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Let’s play Spot The Moral Difference, which is a fun game I get to play anytime someone brings up food stamps: Did you pay 15% in capital gains tax this year? If so, then first you’re a fucking sucker, and secondly you can get all that back in deductions, which is where the government will give you money to go out to dinner with your lovely wife Muffy, who only eats at pop-up Per Se knockoffs. Alternatively: Did you pay 15% in payroll tax this year? If so, then first you’re a fucking sucker, and secondly you’ll get all that back in food stamps, which is where the government will give you money on a little plastic card so you can cook for your lovely wife Muffy, which is the ironic nickname you gave her because she eats her mac and cheese with hot dogs very delicately.

DID YOU SPOT THE MORAL DIFFERENCE? Yes, you’re right; the pop-up price fixe is morally superior to any food containing partially hydrogenated oils, and as we all know you are what you eat, so. *mic drop*

If you’ve ever been poor, or if you work in social services, or if you have a human soul within you, you’re likely a bit shocked and appalled by Trump’s proposed bullshit budget because it’s an inhuman mess of numbers that don’t make any goddamned sense, which is something we normally say figuratively but in this instance is actually true, because the fuckers who can’t add are the ones who’re going to talk to me about government waste! You know, the people who think you can just decide to hit 3% growth to solve your budget woes while counting revenues from the estate tax you’re simultaneously abolishing.

Mick Mulvaney, the pusillanimous prick who’s taking credit for this amoral mess, actually argued on camera where he knew people could hear him that the reason living children should be kicked off food stamps is so his nonexistent grandchildren would face a slightly smaller national debt. Not fucking kidding.

you thought I was fucking kidding, didn’t you?

Mulvaney is also on record wondering whether there are “folks on SNAP that shouldn’t be,” by which he means what they call “able-bodied childless adults,” because Mick Mulvaney cannot be bothered to find out how government programs work. He’s the kind of nitwit who says we have to find out what kind of refugees are coming into America even though there’s a goddamned two-year exhaustive screening process. This dude wants to institute work requirements for SNAP, which is kind of like reading the Hyde amendment and then giving a speech on the need to keep federal money from going to abortions.

But Mulvaney isn’t our biggest villain in all this! He is only the entirely-willing lickspittle to Trump’s dreams of domination, and he’s not the only one! Paul Ryan, who normally gets to stand on the winner’s podium of assholery entirely alone on this SNAP issue, is also commenting publicly about the prospect of actual housebound senior citizens eating cat food! So he’s on Fox News talking about “the aspiration and the goal is right on the target” which seems like it makes sense, doesn’t it, until you realize that the aspiration and the goal of this budget is literally to kick as many people off assistance as possible because they can’t hit their benchmarks if they don’t cheat.

Yeah, I said cheat, and I meant it because these assholes couldn’t manage an honest day’s work if you put them on Undercover Boss. Ryan can’t even wash real dishes, for fuck’s sake, he has to have his dishwashing prewashed for him. I don’t know how anyone can listen to a word from that moral succubus, knowing that the guy can’t wash a fucking pan without an entourage and a kitchen staff. But sure, put THAT guy in charge of the goddamned budget and let’s all listen to him opine about how easy it is to be a dishwasher. 

But let’s not let our Republican friends take all the blame! Anyone who’s been on welfare damn well remembers who was in charge of the last big “reform” that was basically an excuse to kick millions of people off the rolls to get more impressive numbers! God, I love reboots. The second movie is always SO MUCH BETTER than the original! Anyway point is that it’s not all thinking of grandchildren and whatnot! Sometimes, if we are very lucky, we find ostensible liberals coming to help Teh Poorz via social engineering of miniscule amounts of money, which are nevertheless lifesaving!

It’s the only goddamned explanation I can think of for this Atlantic piece anyway, in which we prove that America is really the only country who could put together a food program for hungry people and then complain it wasn’t making them skinny.

I would keep writing but I need to slam my head into this desk repeatedly until welfare reform for skinny people being how we achieve 3% growth makes sense to me. I’ve spent most of my life working in food service and clearly I just have too many brain cells left. It’s probably because I couldn’t afford the good drugs when I was younger.

Or fucking food. I couldn’t afford that, either, with my full-time work that consisted of preparing and serving food to people with more money than me, which I knew was true because they were buying the food that I couldn’t afford to eat. You ever been hungry in a kitchen? Yeah. Neither the fuck has Mick Mulvaney.

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  • TJ Barke

    Who’s gonna pay down the debt? I dunno, how about the rich fuckers and the corporations that are hoarding all the money!!!

    • dslindc

      Oh no, not the poor jerb creators! They won’t create jerbs if you make them pay silly things like taxes or make them follow regulations! If we give them all the money, it’s jerbs for everyone! Because magic!

  • JohnBull

    NOW these fuckers care about nutrition??

    • JMP

      What happened to their absolute hatred for feeding kids healthy food as long as the black First Lady was advocating for it?

      • SayItWithWookies

        It’s been replaced with not feeding them.

    • Oblios_Cap

      If they did, there wouldn’t be so many obese poorz.

    • Michael Smith

      They’re obsessed with this idea that America’s poor are fat and disgusting, which means they don’t deserve help.

      • Suttree

        But it’s just fine for the “president” to be a fat disgusting slob.

        • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

          fat disgusting slob libelz!!!1!

  • dslindc

    Is pizza still a vegetable?

    • Mpeg

      Ketchup, dude. I thought the question was whether ketchup was a veggie.
      Which the above story title reminds me: while we were growing up Mom’s recipe for “poor man’s lasagna” involved macaroni, cream cheese instead of ricotta, and I don’ think she stooped all teh way to subbing ketchup for marinara but I do think we were given Ragu.

      It wasn’t til much later I would have actual lasagne, discover ricotta, and find out the meaning of the Italian word ragout. (or is it French?)

  • JMP
    • Oblios_Cap

      Bootstraps, bitches!

    • Michael Smith

      He was on those Ben Carson foodstamps.

  • Chadwells

    pusillanimous….

    Good word! That’s gotta get in the rotation!

    • JohnBull

      Is that like cromulent?

      • Mpeg

        I need to find a place where I can type “O, the pusillanimy!” now~

      • Chadwells

        Embiggen?!

    • snark-lurker

      archanely essoterick

    • msanthropesmr

      Come on! You should know that word. The Rutles used it in a song!

      • Chadwells

        LOL!!! I’m not a Beatles fan…..but I am a Python fan…so conflicted!

        • ahughes798

          George Harrison and Eric Idle and Neil Innes were great friends. In general Harrison was a huge Python fan. I’m not a fan of the Beatles, either.

      • ahughes798

        You’re so pusillanimous, oh yeah
        Nature’s calling and I must go there.

        • msanthropesmr

          I have always thought in the back of my mind, cheese and onions.

  • BearGHAZI

    It’s true. The president eats like a poor person and his ass is cottage cheese stuffed into a trash bag.

    • Bobathonic

      I believe it.

    • Rags

      He eats like a poor person’s idea of what a rich person eats. Steak and twooooo scoooops of ice cream!

  • Oblios_Cap

    I guess Mulvaney’s grandkids are paying for it because he’s (and the rest of the 1%) aren’t paying their fair share of taxes today.

    • Manders

      Well, when the estate tax is repealed, surely they’ll have enough to pay off the debt.

  • Chadwells

    Image search Fuckface (because I refuse to even type its name) + Fast Food….and listen to your arteries clog just looking at them all.

  • JMP

    If Mulvaney doesn’t want his grandkids to face a big national debt, then he shouldn’t support a budget that promises to massively inflate it by giving a shitload of the government’s money to the super-rich, all while destroying the economy by cutting the budget by over a trillion dollars.

    • willi0000000

      . . . while making a mockery of arithmetic!

      [ devos would be so proud ]

  • TJ Barke

    This administration is a goddamned travesty.

  • Michael Smith

    “Because now my unborn grandchildren are paying for it, and I think that is morally bankrupt.”

    There are many things to which such a statement may properly apply. Our environmental recklessness, for instance. Our poorly-thought-out imperialistic wars. That’s something our grandchildren shouldn’t have to inherit. Our refusal to invest in improved infrastructure is something I’m gonna feel pretty awkward about when the unborn grandchildren start to realize they’ve gotta deal with it now.

    But I think our unborn grandchildren will be fine with our decision to allow food stamps to exist. And if they aren’t, I don’t particularly care what their hypothetical asses think of me.

    • Elvis Causticfellow

      When my grandparents were alive, I sat them down, fixed them with a hairy eyeball, and asked “When Roosevelt started the Public Works Administration, what did you do to stop him?” Their pusillanimous refusal to return my gaze, much less answer, put the death seal on our relationship thereafter.

      • Michael Smith

        Seriously. If it weren’t for their pusillanimity, all the poor would have starved to death years ago and we’d be living high on the hog by now!!

    • Thaumaturgist

      Our unborn grandchildren are going to stay unborn unles our children can get decent jobs to payoff school loans and get their own homes.

      • ahughes798

        They could procreate while renting, also too. But yeah…good luck with paying off student debt, let alone buying a home.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    It’s the only goddamned explanation I can think of for this Atlantic piece anyway, in which we prove that America is really the only country who could put together a food program for hungry people and then complain it wasn’t making them skinny.

    This right here. People complain when people on SNAP buy shelf-stable long-lasting products like processed food because “It’s junk! If you need assistance you should only buy healthy food!”
    These same people then complain when people on SNAP buy healthy food “That’s too expensive! If you’re poor you should only buy cheap food!”‘
    And heaven forbid you spend some of your meager money on a soda or a birthday cake for your kid because it is their birthday and this is not some Dickens tragedy…

    • TJ Barke

      Because of the false pervasive notion that the poor are poor because of moral failures.

      • JMP

        The right-wing refuse to accept the reality that, in a capitalist system, financial success or failure is a matter of luck, and that their own success is not due to them being magically superior to the peasants.

        • TJ Barke

          Yup. They also refuse to understand that there is simply not enough room for everyone to succeed in the capitalist paradigm.

        • Margaretkcollins

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      • h4rr4r

        Protestants, that is who you can thank.

    • Bobathonic

      I can hear it now (and may have heard it in the past):

      They should only be buying fresh food!
      They should get NO assistance since they have a luxury item: a refrigerator!

      Grade A assholery.

      • Michael Smith

        Remember that Fox News infographic showing that SO-CALLED “poor people” often own refrigerators!!!?

        • chortlingdingo

          And microwaves, also, too.

    • Certified Green Bastard

      I was gonna say “these assholes should treat what other people have in their cart like a public bathroom situation & mind their own business” then I remembered they also wanna know all abt other folks’ bathroom business too.

      Get a better fucking hobby, assholes.

      • Opalescent Riddles

        I was feeling stabby today and couldn’t figure out why. You’ve just reminded me, which is actually somewhat relieving, perhaps in the way of when you’re twisting a stuck cap and the jar’s neck just breaks off.

    • NotReallyHere
    • chazmanr

      I can fill my stomach with Ramen noodles and feel full for $1 or I could buy 3/4ths of a fresh lemon or whole tomato and feel hungry.

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    What’s crazy is that, in this day and age, so stuffed with wealth and just plain stuff that millions of Americans pay hundreds of dollars each month just to store their stuff, and many many have second and third homes they’d like to unload because they don’t even go to the lake anymore, we don’t have a new vision of our economic goals. Everyone should be able to eat good food. Every child should get an education (whether they want it or not!). Every person should have a roof over their heads, water to drink, toilets that work. Every person should be able to go to the doctor when they need to. There is no question we can afford this, and easily. The real problem is, what then? The trumps of the world exist because having enough is not enough for them, and they don’t know what is….

    • Teecha

      What kind of commie talk is this?*

      *the kind of commie talk that I am alllll over.

  • Chadwells

    Ugh….the thought of what any of these assholes’ grandkids will be like. Enough to make me puke. They should all be neutered.

    • anwisok

      Must we use anaesthetic?

      • Chadwells

        Yeah….NO! And the Doctor should dark barn the surgery!

        (dark barn = As in dark barn welding, which is welding without eye protection, the process where you simply close your eyes and guess!!)

        • Suttree

          It gives you a nice tan. That is if it doesn’t peel the top few layers of skin off.

  • anwisok
    • Crystalclear12

      You work hard for our up votes!

    • chortlingdingo

      Omg that tiny red squirrel is ridiculously adorable.

  • Michael Smith

    I’m starting to think Jesus was pretty naive when he thought he could get people to care about the poor.

    • Wild Cat

      Do you think when he said “Feed the poor,” it was for others or himself and his disciples? Some theologians think it’s on the same level as Buddhism: “Feed the poor” are monks begging for their own food, as they took a vow of poverty.*

      *Personally, I’m agnostic as to whether an actual individual Joshua Josephson lived or not. It makes no difference. He’s shaped in the image of the rich.

      • Michael Smith

        That is true, Jesus and his disciples supposedly depended on the charity of others to live, since they didn’t have REAL JOBS.

        But yeah, for most of the time separating us from the reign of Caesar Augustus, poor people couldn’t read and certainly couldn’t publish books. So I don’t think there’s much in the Bible of which the rich disapprove.

        • Wild Cat

          Most must have been married and had kids. Messiahs and disciples.

          I wonder how the local Jewish community looked upon these self-proclaimed holy men? I wonder if these men worked and preached their politics/religion?

          • Rags

            Yeah. Where are all those chairs Jesus built?

          • chortlingdingo

            I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that contemporary Jews probably thought they were full of it. Otherwise, Judaism would have changed rather than a new religion springing up.

    • georgiaburning

      That was before the rich folks did the rewrite. The King James Bible? They didn’t even hide the fact.

  • MynameisBlarney

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAmNsIUXYAQA-T_.jpg

    *credit for image to James White*

    • Joe Beese

      This would explain why they’re keeping Barron out of the press.

      • Crystalclear12

        Damien?

    • Wild Cat

      “Four Fucks and a Pope”?

      • snark-lurker

        We won’t see that shot circulating in the rightosphere.

    • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

      I have the sudden urge to perform an exorcism on my computer….

    • Proud Liberal

      Why is Trump the only one smiling?

      • Wild Cat

        He got a hand job in the Sistine Chapel from a hunchbacked tour guide.

      • Crystalclear12

        Because everyone else has to spend time with that ass, Trump.

      • Suttree

        Because he is an idiot and doesn’t realize that everyone hates his guts?

        • Proud Liberal

          He is oblivious to events happening around him that’s for sure.

    • Wild Cat

      I must like this new pope. In the past, I would have done a Sandusky joke.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    Mick Mulvaney, the pusillanimous prick who’s taking credit for this amoral mess, actually argued on camera where he knew people could hear him that the reason living children should be kicked off food stamps is so his nonexistent grandchildren would face a slightly smaller national debt. Not fucking kidding.

    This is the purest distillation of hyper-conservative thinking – if I can screw people now to make an extra nickel, then by God I will. But don’t expect me to pay for a single damn thing above what *I* and I alone think is necessary.

    • Manders

      He should be worrying more about whether his grandkids will have potable water, breathable air, and the ability to live free from desperate bands of marauders searching for food.

      • georgiaburning

        He’s expecting that his kids will be able to hire security, and pay for water. Breathable air will be a great marketing opportunity

        • Manders

          Sure. And there’s no way the security would just shoot them and take their shit.

          • georgiaburning

            Could be, but 19th century financier Jay Gould said that he could hire one half the working class to shoot the other half. Considering how many poor folks still vote Repub today, I think that still applies.

          • Manders

            Maybe now, but I’m thinking of those rich folks who are building bunkers and stockpiling supplies against some kind of climate change apocalypse (there was a New Yorker article about this). Some of them seem to think when it’s every man for themselves, they will be the kind of person who can lead an army of mercenaries. I think they are hilariously mistaken.

          • georgiaburning

            No matter how many guns you have, there’s always someone with more and bigger ones. So don’t play that game.

        • Suttree
      • mardam422

        Or whether they learn empathy from their grandfather.

    • snark-lurker

      Not [hyper]—tipical

    • William Cook

      Well, unrestrained Capitalism considers wringing a nickel out of your neighbour’s corpse to be a virtue.

  • Proud Liberal
  • maxneanderthal

    OFFS. We’re talking about a tinpot president who (Repeat three times after me, and twice more before going to bed) Lost. Money. Operating. A. Casino.
    The only man or sentient being anywhere in the cosmos who pulled that trick off. Evah.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Once when I was working at a restaurant with a terrace, a storm came up suddenly and we had to reseat everyone inside. One couple decided to stay outside and avoid the commotion indoors (they were under an umbrella and had just sat down, so no food to get soaked). The guy asked me to bum a cig for him, so I got one from a coworker, and in the end they left me a huge tip. Counting out at the end of the shift though, I found that another table had skipped on their tab, and I’d failed to spot it, so I ended up eating it. If it hadn’t been for that generous tip I’d have owed the restaurant money. Walked the two miles home on sore feet and an empty stomach with four dollars in my pocket.

    • Oblios_Cap

      It sucks that you had to pay for some asshole dining and dashing.

      • ahughes798

        I think it might possibly be illegal to make a server pay for dine-dash in some states.

        • chortlingdingo

          It is, and it should be illegal nationally.

          • 🛶🗣️ Mr Canoehead 🛶🗣️

            Just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean it won’t keep happening.

          • chortlingdingo

            Alas, you’re absolutely right.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      fuckers.

  • Chadwells

    OT: Fuuuuuuck you, Gov. Phil Scott. Prick.

    • Proud Liberal

      What did he do now?

      • Oblios_Cap

        Vetoed the pot legalization?

      • Chadwells

        Vetoed legal weed for VT

    • Proud Liberal

      Just figured it out. What a fucking asshole.

      • Chadwells

        Oooops!

    • Oblios_Cap

      Not Rick this time?

      • Chadwells

        Nah….this dick vetoed legal weed in VT!

    • Wild Cat

      Yeah, fuck him, but I don’t even know who he is.

      • Chadwells

        Killed legal weed in VT

  • Joe Beese

    I was going to wait for the Open Thread to post this. But this seems an opportune moment to remind those who might be in temporary doubt that life is not solely comprised of horrible selfish creatures.

    (watch til the end)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZiJkicepzM

    • borninatrailer

      Jeeeezus, Joe. That almost pried emotion out of me and not only am I at work, I am an actual robot.

    • Teecha

      Aww!!

    • Sedagive ’em Hell

      Thanks.

    • Suttree

      Thank you very much. that was needed.

    • SweetDeeKat

      Thank you – that was perfect. Kitten hugz!

    • Michael Smith

      That’s awesome!

      On a snarkier note, if that cat were a person who lived on the street and was now sick and was expecting care and compassion… I know a certain portion of the country’s voters who would tell it where to go.

      • Wild Cat

        Remember the fascists’ “Let them die!” in 2012?

        Or the man with palsy who was spit upon by the Tea Party fuckers in 2009?

        That should have given us a hint about 2016.

    • h4rr4r

      As a man with 4 cats, two of them being from the great outdoors, lovely but not surprising. I bet he could be totally socialized to humans with enough time.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      thanks Joe. Hatin reality today.

    • mardam422

      Sorry, can’t snark right now. Something in my eyes.

    • I am sitting in a public place with tears streaming down my cheeks.

  • Crystalclear12

    I feel your pain.
    I couldn’t afford the good drugs either.

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    Republican Economics 101: Rich people need more money for the same reason poor people need less money.

    • Cliff Hendroval

      Back in the previous millennium, Salon.com had a really great discussion forum called Table Talk. One of their commenters called himself Ferguson Foont and his sig-line was:

      Republicans moan and Republicans bitch
      “Our rich are too poor and our poor are too rich!”

  • memzilla Ω
  • ArgieBargie

    How will Trump core supporters be able to afford Confederate flags and beer koozies if the cut all these programs?

    But seriously, fuck this genocidal conservative wet dream. These people are doing nothing to hide their evil ways.

    • Master Contrail Program

      Why should they? They’ve faced zero punishment at the ballot box for it in the past two election cycles. This is apparently what America wants to be in the 21st Century. Time will tell if it makes it to the 22nd.

      • Claire

        This. The only way they’ll face any punishment at the ballot box is if they finally manage to put in place policies to literally kill off their voters, and even that will only be punishment by attrition.

        • Master Contrail Program

          Yeah. If trends stay the same for the next two cycles, this country will likely be under the boot of Christofascism for the rest of my life. Barring a plague, nuclear war, alien invasion, or some sort of world-altering event.

          I’m not quite 40.

          May we live in interesting times.

  • Crystalclear12

    I read this article and remember my mother crying because she had to apply for food stamps to feed us.
    Fuck these people.

    • mardam422

      Testify!!

  • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

    haven’t even finished the post – already enraged.

    How about this – more living people, more working people, more economic growth, more taxes, more profits.

    IS that fucking simple enough?

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      “via social engineering of miniscule amounts of money, which are nevertheless lifesaving!”

      The money for another aircraft carrier can feed a SHIT TON of people.
      Jus’ sayin’

      • mardam422

        But without that aircraft carrier, what kind of world will they live in? Not a world where the good old US of A is protecting them from threats foreign and domestic, I can tell you that!! A world where they can’t walk down the street at night without a North Korean missile hitting them in the head! Is that what you want, libtards?

        • Hizzoner

          Dude… The current administration is doing nothing to retard the North Korean missile program. In fact, by stating they are in favor of regime’ change in North Korea, they are making it more likely that the North Koreans toss a missile or two our way. Second, the aircraft carrier you are proposing costs billions of dollars. The missile required to sink it is cheap. I wonder if more guided missile destroyers might not be a better solution for force projection than a very costly floating target in the middle of the ocean.

          • Ferroequinologist Ron

            I am of the belief that the Navy stopped using that sort of cost-benefit analysis long ago. Now it’s about what looks sexiest in the harbour on Navy Day.

          • Hizzoner

            Oh! Didn’t notice you were using sarcasm font. My bad!

          • Ferroequinologist Ron

            I’m not as good at making my snark clear as I used to be. Blame it on despair.

    • SayItWithWookies

      So — more takers, is what you’re saying?

    • georgiaburning

      We had it for a while. The marginal income tax rate in the 1950’s/early 60’s was enormous. So rather than put money in executives’ pockets or bank accounts where it would be taxed away, corporations invested it so it could be deducted.

      • Ferroequinologist Ron

        Which, as I recall, is the way it was supposed to work in the first place.

        • georgiaburning

          Exactly. Money piling up in banks or purchasing vacation houses and sports teams really doesn’t do much other than feed egos. Money invested in R&D, factories and equipment creates jobs.

  • mardam422

    “Because right now my unborn grandchildren are paying for it….”
    A couple of trips to the abortionplex and voila!! Problem solved!!

  • UnsaltedSinner
    • proudgrampa

      I misread that and thought Trump was helping the VWs.

    • Red Bird Ω

      It’s all their money.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      The estate tax is the ONE tax I think could use a bit of tinkering. It’s often the reason small family farms go bankrupt and end up as part of giant agribusinesses – Pa’s land, which he and Ma bought for $10,000 in 1953, is now worth $550,000 and when Pa dies, nevermind that he paid his taxes all his life, his heirs now owe at least 35% of that $550K to the government. They have to sell the farm to pay it because farming doesn’t generally bring in a spare $192K.
      HOWEVER, that said, people like the Waltons don’t deserve these whopping tax breaks because it won’t impoverish them to pay back to the country that has supported their ill-paid workers for decades. We could apply some common sense to this whole issue if the reptiles would get out of the way and stop hurting the smaller guys in favor of helping out the oligarchs.

      • aureolaborealis

        Isn’t there a minimum amount for the estate tax to kick in, something like $5m or $10m? The family farm/small business is the propaganda talking point, but IIRC the vast majority of family farms and businesses are untouched by the estate tax.

        • whitroth

          https://www.fool.com/retirement/2016/11/11/2017-estate-tax-rates.aspx Scroll down to “why most people don’t pay estate taxes.

          Oh, yes… about 20 years ago, I heard an interview with the last living member of FDR’s cabinet, who said, in so many words, that the estate tax was created not merely to raise money, but to prevent a permanent monied class, as in “Old Europe”.

          • aureolaborealis

            Right. Back in the days when most of us pretty much agreed that having an explicit oligarchy was bad.

  • proudgrampa

    I have always loved the alliteration in “pusillanimous prick.”

  • Cheesus Crust _ Rebel

    This post is a goddamn work of art and should be framed and placed in the Smithsonian.

    • KillerMartinis

      cheers! I do enjoy when we get to play Morality, Motherfucker!

  • whitroth

    It’s quite simple, you see: the GOP doesn’t personally know anyone making under $1M/yr (other than maybe their housekeeping staff, who they’re paying $6.50/hr). So claiming that you’re so poor the gummint needs to help you is obviously a ploy.

    And KM, the one that gets me is anyone who wants to cut WIC, at which point I get visions of beating them to a pulp. Note that my late wife, before we met, was on WIC, and she depended on that as a single mom of a small child.

    • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

      RIGHT?
      Literally taking the food from the mouths of babes.
      Fuckers.

    • KillerMartinis

      No, the WIC-cutters are basically on the same social acceptability level as Nazis, which is to say there’s far too many of them in public and they should be consistently smacked.

  • Master Contrail Program

    “Let them eat cuck.”

  • Randy Riddle

    There’s no poverty problem that can’t be solved by more people selling apples on the street and lining up at privately-funded religious soup kitchens, obviously.

  • SadDemInTex
  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    Just. . . Fucking. . . Insane.

  • SpudRaider

    I just don’t see how you folks can’t see what a brilliant stroke of genius this proposal First you shed the government of supporting “people” who are freeloading on us all.

    Next it Spurs economic growth in one of the growing sectors sectors of our economy …. Private Penitenturies when these”people” deemed incapable of working must find a new way to survive. Well all know these “people” do not have the moral fiber to do what’s right and remove themselves from our new shining society. Therefore prison for most. See it’s a win win. The genius of Trump

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    But there’s one thing about SNAP that even its liberal supporters would acknowledge is a weakness: There’s a lot of evidence that the program doesn’t help its recipients achieve or maintain a healthy weight.

    And since people in low income areas often lack access to grocery stores (that would offer healthy food), what’s you’re point?

    Correlation does not equal causality, how does that concept work again?

    /FFS

    • Doug Langley

      Lessee: I applied for food stamps and it would pay me $125 per month. Now why on earth should it be so hard for me to reach a healthy weight? Guess we should just get rid of it!

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      So, their solution to the obesity problem in this country is not to actually try to make healthy food affordable and widely available, but to scream at the poor people who are forced to subsist on mac-n-cheese and spaghetti and potatoes and peanut butter because that stuff’s filling and cheap? Yeah, that sounds about right.SMH

  • Bitter Scribe

    Does The Atlantic have SNAP confused with Jenny Craig?

  • Bitter Scribe

    If Mulvaney is so fucking concerned about the debt at the time his grandchildren are born, why doesn’t he suggest his boss not play golf in Florida every fucking weekend?

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      He might also suggest raising taxes on people like the Koch brothers, who have over $80 billion dollars, but that would be blasphemy, or something.

  • Opiwan

    SUCCUBUS LIBELZ! I don’t want to be pedantic (yes, i do), but a male demon that sucks the souls from females is known as an incubus…

    *sees self out the door because commenting is not allowed*

  • William Cook

    Those last three sentences are among the best closing statements I’ve heard all year. I’m so glad you’re writing here.

  • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

    See, I’m against body-shaming but in this case I’m not sure I would have a problem if we called Donald a disgusting fat fuck.

    • natoslug

      My eyes keep getting drawn to the mullet. Why, if you are a self-proclaimed billionaire, are you unable to find a halfway decent barber, Donut?

  • Jamoche

    I can’t improve on James Nicoll’s snarky alt-lede: “Anne of Green Gables proves child labour is good!”

    https://fee.org/articles/birth-rates-are-at-historic-lows-and-here-s-why/?utm_source=sumome&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=sumome_share

    Oh, for the good old days, when kids were working assets instead of being spoiled with all this playtime and education!

    • Angela Ruzzo

      Wow, I was just this morning telling someone about my mother, whose parents took her out of school against her will at age 13 by lying and saying she was 14 so she could go work in a factory for 10 hours a day, for $5/week. And when I was 14 and wanted to get a job babysitting my mother said “No, I want you to have the happy teenage years that I missed.” If I think about this too hard I start to cry, cause I thought that child labor shit was long gone.

      • zerosumgame0005

        depending on how old you are (if you are a real oldz like me, this is probably correct) if you mom was born back in the 1920’s that was the depths of the Depression(assuming born in 1920 so when 13 it would have been 1933 and so on). or they could have been in a company town and had to just to pay off the company for being alive and having hands they could use. so while sad it may not have been as inexcusable as it sounds now. I am glad she learned how much it meant to you. and a good cry is nothing to be ashamed of!

        • Angela Ruzzo

          My grandparents married in 1901, and my mother was born in 1914 – the 7th of 14 children. Grandpa was a coal miner, but it wasn’t a company town. As a girl, she was “Mother’s Helper” with the cooking, cleaning, laundry, and caring for the younger children. They put her to work in a bobbin and thread factory. She was devastated – she wanted to stay in school more than anything, and she knew that the only way out of poverty was to get an education. In 1931 they moved to a Brooklyn tenement, where living conditions were even worse, and she had to work in a button factory. But NYC had free night school for adults. . . that was definitely an improvement from her point of view. So she worked by day in the factory, and went to night school and got her diploma in 6 years. Then she won a scholarship to nursing school. Then she joined the Army Nurses Corps and went to WWII. Then she got married and had 3 children while working full time. I don’t think she ever had a chance to learn how to relax and kick back and enjoy herself, but she got what she wanted out of life and she was contented.

          • zerosumgame0005

            the last part is the important part. and i think it is wonderful you can tell her story and I hope she has grandkids you can pass it onto :)

          • Angela Ruzzo

            Yes, it is, and yes, I do pass it on, but they don’t listen very well. They keep saying “You need to write these stories down” and I keep saying “I already did that in 25 emails you didn’t read” and they say “I accidentally deleted them.” I have this feeling they’ll be standing over my coffin saying “Could you write down that story again, please?” :-)

            There is a documentary on Netflix called “Packed In A Trunk” that I watched last week about an artist named Edith Lake Wilkinson who was a great painter during WWI and the 20’s. Then in 1924 she was committed to a mental asylum and all her paintings were packed in trunks and stored in an attic, and she was forgotten. Meanwhile, her attorney stole her considerable inheritance. None of her surviving relatives bothered to investigate or visit her, and today her great-niece can’t find out why this terrible thing happened to her. It made me wonder how many people have been forgotten in this way.

          • zerosumgame0005

            sounds like the 1920’s version of burning a “witch”. in other words a woman who stood in the way of some greedy bastard and land or money he wants

          • Angela Ruzzo

            They would definitely have considered Edith to be a “witch,” because she was a Lesbian. That, alone, was enough to get her labeled as mentally ill in 1924. If I was her great-niece, I’d sue the lawyer’s descendants for the stolen money. It was half a million dollars, no small sum at the time.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    It’s so weird how the country is so broke, yet we can ALWAYS afford another tax cut on billionaires.

  • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

    I call bullshit on Mick here. He ain’t gonna have no grandchildren. For that to happen he would have to have children and for that to happen a woman would have to agree to sleep with him and I doubt that’s gonna happen anytime soon. The fucker is ugly as shit and probably has a tiny penis. Even I can see that and I’m a straight white male.

  • Swampay

    If Mulvaney is really that concerned about passing on debt to future generations maybe he should consider raising taxes on people who can afford it right now. That might help.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    “You ever been hungry in a kitchen? Yeah. Neither the fuck has Mick Mulvaney.”
    This is Pulitzer worthy.

  • Jacob Prescott

    Republicans shedding crocodile tears and wailing “what about the children!??!” rings a bit hollow when they are willfully turning a blind eye towards the catastrophic effects of climate change. I mean sure our grandchildren will have to be told what an “iceberg” is when they study the Titanic, but hey, isn’t having “access” to food better than actual food?

    • jaspersdad

      In truth, they are hollow rings on ones backside.

      • zerosumgame0005

        the ring pillows are needed when those hemorrhoids infect the metaphorical backside of the government

  • NotALiar

    I’m not forming an opinion until i hear what ted cruz thinks on the issue.

    • Paperless Tiger

      Ted’s been kinda quiet lately. Even he can’t think of anything worse than the Trumpocalypse.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      Ted can think???

  • Debra Dassow

    Unfurling believable, would life be simpler if one did not have a soul?

    • zerosumgame0005

      less time wasted asking questions anyway

  • Food stamps aren’t a diet program (except in the sense that they never cover a whole month’s worth of food, so you end up on a starvation diet for the last week(s) of the month, but that doesn’t do anything to help you achieve a healthy weight). Food stamps are designed to keep people who can’t afford food from starving (and to give grocers and food producers some extra money). That’s it. There are things we could do to help some people on SNAP eat healthier (like give them more fucking money so they can afford better fucking food) but even that wouldn’t help everyone. You know how hard it is to buy, store, and prepare healthy food when you don’t have transportation, or a fridge, or kitchen appliances, or electricity? How about when you live in an apartment owned by some Kushner-wannabe slumlord and your kitchen is so infested with roaches that you can’t store food in it? Or when you live in your car? Or when you’re too disabled to cook for yourself and don’t have any help because who can afford household help on SSDI, even before Mick Mulvaney kicks them off for not being disabled enough?

    There are people living off of convenience store snacks and $5 7-11 pizza bought on food stamps because it’s all that they can actually get or make with their food stamps. I’ve met those people. I’ve been those people. That is not conducive to being a healthy weight, which is unfortunate, but it is conducive to NOT FUCKING STARVING, which is the first step to maybe ever getting to some living situation where you or your kids can buy better food with your food stamps, or even get off good stamps. Not starving is not necessarily equivalent to being healthy, but it is healthier than starving, which plenty of people (including many single, childless adults, who mostly get fuckall from SNAP, even when they obviously desperately need it) are still currently doing. Not letting people starve should be priority number one for the SNAP program. When no one is going to bed hungry, then maybe worry on how to make them skinnier. Or healthier – helping low-income people get healthier is actually a worthwhile goal. But it can’t be accomplished by starving them.

    • Up In Smoke O’hontas

      ^^This^^

    • Angela Ruzzo

      Those cheap pizzas are 100% fat and completely lacking in nutrition. Not only do they make people fat, but they also make people sick. And those cheap frozen fish sticks they sell at Save-A-Lot are poisonous, you wouldn’t believe what goes into them, they might as well call them Death Sticks.

      I went to this very young orthopedic doctor 2 years ago (recent med school graduate) with severe sciatica pain, and the asshole told me to take up swimming. Let’s see now, I don’t have a swimming pool of my own, so I’d have to join a gym ($60/month) and I’d have to drive to the gym in the car I can barely afford to put gas in and insure at the same time, or buy a bus pass (also $60/month), and I’d also have to buy a swimming suit. SSDI won’t quite stretch to that, as I need the money to buy food that won’t make me fat and sick, because my SSDI is exactly $75/month too high to qualify for SNAP in my state, and too high by the same amount to qualify for cheaper bus passes. Is there a Catch-22 in there? I think there are several.

      • zerosumgame0005

        seriously, I think we need a comprehensive home ec program for all ages. it really is not that hard or expensive to make your own pizza. some flour, water and yeast will make a good basic crust, make your own sauce is some basil, tomatoes, salt (yeah I know, but you need it) or there are some OK organic brands for sale, cheese and whatever you like on top, some chopping but still so easy. you could also make your own pesto and any extra is great on pasta for tomorrow. basic cooking should be required for everyone.

        simple sewing is easy as well but most people, not just the yuuts, find it a struggle just to get the right stuff just to start.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          I think your definition of “expensive” might not be the same as people who are living on $730/month SSDI and who have a child or two, although that might depend on where one lives. Yes, making pizza is very easy, but you are right about basic cooking lessons. There was a good documentary on PBS last year that followed three families who became homeless and had to live in cheap motels. The only thing they had to cook with was a microwave. It was a very depressing program.

          • SadDemInTex

            I think the bigger problem is not having a full size refrigerator with a freezer space. Maybe we need community kitchens with donated refrigerators and freezers in the communities where people live in SROs and their cars,etc.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            One really sad thing about some homeless families who have to move into motels is that they often have to give up their pet, which is very traumatic for both the children and the pet. I knew people in New Orleans who stayed in place with their pets, rather than go to shelters where pets weren’t allowed, and they almost drowned. Then when buses came to rescue them a week later, the National Guard wouldn’t let them take the pets on the bus. There were heart-rending videos of this happening, I can’t watch them.

          • SadDemInTex

            I remember about the pets. I think I would also stay with my pet. Homo sapiens suck. Animals are wonderful.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            I took my kitten with me when I evacuated, and then I couldn’t use any of the shelters, not that I wanted to. I’d rather live in my car with a cat than in a shelter with 1000 strangers.

        • cicatricella

          it requires a functional kitchen, and enough money to buy all the ingredients, then a safe place to store any leftovers where it will not go bad or be eaten by vermin.

          • zerosumgame0005

            true, but after all wasn’t it a big conservative “thing” that too many poor people had refrigerators and microwaves and ovens not long ago?

          • cicatricella

            it’s amazing how easy it is to install those things in cars and motel rooms and slumlord-owned, vermin-infested apartments.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    Gosh, killermartinis, you are really angry. Good for you, you should be angry. We should all be angry and go out and SAY SO VERY LOUDLY.

  • Nephilim

    Republican health care plan serves the rich, screws the poor.

  • azeyote

    i’d buy more money but then i couldn’t buy beer –

    • zerosumgame0005

      priorities!

  • Nice camel toe, Donald.

  • ThunderCat

    Can these people be helped?

    “I am still happy with President Trump,” says Barbara Puckett,
    who lives in Beattyville and has been on Social Security disability
    since the late 1990s because of sclerosis. But she says she would worry
    if the budget becomes law and she loses her benefit.

    … the title of the article should be: “I voted for Trump. Now he wants to cut the aid I need. And I would vote for him again. Yes, I’m that dumb.”

    from: http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/24/news/economy/donald-trump-voters-budget-cuts/index.html?section=money_news_economy

  • pianoplayer1

    SNAP allotments are not sufficient. So, recipients purchase cheap food with them. Cheap food is not always the most nutritious. Plus, can everyone stop judging everyone else? I had genetic testing. I have every one of the so-far-identified identified genetic contributors to obesity. I have to exist on very few calories to not be overweight. I also suspect that hormones and antibiotics in our food supply has contributed to childhood obesity. This has not been studied because of Big Agriculture, Monsanto, and Big Pharma lobbyists. “Corporations are people, my friend”.

  • Stein Olsen
  • greg

    Can someone explain to me why the pics have him golfing lefty?

  • Keith Taylor

    With regard to the endless slanders and canards about poor people being poor because they’re lazy and don’t want to work, I quote a writer (dead and gone thirty years now, huge loss) whose stories I really like. On the effects of technology alone, never mind the economic schemes of billionaires and politicians with dead souls. (Whom John D. did not like.)
    “When machines are making the machines that make the machines, where is that myth about anybody who really wants to work being able to find a job?”

    • SadDemInTex

      Great quote!!!!!!

  • James Lamere

    So the poor little losers get a little hungry now and then (mostly now) . Somehow America must find the money for shiny new aircraft carriers and hydrogen bombs .

  • Zyxomma

    My SNAP benefits card was issued to me on an emergency basis. What was the emergency? I’d dropped 15 pounds in two months, because I couldn’t afford to eat, and I won’t eat garbage. No Top Ramen for me. These assholes make me feel murderous.

    Btw, killermartinis, it’s spelled minuscule. Other than that, perfect rant.

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