew up in rural Kentucky, because THAT’S WHAT EVERYONE SAYS THERE. Shaming people for where they grew up is terrible.

          Steven Pinker’s book, “The Language Instinct”, is a wonderful semi-popular explanation of modern linguistics. It’s a great read, highly recommended.

      • Pisto75666

        Sadly there are still a lot of people in the black community who defend him. Strongly, in fact. IDK if it’s because they believe Cliff Huxtable was a real person or what. It’s sad.

    • Werewolf

      Must be killing him that he’s no longer A Credit To His Race.

  • Grokenstein

    Wow. Camille Cosby might just be in weapons-grade denial. Or she might be as filthy as piece of waste as her husband. But Bill wins Turd of the Week hands down for doing a Benito Mussolini imitation while his attorney put on a show for the cameras mocking the prosecution.

    Somebody may have refused to convict because they still love the fictional Clifford Huxtable, but the world knows you’re a drug-rapist, Leonard Part 6. You said it yourself.

    • phoenix00

      I’m thinking Stockholm Syndrome.

  • Jayman

    note to women: don’t wait 30 years before you say something if you think someone took advantage of you. It doesn’t look good.

    • Anna Elizabeth

      Please spare me your advice, on *any* subject. Thank you.

    • nightmoth

      note to Jayman: I can’t find it right now and I don’t feel like looking, but there was a website with photos of all the many original police reports filed on Mr. Cosby by the many young women he raped, beginning in the 1970s, about which nothing was done. That doesn’t look good for your victim blaming.

    • The Green Bastard

      Note to potential rapists: don’t touch ppl w/o their consent.

    • Shanzgood 20 Days

      Are you snarking or what? If not, you just sound like another run of the mill rape apologist.

    • The Librarian

      Note to Jayman. Don’t be telling women what works for you when it comes to their rape. It’s not a good look.

    • JustDon’tSayCovfefe

      Bill? Is that you?

    • BMW
    • Sekhmet1

      Note to Jayman: don’t purport to dispense lectures “to women” on how to respond to sexual violence, particularly if you haven’t bothered to educate yourself on the well-documented barriers to disclosure. It doesn’t look good.

    • Note to Jayman, please wait 30 years before you say anything this ignorant again. Unless you have been raped or molested, came forward immediately, and dealt with all the shit, you have no idea what you are talking about. And by the way, I am a man who has dealt with it. If you had, trust me you would not be so myopically judgmental.

    • Scrofula

      I’ve always thought it only helped credibility with these women.
      They can only lose, and have nothing to gain but justice.
      You can’t call it extortion this late.

      ETA: but ladies, yeah, go after them soon as you’re ready.
      (I have a pecker, yes, not that impressive, but I can still make suggestions)

    • Note to men: Don’t fucking rape People. It doesn’t look good.
      If you can’t get laid because you’re a fucking inept lover, use your goddamned hand or hire a pro.

    • Note to troll: fuck right the fuck off with that victim-blaming bullshit.

    • Resistance Fighter Puipui

      Note to Jayman: Don’t be a sexist victim-blaming shitwad. It doesn’t look good.

    • I already wrote what my beserk button about this case is, but this is the very close 2nd runner-up for sure!
      😡

    • Note to jayman: fon’t be such a disingenuous concern troll

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rape-victims-report-police_us_57ad48c2e4b071840410b8d6

      I would ask you to read this, but i know you won’t so here’s a thought to chew on contained in the article:

      From Brenda Tracy:

      Everyone wants to know “if you were raped why didn’t you report it?” The real question is “Why WOULD you report it?”

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      Note to Jayman: don’t post things that make you look like a victim-blaming, clueless, misogynistic asswipe and cause people to ask you who the fuck you think you are.
      It doesn’t look good EVER.

    • Lily412
  • ServantToTheStars

    I worked with someone 20 years ago who told me she was “mentored” by Cosby and then told an embarrassing story of throwing up in his dressing room. She never came forward and 20 years ago I was hardly paying attention. Wish I had asked more questions.

  • pgjack

    Yeah, Cosby is a rapist but his wife is just pathetic. If there is anyway in hell that she believes her husband’s actions over the years are anything but despicably criminal she is a complete fool. But I think her real motive is to hang on to all that money Bill made over the years.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Her knowledge of his criminal behavior came out during one of the depositions.

  • azeyote

    when are they going to be on the megyn kelly show of despicable people? –

  • That Camille Cosby quote really sounds like something the Trump kids might be saying about their father after his obstruction of justice trial. Hopefully the result of that trial will be more definitive and perhaps they can share a cell at some point.

  • ibwilliamsi

    How do I describe Camille Cosby? A “rapist’s enabler”.

    • ConnieHinesDorothyProvine

      Something’s gotta be wrong with a woman who hooks up with that man in the first place. From what I understand, he was always a jerk.

      Love the photo of Joanna Lumley.

    • Three Finger Salute

      What about Rudy? FUCKING RUDY STOOD BY HIM?!?

    • phoenix00

      Stockholm Syndrome?

  • Wookie Monster

    Anyone know what Larry Whilmore’s take on this is?

    • ConnieHinesDorothyProvine

      Cosby faces a mistrial while Larry Wilmore’s show got cancelled. There’s no justice.

      • Three Finger Salute

        And the cop who killed Castile got off.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          That. I just can’t.

      • SadDemInTex

        Exactly what I was thinking

    • SeeTrain65

      “I haven’t forgotten about you, mother fucker!”

      Something along that line, I’d imagine.

      • Robert Andre Glasper

        Those women wanted some chocolate JELLO PUDDING! There actress aspirations fell by his bedside.

  • A Groucho Marxist

    When I was very little, I would watch Bill Cosby say “Hey hey hey” on Saturday mornings, and that was fine.

    As an adult, knowing what I now know, watching Bill Cosby say “hey hey hey” while walking down court steps, seems really fucking desperate and gross. And really fucking sad.

  • ConnieHinesDorothyProvine

    With any luck, this will leave Bill Cosby discredited a la O.J. Simpson.

    • Three Finger Salute

      …who is probably getting out of prison later this year on parole.

      Maybe he and Trump can team up on the golf course. OJ can look for Nicole’s “real” killer while Trump looks for Hillary’s “real” emails and Obama’s “real” birth certificate. Or they can just take a break and play bumper cars with the golf carts while Geraldo digs in the sand pit.

    • Paperless Tiger

      He’s through. He sure as hell won’t be taking over NBC now.

  • brittany

    It’s because any woman who has sex outside of marriage is a slut and a whore, and she never should have gone to his house in the first place….At least that’s what some asshole on Jezebel’s facebook page told me.

  • Zyxomma

    Yes. Yes, yes, yes. I just binge-watched The People v. O.J. Simpson. I was on a very lean media diet when the whole thing happened. Friends told me about it; I may have owned a TV at the time, but if I did, I used it only for watching videos. Juries are garbage, usually. I remember running into a friend I hadn’t seen for quite a while when I went downtown for jury duty. He said, “We’ll speak later.” I answered, “Yes, if I don’t get chosen for a jury. He laughed and said, “No lawyer is going to want you on a jury; you’re too smart.” I’ve never made it past voir dire, so maybe he was right.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    I don’t give a shit what the jury was doing, I still ain’t eating no Pudding Pops.

  • nightmoth

    I couldn’t find that website which had the original police complaints filed against Cosby over the past decades, with the rather heartbreaking photos of the young women he attacked, several of them barely out of their teens. They were all so innocent-looking and new to the world. For a few young models, he actually called their parents first and asked permission to “mentor” them into show business! Of course, the parents were thrilled, and several young victims invariably thought that THEY had done something “wrong” when they woke up with Cosby and with their clothes gone or in disarray. However, I did find this, if anyone hasn’t had TMI by now.
    http://starcasm.net/archives/306591

  • Ok, I mentioned before in the Philando Castile thread that my beserk button is the term “Idenity Politics.” Now, today’s secret phrase is “They’re only doing this for money.” This is an thought process that seems to say more about the moral deficiencies and greed of the person saying it than the victims. (But seriously, there is SO much wrong with that statement, especially as it relates to this case that one could a write textbook unpacking it all).

    😡

    • SadDemInTex

      I have a Russian friend who lives to use “identity politics”. It is infuriating. But he is a classic nihilist.

    • To some degree, all politics are identity politics. It is just that the GOP’s identity politics is the default identity of being white, so we (white people) don’t recognize it as much.

      http://wp.me/p7vabV-1Sk

  • SadDemInTex

    Does anybody know what the jury count was?

  • theblackdog

    After the mistrial was declared #WhySurvivorsDontReport started trending on Twitter and reading what people had to say was heartbreaking

  • Like white privilege, the default assumption is male privilege. Nothing wrong with what the white man is doing unless you can prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt and then some. In this case, Bill Cosby gets to be a white man because, you know, he entertained so many white folks with his non-threatening blackness and went on national TV and accused blacks of being bad.

    Seriously, given that there is one RAPE every 98 seconds and countless lesser sexual transgressions — cat-calling, groping, inappropriate jokes and suggestions, butt pinching, upskirting and down clevaging, crude and lewd remarks and looks, and whatever the fuck else men do because it is harmless and everyone should be able to take a joke — why the fuck do men get the benefit of the doubt?

    The truth is it is ALL men. The dividing line between a nice guy and a rapist is the number of circumstances that they’ll offend in. Some of us, it is fairly narrow, but others it is very broad.

    http://wp.me/p7vabV-3Bg

    • DT

      OK, definitely not all men if that’s your standard, but maybe being gay changes that? My answer to all his questions was no, never, not enough at any level.
      And that type of thinking is only going to get more people hurt.

      • Your environment influences your behavior more than you think. Under the right circumstances nearly, but not all of us, will transgress. The only real defense is awareness.

        • DT

          Well then at that point you really do have to say yes all people.

          • Yes, but there has been an evolutionary imperative hypothesized that would drive men to commit sexual assault and, in general, be sexually aggressive and assertive under specific circumstances. In my second article in the developing series, I address the evolutionary psychology behind sexual assault, http://wp.me/p7vabV-3FV

      • I don’t that this is a concept that will get more people hurt. I think it will prevent injury. Only by realizing (a) what we’re capable of and (b) the degree that circumstances contribute to our actions and choices can we prevent these behaviors from occurring.

        • DT

          OK keep thinking that. Meanwhile, you’re the reason people believe in “both sides”.

          • You’ll have to explain that. I’m using evolutionary psychology and situationalism to develop a thesis and, hopefully, lead to some insights that might then prevent at least some sexual assaults from happening. What are you doing with your time here?

          • DT

            Telling you what a non sequitur is.

    • capnkrunch

      Wait, what? ” Look, I understand why “not all men” is a shitty response when talking about rape culture. It makes things about the men, deflects from the issues, and provides justification for looking the other way, among other things.

      But…”all men are actual rapists; most only lack opportunity” is an extraordinary claim (requiring, of course, extraordinary evidence). Which the author did not present.

      I can’t help but think that line of thought is counterproductive; and not because it risks alienating “male allies” (that’s the bullshit that is generally associated with “not all men”). Rather, solving the problem “men are beasts who will sexually assault women given the opportunity” leads you down a different road than say, “male dominated society produces media, etc that normalizes sexual assault”.

      I have a feeling that the author was being intentionally provocative rather than literally saying “all men are rapists”.

      • I don’t know what you were reading, but all men are actual rapists; most only lack opportunity is not something I have ever written, thought, or said, nor will. What I did write is that all men will offend sexually some have a wider set of circumstances that they will offend in, others — the vast majority, thankfully — narrower.

        One of the problems with rape culture is that it only takes the man’s point-of-view. If we are to eliminate rape culture, we must shift to the woman’s point-of-view. That point-of-view is that it is completely understandable that a man would rape a woman even a nice guy with a promising future like Brock Turner.

        Too many women don’t take steps to protect themselves early enough for fear of offending the man. I am not afraid of alienating men by challenging them to contemplate the circumstances under which they would commit sexual aggression past, present, or future.

        One of the few ways we will stop the situation we find ourselves in from manipulating us to do things we would not normally do, is to be aware that it can, will, and does happen. We need to be aware of the phenomenon so that we can recognize it as it occurs.

        I have now written a second article in that series, Rape Culture: Yes, It is ALL Men, the Evolution Argument. http://wp.me/p7vabV-3FV

  • ziggywiggy

    I am enraged, just heard on the news that Bill Cosby is planning a tour to educate young people about bad behavior(and how not to get accused of sexual assault…no seriously). If this true… fuck that fucking piece of garbage, he should go live in a damn cave until his next trial and maybe take a few extra of those special pills he loved to hand out, what a fucking cunt! I really hope this is just some super bizarre troll. This has to be an Onion article come to life…

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