So this was a brief little moment in the news a few days back: A little boy at an event honoring military families was standing near Vice President Mike Prence, and the Veep accidentally got his sleeve in the little guy’s face. This clearly bothered the boy, who waited until he could get a word with the vice president to say, “Excuse me, you owe me an apology,” since clearly the boy had learned that you should politely stand up for yourself when you think you’ve been wronged. Pence was gracious about it, put his hand on the boy’s head, and said, “I’m very sorry, I didn’t mean to bop you,” and the news had a sweet little story about a determined little kid who was being a kid, isn’t impressed by vice presidents or other titles, and squeaked up “Excuse Me…” to Power.

Ah, but on Fox News, it was a far different story, because EVERYTHING is Culture War: This little round-out-the-newscast-with-some-sweet-fluff piece actually illustrates how children have become entitled little snowflakes who whine all the time and perceive injustice all the time and don’t respect their elders, and OMG the nation is RUINED. (Probably because we don’t spank them!) Oh, and also the Liberal Media is portraying this kid as some kind of hero for standing up to that ogre Pence who slapped, smacked, hit, or otherwise abused him. Maybe some outlets did say that, but mostly we just saw “brushed” or “bumped.” Here are wingnut radio host Tammy Bruce and Bill Hemmer, guest-hosting for Tucker Carlson, explaining how this cute kid exemplifies What’s Wrong With America, which is so pussified that we care too much about stupid snowflakes’ “feelings”:

Bill Hemmer: Seems like a nice young man, I guess he’s eight. Kids these days, what, they’re telling their parents what to do, they’re telling their teachers what to do, and I guess now they’re telling the vice president what to —

Tammy Bruce: I guess we’re giving birth to snowflakes now, because that looked like that kid needed a safe space in that room.

Hemmer: Is this a different time or not?

Bruce: It is a bit, the eight-year-old pretty much stalked the vice president afterwards. He wasn’t even — the headlines said he was “hit, he was struck, he was smashed, he was bonked.” The fabric on his sleeve touched his nose maybe. He stalks the vice president, says, “you owe me an apology.” This is like he was channeling [University of Missouri professor] Melissa Click wanting to get some muscle into the room. This is crazy. Now look, he’s seen it either on television, maybe he’s seen it at home perhaps, but he felt aggrieved because, I don’t know, the vice president maybe slightly touched his nose. It’s pretty amazing.


The story was followed by yet a longer rant about how low our country has fallen, with Hemmer and Bruce tut-tutting about a Washington Post story about how Mothers Day or Fathers Day could be awkward for gay parents, with much agita about how the Washington Post (which is merely “Jeff Bezos’s personal blog,” according to Bruce) has taken a minor matter and twisted it to fit their sick liberal agenda or something.

Oh, there was one eensy problem, maybe, with Bruce’s condemning one cute 10-year-old (yeah, they got his age wrong, too) as the poster child for Political Correctness Run Amok:

Appearing on CNN’s The Lead, Dr. Ingrid Herrera-Yee pointed out that her son, Michael, is on the autism spectrum and that like many autistic children, he needs to rehearse and practice social interactions. Also, he’s only been verbal for five years.

For that matter, she said, Michael thought the White House was really cool, and Dr. Herra-Yee thought Mike Pence’s handling of the request for an apology was just charming. Which is why she was so astonished that Fox News would take a perfectly nice little story with a satisfying ending for everyone and describe it as a symptom of how The Liberals Have Ruined Children. Hell, even “Fox & Friends” had managed to present the clip as just a cute thing.

Herra-Yee added the coverage had led to online attacks on her other son, who’s 15, after he went online to defend his little brother, because the Internet Is Awful. She hoped Fox would apologize for making such inaccurate judgments with no attempt to find out what was going on, and said she wished media in general were more aware of autism. (We’d add here, based on our own limited experience with some autistic kids, that since personal space can an issue for people with autism, getting brushed in the face really may have been a bigger deal for Michael than for other kids, so his very careful, calm “excuse me” might have taken some work to get to.) To Fox, Herra-Yee said,

“Please don’t use kids. Whether they’re typically developing kids — it doesn’t matter that he’s autistic or a military kid. Forget all that. He’s a kid. And you don’t use children as examples on national television like that.”

God, so his MOM’S a snowflake too! You can’t take some political culture-wars heat, lady, don’t go putting your kid on TV like that! And why is CNN shilling for this whole family of people who don’t matter? (Sorry, we read the comments at Mediaite.)

Today, Bruce and Hemmer have issued an apology:

First of all, I am so sorry to the family. My intention was never to hurt a kid and his mom. We had absolutely no idea that Michael was on the autism spectrum and, as a gay woman and feminist, I’ve spent my adult life working to improve the lives of women and children and those who are disenfranchised. I get it and I apologize. I also appreciated the boy’s mother’s public comments and clarity on this. A main lesson here, no matter intent, is to leave kids out of our political discussions. We certainly agree on this.

You want a model of how to apologize? We’d have to say that’s it: a genuine apology, not a half-hearted “if anyone was offended” notpology, and a rare moment of class on Fox News. Sure we can quibble about whether anything in Tammy Bruce’s earlier performance could be called “feminist” in any meaningful way, and next week she’ll no doubt be calling someone a snowflake again, but at least we have her word her target next time will be over 18. Credit where it’s due, and could we please see more apologies like this.

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  • Joe Beese

    Today we all have Mike Pence’s sleeve in our face.

    • C4TWOMAN

      We are all Michael.

    • therblig

      “Yeah, I’ll bet you gave the guard a sleevejob!”

    • Dutchman

      Also too, that’s my greatest fear every time Herr Drumph does something monumentally stupid or criminal. The reverberating cries of “Impeach” leave me with night terrors of hearing President Pence.

      • ahughes798

        Replacing a dangerous imbecile with a theocrat. Hard to say which is worse, really.

    • Crank Tango

      Sleeve, zipper, whatever.

  • lowenufc

    Everything that comes out of any mouth on Faux News is enough to make a blizzard in July.

  • Ezio

    How DARE the little brat demand common courtesy and an apology!? What a snowflake! What is this country coming to!? America is doomed! It’s liberal entitlement culture gone MAAAAD!!!!!

    • snark-lurker

      the misidentified the snowflake

  • Pre-existing Ugly Dude

    Only sad, weak losers apologize.

  • Ferroequinologist Ron

    Y’know, believe it or not, there IS a culture war. Faux Noise started it.

    • schmannity

      You made me look Ferroequinologist up. I was guessing someone who studies iron horses, and I was pretty close.

      • puredog

        I thought it was a coinage and got the reference.

  • PubOption

    Some awful Repub was spouting forth on PBS this morning about how today’s kids are snowflakes, and how he put his kids to work on the farm and celebrated when they got wounds which needed to be stitched.

    • Turgid Love Skwerl

      WTF? That would have been child abuse even in the 1970s. Maybe he should have went soft and had them go through basic SEAL training.

    • snark-lurker

      i heard that, POS from Nebraskasux

    • Vincent Ricola

      Ben Sasse did that shit on CNN this morning, too. Ugh.

      • PubOption

        Same guy I think. He was from Nebraska.


        He was NPR too. Looks like someone’s on a book tour, shilling their book!

        Which, in a sane universe, should probably lead to “you WERE writing this on your own time, and not the taxpayers’, right? You’re not getting your Senator stipends, or travel costs covered for going on this book tour, right?”

        You know, being conservative with taxpayers’ money, and all.

        But of course, nobody asks that.

    • ahughes798

      They probably weren’t allowed to cry about it either, and if they did, were either punished for it, or called names. Toughness uber alles! I grew up with that shit.

      • PubOption

        G. Gordon Liddy would deliberately burn himself and not flinch, so probably came from the same background.

    • theCryptofishist

      LeVoy, is that you?

    • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

      Raising the next generation of Dylan Roofs.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Tammy Bruce needs to be more than brushed with a sleeve.

  • Turgid Love Skwerl

    a sweet little story about a determined little kid who was being a kid, isn’t impressed by vice presidents or other titles, and squeaked up “Excuse Me…” to Power.

    Trump then proceeded to fire the kid for leaking loyalty whatever was contrary to the White House staff’s reasoning.

  • schmannity

    “I’m a gay woman and a feminist” How much did you get for your soul to work for Fox?

    • Crystalclear12

      Standard 30 pieces of silver, why do ask?

  • AJ Milne

    Fox News. The reason you can’t have nice things.

  • Marion in Savannah

    Dear sweet Babby Jesus on a roller coaster… I. Can’t. Even…

  • Ezio

    How ironic that the very same people who claim to believe so much in wholesome values now think that common decency is “political correctness/cultural Marxism” or whatever they say.

    • TJ Barke

      Well that was the original point of political correctness. It was supposed to be about being accurate and neutral.

  • canes_pugnaces

    It seems to be that term snowflake best describes the rightwing, and leaking Depends-in-Chief in particular, who can’t seem to go a day without being injured by things like autistic kids.

  • Mpeg

    “Pablo Picasso was never called a snowflake.” — The Modern Apologizers

  • arglebargle

    He shoulda kicked Pence in the nuts.

  • La forza del resistino

    Goes with the network that is shocked when a female staffer objects to Roger Ailes’ ‘sleeve’ touching her butt or boobs.

  • chascates

    Fox has no problem with its senior employees sexually assaulting or harassing underlings.

  • The Wanderer

    At least there was an apology.

  • Vincent Ricola

    “We had absolutely no idea that Michael was on the autism spectrum and, as a gay woman and feminist, I’ve spent my adult life working to improve the lives of women and children and those who are disenfranchised.”

    Thing 1 – any “apology” that includes “as a *insert any group in which you are using to deflect your own actions by presuming to be a voice for said group*, I apologize” doesn’t count because you are an asshole.

    Thing 2 – so if the kid was a non-spectrum 8-10 year old child, it’s okay to trash them on your widely-watched “news” network for having manners?


  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    How dare that child actually ask someone to respect his personal space! Why, children should just accept that adults may accidentally whack them or bump them in a careless manner without so much as a “by your leave”!

  • schmannity

    AN apology!?!!?!! It’s the end of Fox as we know it!1!!1!!

    Sean’s daily hysteria.

  • Crystalclear12

    Good apology.
    Now can we address the impulse to attack the child in the first place?

  • chascates
  • willi0000000

    a Bruce and a Hummer for Carlson.

    OOPS – that’s Hemmer

  • Marceline

    You know shit is off the rails when Mike Pence is the good guy in a story.

    • Chris

      Here’s a hint, Pence is never the good guy. Had he been a good guy, he wouldn’t have needed a kid to explain good manners to him. We’re just all surprised he didn’t have the kid perp walked out. To be shot at dawn. If you use that as what could be reasonably expected from this crew, by comparison, Pence’s behavior is OK.

      • Marceline

        “We’re just all surprised he didn’t have the kid perp walked out. To be shot at dawn. ”

        That IS being a good guy compared to the rest of them.

        • Chris

          Boy, it truly sucks that you are right.

  • not_vh

    while at it, fox news please also apologize for calling kids that were gunned down by paranoid freaks, thugs. thx. later & only after.

  • BigCSouthside

    If a meteor struck Fox News studios I’d feel bad for the meteor.

    • Chris

      And hope it had comprehensive health insurance cause you just know a major infectious disease would be the outcome if the meteor survived.

  • ariel_gee_398

    See the kind of trouble Pence gets into when Mother isn’t there to supervise him?

  • snark-lurker

    what would lee harvey do?

  • chascates
    • Ricky Gay


    • The Wanderer

      Stupidest Man on the Internet sez what?

    • Darlene Underdahl

      If we have the name, we may as well have the game.

    • Shoto

      “Those Democrat Party libtard terrorists are using George Soros money to finance their Molotov cocktails. Premium gas, even.”

      — Jim Hoft

  • Persistent Tennessee Rain

    This cannot be stressed enough: I hate these fuckers.

    • snark-lurker

      mee too & purdysure the fe-feez are mutual

  • memzilla Ω

    O/T: In case you haven’t figured it out, the intelligence partner who almost certainly gave us the intel that Twitler leaked to the Russians, and whose relationship with our IC he has almost certainly ruined, is Israel. Mossad has long been known to have the best Allied intelligence in the Middle East. Losing their intel stream will cost American lives.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      I keep going back to this: that nice Mr Adelson must be so proud, and Netanyahu certainly backed a winner.

      Have fun at shul, Jarvanka.

    • Darlene Underdahl

      Wow. I would have guessed Jordan.

    • ariel_gee_398

      I would say that Israel will love when Russia passes on their info to Iran, but since the Russian media is apparently already reporting the details, ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  • ThePuckStopsHere

    Fox just wants everybody in the country to be as polite as Donald Trump.

    • RobKanC

      But they can’t shut up about how polite everyone is in the south. That’s something to ponder about.

  • Ricky Gay

    I do appreciate the apology. But it’s like Fox News exists mostly to put caustic soda into​ America’s butthole and will occasionally offer a little Prep H for wayward inflammation.

  • redarmyzombie

    “…as a gay woman and feminist, I’ve spent my adult life working to improve the lives of women and children and those who are disenfranchised.”

    Oh, fuck off, you lying BITCH!!!

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      If that was true she’d be firmly pro-Hillary.

    • thewalkindude

      Yeah, way to make the ” apology” about you and how wonderful you think you are…

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Seriously. She cares that she’s being tweet-shamed by Jake Tapper.

  • Darlene Underdahl

    RW media is a huge problem. My folks always voted DFL (Democratic Farm Labor), but if they were alive, I’m sure they’d be watching Fox like all the neighbors, and getting just as brainwashed.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      I will never forget when I worked at AARP in 2009, and the smug self-assurance that they spoke for all retired people crumpled into horrified realization that Fox had stolen 90% of their audience from under their noses and wouldn’t ever let go.

      AARP was once called the most powerful lobbying group in Washington. They’re not called that anymore.

  • SayItWithWookies

    And that whiny little bitch Dorothy should give those Ruby slippers back to that nice green lady, too.

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      Considering those shoes were her dead sister’s, that’s definitely green witch libelz.

  • IOnlyLikeCats

    If we even talked about doing this to (as a hypothetical, on accident) to any of the people on Fox News they’d accuse us assault, challenge us to a boxing/MMA fight, and then talk about assaulting us.

    What happened to the golden rule?

    • willi0000000

      you mean “him what gots the gold makes the rules” ?


      They made it into a toilet for Donald.

  • Jeremy7

    At the risk of being “that guy,” Dr. Herrera-Yee’s name is misspelled as “Dr. Herra-Yee” a few times in the above article.

  • Shoto

    “We had absolutely no idea that Michael was on the autism spectrum…”

    And that makes a difference why, exactly? The fact remains that these assholes were using their cushy electric teevee platform to verbally slap around a 10 year-old kid, and that is inexcusable under any circumstances.

    • HorseChestnut

      Not only were they slapping around that kid (with words), they were using him as a weapon to slap around other kids. All of them! If you’re an American child, you better rethink what year you were born, loser. The only good kids happened forty years ago!

  • Persistent Tennessee Rain

    The kid was adorable and polite and actually made Mike Pence look like a human being. I’m thinking the people who got their knickers up their collective cracks over this kid are the real snowflakes who need a safe spaces…preferably ones with rubber walls.

  • RobKanC

    Wait. They have atleast two gay ppl working on Fox News. Now i have seen everything.

    • Indivisible Snark Tank

      Shhhh….nobody’s supposed to know that everyone on Faux Noise is actually a Friend of Dorothy!

      • theCryptofishist

        Dorothy doesn’t have standards, does she?

    • Nockular cavity

      Who cares, long as they bleach their hair and wear short skirts.

      What, they DON’T???? PURGE THEM!!!

    • chicken thief

      And they interview Pence all the time, so – gay friendly!

  • empf

    From the same people who say Barron is off limits (Fox, and yes, he is). Please extend the same courtesy to all kids.

    Glad they had the wherewithal to apologize properly. Just goes to show you can’t judge.

    • snark-lurker

      icantoo judge your not the boss of me

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      I feel so bad for that kid. Barron never had a chance to be normal.

  • Amelia Resists and Persists

    So she’s a 1) gay 2) feminist who spent her adult life working to 3) help women and children and 4) the “disenfranchised,” which I’m translating to minority populations.

    Considering any one of those things would block you from working at Fox News, I’m going to call bullshit. Even if she can pull a genuine apology out of her ass when she needs it.

    Also, that anyone who claims to have worked with children can use one to insult political rivals is beyond unacceptable.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Seriously, what the fuck is she even doing?

      • Shoto

        Cashing the check, and looking the other way.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Couldn’t she have just been the guest that goes on Bill O’Reilly’s show and shouts at him for a while? Clearly not now, but… I mean, if she enjoys being mean about stuff.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      I’m willing to allow that she’s gay and thinks she’s a feminist. But she very much strikes me as the Log Cabin type of Republican: those gay people who only care about gay or feminist issues, insofar as they affect themselves, personally. Other gay people can fuck right the fuck off.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      I thought saying you’re gay in right wing circles means you’re playing “IDENTITY POLITICS”????

      Weird how this game works…

      • eka

        It’s like Donald Trump’s African-American. It’s very necessary to point out their presence so that we can know how diverse they are. All those pictures of old white men are simply misleading. They have an African-American! They have a gay! And a woman! They just don’t do anything that benefits people other than white men because they like to be subtle about their diversity.

  • Zonath

    And if Pence were a Democrat, the hosts would probably be fighting for the child’s right to open carry and to stand his ground against the clear invasion of his personal space. Snowflakes.

    • mardam422

      The only thing to stop a bad guy with a sleeve is a good guy with a gun.

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    I should note that I rolled my eyes mightily at the gay-parents-don’t-like-Mother’s-Day articles, too, but that’s because I am a mom married to a man who goes out of his way to be awful to me on Mother’s Day, whereas all my gay friends were posting photos of their Mother’s Day brunches on Facebook. So I was, like, “Sure, being a gay parent can be tough, but it’s way tougher to be married to a jerk” (it probably isn’t, but that’s how I felt).

    • HorseChestnut

      I’m sorry you’re married to a jerk. I’m sure you have your reasons for staying, but I hope it isn’t like this forever. Going out of your way to be mean to your wife on Mothers’ Day is… it’s not a good sign. Hell, going out of your way to be mean to your partner on any day is not OK.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        Yeah, it bites. My reasons are purely financial.

        • Lance Thrustwell

          Annie, I’m sorry to hear that. I hope you’re saving up for the day you can leave. Even if it takes years, just the knowledge that you’re slowly getting closer to that goal might help keep you sane!

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Thank you, dear. I’m trying to figure out how to extricate myself. I should mention that I am not being abused per se; I just live with someone who thinks that his own emotions are more important than those around him. I think what I am getting at is that I am not being beaten, just judged mightily. The good thing is that I can call him out on it and he will admit he was being a dick, and he’ll stop for two weeks or so. It’s just a tiring process to have to constantly remind him to be kind.

          • John Resistant Tovarich Smith

            An “accidental” dick punch while sleeping might work for a while longer.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            :) We don’t sleep in the same room.

          • John Resistant Tovarich Smith

            Blame it on the Ambien midnight stroll.

  • ahughes798

    Sensory stuff really bothers some autistic kids. For some it’s textures, or sounds, or the loudness of the sounds. Neighbor’s kid loves fireworks, has to wear noise cancelling headphones to watch them. He’s not very verbal. He’s been carefully taught manners, so I understand why that boy sought out an apology, my neighbors kid would have done the same. And would apologise to someone if he hurt them, too. For years he would only wear button down shirts because he couldn’t stand the sensation of a shirt being pulled over his head. So I understand why being brushed with fabric might have been upsetting to this boy.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    What the fuck is wrong with these people? Why did the idea to attack and smear that poor kid and turn this into a political issue last even one nanosecond, much less survive to fruition?

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      It’s all in service to Fox’s overall message, which is that young people are entitled whiners so don’t listen to them when they complain about debt, an employers market, free college, voting rights, or how they never actually asked for participation trophies. They’re just whiny Millenials.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        Also, asking to be treated with respect is a sign of liberalism, which must be mocked.

      • Buzz1313

        Can you imagine what holy terrors Hannity’s (and all the others’) kids must be? With examples like that as parents I bet the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

  • YoBunnyBunny

    I was just saying last week, that this kind of thing is all over right wingnuttia: waxing windy over some group without actually knowing who specifically they’re talking about on the personal level (last week it was people who do suffer and die because of lack of access to affordable health care–they aren’t lazy moochers with iPhones). “Libtard snowflakes”, “feminazis”, “the blacks”, “the gays and transgenders”. These are not individual people with their own personal motivations that exist out of whatever bullshit narrative these assholes construct. It’s easier to talk about them if they make them sound like boogey men.

    In this case, the “libtard snowflake” was an autistic kid. Good on the mother (and little Michael himself) for asserting his dignity.

  • BadWolfGirl

    Nope. Not even.

    Regardless of this child’s development, a/typical, Mike Pence should have immediately dropped to the child’s eye level, should not have again touched him & should have apologized directly to him.

    Because children on the spectrum have an extremely different neurological system, you do not ever touch them unless they are in danger. Danger such as touching something that would burn him/her, walking in front of a moving vehicle or to protect him/her from self-injury.

    Autistic children and adults often can not determine if the temperature of something is too hot or too cold. They also may not be able to distinguish a casual brush from a sharp slap. The BadWolfKid has these issues. When he was young, he would react quite violently when casually brushed against. Even now you can observe how much such touch bothers him.

    There is so much wrong with this that it’s impossible to unpack it all. These ignorant adults should never have belittled this child. Since they did belittle him, the apology should then not have been about the adult. The adult should have made the apology about and to the child.

    And had Mike Pence remembered to use the manners he should have been taught, this would not have been a thing.

    From what I have seen, this young man behaved exactly the way Autistic children are taught during social skills training.

    • willi0000000

      hell . . . it’s the way i’d behave if pence hit me in the face!

    • Meccalopolis

      Some autistic kids are very sensory and liked to be touched but that is a good rule of thumb

      • BadWolfGirl

        The BWK requires firm pressure, but a light breeze against his skin is painful.

        Textures, sounds, lights, crowds are also difficult for the BWK.

        He continues to not understand subtlety at times & gray areas. Yet he has a wicked sense of humor.

        I guess the question is why can’t people be kind to respectful to each other as a rule?

        • Meccalopolis


    • Serai 1

      How do you know Pence had any idea the kid was autistic?

      • BadWolfGirl

        I don’t. But regardless Pence should have dropped to eye level, not touch him & apologize.

        One person in 68 is on the spectrum.

        Because kids are mainstreamed as much as possible, most typically developing kids have contact with special needs kids. The typically developing kids model behaviors with atypical kids in social skills classes. It’s how the atypical kids are taught appropriate social behaviors as well as how to read social cues. The typically developing kids learn compassion, kindness & acceptance of others. In theory, anyway.

        There can be tells, but not all autistic kids avoid eye contact, not all sway, rock or fidget to self-calm. Most, but not all have a swirl on the crown of their head. Many perseverate on justice on fairness; if they are treated unfairly or witness unfairness, an autistic kid becomes a heat-seeking missile until the wrong is righted.

        I’m not an expert & there’s much I do not understand about the BadWolfKid. But these things should by now, be common knowledge.

        The point I’m making is that knowing the child is autistic or not is immaterial. Pence did not use his good manners. And that sweet little fella pointed it out.

        • Serai 1

          I don’t even know where to start with any of that. Just… fucking hell. I can’t imagine thinking that way about kids. Whatever.

  • John Resistant Tovarich Smith

    I thought it was Hemmer calling himself a gay woman and a feminist in the apology!

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Tammy Bruce is a GOP-supporting out lesbian. That may or may not mean she is self-loathing on some level, but she is *definitely* a resentment/hostility machine in the mold of Malkin, Coulter, Bolton, etc. I don’t think she feels bad for making fun of that kid; she’s just trying to cover her ass professionally.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    Fox cannot apologize enough to anyone for anything. It has made our country infinitely more dangerous, craven and stupid.

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea

    Tammy Bruce is kind of odd. According to Wikipedia, she was in the activist group ACT UP, and was part of a feminist group working to counter the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue. She was president of a chapter of NOW until they censured her and then she apparently decided they and the left all sucked.

    By 2004 she was arguing that marriage should be limited to heterosexuals because not all gay people wanted marriage equality, and arguing that liberal feminism is all wrong because someone finally needs to stand up and say it’s okay for women to be wives and mothers.

    • Bitter Scribe

      Yeah, that sounds pretty odd. Gay people who don’t want to get married don’t have to, and women who want to be wives and mothers are perfectly free to try to find men to marry them and father their children. Why can’t “social conservatives” just mind their fucking business?

      • Serai 1

        Because they’re bossy little kids who want to stick their fingers in everyone’s pie.

    • Serai 1

      When one setback can upend your whole political attitude, I gotta figure you don’t have much integrity to begin with.

  • eka

    kid impresses me, autistic or not. to be able to speak clearly and calmly to an adult, especially a high profile adult and in a busy environment – I don’t know if I can even do that now. As a kid I’d probably have tried to find a place to hide. Hell, I’d still like a place to hide when there are lots of people around.

  • Nockular cavity

    Well, I never. HARUMPH! Kids in the old days would never stalk adults saying, “Excuse me!”

  • Khavrinen

    “It’s good Fox News has apologized for yelling at an autistic little boy. Maybe they should not yell at little kids to begin with?”

    Jeebus, Dok, you just want to ruin all Fox’s fun, don’t you? “Don’t yell at little kids”, “Don’t report blatant lies and call it ‘News'”, “Don’t help elect a racist, narcissistic sociopath that will destroy the entire fucking country”. Next you’ll tell them they can’t have any of those cakes we like.

  • chiefkurtz

    So, Barron is now fair game Fox?

    • Three Finger Salute

      I feel so bad for that little boy. The only Trump I have any sympathy for, because he didn’t ask for any of this, and doesn’t deserve to be part of that circus family. News came out just yesterday that the school Barron is going to in Maryland is some kind of special-needs school that prides itself on its use of neuroscience research to make the curriculum “inclusive of all abilities.” If Barron was fine and had nothing wrong with him, Melania wouldn’t be looking for a school that went out of their way to include that phrase in their mission statement. Something is the matter with poor little Barron.

      Trump screwed up bigly by having another kid at 60 with a woman who was 40. New studies show that old sperm contributes just as much to childhood brain disorders like autism and major mental illnesses as old eggs to, especially, Down’s. For the best interest of the child, I think dirty old men should have to get vasectomies so that they don’t reproduce with their midlife-crisis arm candy. I know this borders on eugenics, but really, the kids don’t ask to come into this world being broken from the start, so why can’t something be done to ensure that they don’t have to suffer? Isn’t it a valid debate to be had for the interest of curtailing an epidemic and promoting the public health?

      • DT


      • Serai 1

        One of the known markers for autism is the age of the father.

        Just sayin’.

  • chicken thief

    “I’m very sorry, I didn’t mean to bop you,”

    Pence said, before continuing “your parents, otoh, now we’re gonna totally fuck the shit out of them unless they happen to be multi-millionaires.”

  • timpundit

    I , too, hope they’ll model their future apologies on this one.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      They could go as far as to harikari their entire network’s programming. If they really meant it.

  • zerosumgame0005

    yep, if you want updates on Hillary or Pizzagate or that kid who got killed (Seth) in DC or any other conspiracy read Mediaite comments…

  • TX Dept. of Space Tacos

    it’s my understanding (so don’t give this more than a grain of salt) that autistic kids get overwhelmed easy – i imagine being in a small room, tightly packed together wiht lots of people and lights and cameras probably already had that kid feeling anxious. Shit, it gives me the heebie-jeebies.

    Poor kid – but good on him for standing up for himself.

    • Gigglesnort

      Also: most people would be annoyed by being touched by a stranger as in this case but it can annoy kids on the spectrum way more than most people would be annoyed.

  • Lyly Sirivong

    What unhappy childhoods these people must have had.

  • whitroth

    You wanna know what’s wrong with Faux News, and all the people on the other side of the culture war?

    Simple: they think that Figures Of Authority, whether it’s the father or the VP, deserver respect, always (never mind the libertidiot “question authority”, except…).

    I never did that to my kids. Respect is fucking EARNED, not Handed Down From Above #insert MontyPythonPicturesOfAngels”

    And you earn respect, among other ways, by treating them as people. “Do as I say, not as I do”, writes you completely out of the respect category to the asshole category.

    • Bitter Scribe

      They deserve respect unless they’re Presidenting While Black.

    • Serai 1

      I was raised by parents like that. Yep, it pretty much destroyed my ability to respect them.

  • norcalOG

    They may have been modeling their discontent on the Bible story where Jesus accidentally clipped a little boy with his robe. When the boy protested, one of the disciples–Judas, I think-got in the boy’s face and said, “Shut the fuck up, kid. You should be glad he even touched you.”
    That was the same day Jesus began charging extra for difficult healings.
    If more people were familiar with scripture, these happenings would be better explained.

  • Nephilim

    The Faux News network’s has developed a reputation for bullying, blacklisting, exaggerating, dirty tricks, racist comments, and have no problem exploiting tragedy for political gain. They bait the left and then nitpick about how the PC police is ruining America. This may be an apology but the comment shouldn’t been said in the first place. Nothing will change at Faux.

  • gratuitous

    No, it’s not really an apology. It comes pretty close, but it’s not an apology. Their excuse is they didn’t know the kid was autistic; the implication is that everything they said on their national platform about an 8-year-old kid would have been 100% A-OK except the damn kid turned out to be autistic, and now even the stone-brains we cater to see how cruel our comments were. Otherwise, it’s fine to criticize 8-year-olds for asking to be treated like human beings, the fragile little snowflakes! Toughen up! Goddam 8-year-olds think they’re entitled to consideration just because they’re 8! By the Christ, we’re going to nip this overdeveloped sense of entitlement in the fucking bud!

    Not an apology.

    • m3bosha

      All the agrees. It was still a notpology. She was only sorry because she was caught. If she hadn’t been called out, she’d do it a thousand times more for a paycheck.


        And only publicly apologizing, because of the optics of doing this wrong to such a patently publicly sympathetic figure.

        Thank goodness the boy wasn’t black. Can you even imagine?

    • Serai 1

      So we could call it a non-apology apology.

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    Barack and Michelle fist bump: TERRORIST FIST JAB

    Kid asks for apology for bopping: TERRIBLE SNOWFLAKE SPOILED BRAT

  • Bitter Scribe

    Good for Tammy Bruce for apologizing. (And good for Dok for mentioning it.)

    That said, one of the most frustrating things about having a family member on the autism spectrum (as I did) is that autism 1) manifests itself entirely through behavior (as opposed to being a visible condition like Down Syndrome) and 2) has causes that are as yet unknown (again, in contrast to Down Syndrome, whose genetic cause has been known for decades). This is why people who would never dream of sneering at a Down Syndrome child feel perfectly OK calling autistic children snowflakes, brats, etc.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Well, a lot of autism diagnoses are coming about from “autism panic” and the so-called “cultural autism” and self-diagnosis fad that used to just be called geeks or social misfits. There’s been such misinfo/disinfo in the media about what constitutes “autism,” that parents end up biting their nails afraid that their children will be good at math or like Star Wars (and do everything possible so that they don’t).

      Aspergermania has turned into full-blown anti-intellectualism even worse than is already part of American culture (as Richard Hofstadter — no relation to Leonard — wrote about 60 years ago). People hear on the news or from some idiotic Facebook meme that if your child is “smart,” he/she is probably autistic, so they try to discourage their kids from academic achievement out of fear that they have a debilitating brain disorder. The last thing any parent wants is for their kid to be Sheldon Cooper, and never get invited to prom or be too gangly and awkward not to make the football team. Perfectly fine if he bashes his developing brain in on the gridiron, but ZOMG don’t let my kid be such a nerd he advances two grades and goes to MIT! Which isn’t even what “autism” means at all, and yet that’s the image the media reinforces.

      Strangely, the reichwing militants on the chansites like to refer to their Dalek mentality as “weaponized autism” even though they nevertheless like to pick on those who are legitimately diagnosed. I don’t agree with the glamorization of mental illnesses or disabilities that’s happening a lot in TV, movies, etc., or the unprofessionalism of “posthumous diagnoses” of i.e. Einstein, Turing, Newton, etc. People are distrustful of legitimate expertise, and so they rely on what Jenny McCarthy says or some stupid self-quiz from Wired Magazine. I wish science would hurry up and find a genetic test for it, so that these conspiracy theories can be put to rest.

      • DT

        But what if there isn’t a genetic marker?

      • Bitter Scribe

        Sorry, but I just don’t buy concern about autism as some sort of anti-intellectual thing, and I really don’t think that “a lot of autism diagnoses are coming about from ‘autism panic.'” At least not from people who know what they’re talking about.

        My own perspective is colored by the fact that my brother was an autistic high-schooler in the early 1960s, when practically no one had even heard of autism. His condition made him do absurdly inappropriate things, like write love letters to the quarterback of the football team. As you might imagine, he was physically assaulted, and as for the assholes in charge at the school, their idea of protecting him was pressuring our parents to pull him out of school.

        When I collected his psychiatric records in the course of applying for SSI on his behalf, the diagnoses were all over the map: manic depression, schizophrenia, etc. Even the psychologist who finally diagnosed him accurately admitted that he wouldn’t have been able to do so as recently as ten years previously.

        So I just don’t believe that mental illness is glamorized or that autism is over-diagnosed. Autistic people suffered for decades–centuries–with no prospect of help. They certainly don’t deserve to be stigmatized by some sort of weird backlash now that the world is aware of what autism is.

    • Serai 1

      Not agreeing with the “good for her”, sorry. As Stephen King said, “‘sorry’ is the Kool-Aid of human emotions”. SHE SHOULDN’T HAVE SAID THAT SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

  • Jo Mathie

    I work with a Girl Guides group that is held in a school for children with special needs. Some of our girls have no problems, some are autistic or have Downs Syndrome. All of them would have been pissed off about not being apologized to. Good on the kid for getting one. It shouldn’t matter if the child has a health condition – it’s not being a “snowflake” it’s basic politeness – you lead by example.

  • as a gay woman and feminist, I’ve spent my adult life working to improve the lives of women and children and those who are disenfranchised.
    I disagree. Mostly heartfelt, maybe, benefit of the doubt, but by this line, she STILL turned it around to be all about her.
    6/10 tho, much better than most of the apologies we do not get from these aggrieved dingbats.
    (also, ” I’ve spent my adult life working to improve the lives of women and children and those who are disenfranchised” that is why I work for Fox News? What?)

    • JustDon’tSayFlatEarth

      Ups for the parenthetical part

  • An Outhouse for the Resistance

    “My intention was never to hurt a kid and his mom.”
    Yes, yes it was. You’re a lying skank Ann Coulter wanna be. STFU.

  • JohnBull

    The apology was needed and seemed okay to me. Just………..for the love of God………..THINK before you attack a little boy, or before you attack anyone, you bunch of angry people. Is that really so hard? Would you say that to your own kid?

  • Lefty Wright

    The kid should have wiped his nose on Pence’s coat sleeve.

  • AmusedAmused

    Well the, clearly Bruce and Hemmer aren’t Real Conservatives. The next act of our Ballet De La Merlaison will feature angry Fox News fans fuming about Political Correctness Run Amok and demand for these two to be fired, impeached and burned at the stake.

    • Three Finger Salute

      The network is playing bigly yuge damage control, trying to be the “new and improved” and “kinder, gentler” Fox under Uday and Qusay Murdoch now that Billo the clown has been (mercifully) purged (not because he’s a disgusting pervert but because him being a disgusting pervert was costing them advertising bucks). The core viewing audience (average age of 72) must be aghast that there’s a lesbian employed there, and probably several of them have already gone into cardiac arrest.

      As for Bill Hemmer, I remember from CNN’s defunct morning show with Soledad O’Brien and political commentator Jack Cafferty. He looks like they pulled him out of a 1950s sitcom. I don’t think you can get much more squeaky clean than an uber-Catholic from Ohio who is so self-flagellating he’s a Bengals fan.

      And, yes, like you said, neither of them fits in well with the WWE-style Two Minute Hate material that the core Fox audience demands. Even Carlson is tame and boring compared to the walking heart attack that was O’Reilly. Which means Fox is going to be on their way out as the olds die off, cable continues to decline, and the alt-reich millennials flock to hardcore blogs and YouTube outlets like Rebel Media and the redpill/MRA forums.

  • El_Pinche

    Tammy Bruce’s alt-right username is “ReichQueeny”

  • JustDon’tSayFlatEarth

    Problem is, they’re going to need to make more apologies like that.


    They better start practicing now. I might feel like accepting apologies after I’ve heard them repeated non-stop for a heat-death-of-the-universe or two.

  • AmusedAmused

    Sorry, not giving them credit, even their audience is gonna howl in anger. An apology that devolves into self-praise is no apology at all.

    • Serai 1

      I’m really tired of being told I should give credit to fuckheads who are deliberately fuckheads, just because they realize that their fuckheadedness is hurting THEM.

  • TundraGrifter

    I was standing in line at a store a while ago and this idiot in front of me was complaining like crazy and he started waving his arms around and he swept one arm back towards me so I just blocked it with my forearm up and he turned around and started to get into my grill and demanding to know what I was doing and I just stood there and looked at him and quietly told him I really didn’t feel like getting smacked in the face.

    And that was that.

  • DT

    wow. I mean… just… wow. In a story that actually makes us look upon Mike Pence with… well at least not scorn, and THIS is the one where they feel the need to attack a child?

    • unionthuggery

      Yeah, this story almost humanizes Pence.

    • Mark H. Sherwin

      Stopped clocks are right 2 times a day, still does not make them good clocks.

  • Serai 1

    I can’t imagine having a head so full of vomit.

  • In the Alterna-Fox universe, there is no other grave evil than (gasp) compassion and consideration

  • Kip TW

    Imagine, that grubby little snipe thinking that respect to one’s elders could possibly be reciprocal! What naïve parents it must have!

    • Serai 1

      Interesting that they lambasted the kid for asking for an apology, but not Pence for giving one. You’d think they’d find something to say about the VP being a spineless toady for being polite to a little kid.

  • baconzgood

    My intention was to be an ass hat. Now that Bill-O is gone we’re all vying for being the Network douche bag.

    • Zyxomma

      Good to see you here, baconzgood.

      • baconzgood


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  • guppy06

    Ask for an apology? Kid should have Stood His Ground, as Only An Armed Society is a Polite Society.

    • phoenix00

      You see Columbine would have been totally avoided, and Sandy Hook is still FAKE NEWS.

  • So – I guess it’s open season on BarrDELETE DELETE DELETE

  • Really when it comes down to it, Conservatives don’t care about truth, facts or data….

    It’s all about their FEELINGS of racism.

  • gingerland62

    Tammy Bruce- Fox’s token lesbian feminist. (Two birds one stone)Proving even lesbian Feminists can be as assholes.

  • unionthuggery

    So often the right’s screams of “political correctness run amok”, is just cover for their desire to live without basic manners, politeness, or decency.

  • Peggy’s Pizza House

    “Now look, he’s seen it either on television, maybe he’s seen it at home perhaps”

    So . . . from TV and his home life he learned that it’s common practice for people who’ve been hit in the face to receive an apology. WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO.

  • Mark H. Sherwin

    Remember, from the start she said – “guess we’re giving birth to snowflakes now, because that looked like that kid needed a safe space in that room”

    Then she as the fucking gall to say

    ” I’ve spent my adult life working to improve the lives of women and children and those who are disenfranchised.”

    Fuck you, you were all good with shitting on the kid if he was not autistic.

  • Maybe

    It figures that the FOX he-men would be terrorized by the notion of an 8 year old stalker.

  • Heyzeus Ahchay

    The kid is smarter and quicker-thinking and has more fortitude than Bruce and Hemmer combined. Fuck you and your apology, assholes.

  • It’s Me

    “Oh hey, there’s nothing else to report on – let’s bully this kid!”

    Fox News, everyone – number one basic cable channel.

    We are all fuckered.

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