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I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don’t let anybody tell you different.

When Nov. 11 rolls around, this quote from Breakfast of Champions gets dragged out of storage and put on display for the occasion of Kurt Vonnegut’s birthday and Armistice/Veterans Day. But that’s what remembrance and ceremony are for, after all, as mile markers on our half-blind flatcar ride through time. So it goes. And since it remains an awesome quote, and since Vonnegut never feared flirting with cliché (who are we kidding? He dived right in and consummated the relationship), neither will we. Let us indulge — for our fifth consecutive year, if you can believe it! — in another nice rummage through the mental attic with Uncle Kurt:

So this book is a sidewalk strewn with junk, trash which I throw over my shoulders as I travel in time back to November eleventh, nineteen hundred and twenty-two.

I will come to a time in my backwards trip when November eleventh, accidentally my birthday, was a sacred day called Armistice Day. When I was a boy, and when Dwayne Hoover was a boy, all the people of all the nations which had fought in the First World War were silent during the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of Armistice Day, which was the eleventh day of the eleventh month.

It was during that minute in nineteen hundred and eighteen, that millions upon millions of human beings stopped butchering one another. I have talked to old men who were on battlefields during that minute. They have told me in one way or another that the sudden silence was the Voice of God. So we still have among us some men who can remember when God spoke clearly to mankind.

Armistice Day has become Veterans’ Day. Armistice Day was sacred. Veterans’ Day is not.

So I will throw Veterans’ Day over my shoulder. Armistice Day I will keep. I don’t want to throw away any sacred things.

What else is sacred? Oh, Romeo and Juliet, for instance.

And all music is.

Breakfast of Champions (1973)

It’s just such a wonderfully Vonnegut-y quote, for all the terrific reasons there are to love Kurt Vonnegut: the short, clipped sentences; the backwards time travel; the affectation of spelling out the year; the “men who can remember when God spoke clearly to mankind” — Jesus, what a lovely line! The definitive declarations that sound like pure Truth, but on reflection are, OK, kind of simplistic. The self-aware nostalgia and sentimentality, even as he cautions against nostalgia and sentimentality. And Romeo and Juliet, for chrissakes? Not King Lear, at least? In some ways, loving Vonnegut almost feels like an adolescent thing to do, and sometimes it’s tempting — especially if you get into a graduate literature program — to think of Vonnegut as a writer you should have grown out of by now. It’s a problem of which Vonnegut himself was quite aware, of course, as he acknowledged in his interview with Playboy, also from 1973:

I deal with sophomoric questions that full adults regard as settled. I talk about what is God like, what could He want, is there a heaven, and, if there is, what would it be like? This is what college sophomores are into; these are the questions they enjoy having discussed. And more mature people find these subjects very tiresome, as though they’re settled.

By the time you’re in grad school, you know better than to talk about Vonnegut as if he were quite as deep as you were sure he was at 17. Grownup Serious Literature Students are allowed to quote Vonnegut as much as they want, as long as they treat him as an affectionate artifact they’ve outgrown, like model airplanes hanging from the ceiling or stuffed animals on a dorm bed. And then after you’re comfortably past the one-upmanship of a graduate seminar, you can go back to just plain enjoying Kurt Vonnegut all over again, even if you no longer zoom a plastic B-25 Mitchell bomber around your room (though maybe that’s more of a Joseph Heller thing, anyway).

The other great Vonnegut quote about Armistice Day turning into Veterans Day comes from Mother Night (1961), and doesn’t get quoted nearly as often, but we like it for its explicit grumping about the motivation for the holiday’s metamorphosis:

“Oh, it’s just so damn cheap, so damn typical.” I said, “This used to be a day in honor of the dead of World War One, but the living couldn’t keep their grubby hands off of it, wanted the glory of the dead for themselves. So typical, so typical. Any time anything of real dignity appears in this country, it’s torn to shreds and thrown to the mob.”

We’ll agree the quote from Breakfast of Champions, as Vonnegut worked it out over a decade later, is a grander, more quotable passage, but there’s something awfully nice about the raw bitchiness of the earlier version. It’s sort of surprising to us that we haven’t seen any online pairings of the two, either. After all, yet another of the fun things about reading Vonnegut is seeing him turn over ideas again and again in his novels, taking them through their permutations like a Tralfamadorian looking through time.

There are some things it might be a mistake to grow out of.

And so we’ll go on quoting Kurt Vonnegut as much as we damn well please, thank you. We’re still just as happy as ever that five summers ago, we bought Kid Zoom his own copy of Slaughterhouse-Five, which we were relieved to learn he loved. We’d like to recommend giving your favorite books to your kids — it’s a great way to start a conversation, or to keep one going.

So happy Kurt Vonnegut’s birthday, and a peaceful Armistice/Veterans Day to all of you. Since there are few things more fun than quoting Uncle Kurt, here are a couple of collections of Vonnegut quotes. We added a quote for Armistice Day 2013 that wasn’t in the inaugural version of this column:

“Perhaps, when we remember wars, we should take off our clothes and paint ourselves blue and go on all fours all day long and grunt like pigs. That would surely be more appropriate than noble oratory and shows of flags and well-oiled guns.”

Cat’s Cradle

For 2014, with a beautiful new war in Syria starting and too many people who should have known better urging that we get “boots on the ground” — let’s only talk about the boots, not the young men and women wearing them (children, really! Their cerebral cortexes aren’t even grown up yet!) — our new, cautionary Vonnegut quote came from a 1991 interview, shortly after the first Gulf War:

“We have become such a pitiless people,” Vonnegut lamented. “And I think it’s TV that’s done it to us. When I went to war in World War II, we had two fears. One was we would be killed. The other was that we might have to kill somebody. And now killing is Whoopee. It does not seem much anymore. To my generation, it still seemed like an extraordinary thing to do, to kill.”

Then in 2015, mere weeks after our president (Nobel Peace Prize 2009) apologized to Doctors Without Borders (Nobel Peace Prize 1999) for strafing and bombing a hospital in Afghanistan, killing at least 30 patients, doctors, and nurses, we managed to dig up another Kurt Vonnegut quote about war, this time about the terrible ethical legacy of World War II:

One of the great American tragedies is to have participated in a just war. It’s been possible for politicians and movie-makers to encourage us we’re always good guys. The Second World War absolutely had to be fought. I wouldn’t have missed it for the world. But we never talk about the people we kill. This is never spoken of.

Now here we find ourselves in 2016, with a brand new president-elect who can’t wait to be Commander in Chief, since he knows more about ISIS than the generals, wants to bomb the shit out of them and take their oil, looks forward to bringing back waterboarding — and worse!! — and has hinted he’d be willing to go to war with any punk bitch country whose sailors give the finger to our beautiful destroyers. Donald Trump is more like a fantastic bad guy out of a Kilgore Trout story than any other president our great nation has had. Listening to Donald Trump talk during the campaign about the supposed efficacy of torture, the wonderful inventiveness of torture, certainly reminded us of a Kurt Vonnegut essay from 1971, “Torture and Blubber,” in which Vonnegut — who as a survivor of Dresden knew far more about what happens when you bomb the shit out of them than Donald Trump will ever understand — explained, 45 years before the advent of President-elect Trump, the flaw in the man’s thinking.

Agony never made a society quit fighting, as far as I know. A society has to be captured or killed–or offered things it values. While Germany was being tortured during the Second World War, with justice, may I add, its industrial output and the determination of its people increased. Hitler, according to Albert Speer, couldn’t even be bothered with marveling at the ruins or comforting the survivors. The Biafrans were tortured simultaneously by Nigerians, Russians and British. Their children starved to death. The adults were skeletons. But they fought on.

The problem with Donald Trump’s understanding of war — of the world in general — is that his moral sense is roughly that of a twelve-year-old, and a bully at that:

One wonders now where our leaders got the idea that mass torture would work to our advantage in Indochina. It never worked anywhere else. They got the idea from childish fiction, I think, and from a childish awe of torture.

Children talk about tortures a lot. They often make up what they hope are new ones. I can remember a friend’s saying to me when I was a child: “You want to hear a really neat torture?” The other day I heard a child say to another: “You want to hear a really cool torture?” And then an impossibly complicated engine of pain was described. A cross would be cheaper, and work better, too.

But children believe that pain is an effective way of controlling people, which it isn’t — except in a localized, short-term sense. They believe that pain can change minds, which it can’t. Now the secret Pentagon history reveals that plenty of high-powered American adults think so, too, some of them college professors. Shame on them for their ignorance.

If Kurt Vonnegut were with us today — and through his writing, he is — he would be among millions of us saying to President-elect Trump, “Shame on you for your ignorance.” For all he’d listen to us, even if we all painted ourselves blue and went on all fours all day long and grunted like pigs.

We can probably keep adding a new, timely Vonnegut quote about war to this column every year until we run out of quotes, or we run out of wars. At the rate our nation is going, we may run out of Internet first. We fear we can keep this up this tradition forever, since we’ll be in Afghanistan at least that long. Don’t worry; if by some fluke a Nov. 11 should come about when Americans aren’t in combat somewhere, we can handle it. Vonnegut wrote about a lot of other things, too.

And since Kurt Vonnegut liked music enough to consider it the only really plausible evidence that God might exist, here’s a song for Armistice-Remembrance-Veterans Day, Eric Bogle’s “And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda,” to remember the over 9,750,000 who died during the Great War. There are no living veterans of that war; the last, Florence Green, died in 2012 just two weeks short of her 111th birthday.

Let’s try to at least imagine a world where we won’t need veterans’ parades.

What, one more video? OK, if you insist.

[Breakfast of Champions / Mother Night / Cat’s Cradle / Slaughterhouse-Five / “Torture and Blubber”]

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  • Alas, Kurt was writing in a simpler time, before Paris Hilton cut an album. Now, only most music is sacred.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Nickelback libulz!!1!

  • TundraGrifter

    I’ll go with Mark Twain’s “The War Prayer.”

    Although there is certainly something to be said for “War Is A Racket.” (And not just because it makes a loud noise.)

    • BadKitty904

      Behan’s The Patriot Game, too, also.

    • JMP

      I go with Dylan’s “Masters of War”, here covered by Pearl Jam in 2004 (gee, I wondered what inspired that one):

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aB8kSNlz2A

  • The Devastated Ms. MLG

    Have the best weekend you can, friends. I’m thinking of you and hurting with you. ♡♡♡

    • TundraGrifter

      So far, for most people the five stages of grief appear to be:

      #1 – Shock – complete and utter disbelief

      #2 – Anger

      #3 – Anger

      #4 – Anger

      and

      #5 – Anger

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I’m too pissed off and depressed to even enjoy drinking.

        • La Resistance O’hontas

          I drink through that stage.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            I gotta try that technique.

          • mancityhombres

            sometimes, you just have to power through it.

          • La Resistance O’hontas

            It takes courage to persevere.

          • Paul

            THAT was fucking funny. Thanks.

        • Anna Rompage

          No kidding, I’m always a happy drunk, and alcohol seems to uplift whatever feeling ales me but holy shit, it’s making me even more pissed than when sober…

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            LIkewise. Double upvote for “ales me”. I hopped right on that one.

          • nothingisamiss

            I’m finding this too. Alcohol makes me happy, but I am a rage filled despair machine and nothing is helping.

        • TundraGrifter

          I haven’t had a drink since Tuesday evening. Remarkable how that makes it easier to stay asleep – and to go back to sleep if the puppies wake me up.

          • puredog

            ARE YOU ME? You have exactly described my life (although I only have one puppy at present, to go with the dog).

          • TundraGrifter

            If I’m you who are you?

        • nothingisamiss

          Me too. Even if you’re joking, me too. I’ve tried to both eat to stuff down feelings and drinking but my rage and despair are not subsiding.
          True story.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            I’m not joking. I wish I was…but i’m not.

      • doktorzoom

        Don’t forget # 6: ACTION

      • jowgajen

        It’s a more cheerful anger today, I think.

        • TundraGrifter

          I must say that certainly counts as looking at the bright side.

          This morning I read a theory that Trump will abandon the Muslin ban, never start building the Mexican Wall (who could possibly be surprised he won’t do the things he said he would?) and basically govern like a middle of the road Republican. Rockefeller light.

          Then I read Duh Gov’ is being considered for Secretary of the Interior and that brief little buzz died a rather nasty and painful death.

          • nothingisamiss

            It’s those flashes of hope that make the despair worse.

          • TundraGrifter

            Things are usually darkest before they go pitch black.

      • Me not sure

        … followed by projectile vomiting.

        • TundraGrifter

          Of course, that’s also every December 31st – New Year’s Heave.

      • diogenez

        Also too: ANGER

    • nightmoth

      Same to you, and everyone here. Every time I feel a little better I remember what’s happened and feel like I’m at a funeral. Let’s all remember: Don’t Panic! Not yet anyway.

    • La Resistance O’hontas

      You too! Take care and stay nasty!

    • Anna Rompage

      You as well! Big hugs!

    • Bub the Mad Zombie

      Have the best weekend you can. We’re all Devastated together.

  • BadKitty904

    OT: Along with the ACLU’s announcement this AM, the Rebel Alliance stirs…

    The Resistance Begins Today
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/ben-jealous-organizing-starts-now-love-n681556

  • Scooby

    Next time I’ll call Robert Ludlam
    https://youtu.be/pDLzLUmtU3w

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Breakfast indeed…

    Now watch what you say or they’ll be calling you a radical,
    Liberal, fanatical, criminal.
    Won’t you sign up your name, we’d like to feel you’re
    Acceptable, respectable, presentable, a vegetable!

    At night, when all the world’s asleep,
    The questions run so deep
    For such a simple man.
    Won’t you please, please tell me what we’ve learned
    I know it sounds absurd
    But please tell me who I am.

  • Shibusa

    I downloaded ‘If This Isn’t Nice, What Is?: Advice for the Young’ for $2 on Audible a few months back. It’s a collection of his commencement speeches. Very enjoyable listening.

  • Nounverb911

    How do I upfist a post?

    • doktorzoom

      Right at the top of the comments section here, click “recommend.” And thank you! :)

      • Nounverb911

        Done!

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        does that actually do anything other than act as an upfist?

        • I think it recommends the thread to others on Disqus. Which might be a helpful thing? Dok could say for sure, though, since he is the kindest, most gentle and smartest man I’ve ever known.

          • Nounverb911

            Dok is the Manchurian Candidate?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            that’s what I was wondering- I ignored it, thinking it might link back to social media or something, but if it promotes Teh Wonket on Disgust, I’ll start using it.

          • mancityhombres

            As a lazy fister, I do that on nearly every post.

          • Celtic_Gnome

            Oh boy! Does this mean we get to experience anti-Vonnegut trolls?

          • If such a thing exists, probably.

        • doktorzoom

          from Disqus: “When you ♥ (“Recommend”) a discussion, it shows up in feeds of people
          following you. If you follow communities and people, you’ll see what
          discussions are getting recommended by others.”

          So not a lot, but a little. Also an ego boost for your Wonket content-making monkeys.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick I guess

  • herrointment

    Thank you.

  • Anna Rompage

    “You want to know something? We are still in the Dark Ages. The Dark Ages–they haven’t ended yet.” Kurt Vonnegut

  • Daisy

    Thanks, Dok.

    • tinker12

      I had the biggest crush on Napoleon Solo. RIP you lucky bastard, you had a great life and now you get to avoid the coming Trumpocalypse.

  • Bill D. Burger

    “America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves. To quote the American humorist Kin Hubbard, ‘It ain’t no disgrace to be poor, but it might as well be.’ It is in fact a crime for an American to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: ‘if you’re so smart, why ain’t you rich?’ There will also be an American flag no larger than a child’s hand – glued to a lollipop stick and flying from the cash register.”
    ___ Kurt Vonnegut

  • Jgb979

    I’ll never outgrow Vonnegut.

    If he would replace Ayn Fucking Rand, who everyone should put grow by 18 at most, the world would be a more awesome place.

    • JH Marx

      I read and discarded her at 13*.
      Kilgore Trout is my favorite author.
      * 70 now.

  • WomanInAMood

    Dulce et Decorum Est by Wilfred Owen | Poetry Foundation

  • Bill D. Burger

    From_ Slaughterhouse-Five:

    “Americans, like human beings everywhere, believe many things that are obviously untrue. Their most destructive untruth is that it is very easy for any American to make money. They will not acknowledge how in fact hard money is to come by, and, therefore, those who have no money blame and blame and blame themselves. This inward blame has been a treasure for the rich and powerful, who have had to do less for their poor, publicly and privately, than any other ruling class since, say Napoleonic times. Many novelties have come from America. The most startling of these, a thing without precedent, is a mass of undignified poor. They do not love one another because they do not love themselves.”

  • Nounverb911

    In an interesting aside Cory Lewanwhatever has resigned from CNN, obviously he’s gotten a better offer with less criticism of his plantiness.

    https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/797204009132113920

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Mission Accomplished

    • boyblue123

      he probably has a cabinet position in the Trump administration

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        Brian Stelter from CNN said he’s expected to have a role in the Administration.

        • boyblue123

          color me surprised….not

    • Carpe Vagenda

      What does one do with toilet paper when one is done using it?

      • Markuserektus

        Burn it?

        • Carpe Vagenda

          OK, clearly I’ve been doing this all wrong.

      • Creepoman

        Find a house with a “Trumpence” yard sign, put it in a paper bag filled with your St. Bernard’s crap, light it on fire, ring the doorbell, run like hell. The order of operations is important.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

  • Markuserektus

    And Harry doesn’t mind, if he doesn’t, make the scene
    He’s got a daytime job, he’s doing alright…
    “We as a nation must find a way to move forward without consigning those who Trump has threatened to the shadows, their fear is entirely rational, because Donald Trump has talked openly about doing terrible things to them. Every news piece that breathlessly obsesses over inauguration preparations compounds their fear by normalizing a man who has threatened to tear families apart, who has bragged about sexually assaulting women and who has directed crowds of thousands to intimidate reporters and assault African Americans. Their fear is legitimate and we must refuse to let it fall through the cracks between the fluff pieces.”

  • TX Taco Truck Brigade

    “Vonnegut never feared flirting with cliché (who are we kidding? He dived right in and consummated the relationship)”

    Really? I’ve haven’t read anything of his in a long time, but that sounds surprising. I have this image of him being anti-cliche, but maybe a few choice quotes would turn me around on the subject.

    • Don’t get me putting words into Dok’s mouth, but my reading of that was Vonnegut’s penchant for upending cliches. Starting off going in a very obvious direction and then flipping the meaning right at the very end.

      I have also heard it suggested that Vonnegut, himself, was a sort of meta-cliche, insofar as there were certain things one could expect in every piece of Vonnegut writing. Repeated riffs like “Hi-ho”, self-referential asides and suchlike.

      • TX Taco Truck Brigade

        I think I know what you mean and I agree. And to Dok’s credit – yes he is sentimental, but I am too, so maybe that makes it attractive to me.

        But I agree with you and that’s why I consider him so original, or anti-cliche. A post modern fiddling and upending of standard cliches. That was one of the most fun parts of his writing, which I guess is why I found the statement unusual.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
    Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
    Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
    And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
    Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
    But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
    Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
    Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

    Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
    Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
    But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
    And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
    Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
    As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

    In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
    He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

    If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
    Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
    And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
    His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
    If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
    Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
    Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
    My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
    Pro patria mori. — Wilfred Owen

    • Markuserektus

      Composed in the Tower before his execution
      These moving verses, and being brought at that time
      Painfully to the stake, submitted, declaring thus:
      “I implore my God to witness that I have made no crime.”

      Nor was he forsaken of courage, but the death was horrible,
      The sack of gunpowder failing to ignite.
      His legs were blistered sticks on which the black sap
      Bubbled and burst as he howled for the Kindly Light.

      And that was but one, and by no means one of the worst;
      Permitted at least his pitiful dignity;
      And such as were by made prayers in the name of Christ,
      That shall judge all men, for his soul’s tranquillity.

      We move now to outside a German wood.
      Three men are there commanded to dig a hole
      In which the two Jews are ordered to lie down
      And be buried alive by the third, who is a Pole.

      Not light from the shrine at Weimar beyond the hill
      Nor light from heaven appeared. But he did refuse.
      A Lüger settled back deeply in its glove.
      He was ordered to change places with the Jews.

      Much casual death had drained away their souls.
      The thick dirt mounted toward the quivering chin.
      When only the head was exposed the order came
      To dig him out again and to get back in.

      No light, no light in the blue Polish eye.
      When he finished a riding boot packed down the earth.
      The Lüger hovered lightly in its glove.
      He was shot in the belly and in three hours bled to death.

      No prayers or incense rose up in those hours
      Which grew to be years, and every day came mute
      Ghosts from the ovens, sifting through crisp air,
      And settled upon his eyes in a black soot.

      Anthony Hecht, “ ‘More Light! More Light!’

      • Carpe Vagenda

        At dawn the ridge emerges massed and dun
        In the wild purple of the glow’ring sun,
        Smouldering through spouts of drifting smoke that shroud
        The menacing scarred slope; and, one by one,
        Tanks creep and topple forward to the wire.
        The barrage roars and lifts. Then, clumsily bowed
        With bombs and guns and shovels and battle-gear,
        Men jostle and climb to, meet the bristling fire.
        Lines of grey, muttering faces, masked with fear,
        They leave their trenches, going over the top,
        While time ticks blank and busy on their wrists,
        And hope, with furtive eyes and grappling fists,
        Flounders in mud. O Jesus, make it stop! — Siegfried Sassoon

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea

    Thank you for this. I also had my youthful fling with Vonnegut. But unlike my brief summer camp encounter with Holden Caulfield, I remember it fondly. And it is something I like to revisit sometimes.

    Is that appropriately cliche for the occasion?

  • Reality Kills

    (Fuck you #323214520011) Fuck you, Donald!!

  • bookish

    More information on the Million Woman March.

    http://dcist.com/2016/11/million_woman_march_planned_in_dc_f.php

    • Creepoman

      Do we have any youngs that are smart enough to kickstart (or is it curb stomp?) a plan to produce 1 Million (in Dr. Evil voice) spiked codpieces to protect the ladies’ naughty bits from tiny orange grabby hands?

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Add this to the “I told you so” list for the Trumpkins. The best part is, if Donnie actually starts doing that whole governing thing and exploring options for the ACA, he will quickly discover two important things

    1) the GOP opposed it out of spite, not for any rational reason, so they will continue to oppose it

    2) All those pesky parts that he hates are necessary to make the whole thing work. The mandatory parts, the penalties, the employer provisions, the subsidies- those things are how you avoid a death spiral, if you insist on sticking to a market based approach. No insurance company will go along with the preexisting conditions exemption without a corresponding mandatory participation part- otherwise there’s no point in buying insurance until you get sick. And the buying insurance across state lines and tort reform won’t come close to making up the shortfalls, nor will they contain costs or keep premiums from skyrocketing. The devil is in the details, Pubbies. All the parts you railed against are the glue that is necessary to hold the whole thing together, in lieu of some sort of single payer approach or even a public option. I’m going to LMAO when Trump opens this can of worms only to discover what a snake pit it will be to build something workable without duplicating the Rube Goldberg machine that the ACA is. There’s a reason why Lyin Ryan and the Turtle both talked a good game about ‘repeal and replace’ to rile up the rubes, but never actually offered anything resembling a plan- it’s fucking hard…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obamacare-repeal_us_582638e8e4b0c4b63b0cafff

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      tl;dr version

      congratulations, puppy dog. you finally caught the car you were chasing. Now what are you going to do with it?

    • Creepoman

      The one faint, glimmering remnant of hope it that the “replacement” for Obamacare will end up being a slightly tweaked version called “GloriousleaderheilTRUMPcare” that is practically the same. Then repugs can claim victory and move on to wrecking the EPA. But that’s just the optimist in me and more likely I’ll be stepping over emaciated corpses in the street by time 2020 rolls around.

      • tinker12

        Scuttlebut is that $arah Palin will be Secretary of the Interior. The EPA and Dept of Education will be killed.

        • Creepoman

          Almost seems quaint now, but didn’t some candidate once so eloquently state: “and the uh … what’s the third one, there? Let’s see. The third one. I can’t . . .Oops.”

          At least I know how I’ll spend my weekend – filling up enough balloons of breathing air to last for four years.

        • Oh, happy day! We will finally be free of the tyranny of an educated populace and that nasty “outdoors” thing that always gets in the way of making a buck.

          • Bmaccnm

            I have been reading articles on WAPO about how the election was a rebuke to the college educated. The college educated have been lording it over the non-college educated for so long, and now the nons have won. I couldn’t make total sense of the rationale, being a snobby college educated nurse and all, but it’s something about how people who didn’t go to college are smart, too, and they’re sick of all you stuck up desk workers. We’re well and truly fucked.

          • Except a lot of college educated people voted for him, too. Which just goes to show, sometimes a piece of paper is just a piece of paper.

      • dshwa

        I said it before and I’ll say it again, the only thing the teabaggers disliked about Obamacare was the Obama part. Ask them about any of the provisions, and they were all “that’s a good idea” (except the medicaid expansion, because fuck those people).

        • Creepoman

          It’s *their* plan, for FSM’s sake!

          • dshwa

            Yeah. That was the part that always killed me. This was your side’s idea. You came up with it. You even implemented it in a state. How can you say Obama won’t work with you when he basically said I like your idea, let’s implement it?

          • OrG

            Repubs had one thing on their agenda;Oppose Obama.That is soon to be history.If the consequences weren’t so potentially disasterous I might find some humor in this scenario.

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      On the bright side, if Republicans have to replace it, maybe they’ll finally read the damn thing.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Most of the establishment ones have read it- that’s why they run like scalded dogs when anyone asks them for their alternative.

  • Pinkham’s Law

    I only lost one FB friend during this election thing. I have a feeling I’m going to lose several for sharing this article. But I shared it anyway.

    • WomanInAMood

      All I ask is that you keep sharing your own sweet self. And recipes.

      • Pinkham’s Law

        Which reminds me: I need to fine tune the shade I’m throwing in tomorrow’s. *narrows eyes* *opens file in wordpad*

        • WomanInAMood

          Frankly, focus on comfort food. For me, mac and cheese with tuna.

          • Resistinceisnotfutile

            I want sex, and lots of it.

          • WomanInAMood

            Yes. But the recipes are remarkably varied. As they should be.

          • Creepoman

            Personal favorite and guilty pleasure. I do all the cooking at home and no else will eat M&C&T, so I only get to enjoy it by myself.

          • Pinkham’s Law

            I gave ‘trix a choice of two recipes which I had pics of. She said I couldn’t do my Chicken Soup because hers is the best and she’d hate-edit mine, sooooooooo . . . you get the other one. Gonna have to wait to see what it is, though!

          • WomanInAMood

            I’m sure it will be delicious.

      • Resistinceisnotfutile

        I get to keep the pearls, though, right? I mean, they were my mother’s.

    • AntiDerpomeme

      Delicate little snowflakes need to face some hard truths.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Right? They like Trump because he “says what’s on his mind”. Maybe it’s time we do the same. My message to fb Trumpholes squirming around trying to worm out of being associated with the Brownshirts rampaging right now: “Own it”. And “fuck you”.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          Hey Trumpkins, remember how you clowns kept claiming that 1.5 billion Muslins around the world are all responsible for the actions of a few thousand zealots in Iraq? Remember how quick you all were to chastise the entire blah community any time any isolated example of a blah person behaving badly showed up in your newsfeed?

          Karma’s a bitch- you lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. And right now you clowns are covered in them…

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            When are white people finally going to speak out against the lawlessness that infests their communities?

          • WomanInAMood

            Now. I hope. Because white women are the fucking worst.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            They did screw the pooch, didn’t they? Along with the rest of us.

          • WomanInAMood

            Jesus Fucking Christ. What the hell is wrong with people? They didn’t screw the pooch, they screwed milions of people.

        • mfp

          absolutely…i have ‘own it’-d and ‘fuck you’-d about half my faceborg feed…cause, youknow…fuck them…no more mr nice guy–there will be no forgiveness…i’ve never been a turn-the-other-cheek liberal, and i’m not about to start now, and it’s high time the ‘liberal’ establishment grew a set and adopt the same attitude

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            I’m with you, comrade.

          • Resistinceisnotfutile

            I think the bitchier and nastier we are the better. The dickheads who think that white privilege won out over inclusiveness and tolerance are going to find out that they are not actually the moral leaders of this country. They are, in fact, in the way of where we need to go. I WANT TO SHOVE THEM OUT OF THE WAY.

  • satanscheerleadersloveamerica

    I have been a history,and strangely considering who I am, a war history aficionado. I read every book on wwII, wwI as elective reading in late elementary school. In high school in the mid 80s we were assigned or given the option to read and write on Slaughterhouse Five (Thank you Mrs. Upham, and a well funded public school). It really had a profound effect on me and my world view. RIP Kurt Vonnegut

  • AntiDerpomeme

    If loving Vonnegut and Dok’s wonderful yearly Armistice Day tribute is immature, well I ain’t never growing up.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    On old friend stopped by my shop today…walked in the door and screamed “FUUUCCKKKK!!1!””. He’s even more untethered and depressed than me, which is remarkable. He told his wife not to invite her Trumphole relatives over any time soon, and maybe never…”I’m not getting over this!”. It actually made me feel better knowing someone is coping worse than I am. How fucking sad is that?

    • Pinkham’s Law

      There’s a reason “misery loves company” is such a well known saying.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        a cliché, as it were…

        • Pinkham’s Law

          Love your new avatar!

    • tinker12

      Frankly, I feel the same way I did on 9/11/01.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Same here. Maybe worse.

        • WomanInAMood

          It’s been like 9/11 around here. But slowly, we’re starting to channel the Blitz.

          • FauxAntocles

            We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender

          • WomanInAMood

            Churchill was a remarkably eloquent man. This speech has been drifting around my mind for days.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            “Never have so few done so much to fuck up life for so many.”

            –me, Tuesday night

        • Resistinceisnotfutile

          I haven’t let up on the Xanax so yeah, I’m not doing too hot. I have no coping skills at all right now. I woman I don’t like sat next to me last night at my hangout and she’s lucky she left with her hair. If she had said one single word to me that hit me wrong, I am not sure I wouldn’t have gone to jail. I am beside myself and disconsolate. I can’t accept this and I don’t know when I will be able to. I am taking this worse than my divorce.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Yeah, I’ve definitely felt that someone saying the wrong thing to me could lead to some physical mayhem…something I’ve never done before even though I’m 6’6″ and strong as an ox. Hang in there. I always find that I eventually simply get sick of staying miserable.

          • Resistinceisnotfutile

            Thank you, honey. I’m doing my best. You hang in there, too. Maybe aliens will finally come down and say okay, that’s enough, you chuckleheads. Get in the ship.

      • Foreign Agitator Ron

        9/11 happened one time, and then we could move on and do the next thing. This one is lasting.

  • cousin itt

    Oh crap, there is one of these on my wall. I always wondered if there could ever be such a thing as flat screen teevee as large as a Medieval tapestry. And books are now vid screens. What next? Some kind of ‘communicator’ phone that I can call a spacecraft in orbit around our planet and see and hear someone on the other side?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4169b9c0cffb1409794de62c387a326b086d0570c69ca7936b5a6b4bfc42f4cd.jpg

  • paltroony

    I love this country and having Donald Trump in the oval office is like realizing your daughter is going out with a pimp.

    • Creepoman

      Uh, I think you misspelt “Trump” there at the end of the sentence.

  • tinker12

    My son just joined the military full time after being a reservist for eight years. I literally threw up when I thought of his new Commander in Chief and the evil Neocons who will be advising him. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk!!

    • jowgajen

      There’s nothing neo about those cons.

      • starkitty

        They’ve been conning people for a while.

    • BadKitty904

      What kind of benefits do Russian soldiers, get, anyway?

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Oh GOD. I’d say I am praying for your son if I had any faith in God right now FFS!

  • Daisy

    I’m resisting the urge to insult Trump supporters on Facebook right now, but it’s hard, since thanks to Paul Ryan, they may have just killed my father.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Oh God, honey, IDK what to tell you. I worked so hard to deliver you a different result. I am so sorry, honey…

      • Daisy

        It’s not your fault. It’s theirs.

  • Nounverb911
  • Nounverb911

    Also, too in honor of Veterans Day, we have this wonderful chyron.

    https://twitter.com/BrettLoGiurato/status/797202627419394048

  • TX Taco Truck Brigade

    OT: Robert Vaughn died.

    Worst year ever.

    • dshwa

      2016 refusing to just go quietly.

    • Markuserektus
    • The Wanderer

      Open Channel D, and let Mr. Waverly know Mr. Solo’s in the office.

      • Painter of Goats

        I loved that show so much as a kid I started a Man from U.N.C.L.E. club – and I got to be Napoleon Solo.

    • OrG

      Not over yet…..

  • Shoto

    “…There are some things it might be a mistake to grow out of…”

    Yup.

    Great piece, Dok.

  • Thanks Dok. Vonnegut has always been and always will be a soothing salve when life begins to sting more than it should.

  • tehbaddr

    Billy are you time tripping again? I can always tell, you know, when you’ve been time tripping.

  • Ricky Gay

    great post Dok.

  • dshwa

    It’s a good day for some Whitman: (it’s always a good day for some Whitman)

    1

    THE last sunbeam
    Lightly falls from the finish’d Sabbath,
    On the pavement here—and there beyond, it is looking,
    Down a new-made double grave.

    2

    Lo! the moon ascending! 5
    Up from the east, the silvery round moon;
    Beautiful over the house tops, ghastly phantom moon;
    Immense and silent moon.

    3

    I see a sad procession,
    And I hear the sound of coming full-key’d bugles; 10
    All the channels of the city streets they’re flooding,
    As with voices and with tears.

    4

    I hear the great drums pounding,
    And the small drums steady whirring;
    And every blow of the great convulsive drums, 15
    Strikes me through and through.

    5

    For the son is brought with the father;
    In the foremost ranks of the fierce assault they fell;
    Two veterans, son and father, dropt together,
    And the double grave awaits them. 20

    6

    Now nearer blow the bugles,
    And the drums strike more convulsive;
    And the day-light o’er the pavement quite has faded,
    And the strong dead-march enwraps me.

    7

    In the eastern sky up-buoying, 25
    The sorrowful vast phantom moves illumin’d;
    (’Tis some mother’s large, transparent face,
    In heaven brighter growing.)

    8

    O strong dead-march, you please me!
    O moon immense, with your silvery face you soothe me! 30
    O my soldiers twain! O my veterans, passing to burial!
    What I have I also give you.

    9

    The moon gives you light,
    And the bugles and the drums give you music;
    And my heart, O my soldiers, my veterans, 35
    My heart gives you love.

    • My avatar nods humbly in approval.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high
      And don’t be afraid of the dark
      At the end of the storm, there’s a golden sky
      And Walt Whitman and Oscar Wilde probably had sex once.

      • dshwa

        I always liked the song version of that from Carousel, although Liverpool fans have almost ruined it for me.

      • Vecchiojohn

        The hell you say!

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          When two great writers love literature very, very much…

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      I’m feeling a little more Yeats-y right now:

      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed
      And everywhere the ceremony of innocence is drowned

      • The Wanderer

        And what rude beast, its hour come round at last,
        Slouches toward Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, to be born?

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          I pulled in to Nazareth….

          • The Wanderer

            We were almost to Samaria when the drugs kicked in.

      • dshwa

        That’s a good line as well.

      • emmelemm

        I was feeling a little Auden, esp. the last line:

        The stars are not wanted now: put out every one;
        Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
        Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood.
        For nothing now can ever come to any good.

  • Jan_in_the_pan

    Thank you for posting this Dok, I look forward to this post every year- this year more than any.

  • Jukesgrrl

    OT: Corey Lewandowski has resigned from CNN. No doubt he’s been offered a plum assignment in the new administration in gratitude for pimping Trump on a national 24-hour news channel these recent months. Secretary of Tweeting?

    • Shoto

      As if we needed further proof that Jeff Zucker is A Idiot for having hired the piece of shit in the first place.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        he didn’t do it out of stupidity

      • Anna Rompage

        It’s all about ratings baby, and CNN got a ton of them…

    • NastySnarkOff

      The cabinet is going to be hilarious. Vonnegut would agree.

  • Me not sure

    ” The Band Played Waltzin’ Matilda” literally used to make me get a little weepy. It doewsn’t any more because I have no illusions that the slaughtering of humans by other humans over trivialities will ever cease. May the dead rest in more peace than the living ever have.

    • dshwa

      “Where have all the Flowers Gone?” may be the most accurate song ever about that cycle.

      • Me not sure

        R.I.P. Pete Seeger.

        • OrG

          Pete died in ’15 right? The older you get,the more dead heroes you have.

          • Me not sure

            All you can hope for is to have been someone else’s hero by the time you leave.

  • The Wanderer

    “They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
    Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
    At the going down of the sun and in the morning
    We will remember them.”

    – from For the Fallen, Laurence Binyon, 1914

    • “The Devonshires held this trench. The Devonshires hold it still.”
      – Battle of the Somme, July 1, 1916

      • The Wanderer

        “What did he do to Thee, O Lord?” – on an ANZAC headstone, Gallipoli.

    • Vecchiojohn

      When a Beau goes in

      When a Beau goes in,
      Into the drink,
      It makes you think,
      Because, you see, they always sink
      But nobody says “Poor lad”
      Or goes about looking sad
      Because, you see, it’s war,
      It’s the unalterable law.

      Although it’s perfectly certain
      The pilot’s gone for a Burton
      And the observer too
      It’s nothing to do with you
      And if they both should go
      To a land where falls no rain nor hail nor driven snow —
      Here, there, or anywhere,
      Do you suppose they care?

      You shouldn’t cry
      Or say a prayer or sigh.
      In the cold sea, in the dark
      It isn’t a lark
      But it isn’t Original Sin —
      It’s just a Beau going in.

      Gavin Ewart

  • NastySnarkOff

    OK so I have been paralyzed with despair since Tuesday night, and don’t see the nightmare ending any time soon (like, not for the next several decades, as it will take forever to undo the damage that is about to be inflicted on us, if we literally don’t get nuked first). That said, there’s almost too much wallowing here right now for even me to take. I think Imma take the night off, get a pedicure, watch “The Comeback” or something equally funny/smart/ridiculous, and get back to the despair and wallowing tomorrow. Suggest you all do same.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Nobody rains on MY wallowing!

      • NastySnarkOff

        Shut up and get a pedi!

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          Yes, master.

          • jowgajen

            Find some Madam President red and paint all the nails!

    • WomanInAMood

      I scheduled today for wallowing. And drinking. And getting furious.

      Tomorrow, just the furious. And we need to figure out what to do next. Because fuck Trump.

    • HogeyeGrex
      • Vecchiojohn

        Heh. Hope this gets me on the enemies list.

        • WomanInAMood

          See you in camp!

    • Courser

      I finally got out to Target for a much needed restock. I felt unsure and scared and scurried right back home.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Here’s a bit of nice time rescued from my Faceplace feed- a couple songs by Peter Rowan someone video’d from the show I mixed a couple week ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki6Rxm6vVPk

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Cool. Heard it was a good show. Greg was really pumped to get to play with his twin brother.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        It was. I hope it grows into being a big deal, now that it’s got backing from the casino

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Any shopping I HAVE to do (Hello, black flats that I have needed for a while now!) will be done before that asshole is inaugurated. FIGHT ON!

  • The Wanderer

    OT from another Wonkette articule, but the chili that I made was yet another magnificent dish, served with biscuits!

  • TheGrandWaz00

    A little of what I’ve gleaned from punditry today:

    Democrats: Sticks and stones may break our bones…
    Republicans: …and that is why we like them.

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea

    I’m also too in need of a break. Probably just until sometime tomorrow. Going to listen to some music, which makes this cynical atheist feel the same way Vonnegut felt about it, and create some art. Take care tonight, Wonkers. We’re getting through this. One day at a time.

    https://youtu.be/PJNp5UKRtbQ

  • tehbaddr

    I heard that The Trump Monster has obtained a very rare and exquisite sample. With that sample he plans to miraculously reverse global warming. The odd fellow who mentioned this mumbled so as to make him hard to understand, But I could have sworn I heard him say Ice 9!

    • Me not sure

      It doesn’t float.

  • Vecchiojohn
    • dshwa

      Yeah. 2016 can eat all the lightly salted poisoned rat dicks, or culinary equivalent of your choosing.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Everybody knows the war is over
      Everybody knows the good guys lost

      Godspeed, Mr. Cohen.

  • jowgajen

    Hmm, I just told a lady cold calling me for a prolife group to “fuck right off and have a good day” …. on my work desk line.

    So … I may still be politically fragile, ok?

    • WomanInAMood

      That was a amazingly polite. Because I certainly don’t want her to have a nice day.

    • MissNomer

      I called 311 yesterday to report an abandoned car on my street and screamed at the guy who answered because I shouldn’t have had to call him to get the sheriff’s number, dammit, and Donald Fucking Trump is going to be president!

      Today I went to pick up a prescription and stared daggers at people who are too stupid to be operating shopping carts.

      I think I’d better stay home away from other people for a few days. Or maybe I’d feel better going to a protest?

      • Foreign Agitator Ron

        I’d go and vent with a crowd of like-minded people.; It’ll feel good and hey, it’ll help at least a little.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Much nicer than I could have been. You’re stronger than I am!

    • Pinkham’s Law

      I’m sure, when she got off the phone, she turned to her neighbor and said, “Well, SHE seems nice!”

  • Gonna take a break, go do stuff for a while. I’ll be back later for anyone who needs commiserating.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Thanks honey. Yes, I’ll need you in a bit #atleastNevadaturnedblueforfuck’ssake

  • sadboy

    We are all single bright lines against a dark field, in our own paintings of The Temptation of Saint Anthony.

    • The Wanderer

      God bless Rabo Karabekian!

      • jodyleek

        God I love that book (I know he technically appears in two books).

  • starkitty
    • tehbaddr

      Imagine if enough people actually do this and it can make a difference!

      • starkitty

        Oh I am. It’s a chink of sunlight. Even if we don’t get Hillary and it goes to another sane republican, it will be a victory for humanity. Keeping the nuclear codes out of Trump/Pence hands is the priority. Followed by not giving away secrets to the Russians.

        • tehbaddr

          I signed up!

          • Good_Gawd_Yall

            Me too. Reason: I love my country.

  • Jamoche

    http://www2.nybooks.com/daily/s3/nov/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival.html

    I have lived in autocracies most of my life, and have spent much of my career writing about Vladimir Putin’s Russia. I have learned a few rules for surviving in an autocracy and salvaging your sanity and self-respect. It might be worth considering them now:

    Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable.

    Rule #4: Be outraged.

    • TheGrandWaz00

      Good article. What’s that they say about ignoring history and being doomed to repeat it?

      • JustDon’tSayDittos

        I forget.

  • Jonny On Maui

    OT: The cats are in their travel containers. I’m moving upcountry. No more golf course. No wifi until the middle of next week. Until later my fine friends.

    • tehbaddr

      New place might do you well, be safe.

    • Pinkham’s Law

      Congrats, Jonny – it’s been a long time coming.

      • Jonny On Maui

        I may take your hammock for a test drive… :-)

    • Nounverb911
      • jowgajen

        I feel an overwhelming desire to bow and back away slowly towards the cat food cupboard.

    • Jukesgrrl

      Best of luck to you.

    • proudgrampa

      Dude! Welcome to your new home!

      • Jonny On Maui

        Thanks proudgrampa! Next time you visit we’ll have a place to party!

        • proudgrampa

          I CANNOT WAIT!

    • snark-lurker

      weeks behind you here.
      r.e. your video treatment of Pink Floyd’s “us & them” to console my hurt feelies:

      awsome!…i guess—had to hit STOP as fast as i could when the shooting started, now about1-1/2 sec. of that is seared into my id.

      wish i could watch the rest but…i just can’t. it would hurt too much.

      cooincidance that i finally caught up to you on this of all days?

      days past as you read this in your new digs
      godspeed 11/11/11/11

    • WomanInAMood

      Take care, and have a great first night in your new house. We’ll miss you.

      • Jonny On Maui

        Workin’ the mobile 4G network staring at my teeny tiny phone screen. I feel like such a youngun.

    • janecita

      Good luck!

    • mailman27

      Don’t forget to write!

    • OneYieldRegular

      If I recall correctly, upcountry in Maui means up the slope of Haleakala, to me the most beautiful mountain I have ever seen with my own eyes. That you’ll be living on it makes me feel strangely comforted during such a despairing time.

      • Jonny On Maui

        Thank you. It’s breathtakingly peaceful!

  • Resistance Fighter MausFeet
    • tehbaddr

      Always liked Sascha’s stuff!

  • Resistance Fighter MausFeet

    With that, internet break time until Monday. Be well, all.

    • NastySnarkOff

      What, and miss Dear Shit Fer Brains? Sure to be epic.

      • Resistance Fighter MausFeet

        I know, right? Needed some offline time. But I’m back. I’m allllways back. Like the worst penny.

  • “God Bless You, Doktor Zoom!”

  • Daisy

    From what I can tell, the cut on my leg has stopped bleeding. So that’s good. And I got the books I need for my research paper.

    • Markuserektus

      Make sure you release that tourniquet occasionally…

      • Foreign Agitator Ron

        Tourniquets are tricky. I suggest practicing on a practice dummy. What’s the President-Elect doing tomorrow?

  • Jamoche
    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      IDK WTF this is (not a game person, go ahead and judge), but this!

      • Jamoche

        SimCity from sometime in the late 90s, going by the vintage Mac menubar.

    • WomanInAMood

      Well played, game designer. Well played.

  • Nounverb911

    Wise words from Lizzy Warren, for those of you that missed (like I did) on Rachel Maddow last night.

    https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/797219158240829440

    • artem1s

      sorry, fuck Dr. Maddow. never watching her again. Maybe if she spends a few years terrified Pence will drag her off for shock therapy to cure her ‘disease’ she will think twice about treating politics like some fucking clown car side show.

      • jowgajen

        No one seriously thought that Trump would win.

        The people who voted for Trump did not listen to essentially every editorial board in the country, many many many elected officials of both parties, or even Fox News when they refused to support him for President.

        Rachel Maddow could not have saved us.

        • Rise Up Demme!

          fox may not have supported him, but the damage was already done, because they had been laying the groundwork for an idiot like trump for years. they gleefully participated in smearing a good woman for years.
          Zippy’s right, fuck them all.

      • snark-lurker

        rachel toes the corp line…since 7,$$$,$$$ reasons you know

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        While I don’t see her as anywhere near the worst, fuck them all for caring more about money than integrity. I’ve quit watching cable news since the election- I’m done with the whole bunch of them. See how well your precious horse race does when the stands are empty because no one is watching.

      • OrG

        Switch over to Amy Goodman and Democracy Now!

      • mailman27

        I don’t get what you’re saying. I thought that Maddow treated us like adults every step of the way: with facts, history and strong empirical arguments. Never got the feeling that she was treating it anything less than seriously.

        • artem1s

          she had a graphic of exploding heads every time one of the GOP candidates got run out of the race. She gave T unlimited air time but failed to do any real vetting of his ties to Russian and the alt-right until Hillary put a name to it. The deplorables weren’t called out by Rachel. They were called out by the Dems and then Rachel was just the poor unfortunate soul who had to report it. And let’s not forget her endless fucking obsession over going over every fucking detail of the emails over and over and over again. She had no spine. She did everything she could to keep access for MSNBC and that sweet sweet Koch money that was going to disappear if the horse race wasn’t close.

      • Vorhees

        last night on Maddow when Warren left, the remaining guest was…Chris Hayes.

        Tonight on Chris Hayes, he talks to Michael Moore who says “Fire all the pundits.” They have a ha-ha moment about the fact that MM is appearing alone, no other pundits.

        Next guest – Rachel Maddow. Full circle!

        I’m suddenly pretty sure they haven’t fired all the pundits – they’re having a hard time booking anyone right now. Really hard.

        All that being said, I strongly disagree with your characterization of Rachel. She’s been calling out Trump the entire time.

        • artem1s

          She did not call him out until the very end. A lot of talk about how the thing was a joke. Lots of pointing and laughing at anyone who tried to stand up to T and failed. No real discussion about all of the illegal and treasonous activity until the last month or so. where were the stories on Russia and the pussy grabbing and the everything else during the primaries? They kept waiting for the other candidates to their jobs for them. They wanted someone else, anyone else, to vet the candidate so they wouldn’t have to; so they wouldn’t lose access. Not one of them wants to take responsibility for failing to point out the white nationalist connections. They made the Dems do it for them and made Hillary bring the alt-right out of the closet. The deplorables should have been called out by Rachel and her pals long before it got the general. But god forbid they hurt some racist hate mongers feelings and they lose those sweet, sweet Koch ad buys.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Can’t handle the news right now.. Thanks to Senator Warren for fighting on!

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    My friends, this thread is so sad and woebegone, that I feel the need to share a beautiful thing with you: this poem by my fellow Kentuckian Wendell Berry. It is called “The Peace of Wild Things”:

    When despair grows in me
    and I wake in the night at the least sound
    in fear of what my life and my children’s lives may be,
    I go and lie down where the wood drake
    rests in his beauty on the water, and the great heron feeds.
    I come into the peace of wild things
    who do not tax their lives with forethought
    of grief. I come into the presence of still water.
    And I feel above me the day-blind stars
    waiting for their light. For a time
    I rest in the grace of the world, and am free.

    Wendell Berry

  • angryspittle

    What a great comment. Love Vonnegut.

  • WomanInAMood
    • La Resistance O’hontas

      Thanks for this!

    • Jennifer R

      This is the first time I have ever heard Guthrie.

      • WomanInAMood

        Wow. I am glad you found him. You probably know this song.
        https://youtu.be/XaI5IRuS2aE

        • Jennifer R

          I do yes.

          • WomanInAMood

            FWIW, you are NOT one of the worst 33 year old people alive. Unless you voted for Trump.

          • Jennifer R

            Been all in for Hillary since the start of the calendar year.

        • Msgr_Moment

          which will soon be replaced by the Martin Mull version:

          Well, I’m about as heavy as a four-door Chevy
          in a room full of Cadillac limousines,
          Just about as hip as a hunk of linoleum
          About as psychedelic as a can of beans,

          I’m about as groovy as a John Wayne movie
          But there’s something that I gotta say…
          If this country stinks, then so do I
          And I’ll fight to keep it that way

          CHORUS:
          This land ain’t your land…this land is MY land
          From California to Levitown, Long Island,
          From the Gulf Stream Golf Course, to the US Air Force, uh-huh,
          This land was made for folks like me!

          Well, the hippies are quiet, but you know they’re gonna riot
          They must be up to something, ’cause they look so strange,
          Walking down the street with a weirdo hair-do
          Their hands in the air, ‘do you got spare change?’

          Well I never give ’em any…not a penny.
          I just kick ’em, then I say,
          If this country stinks, than so do I
          And I’ll fight to keep it that way!”

          (CHORUS)

      • Markuserektus

        But you knew that Bob Dylan got a Nobel Prize in literature…

        • Jennifer R

          I admit to being one of the worst 33 year olds alive.

      • Msgr_Moment

        This is a wonderful teachable moment then. May I also recommend Muddy Waters and Howling Wolf?

        • Jennifer R

          Yeah, this is totally my bailiwick.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    I like this Wonkie tradition….and in this post-election fog…”The definitive declarations that sound like pure Truth, but on reflection are, OK, kind of simplistic. The self-aware nostalgia and sentimentality, even as he cautions against nostalgia and sentimentality” almost sound a bit like it’s about our beloved OHJB… not exactly, but in a similar vein…

    • snark-lurker

      nothing is harder than making grappling with hard shit sound “simplistic”

      there’s another level not easily reached in the conscious state, but the sub-conscious feelz it

      • Beanz&Berryz

        One of many differences between OHJB and trump is that trump applies simplistic analysis and solutions to complex things, but OHJB explains complex things with a clarity that makes it easier to understand those actual complex things and possible solutions for them…

  • Grandma_Sheila

    One of my favorite Vonngegut quotes, & it perfectly fits the 2016 election. Prescient as always
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a44d2db852d168adf57f1fd909c126fb8bacd40ede27f89fd59e50b469fadc40.jpg

  • GRH

    Pretty sure Kurt was warning us about this past election when he wrote…

    “Thus did a handful of rapacious citizens come to control all that was worth controlling in America. Honest, industrious, peaceful citizens were classed as bloodsuckers, if they asked to be paid a living wage. And they saw that praise was reserved henceforth for those who devised means of getting paid enormously for committing crimes against which no laws had been passed.
    Thus the American dream turned belly up, turned green, bobbed to the scummy surface of cupidity unlimited, filled with gas, went bang in the noonday sun.” – Kurt Vonnegut – God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Just to tell you how HARD this is coming from a Pittsburgh native:

    #FineletthefuckingRavenswintheAFCNorthatleasttheyarefromabluestateFFS!

    Yeah, that fucking hard FFS…

    • Msgr_Moment

      Sometimes it’s not just the towel that’s terrible.

    • ThePuckStopsHere

      If only tRump had promised to deliver a victory to the Cleveland Browns in 2016. Then, finally, all of America would have known–beyond any reasonable doubt–that he was full of shit.

  • Dazza

    For what it’s worth, all of you HAVE made a difference – just by being here on Wonkette, not commenting.I have lurked here for a few years now, but have been uplifted by your compassion, vigour for working for the common good, and – of course – your dick jokes and horrible puns. I am a financial supporter of Wonkette now, and will continue to be in the future.

    Thanks to you I have: given more to charity; gotten involved with the Labor Party (yes, I know that in Oz it should be spelled “labour” but hey, we’re weird down here); grown far more annoying to management in my role as union rep.; decided to support journalism at Mother Jones and the Guardian; and simply given more spare change to the homeless people I see on my way to work. Thank you all for being here, you have helped me grow.

    Please don’t give up – you have more influence than you know. You have helped make me an activist, and I will do my best to spread the compassion and lessons I have learned here – and awful puns. I will be here for you, too.

    • doktorzoom

      As Uncle Kurt would say, Welcome to the Monkey House!

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        now, with tremendous monkeys, we have the best monkeys!

        • Nounverb911

          Are Trumpanzees monkeys too?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            unlike their cousins the Bonobos, they only fuck up…

          • Gloriarkelley

            Google is paying 97$ per hour! Work for few hours and have longer with friends & family! !ht181c:
            On tuesday I got a great new Land Rover Range Rover from having earned $8752 this last four weeks.. Its the most-financialy rewarding I’ve had.. It sounds unbelievable but you wont forgive yourself if you don’t check it
            !ht181c:
            ➽➽
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      • Once again our leaders will be shocked by all the masturbating monkeys.

        • Msgr_Moment

          The Invisible Hand of the Marketplace has to come from somewhere?

    • La Resistance O’hontas

      Dick jokes for EVERYONE!

      • Paul

        I knew if I scrolled down I’d see someone had made that crucial point. Soon as I saw “bad puns” I thought, what? No dick jokes?

    • Rise Up Demme!

      damn onion ninjas!

    • OrG

      I want a Labor Party in USAmerica.

      • Foreign Agitator Ron

        See if the Dems will lend you some spare parts to build it with.

    • Nounverb911

      I haven’t been to Oz in over 20 years, do the toilets still swirl counter-clockwise?

      • Dazza

        Nah, mate. Sorry.

    • WomanInAMood

      Thank you for making me cry. I am so horrified by this election, and it really is encouraging to know that folks outside these states know that we were not all with him. Welcome, and don’t be a stranger.

      • Dazza

        Sheesh – we know you are not all with him.

        Human nature is the same everywhere. We are all capable of tribal thinking and fearful of change, for change is frightening – reminding us of how impermanent life is. Tribalism is a way of clinging together and resisting what we perceive as a threat to existence.

        Goodness knows, Oz has plenty of racists and fearful, angry jerks – and we, too, must fight the authoritarians in our midst. Americans are not different from Australians, we just have compulsory voting which dampens some of the reactionary impulses of some of our mob.

        • WomanInAMood

          Thank you. I have pretty much decided that today (I don’t have to work) is my day to drink rediculous amounts of wine and weep and wail. Over the death of every ideal I once believed about America.

          Your non-comments are much needed balm. We probably all need that right now. I know I do.

        • willi0000000

          Australians and Americans are different

          1. we spell differently

          B. we drive on opposite sides of the road

          III. we here in USAmerica don’t have to cling to the ground with our toes to keep from falling off

          • cousin itt

            That actually happened to me. In New Zealand. There I was on the beach at night during a full moon. I looked up at it. Seemed different somehow, like the maria and highlands weren’t in the right places. Then, I suddenly had a feeling of falling and fell to the sand. I was looking at it ‘upside down’! It was at that point I realized I had travelled half way around our planet.

            Viewing Alpha Centauri was also really, really cool.

          • willi0000000

            i want to get to see the southern sky too . . .

            i also want to do a handstand on the beach and scream at everybody “how the fuck do you do that!”

            [ neither gonna happen . . . cant handstand (too old) . . . can’t afford (too poor) ]

  • Blacktop Cadence
  • Nounverb911

    Just found a wonderful reason to move to Italy.
    /facetious

    https://twitter.com/smh/status/797240298875326464

  • Be Gin

    I learned “”Waltzing Matilda” in class back when I was in third or fourth grade.

    My God! I still know all the lyrics!

    Thank you Doctor Zoom.

  • dxyseilc

    He’s in heaven now.

    • jodyleek

      Kurt and Isaac are having a good laugh, I’m sure.

  • Vel Venturi

    As an unabashed fan of Vonnegut (and Heller, for that matter), thanks for this. I’m starting to wonder if Trump isn’t an alien; he does seem to communicate by tap dancing and farting.

    ‘Someday, no one will march there at all.’

    • jodyleek

      Trump is the asshole that blugeoned the poor tap dancing and farting Zog, who was only warning them that their house was on fire. Zog also knew how to stop wars and cure cancer so of course he had to be killed.

      • Vel Venturi

        Good points all. I just can’t stop thinking of the Trump tap dancing and farting his way around the White House. It would be preferable to anything else he might do.

  • Nounverb911

    Actually, the problem was user error…

    https://twitter.com/Charles_HRH/status/796254096764403712

    • bookish

      What a card, that guy.

    • Jennifer R

      In industry parlance luser error.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      of all the people who have room to talk…

  • Jennifer R
    • Sean McLaren

      “…and even 10 million souls marching in February couldn’t stop the worst”

      • Jennifer R

        Chilling, no? Maybe we should bring 100 000 000

    • TJ Barke

      All praise Greg Graffin…

  • mailman27

    “Waltzing Matilda” on top of everything else is damn near unbearable. But here we are, so…

  • Nounverb911

    Bernie Sanders: Where the Democrats Go From Here
    By BERNIE SANDERS NOV. 11, 2016

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f1f81b290e11c790d4207924831caa4269cf7b71edcca765ee9b7b7e023fa7c.jpg

    Millions of Americans registered a protest vote on Tuesday, expressing their fierce opposition to an economic and political system that puts wealthy and corporate interests over their own. I strongly supported Hillary Clinton, campaigned hard on her behalf, and believed she was the right choice on Election Day. But Donald J. Trump won the White House because his campaign rhetoric successfully tapped into a very real and justified anger, an anger that many traditional Democrats feel.

    I am saddened, but not surprised, by the outcome. It is no shock to me that millions of people who voted for Mr. Trump did so because they are sick and tired of the economic, political and media status quo.

    Working families watch as politicians get campaign financial support from billionaires and corporate interests — and then ignore the needs of ordinary Americans. Over the last 30 years, too many Americans were sold out by their corporate bosses. They work longer hours for lower wages as they see decent paying jobs go to China, Mexico or some other low-wage country. They are tired of having chief executives make 300 times what they do, while 52 percent of all new income goes to the top 1 percent. Many of their once beautiful rural towns have depopulated, their downtown stores are shuttered, and their kids are leaving home because there are no jobs — all while corporations suck the wealth out of their communities and stuff them into offshore accounts.

    Working Americans can’t afford decent, quality child care for their children. They can’t send their kids to college, and they have nothing in the bank as they head into retirement. In many parts of the country they can’t find affordable housing, and they find the cost of health insurance much too high. Too many families exist in despair as drugs, alcohol and suicide cut life short for a growing number of people.

    President-elect Trump is right: The American people want change. But what kind of change will he be offering them? Will he have the courage to stand up to the most powerful people in this country who are responsible for the economic pain that so many working families feel, or will he turn the anger of the majority against minorities, immigrants, the poor and the helpless?

    Will he have the courage to stand up to Wall Street, work to break up the “too big to fail” financial institutions and demand that big banks invest in small businesses and create jobs in rural America and inner cities? Or, will he appoint another Wall Street banker to run the Treasury Department and continue business as usual? Will he, as he promised during the campaign, really take on the pharmaceutical industry and lower the price of prescription drugs?

    I am deeply distressed to hear stories of Americans being intimidated and harassed in the wake of Mr. Trump’s victory, and I hear the cries of families who are living in fear of being torn apart. We have come too far as a country in combating discrimination. We are not going back. Rest assured, there is no compromise on racism, bigotry, xenophobia and sexism. We will fight it in all its forms, whenever and wherever it re-emerges.

    I will keep an open mind to see what ideas Mr. Trump offers and when and how we can work together. Having lost the nationwide popular vote, however, he would do well to heed the views of progressives. If the president-elect is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families, I’m going to present some very real opportunities for him to earn my support.

    Let’s rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and create millions of well-paying jobs. Let’s raise the minimum wage to a living wage, help students afford to go to college, provide paid family and medical leave and expand Social Security. Let’s reform an economic system that enables billionaires like Mr. Trump not to pay a nickel in federal income taxes. And most important, let’s end the ability of wealthy campaign contributors to buy elections.

    In the coming days, I will also provide a series of reforms to reinvigorate the Democratic Party. I believe strongly that the party must break loose from its corporate establishment ties and, once again, become a grass-roots party of working people, the elderly and the poor. We must open the doors of the party to welcome in the idealism and energy of young people and all Americans who are fighting for economic, social, racial and environmental justice. We must have the courage to take on the greed and power of Wall Street, the drug companies, the insurance companies and the fossil fuel industry.

    When my presidential campaign came to an end, I pledged to my supporters that the political revolution would continue. And now, more than ever, that must happen. We are the wealthiest nation in the history of the world. When we stand together and don’t let demagogues divide us up by race, gender or national origin, there is nothing we cannot accomplish. We must go forward, not backward.

    • Serai 1

      When he starts acknowledging that there are more issues that impact people’s lives than his One Pet Thing, I’ll start listening again. Until then, the guy who answered a question about women’s rights with “Is that a real issue?” can go fuck himself, thank you very much.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        That’s my big problem with Bernie- his tunnel vision. Yes, millions voted a protest to the economic, political and media status quo- if you ignore the typically high rate of reelection of incumbents. And yes, millions are tired of the economic inequality- though that doesn’t explain why so many Trump supporters are well above average wage wise and many came from areas that are actually in good shape economically. I get much of his economic based bromide works in terms of liberals, but it doesn’t begin to explain the obvious whitelash from the right, the politics of white resentment and entitlement. And even within the scope of the left, his one size fits all solution for everything doesn’t really help with women’s issues or LGBTQ rights- and economic equality doesn’t do jack shit for the blah doctor dragged from his Mercedes for DWB. I like his ideas, as far they go, but they are no cure all.

        • jowgajen

          I got a little sense that maybe he noticed the unique dangers of Trump the day after the election, but now he seems to be back to tone deaf.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            He’s a bit of a one trick pony that way. I’ll grant you, it’s a great trick and I’m all for him doing it so well, but seriously it’s not the solution for every ill we face and worse yet it spackles over some of the obvious problems such as the rampant racism and bigotry we have in this county. Those people didn’t all vote for Trump because they don’t think Obama or Clinton were tough enough on Wall Street. Hell, most of them will BS themselves and won’t bat an eye when Donnie boy appoints Jamie Dimon to run Treasury.

        • Serai 1

          And his vagueness when talking about anything else bothered me. It’s like he never even thought about foreign policy or the military or any one of a dozen other things. He never did answer the money question, did he? I kept thinking that I wasn’t hearing anything to make me think he’d be good at the job he was applying for. I started out planning to support him through the primaries, because I thought he’d be a good influence, and then go with whoever got the nomination. But then the cracks started to show, and then his ego took over, and then he lost sight of what he’d claimed he was there to do. And yeah, honestly, as a woman I bristled at the tone of some of his attacks on Hillary. That’s when I remembered how fucking impressive I’d always found her, and saw how fucking impressive she was being yet again, and that was that.

      • jowgajen

        Also, join the party he is reforming.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          As I’ve said elsewhere, that’s something all of us who are independents need to take a hard look at- join up for real and fix it or stay above the fray and bitch?

          • jowgajen

            I think you answered your own question.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            It’s a process I’m going through. I sure as hell didn’t want to actually stay in the Democratic party any longer than I had to in order to vote in their primaries every 4-8 years, but they keep fucking up to the point I can’t depend upon them being a viable party without some adult supervision.

          • Gosala

            What’s the alternative? No snark. Honest question.

        • Gosala

          I’ve been a Democrat my entire life. Bernie is an interloper, a carpet bagger, really. He’s spent his entire political life being too good to get dirty. He has no appreciation for the complexities that have led the party to the bad place it now inhabits. His solutions are simplistic and ahistorical. Sorry, no, he doesn’t get to “reform” anything

        • Serai 1

          Yeah, that would help.

    • Gosala

      OK, I’m pretty drink right now so maybe I’m wrong, but Bernie missed tbe point again.

      Trump didn’t win because people are upset at Wall Street. Trunk won because in the perverted American tradition he duped people into taking out their frustrations on people even more at risk than themselves.

      That and a healthy dose of misogyny.

      • Bec Jenn

        Yeah I’d agree. I also got a lot of isolationism/xenophobia as well in that word salad. I think I play to many simulation type games, where trade and mixing with neighbours is good, it keeps your state happy and prosperous. He misses this point every time.

        • Gosala

          Yes. That too. Thank you.

      • Apple Scruff

        Yes. This is what pissed me off so much during the past 18 months, whenever this was brought up on the news. People claim it’s about the economy, but it really is about fear of The Other.

    • Jamoche

      That wasn’t a protest. That was people voting R because they always vote R, no matter how deplorable the R might be. That stat about how a big chunk of his base are making $70K? Those aren’t the ones worrying about childcare or any other social safety net benefit – they’re pissed off that other people might get it.

      • I’d do a whole lot of things to be able to make 70k a year. I wouldn’t vote for a fucking fascist, though.

  • Serai 1

    The absolute best piece of anti-war writing I’ve ever read:

    The War Prayer – Mark Twain

    That is sacred, to me.

  • btwbfdimho

    Fragment of what Williams James read in Boston,1897, during the dedication of a monument to Robert G. Shaw, who died in Ft. Wagner during the Civil War.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8b2e52aa306f5fd52c681d7df22922ed8dfce7bd1c75c3426a112213b7444266.png

  • WomanInAMood

    In honor of Armistace Day.

    https://youtu.be/_K1BdDVvV9Q

  • Vecchiojohn

    Let’s keep keep the bags over our heads now that we’ve signed the Electoral College petition.

    • Gosala

      That is how bad it is. I didn’t sign because they want my name, phone number and address. Like I’m going to dox myself in this environment.

      • Vecchiojohn

        Well, you never can be too paranoid, but I assume I’m either about to be on the list or they’ll decide I’m just some harmless old fuck not worth a bullet.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          I’m a harmless old fuck not worth a bullet. I’ll keep you posted if they come after me first, though.

        • Jamoche

          I’ve been doxxed by the Scientologists – I need something new to hang up next to my SP2 award.

          • Vecchiojohn

            Yikes!

          • ThePuckStopsHere

            Fuck ’em. I signed. F-U-C-K. Fuck them all. But six. 6? Yeah, to act as my pallbearers.

          • Jamoche

            Not that bad, really – the net was younger then and less scary. I really didn’t care whether my AOL name was connected to my real name, but it was a badge of honor that I’d annoyed them enough to make them go to the trouble.

          • Tacoclamgenda

            Wow! And you lived to tell the tail.

          • Jamoche

            They had bigger targets than Usenetters who interfered with their spam attacks (and they’re mostly only fatal to their own) – http://www.xenu.net/archive/banners/OC-medal.html lists the SP levels, and these are all things that have happened.

  • Gosala

    There are many fine postings here about Armistice Day. For me, this is the one

    Dulce et decorum est

    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/46560

    • Even just reading it, I think you can “hear” the last two lines being spat out with vitriolic contempt and rage.

      • Gosala

        Yes, exactly. That’s why is such a a great antiwar piece

  • TJ Barke
    • Wild Cat

      And let’s all fondle Rothbardian/Randian/Raimondoian pseudo-hero Randolph Borne. Like they really give a fuck.
      I’m all for sending our fascist fellow citizens all over the globe to get their nads blown to smithereens.

      • TJ Barke

        Except it’s more likely they’ll just be responsible for the deaths of civilians…

        • Wild Cat

          We’ve been torturing the world for eons. Why stop now?

  • Shan

    I hate that I can’t keep up with all the posts because OMG REAL LIFE

    *picks at posts down thread*

    • Vecchiojohn

      Real life sucks. I think that’s what Wordsworth was trying to say.

      https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/45564

      • Gosala

        If getting and spending are real life, I agree with you.

        But I think what he is lamenting is that our obsession with living in the artificial constructs of the economy and society cuts us off from the elemental energy of nature.

        • Vecchiojohn

          A+.

          • Gosala

            *blushes*

  • Nounverb911

    Who knew Prince Chuckles actually had a sense of humour.

    https://twitter.com/Charles_HRH/status/796328040762482688

    • Jennifer R

      I would think that charlie would have a verified account.

      • Jamoche

        He does – it’s @ClarenceHouse

        • Who is Clarence? And does he know Prince Charles is in his house? It is SO UNSEEMLY when Royalty goes squatting. . .

          • Jamoche

            No, no, with royalty it’s not squatting, because they own everything – you should be honored if the king shows up and eats you out of house and home for a month!

  • jodyleek

    I have a pristine signed copy of Man Without a Country of which I’ve never cracked the spine. I have a digital copy and I think at this place, during this time, it must be re-read.

  • Jonny On Maui
    • Stalking the elusive director’s chair, tonight on Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom.

    • WomanInAMood

      How are the beasties doing in the new digs?

      • Jonny On Maui

        The beasts are getting used to the new digs. Elf managed to get stuck behind the dryer. 4:20 celebration is in full swing, Salute!

        • WomanInAMood

          And Cheers! To your new Home! *lifts glass to the west*

  • La Resistance O’hontas

    Signing off the the night. Gonna listen to early Ani Defranco and make chili. THANK YOU ALL for keeping me sane :-)

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      I got to see Ani DiFranco a few times before she was…well, Ani DiFranco. Still a teenager, I think, doing her little DIY tours wherever she could get a gig. She blew me away….she had more personality and charisma than everybody in the room combined.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        did you see her Rialto show?

    • Me not sure

      Chili is truly the eighth deadly sin.

      • Foreign Agitator Ron

        Depends on which peppers you use.

        • La Resistance O’hontas

          AOT,K. It’s the weekend, so there’s time ;-)

  • Shan

    Went to sane part, thanks Wonkers. I’m gonna go watch Luke Cage now if I can manage it on Netflix. Because I need a break like everyone else I can think of who’s prolly doing it loads of other ways.

    • Me not sure

      I used to own the comic with the very first appearance of Luke Cage and had to sell it, along with my whole comics collection, when my first wife charged up the credit cards and walked out on me. I don’t miss that woman, but boy, do I miss those comics.

      • Shan

        Damn. Exes and the money are the suck. I still have issues with mine. It’s awful not being the asshole, isn’t it?

        • Me not sure

          I did pay off the cards and had enough money left over to buy an old MG Midget, thus not all was bad. Also as a result of the divorce I found the love of my life, so there’s that.

          • Jeffocaster in the desert

            Me, too! (love of my life that is) And I had an MG Midget. Worse car EVER!!!!!! Fun to drive for the 10 minutes a month it would run.

          • Me not sure

            Exactly. Every Saturday morning was spent preparing it for its weekend of fun. It was a regular part of my weekly routine.

        • La Resistance O’hontas

          I turned down the money, and only regret losing the ’67 microbus…I hope someone is taking care of Shelly (that’s her name ).

    • WomanInAMood

      Have a pleasant break, Shan

  • BadKitty904

    Kurt Vonnegut waged a lifelong war against the semicolon, which he described as “transvestite hermaphrodites representing absolutely nothing. All they do is show
    you’ve been to college.

    Just thought I’d throw that out there…

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Oxford comma or GTFO!

      • WomanInAMood

        That’s rediculous, absurd, and pointless.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          not to the ox…

          • Vecchiojohn

            Depends on whose comma is being gored.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            probably Tipper’s

          • Jennifer R

            Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo

        • Gosala

          ISWYDT

          • WomanInAMood

            ;)

      • BadKitty904

        The OCLF (Oxford Comma Liberation Front) will be in contact with you shortly. Act casual, you may be under surveillance.

    • Shan

      I loved him but fuck that on behalf of all my trans-everything friends. Okay, I know he wasn’t of an age to understand any of it but still.

      Ugh.

      OMGF OXFORD COMMA FINE BUT THAT’S ALL YOU GET

      • BadKitty904

        Yes. Yes, I was just going to say that…

        *backs slowly away*

      • HogeyeGrex

        Did someone say “Oxford comma?”
        http://i.imgur.com/fycHx.jpg

        • Shan

          Where is the bad again?

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      I love the semicolon but fuck it: I’m with him!

    • Msgr_Moment

      Wait. I’m not supposed to eat grandma?

    • Well, even the greats are wrong about some things.

      • BadKitty904

        True. For example, Melville’s original draft of Moby Dick opens with, “Call me Betty Sue.

  • Since we’re all* doxing ourselves with Trump-related petitions, anyway, here’s one to outlaw conversion therapy in Washington, because Mike Pence. Every state needs one of these.

    https://www.change.org/p/jay-inslee-outlaw-conversion-therapy-in-washington-state?recruiter=35000798&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

  • Foreign Agitator Ron

    I have stuffed animals on my bed. They get rather a lot of attention from me, because I hate sleeping alone these days.
    I don’t have model airplanes hanging from my ceiling, but that’s because the ceiling fan would be an issue. (I did used to hang plush bats from the light fixture, before I had a fan.) They go on shelves in the sun room. Sometimes I take them out and play with them. Zoom.
    And I have an inadequate number of Kurt Vonnegut books on my shelves. They are books I read and reread. Because even his most outlandish fictions are true in a way non-fiction could never be. My life would be easier to endure if I had one tenth of Kurt’s hope for humans.
    Hello. Farewell. Hello. Farewell.

    • OrG

      yep,I think I’ve read “God Bless You Mr. Rosewater” at least six times.And it might be time to read it again.

  • Zippy W Pinhead
    • jowgajen

      Beginning to think these assholes actively wanted this shit.

      • Beginning to?
        Can you imagine the ratings of a President Drumpf? lolz

        • HogeyeGrex

          We’re certainly not going to go wanting for disasters they can cover.

  • WomanInAMood

    It’s quiet around here. I’m moving into the anger stage.
    https://youtu.be/IuQxyhx3W60

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      You are a stronger woman than I am. Good for you, and I will join you in the good fight when (if) my strength comes back!

      • WomanInAMood

        You are an inspiration to us all. Thank you for your many hours of work to keep our country decent. At the moment, I am still bursting into tears, and also stamping around the house while muttering ” Fuckfuckfuckfuckittyfuckfulk”.
        And drinking absurd amounts of wine.

        We both will steady out, I hope. And keep on fighting. Because we are good people.

      • MynameisBlarney

        It’ll come back.

    • Gosala

      That is not anger, though it may feel similar in that it is hard and dense and hot.

      It is not anger. It is determination

      And thank you for that song. I’ve long thought, but never said, that what we need is solidarity.

    • Msgr_Moment

      I’m at anger, too. Welcome. I had to console battered souls in class today. This is personal now.

  • What really gets me in all of this, is the fact that is was REALLY SUPER OBVIOUS that Trump either a., COULD not follow up on his campaign promises, or b., WOULD not. And here we are, just days from victory and it is clear he has no interest in the job at all and probably never did.

    This was all absolutely predictable. Everyone who voted for him expecting change? You’re getting the same Republican establishment that has been fucking everybody into the ground for decades, now. Along with a reckless, lying scumbag who thought it might be fun getting elected president.

    Meanwhile, Hillary absolutely would have worked to do everything she said she would. America chose his lies over her truths. And called her the liar in the process.

    Just, fuck everybody so hard in the ear with pointy, rusty votes!

    …Oh, wait. Armistice Day. Scratch the rusty, pointy stuff and, AMERICA! YOU ARE IN TIME OUT! GO TO THE CORNER AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU’VE DONE!

    • Wee Mousie

      Apparently, the only thing Trump is really pushing to do as president is to hold lots of rallies where people can cheer and applaud him. And you know what is the only thing that will get his base out for that, don’t you?

      So, it looks like instead of daily Two Minute Hates, this New Oceania will have Weekly Hours of Hatefulness.

  • So, I feel unparalyzed for the first time since the middle of the night Tuesday night. I got some work done, and even made some money. I bought tacos. I went to the dollar store and bought a pack of safety pins, because I like the idea of a solidarity signal (if you don’t know what I’m talking about, it’s this: http://www.mediaite.com/election-2016/people-are-wearing-safety-pins-to-protest-trump-and-signal-that-theyre-a-safe-space/). I also bought a bag of letter beads, and decorated some of the pins with words like LOVE and ALLY and SAFE. Because why not? I don’t feel better, exactly, but I feel angry and restless and want to do something, even if something is basically limited to making safety pin messages and signing online petitions and writing letters, because it’s better than nothing. And that seems somewhat better than just sitting here crying and feeling shocked and sad and hopeless.

    How is everyone else today?

    • Doing okay – I’m kinda hollowed-out today, but maybe it’s just because trying to be a calming and safe presence for folks who need it puts a strain on the psyche.

    • OrG

      Good on you!

    • Jonny On Maui

      I’m doing much better today.

      • Yay doing better! We will take it! I am watching Lin-Manuel raps with Ellen.

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        Glad to hear it, Jonny.

    • MizzMazz

      I lost my shit today, and called out sick. You can’t go to work with puffy crying for a weekend face. Best friend told me to get off the blogs and the news, and watch some mind rot entertainment. He said, “You like Tank Girl” and I replied because she’s a fighter and spewer of snark. Weird, because I felt stronger yesterday, like we’re going to be all right. One day at a time, I guess.

      • Virtual hugs for you, if you want them.

        • MizzMazz

          Thanks. Accepted. Feeling better now, thanks to everyone here.

  • Oh good! Judging by Twitter, it’s now officially PROGRESSIVES vs. EVUL (No-Doubt-NEO-)LIEBRELS or LEFTISTS vs. SO-CALLED-PUSSY-LIBERALS now. I just hope we can sort out the terminology soon, so I won’t be too confused as I’m being called a collaborator or whatever for not voting for Bernie in the primaries or whatever.

    (However, GO KEITH ELLISON! I think having a black Muslim from Minnesota as new DNC chair is exactly what we should be doing.)

    • WomanInAMood

      Another reason to be very happy that I don’t do the Twitters.

    • Anna Rompage

      Speaking of black muslims running the DNC, they should really try to get Obama…

      • No. Him and Holder need to do that electoral reform work they were talking about, except even moreso.

    • jowgajen

      I’m fine with pussy liberal. This pussy has teeth.

      • Wee Mousie

        Pussy, Pussy burning bright,
        As you mock and as I bite
        Your immoral hand or thigh,
        And lame you in a cemetery.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Jennifer R

      Now I feel bad for primarily knowing them for Three Sheets to the Wind.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Don’t feel bad, that’s a fucking awesome song!

        • Jennifer R

          Many memories of getting drunk off our asses with my friend mary francis irishasshitlastname and belting that out a ton.

  • Anna Rompage

    I love Vonnegut!

    I think we should have a mandatory national holiday, a day for each individual war that we have participated in, where no business is allowed to be open, and see if that makes enough of an impact on both our populations psyche, and financial impact to business to where we think twice about entering another bases war…

    • HazooToo

      Are you suggesting we face even a symbolic consequence of our actions? Why how dare you! We deserve discount merchandise, not painful self-reflection!

    • Wee Mousie

      You know that if you include all the Indian wars of the 1800s and little modern wars like Granda, you might only get in two weeks per year at work. And if you add in the undeclared, secret wars of the CIA, you might have to extend the Gregorian calendar a week or two.

  • Apple Scruff

    For anyone without HBO, Bill Maher is streaming on YouTube for free right now. And he’s got David Axelrod and Eric Holder as two guests.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMJvbP3yzMk

  • IOnlyLikeCats

    Rachel Maddow had someone come on the show to explain what are the signs of oncoming fascism. He said the first thing to look for is anyone who isn’t with him is a traitor.

  • BloviateMe

    Donny got his gun? Not a prayer.

    https://youtu.be/EzgGTTtR0kc

  • WomanInAMood
  • Foreign Agitator Ron

    ‘Kay, time to put the brain away and settle myself down for the night. I’ll be back tomorrow with pics of my new little barn. Keep the faith, babies. Love you all! Even you asshole trolls!

    • WomanInAMood

      Sleep well. And know that we are stronger together, because we have love on our side.

  • BehaveYrself

    Dok, and Rebecca, and all Wonkateers, I thank you. There is nothing like Wonkette and Vonnegut to help me start to feel like we are going to be ok. The ride will be bumpy, and we will get bruised (if we do it right), but we’ll be mostly ok, I think. Am I getting mushy? I’m getting mushy. Tough shit.

  • Serai 1

    Nice bit from Stephen. He is not happy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evVKFFL1iTs

    • HazooToo

      He’s still so great. Goddammit. Stupid sexy kitten.

      • Serai 1

        I wanna try to cut a .gif out of that. It was too cute.

  • boyblue122

    Trump is predictably already bored with the job and doesnt even want to spend much time in the White House

    https://twitter.com/onlxn/status/797274051077021696

    • Yeah, cuz the Secret Service are gonna LOVE that plan

      • boyblue122

        They probably get anxious when the prez has to leave the White House to do a late night show interview every couple months. Now Trump is thinking of commuting almost daily

        • TX Taco Truck Brigade

          “Commuting almost daily”

          To a high rise building full of other unvetted people, surrounded by other high rise buildings full of unknown people, in a city that was the site of 2 major terrorist attacks (targeting a high rise building) and located in one of the busiest airspaces in the country (over the white house is a no-fly zone).

          I wonder when we’ll see the first former secret service person’s book come out.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Returning home to Trump Tower from the White House may not be Mr. Trump’s only embrace of the familiar. His aides say he has also expressed interest in continuing to hold the large rallies that were a staple of his candidacy. He likes the instant gratification and adulation that the cheering crowds provide, and his aides are discussing how they might accommodate his demand.

      Oh, easy. They just fly him around on Air Force One (much bigger than his old plane!) to various places, have a motorcade to a local venue, and let him rant for an hour or so to a crowd of paid admirers. Then maybe some golf, if there’s time.

      • TX Taco Truck Brigade

        If that keeps him from doing anything, I’m all for it.
        As long as attendance isn’t mandatory.

  • WomanInAMood

    https://youtu.be/heIyz6_pqac

    We need to keep in mind that this country has been through bad times before.

    • Vecchiojohn

      If I had a goddamn hammmer ….

      • WomanInAMood

        I’d a hammer in the goddamn morning…

        • I have a laser guided circular saw?

          • WomanInAMood

            All over this land?

          • No, in the garage. But I could bring it along if you want.
            It has a laser. A LASER.

          • Can we attach that laser to a shark?

          • WomanInAMood

            Does it laser out justice?
            Does it laser out freedom?
            Does it laser out love between
            my brothers and my sisters
            all over this land?

          • Kiri the Unicorn

            I have a nail gun. And a compressor with a really long hose.

          • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

            …could it be operated by a left-hander?

    • Gosala

      If I had a hammer, there’d be a lot of brain parts scattered about here and there.

      (Luckily I’ve had anger management training so that won’t actually happen)

      We’ve had bad times before but these bad times are not like those bad times.

      Well, OK, they are a little bit. People will be impoverished. People will get sick. People will die. Just like before.

      And somehow that it has happened before is no comfort.

      But this is also different because >2C, from which there is no coming back. The end of this civilization means there will never be another industrial age.

      We have burnt all the readily available sources.

      From now on it is onward to the Federation of Planets or backward to the neolithic.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Yeah, but not self-imposed before, Fuck.

      • Jonny On Maui

        We elected Reagan as governor of CA then as POTUS. We’ve done it before…

  • So today on the local news, as opposed to the national news which I am avoiding like the plague for some reason, they talked to some people who wandered over to the veteren’s memorial.
    One such people was this very old dude decked out in full Uncle Sam sans beard, with rhinestone flag pin and more wrinkles than an elephant’s trunk. Says old dude, who was indeed an actual vet “People forget, this day is for the ones who did not make it. Think of that when you get your mattress today.”
    It is my theory that one does not grow out of Vonnegut. One forgets him for a time but then one comes back to him as you learn that all the shit that gets shoved in your head when you “grow up” is bunk.

  • Vecchiojohn

    GORE VIDAL! thou shouldst be living at this hour:
    America hath need of thee: she is a fen
    Of stagnant waters

  • Spurning Beer

    The Missus just told me that someone in her discussion group said that for Christmas, family members who voted for Trump will be getting donations to Planned Parenthood or the ACLU made in their name.

    I had a different thought. Why not make donations of $0.25 to the KKK or the American Nazi Party in their name? (It’s less than the postage or processing costs they’ll incur, so I wouldn’t feel guilty for giving money to them.) They’ll get embarrassing mailings forever, and the NSA will know they’re on the mailing lists.

    I feel bad about how much I like the idea.

    • It is perversely delightful XD only you’d have to give those fuckers money.

      • Spurning Beer

        Well, I figure contributing a quarter would cause them to spend a dollar or more, so….

        • HogeyeGrex

          Like the 13 cent check Trump bothered to cash?

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      Planned Parenthood and ACLU is more important than revenge right now.

      • Spurning Beer

        I’ll make those contributions under my own name.

        • IOnlyLikeCats

          Then carry on.

    • HogeyeGrex
      • TX Taco Truck Brigade

        I’m watching the election episode of Futurama…the first 5 minutes are incredibly relevant…especially considering how old this episode is.

        • TX Taco Truck Brigade

          The following episode too:
          “I’m sure glad global warming never happened.”
          “It did but nuclear winter canceled it out.”

          Yep, that’s Trump’s solution to the problem.

  • Shan

    OT: Watching Luke Cage finally because I needed something else to do. I love you all I really do but I seriously needed to go do something else for a while.

    See you lovelies later.

    • Let me know how it is. I loved Jessica Jones, but can’t get into Daredevil.

      • IOnlyLikeCats

        It is amazing. They make it a point to show their female characters truly empowered and there is occasional jokes.

      • Shan

        Do it. They are different. I loved them both for different reasons. Jessica Jones hit all the happy ovaries places for me, Daredevil was like “Oooh, if I had testosterone this is JUST how I would use it all!” Or something like that.

        I’ve been drinking so YMMV and all that.

        :)

  • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

    Alright , Bitches. Anna’s back.

    We lost a battle, not the fucking war. It’s time to Buck Up, Buttercup. I will be *damned* if I bow to Traitors and Haters.

    Let’s see some fire. It’s a Good Day to Die, but the Day ain’t overs yet.

    • Woohoo! The ass kicking starts now!

    • Shan

      ANNA!!!!

      SQUEEE!!!!

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

        ~hugs~ Thanx, Doll

        • Shan

          Glad to see you here!

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            Glad to be back, Thank you for checking on me. You’ll never know how much it means. ~hugs~

          • Shan

            We love you! Stay here!!

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            I love you too. :) I’ll try.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Anna! Good to see you!

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

        ~hugs~ How’s my favorite Unicorn?

        • Kiri the Unicorn

          I’m okay, but I need to figure out what I can do locally. My immediate concern is for the folks at the mosque in Corvallis.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            That’s a tough one. I’m trying to think of some sort of way to show solidarity, something that would let them know they aren’t alone.

    • WomanInAMood

      So happy to see you!

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

        Thanx, Darlin’ Spotts1701 told me that you all were concerned. It means a lot. :)

        I needed to gt my head on straight. Some things happened today to remind me that I’m a Hawt Lady, no matte what haters and assholes Left & Right think.

        • They can’t win and they know it. Small battles only. We have already wonned all the things and history will point to us as examples of how to be.
          *all full of inspirational stuffies today. IS FUN*

        • WomanInAMood

          You are not only a hawt lady, you are a charming and strong human being.

    • YAY ANNA!!!!!!
      And yes! Do we curl up and hide or do we continue on? Two choices only. Shit or get offa da pot.

    • Pinkham’s Law

      Good day to die perhaps, but not necessarily for us. “War isn’t about dying gloriously for your country. It’s about making the other bastard die gloriously for his.” Obligatory “with votes.”

      We were wondering where you were. Glad to see you back!

    • MizzMazz

      All of a sudden, I feel much better.

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

        ~hugs~

        Thanx, Sweetie. It’s good to be back. I’ve been showing the colors, though. The way people stare, you’d think they never saw a shopper in a black moto jacket, booty shorts, heels, and Pride jewelry before.

        • MizzMazz

          What’s wrong with people? You see someone like that, and you know you want to have a coffee or drinks with that person, right? Maybe that’s just me.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            XD Anytime, Doll.

            I think the haters are actually scared. The neighbors are like church mice around me, and shoppers are looking mostly at their shoes.

          • OrG

            Scared….OOOR maybe Jealous? HA!

          • Def Jelly.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            XD That’s probs it. They know Libs and Queers get moar sexxx, betters sexxx, and moar fun in a year than haters and losers *evers* get.

          • Hard to enjoy sex when you loathe yourself and secretly are sure your partner is thinkin bout something else

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            XD

            I’m back on OKC as well. You wouldn’t believe all the chicks and dudes that say “If you voted for Trump, *don’t* message me!”

            It’s great.

          • SWEET. :huggles:

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            ~huggs~

            I met someone today, she is amazing. Her first message was “How hot you are bitch”❤️❤️

            XD If she wasn’t in Cali, I wouldn’t be back on Wonkette til tomorrow, let me tell you. XD

          • Smart lady that one :* Is there a budding anything there or just hey chill, cool hang out bud?

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            Def. friends already. If we evers run into each other, friends-with-benefits. XD
            She reminded me that no matter how straight asshole men say, I’m a fucking Goddess in the Queer world. XD

          • You’re a goddess in the straight world too, straight assholes are just hella jealous. You know that.
            You represent to them what they desire most for themselves- namely, to live outside of what society forces upon them- and they are not free to be who they want to be. Mostly because they are cowards and fettered by their own fears. So they resent that you are able to.
            Pity them, Ms. Anna, for they are to be pitied.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            ~hugs~ Thanx Jen. Onion ninjas! XD

          • They are SNEAKY. :snuggles:

          • MizzMazz

            Dipshits. They don’t know what’s good for them. They only scare me when they are in a gang.

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

        XD

    • Jonny On Maui

      Sister! Nice to see ya!

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

        Brother! Thank you ~hugs~

      • Msgr_Moment

        Pass the woman her flamethrower. Gonna need the extras on the front line.

  • Why doesn’t Joe Manchin just switch parties and get it over with?
    https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/797201852391653376

    • OrG

      Is this a textbook definition of DINO,or what?Fuck you,Joe Manchin!

      • He’s a Republican who switched over for optics reasons. No lie. Now WVA can go look, we have a democrat, blackities, in your gerry mandered district, vote for him!

    • Huh. Joe was sure silent about all those Republicans vowing to never work with Hillary EVER.

      • HogeyeGrex

        Did he offer up a strong opinion about how divisive it is to unilaterally decide, without precedent, that a sitting President may not nominate a Supreme Court Justice during his last year in office?

        Thought not.

      • Shoto

        Same as for Bamz. The GOP brass huddled right after he was elected to plot how they were going to destroy his presidency.

        • Hell, they announced before he was inaugurated how they fully planned to make him a one term president. With their mouths they said that.
          Why do we always have to go high? Fuck that noise and go Harry go, with your bad self.

          • TX Taco Truck Brigade

            Wanna really hate somebody:

            (BILL) O’REILLY: The main beef seems to be that left wing protesters don’t respect an honest election. By the way, that’s a hallmark around the world. Every communist and socialist takeover from Cuba to Venezuela to Soviet Russia back in the early 20th Century featured violence and assaults on freedom. Here in the U.S.A., we honor protests, but increasingly we are seeing people who want our system destroyed.
            Read more at http://www.newshounds.us/what_s_behind_o_reilly_s_fearmongering_civil_war_in_america_111116#vqR4y4Q4WFm2EzOr.99

          • …DA FUQ????
            What about how all the patriots were going to arm themselves if Hillary won? What about that, Bill? HUH?

          • TX Taco Truck Brigade

            I know, I know…every part of that is total hypocriticial bullshit.

            Now that the R’s have ALL the branches of government, they’re moving the goal posts.

          • Time to find ALL the Bill-o Stuff about second amendment solutions and how Obama is THE WORST and fling them at him non stop forever.

            Also, would someone kindly like to remind Billy Butthead that the commie revolution in Russia was not an attack on freedumbs but an overturning of a brutal monarchy? (Not that Nich was especially brutal, but he did not care enough to stop those around him who were).

          • TX Taco Truck Brigade

            Thank you for sharing my rage. I didn’t want to bring down the thread, but that’s some rage inducing bullshit.

          • It is pretty rage inducing, but thankfully, Billo himself has provided us with OOODDDLES of throw backs against that shit ^.^
            The dumb mother fucker lolz.
            I should sign up for a tweeter and make it my mission to remind these jokers of everything they said about Obama.

          • TX Taco Truck Brigade

            You’d never run of material…I figure there’s enough for at least 4 times a day, every day, for the 8 years he was in office.

          • Right. The candidate who got the most votes lost and there’s pretty good evidence of targeted suppression in key states as well as a Republican hack putting him thumb on the scales. But since your guy won, it’s an “honest” election.

          • TX Taco Truck Brigade

            Even moreover, suddenly dissension is divisive. So when a black dude was president, everything he did was divisicive and all the threats, lies, and bashing were patriotic. Now that Trump has one, the people who want to ruin our lives and the lives of our friends suddenly want to hold hands and skip through the tulips? (And any dissension is treason). Sigh. I’m going to stop…everybody seemed in a good mood and people are finally picking up. I’m gunna go play borderlands.

          • Nope, get mad, you, but keep your humor too, also.
            RAGE!!!!! And make jokes.
            For the one thing these fuckers fear the most is being laughed at.

          • phoenix00
    • Shoto

      What an asshole…

    • Panika MCD

      well, I guess we know someone is not going to be Senate Minority Leader.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    “Torture and Blubber”

    Napalm and Silly Putty…

  • Shan

    Luke Cage: Mmm yeah….

    • TJ Barke

      Hey, that creates an unrealistic standard of masculinity!

      • Patrick Stewart:
        mmmmmmm yeah…..

        • MizzMazz

          Aiden Turner, mmmmmyeah

        • TJ Barke

          Not all bald men can be that glorious…

          • See above XD Not the bald so much, for I enjoy hairy men also, and in fact mine own hubby has a pony tail.
            Edit: lolz, just realized, hubby’s hair is longer than mine :D

          • Admittedly, it is difficult to top P. Stew’s gloriousness. My local movie theatre is playing a HD recording of No Man’s Land next month ….totally going

        • Shan

          Sam Elliott. He’s 70ish. Happy?

          • Patrick Stewart is like 90. Would still tap that.
            Tis not the bald or the age, pretty sure it is the accent and the steely eyed I so am master of my own domain and still have a sense of humor thing that gets me goin.

          • Shan

            Good bejeebus lawdy, the men here are written up to the skies.

          • It is hard to fangirl out otherwise XD
            Course…he is no JT…..
            https://queerty-prodweb.s3.amazonaws.com/wp/docs/2016/02/justintrudeautorontopride.jpg

          • Shan

            Naw he’s nice and all that but gimme a funny derpatoid dude who makes me giggle and I’m all there 24/7.

          • I bet JT could make you giggle. He is very derpy sometimes!
            http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/29/23/35CAACD600000578-0-image-a-4_1467237846116.jpg

          • HazooToo

            Where the fuck did Canada make him? It has been YEARS since I had anything approaching a crush on a guy. Trudeau looks like the human form of hot fudge on a pancake. Fucking delicious.

          • We elected his super smart, bad ass dad Prime Minister a couple of times and had Pierre marry a model

          • HazooToo

            You did good, Picky. You did SO good.

          • That is sadly those who came before. I was not born or near old enough to vote when that happened

          • HazooToo

            But I can’t shower gratitude and affection on them, because they’re not here, so you’re up, Kiddo!

        • Have i mentioned the time i saw him play Prince Humperdink?

        • Jamoche

          Callum Keith Rennie. due South yumminess. The only reason I kept watching BSG after it stopped making sense.

      • Bradley Whitford….mmmmmmm….

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

        Sweetie, don’t fret. You would *not* believe some of the losers I’ve had hit on me on OKC lately. XD

        You are Adonis compared to most of them.

        • TJ there is a handsome dude and I keep telling him that but he does not listen to me, being an old lady mom type probably.
          Huff.

          • Hey…i offered to marry him back when it was still a joke that Donnie was running

          • Oh no, that bit is still a joke. It is only the punchline that has changed ^.^

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            TJ just needs to smile. :) I’ll find a way yet. :D

          • Shan

            TJ is cute but doesn’t know it yet.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            We’ll convince him. I used to be so lonely, and alone.

            Now that I like myself, I get *lots* of attention. :D

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer
  • HogeyeGrex
    • MizzMazz

      That’s fukken hilarious.

    • Jennifer R

      They started again a few years ago.

  • boyblue122

    I like the blue hats that Bill Maher had on his show that said “We’re still here” to counter the Drumpf hats

  • Joyous useless knowledge!

    https://youtu.be/Oqf7eJPILHs

  • cousin itt

    Me and Mrs. itt got away tonight for some much-needed therapy. The Denver Film Festival is on and we went to see The Queen of Ireland. This will lift your spirits. Panti Bliss is gorgeous and awesome and brave.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db2857BR7GM

    • MizzMazz

      Fantastic. I need to see this.

    • smr06va

      Thanks for this — my family roots on dads’s side also trace back to County Mayo — where we were, apparently, horse thieves a couple of centuries ago…..lol…

  • MynameisBlarney
    • MizzMazz

      Fuck Yeah! Stopped crying, and I have the Wonkette peeps to thank for that.

      ETA: Old Punks still have some Energy in them.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4TpfB0feZg

    • On my playlist with a bunch of Hamilton and Bowie’s Afraid of Americans and Killing in the Name

    • OrG

      Always had a man-crush for Paul Simonen.

  • WomanInAMood

    O/T I’m somewhat tipsy, an emotional wreck, and watching “Pride”. This movie is giving me life right now. As are all of you. Because this is the best nasty, vile snark mob. Thank you all.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Rightbackatcha!

    • data_ninja

      I’m tipsy too! If we lean on each other, we might be able to stand up!

      (So many metaphors)

    • OrG

      How in the Hell is being tipsy ever O/T around here?

      • She is wearing pants, probably.

        • Jennifer R

          I barely remember to put clothes on outside, who puts them on to go online.

          • Well, I do have boys….
            But in keeping with the traditions of this place I make sure to wear my flannel night dress when I wonk, and try not to Wonk too much at work when I must either wear pants or shave.

        • WomanInAMood

          That is unkind, nay, slander.

        • Shan

          Pants are bad;

          • Even sweatpants? Otherwise, the bits get cold.

          • Shan

            Yoga pants. Get lots of them.

          • Sister Artemis

            I don’t even own any. Really.
            But if I did, I certainly wouldn’t wear them here!

    • HazooToo

      It’s okay to stop thinking about it, for hours at a time. That is fucking perfectly allowed and good for you. Do that. Do something completely distracting and lose yourself in it for about half a day. It helps kind of kickstart you out of the Depression stage. Luckily, thanks to Wonkette, I have learned that you don’t have to accept shit, and the final stage is optional. You can just go right back to Anger again, and let it drive you to make things better! But never feel guilty about chilling out for a while, because I do sometimes, and it really doesn’t make sense, does it?

  • MynameisBlarney
  • data_ninja

    Okay, for all of you (like myself) that need to make sense of things, here are the BBC HHGTTG on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTNuldPhP20&list=PLOQdMZ_2yFjgmb-KvzsrjZqJMRQqxGoxu

    • data_ninja

      it’s gonna be HHGTTG quotes all night:

      “There is a theory which states that if ever
      anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it
      will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre
      and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.”

      • Jennifer R

        Never before has the last message from our creator ever applied more.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • MizzMazz

      Can we be friends? You like good music, and I read your posts in Braak’s voice.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Of course.

  • Shan

    Bollix. I lost all my notifications.

    • The best part of Wonkette tho, is that if you wait long enough, someone else will say what was said earlier and then we get to start it all again ^.^

      • That may be the alcohol amnesia

        • I can drink to that!

          • TX Taco Truck Brigade

            Drink to what?
            ;)

        • data_ninja

          I prefer David Atell’s ‘Time Traveling’.

      • data_ninja

        The best part of Wonkette tho, is that if you wait long enough, someone
        else will say what was said earlier and then we get to start it all
        again ^.^

        • Shan

          Wait, what?

          *scratches eyes*

          Do I know you?

          YOU ARE MY BEST FRIEND EVER WHERE YOU BEEN I LOVE YOU!!!!

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    What was it I said a couple days ago? Oh, yeah: “Fuck you, James Comey”

    GMTA…

  • MynameisBlarney
    • MizzMazz

      Heh, I said Jello needs to write a new version of this, or maybe we can all do it together.

      • OrG

        It almost writes itself.

        • MizzMazz

          Indeed. I have my guitar at the ready, and anyone who wants to play. Plenty of equipment save a drum kit. Finding drummers have always been the hardest.

    • OrG

      A lot of DK’s still seems relevant to me.Too bad Jello and boys the can’t bury the hatchet.

  • Panika MCD
  • bookish

    Heyyy, I see Anna, I see Jonny, I see the regulars with new monikers and their addytudes on…sweet. We must be better.

  • Panika MCD

    how am I the only one posting Leonard Cohen tonight? (unless I missed you guys posting them all afternoon.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEVow6kr5nI

    • Did mostly this afternoon and last eve :huggles: though more is AWESOME so keep it going!
      Also, how do, Panika!

      • Panika MCD

        pretty uuuuugh still. had an 11 hour Sunset hearing yesterday.

        • I keep vacillating between uugggh….. and GGGRRAAAHHHHH!!!! So I am hoping eventually I settle into Grrrrrrrrrr because that is about right.
          11 hour? WTF. Did they decide they are gonna keep the sunset then?

          • Panika MCD

            it’s more like a death panel for state agencies. they decided that we’re going to keep calling the commission that deals with oil and gas the “Railroad Commission” because we only have a commissioner for that on our ballot every 2 years so it’s not like it’s important. it also looks like in December they will be deciding that everyone at the Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners can go fuck right off because they fucking can.

    • bookish

      We’ve been remembering him off and on. More is always better.

    • Shan

      I love this song. It meant a thing to me to where I couldn’t listen to it for a while, but now I like it again. So, thanks!

    • Shan

      I would like to learn to dance like that. I have a friend who can, but he lives in Florida so that’s not very practical.

  • IOnlyLikeCats

    I ranted to my roommate (who believes this is or should be a theocracy) a lot of things just now but my favorite was “If you can’t abide by the Constitution, America’s founding document, you’re not very American, are you? … If you want to live in a theocracy, there are plenty to move to!”

    • Jeffocaster in the desert

      Saudi Arabia, Israel, Vatican City, Russia (Putin Savior worship)

      • IOnlyLikeCats

        For some reason it doesn’t occur to her that just because the Founders were mostly Christian doesn’t mean they wanted to cram it down everyone else’s throats.

        • And if most of them met the “Christians” that seem to be running things, they’d probably call them Puritans or something…

        • HazooToo

          Weren’t some of the big ones actually Deists? I don’t know how to spell it and can’t be bothered to use the Google, but they were a lot less preachey than your roommate seems to think.

          • They were none of them preachy. They were free masons for cryin out loud, by and large XD

          • HazooToo

            Fucking yes!!!

          • Jennifer R

            Washington was repeatedly admonished by the preacher at Martha’s church for falling asleep during sermons.

          • Religion was once considered womanly. No shit chet. Hence the old adage to agree with the mom on religion and the dad on politics.

          • Jennifer R

            And Deists expressly do not consider themselves Christian, or any other organized religion.

          • HazooToo

            THAT! I did spell it right? Ha! If I am thinking of the right general time, transcendentalism was either taking off, or not far away, as well. Another “religion” that was incredibly subjective and not at all organized or Christian.

        • I am very sure that the Founders were not all Christian fundies. I mean, I do not recall Ben Franklin, for example, being a regular Churchy church goer and Jefferson said plenty of how the laws of men were for men and by men.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            Thomas Paine was Atheist. That’s why there is no Paine Memorial.

          • Jennifer R

            Franklin was factually a kinky swinger two centuries before it was cool. He requested the post in France because he liked to have sex with older French women.

          • HazooToo

            I am learning so much fun stuff tonight, I love you. And the other Jen, too. ALL the Jens.

    • OrG

      You need a new roommate.

      • IOnlyLikeCats

        Pray that I get an acceptance letter to Windsor.

        • OrG

          I don’t really pray,but I WILL think good thoughts for you.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      The Enlightenment ain’t what it used to be.

    • TX Taco Truck Brigade

      How does you roomie feel about Saudi Arabia and Iran? Cause you just swap out the religion and there ya go!

      • DoILookAmused2u ?

        Actually, Germany or England will do.

        They are secular, but no separation.

        • TX Taco Truck Brigade

          Well, Ireland too, where blasphemy is illegal.

          • DoILookAmused2u ?

            In Germany they tithe right out of your paycheck, so Your boss knows what religion and sect you belong to.

          • TX Taco Truck Brigade

            Seriously? I never knew that.

    • Jennifer R

      Most of the major founding fathers were actually Deists, which is expressly not christian, nor organized. Thomas Jefferson took a bible and cut out all the junk (funny enough all the slave and god stuff), then said what was left was maybe worth reading.

  • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer
    • MynameisBlarney

      I was worried about you. Glad you’re back.

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

        Thanx Babe. I needed to get the cranium on straight. I missed you, all of you.

        ~hugs~

        • MynameisBlarney

          *HUGE HUGZ*

        • Shan

          Listen to this and put on something really pretty:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQF0uo9uUM

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            Lovely! It would be amazing to dance with a partner to this. :)

          • Shan

            You’re right! And I would try even though I can’t dance.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            With this, just take their hands, rest your head against their shoulder, and let them lead. :)

          • Shan

            Yes, that. I have lipstick an tights.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            :) I’d love to learn ballroom and waltz and all that, though.

          • Shan

            My BFF does all that. I’d love to as well.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            Classes would be fun, I’d think. :) I wouldn’t car if my partner were boy or girl. :)

    • data_ninja

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miau836Bnfo
      Everytime somebody rocks a rainbow
      Like R2 or lucky charms
      They gotta get all aggro back in the backroom
      Make sure nobody doin any harm

      Bunch of baloney just a bunch of ponies
      Save that horseshit for your barn
      The only danger in this manger
      Is finding friendship on the farm

    • Sister Artemis

      Glad to see you here, Anna – I had to take a break myself, glad I could afford it (my boss and bestest buddy and I took the day together).

      I want to express appreciation for getting a message to us last night that you were okay, just needed to get away from hurtful comments (and maybe the overstimulation of it all?). It’s one of the hardest things about meeting people on these kinds of boards, and having few option to check in with people in RL.

      Hang in there girl – I’m feeling grateful also for Hillary’s campaign motto, “Stronger Together,” because more than ever, I feel that’s what we need to do.

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

        ~hugs~ Thank *you*, Artemis. Spotts and Shan let me know everyone was concerned, it means a great deal to me.

        I just had to get my cranium on straight, start feeling like a woman again. :)

        • Sister Artemis

          A….. Nasty Woman? :)

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            Indeed! XD

  • MynameisBlarney
  • WomanInAMood

    Have I mentioned box o’ wine Recently?

    https://youtu.be/pEyj5f5Sn0s

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Shan

    Here’s another version of the Leonard Cohen song, Dance Me to the End of Love.

    It’s nice

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqpOFQvMM1A

  • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zla_v-7uEXs&list=PLgA_QpnjZQywhhsQy5fWuWLjDw1jBmMUj&index=3

    chorus: You may talk about your Guards boys Your Lancers and
    Hussars boys Your Fusiliers and Royal Artillery -without the guns!
    The girls we drive them crazy, the foe we beat them aisy The
    Rangers from old Connaught- yaarrrgh- the land across the sea!

  • Jamoche

    Oh for fuck’s sake: Peter Thiel will join the Trump transition team
    Speaking of people universally despised by their employees…

  • MynameisBlarney

    Sorry. I just fucking love this shit!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upv7x7trMZI

  • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer
  • cousin itt
    • TX Taco Truck Brigade
    • Jamoche

      <- letting the avatar do the commenting

      • cousin itt

        I was hoping you were around tonight :)

        btw, in 1981 I made my own pilgrimage to The (real) Village in Wales. It was the first place I went in my college tour of Europe.

        • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

          Have you seen or read “A Bridge to Far”, about Operation Market-Garden?

          There is a young intel officer that argued strongly that the Airborne were going to drop into a Hornet’s nest. When he argued *too* strongly, they sent him to the Village for a rest.

          Kid was right, though. Supposedly “The Prisoner” drew some inspiration from that.

          • cousin itt

            No, I haven’t. And I don’t know why, Prisoner geek that I am. Thanks!

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            No probs, Darlin’. :)

        • Jamoche

          Cool! When I went to the 95 Worldcon in Glasgow there was a group trip available but I couldn’t make it. I did see a display of the HHGttG costumes, keeping with today’s theme :)

    • Panika MCD
    • BadKitty904
    • doktorzoom

      I’d cheerfully add “Be seeing you,” but coming from the moderator, that might sound like a threat, which it decidedly is not.

      Also: Final episode still too freaky to make any sense of.

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

        “I’m your Baby, Daddy.”

      • cousin itt

        Spoiler alert, but you probably figured this out for yourself:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiIUnCMpGbM

        When asked by this CBC interviewer for McGoohan’s final summation, McG said, “Be seeing you.”

  • data_ninja

    “Space,” it says, “is big. Really big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to space.” –HHGTTG

    • I am right now going to go buy me a copy of them all. I had one once, leather bound, gilded edges, big don’t panic on it. Lent it to my brother and never saw it again.
      Need a new one!

      • Oo….there is a new ed. That has a shiny whale in the cover.

        I bought it over the summer

        • Jamoche

          “Oh no, not again.”

          • data_ninja

            Bowl of Petunias libel!

          • Jamoche

            Nah, the Petunias are speaking for all of us :)

        • ok bought XD Got the leather copy from 91 because a: I could even though a tinge pricey right now and the copy I am replacing was that one
          b: I have the 5th book and do not care for it so just want the first 4 and the novella and
          c: yes, through the Wonkette link XD ALL my little xmas shopping this year will be through the Wonkette link

  • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer
  • data_ninja

    “It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.” –HHGTTG

    (This applies to commenters on Wonkette, in which comments are not allowed. Since comments allowed equals zero, then the number of commenters divided by the number of comments allowed equals Cubs Win the World Series)

    • That really shoulda been our first warning. Very sure it was a seal or something.

    • Not to impugn Douglas Adams, but that’s not how infinities work. An infinite universe would still have an infinite number of inhabited worlds; the latter would just be a smaller infinity than the former.

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      Pirates fan here, technically a rival of the Cubs but who gives a fuck at this point, checkling in to cake in. Go blue states (I hate to say this but right now that includes the fucking Ravens, how could you do this to me Steelers Nation!) FFS!

      • Bad batch of Iron City beer?

        • Fuck Yuengling forever. That is all.

          • Resistance Fighter Callyson

            Fuck you my home city deserves better, the end.

          • Yang’s outside in the fucking white tucky bit. They only pretend they are from Pittsburgh to seem cool

      • data_ninja

        Your Steelers whomped my Browns, which are headed for a perfect season. I’m pretty sure that a Junior Varsity team could give them the challenge of a lifetime right now.

        Also, Ravens? Aka what-the-browns-should-have-been-fuck-you-art-modell?

        • Resistance Fighter Callyson

          And fuck you Ben Rothlisburgher. Without you my Steelers would have meant something FFS!

      • Cally!
        Pittsburgh did NOT vote for the orange twat! It went for Hillary!
        It was Pennsyltucky what did it.
        Pittsburgh is still a beautiful thing, like Philly ^.^

        • Resistance Fighter Callyson

          You are fight, so I can still say go Steelers FFS!

          • YES!!!!!!!!
            It is Erie of all fucking places that fucked up this time. Fucking Erie, the mistake on the lake :)
            Feeling better now? ;)

      • At the crossroads, stay strong

        As a native of the very blue city of St. Louis, MO, I am, of course a Cardinals fan. While I was naturally disappointed they didn’t make it to the playoffs this year – they were this >< close -, I'm happy for the Cubbies and that a National League team won. Growing up in an NL town, the AL always seemed like it was on another planet. Interleague play still doesn’t seem right to me. Play them ferrin teams in the World Series like it used to be. TRADITION! (earworm, anyone?)

        • OrG

          Yes!Didn’t grow in StL,but Granddad was a Cardinals fan and so am I.I still think DH is an abomination.Bob Gibson used to win games with his arm AND bat.

          • At the crossroads, stay strong

            Oh, yeah. Gibby! Batters used to break out in a sweat when they had to face him. I was an usher at Busch Stadium during the ’69 season and got to see him in action several times. Just WOW!

  • Sister Artemis

    I had to escape yesterday; drove late at night out to the Oregon Coast, spend much of the day commiserating and bitching and yes, a little crying. And solidified my family-of-choice. And talked about maybe getting married before January 20th.

    I have never been more grateful to live on the West Coast, for so many reasons. Did you know we elected an awesome governor, who’s also a female-type person, and also bi which sort of suggests she might be sensitive to people who don’t fit into the dominant class? I am also proud of my Senators Wyden and Merkley for making strong statements about the results of this election, and how to move forward.

    Anyway, I spent the day decompressing. And drinking coffee, and pie, and fine blended whiskey. Let me share a little of that with all of you.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/02f06ab3000f89941635f6f75c05bf9902910e05bbdbe165794c3c28437b2098.jpg

    • OrG

      Amen.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Ahh, Oregon…

      “Hey, let’s go to the beach!”
      “Okay, which scarf do you want?”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAp2Xhaa13o

      • BloviateMe

        When I first moved to Oregon, I called it the beach once, and was aggressively informed it is “the coast.”

        • OrG

          Well,we do have “beaches”,but I prefer the parts of “the coast” that aren’t.

          • BloviateMe

            Beaches be crazy.

          • OrG

            Ha! ISWYDT

          • TJ Barke

            The undertow is what’s crazy…

          • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

            “Duncan! Be careful of the undertoad!”

        • Kiri the Unicorn

          Yeah, whatev. I only ever bother correcting mispronounced place names.

          • I don’t even do that, if they are funny enough.
            Example: When we first moved to VA, the google maps told us to take the “Powhite express way” to some place or another.
            It remains Po-White. FOREVER.

      • Resistance Fighter Callyson

        Oregon-you’re a little rainy for me but I might have to get used to it FFS!

        • TJ Barke

          It beats drought…

          • BloviateMe

            That’s one of them double tender things.

    • BloviateMe

      Nice, Lincoln City?

      • Sister Artemis

        About an hour south

        • Kiri the Unicorn

          Near Florence, I guess.

          • Sister Artemis

            Yachats State Park, I think it’s called. I don’t know – I can walk there from where I’m staying, and have for 20+ years now, and still don’t know what the freaking park is called

          • Got a couch? I am thinking exit strat for when the draft comes back. Thinkin’ the best coast might be a good idear.

          • BloviateMe

            Was just saying to Mrs. Blov tonight, that since the Northern Blue Firewall has failed us bigly, about the only true bloc we have left is the Western Blue Firewall, and I’m grateful to be in it.

          • eh. Only a couple parts failed, and they had some help failing. Specifically, Republican policies allowing companies to move over seas for cheaper slave labor (historical!) coupled with Republican policies suppressing the voter turn out (more recently!).

          • BloviateMe

            Wasn’t intending to argue the details so much as the end result.

          • I know, I am trying to be optimistic XD Since I am still east, you see.

          • BloviateMe

            Fair enough!

            But it does bug me, having come from Minnesota, seeing things go bad.

            Wisconsin. WTF guys? Breaks my heart.

          • Unions were busted and they bought the line that it is the Dem’s fault.
            Said before, and we gotta admit it, Republicans play a much meaner game of long ball, all based on the simple fact that the great majority of people have the attention span of a gnat, and when they are down, they will look for an easy solution first, every time.

            We really should have rallied and stopped the union busting harder. Positive note: We did stop the right to work BS here in VA this year…but I suspect because the idiots thought the bill meant it supported unions (it was worded VERY sketchily to seem so lol, but see, libtards are SMRT and knew what it actually meant). Conservative co worker was all proud he stuck it to the unions by voting no and it was all I could do to keep from laughing in his face.

          • Kiri the Unicorn

            That is indeed its name. I should go fly kites there.

    • data_ninja

      I’m decompressing and working on the whiskey now. Somehow, laundry is involved. Also lots of HHGTTG. Wonderful view though!

      • I just re-bought my copy and it should be here sometime next week. YAY!!!!!

        • data_ninja

          Whiskey copy or laundry copy?

          • Leather copy :D I coulda done the reg paperback for 11 bucks or whatever, but I sprung for the one like the one I lost.
            For someone as penny pinching as me, that is saying something. Hubby was all…yeah we can afford it, wtf, you are a grown assed woman, don’t ask me this stuff (paraphrased, he was nicer about it).

          • data_ninja

            Leather Copy = Laundry Copy

            I think you need to get that dry cleaned. Or oiled properly.

          • pft, little fabreeze’ll do ‘er

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      Not trying to take away from your post or your Governor-elect, but Washington’s Lieutenant Governor-elect is a blind man who survived cancer three times born to immigrants from Iran and that doesn’t get nearly enough coverage.

      • OH YEAH WELL…VA has Terry.
        So uhm. Well off white dude. Er. Uhm wait, wait, gimme a minute….

      • Sister Artemis

        I’m glad you mentioned that!

        A usual day-after-election event for me is a good, long phone call with my mom, who lives south of Seattle. We usually compare notes about local races and ballot measures. Normally, she probably would have told me about this.

        But neither of us called each other on Wednesday. In the evening, I emailed her that I wasn’t able to call, being too enraged and grief-stricken; I knew she’d understand. We did have a call on Thursday, focused almost all of our talk on the devastation we felt, and our worries about the members of our family who are brown skinned, who are disabled, who are queer, and how we need to pull together and fight for the 2018 elections. We didn’t even have time to get to any of our local results. We will, but there was so much we both needed to vent about the WH. (still can’t bring myself to write that jerk’s name, I’m realizing).

        • IOnlyLikeCats

          Well to talk about someone other than him, do you understand why both state treasurer candidate’s were Republican? I nearly wrote someone in for funsies.

    • BadKitty904

      But…but…but there’s rocks on it!

    • cousin itt

      I wish we had an ocean here. I mean, it’s been like 35 million years!

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      MERIBOR: Father, I think I should marry Dannick sooner rather than later, don’t you?
      PICARD: Seize the time, Meribor. Live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
      MERIBOR: I love you, Father.

      • Sister Artemis

        Thank you, Kavefish. Thank you so much. You brought back the tears, but they’re the good kind.

        • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

          When I read your post, I could hear this scene in my head and it brought a lump to my throat. To see it also resonated with you pierced the lump and let some good tears shed, here, as well.

  • Panika MCD

    one of the best versions of the song. and the song being one of the best arguments (along with the library of books he published) for why he deserved the Nobel far more than Dylan BECAUSE IT HOLDS UP ON THE PAGE!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrLk4vdY28Q

    [EDIT:] programming note:
    scripture says that David was out walking on the roof of the temple when he spied Bathsheba bathing. it doesn’t really say where she was. worst peeping tom ever.

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Kiri the Unicorn
    • MynameisBlarney

      That’s some funk right there.

  • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer
  • Jamoche
  • data_ninja

    “The disadvantages involved in pulling lots of black sticky slime from out of the ground where it had been safely hidden out of harm’s way, turning it into tar to cover the land with, smoke to fill the air with and pouring the rest into the sea, all seemed to outweigh the advantages of being able to get more quickly from one place to another.” –HHGTTG

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Gonna turn in. People seem to be doing better, which is good. But I’m still just a few digits away. Night!

    • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

      Night, Darlin’! Get some good sleep and thank you ~hugs~

    • :huggles: Night, Spots! Still a few off myself but I found my sense of humor this morning so that is progress.

    • BadKitty904
      • OMG. Did you do that?

        • BadKitty904

          lol I wish I was that talented. Deviant Art has a whole mess of Rebel-Alliance propaganda posters.

          The ACLU and other liberal organizations have starting forming to oppose, hinder, and obstruct GOP tyranny for the next four years and to save our Republic. Said group has started being referred to as “the Rebel Alliance,” which I think is cool as dammit.

  • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer
  • going4baroque

    Thanks for the reminder, Dok. That today is Armistice Day/Veterans Day and thanks for the quote from Kurt Vonnegut, who finds the day sacred. Kurt’s talent in translating raw feeling into words, into the abstraction of words in a way that moves, that opens the heart. Vonnegut holds the day sacred. It is made sacred by the dead. And the dead are dead because of war. What is actually sacred is life. That is the genius of Vonnegut, putting into words what can’t really be put into words. War is organized murder. I’m a veteran of war, as are probably many wonketteers. The voice of God is silence. Never a truer sentence. It is not the chattering of a restless mind. God’s voice cannot be captured with words, with utterances. It cannot be so reduced. Silence is boundless. Not the silence between two noises. But the silence that is, when the mind is quiet. I’d like to share a little something that is related, as it is put down in words, by J.Krishnamurti:

    We are many and not one. The one does not come into being till the many cease. The clamorous many are at war with each other day and night, and this war is the pain of life. We destroy one, but another rises in its place; and this seemingly endless process is our life. We try to impose the one on the many, but the one soon becomes the many. The voice of the many is the voice of the one, and the one voice assumes authority; but it is still the chattering of a voice. We are the voices of the many, and we try to catch the still voice of the one. The one is the many if the many are silent to hear the voice of the one.

  • MynameisBlarney
  • TJ Barke
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  • Kiri the Unicorn
  • MynameisBlarney
  • jowgajen

    So, looking for any diversity in the burgeoning Trump administration and I’ve decided they are planning on sending Christie down to the tanning salon to get extra crispy.

    • Jennifer R

      Between the time the press releases went out and the news was old deadbeat donnie Jared fired Christie for putting his dad in jail.

      • jowgajen

        Maybe Giuliani tans well, then.

        • Jennifer R

          I thought vampires died in natural sunlight.

          • data_ninja

            Depends on the vampire rules.

    • TJ Barke

      They do have that fascist uncle tom motherfucker.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      There will be plenty of diversity in this administration! There will be con artists, religious zealots, yes-men… hacks, flacks, lackeys, lickspittles, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits…

      • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

        :::Bugs Bunny reading the list of animals eaten by the Tasmanian Devil:::

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      Also, too, when they drain the tanning bed they can use the drippings to stop the Oval Office chair wheels from squealing squeaking.

  • IOnlyLikeCats

    Have you guys seen this yet: http://valadilenne.tumblr.com/post/153048664118/ive-been-thinking-a-lot-about-the-meeting-between I am somehow satisfied in a single bitter way now. He’d probably be happy if the electoral college skipped out on him now.

    • BWAHAHAHAHA
      I see I am not the only one firmly entrenched in perverse delight XD
      Edit: The best part will be when he realizes that every sound he utters and movement he makes will be scrutinized with a magnifying glass, and how much people will be laughing at him.

      • BloviateMe

        I have zero faith in that. W was such a clear and obvious fuck up, but I remember seeing the “miss me yet” bullshit even while Obama was bringing the country back from his wanton destruction.

        People are willfully obtuse.

        • People are, but Trump is VERY sensitive to being laughed at.
          Like whoa. Worse than anyone I have ever heard of.
          His people are already saying stuff like respect the office and people have spoken (despite how they showed Bamz zero respect, and the people spoke 2x with him, a fact we can now shove down their throats).
          I am feeling real mean anymore and it ain’t punching down to exploit the orange idiot’s own MO.

          • Jennifer R

            He spent 30 years mailing a guy a Spy magazine photos of his hands after they coined the term Short Fingered Vulgarian.

          • So easy. Such very low hanging fruit.
            Lolz

    • OrG

      Feelin’ better all the time.

    • jowgajen

      Maybe he can bribe them or something to get him out of this.

    • BloviateMe

      But, but, but it’s all so easy and obvious when you’re criticizing from the outside looking in.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Because that’s what would strike a precise chill into Trump. The thundering realization that he’s woefully unprepared for the hard, boring, thankless reality of this, and Obama’s version of a smooth transition won’t and shouldn’t include remedial civics.

      That’s what I saw when they shook hands and Trump stared at the floor instead of looking back into Obama’s face. He’s just figured out how little he knows about any of this.

      Icarus. I don’t expect Trump paid attention in that class, either.

      • TJ Barke

        “Trump stared at the floor instead of looking back into Obama’s face”
        That’s probably also cuz he’s a cowardly little chickenshit.

        • rip america

          Without his twitter account, that’s exactly what he is.

        • Kiri the Unicorn

          Now let’s see how long it takes for that to sink into his followers’ thick skulls…

      • Here’s a pretty good illustration of how he stumbles through everything he does: https://youtu.be/ZRA7xtlCmyY

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      Oh, thank you for finding this and thank you again triply for sharing it :-D

  • memzilla (Maquis Uni)
    • HUH. funny enough, it is the folks claiming to be lefter lefties in this here country claiming that very thing.
      Innnttteresting.

      • Jennifer R

        I consider myself to be as far to the left as possible and there is exactly 0 room for active Nazis in my world.

        • ;) Don’t fret. I am very sure that the leftier than lefts are actually nothing of the sort, is the point I was makin.

          • Jennifer R

            I’ve been seeing a few holier than thou on the other blog I go to who still post multi page diatribes how Bernie would have won but they didn’t vote for Hillary because purity pony.

          • Yeaaahhhh no. For cryin out loud, Hillz is a regular church going white lady. And they still trotted out socialist and commie themes.
            No way there would have not been even MORE turn out to fight the “global joos” if an actual socialist Jew was manning the helm.
            And I voted for Bernie in the primary and actually know this so…they got no excuse.

          • going4baroque

            forgive the snark, it is purely unintentional, because it is based on personal observation: I’ve never seen Hillary in a church, except for a “black” church during election season, speechifying – does that count at the Pearly gates?

          • Sssoooo you follow her round every sunday, darlin?
            Here. For your personal observation ;)
            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/24/donald-trump/what-do-we-know-about-hillary-clintons-religion-lo/

          • going4baroque

            NO! I do not follow anybody, thanks for the opportunity to clarify that for questioners such as yourself, I do the youtube, if a video pops up with Hillary in a church, speechifying, I may watch for a few secs.

          • You do know that most of the time when folk chuch they are not the ones speechifying? And that when you are doing the speechifying it is generally because the folks you are speaking to have no other gathering place in which to hold a speechyfying event?
            But since your personal observation is based on nothing than “if” a video pops up on you tube, you will forgive me when I say I really hope you have no current position in any scientific field.
            Since it took me a whole 2 seconds on the google to find out that yes, Hillz really is a church lady.

          • going4baroque

            sure I could have done a cold unfeeling google search, so I will next time, thanks for the tip

          • Happy to help!

          • BloviateMe

            When I do a google search, I put my hands in my armpits for a minute or two, so it won’t be cold.

          • Sister Artemis

            Mary Katherine Ghalleger, is that you?

          • going4baroque

            that is funny, you show me her words, which is her public position, and that’s fine, nuff said

          • Yeah I know you HATE Hillary so very very much that even her church going can be cynically written off as an attempt to get black votes.
            Ahem, let me help you a little since I am so very helpful.

            “She continued to attend church at Wellesley, and Chafe noted that her social justice pursuits meshed with her religious convictions once she got to Yale as well.”
            And
            “The trend continues after moving to Arkansas in the 1970s, where she taught Sunday school at the First United Methodist Church, Maney said.”
            and
            “Clinton also attended the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington as first lady. Kengor told PolitiFact she was considered a “regular” at the church, which is considered to be more liberal than the larger Methodist denomination.”
            And
            “n 2014, Clinton spoke to United Methodist Women, citing the Methodist Church as inspiring her to “advocate for children and families, for women and men around the world who are oppressed and persecuted, denied their human rights and human dignity.”
            ^ All Politifact’s werdz.
            “We are only children of God, not God. Therefore, we must not attempt to fit God into little boxes, claiming that He supports this or that political position,” she wrote.”
            ^Her werdz.

            This is just one article. Want me to cruise the google for every time someone spotted her in the pews for you?

          • going4baroque

            ah, I see. Well, I was different in my activities also, in my 20’s – as always, I am pretty much stuck in the moment and not the past or the future, my mistake for not making that clear, earlier, goodnight

          • oh well, Hillz was not in her 20’s in 2014 so…there is that also!
            Actually, except for the collage bit, none of that was when she was in her 20’s!
            Huh.

          • going4baroque

            you win, and I win! I’m wiser, thanks to your kindnesses, I will not darken your post space again with my wonderings, goodnight

          • Oh sweetie, no one wins. But I am very glad I could help you out.
            OH, and if you want this year stuff….
            http://www.americamagazine.org/issue/private-faith-life-hillary-clinton
            But I will admit, there are some of her werdz in that too, also.

          • going4baroque

            thanks, sweetie, forgive my burdensome attitude, I know not what I do!

          • Aw it was no bother. Peace to you!

          • memzilla (Maquis Uni)

            FACTS! Why do you confuse us with FACTS! Why don’t you admit she’s EMAILZEBUB??

          • Well, she is that too. SHE IS EVERYTHING.

          • IOnlyLikeCats

            There are literally several award winning writers in that article who’ve dug up all this evidence and you didn’t read far enough into the page before saying we can’t trust a Methodist constantly and consistently quoting the Bible on their word? That’s… that’s nice.

          • He REALLY hates Hillary.

          • IOnlyLikeCats

            Even Joe doesn’t resort to ad hominem attacks out of nowhere.

          • going4baroque

            I do not hate anyone. I don’t position politicians higher or lower than any other human beings. I do know that some politicians do not “level with the American people” but, I’ll go now, I apologize for intruding, good night

          • IOnlyLikeCats

            So you go around asking your friends if they really attend a church??

          • going4baroque

            asking once makes it “so you go around asking” for you? No, I asked once, I will not ask again, thanks for asking

          • IOnlyLikeCats

            I mean you didn’t believe her at her word so to be fair you’d have to follow your friends to their seats. Unless you actually hold Hillary to a different standard.

          • Well on this, Hillary did level with the American people so, there is that!
            Maybe she was leveling with the American people about more? Huh. weird concept.

          • IOnlyLikeCats

            Pretty sure attending the victims’ of domestic abuse funerals without fanfare or cameras because she truly cares is enough to get her there. Just pointing it out.

          • BloviateMe

            I’ve never seen Osama bin Laden in a mosque.

          • TX Taco Truck Brigade

            zing!

          • Jamoche

            I saw Chelsea in church all the time at Stanford; I was a greeter there.

          • Jennifer R

            Bernie is about as good a socialist as bono truth be told.

          • Sister Artemis

            “purity pony”…. I now want MLP to make an episode to address this very important issue because ,YES, it DOES threaten the Elements of Harmony!

          • They can name that Pony Jillina.

          • OrG

            GODDAMMIT! If I wanted the person who was going to do EVERYTHING I wanted them to do I would fucking vote for myself…..but I don’t want the job.So I did the only sensible thing and voted for Hillary.the end

          • TJ Barke

            These people need to learn about minimizing harm.

          • Meh let them gloat. They think we will be able to check and balance because in their safe lives, we’ve always had that.
            Boy are they gonna be surprised!

          • Jennifer R

            Don’t let the good be the enemy of the perfect.

          • TX Taco Truck Brigade

            “leftier than thou”?

          • Jennifer R

            Confusing each other for the enemy is exactly what they want.

          • YOU’RE SEEING ANOTHER BLOG?!?

            http://i.imgur.com/CAoaZwA.gif

          • Jennifer R

            Aww I am just getting a little Balloon-Juice on the side.

      • Me The People

        Maybe George Orwell was onto something?

        “Pacifist literature abounds with equivocal remarks which, if they mean
        anything, appear to mean that statesmen of the type of Hitler are
        preferable to those of the type of Churchill, and that violence is
        perhaps excusable if it is violent enough. After the fall of France, the
        French pacifists, faced by a real choice which their English colleagues
        have not had to make, mostly went over to the Nazis, and in England
        there appears to have been some small overlap of membership between the
        Peace Pledge Union and the Blackshirts. Pacifist writers have written in
        praise of Carlyle, one of the intellectual fathers of Fascism. All
        in all it is difficult not to feel that pacifism, as it appears among a
        section of the intelligentsia, is secretly inspired by an admiration for
        power and successful cruelty.”

    • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

      Ima an Oldskooler ’bout Nazis:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q21AazXT9xo

      • TJ Barke

        Needs moar Audie Murphy.

        • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

          Audie was one hell of an American officer. :)

          • OrG

            I thought he was an actor.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            After the war, yes. Audie Murphy was a genuine sawed-off American Badass.

          • OrG

            haha I kid.I was just being a smartass

    • Oh, but it can’t happen here!

      …Yeah. About that. . .

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

    There is something I’ve been wanting to say for a few days, but I needed to get the cranium on straight, and let go some rage because I didn’t want it to come off like an attack against my Wonketeers.

    So: I was not sad when I saw Trump won. We have a nation of the stupid, a nation of the hate-filled. I’ve always known it. When you’re Queer, you are always different, always a target for bullies and haters.

    The real difference nows is, the haters have raised the stakes, and put all their cards on the table. Now, average straight Caucasian people are seeing what we that are different have always seen.

    How do we beat them? We fight. Push back. Live, laugh, love. Be different. Be sexxxy. I will not bow. My family broke me as a child. Fear, sexual abuse, emotional abuse, moving the goalposts. I was broken for decades.

    Now, I’m a grown woman. I’m strong, and I know there are worse things than dying. :) They can kill me, but they can’t make me bow.

    • Jennifer R

      I’m here I’m so many goddamn shades of queer they need four extra rainbows for them, get used to it.

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

        XD

        • Jennifer R

          A little wordy for a bumper sticker but maybe a T shirt?

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            I’d wear it. :)

          • Naytch

            Rainbow squared, cubed or to the tenth would fit!

      • JVisconti

        I like colorful people who consider extra rainbows. You’re not alone.

    • JVisconti

      Get on the next ballot Anna and use your voice, I will cross whatever state lines to commit voter fraud. Beware. I hear the pay is crappy, but the healthcare coverage is good.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muFQrH8uhUA

      Let your voices be heard
      Don’t let your vision be blurred
      Raise your fist in the air
      Against the burdens that you bear

  • MizzMazz
    • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

      ‘Night! Sleep sweet. :)

      • MizzMazz

        Good night sweetie.

    • Jonny On Maui

      Good night MizzMazz.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      With Sing, Sing, Sing, Krupa is on his home turf, but Rich gave him a good run for it.

  • Jonny On Maui

    Good night my friends

    https://youtu.be/ZDwotNLyz10

  • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

    Hey my Darlings. It’s good to be back. ~hugs~

    I’ve been cooking, cleaning , walking and getting my Flirt on alls day, and I need to hit the sack.

    I love you all, I’ll be back in the morning, I promise.

    ‘Night!

  • IOnlyLikeCats

    Everyone is going to sleep and I haven’t made dinner yet.

    • I just realized now it is almost 2 in the AM XD
      right then…enjoy your dinner!

      • IOnlyLikeCats

        It’s only 11 here.

        • I used to live central and there it would only be nearly 1 so…the night is still young?

          • At the crossroads, stay strong

            Neener, neener. 4:15 PM Anime Standard Time, Saturday here.

          • IOnlyLikeCats

            If anime is the standard that must be one crazy time.

          • At the crossroads, stay strong

            Also known as Manga Standard Time or Hello, Kitty Standard Time. Japan does not lack for weirdness, believe me.

    • TX Taco Truck Brigade

      I’ll paraphrase and butcher David Sedaris – who said that at some point someone told him drinking 6 scotches and falling asleep was not “going to bed” but rather “passing out.”

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Trump Campaigned Against Lobbyists, but Now They’re on His Transition Team
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-campaigned-against-lobbyists-now-theyre-on-his-transition-team.html

    “I’m going to drain the swamp . . . right after I hire the snakes and gators.”
    –realDJT

    • I do not see the problem. He said he was going to Drain the Swamp.
      That is what he is doing. By sucking it all in to his own inner circle.

  • TX Taco Truck Brigade

    Somebody posted Rancid’s timebomb below and I can’t believe I didn’t think to post this – (just go ahead and adapt the lyrics to your particular circumstance);

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYW3mVUyUtI

    • data_ninja
    • I saw them at the Agora in ninety-censored. Moshed like a mo fo, got crushed ‘gainst the stage and then contact high’d in the bathroom.
      Good time! I think.

      • TX Taco Truck Brigade

        Saw them in 98 myself – they were gettin’ old then!

        • Was that the year they first made national radio? Can’t remember. I am getting old XD
          Aaaahhh youth

          • TX Taco Truck Brigade

            I’m not sure they ever made it to radio, lol. If they did it was after I left radio. It was the Vans tour 98 in Austin, I mean they were legends in certain circles of course, but let’s just say that was AFTER fucking Mighty Mighty Bosstones went large with Royal Oil – so yeah. It was a weird time.

            P.S. And that other hit song they had…you know the one. The one with the something something I get.
            I forget at the moment. ;)

  • At the crossroads, stay strong

    I posted this over at Rebecca’s little say about white women, but it’s a late post there, International Dateline and all, so I thought I’d post it here as well as it seems more appropriate.

    What gets me about vets who voted for Trump is that they seemed to
    have forgotten that people of color have fought in all our wars. Despite
    hostility from northern whites, blacks demanded to serve in the Union
    army as exemplified by the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment, celebrated in the movie ‘Glory’. The was the 369th Infantry Regiment in WWI, known as the Harlem Hellfighters. In WWII, again against rampant discrimination, blacks served with distinction and valor, including the famous Tuskeegee Airmen and the lesser known all black 761st Tank Battalion in Patton’s army and that won a Presidential Unit Citation, not to mention the 442 Infantry Regiment made up of nisei Japanese-Americans from the internment camps that became the most decorated unit of WWII, earning 9,486 Purple Hearts out
    of 14,000 who served and 21 Medals of Honor. They’re motto was ‘Go For Broke’.

    Since then whites, blacks, Latinos, Asians and of course
    Muslims and, yes, women, have fought and died side by side in the US
    military. So, you white vets who howled and voted for Trump, you just
    made life a lot harder for a lot of your fellow vets. Have you learned
    nothing from your service to your country and with your
    comrades-in-arms? And guess what? You’ve also voted against your own
    self-interest and instead went for your selfish interest. Bigly sad.

    • TX Taco Truck Brigade

      The Buffalo Soldiers would like a word with you.
      /s (But seriously, but snarky and friendly).

      • At the crossroads, stay strong

        There are so many, many more examples I could have mentioned. These five examples, hopefully, will just whet the appetites of those who would like to look further into such little known history.

        • TX Taco Truck Brigade

          I was totally/sorta kidding. I happened to be at a local, legendary Mexican restaurant last night that is located across from a very old cemetery hear. The gates have “Buffalo Soldiers” on them. Also of course Bob Marley’s tune. I would imagine you probably know more about Buffalo Soldiers than I do.

          • At the crossroads, stay strong

            Absolutely no offense taken. I smiled when I read it, and it’s an excellent reminder.

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      I wrote a joke about the 1st Rhode Island Regiment (who weren’t exclusively black) but it appears Disqus ate it. Just know I remembered them.

    • Juan de Payaso

      I served as a protocol escort to a member of the 442nd at an awards ceremony deal in Hawaii a long time ago. I was in the Airforce at the time and he came from the Army and OSS and he noticed the jump wings on my chest (I’m prior Army) which gave us something to talk about for a while, common ground and all of that. I don’t know if he would’ve been a Trump supporter today or not but he was a very proud Japanese-American. A very proud American. As is my wife and her family.

      I can say with authority that they can’t stand Trump.

      • At the crossroads, stay strong

        That is just double plus cool. I can also say that my Japanese wife and friends are appalled and mystified by what happened.

        • Juan de Payaso

          Yeah, I think my comment came across as a humble brag but it wasn’t – it was a full-blown brag. That dude was so cool. I’d never heard of the 442nd until I met my wife. I told her who I was escorting and she was like – HOW DO YOU DO THIS??

          He was a good man. Still remember him talking about how personally offended he was that his own former nation was attacking his new one. Shared stories about working with the OSS, going way behind enemy lines in Borneo or some place. Dude had some great stories. He reminded me of my wife’s Japanese grandmom, who is still alive and feisty at 98 years old.

          • At the crossroads, stay strong

            I am sad I can only upvote this once. Most definitely brag-worthy. My dad served in the Marine Corps on Okinawa. He was a great, open-hearted guy. Unfortunately, he passed away a year before I came to Japan. I know he would have welcomed my wife with open arms as my mom did when they met.

          • Juan de Payaso

            Too cool. My wife’s family comes from Okinawa on her mother’s side and from mainland Japan on her father’s side. Our daughter has always identified more with her Asian side than my own Italian side, which is cool. I sometimes joke that we’ve got some type of WW2 Axis thing going on in our home. I kid, I kid ;)

            I tried hard to land an assignment on Okinawa but it never happened. Really wanted to surf Okinawa. One day…

          • At the crossroads, stay strong

            Things are pretty tense there right now because of the bases. I’ve never been there, although I’d like to go someday. I live in central Honshu.

  • data_ninja

    Okay, the whiskey is starting to hit hard, and the time is nie (near? Nee? Knights who say ‘Nee’?) So here is my final HHGTTG quote of the evening:
    https://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/system/images/photo_albums/hitchhiker-quotes/large/quotes-hitchhikers-12.jpg?1384968217

    P.S. Don’t get mad, get organized!

    • MynameisBlarney

      Why not both?

    • IOnlyLikeCats

      Nigh, it’s nigh. I’m sorry I can’t help it. I both spelled that wrong on first try and made a pun on accident. I’m losing my mind.

      • data_ninja

        There’s never anything wrong with making a pun on accident. Unless you make nine puns on purpose after that hoping to have no recourse. In that case, you will likely get a pun-ishment, despite where the previous no pun in ten did.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Today must be Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays.

    • Marion in Savannah

      Nigh.

  • Juan de Payaso

    CNN reporter to protester in Atlanta: “So, who did you support in the election?”
    Protester to CNN reporter: “Bernie Sanders.”
    CNN reporter: “So, did you vote for Hillary Clinton?”
    Protester to CNN reporter: “No.”
    Me to protester on television: “Then shut the fuck up.”

    • Jennifer R

      That just makes my blood boil.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      But they can roll out the puppets and break some windows, because that’s useful opposition

  • TX Taco Truck Brigade

    So a discussion below took place re: Rancid, which made me think of the Vans tour in ’98, which made me think of the band Ozomatli. They played the side stage that year and in another year or two would be touring with Dave Matthews Band. They’re essentially a band of latinos and black dudes from LA (sort of like WAR). At that show, they had a kid who must have been 15 do a solo on a damn slidewhistle – which was impressive. IIRC, one of the Lone Gunman from the X-files is seen wearing an Ozomatli t-shirt in one episode.

    Bonus trivia: I went to that Vans date with my gf at the time – it’s the only time I’ve ever attended a show carrying around a backpack of tampons. True story.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjb9i5r9inc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMZfvpbWp8c
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C716_FW3uzc

  • Kiri the Unicorn
  • So, still seeking out reactions to all of this, because apparently I love abusing myself, and unfortunately came across Real Time with Bill Maher’s hot take on it all.

    Usual litany of white privilege humor, after which he starts to slobber all over the Trump, because he won.

    The Daily Beast summarizes my feelings nicely*, and contains a full embed of the show:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/11/bill-maher-surrenders-to-trump-he-won-and-he-did-it-his-way.html

    If you keep at it, Bill, you might go far, and you can start by fucking off, now.

    *How many more phrases I never thought I’d say am I going to have to type this fucking week?

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Is anyone surprised? Maher’s differences with Trump are stylistic. He’s never shown any particular sign that he doesn’t substantially agree with him about the place of women or the irrelevance of individual rights not specific to individuals with white dicks.

  • TX Taco Truck Brigade

    OMG! A little gem for the late nighters:

    Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg appeared in court today wearing her dissent collar although no cases were heard.

    Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg appeared to be wearing her infamous “dissent jabot” on the bench Wednesday morning.

    The move is being widely interpreted as a repudiation of Donald Trump’s victory in the presidential election a night earlier.

    http://juanitajean.com/a-toast-to-justice-ginsburgs-health/

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      I love that woman. She’d better live forever. Alternatively, we need to start working on our “Weekend at Bernie’s” version of the Supreme Court. Just in case.

  • JVisconti

    The last days have been confounding. Sorry I took the brown acid on Tuesday and ignored Wavy Gravy.

    • Jennifer R

      Like most other topics Saint Carlin has words about the brown acid.

      • JVisconti

        Sadly, like most departed we could comfort from their voice now.

        • Jennifer R

          As problematic as he was at times, I could use a few new jokes from Bill Hicks and his mushroom forest of purple veined dick jokes.

          • YetAnotherRebecca

            Right after I lost my first husband there was a period of time when the *only* thing that could make me feel even a little better was Bill Hicks.

            And you’re right, this feels to me like another one of those times.

  • Jennifer R

    The GoP is 5 State Legislatures from being able to write amendments. 2018 is a defense year for the senate. We have to keep state houses.

    • TX Taco Truck Brigade

      That is the most frightening thing I’ve heard since tuesday night.

      • Jennifer R

        Yeah I started looking at the numbers. 25 D senate seats 8 GoP senate seats. We COULD take a majority, but if we can’t clear up the voter suppression we are as likely to bleed out a super majority. So we REALLY NEED those state houses.

        • Carpe Vagenda

          Jersey is next year. The incumbent seems unlikely to do well, and the current most likely challenger has close ties to Trump. Seems like an opportunity.

    • Updating for the heads up, not the content. Damn, that’s scary…

      • Jennifer R

        We SHOULD be able to retain VT and NJ legislatures next year, but after Tuesday I think that conventional wisdom goes on the midden heap. Assume we are fighting to win back hostile legislatures in every state.

        • Yep, yep. The motto should be, “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!”

          Fuck all of this conciliatory bullshit. I am NOT listening to them, I am NOT going to try to understand. I am going to learn from history, and realize that their tactic of BURN EVERYTHING fucking won the election.

        • jwtukker

          In Washington we’re holding to our deep blue status and will until Rainier sends us all to that music festival in the sky.

    • Occupied Territory of Kavefish

      VERY good point.

  • data_ninja

    Oh, dear friends at Wonkette. I’m still drinking, talking with a good friend, and fired up. This is an argument that I’ve been afraid of. I’ve got a friend, yelling about Obamacare and taxes, and how essentially all of these employees of his (he manages a food service location) can apply for all of these benefits and all of the ‘problems’ caused by Obamacare.

    If I were a wise man, I’d just bit the bullet and say “sure, you’re right. It’s the fault of all of those lazy people who want medical care but somehow magically drive fancy cars (according to you)” in my not-so-best passive aggressive tone.

    If I were an asshole, I’d mention that his oldest daughters medical issues have been primarily paid for by Obamacare and that if there’s any laziness happening, it’s his inability to figure out how to make sure that medicaid pays for it.

    And this is why I should not drink after a week like this one. I’m too ready for a fight. I really should not be doing this, because I can almost guarantee the wrong this is going to come out of my lips, cuz no filter.

    Help me Obi-wonkette Kanobi. You’re my only hope.

    • Jennifer R

      Never let the good be the enemy of the perfect. If you think he can be timely reached and made to repent, then bite your tongue now to feed him the silver one later.

      • data_ninja

        I think I might pull the drinking card: “Oh, passed out, drank too much”. I may even take it a step further of “What did I say?”. It is truly a good friendship, despite the current friction. I can’t overlook that based on how I feel right now.

        • Jennifer R

          Then be gracious in defeat now, six months down the line when everyone sees deadbeat donnie merely dredged the swamp for appointments, and no wall is being built, and people still speak spanish you can hit him with some trufax.
          And it goes without saying but NEVER EVER I TOLD YOU SO about his kid, should any lack of insurance related issue befall her.

    • It isn’t worth it. Not now. Let him rant tonight. You’ll get to rant another night. Squid pro quote, I think that is called.

  • Carpe Vagenda
    • Jennifer R

      Hey Jared got revenge for his sleezeball father going to jail inside of five minutes. Everything else is just bonus points.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Hey. Show some respect. His grandparents survived the shoah specifically so Jared could put neonazis in staff positions inside the White House to memorialize his dad gay-honeytrapping the Governor of Jersey. I read it in the Observer, back when that existed.

    • Msgr_Moment

      Maybe there’s a reason after all that we tend to elect people who know where the washroom key is located. You know, insiders.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        And their insiders are all liver flukes who rely on someone else keeping the host healthy. I think if this happens, the Villagers have managed to bustle us past the years of plausible deniability of the Bush 2 years straight into the systemic collapse part.

  • WomanInAMood
  • Khavrinen

    Like “The Band Played Waltzing Matilda”, my favorite Remembrance/war protest song is about WWI: John McCutcheon’s “Christmas in the Trenches”.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTXhZ4uR6rs

  • You guys, I’m already seeing Christmas commercials! This is wrong on a level of wearing white AFTER labor day.

    It’s also a reminder that we shouldn’t let our recent setback distract us from The War on Christmas. The other side already has slick commercials!

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      I’m kind of cool with the early Christmas ads this year. They’re unfailingly optimistic. Usually I’m right there with the eye-rolling over the forced commercialization of the holidays far too early, but right now, it’s more “Awww. Those people look so happy. Maybe I will be some day again, too.”

    • Marion in Savannah

      You’re just getting them NOW? We’ve been inundated for months down here. As God is my witness the first Christmas stuff was spotted for sale in late August. It’s enough to make you pull your hair out. When I was a kid in NYC there wasn’t ANYTHING Christmas in any of the stores until after Santa had arrived at Macy’s at the end of the Thanksgiving Day Parade.

  • WomanInAMood

    For Armistace Day.

    https://youtu.be/DB3CM8LaRV0

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Funny, it’s celebrated everywhere except here in Germany for some reason.

      • WomanInAMood

        I dont know if “celebrated” is the right word. Because what a horrific war.

        • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

          Observed? It’s not a celebration of war, but the end of it.

          • WomanInAMood

            Better. But as Vonnegut noted, it’s no longer a day for ww1. Though all veterans deserve a day of respect.

          • nanuq1

            My late, lovely, very German wife told me the old men in her little town (Dulken) would go ride stick horses around a windmill on 11/11 at 11PM. I have NFI what that means, other than they were almost certainly drunk.

          • Jennifer R

            11/11/ 1918 11PM was when the armistice was signed.

          • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

            Which was not a time for celebration in Germany.

          • Jennifer R

            If you were a small town sending your young boys to die in a meatginder because of someone you never cared about was shot, it might just be after all.

          • Teecha

            11 am. Not pm.

          • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

            My lovely German wife told me that 11/11 at 11:11 is when Fasching starts, which is cause for a fair bit of celebration in these parts.

            I’ve been in the Dulken area some. Near Mönchengladbach and Brüggen. We live in the south west.

          • Msgr_Moment

            I briefly lived with a family in Berlin. The son was a big fan of a certain team and would sing

            Gladbach, Gladbach ueber alles
            Ueber alles in der Welt.

            It was a little unsettling.

          • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

            “It was a little unsettling.”

            Yeah, he should have picked a better team at least…

          • Msgr_Moment

            1981. They were pretty damn good.

        • Teecha

          We commemorate armistice day in Britain.

      • Msgr_Moment

        Nor in the Czech Republic.

        Two years ago, I was in Prague and when I went to Czech class, the teacher asked us what today was. ‘This is easy,’ I thought, Armistice Day. No, that wasn’t what she was thinking. So I offered ‘Singles Day’, which I had just learned about from the Beeb that morning. Nope. 11/11 is St. Martin’s Day, the day the local ‘primeur’ wine goes on sale and people eat goose for dinner.

        Maybe the ties to the Austro-Hungarian Empire still linger?

        • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

          There will be one in the White House soon. Slovenia, birthplace of my paternal grandfather, was part of Austro-Hungary.

  • Reality Kills

    What’s on the spoon? Semen?? I know Wonkette need money but I wish they would find another sponsor.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Yes. This. And if only I thought it was a sign of self-knowledge that it was published in the Times.

    I cannot thank: Hillary Clinton. She is not a morally perfect person — her fault! She was not the perfect candidate — her fault! Misogyny may have magnified her failings so as to show them balancing the outsized failings of her opponent — and that might not be her fault. But she fought to the very limits of her ability to deny us Tuesday night’s surprise, so I do not thank her. Pooh on you, Hillary Clinton!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/theonlyadult/status/797302950251167744

    • YoNastyBunny

      I’m liking the Jimmy Fallon bit.

      I remember when he first started, people thought his being such a Nice Guy!! would make him a great host, because it’s so mean to put your guests on the burner! I think I was more agnostic about that argument then, but now…

      Yeah… step 1 in normalizing a monster.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        He’s pretty much less-obviously-douchey Jay Leno, as near as I can tell.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Well, damn. Gregg Popovich, who I understand is a sports figure of some sort in TX , has this to say

    …”The fact that people can just gloss that over, start talking about the transition team, and we’re all going to be kumbaya now and try to make the country good without talking about any of those things. And now we see that he’s already backing off of immigration and Obamacare and other things, so was it a big fake, which makes you feel it’s even more disgusting and cynical that somebody would use that to get the base that fired up. To get elected. And what gets lost in the process are African Americans, and Hispanics, and women, and the gay population, not to mention the eighth grade developmental stage exhibited by him when he made fun of the handicapped person. I mean, come on. That’s what a seventh grade, eighth grade bully does. And he was elected president of the United States. We would have scolded our kids. We would have had discussions until we were blue in the face trying to get them to understand these things. He is in charge of our country. That’s disgusting.”
    A reporter then interrupted him.

    “I’m not done,” Popovich said. “One could go on and on, we didn’t make this stuff up. He’s angry at the media because they reported what he said and how he acted. That’s ironic to me. It makes no sense. So that’s my real fear, and that’s what gives me so much pause and makes me feel so badly that the country is willing to be that intolerant and not understand the empathy that’s necessary to understand other group’s situations. I’m a rich white guy, and I’m sick to my stomach thinking about it. I can’t imagine being a Muslim right now, or a woman, or an African American, a Hispanic, a handicapped person. How disenfranchised they might feel. And for anyone in those groups that voted for him, it’s just beyond my comprehension how they ignore all of that. My final conclusion is, my big fear is — we are Rome.”

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      We are NOT Rome.

      The government in Rome gave the people food and entertainment.

      • Jennifer R

        Funny enough, foodstamps and netflix would buy trump a couple %

        • Carpe Vagenda

          I… am going to assume I don’t know what you mean by that?

          • Jennifer R

            Instead of Bread and Circuses, Foodstamps and Netflix.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Surely his beloved upper middle class white folks can’t be bought so cheaply.

          • Jennifer R

            Tell that to your tricky dick stimulus funbux.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Tricky Dick didn’t make them pay to use roads they paid to build which were handed over to people who have no motivation to maintain them.

          • Jennifer R

            Only because in context, it was mostly a post scarcity world. The W mailing out checks thing it was based around however scored him some points that lasted for months, even if a 600 dollar check is seemingly an insultingly low amount to sell your good will for it worked.

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        Some pretty cool infrastructure programs in Rome, too. Yay aquaducts!

        • Jennifer R

          Their roads stayed in great shape because they made the army go forth and repave the damn things.
          They also knew a secret.
          The fields don’t feed the soldiers. The soldiers feed the fields.

          • Msgr_Moment

            Yes, but other than all that stuff, what has Rome ever done for us?

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Lately, anyway. I mean, they gave the swamp boys some nice fallacies to use in internet arguments, but not much since then.

  • Blacktop Cadence

    I absolutely adore the fact that LGBT folks who supported Trump are now in deep denial that he’s going to undo all of the guidances, rules, and executive orders that constitute our federal protections, guarantee access to trans medical care, and the right to openly serve in the military.

    Seriously, these would be the people on the death camp train saying “I bet they’re going to take us to a great place!”

    • Jennifer R

      Last spring NPR (yeah I fucking know) had someone on who was a Black 17 year old conservative christian gay orphan who was adopted by his 5th grade teacher. He was all in for deadbeat donnie, 100% insisting that the short fingered vulgarian was good on gay rights. The other half of the episode was about how him coming out had super damaged his relationship with his parents and everyone was wondering around lost. I felt so fucking bad for him and this was like two weeks before combover caligula started on his “Gee black people sure aren’t people” shtick. Now I actually worry for his safety.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Now tell me he lives in Chicago and we’ll know the rest of the story.

        • Jennifer R

          It was an all things considered before June 10 2016 (When I left fremont for sacto), so I guess it shouldn’t be hard for me to find.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            I’m just wondering if he’s the anomalous Trump voter who skewed the LA Times poll.

        • Jennifer R

          I had some details wrong but I found him. He still voted for trump and is saying that there will be no GLBTQ backlash, before also floating a bunch of lies about Clinton. Poor kid, and out of respect I am not gonna let float what details I had wrong. He is gonna get a crash course in fuck you soon enough anyway.

  • I am WAY LATE for Armistice Day, and not nearly early enough for Saturday, but this seemed appropriate: I didn’t know that Chaplin had tackled WWI, as well.

    https://youtu.be/ZBP5v3N_Rk4

    • AntiDerpomeme

      Ups for your user name.

  • Msgr_Moment

    Despite lovely kumbaya sentiments to the contrary on Faceplant, I refuse to accept anyone who marked a ballot “trump” should be treated with respect. This was not a “normal” election. John McCain interrupted a woman at a rally who insisted that Obama was born in Kenya, explaining to her patiently that this was not so. The current President-Elect continued to fan that fire well after that election.

    If you marked your ballot for a pathological liar who has bankrupted multiple businesses, bragged about being a serial sexual abuser, has little knowledge or interest in how government worked, never filled in the real details of his economic plan, or even something as basic as what would make America great, a man who delighted in coming up with childish names for his opponents, a bully who shouted over women as a matter of course, and an enabler of racists, bigots, ant-gay hate groups, you are part of the fucking problem here. Period. Full stop.

    • Land Shark Hombre

      Sometimes the answer is not “People are astutely seeing things that I, inside my bubble, have missed.” Sometimes the answer is just “People are fucking morons whose brains are not built to see through bullshit.”

      Never, never, never normalize this

      • Carpe Vagenda

        talk to this guy

        I am saddened, but not surprised, by the outcome. It is no shock to me that millions of people who voted for Mr. Trump did so because they are sick and tired of the economic, political and media status quo.

        • Land Shark Hombre

          That’s part of it, but the above author’s point was there is a large percentage who cannot mentally discern bullshit. I use spam email as a proof point: we wouldn’t get spam email if it didn’t work.

          • Msgr_Moment

            But usually the spamster only nets a small percentage of rubes. Hence the mass mailings. Here we have a con man who suckered almost half the voters. You can fool some of the people all of the time.

          • Land Shark Hombre

            I believe he conned some voters. Some people voted for Trump because of his racism. Some women may have voted for Trump because Hillary is woman. But others, mostly rational people, are the ones he conned. Not sure how many that really is.

            I use spam as an example, but the principal is the same. There is some segment of the population that are taken in by a slick sales job.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            I don’t know that I buy that. I think there was a lot of deep selfishness going on, and it suited some of his voters to pretend not to believe him, but mostly I think they dgaf. Their politicians have been telling them for decades that it’s all going to hell, and their trains still all run on time because of all that yummy blue state money pouring into the places where affluent white Republicans live. Why should they view breaking the world as any more consequential than a way to really count coup on their liberal relatives?

    • Carpe Vagenda

      And the dispiriting thing is that I’m pretty sure the majority of his voters would have voted for an actual bag of dicks if it was in the R ballot slot. I’m not convinced the vote counts in swing states were accurate, but there’s no doubt in my mind that Fox News has turned this country into a nationwide Milgram experiment. I’m actually kind of grateful that they had to literally refuse the vote to millions of people to get this done.

      Now if Sanders would just quit writing op ed pieces about how Trump represents half the country rising up for socialist revolution, maybe we could focus on that.

      • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

        Bernie can blow me – with votes. That tired old sack-of-shit is a liability.

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        I’m still pissed at Bernie and his whole boomerang into the Dem party, take a crap on everything and whiz back out all “back to being Indie, so have fun cleaning up.” If he were serious about changing things from within, he’d actually become a full-time party operative instead of standing back and criticizing from the safety of disengagement. I’d have a lot more respect for him if he hadn’t essentially used the Dems as a vehicle for his own means (much like The Orange One has used the GOP) without actually committing to becoming a part of it.

        • Carpe Vagenda

          The only berner I run into regularly is that dimwitted Levitz kid at NYMag (who I have to assume has either an uncle or a ‘mentor’ in high places because jhc) who just wrote one of his turgid think pieces about how the future of progressive politics in America is going to look like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. Because apparently they look alike, except for the thing where she does her homework and thinks the votes of women and brown people ought to count.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            My BernOut friends are back…”this is all your fault for disrespecting us during the primaries”. It’s really doing wonders for my mood right now.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            You want Miz Anna to tell them to fuck off, Baby? I burn bridges like a Bridge-burning thing.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Thanks…I got this one. I’m a human steam kettle right now. People have begun avoiding me.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            Good for you. :)

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Right. And the literally millions of people who were denied the vote are acceptable collateral damage because they were going to vote wrong. Sounds like good solid master class thinking to me.

          • CogitoErgoBibo

            Since most of BernOuts voted Jill, or didn’t vote at all, they’d better STFU around me. I’ve had to write off a former friend of over 15 years who was a Bernie delegate at the convention (and yes, of course she’s still whining about the rest of us). If I can cut her out of my life, I have zero patience for the rest of them.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            The important thing is that they stuck to their precious snowflake principles. Hey, if a few million people have to get deported, lose their health care, or die because they couldn’t get a cancer screening at PP, well, that’s a small price to pay.

        • Vienna Woods
      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Umm…how do I turn up the amperage on the this gadget again? My test partner doesn’t seem to be squirming enough to suit me.

      • Msgr_Moment

        Bags of dicks lean right. It’s widely known.

    • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

      “Respect”? I treat Trump voters with the contempt they’ve earned.

      • Msgr_Moment

        You’re merely returning the favor.

        • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

          I wear the contempt and scorn of galactically-stupid (R) Voters like a medal of Valor.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Well said. I’m on a scorched earth policy, calling out each and every one of these assholes every time they try to weasel about the activities of the Brownshirts in their ranks. Fuck you, own it. We’re not going to be good Germans and “unite” to make you happy. You don’t get a free pass because you claim you voted for Trump because he promised to make the trains run on time.

    • Blacktop Cadence

      I’m struggling with this too. A few very supportive people told me they pulled the lever for Trump, and since they’re both work colleagues I don’t even feel I can question that decision.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        You want me to stop by and kick their asses? I won’t mention your name.

        • Blacktop Cadence

          Haha, I’d almost pay to see that, but I can think of a few more choice targets.

          Like my uncle and his mother, who shit on my stepmom and brother in their gloating.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Yep, the gloating. Then, inevitably, the whinging about how we’re sore losers.

          • Blacktop Cadence

            I will say this, we have Christmas at that grandma’s house on Christmas Eve. I’m taking my car and I will leave.

            My dad has vowed to throw anyone out of Thanksgiving if they talk politics, and he’s extremely serious.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Yay Dad!

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            I’ve burned bridges with my family. I’m not saying you should, or have to, but I’ve taken all the abuse, dead-naming, and misgendering off of them that I’m evers *going* to take.

          • Blacktop Cadence

            It’ll happen naturally.

            Neither of these people are going to be supportive of my transition.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

            It’s their loss, my Love. ~hugs~

          • Blacktop Cadence

            Meh, it’s no great loss on my end either. I see my uncle (step uncle really) a handful of times a year and my grandma is increasingly angry and erratic. She managed to even piss off my brother over this, and he let her shit roll off his back normally.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Sadly, it’s good to cull the herd every now and then. People who truly love you will continue to do so, male, female, or green with red breath.

          • Blacktop Cadence

            Oh, I totally agree. Gonna get through the holidays here and then I’m out everywhere except work. I’ll be out there too if I get this teacher’s aid job or something like it.

            I expect a lot of whinging from family, but it’s a good thing in the long run to drop the bad ones.

    • NastyBossetti

      Yeah I started yelling at MrBossetti the other night when he suggested that I not be angry at people who voted for Trump because they don’t feel listened to, and I’m part of the problem because here I am dismissing them. No. Fuck them.
      Everyone’s probably seen that “Cinemax theory of racism” thing, trying to explain to people that even if you bought the cable package so you could get HBO, you are still a Cinemax subscriber because it was part of the package and you knew that. But I think it’s more like this: you needed a container, and you wanted a jar. The store had a jar, but it was filled with angry hornets, and it was clearly labelled “Angry Hornets,” but you just figured you’d open the jar and let the hornets fly out and then you could have the jar. And you really wanted that jar, so you bought it anyway, knowing you weren’t going to be the one who got stung. Did you buy angry hornets and unleash them on other people? Yes, you bought angry hornets. Don’t fucking tell me you just bought a jar!

  • Land Shark Hombre

    The problem is that Facebook users aren’t always good at distinguishing legitimate news sources from satire, propaganda, or just plain false information. And if bad information goes viral, it can negatively influence the public’s opinion.

    The spreading of false information during the election cycle was so bad that President Barack Obama called Facebook a “dust cloud of nonsense.”

    “People if they just repeat attacks enough and outright lies over and over again, as long as it’s on Facebook and people can see it, as long as its on social media, people start believing it,” he said.

    Facebook is being blamed for Trump’s election — but Mark Zuckerberg’s response is tone deaf

    • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

      It’s simple, my friends. If you use FB, do *not* come crying to me about the hatred and stupidity you find there, because I will tell you you are a Moran for consuming it, and I have no sympathy for people that choose to be abused.

      • Marion in Savannah

        I quit messing with it years ago, except once in a while a friend in Australia posts fabulous pictures of the birds and flora on their property. Not only is FarceBook full of weapons grade stoopid, I used to constantly pick up computer viruses. Not since I quit FB…

    • Bill D. Burger

      In many ways and forms this was a triumph of Big Lie politics, and social media, Twitter/Facebook et al, were absolutely powerful engines (*but don’t excuse the MSM’s sickening enabling of that flimflam man) which propelled a loudmouthed vicious carnival barker and scamming realtor into the presidency.

  • Me The People

    Laibach needs to do some material about Trump and his supporters mindset. Oops I think maybe they already did

    What has arisen must come to pass
    What is past must be resurrected
    We are the devil and we are God
    We are timeless, and you are dead
    Raus!

    https://youtu.be/2BqLv2T8vSc

  • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer
  • Me The People

    If this pans out, it will be interesting to see how much fall out there will be with his alt right supporters, because if this article is correct it looks like they may have already served their purpose, thanks for helping make this beautiful deal for me and bye!:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-and-aides-hedge-on-major-pledges-including-obamacare-and-the-wall/2016/11/11/9196b364-a82f-11e6-8fc0-7be8f848c492_story.html

    “President-elect Donald Trump and key advisers in recent days have
    backed away from some of the most sweeping pledges that the Republican
    candidate made on the campaign trail, suggesting that his administration
    may not deliver on promises that were important to his most fervent
    supporters.

    Trump built his campaign message around bold vows to,
    among other things, force Mexico to pay for a massive border wall,
    fully repeal the Affordable Care Act and ban Muslims from entering the
    United States. But in the days since his upset election victory, he or
    his advisers have suggested that those proposals and others may be
    subject to revision.

    On President Obama’s health-care law, for
    example, Trump said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal on
    Friday that he would like to keep some parts of the law intact and may
    seek to amend the statute rather than repeal it. Trump said he came to
    the conclusion after Obama, during Trump’s Oval Office visit Thursday,
    suggested areas of the law that should be preserved.

    Trump
    suggested provisions that prevent insurers from refusing coverage for
    preexisting conditions and which allow children to stay on their
    parents’ health plans until age 26 should stay. “I like those very
    much,” he said.

    In the same interview, Trump also avoided
    answering whether he would follow through on a campaign vow to appoint a
    special prosecutor to investigate Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s
    use of a private email server while secretary of state. “It’s not
    something I’ve given a lot of thought, because I want to solve health
    care, jobs, border control, tax reform,” he said.”

    • Jennifer R

      He isn’t so much draining the swamp, as dredging it for appointees.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      He could just be trying to downplay so he can head off panicking electors.

      • Jennifer R

        Yeah but his transition team isn’t really one to inspire confidence. One spot went to the guy who gave him the most money, four went to family. a couple to lobbyists (A group he said he would never work with), and peter fuck the first amendment thiel.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          You mean Peter “fuck everyone who isn’t an entitled rich white man like me” Thiel?

          • Jennifer R

            The one and same

          • Carpe Vagenda

            a man whose closet has a moat full of alligators.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            I don’t even want to know what’s in that douche’s closet.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            He had a lot to say about how disordered gay people are back when he was courting rich wingnut mentors as a Ingraham/D’Souza style asshole conservative college student. He basically destroyed Gawker for outing him.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Those college Republicans from that era were a real laugh riot, weren’t they? And they’ve all grown up to be the human viruses that might’ve been predicted at the time. Quelle surprise.

          • pstockholm

            So what’s the deal with Paypal, still associated with him so a boycott would be felt? Alternatives?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Change the name to TrumpPal, maybe?

        • CogitoErgoBibo

          I still can’t believe Pam Bondi made the cut for that team. Apparently the bribe payments continue unabated.

          • Jennifer R

            When you know where the bodies are buried you either join them, or are savvy enough to parlay that in to a life time of grift.
            How the fuck did my auto correct not know grift.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            The grift that keeps on giving.

        • Carpe Vagenda

          and the overwhelming majority of his voters have never heard of any of them. I’d be willing to bet most of them aren’t even paying attention at this point.

          • Jennifer R

            I hope like fuck “Hired Lobbyists” Might be a simple enough soundbyte for people.

    • Blacktop Cadence

      Being a bloviating sack of garbage is a lot easier than actually implementing policy without millions of people hating your guts for fucking them over.

      Who knew?

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      “President Obama is a very nice man. That’s why I spent the last 8 years calling him a shiftless, illegitimate nigger.”

    • YoNastyBunny

      He hasn’t given a lot of “thought” to anything!

      Media, let’s call this what it is: The motherfucker never had a plan, and has now handed the reins to the Establishment types, whom he said he’d never be indebted to.

      Fuck that guy!

    • Delu

      Trump only serves the interests of Trump.

      That much was clear throughout his campaign.

      If those who voted for him don’t know that well then tough.

      As with Brexit, they chose, the COUNTRY chose.

      This was the result.

      I can only congratulate America for her choice….and call it one deserving of her….solely because it was a decision that her people, in essence America herself, chose.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        That’s profoundly untrue. If the vote count is accurate, slightly over 25% voted for him, and literally millions were prevented from voting against him, and that was with one of the most comprehensive disinformation campaigns ever staged (mostly) outside the Kremlin.

        • Rachel Book Harlot

          Looking at stats has helped me profoundly. The day after the election I was feeling like shit and demoralized, feeling like America had basically told me and mine that we were second class citizens, essentially putting us in our “place.” But after reading the stats, I let go of that “half empty glass” and looked at the “half full glass” — the fact that many, many, many Americans rejected Trump and Bannon’s ideals. I have to keep reminding myself of that every day.

          And a side note, another nice thing was the Mayor of NYC saying that NYC will put up a resistance — he is going to resist any possible attempts at deportations, and that everything will be done to protect Muslim Americans in our city. I nope this is true.

      • The majority of the minority of voters

        • Pinkham’s Law

          Not accurate. She won the popular vote, so he won with a minority of the minority that voted. Remember that. Remind them, everytime they say, or act like, “We won, so we have a mandate.”

          • I stand corrected. 120 million voters out of 219 million eligible voters makes for a majority of votes cast.

    • Msgr_Moment

      I’d like to plant this earworm over there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

    • mancityhombres

      “Trump said he came to the conclusion after Obama, during Trump’s Oval Office visit Thursday, suggested areas of the law that should be preserved.”

      • Msgr_Moment

        Well, of course the soshulist is going to say that.

        • mancityhombres

          I’m thinking Trump came to understand that Obama is a bigger and better man than himself. I don’t throw around terms like “beta” as a matter of practice, but Trump meeting Obama is and should be shown as a true beta meeting an alpha.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Trump always acts like a sniveling little asslicker around people he can’t bully. Remember the black preacher woman in Detroit? Classic sociopath behavior.

          • Carpe Vagenda

            Which is most likely why President Wormtongue is so popular with the alts.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            And Putin.

          • Paperless Tiger

            Alpha/beta obsession meets brain.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      Trump changes his mind as often as he changes his shorts. I don’t trust anything that comes out of his mouth. So it may seem likes he’s backtracking on some of these things, but I won’t believe it until these things actually don’t come to pass.

  • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

    “Trouble rather the Tigress in her lair, than the sage amongst her books.

    For, to you Kings and Empires are things mighty and enduring, but to her, they are the toys of the moment, overturned by the flick of a finger.”

  • DahBoner
  • NastyBossetti

    I woke up with this song in my head.
    https://youtu.be/tB4Avdlz3lk

  • WampusKat

    In case you forgot, there was also a WWII in which Americans fought the world’s greatest evil and won. Then in Nov. 2016 Americans handed those very fascists control over the entirety of government (with much help from the religious right – those “unseen voters” I’ve warned you idiots about since 2010). Why? Because the left is apparently too stupid to recognize fascists when they stare you in the face or recognize propaganda when they spew it: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42436_The_Convergence_of_Glenn_Greenwald_and_Rand_Pauls_Southern_Avenger

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4da9c3d88fe7ad071b6c4124980e07031a054477accd03e8e8311012f6aebaff.png

    Do you remember how many times I told you to tell the fucking truth about Libertarian scumbag Glenn Greenwald? http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/11/dark-side-of-paul-phenomenon.html

    Now you want to “protest” fascists? The time for protest was day 1 of Tea Party Nation back in 2009. You should have been protesting them, NOT Obama.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Greenwald and Assange are culo y camisa. They don’t give a fuck about anything beyond their own self-aggrandizement.

      • NastyBossetti

        What does culo y camisa mean? I thought I knew what the words meant, but either I’m wrong, or something is lost in translation.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          “Ass and shirt”. It’s Mexican/Italian slang for, like “peas in a pod”. But in a bad way.

          • NastyBossetti

            haha ok that’s what I thought. Just didn’t know it was an idiom. Thanks!

    • Paperless Tiger

      They should have known. They messed up the election, so now we gotta go out and march around. Damn it!

  • mancityhombres

    relevant, even today:
    “If the current polls are reliable… Nixon will be re-elected by a huge majority of Americans who feel he is not only more honest and more trustworthy than George McGovern, but also more likely to end the war in Vietnam. The polls also indicate that Nixon will get a comfortable majority of the Youth Vote. And that he might carry all fifty states… This may be the year when we finally come face to face with ourselves; finally just lay back and say it — that we are really just a nation of 220 million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns, and no qualms at all about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable. The tragedy of all this is that George McGovern, for all his mistakes… understands what a fantastic monument to all the best instincts of the human race this country might have been, if we could have kept it out of the hands of greedy little hustlers like Richard Nixon. McGovern made some stupid mistakes, but in context they seem almost frivolous compared to the things Richard Nixon does every day of his life, on purpose… Jesus! Where will it end? How low do you have to stoop in this country to be President?”
    Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail, ’72
    Dr. Thompson

  • Señor Skwerl!
    • Rick Hill

      I laughed….Thanks

    • Kateaux

      That squirrel, as is it now (stuffed and on display somewhere), is one of the many, many things that would make a better president than Pussy Grabber.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    https://mobile.twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/797130423922999296

    Meanwhile, on MSGOP, some rando “data reporter” just dispiritedly recited talking points about The Meaning of Clinton underperforming Obama with minorities without mentioning that some folks weren’t allowed to vote this time.

    It’s ironical. The soviets used to think of the dispossessed as their growth market.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      I think it needs to be changed to “grift will make you free”.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        “Free is what I can get you for now”

      • Rick Hill

        I think camp Pence is better. He’s the one that will send more there than trump would. I think trump’s revenge is more public humiliation. Pence would lock them up and work them till they die

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          But he would offer free Gay Conversion Therapy and Sunday night bingo. It’s not all bad.

          • Rick Hill

            And then work them till they died

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Well…duh!

  • mancityhombres

    I hurt from this election. Not for myself. As a cis white, early 40s male, the only way Trump “policies” will hurt me is in my trade skills blue collar job.
    I’ll be honest, when I think of all the people his, and the republican’s, policies can hurt? I go into overload. Too much and I just shut down. I can’t even. This is coming from a guy who loves the 5-7 minute commute because no more highway, so no more seeing roadkill.
    I just can’t. If I stop and think about it, I’ll never come out of the spiral.
    For all of you that are scared and worried, trust me, I’m right there alongside you.
    For all of you that want to vent, share, criticize, whatever…
    corey business (at) hotmail (dot) com
    I don’t check it often, but I will answer.

    • Anna Elizabeth, Chief Engineer

      checking in…

      • mancityhombres

        no spaces and hotmail is slow as fuck to get new emails.
        meanwhile, somehow, I get emails from “princess Zenab Warlord”

  • Pinkham’s Law

    Wooke up to a thread on FB with a bunch of 50somethings sounding like Archie Bunker regarding the protests. “They lost, deal with it.” “Bunch of spoiled college brats need to go back to class.” “Suck it up – this is how it works.”

    So, I just had to stick my oar in the water:

    This
    was not a normal election. Realistically, there are many reasons to
    protest the election results. From probable Russian involvement against
    one side, to the many fewer polling places in areas likely to vote Dem,
    to the FBI’s shocking, unprecedented decision to throw an
    unsubstantiated hand grenade 11 days before the election . Add in
    frustration over the fact that Hillary won the popular vote, and I think
    it’s understandable why people are upset, and being vocal and visible
    in expressing that. They aren’t going to get the Electoral College to
    vote differently, but they have a right to make their dissatisfaction
    heard.

    • mancityhombres

      I would rather live next to Archie than most of these people.

    • NastyBossetti

      Not to mention that a lot of people are not only protesting because of losing an election, but because of the fear they rightfully feel because these results are an endorsement of bigotry, which has made some hateful assholes believe that harassment, intimidation, and physical violence against people who are different than they are are all now socially acceptable.

      • mancityhombres

        I’ve been reading some news and a lot of the comments (when allowed) have been taken over by the alt right trollers.
        It’s fucking scary.

        • Resistance Fighter Astraea

          They legit feel they have won the right to silence anyone who disagrees with them.

          • mancityhombres

            and now I really miss the cricket bat (of votes) I left behind

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Not just socially. Legally. Now that national law enforcement groups have ratified Trump’s rhetoric, why would these alt assholes not assume that nobody’s going to stop them?

        • NastyBossetti

          I hesitated to say legally ONLY because there are still laws against things like assault. It’s a technicality, I know.

          • Paperless Tiger

            Selective enforcement is a hallmark of fascism.

          • NastyBossetti

            Fair enough.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      A lot more measured and coherent than I’ve been of late, spoiling for a fight as I am. I’m not proud of that, btw.

      • Rick Hill

        Anger is an energy. Just contain it and effectively direct it.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          I’ve been nice to my dog. Does that count? Wait…”who’sagoodgirrrllll?”. Yes, it counts.

          • Rick Hill

            Back when I was younger and more naive and carefree, old boss looked at the project he had given me. A carved peice that:
            A. We never did carvings.
            B. The example was to adapt an existing style from a manufactured mantle, these were nowhere near enough to directly use so it had to be made up.
            I was taking too much time he said such. I got a little ticked as I was conscientious in my work so I got angyr and then directed it into my work, started making chips fly left and right. It ultimately turned out better than my measured work would have.

            Like that way. But keep scratching your dog, I knw she desrerves it.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Speaking of woodworking, I’ve been REALLY cautious, distracted as I am, about not doing grievous injury to myself. Spinning sawblades don’t care who’s president.

          • Rick Hill

            One small nick makes you cautious the rest of your career

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            The worst injury I’ve ever suffered was decades ago and, oddly enough, not power tool related. Thought I’d pare a piece of cherry just a tad with a freshly sharpened chisel while I held it with my other arm. Slipped and put the chisel nearly all the way through left my palm. The burned hand does indeed remember best.

          • Paperless Tiger

            Take your time. Power tools save you hours. Spend a few minutes on safety.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Oh, I do, thanks. Been at this my whole life and still have all my digits…knock on wood. I’m extremely conscious of safety, plus I’ve learned how to step away if I’m feel too distracted.

    • ViveLaRevolution

      The demonstration here in St Augustine was not so much protesting the election outcome, which is a done deal, as the incidents of hate crimes…a way to let the haters know that we stand with those they target. It will be important for us white people to stand next to our POC and LGBTQ bothers and sisters, to demonstrate that hate is still not an American value.

      • Paperless Tiger

        We have to do that now.

      • Pinkham’s Law

        There is also that, too. However, I was in a FB thread where 5 & 6 word sentences were “long” responses. I thought being succinct was more important than being thorough.

    • Rachel Book Harlot

      I heard my boss on the phone yesterday telling someone that the protesters have nothing better to do. It made me so angry, but I had to keep a straight face and pretend it didn’t bother me.

  • Rick Hill

    A little humor, maybe funny in a sad way, though
    http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aYKg6Km_460sv.mp4

  • The only Vonnegut Trump deserves is having to watch the movie SLAPSTICK (OF ANOTHER KIND) being played on a loop.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6541b9054e1f0d626f7f02abe7586e5c3c6487f3ce79ff8dd8e01c9bdbc7f429.jpg

    • doktorzoom

      Pretty sure the 8th amendment bars that.

  • bookish

    Watching Rachel yesterday, a clip of the press trying to get answers from Trump. He dismissed their questions, and the press backed off. It has begun.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    In trying to find a ray of sanity in this shitshow, I occasionally tell myself, now that they’ve won, at least I won’t have to listen to Republicans whinge about_____(fill in the blank). But of course, as usual, I’m dead wrong. They will always be victims. Even when they control all branches of government and the thoughts and actions of everyone in the country, they’ll still be the ones under the imaginary tyrant’s boot heel.

    • Rick Hill

      Remember when Bush first came in and they commenced to beating their opponents while they were down? Well, they were also very measured and civil by contrast to today. Of course, now they are already starting to fight and squabble like hyenas at a zebra carcass

    • bookish

      Baby Trump’s first tweet, as the soon to be most powerful man in the world: so unfair!

  • Rick Hill

    One thing to say here, an observation. These very fine people that are conservatives and christian, they like to think of the ants and the grasshopper story. How industry is what gets you through this life. They, however forget that the ants let the grasshopper in with them in the winter and fed and clothed him. This current crop are perfectly happy to sit by their fire and watch the grasshopper freeze to death outside their window, laughing at his misery the whole time. Even if that grasshopper was one they sent to fight their dirty little wars and came back broken inside, his home taken while he was gone and their promised medical assistance denied to him.(Tip my hat to the theme of this article in my little rant)

    • UnsaltedSinner
    • Carpe Vagenda

      I think maybe you have the wrong story here. In this one, the grasshopper changed the locks while the ants were in the fields and watched them freeze to death outside their own window.

      • Rick Hill

        Yeah. The folks with the most these days took it from the workers. And then the workers voted to pay the guy to change the locks. I’m starting to see just how stoopid a lot of people are.

    • doktorzoom

      Unfortunately, there are multiple versions of the story — and in the earliest Aesop version, it is indeed the version where the grasshopper is told by the comfortable ants “why don’t you go dance now?”

      Versions where the ant shows mercy to the grasshopper came later, and are of course liberal bastardizations justifying the welfare state.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    OT: Everything I see today reminds me of Trump.

    https://twitter.com/samuelpepys/status/797441397594923008

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      I imagine the White House is going to be a lot like Versailles and all the toady courtiers backstabbing and trying to win favor. Except even tackier.