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  • dslindc

    Has the Japanese delegation tried checking Twitter?

    • Foreign Agitator Ron

      They tried, but they only speak English, not whatever-it-is Cheeto Benito uses.

    • beingreleased

      I bet they forgot to respond to the Doodle poll.

      • alpacapunchbowl

        Ugh, I hate Doodle SO MUCH

  • Foreign Agitator Ron
    • Lizzietish81

      Ok, we didn’t piss off the Japanese, they were trying to scare us into not getting involved. Which is funnier.

      Second, Japan has no standing army. they have a security force for when Godzilla attacks, but no army.

      • onedollarjuana

        The weak link in their system is that Raymond Burr is dead.

      • Foreign Agitator Ron

        I’m still waiting for the US to buy and deploy those tracked maser cannon carriers.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    I fully support Trump loading up appointments with republican governors. Maybe we can pick off a few statehouses in the resulting elections. Can we start with Illinois?

    • PubOption

      Rauner is an awful person, but I don’t think that he sufficiently corrupt for a position in the Trump administration.

      • Historicat

        Illinois governor insufficiently corrupt? This really is the strangest timeline.

        • alpacapunchbowl

          As far as we know thus far he’s not corrupt, but he is a piece of shit. In the spirit of Pence’s Planned Parenthood donations, Rauner will be making a donation to a mental health services organization that I have yet to choose, to commemorate his gutting of the budget for low-income-accessible health services, which led to thousands of clinics closing statewide (making Planned Parenthood all the more essential). I am going to choose a mental health org because mental health ripples out to literally every issue there is, and it also hits close to home.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    New parlor game: the most inappropriate Republicans for top appointments. Trump has already won with the Bannon appt, but I’m sure the Wonkers can make some great suggestions.

    • ThirdAmendmentMan

      Christie for Secretary of Transportation

      • Foreign Agitator Ron

        That’s a given.

    • mackafritz

      Ted Nugent, Sec of Interior

      • ThirdAmendmentMan

        Ted Nugent, Secretary of Shitting Your Pants to Get Out of the Draft

        • Mayor_Mayor_Mayor

          That alone makes him the most qualified to be Secretary of Defense.

        • schmannity

          No federal Sanitation Department. Drats!

      • Edita Espinosa (Edith Prickly)

        You win.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      The only ones not yet mentioned are Michele Bachmann and that Duck Dynasty guy.

      • Nounverb911

        Didn’t someone post last night that Duck Dynasty was going off the air?

        • Shanana Republic

          It’s moving to the White House.

          • Paul

            Their “camo” wallpaper will need more gold flocking now.

    • Mayor_Mayor_Mayor

      Rand Paul, Surgeon General

      • onedollarjuana

        “Board Certified”!

    • onedollarjuana

      Ammon Bundy, head of Dept. of Agriculture.

      Martin Shkreli for head of FDA.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      Louis Gohmert for… anything.

    • schmannity

      Sarah Palin, Poet Laureate.

      • arglebargle

        A laureate is like a lasso, right?

        • schmannity

          A Ford pick up, I think.

    • Longstreet63

      What are Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Cheney doing these days?
      And can we consider W for that open seat on SCOTUS?

      • Paul

        I know what they SHOULD be doing. Hard time at Leavenworth.

    • folderol

      Pat Robertson, Office of Science and Technology Policy

      • Paul

        Easy for Pat. There is no such thing as science and the only technology necessary is Twitter. Piece of cake!

  • dslindc

    *looks up Nikki Haley’s experience*

    Nope, no foreign policy here!

    *bangs head on desk*

    • Mayor_Mayor_Mayor

      But she’s part-foriegn, so the experience is genetically coded in her DNA, amirite?

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        That’s right – as a brown, she will be able to talk to those outsiders in their native language, right?

    • Longstreet63

      She’s female. Secretaries of State are female, aren’t they?
      Otherwise, they’d be looking at Bobby Jindal.

      • Pissed de Résistance

        I think he may be as well.

    • AnOuthouse

      She’s better than any of the other names they’ve been floating.

  • Foreign Agitator Ron

    In related news, Japan has appointed a new ambassador to the US: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1784555/images/o-GODZILLA-facebook.jpg

    • Kiri the Resistant Unicorn

      Wise of them. He has extensive foreign-policy experience and is well known for his position on nuclear proliferation.

  • Edita Espinosa (Edith Prickly)

    Oh mercy. The Trump presidency is going to be less Triumph of the Will and more Duck Soup.

    • Foreign Agitator Ron

      He only wishes he had the gravitas, sober demeanour and policy-making skills of Rufus T. Firefly.

    • Longstreet63

      Whatever it is, I’m against it!
      Unless it’s “tax cuts for the rich”. That pretty much covers Republican policy in recent history.

      • MamaBrown

        well, to be fair, there’s also taking away people’s health care!

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    Yep, another Rhyme Land day!

    https://youtu.be/Hvh56wPstKo

  • Nounverb911

    The Australian PM announced that the only way he could in touch with trump was by getting the phone number from golfer Greg Norman.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f40f97064fee2e8798ad634e93dcf181d6439f68f55eeea6648a8703768cc89.jpg

  • Nounverb911

    The Hill is reporting that Governor smart glasses is in line for Secretary of OOPS.

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/799110069501775872

    • mackafritz

      Yeah, put this dimwit in charge of the nukes.

    • Duke

      One might think it’s a joke but, at this point, nothing makes sense.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Rick Scott is coming to town. HHS?

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      Well, naturally, he should be considered. After all, who better to administer Medicare than the man responsible for the largest Medicare fraud in US history?

  • Duke

    I was hearing on the radio (NPR, of course) that they need to find 4000 people to staff the executive branch by Jan 20th.

    I’m sending a resume. Anyone know the email for Trump’s SIL?

    • mackafritz

      I thought they were for small government? They can do the job without that many.

      • Jennifer R

        They probably actually think that.

      • Duke

        Gotta have people to mange the pork and publicize what they’re doing for people with all the money they’re going to borrow.

    • Pissed de Résistance

      Keeper of the Presidential Cocaine might be a cool job. Finder of Presidential Bimbos, another!

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      No wonder the transition team is confused. Usually when he buys a house the staff comes with it.

    • Kiri the Resistant Unicorn

      I should send mine. Trump’s gonna want a shitload of fancy gilt-framed pictures of himself all over the WH.

  • Nounverb911
    • The Wanderer

      Ser Janos Slynt?

    • Kiri the Resistant Unicorn

      Let’s not bicker and argue about who killed who…

  • AnOuthouse

    “China’s meddling in the affairs of Hong Kong”
    I never saw that coming.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      IKR? Imagine my shock. My surprise. My astonishment.

      Yawn.

      • Pissed de Résistance

        Just wait until they remember that Formosa thingie…

        • Jennifer R

          I expect there to be revenge for Nan-jing as well.

          • SuspectedDemocrat

            If Trump get something out of it, maybe they can make a deal.

          • Jennifer R

            What’s the over under on Japan finally kicking us out of Okinawa, and rebuilding a proper standing army?

          • Historicat

            Given the demographic trends in Japan, they might find themselves in trouble.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      They were free to run their own affairs as long as they didn’t do anything China didn’t want them to do. And then some troublemaker had to go and ruin it by acting independently!

  • FauxAntocles

    So where’s the best place to go for Resistance information?

  • Mary Sandoras

    In case of a national emergency, call Trumps golf buddy.

  • Nounverb911

    Sean Hannity has a present for Dumpf.

    https://twitter.com/NYMag/status/799024922651717632

    • Longstreet63

      Classy. How much will the Foundation pay to have Washington replaced with Trump?

      • Nounverb911

        Well the good news there is Jon McNaughton is dead.

        • sgt. jmk of the résistance

          Is he?

        • Kiri the Resistant Unicorn

          McNaughton is still here. You might be thinking of Kinkade, that other hack.

    • Vincent Ricola

      They are like caricatures of the worst 7th grade asshole bullies from every 80s coming of age movie. I wish permanent athletes foot on all of them.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      The man hands you probably tens of millions of dollars in tax breaks out of the hides of working people and you commemorated it / trolled the wank with a $140 painting? kkklassy.

    • Pissed de Résistance

      Is that our last Republican president there in the second row picking his nose?

    • Pissed de Résistance

      You can get a copy of this in Tijuana, on PURE SILK!

  • Carpe Vagenda

    I’ve been waiting for the doxxing to start. I have to say, I thought it would come from the other side. Maybe they figure the slow motion bigot riot is enough to scare their electors.

  • AnOuthouse

    Detroit TV anchor resigns due to economic anxiety.
    FTFY.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    I’m told that this is what US Americans want.

    • Pissed de Résistance

      100% of Americans, minus the Democrats and other parties.

      • SuspectedDemocrat

        In other words, the Heartland[tm]

        • Jennifer R

          The red blood of America is starting to clot.

      • blondeiq

        But plus the apathetic morans who didn’t give enough of a fuck to vote for anyone.

    • Painter of Goats

      Because this is how they would do it. While handing their beer to someone to hold.

      • Kiri the Resistant Unicorn
        • Marion in Savannah

          That never gets old.

        • Tacoclamgenda

          I’ve never seen that before but have now watched 5 times and laughed hard enough each time to startle the cat.

        • Paul

          Hey you!!!1!!1! Out of the gene pool!

  • Ryan Denniston

    “The “planning” has been so fraught with chaos and stupidity that Japanese officials do not know where to meet Trump, who else is coming, or who to even call for information.

    Obviously, he should head to the Phallus of 5th Avenue!

  • Pissed de Résistance

    “Ya’ll are just love this idea! Donald Trump has a mind to make South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley Secretary of State.”

    Does Trump not know of any other cabinet positions? He’s promising everybody and their hound dog SecState. Or maybe he’s going to abolish all the rest?

    • beingreleased

      I would be surprised if they don’t forget to name the head of at least one department.

      • mackafritz

        Commerce is a department?

        • Pissed de Résistance

          Who knew?

    • mackafritz

      He’s also floating everyone and their uncle for the position.

    • AnOuthouse

      He found out she can type 60 words per minute.

      • blondeiq

        His standards have dropped. 60 wpm and only a 6? Have all the pageant contestants and sex workers turned him down already?

        • Jennifer R

          Hey now sex workers have standards.

    • Painter of Goats

      “And you get to be Secretary of State, and you get to be Secretary of State and you get to be…”

      • blondeiq

        We’re allllllllll lucky!

    • NastyBossetti

      What? There are 50 states, so obviously he needs 50 secretaries of state!

      • arglebargle

        Administrative Assistants of State.

      • SuspectedDemocrat

        I believe the correct plural term is “secretaries of stateses”

    • Blender_415

      Yep, it’s like Rick Perry Syndrome, but worse. So, so much worse…

  • The “planning” has been so fraught with chaos and stupidity that Japanese officials do not know where to meet Trump, who else is coming, or who to even call for information.

    We are so fucked…

    5 to 1, at some point in the next four years, Trump accidentally nukes a country other than the one he intended to nuke.

    • beingreleased

      Iran/Iraq? One letter. It’s so confusing.

      • “Tomato, to-mah-to, folks, am I right?”

        • John Smith

          “They’re both full of brown people!”

        • Tacoclamgenda

          Goldberg, iceberg…

    • Pissed de Résistance

      Goddamnit General, I meant Syria, not Suriname!

      • QHarp, Mujer malévola

        Like he knows what a Suriname is.

        • Marion in Savannah

          Isn’t that his last name? I think he knows that — he sticks it on everything in gold letters 20 feet high…

    • Ryan Denniston

      He’ll probably fuck that up and nuke Charleston, SC or Baltimore.

      • Truck Fump

        Paris TX

    • blondeiq

      North Korea, South Korea, Japan…who keeps track?

    • Jennifer R

      Out atomic weapons corp is notoriously full of fuck ups, they could probably get away with refusing to fire and saying they couldn’t because no one knows how.

      • idiokratischtrumpenjugend

        “What do you mean, you lost your keys!”

        • Foreign Agitator Ron

          ‘Did you check in your other uniform?’

          • idiokratischtrumpenjugend

            “I could have sworn I had them with me when I left the house this morning.”

    • Jennifer R

      He is going to start a war and/or go pillaging.

  • Ryan Denniston

    “Yr Wonkette hates doxxing almost as much as it hates Trump.”

    That’s not exactly a ringing condemnation of doxxing given that it’s being done to prevent Trump from ascending to the Chancellorship.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      Aw you think doxing will help anything. How cute!

    • eka

      i’m sure doxxing just makes people so happy and likely to do what you ask them to.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Yeah, intimidating electors to vote how we want them to instead of how they should is not an innovation I want to keep.

      Seriously, why didn’t they spend all this time and energy getting Hillary elected?

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Because the important thing isn’t to do things to help vulnerable people. The important thing is to be seen feeling as if you’ve done things to help vulnerable people.

      • Rise Up, Demme!

        maybe they did.

    • Apple Scruff

      Yeah, I think it’s being done so people can contact them and beg them to flip their vote. No hate/ intimidation going on here (I hope).

      I also figured the info was public and it was just being gathered?

      • pstockholm

        It would be strange if electors’ identity and official contact information were not matters of public record. They are politicians mostly, and political appointees, in all cases. I think it’s appropriate they are contacted officially. Obviously doxxing of private contact information, threatening contacts etc. should be condemned and policed by organizations promoting the EC campaign.

  • Pissed de Résistance

    Traffic was fucked up in Rheinland Pfalz while the president was having Air Force One fueled up at Ramstein.

    Thanks Obama.

    • Vagenda and Tiara

      Does his villainy know no bounds?

  • Truck Fump

    My hungry kitty left me a dead rabbit for dinner yesterday. It was so very nice of her… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cf09c6ab998580475691a489ee475d36c7f65c6f4b2b0c630bf294ea6f4f7baa.jpg

    • Marion in Savannah

      She’s trying to train you to kill for her.

      • blondeiq

        Can we reprogram Kitteh so that the sound of “can opener” elicits the same response as “how tf long is it going to take this idiot human to figure out how to kill stuff?”

        • Marion in Savannah

          Kittehs are as hard to reprogram as they are to herd. Trust me — I’ve tried both. (We’re now down to 6 cats…)

      • Vagenda and Tiara

        Maybe it’s a warning…”you’re next if you don’t start buying me that cat food that I like.”

    • Shanana Republic

      She’s trying to fatten you up.

    • Tacoclamgenda

      Fricassee or fried?

    • Foreign Agitator Ron

      If the economy DOES collapse you’re gonna be grateful for those dead rabbits.

  • Cousin Itt de la résistance

    THE Megyn story is: At the height of President-elect Donald Trump’s feud with Fox News host Megyn Kelly, a Fox executive went to extreme lengths to convince the campaign that her life was at risk…“And he didn’t much care,” Kelly continued. “And what Bill Shine said to Michael Cohen was, ‘Let me put it to you in terms you can understand: If Megyn Kelly gets killed it is not going help your candidate.’

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/megyn-kelly-fox-had-to-tell-trump-campaign-stop-death-threats

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    Loganberry Licks: Minor league ball club or that candy your grandma always has sitting in a bowl without a wrapper? Discuss.

    • Kiri the Resistant Unicorn

      Yaoi manga character.

    • MamaBrown

      little known oral sex technique?

      sorry. I’ll see myself out….

      • Tacoclamgenda

        I though it was very well know…

      • President in Exile Firefly

        Stay for a bit–I could stand to hear more.

      • bupkus23

        From Sweden? No, I guess that’s lingonberry licks…

    • Ben & Jerry’s flavor?

    • Nasty Candy Apple

      It always gets fused into one giant, stale-tasting lump. :(

    • Foreign Agitator Ron

      Scotch mints libelz!

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Miss South Carolina for Secretary of Education

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      Maps for US Americans, such as!

  • Blender_415

    I love that lede snap; it’s AM yelling, “WTF IS WRONG WITH AMERICA!” and Obama is just… “preaching to the choir, sister.”

  • SmokinGood

    Saw today that Twitter banned a couple of the alt-racist leaders.

    So: Wonkette Office Pool – How many days into the Trump Administration before @POTUS is banned?

    • eka

      depends on how long they refuse to allow him access to a phone.

      • Jennifer R

        He has to learn how to use the special phone the NSA gives him. It won’t have any social media apps obviously.

        • Foreign Agitator Ron

          ‘Hey, NSA guy, how come I can’t call Vlad on this thing?’

          • Jennifer R

            Naw they would just be recording it.

  • eka

    remember when merkel was considered far too conservative and anti-turk (the ones inside germany, not those in turkey) and everyone wanted her gone? what happened to that world?

  • Lance Thrustwell

    At the same time I think Keith Olbermann and other like him are right about not ‘going along with’ or ‘giving the benefit of the doubt to’ Trump’s administration, I have this One Weird Thought:

    if people “resist” so effectively that they tamp down the craziest edges of Trump’s presidency, might not that make the possibility of a second term – and continued GOP domination of the House and Senate – more likely rather than less? If Trump is given free rein to create an administrative horrorshow, doesn’t that create greater opportunities for electoral reversals in 2018 and 2020?

    Just a thought. Not sure about it.

    • Shanana Republic

      How much of a horror show and for how long does it have to go on before someone gets him the hell out? And who’s doing to do it? I mean, can we really wait until 2018?

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Well, excepting the possibility of an impeachment before the 2018 elections, ain’t nobody goin’ nowhere til then anyhow. And if in the meantime, Dems high and low succeed in getting Trump and co. to moderate their policies… we could end up helping the GOP by fighting them!

        I dunno. I’m probably just feeling pessimistic and lazy at the same time. Been known to do that. Anyway, good morning, Shan. Good t’see ya.

        • Shanana Republic

          Good morning!

    • Vagenda and Tiara

      I’ve had similar thoughts, but remember when GWB won a second term after he’d been a major fuck up? I suspect we’re going to have 8 years of graft, corruption, and incompetence.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      That sounds a little too much like a case for heightening the contradictions for me to be completely comfortable. There are too many people pissing on the grave of our hopes to try and deflect their piece of this horror for me already, and not vocally protesting seems like conceding to that.

    • eyelashviper

      Sadly, the people who voted for Trump are incapable of seeing any kind of consequences, even when the roof falls on their heads. Even in the midst of nuclear holocaust they would stumble to the polls to re-elect him.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Ms Sarandon, we’ve told you you’re not welcome here.

    • Resistance Engineer Red Bird

      Nah. We’re resisting because if we don’t his policies will be worse than we imagine. There’s too much at stake for minorities to play nice.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Maybe four years of government paralysis will be the best we can hope for.

    • Vincent Ricola

      Maybe four years of government paralysis will be the best we can hope for.

      FTFY.

      • Nasty Candy Apple

        Maybe four eight years of government paralysis

        I’m a pessimist.

    • Vagenda and Tiara

      That’s my prayer, but I suspect all Republicans will unite over the urgent need to cut taxes on the uber wealthy. Health care? Social Security? Those can just atrophy while we wait for a fix some time in the future (and by that I mean “never”).

      • Lance Thrustwell

        You mean Job Creators, citizen. Papers, please.

        • Vagenda and Tiara

          I didn’t mean to say “estate taxes” Mr. Luntz! I swear I meant to say “death taxes.”

      • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

        I’m hoping the Democrats scream and point at Trump and the Republicans “They’re stealing your Medicare and Social Security” loud and long enough to make the dullard voters scared enough to vote these arseholes out of office.

        • Foreign Agitator Ron

          Do you think Alex Jones is for sale? They seem to listen to him.

        • Vagenda and Tiara

          Unfortunately, we won’t. I’m not sure why we’re our leaders are so spineless (not badass Harry Reid!), plus our followers tend to be intelligent and don’t just blindly fall in line behind their leaders, like the Republicans.

  • Jennifer R

    You know, maybe the original way where vice-president was the person with the second most votes is the way to do it after all.

    • beingreleased

      Who doesn’t long for the days of VP Walnuts?

      • Jennifer R

        Could have kept him in the same cage where they kept Dole.

        • Foreign Agitator Ron

          I hope not. Pineapple and walnuts really don’t go together.

  • Vagenda and Tiara

    I’m kind of amused by Nikki Haley being Secretary of State, not because she doesn’t have any experience in international affairs, but because she’s probably ready to bail on South Carolina. She was elected by the Tea Party, but she’s been trying to raise taxes to pay for our horrific roads, our debt that Mark Sanford ran up (through the magic of tax cuts), and the $20 billion dollar shortfall in the pension system (outsourced the management to hedge funds charging $500 million a year in fees). I voted to increase sales tax by half a penny to pay for the roads, but then regretted it, because the Tea Party should live by its ideals. You want to pay for roads? CUT TAXES ON THE WEALTHY! That always works!

  • Cousin Itt de la résistance
  • Tacoclamgenda

    “… and not by an inept egomaniac waiting to grab whole handfuls of power.”

    Is that really the description you were going for?

  • PubOption

    I see that one of the Medal of Freedom recipients is named Newt Minow. Were his parents obsessed with pond life?

    • Sister Suffragette

      I know two things about Newt Minow. (1) He was chairman of the FCC back in the ’60s and is famous for calling television a “vast wasteland,” and (2) relatedly, the S.S. Minnow on Gilligan’s Island was supposedly named for him.

    • The Wanderer

      Think of it. Heralding the emergence of The Beast from the Vast Wasteland was recognition of the man who called it that lo, these many years ago.

  • Crystalclear12

    Dear EC
    Your vote is your vote. The EC was given the freedom to vote their conscience by the Constitution for a reason. Normally this isn’t an issue but this isn’t a normal election. Pretending it is will cost this nation more than can be calculated.

    I have many arguments in favor of Trump but, oddly, none of them argue he would be good at the job. Mostly I hear things like: God will use him for His purpose. Really, Donald Trump is God’s representative here on Earth? He is no Paul on the Damascus road. Another is that the Senate and House will guide him. Because he was so easy to guide during the election? My personal favorite is: He just said “those” things to get elected from the same people who said the voted for him because he “tells it like it is”. Well, so far from his cabinet appointments it looks like he meant ” those” things.

    If you vote for him everything he does from that point forward is on you. His deeds written in your book of life. Do you really want to defend him in this life and the next?

    From the Silenced Majority.

    Please share this.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      I understand the intention behind this, but this wasn’t, isn’t, and is never going to be a productive way to keep Trump out of office.

      • Crystalclear12

        True, but we have try.

        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          No, we don’t. This is a bad idea because its consequences will probably be worse than the thing it solves.

          We’d be yanking our established system of electing presidents and putting in the hands of 538 unelected randos, who can then be bribed/intimidated accordingly. The Repubs are way richer and way crazier than us; how do you think that would go?

          That, and how psychotically violent do you think the Trumpites would get when we steal the election(and that’s what it would be. There’s no way around it)? Would we stand for it, in their place?

          We lost. Enough. It’s time for damage control, not fantasy.

          • pstockholm

            Don’t agree.
            If it’s futile (which agreed it is) then there are no consequences. It will be forgotten.
            It’s an important part of the refusal to normalize this particular election. Don’t think it came up 2000, and would not if a non-Trump R had won. So no consequences to D reputation.
            It’s important symbolically to support the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact and eventually an amendment to end the EC.
            If it succeeds, then it is certainly constitutional, and no more undemocratic than the EC to start with.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            We’d be establishing a precedent, no matter how many times we say that it totally isn’t a precedent. We’d be upending the tradition of popular vote going back to Andrew Jackson. The right wing would accuse us, rightly, of attempting a coup because we didn’t like the election results. They would never forgive, and never forget. If it’s futile, then we’re wasting our time and energy when we could be doing something more productive.

            And it succeeds you’ll have a civil war on your hands. Full stop.

          • pstockholm

            The fact that the EC overrides the popular vote is precisely the problem. The tradition is the rules of the EC, not the sanctity of the popular vote.
            If it showed any signs of succeeding (virtually impossible), there would surely be a deal made to install Pence. Clinton or a Democrat will not be President.
            Trump’s scalp in these times of proto-fascism is important enough to try the unconventional. The symbolic value of “no normalization” outweighs all other concerns.
            Respecting the popular vote and exercising the explicit constitutional justification for the EC is hardly a coup.
            You know in a reversed situation the right would be doing this.
            You cannot reason with authoritarianism. The right is far past forgiving or forgetting, they are gearing up for fascism. What the right thinks, either the familiar one or the new unleashed fascist one, cannot be our concern.
            The Trumpists do not have the means to start a civil war. I think it would be a mistake to constrain Democratic strategy in these times by fear of 20% of the electorate. You cannot reason with an abuser. “Rule #3 Institutions will not save you.” Gessen NYR.
            I don’t think the energy expended on this until December takes any appreciable amount from other initiatives. Rather it reinforces them.
            I understand we don’t agree.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            I still think this would harm far more than it helps. Let’s not split hairs: the rationale, as I understand it, is that we’re subverting our democracy in order to preempt the other side from doing the same. This is the exact same reasoning the South had when they seceded, and their arguments convinced no one but themselves. And not only did they bring war and death on themselves, they also brought about the abolition they so feared and that Lincoln had no intention of forcing when he got into office.

            We would be taking a similarly “constitutional” stand when we would have been perfectly satisfied with the result had it gone the other way. It would be viewed as the self-serving fiction it is, not only by the Trumpites but also the mass of the American people. Hell, *I* wouldn’t help you. And it would empower a vengeful right wing for a generation.

            I also notice no one addresses my point about what would happen in future elections. Would a national vote even be worth it anymore, if the electors votes are really the ones that matter? It would mean that, ultimately, all the electoral power in the nation devolves to 538 randos, who I suppose become our new ruling oligarchy. It would also mean that we might not know who our president is a full three months after the election, and might end up being a person who never even ran or had a vote cast for them.

          • pstockholm

            I don’t follow your reasoning regarding the comparison to secession of the South.
            I think we can safely say the vengeful right wing is already empowered.
            The longer range goal is to get rid of the EC. I don’t see any concrete scenario where electors become an oligarchy.
            The immediate goal is to emphasize as strongly as possible that Trump is highly unsuitable personally (extremist statements, campaign coordination with a foreign power, stated intentions to subvert democratic norms), and his program and likely administration are a major departure from the letter and spirit of American democracy.
            Even if it’s futile it supports the rallying cry of “no mandate” which must be where the battle lines against Ryan and friends are drawn.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            The analogy is that Trump hasn’t done any unconstitutional or illegal things as president yet; we’re essentially jumping the gun and assuming he will. He very well might, and we can deal with it then, but acting too soon will discredit us even before he gets going.

            And I don’t mean “all three branches” empowered. I mean post-Civil War Republicans empowered. I mean constitutional amendment empowered.

            Why not as to the electors? We’re asking them to essentially make presidents as they see fit. Why wouldn’t they abuse that power? Because we don’t think they will?

            Want to get rid of the EC? No argument here, go right ahead. And the world has ample notice of our opposition to Trump. Trump’s lack of a mandate persists through the simple fact of his losing the popular vote. Monkeying with the EC for symbolism’s sake is unnecessarily playing with fire.

          • pstockholm

            The argument is about the election and his suitability, not his actions as president. I think the arguments for his unsuitability are overwhelming. If an actual Manchurian candidate won the EC and and that news came out in September, what would your position on the EC voting its conscience be? How far is Trump from that? If a candidate was revealed to be conspiring to end press freedom, subvert the Constitution, jail his opponent, what would you position be? How far is Trump from that?
            Maybe you are right that it should not be done, or attempted at all, considering that it attempts to overturn the results of the popular vote in the State in which an elector would switch sides. Or maybe the efforts should be directed at the state legislature, which ultimately decides the rules for its electors, rather than at the electors themselves. Although I don’t think they can change the State elector slate or rules at this point.
            An argument for your position that you don’t mention is that there is no constitutional support for the idea of the EC serving as a instrument for electors to vote their conscience, to prevent tyranny, for example. I don’t see that it’s mentioned. The assumption was instead that the tyrant would win the popular vote, and the EC by its normal process of selection by States would override the popular tyrant. Ironically, many Trumpists would probably agree it is working as intended to stop that tyrant Hillary.
            So I’m more sympathetic to your position than I was but still think the dire situation and symbolism of “no normalization” and “no mandate” need to be considered. Although I’m leaning your way.

          • Resistance Engineer Red Bird

            So you’re afraid of the Trump supporters essentially.

          • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

            I’m afraid of the law of unintended consequences. And the consequence of this would be a civil war caused by our breaking of a generations-old civil compact. It’s a bad idea. We fucked this up, we have to suffer the consequences, like the adults we’re supposed to be.

          • Resistance Engineer Red Bird

            Good point. But unfortunately the civil compact was broken when a presidential candidate incited violence against the country’s ethnic and racial minorities. Maybe the real unintended consequence of Trump’s campaign was that his followers have actually acted on his threats. And something tells me that it is only going to get worse for blacks, hispanics and muslims. They were pretty much identified as the scape goats in his campaign. I wish I had the luxury of being calm but a target was placed on my back when Trump won and I’ve done nothing to deserve it except being the wrong race. I have no good will left to give him.

          • Resistance Engineer Red Bird

            Also, I hope he fails, bigly.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      The scary thing is he actually said that he said all those things just to get elected. He doesn’t give a flying monkey what he says, as long as someone praises him for it. But now the Deplorapublicans have picked those words up, recalibrated them to make it seem like they were about all their awful ideas, and will distract this guy with big rallies so fast he won’t know what hit him.

      • At the crossroads, stay strong

        Except when he says he didn’t say the things he said. When speaking to people with Twitter attention spans, this works quite well.

      • Resistance Engineer Red Bird

        And that is what is called hiding your intentions in plain sight. Always believe what someone tells you the first time they say it and always look at their actions to prove it. If you do both, you’ll see that Trump is a solid gold racist. Nothing else.

    • Resistance Engineer Red Bird

      Co-signed.

    • Bemused

      Sorry, I’m a traditionalist on this one. The electoral college reps should do the job they were intended to do, otherwise the system will not work. Yes, I hate the thought of Trump as President, but he was elected and until he does something that will get him impeached he will be president. We can survive a bad president, we cannot survive undermining our own system.

  • Tacoclamgenda

    C’m on, did no one else start singing “The hills are alive…”?

  • Apple Scruff

    I would like to see Haley as SoS if only because it’ll be a big middle finger to Gouliani. I’d love it if he came out of this with nothing, like Christie.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    The hills are alive, and it’s pretty frightening.

  • President in Exile Firefly

    “See! Obama is the real Nazi! He’s publishing op-eds in German!” scream wingnuts in 3… 2… 1…

  • Paperless Tiger

    I hope Nikki Haley doesn’t assume the position and broaden her horizons again.

  • At the crossroads, stay strong

    This from another article on how Merkel and Obama forged the bond they did.

    These are tough times for Europe, which is struggling with terrorism,
    an anemic economy and an unprecedented migrant crisis. They are also
    tough times for the longtime German chancellor, who faces unprecedented
    pressure, due in part to her strong advocacy for migrants pouring into
    Europe at levels not seen since World War II.
    “Perhaps because she once lived behind a wall herself, Angela understands the aspirations of those who’ve been denied their freedom and who seek a better life,”
    Obama said of Merkel, who grew up in the formerly communist east.

    She’s a combination of toughness and compassion. We almost had one like that.
    Bestes Glück, Kanzlerin Merkel.

  • Mavenmaven

    Trump is simply going to take all foreign heads of state to the Famous Famiglia pizza branch in Times Square.

  • DahBoner
    • Dg Hacket

      Im sure she had to lie under an oaf at least a few times!!! Amirite?!

      • Foreign Agitator Ron

        ‘Oh, Donald, honey, you’re so huge!’
        Yup.

  • Bill Slider

    What is it about all of this fake news
    that Google, Facebook and Twitter decided to scrub from their websites? We just elected a fake President who thinks his children make great fake advisors, who will soon appoint a bunch of fake cabinet secretaries. That’s OK, I guess, since they will be responsible for addressing fake global warming, fake diseases, fake racism, fake drugs, fake science, human rights for fake humans (blacks, Latinos, Muslims) and the bigliest group of fake men of all time, women.

    • phoenix00

      Couldn’t have happened fast enough.

  • Lefty Wright

    Right. Nikki Haley would be the greatest Secretary of State because her parents are from India. Although as far as anyone knows, she has never been in India. Maybe a few family vacations and some recruiting junkets to China as governor. The rest of her time has been spent sucking up to the right wing in South Carolina, that hotbed of peaceful international diplomacy and research. And a population prone to tell anyone who is not white and christian to get the hell out. Yeah, she should fit just perfect in the Trump administration.

  • whitroth

    Oh, *great*. Hard-right superconservative Merkel, a friend? To the well left of Trump, USA?

  • OrdinaryJoe

    #failedpresidencybegins
    #celebtityapprenticepresidentelect

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