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We’re going to suggest an official motto for the Trump Administration: “That Probably Could Have Gone Better.” It just seems to fit so many situations, like the healthcare bill dying twice before pissing everyone off, Trump’s First Military Fuckup, the Great Big Syria Revenge Bombing, the Obama Wire Tapp, pleasing Democrats by firing James Comey for being mean to Hillary Clinton… you get the idea. At least when Education Secretary Betsy DeVos went to Daytona Beach, Florida, on Wednesday to deliver a commencement speech at historically black university Bethune-Cookman U, it didn’t result in any loss of life or constitutional crisis. But still, That Probably Could Have Gone Better.

Students and alumni of Bethune-Cookman had protested the decision to invite DeVos from the moment it was announced, and this week delivered several different petitions with a total of some 60,000 signatures calling on the administration to withdraw the invitation, so it should surprise no one that when DeVos began to speak, may among the graduating class stood and turned their backs to her in protest. Why were the young folks so angry and rude? It wasn’t simply that DeVos had made that astonishingly clueless statement celebrating historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) as bastions of providing “more options” to students under segregation, as if Jim Crow were merely a matter of unfortunate market incentives. That heaping pile of dumbth — which DeVos sort of acknowledged was off-key — was plenty to start with, but students and alumni at the ceremony also said they objected to DeVos’s policy commitments, mostly her devotion to dismantling public schools in the name of “choice”:

Several said they believed she would make it harder for them and other students to get financial aid or to pay back their college loans. Some stressed they had attended traditional public schools, which they feared would be undermined by DeVos’ promotion of charter schools and vouchers.

“I just feel like she cannot relate,” said Jasmine Smith, a 21-year-old incoming junior from Fort Lauderdale.

Brent Franklin, who traveled from Los Angeles to attend his daughter’s graduation, said DeVos “knows nothing about HBCUs and how they were founded.”

The students were also plenty angry at the university’s president, Edison O. Jackson, who had invited DeVos in the first place, and whose response to the protests struck many as condescending. The boos started before DeVos even began speaking, when Jackson introduced Trump Official Black Person Omarosa Manigault, who has a White House job because she was on “The Apprentice” and is appropriately deferential to Mr. Trump, sir. Students booed Omarosa, and Jackson took the mic to say, “You don’t know her. You don’t know her story” — which coincidentally is what Kid Zoom used to say when I insisted he pick up his socks.

Then it was time to give DeVos an honorary degree, and while some faculty on the dais applauded, the students booed; once she began speaking, backs were turned, boos got louder, and one student was escorted out after giving a Black Power salute.

DeVos certainly tried to say all the right things about civility and respectful dialogue, and at one point addressed a specific issue students had raised, saying the Trump administration has proposed restoring funding for year-round Pell Grants (as opposed to grants only disbursed during the academic year). She even tried to position herself as the students’ advocate, saying “I am at the table fighting on your behalf, and on behalf of all students across this great nation,” a claim that was met with loud skepticism, particularly after Donald Trump last week said he thought special funding for HBCUs might be unconstitutional, a position he later backtracked on, promising in a statement his “unwavering support” for the institutions.

At one point during DeVos’s speech, Jackson — a gentleman who appears to be constructed entirely of movie cliches about clueless academic bureaucrats — admonished the students that if they didn’t sit down and behave right now their diplomas would be mailed to them and they wouldn’t walk across the stage to receive them, and how would they like that, hmmm? HMMMM? (We have embellished only slightly.)

Earlier in the day, DeVos did have a sit-down with a dozen student leaders, who seemed pleased that she’d come to listen to their concerns; former student body president Jacari Harris was awfully happy about the meeting:

“She’s awesome. I’m so glad she’s here,” Harris said. “She’s very transparent. She has a listening ear. We told her about some of the issues we are facing, about students who are single parents or come from single-parent families, even students who are homeless, and she agreed that we need to find a way to address all of this. She knows the need. It was a great dialogue.”

In her speech, DeVos returned several times to the theme of listening carefully to those we disagree with and hearing them out, in the name of dialogue and growth and compromise, which sounds simply wonderful and which may actually describe the operating principles a Trump administration in some wonderful alternate universe.

In a statement Wednesday night, DeVos also said all the right things, including a nice line about the students who went all First Amendment at her:

“One of the hallmarks of higher education, and of democracy, is the ability to converse with and learn from those with whom we disagree,” DeVos said. “I have respect for all those who attended [the commencement], including those who demonstrated their disagreement with me.”

That sounds great! If only we had any confidence it meant anything at all under this president. Had Trump himself been there, can anyone doubt he’d have yelled “Get ’em out of here” at the students and reminisced about the good old days when protesters would be taken out on a stretcher?

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  • memzilla Ω

    “The natural instinct is to join in the chorus of conflict, to make your voice louder, your point bigger and your position stronger,” she said. “But we will not solve the significant and real problems our country faces if we cannot bring ourselves to embrace a
    mind-set of grace.”

    Translation: “Let me whitesplain it to you black people: Obama’s gone and now you have to sit down and be quiet again.”

  • Michael Smith

    Why would she even go do this? Is this the Nixonian strategy of inciting liberals to anger in order to convince voters that yours is the more reasonable side?

    • Lascauxcaveman

      I think she’s just dumb, like her boss. With being who she is, what she’s done, and what she plans to do to the public education system, how could she possibly expect this crowd to welcome her warmly, and give respect to what she’s going to say?

      “I’m going to smile and politely explain just how badly I’m going to fuck up education in this country, and you’re going to politely smile and nod, because you’re all grownups now.” What utter bullshit.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        She grew up in a bubble. She’s never been told that she isn’t perfect and wonderful at everything she does.

  • mrFawkes

    “You don’t know her. You don’t know her story and as of this moment you’re all on double secret probation. Now report to the Amway rehabilitation and brainwashing facility,” added Jackson

  • JohnBull

    The problem is we DO know her and her story. Nothing about this woman is positive.

  • Michael Smith

    And yeah this Jackson guy sounds like he may possess the lack of self awareness necessary for a job in the Trump administration!

  • Marceline

    Here’s why I’m so proud of these young people: they protested in a way that didn’t allow DeVos to play the free speech martyr like Milo and Coulter. Take notes, Berkeley.

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      No.

      First of all, no shaming a diverse student body for standing against hate speech, which is deliberately intended to make some students feel unsafe.

      Second, no shaming paying students for deciding who should or should not get a platform funded by their tuition.

      • Marceline

        FFS, I’m not “shaming” anyone. I’m pointing out how a tactic is self-defeating. I’m all for protesting but there are more effective ways to do it than what we’ve seen at Berkeley and this is an example of that. DeVos doesn’t get to claim her free speech was infringed and the students got to exercise theirs.

        Some of these newborn revolutionaries might want to look at things like vigils and silent protests. (For example, here’s UC Davis doing a silent protest after the pepper spraying incident. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmfIuKelOt4 ) Or perhaps check out some of the video from the Civil Rights Movement and watch how people sitting at lunch counters held their ground silently in the face of horrific assaults. I’m guessing that the Civil Rights Movement might have informed how the students at Bethune-Cookman responded. Frankly part of me thinks the Administration sent DeVos to an HBCU in the hopes of provoking a “black Berkeley” and I’m damn proud of the students for not giving them one.

        • (((fka_donnie_d)))

          Point somewhat taken about how the history of racial protest may have informed what this specific group did. And, granted, “take note Berkeley” does not definitively fit the bill as shaming.

          However….

          A)

          If nonviolent protest was so effective in the 60s, why are we being ruled by a fascist? And, before you come back with “he wasn’t elected”, in 2016 arguably the last remaining superpower shouldn’t be anywhere near this bullshit. If Hillary had won by single digits we would still have cause for concern.

          B)

          What the fuck makes you think that the “violent left” narrative is driven by any behavior of anybody on the left, violent or otherwise? Certainly Breitbart will continue to find violent leftists under the couch cushions as long as their subscribers pay them to do so. Or, do you think the FBI was surveiling MLK because they really thought he was a threat to national security?

          C)

          Do you really think that Devo’s(who may or may not have brought federal Leos for protection) is in the same position as Milo and Coulter (who absolutely did bring sa cosplayers for protection)?

          • Marceline

            “If nonviolent protest was so effective in the 60s, why are we being ruled by a fascist? ”

            The electoral college. In every other civilized country the winner of the popular vote wins the election. Trump won because of 80,000 votes in three states. That would fit in the Rose Bowl and leave 12,000 empty seats.

            “What the fuck makes you think that the “violent left” narrative is driven by any behavior of anybody on the left, violent or otherwise? ”

            I’m not referring to “the violent left.” I’m talking about people who think that the response to everything should be a march or rally (which are then predictably co-opted by antifas and anarchists.)

            “Do you really think that Devos (who may or may not have brought federal Leos for protection) is in the same position as Milo and Coulter (who absolutely did bring sa cosplayers for protection)?”

            I’m not talking about the people. I’m talking about tactics. Milo and Coulter love to play the victim and big screaming mobs feed their need for attention. IMO, a better protest would be to buy up as many of the tickets as possible and let them speak to an empty hall or do what these students did and turn their backs. So yeah, take note, Berkeley.

          • (((fka_donnie_d)))

            So, now there are a few reasons not to take you at all seriously. I’ll start with the most obvious and move on to the others as needed.

            You are suggesting that people who already paid tuition, if the school administration has invited speakers which make some of them feel unsafe, should spend _more of their own money_ to protest. College students, who are known for the size of their bank accounts and the number of their stock options.

            Maybe they should use some of that Soros money.

          • Marceline

            Of course the students at Bethune Cookman also had all of those issues to deal with and they still managed to protest in a way that didn’t turn DeVos into a free speech martyr. There’s nothing stopping the students at Berkeley from doing a GoFundMe or work with campus groups or alumni to pool some money and buy tickets. But that’s not as much fun as having a big ole march is it? People like Milo and Coulter keep trolling Berkeley because the response is predictable. The unwillingness to even consider other protest tactics or do even the tiniest bit of strategizing is going to be the thing that eventually gets people hurt or killed.

            Also notice that you’ve moved on to personal attacks? That why many on the left make such lousy allies. It their way or the highway and those of us who don’t fall in line get ‘splained at.

          • (((fka_donnie_d)))

            Oh, this is absolutely delicious. Specific quote where I personally attacked you, or STFU and GTFO. If it soothes your butthurt, I can edit the first sentence to replace “you” with “your arguments”. I would still defend the position that a person who makes so many ridiculous arguments is not worth taking seriously, but it’s not germane to the content. I don’t consider that a personal attack in the slightest.

            But, like I said, if it makes you feel better…

            Why in the world do you think that Berkeley students should, in any way, participate in giving Milo or Coulter money? These people think that many of them are not entitled to basic human rights. Why is gathering money via GoFundMe less offensive than paying from their own pockets? I mean, your suggestion is not that different from blackmail – “pay us, or we will show up at your workplace and call you disgusting subhumans”.

            Rational hamster is not very rational, details at 11.

  • Shoto

    To be fair, maybe these students were just trying to ask DeVos how they could get in on that whole Amway thing. That would be a great career move after graduating, right?

  • BearGHAZI

    “DeVos returned several times to the theme of listening carefully to those we disagree with and hearing them out, in the name of dialogue and growth and compromise”

    Screw dialogue and growth and compromise. Illegitimate president, fake education secretary. Good on those students for turning their own grad ceremony into an ugly scene, IMHO

  • Mpeg

    Next up: OranguTan-in-Chief gives commencement speech to the graduating class of Liberty U.

    I’m not making it up. I don’t know whether to pop more popcorn for its upcoming coverage, or throw up some more in my mouth a little LOT~

    • therblig

      “Be Godly when you grab pussies. Amen” – DJT

  • Shibusa

    $200,000,000 can buy you a Trump Administration Cabinet position but it can’t buy you respect.

    • Crystalclear12

      Might get you 3 hots and a cot though.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        God, I hope so.

  • ArgieBargie

    “Congratulations, you pioneers of school choice!”

  • memzilla Ω
    • anwisok

      Doesn’t exactly tell us much, though. Search warrants? Arrest warrants? Why should we assume they have anything to do with the Administration? Could be drugs/racketeering/RICO stuff.

      • memzilla Ω

        This does:
        “ANNAPOLIS, Md. — The FBI confirms agents are executing a search warrant at an office of a GOP fundraiser/consulting firm in Annapolis, the 11 News I-Team has learned.

        The investigation is being run out of Washington, not locally, the I-Team has learned.

        The FBI used trash bags to cover a window at the offices of Strategic Campaign Group.

        The firm is touted for pioneering the use of technology in political campaigns, and it represents GOP candidates nationwide.”

        The likelihood of it being unrelated to Dolt 45 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3a8d9cb39cb90bb2e6d956ff601cc65a8220d39922169da4e1b816d115a03a1d.jpg is low.
        .

  • Yr. Gma

    Did you even know Kid Zoom had met Omarosa?

  • JohnBull

    What’s the point of “listening carefully to those we disagree with” when your plan all along is to screw them anyway? Want to help the world, Bets? Just do nothing for the next four years. Go to work, collect your paycheck, drink out of those paper cones at the water cooler and throw pencils at the ceiling. Please.

    • Lulu Mac

      I suggest she spend as much of her time as possible researching and reporting on the danger that grizzly bears pose to our public education system…I mean, think of the children. Betsy!

    • BearGHAZI

      Grifters gonna grift

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    She’s quite a showboat. That’s a firing offense in Little Donnie’s administration. Watch out Ben Carson!

  • Ah, so that’s the reverse standing ovation I’ve been hearing about.

    • Al Swearengen

      DeVos just invented it.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    Who knew?

  • Oblios_Cap

    Erik will send in the hired guns and take those protestors out. Gotta defend the Family honor, you know.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Next time, they send in KellyAnn and have all those students arrested for being too aggressive in her space.

    • Lulu Mac

      Sexist, also too…

      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        Oh right, yes. Poor dear.

  • Michael R

    She should never have hired Phil Robertson as her speech writer .

    “I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’ – not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: ‘Were they happy?’ They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      Everytime I read that quote, I think “Phil Robertson obviously never heard of Robert Johnson.”

  • DrBigHead

    There is no way I could have watched that. Even with her it would have been too painful.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Those hooligans would probably laugh at His Evil Elviness Jeff Sessions.

    • Spurning Beer

      Dean Wormer needs to have a meeting with those troublemakers.

  • William

    Well in all fairness she insults any institution of higher learning she sets foot in.https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e896248953e81b7867759c0fc136dda79681a4f5e9cee1c43b75ed8b6a69f248.jpg

    • Beanz&Berryz

      Except Trump University. RIP

    • Lulu Mac

      I remember that stoopid fake ass smile plastered on Dicky Devos’ face when he ran for Michigan governor. Still terrifying…

    • DrBigHead

      Now I’ve been known to commit a grammatical error or two when rushed, but for Christ’s sake, have some pride. You are the Secretary of Education. Behave like you had one.

    • Really missed an opportunity to write “see me after class” on the pic.

  • Shibusa

    I wouldn’t mind hearing DeVos tell us all about the connections between Trump Tower Russia email server and the Betsy DeVos-controlled company Spectrum Health. http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/fbi-investigation-continues-into-odd-computer-link-between-russian-bank-and-trump-organization/

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Donald Trump last week said he thought special funding for HBCUs might be unconstitutional, a position he later backtracked on, promising in a statement his “unwavering support” for the institutions.

    What the fuck now?

    Trump suggests financing for historically black colleges may be unconstitutional

    President Donald Trump signaled Friday that he may not implement a 25-year-old federal program that helps historically black colleges finance construction projects on their campuses, suggesting that it may run afoul of the Constitution.

    In a signing statement on the $1.1 trillion omnibus government spending bill, Trump singled out the Historically Black College and University Capital Financing Program as an example of provisions in the funding bill “that allocate benefits on the basis of race, ethnicity, and gender.”

    Trump said his administration would treat those programs “in a manner consistent with the requirement to afford equal protection of the law under the Due Process Clause of the Constitution’s Fifth Amendment.”’

    How’s that outreach working for you, Bethune-Cookman administrators who defended the invite?

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    Nothing devalues the degree you are receiving for hard work than having someone who reached her lofty perch by virtue of birth and wealth be invited to lecture you about “hard work”.

    • Al Swearengen

      A wealth built on a predatory pyramid scheme.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Joe Biden spoke at my commencement – now there is someone who truly did get where they are going via hard work and determination.

  • kaydenpat

    Why did Ms. Devoss feel that she would be welcomed at a majority Black University in the first place to give a commencement speech? She has a lot of nerve. The President who invited her to speak needs to be replaced with someone more sensible.

    They should have booed her off the stage.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I really wish they hadn’t invited her. She’s too dumb to understand why people dislike her.

      • kaydenpat

        And that dolt Omarosa introduced Devos. What did those poor students do to deserve all that?

        • Al Swearengen

          They booed her ass too.

    • C4TWOMAN

      This goes back to their terminal cluelessness. Like they were surprised people are mad Comey was fired.

      Dude, you fired the guy investigating you, like a guilty person! What did you think was going to happen?

  • Certified Green Bastard

    I’m surprised they didn’t send Melania, what w her growing up a poor, Black child n all…

    • boyblue122

      on the south side of Chicago…

    • Shanzgood

      She won’t put down the lamp. That’s the REAL reason she never leaves Trump Tower.

      • Certified Green Bastard

        ITS ALL SHE NEEDS!

      • boyblue122

        is that a Game of Thrones reference?

    • kaydenpat

      LOL!! I wonder what Melania did in her previous life to reincarnate as the third wife of an odious creep. Must have been something bad.

      • Certified Green Bastard

        Maybe she was Hitler. Think how bad* that would be: now you have to be the kicked-around fuckpuppet of a shitty, stupid you-impersonator. Yikes.

        *”Bad” as in, perfectly fitting. Damn Satan, you twisted.

  • Alternative motto for the Trump Administration: https://media0.giphy.com/media/Vhk9HwPx3TO0w/giphy.gif

  • I’ve noticed something about marginalized people who play toady for the bad guys: To a person, they all look like they haven’t pooped for a week. Like the strain of trying to avoid getting stomped by the guys in power by sucking up to them just completely seizes their sphincters up.

  • Major_Major_Major

    Dok, is center alignment the norm and I have never noticed it? If so, IMHO, it is no bueno.

    • FlemmishSpy

      Everything here at wonket should be left of center.

      • Major_Major_Major

        Pinned to the far left, if ya ask me.

    • doktorzoom

      Sorry, I was trying to help the marginalized (sorry, there was no justification for that pun).

      That or I fucked up closing a tag (fixed)

      • Major_Major_Major

        Just for that horrible abuse of puns, I’ll be keeping tabs on you from here on out.

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    Everything about this makes me cringe. The very idea of it, the occurrence of it, the inevitable response to it. I just can’t.

  • boyblue122

    OT – ruh roh GOP…maybe we found out the reason why everyone in the GOP is stonewalling the Russian investigation

    https://twitter.com/jemillerwbal/status/862728237960622081

  • Shibusa

    https://media.giphy.com/media/xNT2CcLjhbI0U/giphy.gif
    These two were relieved to see Betsy D leaving town.

  • DrBigHead

    I know this is not the open thread, but this can’t wait.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-russia-probe-continue-no-white-house-updates-fbi-director-hearing-a7730856.html

    Apologies if this has already been brought to folks attention.

  • ManchuCandidate

    Two stereotypes on display here…
    University Preznit who is an ass kissing weasel.
    Former Student Council Prez who is a proto-ass kissing weasel.

    The only thing transparent about DeVos is her plan in making common US America Dumberer Again and safe for 1%ers to be the only edumakated peeple in US Amercia.

  • Anna Rompage

    So how much exactly does a conservative white woman need to donate to a Historically Black University to attain an honorary degree?

    • Relativicus

      The question should be “How many HIBC’s have to grant a conservative white woman an honorary degree in order to preserve their loan program?”

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    On a more pleasant note…Bethune-Cookman set the Guiness record for group side eye.

  • Oneofthebobs

    Seems kind of like having Amy Goodman deliver the keynote address at the Republican convention.

    • OrG

      THAT would be great!

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    Nobody ever tells them “This would look bad, so don’t do this.” If they do, then 45 shitcans them for it.

    • boyblue122

      Even if they dont him to do something, he’ll find a fallguy

  • Joe Beese
    • An Outhouse for the Resistance

      My, someone’s ass is getting fat.

      • C4TWOMAN

        All that late night ice cream and Tweeting….

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Ajax defending its 4-1 lead against Olympique Lyonais in 15 minutes. In case I have a nervous break down it was nice knowing you all.

  • Sedagive ’em Hell

    Alternative praise.

  • JohnBull

    In related news, Russian president Vladimir Putin addressed the first re-legalized LGBT parade in Moscow in 10 years, telling the crowd he’s always been fighting on their behalf.

  • whitroth

    Fuck her and Trumpolini (not literally, *please*). How ’bout putting REAL MONEY into the Pell Grants? That the GOP has been taking away for decades?

    FACT: I worked at Philly Community College in the early ’80s in DP. I was in charge of the tape exchange with the federal government, so I can say authoritatively that 90% of the college’s funding was Pell Grants. Now look at how much students at community and four-year institution have to pay.

    Thanks, Greedy Old Plutocrats. Fuck yourselves with a 2×4.

    • Truthiness2U

      A 2X4 of votes, of course.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • C4TWOMAN

      Don’t. Don’t eat her. You’ll just have an upset bear belly and be “passing” Devos for weeks…

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Still, I fully support your right to arm bears.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Lulu Mac
  • she agreed that we need to find a way to address all of this.

    Sad to see such naive…

    That’s the Royal We. IOW, you better get bustin’. There’s more dirty dishes in the back, darling.
    https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder201/500x/54977201/big-lebowski-the-royal-we-man.jpg

  • MynameisBlarney

    A visual representation of DeVos’s speech.

    https://media4.giphy.com/media/Cm2xKEtDayFig/giphy.gif

  • An Outhouse for the Resistance

    She bought her position. The least she could do is make a great big donation to a scholarship fund or something.

    • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

      And her position is straight missionary.

  • C4TWOMAN


    Jackson — a gentleman who appears to be constructed entirely of movie cliches about clueless academic bureaucrats

    This is pure narrative brilliance.

  • MynameisBlarney

    “The battle has been joined”

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029048709

    • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

      Holy shit!

      • MynameisBlarney

        INORITE!?!

        About goddamned time too.

        • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

          I hope Turtle and Lyin are shaking in their boots.

          • MynameisBlarney

            I’d bet that the majority of the GOP is shittin’ their skivvies.

    • jesterpunk

      Wait does this mean that Trump might not be the only one going down that the GOP might go down with him?

    • Anna Elizabeth, Tank Grrl

      I hope the Justice Department goes through the GOP like shit through a goose.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Like Taco Bell through…well…me.

        • Anna Elizabeth, Tank Grrl

          XD Like Eagle Troop through the Tawalkana Republican Guard, like Patton through the Germans at Arracourt, like me spinning references Nopony will get.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Like my attempts at political humor in public.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Tank Grrl

            XD

      • Shanzgood

        7-11 burrito libelz!!!

      • BeachBum

        Third Army hates Nazis !

        • Anna Elizabeth, Tank Grrl

          Yays! Somepony got this one! XD

          • BeachBum

            Tank you berry much !

    • anwisok

      Whoa if true. End up with POTUS Orrin Hatch? Holy Shit! THAT would be something!

      • jesterpunk

        We might make it down to Mattis or have to go off the chart.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession#Current_order

        • Certified Green Bastard

          Mattis would be fine too, I think.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Tank Grrl

            What I’ve read about Mattis impressed me. I think and hope he is one of those “Warrior-Philosophers” the Marine Corps occasionally produce.

          • Certified Green Bastard

            My former Marine/Peacenik partner had good things to say abt him way before all of this, so more points in his favor.

            Maybe we can do this w/o the blood n fire. I have hope & I’ll share. ☺️

          • Anna Elizabeth, Tank Grrl

            :) Thanx. I woke up even more severely depressed than I was last night, but I am starting to have some hope there will be something besides Global Thermonuclear War to end this nightmare.

        • Msgr_MΩment

          I’m distantly related to the Queen of England (30th cousin or somesuch). I must be somewhere on that list.

        • anwisok

          I could live with that.

        • Nockular cavity

          President Laura Roslin or nothing.

        • Doug Langley

          How far down is he?

      • Certified Green Bastard

        I’d heave a MASSIVE sigh of relief to have President Ancient Mormon Weirdo.

  • Elder God’s Minion

    The problem with all the excellent dialogues that people have been having with this administration, is that these assholes promptly forget everything they seemed to agree with as soon as they leave the room.

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack
  • rosenbomb

    I almost got misty-eyed watching the graduates stand up and turn their backs.

  • Mavenmaven

    What did you expect, they are all thugs. Had any of the graduates been shot, Fox news would have smeared them and proved how they all deserved it.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      I bet some of them even smoked pot and ate Skittles

      • OrG

        Prolly have HOODIES!

        • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

          Smokes pot, ha skittles AND wears hoodies? Sounds like my kinda crowd!

  • Moebym Reborn

    I feel badly for these students whose memory of their college graduation was tainted by the presence of Betsy DeVos as the commencement speaker. That said, I hope that, in the future, they can look back at this event and feel proud of the courage they showed during their protest.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Well, at least they’ll remember it. I don’t remember anything from mine, and I was there and sober. It was just really boring.

      • Doug Langley

        My graduation was decidedly not boring. Week before, I had got a phone call from Registrar and informed I wasn’t graduating – grades were too bad. I went through the whole commencement in a daze. Was standing next to a friend who joked “Wouldn’t it be funny if they said, sorry there’s been a mistake?” I didn’t tell him.

        Happy ending: they re-added the numbers and found out my genius advisor had screwed up my classes and grades and such. I got the diploma.

        • Oblios_Cap

          Now that’s a happy ending!

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Same thing happened to me. They called me a week before graduation and announced I was short four credits and they had added it up wrong, whoops! Only they really had added it up wrong. So I spent a week creating an independent study that was total bullshit, wrote a paper on a topic that I knew nothing about, and got a B- that pulled my GPA down even farther. But it didn’t make the actual ceremony any more interesting.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          And as such, those dreams about remembering that you registered for a class the day of the final exam? I have those a lot and they feel incredibly real to me.

  • proudgrampa

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    Fuck you, Sarah Huckabee Sanders and also, Fuck Mike Pence!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/white-house-announces-commission-on-voter-fraud/2017/05/11/55d8ce2e-3674-11e7-ab03-aa29f656f13e_video.html

    Al Franken’s page said this about the new executive order helping support voter supression investigate voter fraud.

    We should be doing everything we can to make it easier to vote in our
    country, not engaging in voter suppression. That’s why I find it deeply
    disturbing that President Donald Trump—who has falsely and repeatedly
    claimed that millions of people voted illegally in the November election
    and offered no evidence to back it up—is creating a commission to
    investigate his bogus claims. And the man who reports indicate President
    Trump wants to help Vice President Pence lead this effort?
    Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, whose office is currently being
    sued for enforcing a discriminatory voter suppression measure in Kansas.
    President Trump’s claims about voter fraud are absurd, but his efforts
    to turn them into policy are a threat to the voting rights of millions
    of Americans. I agree with my colleague, Senate Majority Leader Mitch
    McConnell, who said that we shouldn’t spend taxpayer dollars on
    President Trump’s unsubstantiated claims.

  • timpundit

    1. I agree with many that some universitis are getting out of hand with banning certain speakers from their campus. After all, I am a firm believer in, ‘It’s not the speech we like that needs protecting”.

    2. It works both ways. Invite a controversial speaker that many do not like, you can’t be surprised if the audience expresses their opinions during the speech.

    • clubseal

      And it unfortunately reinforces the martyrdom complex felt by the conservative snowflakes who already think universities are liberal mindwashing machines.

    • teele

      I don’t think speakers should be banned from campuses just because they have an unpopular opinion (if you don’t like it, don’t go listen to it). However, bringing in controversial assholes to speak at a graduation has nothing to do with free speech. These people put in a lot of time, effort and resources to get that degree, and to stick it to them when they are being celebrated for their tenacity and hard work is bullshit.

  • Lulu Mac

    OT, but the poor guy must be the least memorable Russian ever. Or…

    https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/862704460803559424

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Shouldn’t we also get Iran to rein in Russia and Russia’s proxies?

    • snigsy

      So, Kislyak joined Trotsky?

  • Msgr_MΩment

    admonished the students that if they didn’t sit down and behave right now

    “Don’t make me turn the back of this bus around!”

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I take my hat off to you, Sir/Madam.

    • Contemplative Ron

      <golf clap>

  • Bitter Scribe

    Why do these assholes feel the need to inflict themselves on unwilling, captive audiences? Couldn’t DeVos have gone to speak at Pig Poke State or something, instead of ruining those kids’ graduation ceremony?

    • Cat Cafe for the Investigation

      I honestly think they truly think they’re better than these “others” and that they’ll give them a lecture and those ni[clang]s will listen because they’re inferior. Also, the person at fault is the person at the college who decided to do this–probably the same fella who shouted at the students that they could just go home and have their diplomas mailed to them–WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS ANYWAY, you don’t get your actual “diploma” onstage. I wish the kids had had the presence of mind to all walk out at that.

  • doktorzoom

    sorry, bad center tag fixed, thing should look more normaller now

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      It wasn’t that bad. :)

    • rosenbomb

      Extra points if your next post is a concrete poem

      • clubseal

        Poured soft
        Became hard
        I feel stronger

        When rebar’d

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      Didn’t notice, frankly.

    • Lulu Mac

      I just thought you were being “artsy”

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Dadgum interns.

  • Treg Brown

    It feels like something’s about to happen. Is that just me because I’m tired and need sleep?

    • jesterpunk

      Something is happening, the FBI is raiding GOP consulting firms offices right now.

      http://www.wbaltv.com/article/fbi-searching-annapolis-fundraiserconsulting-firm/9639787

    • Lulu Mac

      I’ve refused to get my hopes up about anything since Nov. 9, but…yeah…it seems like something is going down…

    • OrG

      It seems like they can’t be this brazen and keep getting away with it.

    • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

      SOmething’s about to happen. It’s not just you. Too big a confluence of event right now not to feel a strange charge.

      • Lulu Mac

        I think the FBI finally had their “when they come for me” moment…

        • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

          Let’s hope.

    • chicken thief

      I wanna know more about the FBI raid on the GOP fundraising group in Annapolis. Any updates on that? Could it be related to Trump?

      DON’T MAKE ME START SPECULATING THAT IT PROVIDED THE SLUSH FUND FOR PENCE AND RYAN TO PAY FOR THEIR RENTBOIZ!!1!!!

      • Treg Brown

        It would irresponsible of you NOT to speculate, and irresponsible of me not to encourage you. And we’re nothing if not responsible.

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    One senior F.B.I. official said that the president had severely damaged
    his standing among agents, many of whom are conservative and supported
    Mr. Trump as a candidate. Agents were angered by the way Mr. Trump fired
    Mr. Comey, who learned of his dismissal from television reports while
    he was in Los Angeles. They called it disrespectful.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/us/politics/inside-the-fbi-stunned-agents-wonder-about-future-of-russia-inquiry.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur&_r=1

    • MynameisBlarney

      OH, great…
      I guess a sense of duty to protect the bloody Constitution and ones nation isn’t enough to piss them off.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Guess not. WTF guys!

      • Lulu Mac

        Agree…but I’m not going to quibble about intent if they can get the job done…

        • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

          I’ll take what I can get too, Lulu.

        • C4TWOMAN

          Yeah, I’ll take it.
          Duty to the constitution/country would be nice, but if “they went after one of us!” get’s the job done, fine.
          Just get the job done.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          at least not right now- we’ll have time later

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      Publicly humiliating the head of the most powerful law enforcement agency in the country like he was an extra in “The Apprentice”. What could go wrong with that?

      • Doug Langley

        “Wait, he’s not in his office? Oh well, just put in on tv. I’m sure he’ll find out.”

  • C4TWOMAN

    OT: There’s nothing about Spicey in the bushes on his Wiki page:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Spicer

    Something should be done about that….

    • Certified Green Bastard

      He wasn’t hiding, he was just doing his own version of “Between Two Ferns”. Zach Galifinakis won’t return his calls.

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    If you feel like something’s about to happen, you’re not alone. The last 24 hours have been insane and the momentum has taken off faster than anything else has so far. EVen on the usually politically charged FB front, all is eerily quiet right now.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c92d5e1d06aa8df17b1367f2cfb6b03b96c026f52968028b98436ed3dd5c44e5.gif

    • C4TWOMAN

      Must watch that film again soon…

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        Great movie, No?

        • C4TWOMAN

          Definitly. I went through a phase where my friends,not sure what to get for b-day/xmas, said to themselves “Labyrinth!” I have the cassette tape, CD and dvd. Irony? Because of playback problems, I had to get a torrented copy of both the film and soundtrack.

          Reason #421 why people torrent: bad quality hard copies.

    • snigsy

      Wait for the twig snaps.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Damnit. I knew I shoulda put a few drachmas on Orrin Hatch FTW.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    This is just like slavery times two mega-Hitlers.

    • SnarkON

      -GHAZI!!

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    The deer-in-the-headlights, what the bejesus did I get myself into look that has become a permanent fixture on DeVos’ face is priceless.

    • SnarkON

      You’d think she’d have the wherewithal to say to herself, “Umm…yeah…if I give a commencement speech, the kids will hand me my head on a platter,” and graciously turn that invitation down.

      • Contemplative Ron

        She’s caught whatever-it-is that’s colonised the shitgibbon’s brain.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        These people have their heads so far up their asses that the concept of “down” has no meaning.

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

    Puhlease!

    “You see a no-talent guy like Colbert. There’s nothing funny about what
    he says. And what he says is filthy. And you have kids watching. And it
    only builds up my base. It only helps me, people like him. The guy was
    dying. By the way they were going to take him off television, then he
    started attacking me and he started doing better. But his show was
    dying. I’ve done his show. … But when I did his show, which by the way
    was very highly rated. It was high—highest rating. The highest rating
    he’s ever had.”

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2017/05/11/donald_trump_calls_stephen_colbert_filthy_in_the_wake_of_the_host_s_homophobic.html?utm_content=inf_11_2641_2&wpsrc=socialedge&tse_id=INF_87ea2350367d11e78b099bd9c6581d40

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/af8cc7f182f64232a29d7749228b25e60c2c514482213d602ad156522d8f2549.gif

    • TJ Barke

      I just want to smack the stupid out of him.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        there’d be nothing left

        • TJ Barke

          So be it.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            I wouldn’t shed a single tear

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Gonna need a bigger shovel.

      • snigsy

        My grandmother used to say that.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Betsy got very highly rated. It was high-highest rating.

      • Pre-Existing Condition Jack

        I wrote a blog post two days ago on the “9 Best Ingredients for a Good Horror Movie” that got 182 views. High-highest page view. The highest page view the internet’s ever had.

  • Bill D. Burger

    With all that’s going on, what’s Drumpf obsessing about……Steven Colbert.

    [A Totally Self-Aware Trump Lashes Out at Colbert, Deems Him “Filthy” and a “No-Talent”
    5/11/2017
    By Aisha HarrisBehold our great and noble leader, Donald J. Trump, speaking truth to the powers that be over at CBS:

    “You see a no-talent guy like Colbert. There’s nothing funny about what he says. And what he says is filthy. And you have kids watching. And it only builds up my base. It only helps me, people like him. The guy was dying. By the way they were going to take him off television, then he started attacking me and he started doing better. But his show was dying. I’ve done his show. … But when I did his show, which by the way was very highly rated. It was high—highest rating. The highest rating he’s ever had.”

    So, yeah, this is where we are. This is our president, these are the times we live in. Soak it all in, and continue to remind yourselves that none of this should be considered normal.]

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2017/05/11/donald_trump_calls_stephen_colbert_filthy_in_the_wake_of_the_host_s_homophobic.html

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Is there nothing trump hasn’t made better?

      • snigsy

        Maybe he can visit the dying and make their ratings the highest.

        • SnarkON

          He could line them up on Fifth Avenue and shoot them. Ratings gold!

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      “what he says is filthy.” There are no words to describe this shitgibbon’s complete and utter lack of any self awareness whatsoever.

    • Certified Green Bastard

      In a world that is now full of scarier people than himself, lil bully Donnie needs to pick a safe, easy target to unload on.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      But has he denied the holster thing?

  • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

    FBI agents are changing their FB profile pictures to Comey – usually what they do after a colleague dies https://t.co/Lbcbh1rCsx— Betsy Woodruff (@woodruffbets) May 11, 2017

  • Bill D. Burger

    Has McCabe been fired yet?

    [ Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe Thursday rejected assertions by the White House and President Trump that FBI employees had lost faith in James Comey and that the bureau’s probe into Russian election meddling was one of its most minor concerns.

    “I hold Director Comey in the absolute highest regard. I have the highest respect for his considerable abilities and his integrity,” McCabe told members of the Senate intelligence committee.
    He said Comey, who was fired by President Donald Trump on Tuesday, enjoyed “broad support within the FBI and still does to this day.” He added, “The majority, the vast majority of FBI employees enjoyed a deep, positive connection to Director Comey.”]

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/andrew-mccabe-hearing-senate-intelligence-committee/

    • Mr. Blobfish

      That’s two demerits.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    The degree does not make her honorably black, but her conduct is making her dishonorably historic.

    • Truck Fump

      And Historically Dishonorable.

      • SnarkON

        And Hysterically Deplorable.

  • Pre-Existing Condition Jack
  • Contemplative Ron

    It’s pretty simple, dealing with people like DeVos. You agree to meet with them, you listen to what they have to say, and you don’t believe a word of it.

    • major_asshole

      So it’s like promises from my mother, then.

  • whitroth

    Given how many turned their backs on her, maybe it should have been titled her Traditionally Back Commencement speech?

  • runfastandwin

    All I can say is W…T…F… This Jackson feller is a peabrain, which I guess qualifies him to be president of something or other in this day and age.

  • chicken thief

    “…and she [DeVos] agreed that we need to find a way to address all of this.”

    Ah, ha! Got it!!!! Tax cuts for the rich should do the trick!

    ~ DeVos, on the flight back

    • Jim Johnson

      Those schools, especially the blah ones, probably need more cold-blooded assassins and mercenaries patrolling their schools. Betsy knows one of the best (worst?).

  • I’m proud the students didn’t resort to flinging bricks and dog poo at her noggin.

    • Too bad ol’Betsy there couldn’t say the same about herself (at least verbally)

  • YoBunnyBunny

    So… When’s Trump gonna start giving commencement speeches??????

    (they’ll only be for the likes of Liberty U and Trump U)

    • Vicious Babushka

      Trump actually is scheduled to deliver the commencement speech at Liberty. It will be yooge & classy & incredible & he will talk about his great, incredible, tremendous friends, the Two Corinthians.

      • Once&futureFred

        “It’s one of the oldest stories, and I’ve enjoyed it many many times, the best..two Corinthians walk into a bar..”

    • Dudleydidwrong

      They may be given by Trump at Liberty U and Trump U but with Trump it’s all Fuck U.

      • phoenix00

        The No U President

  • Nephilim

    DeVos has made no secret of her animosity toward public education because prayer is not allowed, they actually teach real science, and avocation of equality for ALL students. She is a big supporter of Charter Schools which historically choose their students and thus do have a good academic record and fewer discipline problems. But they also historically have less poor students (which are mainly minorities) and don’t have programs for special needs students.

    • major_asshole

      As an example (yes, anecdotes are not data), my Catholic elementary school had good academics and a small class size (roughly 20 students per class). Unfortunately, their (and the diocese’s) special education programs were…a bit ridiculous.

      I have a few physical impairments and so could not do normal phys ed, so instead once a week for about an hour I was pulled out to play card games with the facilitator who traveled across the diocese (three parishes…uh, counties, because Louisiana). No physical activity, just Uno and sometimes poker when I was in fifth and sixth grade.

      At least the public schools had a dedicated person at each school to take care of special needs students.

      ETA: I know of no Christian schools down here with programs for mentally handicapped students. Which is apparently what DeVos would like.

  • SnarkON

    If these newly minted college graduates learned nothing else in four years but to turn their backs on a cold-blooded billionaire hypocrite, then I would say they have received an excellent education.

    • mardam422

      Did you know they wanted to go there, with other blacks, and not where white people didn’t want them? It’s true. So brave.

      • this country says it’s about

        So you know the motivations of all black people, do you?

        • SnarkON

          I didn’t say anything about them being black. What I said was that they are students graduating college with what looks to be a finely tuned bullshit radar, which is exactly what all students should get out of college.

          • this country says it’s about

            Sorry. I misinterpreted your comment to mean you thought they were using a predominately black college to hide out from the real world. I’m all for “a finely tuned bullshit radar.”

        • mardam422

          OMG you people are so dense. Betsy DeVos anyone?????

          • this country says it’s about

            Apparently you didn’t read beyond my comment to which you replied.
            SnarkON rephrased the comment and I replied,
            “Sorry. I misinterpreted your comment to mean you thought they were using a predominately black college to hide out from the real world. I’m all for “a finely tuned bullshit radar.” ‘
            I may have my faults, but I am able to do something Trump and his administration is incapable of doing – admit I made a mistake.

      • Did you know HBCUs are integrated? So stupid.

        • mardam422

          Do you watch the news? Betsy DeVos ring a bell. So stupid.

  • Vicious Babushka

    A commencement address is not “dialogue” it is a monologue delivered to a captive audience. The students booing and turning their backs is what made it a “dialogue.”

  • market apartments

    “We told her about some of the issues we
    are facing, about students who are single parents or come from
    single-parent families, even students who are homeless, and she agreed
    that we need to find a way to address all of this.” -quoth the Quisling

    Yeah, but saying “You bet those are issues, and you better find a way to address all of this” means exactly nothing. Which is how much she values your sycophancy, or at least she would if she could spell it.

  • Keith Taylor

    I’m really sorry. I tried to read your article and focus and take it in, but I couldn’t get past thinking numbly again and again, “DeVos? Betsy DeVos? Honorary degree? Bethune-Cookman?”

  • Mister Smith

    These racist Trumpscum bigots really are tone deaf.

  • Heather

    She has a listening ear. It goes nicely with her smelling nose. And her seeing eyes. And her tasting tongue. WTF.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      But her feet smell and her nose runs; DeVos is built upside down.

      • Old Man Yells at Cloud

        Thank you. That was so silly it made me laugh.

  • Jamoche

    “DeVos certainly tried to say all the right things about civility and respectful dialogue”

    Nah, I’d rather listen to Mr Nancy.
    http://io9.gizmodo.com/this-unbelievable-mr-nancy-scene-is-why-everyone-needs-1794840915

  • My sorority sisters (Delta Sigma Theta) protesting in a way the would make our Founders and soror Bethune-Cookman proud. These young ladies do not have the time for a dumpster fire like Betsy DeVoss.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eaee1387f7ca76239ee69900a9a87ebe6e75bef6be8a4d24a2401bbbf6a9f845.jpg

  • Shawn Renee Ernoehazy

    I have not yet read all the comments, but I am appalled she was awarded a ceremonial Doctorate and was allowed to wear the regalia. It might seem a petty thing, but I really want to go back to school and EARN the right to wear that costume. Being “hooded” by my professors at my master’s graduation meant I had made an achievement worthy of that honor. DeVoss just had to show up and give a speech to an audience more educated than she is. If I could pay off my student loans (had a first interview with a better paying employer today), I would start on my PsyD, and get it the old fashioned way, by working my brain!

    • major_asshole

      This. All of this.

      Getting my hood was one of the proudest moments of my life because it represented a cumulative six years of busting my ass (and bullshitting…er, writing…so many papers). What did Betsy DeVos do?

      She gave Cheetolini a few million. (Also, she has a BA. Which means…she has a BA. Why couldn’t Trumpy have at least named someone with a PhD to the position?)

  • pixeloid

    “admonished the students that if they didn’t sit down and behave right now their diplomas would be mailed to them and they wouldn’t walk across the stage to receive them”

    Is that supposed to be a punishment? I got mine in the mail. A lot better than wasting the day doing cap & gown cosplay at a dull graduation ceremony. No employer has ever said to me, “I see you have a degree in mathematics, but we really need to see some graduation pictures.”

    • major_asshole

      I sat through three graduation ceremonies (high school, BA, and MA). High school was boring as shit because I was 18 and stuff, but I got my picture in the paper. I spent the undergrad graduation texting and being an ass with a couple friends in the audience, but doing the cap and gown thing was expected. Getting my MA, though?

      Two years of hard work and busting my ass, and I went all out. Bow tie and waistcoat under the gown, bright-ass red socks (university color), and a bottle of Scotch afterward with the family.

      Honestly, though, I’d have been just as happy to skip all the pomp and circumstance.

      • pixeloid

        There was a ceremony in HS, but not in college or grad school. I can’t remember if it was because it was because of my odd schedule (started in spring instead of fall), or if I just decided to skip it. Either way, I didn’t miss it.

  • Zyxomma

    Betsy DeVos can sit down with her Blackwater Brother and share with him a family sized bag of salted rat dicks. With nothing to drink.

  • major_asshole

    I love (sarcasm!) DeVos’ statement about “hallmarks” and “respect,” but…

    You look at the conservative media covering this, and every talking head is spewing the same shit. It’s “those little punks” this and “entitled snowflakes” that. I get that it isn’t (necessarily–hopefully) racist, but Jesus Tap-dancing Christ, these are the same people who cheered on cops who turned their backs on DeBlasio in New York for fuck’s sake.

    My good, it’s almost as if they’re ok with protests they agree with, but if you protest something they like, you’re a goddamn Antichrist.

    It can’t be that they’re this hypocritical –and it?

    (Ok, I’m fucking around. Of COURSE they’re this hypocritical.)

    • major_asshole

      I was more or less forced to watch Sean Hannity tonight, and the hypocrisy is mind-blowing. He bitched and whined that Democrats should be happy that Comey was YOU’RE FIRED! because, after all, they hated him last year.

      What he failed to mention is tat Republicans LOVED him–when Clinton was under investigation. As soon as some Republicans get put under the spotlight, though, he’s grossly incompetent and the FBI is in tatters.

  • lroom

    At my daughter’s graduation from high school and from college her real diploma was usually mailed to her. The thing they give them on stage was just for show.

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