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Actual wall will be built even more bigly big league.

America can’t agree on much of anything during this Cromforsaken election, but at least now there is a definitive answer to one of the great mysteries: Donald Trump is saying “big league,” not “bigly,” according to a cunning linguist who has done an audio analysis of the Great Man’s use of the phrase during the first presidential debate. It’s a conclusion that Yr Wonkette has reluctantly come to share, not that it’s going to stop us from using “bigly,” because it’s funnier. The New York Times explains the weighty issue with the appropriate gravitas:

He has used it to describe how much he wants to cut taxes (a lot); how much he thinks his opponent, Hillary Clinton, will raise taxes (a lot); how many people he says President Obama has deported (a lot); and how many more people Mr. Trump wants to deport if he wins the election (you get the idea) […]

Hope Hicks, a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign, said in an email on Sunday that Mr. Trump has been saying “big league,” not “bigly.”

We’re almost inclined to assume that if the campaign is insisting it’s definitely one or the other, then they must be lying. But thanks to Modern Scientific Analysis, we now know it’s “big league,” according to UC Berkeley linguistics professor Susan Lin, who “visualized her findings using two tools of her trade, a wave form and a broadband spectrogram,” which definitely detected that second “g” sound:

Sometimes the truth Hertz
Sometimes the truth Hertz

Dr. Lin said her findings “demonstrate definitively that at least in this utterance, which is from the very first presidential debate, there are three of the acoustic cues that would indicate to me a ‘G’ was produced at the end of this.”

Another linguist, Ben Zimmer, tracked Trump’s use of the term, going all the way back to at least 1993, and using it weirdly even then:

I have a lot of real estate friends in Japan, many of whom I have seen (this trip), and these people are hurting big league, and they think it is going to get a lot worse. (The Daily Yomiuri, Aug. 19, 1993)

The Trump campaign (or some independent swag merchant) is even trying to cash in on the “right” way to say it, which we’re betting aren’t selling nearly as well as “Nasty Woman” merch for Hillary Clinton is, because seriously.

big-league-merch

So why do we tend to want to hear it as “bigly?” Because Trump puts it in a weird place, says Zimmer, using it as a

post-modifier for a verb phrase that is particular to Trump-ese. As Mark Liberman noted, many speakers of American English use big-time in that role, but big league is far less expected. That peculiarity of usage, along with Trump’s tendency not to release the final /g/, plays a large part in people perceiving what he says as bigly.

So the scientific consensus is in. But we still like “bigly” and intend to keep using it, at least until rightwingers acknowledge the scientific consensus on global warming. Until they do, we’re going to insist that the controversy still isn’t settled, and in fact the push to transcribe it as “big league” is in fact a plot to take away our freedoms, bigly.

[NYT / Language Log]

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  • FlownOver

    Finally, something in Trump’s speeches worth thinking about.

    • Shan the Nasty Libtart

      Why he slurs his words so badly that we can’t understand what he’s saying?

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Do you really want to know?

      • onedollarjuana

        Did you really mean to type “bad league”?

  • Longstreet63

    I want to see the long form lingustic analysis!

    • Brendan_M

      Hillary Clinton started “bigly”.

      • beatbort

        You didn’t build bigly, Donald.

        • Lascauxcaveman

          Actually, he kinda did. And its probably the one thing about him we can wryly enjoy without also making us want to puke.

        • Brendan_M

          You’re just saying that because you’re a new media oligopoly.

  • AnOuthouse

    “big league,” makes no sense in the context he uses it in. He’s saying not “bigly.” but pronouncing it like a common Polish immigrant.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    Bigly still works for me… by convention… besides, his use of Big League is hardly any more sensical than bigly anyway…

  • Pickle Truther (AntiDerpomeme)

    Wrong or not, “bigly” will remain in the Wonkette Style Guide of People Who Wish They Could Comment, But Alas Comments Aren’t Allowed along with other past-campaign gems, also too.

    • OddMan

      It’s just like when we say hoofwanking bunglecunt. If you slow it down and listen really closely, we are actually saying Donald J Trump.

      • OddMan

        After much analysis, scientists realized that amazingly, it works both ways.

    • Brendan_M

      There must be at least five and a half of those gems, Alan!

  • Longitudinally Enabled
    • therblig

      wait, not an extremely tall rabbi?

    • Bad Hombre Ron

      That would be Sandy Coufax.

      • Big Boppa (BadHombre)

        I often get a sandy coufax after spending a day at the beach. I hate when that happens.

  • memzilla
    • Bad Hombre Ron

      Scariest thing Mr King has written in years.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        What a perverse imagination!

      • Lascauxcaveman

        Yah, King has written lots better. This one kinda lacks veracity.

    • Paganish

      The stuff of nightmares

    • Serai 1

      Trump is Greg Stillson.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    But can he spell it?

  • Oblios_Cap

    I calling “bullshit”. Bigly!

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      I don’t buy it either. The explanation is bullshitly!

      • onedollarjuana

        Or “bushly” in Trump-speak.

  • SuspectedDemocrat

    Presidential historians have entered a new field of study around the topic of what the fuck did that candidate just say.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    Fuck that noise from some “coastal elite” – he says “bigly” and we all know it.

  • Bad Hombre Ron

    What would Donnie know about ‘big league’ anyway? He owned a team in the USFL, FFS.

    • Paul Dietzel

      and then drove that out of bidness.

  • bubbuhh

    NYT should stop speaking with grabit ass about Trump cuz might activate magnetic lips.

  • I didn’t think that I could ever miss the last Republican asshole who couldn’t speak the English language, but by God, congratulations, Republicans. You have made me miss the halcyon days when your nominee was George fucking Bush.

    • MynameisBlarney
      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        …mmm nope. Say what you will about Trump, he (probably) doesn’t have a body count along with his immeasurable ignorance.

        • Bad Hombre Ron

          Yet.

          • SuspectedDemocrat

            And thanks to Trump’s own mouth, hopefully never. Bush was astute enough to get in a powerful position where he could really fuck things up.

        • Lascauxcaveman

          That was real menace of GWB. He was just lovable enough get elected (well, not the first time, but inexplicably, the second.)

          If he’d only been a little more outwardly reprehensible, like Trump, it would have saved us a lot of trouble.

          • crisptickle

            It was Bin Laden and his stupid video that got W “re”elected, not his lovability.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Dumbya was, well, dumb, but he knew his limitations, unlike the narcissistic shitgibbon now running. If he hadn’t been saddled with lunatic advisors like Cheney, Wolfowitz, and the rest of the neocon nitwits, he might have been a passable president.

        How did those fuckers get into control, anyhow?

        • Bad Hombre Ron

          I blame lead in the water.

          • NastyBosGrl

            Or whatever it is that causes water to burst into flames on military bases.

        • Whale Chowder

          Most of ’em were holdovers from Daddy 41’s administration. Given Dubya’s disinterest in actually, y’know, governing, it was easy for him to just roll along with the old team. HW at least had the sense to put the brakes on (many of) their wilder schemes.

    • NastyBosGrl

      Bush was stupid as hell and responsible for the mess we are still in, and liable to grab women by the shoulders, but not by the nether regions.

    • Good_Trouble_Yall

      I can’t say I “miss” those days so much as I almost long for the day when a Rep. candidate was simply stupid and ill-prepared, as opposed to evil, twisted, sociopathic, narcissistic, and liable to end all civilization through the use of nuclear weapons.

    • Crystalclear12

      Welcome to hole of lowered expectations.

    • Nasty Astraea

      W’s failure with language would have some charm to it if he hadn’t been President – and a disastrous one at that.
      Trump’s failure is just ugly and ignorant.

      • Bigly_Gnome

        Or, as they say in the Shire, bigly.

  • ManchuCandidate

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDWdxbw2Pb4

    Not many ways out of this Manhattan town
    You work in real estate and spread your name all around
    If you’re gonna jump it will be with the game
    Big lies and thin skin is the only clear lane to the bigly

    My boy’s gonna play in the bigly
    My boy’s gonna grab pussy
    My boy’s gonna play in the bigly
    My boy’s gonna make the GOP dead
    The bigly

  • Nasty Leftenant Anna

    Yes, because “big league” is soooo much more Presidential and Betterer than “bigly”.

    • Nounverb911

      So is ‘little big league’ his ‘little friends’ name?

      • Nasty Leftenant Anna

        Ewwww. XD

        I just flashed back on commercials from when I was little “Big league Chew”. bubblegum

  • beatbort

    Yes, but Hillary’s 12-point lead in the polls is truly Big League, so maybe he should just stick with bigly.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    No true Trumpanzee will accept anything published in the NY Times. “Bigly” it is.

  • cousin itt

    “Big League.”

    An idiom spoken by an idiotic American idiopath.

  • therblig

    i still favor the Natly over the Amerly in the World Series.

    • Bad Hombre Ron

      Had to think about that for a minute. Well done. Wrong, but well done.

    • Nounverb911

      The Natlys lost to the tax Dodgers…

      • ken_kukec

        No wonder Natly’s whore stabbed Yossarian …

        • Nounverb911

          “Help him, help him.”

      • Querolous

        Dem Bums! They thought Kershaw was the re-incarnation of Koufax. On ly problem is that Sandy is still alive.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Go Cubblies!

      • NastyBosGrl

        In a quandry… on the one hand, Terry Francona and on the other, well it’s hard to not root for the Cubs.

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          On top of Francona, we’ve got Mike Napoli, Jon Lester, John Lackey, David Ross, Coco Crisp, and Andrew Miller. (And Theo Epstein pulling strings.) It’s a frickin’ Red Sox reunion.

          • NastyBosGrl

            I KNOW! Maybe I’ll just enjoy the games and not actually root for anyone. Like, appreciate baseball :)

          • Arolpin

            Coco Crisp is an all-time great baseball name. It’s up there with Ferguson Jenkins and Milton Bradley, but Coco is actually a fun guy to watch. And it makes me hungry for really sweet and nasty cereal.

  • SuspectedDemocrat

    I don’t get what’s the controversy. It’s a perfectly Trumply word.

    • therblig

      trumpulent. like flatulent, only more so/

    • JohnBull

      Cromulent, even.

  • Tallmutha

    If you’re explaining that you’re not saying “bigly,” you’re losing.

  • Good_Trouble_Yall

    Okay, so here’s the thing that chaps my butt: even if he is saying “big league,” the context is incorrect! One would use “big league” to describe a situation – as in, “That’s a guy who’s really playing in the big leagues now.” One does not use that phrase to mean “a lot.” Of course, Cheeto Benito is stupid, bigly, and therefore his continued mangling of the English language should not surprise anyone.
    This has been your Pedantic Rant.
    The more you know . . . .

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      Hell, every third word out of his mouth is the wrong one, in one way or another. Some experts put the ratio even higher…

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      He’s fucking up the campaign, big time. (Fucking up “big league” doesn’t really make a lot of sense either.)

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      The brown gum with the nicotine flavor never caught on for some reason.

    • Gentle Robot

      I loved this stuff, but I never understood the reference. I was like 20 when I realized it was kiddie-friendly chewing tobacco.

    • Nockular cavity

      Nice dicknose.

  • Crank Tango

    We knew this tho, right?

  • limberrat

    I’ve been wondering if he was saying big league…. but I want to believe it is bigly. Either is a sin of proper English and is stupid and having a president that talks like that is moronic.

    • NastyBosGrl

      ‘Too many OB/GYNs aren’t able to practice their love with women all across the country… ” GW Bush

      I’ll take Hillary, thanks.

      • limberrat

        Nuculer

    • Suttree

      You know who else………

    • Good_Trouble_Yall

      “Seldom is the question asked: Is our children learning?”

  • ken_kukec

    You can take the boy across the bridges and tunnels …

    • JohnBull

      But you can’t push him in the water.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        or hold him under…

        with votes

  • Crystalclear12

    Slurred speech, isn’t that a symptom of several diseases!?!?

    • Nounverb911

      Especially Reaganheimer’s disease.

    • Bad Hombre Ron

      A stroke? If anyone is a candidate it’s the Rage Tomato.

    • Nockular cavity

      I’ve found it to be a symptom of several drinks.

  • Suttree

    Tom Waits says big time, Trump mumbles incoherently. Let us start taking bets on what he says that he said and not what we heard.

    • Waits is also “big in Japan”, Trump, not so much.

      BTW, I was at most of the Big Time concerts (from the film) in SF and LA back when, they were indeed “big time”. Some of the best shows evah.

      • Suttree

        One of my life goals! My goodness, I envy you!

        • Do it. Beg, borrow, steal, gas, grass, or ass…by any means. It’s theatre man. He did a wonderful tour several years ago hitting small venues in smaller U.S. cities and folks from all over the world were showing up for his shows inundating small bars and cafes…. the business owners didn’t know what in the world all of the Russians, Japanese, South Americans, Brits, etc were doing in their town all of a sudden.

          • Suttree

            Leonard Cohen was in New Orleans a few years ago and I missed him because my girlfriend at the time decided to get sick. The doctors wouldn’t let me take the gurney and a nurse. :(

          • Suttree

            I think I would just have to stop listening to music forever.

      • Tallmutha

        I was there in New York. I thought the film did a rather poor job of capturing the show’s magnificence.

  • cousin itt

    So far, the comments fail to have any cunning.

    • Shan the Nasty Libtart

      I’m sure we’ll get quite a few of of them lickety split.

      • TJ Barke

        But will they be satisfying?

        • Bad Hombre Ron

          Yes. Yes! Oh, YES!

        • Shan the Nasty Libtart

          That’s always the concern…

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Haven’t quite hit our rhythm yet.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        That vernacularity is now forever changed for me… thank you…

        • cousin itt

          Shan wins the Intertubes today.

          • Beanz&Berryz

            It’s hardly a fair race.. a self-identified tart is already half way there even before she gets warmed up…

          • Shan the Nasty Libtart

            Hey, now!

            Okay, fine.

          • Beanz&Berryz

            Of course, tart in all the good ways…

          • Shan the Nasty Libtart

            Nah, I can’t take credit for that. I heard it a LONG time ago!

          • Beanz&Berryz

            I am sometimes way more compartmentalized than I realize… this never even dawned on me, and I usually make lots of those sorts of cunning lingustical leaps…

          • Shan the Nasty Libtart

            Now that I recall, it was a joke about some Lesbian carpenters and their skill at installing tongue-in-groove flooring. I couldn’t even begin to try to re-tell it.

          • Bad Hombre Ron

            Ne need. We all get the gist of it… well, those of us off to our bunks do.

          • Beanz&Berryz

            Dang.. another compartment breached… two, if the lesbian carpenters are included…

          • Querolous
    • Latverian Diplomat

      It takes time and patience, but it’s worth it.

    • chicken thief

      Y?

      • cousin itt

        As is commonly known, we franca stand our lingua.

    • Nockular cavity

      Give us a minute. It’s rude to comment with your mouth full.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    It’s tough to land that second ‘g’.

    Trump often offers guests to his Christmas party a cup of “egg naw.”

  • Lara

    I think he was saying “Bigly”, then a big deal was made of it in the media and his handlers said it was “Big League”, so now he sprinkles “Big Leauge” in there sometimes. But I definitely hear him slip up with “Bigly” now and again.

  • TheGrandWaz00

    Weird, I’ve always heard it as…’I’m full of shit’.

  • mailman27

    I think the second “G” is totally a grassy knoll.

  • calliecallie

    “Sometimes the truth Hertz.”
    What’s the frequency, Kenneth?

  • Indiepalin

    Trump’s distortion of the English language has been largely underblown.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Given the fact that he uses so little of it, vocabulary-wise, it’s more of a ripple than a distortion.

    • mackafritz

      You mean overblown big league.

      • SuspectedDemocrat

        You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the big league overblows.

    • Nockular cavity

      I think it’s been yooooooge.

    • Stulexington

      I know right, what a fargen icehole.

  • Scooby

    So, what they are saying is he doesn’t even have the skill to add a new word to the English language?

    • Teecha

      Or indeed, correctly pronounce existing ones.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    If you say “big league”, but “without releasing the final g” – you’re saying “bigly”.

    • NastyBosGrl

      Maybe he means “big lea”, like a big field!

    • onedollarjuana

      But thousands of pho restaurant owners are counting on you filling in the silent “..ck”.

  • Callyson

    So Trump is a big league asshole, not a bigly one. Got it!

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “Big Time.”
      — Dick Cheney

    • Semantics can’t change the asshole part….

      I’ve always thought Trump was more than a little anti-semantic.

      • Nounverb911

        What about anti-semantics?

        • Latverian Diplomat

          They are all voting for Trump already.

          • cousin itt

            But they just don’t make any sense.

  • lucidamente

    Still not in the same league as W calling a NY Times reporter a “major-league asshole” with Cheney chiming in “big-time.”

    • Nounverb911

      “This is a bigly f-ing deal”.
      –OHJB

  • elviouslyqueer

    You say “big league,” and I say “bigly,”
    You say “Trumpy,” and I say “Insane tangerine-wigged fuckweasel.”
    Let’s call the whole thing off.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Dan Quayle hates that song so very much.

      • Bad Hombre Ron

        Yet another functionally-illiterate Republican.
        Is there a factory making them somewhere?

        • Latverian Diplomat

          Yes, I believe it’s called “the nations finest prep schools”.

          • Arolpin

            No, it’s ‘the nations 3rd rate prep schools for rich assholes who are too dumb or too obnoxious to attend 1st rate or 2nd rate prep schools’.

      • Serai 1

        People always point to Sarah Palin, but it was really Dan Quayle who laid the groundwork for Trump. Once we accepted someone with that level of stupidity, The Annoying Orange was inevitable.

  • bubbuhh

    Linguists should get a real job. Being a Trump apologist is no way to go through life. Ultimately, it doesn’t pay very well. Trump said what we heard. Trump’s magnetic tongue has embarrassed him many times, in so many ways. In August, he referred to 9/11 as Seven-Eleven.

    “I wrote this out, and it’s very close to my heart,” he said at the time. “Because I was down there and I watched our police and our firemen down at 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center right after it came down. And I saw the greatest people I’ve ever seen in action.”

    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/donald-trump-refers-to-911-as-7-eleven-during-speech-in-new-york-w203211

    And, there was the time he fixated on Detroit titties during his major economic speech 1.0, “and, by the way, titties like right here in Detroit.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJigwEikRwY

    • Gentle Robot

      Yeah getting a real job as a linguist is impossible

  • Gentle Robot

    If Trump is saying “league,” he has more trouble with terminal consonants than my 1 year old

  • boyblue122

    Its bad enough that Trump has an army of surrogates that go on TV on a daily basis to reinterpret what he says. Now he has linguists covering for him too.

    Trump really does speak another language

  • arglebargle

    #ImwithBigly

  • lucidamente

    A Big League of Their Own. Grab ’em by The Pussy. Starring Scott Baio.

    • DainBramage

      There’s bigly crying in Trump Ball.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Trump is doing for diction what he did for the casino industry.

  • Courser

    I’m fucking done with the is election, Bigly! I dropped off my mail ballot yesterday and now can’t wait for Trumpsterfire to lose, BIGLY!!

    Doesn’t matter that a linguist explained it, he’ll *always* be known for ‘bigly’.

  • MizzMazz

    Someone spent time and money on this? Seriously, ‘Bigly’ was cute, like when my little boy would call grapes ‘gapes’, and bananas ‘banowoammas’, but he was three.
    Not so much for a grown man.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Eh, it’s like the epidemiology studies using vampires. It’s practice and and media attention for people who know how to do this kind of stuff fairly quickly and easily.

      • MizzMazz

        This is all I need to know about Vampires:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv568AzZ-i8

        ETA, that and Forever Knight. Love that show, I am not ashamed.

        • Serai 1

          I liked Moonlight. Too bad the network didn’t want to sink hardly any money into it. They were just a hair too early to catch the “vampires look like normal people except they’re really sexy” wave that Twilight caught.

          • MizzMazz

            Check out Forever Knight, if you want to. I think that was what they based Moonlight on. It’s very dated, and has a lot of Anne Rice angst attached to it, but it’s something I liked. Don’t care for sparkly vampires.

          • Serai 1

            I couldn’t stand Twilight. Holy shit, what a mountain of offal. The only way I can watch any of it is with the Rifftrax on – then it’s HILARIOUS. (P.S. Moonlight was originally called Twilight, but by the time the series got on the air, the first book had hit, so they changed the title.)

          • Shan the Nasty Libtart

            I liked Moonlight as well and was disappointed when it went away.

          • Serai 1

            Now Alex O’Loughlin is playing a fucked-up arrogant asshole cop with an unlimited budget. Yeah, JUST we need held up as a hero. A fucking VAMPIRE would be a better role model than that asshole.

          • Shan the Nasty Libtart

            What? The new Hawaii Five-Oh is STILL ON?

          • Serai 1

            INORITE? I thought for sure with all the horrible police violence around the country, the producers would understand what a FUCKED UP SHOW THEY’RE RUNNING. But no.

          • Shan the Nasty Libtart

            I couldn’t even get through the first episode. I figured it was LONG gone by now. Oy.

          • Serai 1

            There were some fun things about it the first couple of seasons. I do love the way Scott Caan handled his character, who was just about the only fucking sane person around. I ended up watching it more for him than anything else, and then I got sick of the whole depressing spectacle.

    • Snark Tank, Bad Hombre

      Pisghetti libulz!

      • MizzMazz

        Oh man, does Donald say ‘Pisguetti?” He’s not even trying anymore for the toddler vote!

  • laughingnome

    What an uggleague man.

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      He’s in his own league. The Pig League…

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    ♫Can’t pronounce my Rs and Gs
    When I’m speakin’ Donaldese ♫

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Can we at least agree that some reporter from the NYT is a “big time” asshole as Dick Cheney said to the deserting coward?

  • limberrat

    OT: 538 has a great article on the fall of Gary “What’s Aleppo?” Johnson. Legitimately, I think McMullin is going to poll stronger than people realize since he appeals to both conservative Christians and Mormons horrified by a Trump candidacy but hating Johnson’s liberal social policies.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-went-wrong-for-gary-johnson/

    • Latverian Diplomat

      They really kept away from the “turned out he was a dolt.” hypothesis.

      Naturally that showed up in the first comment.

      Comments are great for things like that, too bad this site doesn’t allow them.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      Are they really liberal? From what I can see, he’s pretty much a bog standard neoconservative who wants to smoke pot.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Libertardians want to privatize everything.

        • Serai 1

          That alone makes them far too dangerous to vote into office.

      • limberrat

        Some of his positions are that can kill him with conservatives. He’s pro-choice and wants to decriminalize drug use. Within the RW christian and Mormon communities, abortion itself is a non-starter.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Because SLUTS.MUST.BE.PUNISHED!

          • limberrat

            Because abstinence only education totally works and usage of contraception is of the devil! If you get preggers, that is your own fault!

          • Serai 1

            But not the guy’s fault. Just the girl’s.

          • Shan the Nasty Libtart

            I know. I’m constantly getting pregnant all by myself. I wish someone would figure that out for me.

          • Serai 1

            You need Inkubus Off (TM).

        • Carpe Vagenda

          His abortion position sounds a little weaselly to me. He says he’s against it, but it’s settled law. He also wants to put the same kind of judges on the Court that Trump does. So it’s not going to be settled law all that much longer if he gets in.

    • bubbuhh

      Johnson doesn’t have any liberal social polices other than “Everyone must get stoned”

      • limberrat

        He’s also pro abortion

        • Good_Trouble_Yall

          Nobody is actually pro-abortion, are they? Pro-choice, perhaps? (Sorry, pedant hat still tightly pulled down over ears.)

          • limberrat

            Ok, I mean pro-choice. Forgive my lack of sleep.

          • Serai 1

            It’s a meaningless distinction used by wingnuts to make people who believe in women’s rights feel all slimy if they don’t toe the wingnut line about abortion being OMG THE MOST HORRIBLE THING EVER.

          • Serai 1

            Um, I am. It’s a surgical procedure. It should definitely exist and be available to every woman, WITHOUT restriction since it’s none of anybody else’s fucking business. Thus I am pro-abortion. Always have been and always will be. Sorry, but I’m not one of those liberals who’ve swallowed the wingnut bullshit about abortion being something to beat one’s breast about. I had one and was HAPPY AND RELIEVED afterward, and have remained so to this day.

          • Shan the Nasty Libtart

            Yes!! I’m glad there’s been a lot of push-back recently against the sackcloth-and-ashes response people are expected to have in order to “legitimize” having an abortion. You have an abortion when you don’t want to be pregnant any more and the reason why is your own, otherwise we’re back to pre- RvW when access to abortion meant giving the “correct” answer to uninvolved parties asking “Why do you want to have an abortion?”

          • Serai 1

            I’ve always been disgusted by left-wingers who fell so easily into that fucking trap. Jesus, some commitment!

          • Good_Trouble_Yall

            I meant “pro-abortion” in the sense that it is used on the Reich – that we want to FORCE women to have them. I am 100% pro-choice, but 100% against having a voice in any other woman’s decision.

          • Serai 1

            Yes. That’s why I answered the way I did. It’s a specious, meaningless term used to bully people into changing their attitude. NOT GONNA HAVE IT NO SIR.

    • Loki1001

      Gary Johnson is possibly the only person who could actually make Trump sound intelligent and informed.

      Although I do love his little libertarian followers going around explaining how, no he isn’t really completely incompetent and uninformed.

    • georgiaburning

      He wants to abolish the minimum wage, Federal Reserve and corporate taxes. He says the deficit is way too high but isn’t clear on how to reduce it. He is ok with gay marriage and legal pot which is probably the deal breaker with fundamentalists. Why do these third party candidate positions always look like a dinner at Hometown Buffet with your Uncle Bob?

  • Anna Rompage

    OT,

    As reported by TruthKings and the Russian TImes; “The founder of Wikileaks, Gavin MacFayden, has died from mysterious causes”

    A quick google search turned up reputable reports that he passed away from lung cancer and was surrounded by friends at the time of his passing…

    • NastyBosGrl

      Geez, here we go.

      • proudgrampa

        Yup. The Illuminati strikes again!

    • DainBramage

      Oh, sure. That’s what they want us to think.

      • Anna Rompage

        Looks like Hillary’s assassin, Ben Ghazi, has struck again….

    • laughingnome

      Well, cancer is a mystery.

      • limberrat

        Is that like magnets?

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Round up the usual pillows.

    • Crank Tango

      Did he die in the same gutter as Breitfart?

    • Bad Hombre Ron

      Right, ‘friends.’

    • cmd

      Well it could not have been because of asbestos.

    • Arolpin

      Hmmm, died from lung cancer. So probably either smoking, asbestos, or coal mining as a cause. Based on the fact that not a lot of tradesmen or coal miners transitioned to releasing poorly-sources, possibly-falsified stolen documents, I’m going to go with smoking. I wonder how many Drumpf supporters and surrogates worked as lawyers for big tobacco (and big coal and big asbestos, because, obviously, they’re Drumpf supporters, QED assholes).
      So either this guy died because he used a product that Drumpfistas know is only regulated because Democrats hate freedom, or Hillary used Obama’s Time Machine to go back 40 years and force this asshole to smoke. And if she did use Obama’s Time Machine, then Thanks Obama, and again, this is someone I want as President, because she’s fucking magical.

  • chicken thief

    Sarah Palin started it!11!!1!!

    ~ The Donald

    • Serai 1

      No, DAN QUAYLE started it.

  • bubbuhh

    Kelleyanne want Trump to debate Hillary Clinton one more time! HeeHee
    https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/790413133651251200

    • Loki1001

      Sure. Give Clinton yet another go to destroy him even more.

      • proudgrampa

        Then SNL would have to hire Alec Baldwin for another debate skit.

      • John Smith

        What have they got to lose?

    • Bad Hombre Ron

      Once again, repeating an action and expecting different results.

      • proudgrampa

        “Why, that’s insane!” — Albert Einstein

    • cousin itt

      “Squeeze it in”?

      That’s what Melania said!

      • Serai 1

        Well then, that woman’s hoo-ha must be MICROSCOPIC.

    • chicken thief

      Of course he’s willing to battle a woman who is on her death bed.

    • boyblue122

      They should debate the day before the election, Nov 27th

    • Good_Trouble_Yall

      Well, who doesn’t enjoy a good defenestration?

    • Bad Hombre Ron

      As I said elsewhere, she’s outlined her platform, defended the Clinton Foundation and given us her CV. In a fourth debate she’d bring out pics of her grandchildren and the slides from her last vacation.

    • limberrat

      Is this the one where he’ll call her a B*tch or use the N-word?

    • Serai 1

      She secretly wants him to be pounded into oblivion by his own hubris. It’s the only way she can cleanse the stain from her soul.

    • puipui

      So… Kelleyanne is working for the Democrats now, I guess?

  • FauxAntocles

    As much as I hate to say this, to be fair the word bigly is in the dictionary and the fact that he tacks it to the end of the sentence makes it hard to determine if he meant it as an adverb or an adjective.

    • Bad Hombre Ron

      As a what?
      – DJT

    • Crank Tango

      Is cockshaftfully in there?

  • chicken thief

    Isn’t ‘Hope Hicks’ just another name for all Trumpkins?

    • NastyCatsVote

      It’s his campaign strategy

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    I’m supposed to believe the Failing New York Times bigly? Nope.

  • Loki1001

    Trump has a pretty New York accent and speech patterns, and I try not to hold that against him. But his rambling and incoherent speaking style amplifies those to the point where he should be performing behind flashing lights spelling out “IDIOT.”

    • Good_Trouble_Yall

      Maybe Hillary will force a law through Congress decreeing that he has to take “Trump” off all his buildings and replace it with “Loser.”

      • LesBontemps

        And then after that he has to be her butler! That would be a great sit-com premise.

    • NastyBosGrl

      Exactly. Bernie has a pretty recognizable Brooklyn accent and it is part of who he is/something we like about him. Of course, Bernie is a confident man who believes what he says. Trump mumbles because he is a sad little boy.

      • Loki1001

        I have a friend who got upset because “yuuuuuge” is associated with Trump and that’s how she pronounces the word. And I explained to her that’s exactly how Bernie pronounces it.

        • NastyBosGrl

          If Trump were a normal human being candidate, we could find “yuuuuuge” charming, coming out of his mouth hole. It’s the context.

  • CountryClubJihadi

    I supposed he’s been saying “Big Tent” and not “Big Tits” all this time, also.
    “Phony Big Tents” makes total sense now.

  • Jeffocaster in the desert

    What he is really saying is “Fuck you America, I am out for myself.”

  • proudgrampa

    You would think a man with his money could afford a little speech therapy…

    • NastyBosGrl

      Libelz! Nobody speaks as goodly as Trump.

      • Jeffocaster in the desert

        Libelz libelz. No one libelz better than Trumpazoid.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Even in speech theapy, the first step is admitting you have a problem…kind of a hurdle for the Great Trumpkin.

    • Jeffocaster in the desert

      He stiffed the therapist.

      • SuspectedDemocrat

        And his therapist exacted revenge for that. Bigly.

    • Good_Trouble_Yall

      Objection: money not in evidence.

      • LesBontemps

        And it never will be, because reasons, bigly.

  • Nounverb911

    OT PSA
    Attention LA Wonkettes Major SIG Alert for the area.

    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/790586214361497600

    • limberrat

      Yay, not going down into LA today!

    • cousin itt

      Is even the 405 bigly enough for that plane?

      • limberrat

        If Measure M passes it will be!

  • Crank Tango
  • JVisconti

    So grab em by the pussy was really grab em by the poisse. In francois that means bad luck buddy.

    • NastyBosGrl

      I swear to God I had a junior high drama teacher named {first name] Poisson Pantalone.

      • JVisconti

        Theatre folks are known to have stage names, bur that is a good one.

      • Crank Tango

        Wow that was always going to be my drag name. Until I went with Ivana Weiner-Tucker.

      • eggsacklywright

        Fish pants?

  • Me not sure

    He may be saying “big league”, but in my heart of hearts it will always be “bigly”. I’m just sentimental that way.

  • Jeffocaster in the desert

    Hello Central give me Doktor Zoom
    He’s got what I need, I’ll say he has
    When the world goes wrong and I’ve got the blues
    He’s the guy who makes me
    Put on both my dancin’ shoes

  • anwisok

    I must say that I prefer Big Time to either bigly or big leauge.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUP4dCucVnY

  • bubbuhh

    Did the linguists also explain that when we saw “Major story that the Dems are making up phony polls in order to suppress the the Trump . We are going to WIN!” in a tweet what we are really reading is “Dems are paddling my ass with old tacos and I can’t wait to go home?”

    • UnsaltedSinner

      It’s interesting that he wrote “the the Trump”, not just “the Trump”. He does love the definite article.

  • chicken thief

    Well, if there’s charts and stuff who could argue?!

  • Mavenmaven

    A Wonkette Bigly mug I would buy.

    • Serai 1

      I’m surprised I’m not seeing more miscellaneous merch out there with the word on it.

    • mrpuma2u

      Believe me folks, a lot of people would buy this.

  • Royal Ugly Hombre

    So he can pronounce the G in “big,” but not the one in “league.” Sounds perfectly cromulent.

    • DT

      I hate him, and the fact that his lackeys had been using “bigly” for months before being “corrected” makes me think it’s bullshit, but it really is a New York thing to do this. The g in “big” needs to be fully vocalized in order for the l to come out right, but the one in “league” doesn’t because nothing comes after it; it’s the end of the phrase.

  • Serai 1

    No. I’m sorry, but no. That’s not what he’s saying. You can hear it quite clearly: he’s saying “bigly”. Don’t be trying to fuck us about, Trump dipshit shill. We’re not that stupid.

  • dslindc

    Did the professor’s analysis also pick up the coke sniffing?

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Bushleague!

  • samrockton

    so i’m hearing pussy but he is really saying something else

  • Ms Redgyal if You’re Nasty

    Teach the controversy.

  • Electric Ukulele Land

    Has anyone asked the candidate himself what he’s intending to say? I know, fool’s errand. Trump probably doesn’t actually know himself.

    In any case, if you have to resort to having linguists parse what he says electronically, I think we have what we might call a “failure to communicate.”

    I am reminded at this point of the 4th Doctor and the episode “City of Death” where he goes back in time writes “This is a Fake” in felt tip pen on the canvas before Leonardo Di Vinci paints the Mona Lisa and the concerns afterwards as to what happens when they x-ray the painting after it’s been recovered from a heist. What’s the point if need to computers to tell you if its good art or not?

    In this case, I don’t think we need computers to tell us whether this is good rhetoric or not.

  • azeyote

    why would anyone listen to his shit over and over to figure out if there’s a g hovering around the spectrosphere ?

    • phoenix00

      Because science. And science is cool.

      • azeyote

        not after listening to that for hours

        • phoenix00

          Hey some scientist has got to do it. Inquiring minds must know and all that.

  • CrashGordon1

    I’d actually give him more credit if he was saying “bigly.” Of course, he’s not cromulent enough to say “embiggened.”

    • mardam422

      Heehee. Cromulent.

  • chascates

    Yesterday, in Naples, Florida, Trump says:

    ‘We’re going to have a very much great country’

  • Ikimizi

    I’m reserving judgement until someone gets him to refer to Pence as his “collie”.

  • Mpeg

    I’m still google’ing for just the right photo to illustrate MY preferred expression, “Beagle League.” I even tried searching under “A League of Their Bone” and still got nuthin’~

  • Kooolest G

    from urban dictionary

    Big Leaguing

    Typically done when a person uses slightly relevant knowledge to demonstrate their superiority over someone. Usually intended to belittle a person and make them feel insignificant or “show them up”

    When Tina Weaver shows up and attempts to wax corporate-speak in a vein attempt to sound like she understands business, that is big leaguing. In this case she has little to no business knowledge but to the unsuspecting greeter, she appears competent and thus successfully big leagues

    • artem1s

      so Donnie is admitting that he will be blowing smoke when he makes everything big league again. just more showmanship. Not actual work

    • cynmac’s bigly nasty pussy

      Bigly is a word entered there too. Internet Official.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    Now that his campaign has said it’s “big league”, Trump will probably say the opposite any moment.

  • JustDon’tSayHombre

    Imma just leave this hear. I really liked this tune back in the day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoDDnOUKDQI

  • Jen B_VA

    Pft. I do not care how cunning this linguist is. Unless she has studied EACH incident of Bigly, separately, this is just one instance of him attempting to change the script.
    Until that study happens, bigly it is.

  • mrpuma2u

    That is some serious BS. Big league BS. They are BS-ing, bigly.

  • Sister Artemis

    My take as a listener: if The Donald is saying “bigly” it’s because he thinks it sounds like some old-fashioned high-culture word. If he’s saying “big league” it’s a hold-over from his carefree youth as a spoiled rich kid. Either way, not a tremendously great use of the best words, ya know?

  • mardam422

    Perhaps if Trump would say “super duper league”, we libtards might not have cared. Which we don’t. Bigly..g.

  • chascates
    • Nasty Anna Dash

      “suppress the the Trump”

      Yeah, he’s a Republican all right.

    • Paganish

      ROFLMAO

    • YayConspiracy

      Trump holds these truths to be self evident: He is down. He is tied. He is up.

      He has a velar pinch somewhere, that’s for sure.

    • cynmac’s bigly nasty pussy

      Now I am confused because the Fake Trump tweets are indistinguishable from the Real Trump tweets. Or does it even matter at this point?

      • chascates

        I don’t think he has that great a grasp on reality so either way works.

  • I hear both. Sometimes it sounds like big league, other times I’m positive that it’s bigly. Why is it not possible that he uses words weirdly in two different ways? Hell, Lawrence O’Donnell pointed out that he used “peachy-dory” the other day. Not hunky-dory. Not peachy keen. Peachy-dory. He is weird with words.

    • Hardly Ideal

      Not entirely surprising, coming from the guy who “has the best words.”

    • jmk

      I suppose that’s the same thing a friend of mine does when she mixes up “rocket science” and “brain surgery” and refers to things being “not rocket surgery” (which makes us howl).

  • mardam422

    If thinking The Donald said bigly is wrong, I don’t wanna be right.

  • kev

    I saw excerpts of the speech and it was definitely ‘big league’ but for a brief moment, I thought he was channeling Wonkette. Then I went back to being sad that I was watching a Trump speech, bigly.

    • cynmac’s bigly nasty pussy

      He enunciated more clearly at the 3rd debate and then immediately went back to his usual st00pidity.
      ETA – I too am sad and FML.

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    I always thought it was Big League, but I’m hard of hearing, so I wasn’t about to argue with people about it.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    Trump doesn’t just give away entire words. He’s going to hold on to some of those consonants so the lying liars in the media won’t have as much to work with.

  • Thorn Spike

    Why can’t he just say “big time” like any normal…never mind.

  • alnnc

    Great. Now we can start talking about Trump’s policies being little league. Or Peewee league.

  • Iam Reading

    Like big league chew? You remember, the shredded bubble gum strips that came in a faux chewing tobacco bag? Big league. Stupid.

    • cynmac’s bigly nasty pussy

      Still available and still nasty.

    • Roadstergal

      Oops, I posted that commercial before scrolling down…

      I had that stupid commercial’s song stuck in my head as soon as I started reading the article.

  • Don’t Grab Gosala

    “Science”…pfft. Just another UN, black helicopter, agenda 21 (and over), world conspiracy to deprive us of our …

    * adjusts tin foil hat *

    Sorry

  • Beulah

    So in this case the right is willing to accept the opinion of a pointy-headed, academic elitist?

  • YayConspiracy

    Linguists rock!

  • Candy Apple

    All this confirms is that he speaks like a ten-year-old.

    • revenant

      exactly- “bigly” is plain idiotic, and “big league” is childish, and to hear either from a once-viable frigging candidate for President of the United States is horrifying.
      n.b. i, for one, distinctly heard both “bigly” and “big league” in the course of the last debate.

    • cynmac’s bigly nasty pussy

      5th grader Libelz!1!1 Also too, Donald is NOT smarter than a 5th grader, bigly.

  • anon_the_great

    I’ve never been one to advocate the burning linguists at the stake lakeside, but Smoke on the Water doesn’t seem so bad now.

  • GnuDeal

    It’s slang from ye olde Manhattan, used in contrast versus lesser forms of baseball thus the metaphor draws a distinction in scale. Just more evidence trump is stuck in the past, really, but dialectology is neato.

    • revenant

      neato keano, buckarino

      jesus, the shit you learn in childhood that never leaves you

    • JurisGal

      Trump used the word ” corny” at the Al Smith dinner. It made me laugh. His look isn’t the only thing dated.

  • artem1s

    we hear it that way because the fucker is lazy. he’s lazy in every aspect in his life and started short handing it. for about 5 minutes in the first debate he actually enunciated enough that I realized what he was saying. after that he reverted to his native laziness and started slurring it again. Bigly.

  • PixieThis

    I had to comment and I’m sure other people have said this, but I hear bigly because his command of the English language is so poor. He doesn’t speak well nor does he have a large variety of words he uses. So between his word salads, his poor speaking skills and his juvenile level of wording, he makes it easy to assume the weakest word usage. But big league is totally idiotic as well.

    • cynmac’s bigly nasty pussy

      So whose word salad is tossed better ~ Trump or Palin?

      • ThaagNasty

        Dunno but both of them pair well with Russian dressing.

  • Querolous

    Hair Drumph is an Aryan-American, nicht wahr? He is saying “big lügen.”

  • JayGoldenBeach

    inhalation… inhalation… inhalation… inhalation… inhalation… – LoL

    • cynmac’s bigly nasty pussy

      inhale – sniff – inhale

  • bookish

    Bigly is funnier, so bigly it is and shall remain. Trump isn’t the only one who gets to choose his own reality.

  • Bigly_Gnome

    Donald Trump has destroyed my faith in so much that used to be meaningful in my life. You can’t take this from me. It’s bigly.

  • whitroth

    Maybe it’s because he’s not….

  • cynmac’s bigly nasty pussy

    Just edited my name again and at this rate, I’m going to run out of room for adjectives before 11/7.

    • SadDemInTex

      You left out vagenda

  • Idaho4644

    We did some further analysis on what comes out of Trump’s mouth and this is what we found: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d4171311b8ed3464c278ca33278320de1a41c0197f0b44c9e4e3fbb09793b786.jpg

    • phoenix00

      DUDE, somebody’s eating. BIGLY.

      • ThaagNasty

        There’s a reason we say “hungry as a horse”

  • Suse

    His former ghostwriter says his vocabulary consists of only around 200 words.

  • mml1996

    These linguists are WRONG. Bigly.

  • Bad Tom

    According to the Oxford English Dictionary, “bigly” is an actual word, although Drumpf does not use it in the correct sense:

    Related forms
    biggish, adjective
    bigly, adverb

    Historical Examples
    He was well made, cleanly and bigly, and neither too young nor too old.

    Character Sketches of Romance, Fiction and the Drama
    E. Cobham Brewer
    The painting was simply done, commencing with the point of interest, the masses put in bigly, the details worked into them.

    The Life of James McNeill Whistler
    Elizabeth Robins Pennell
    A Beelzebub; he spake as bigly and fiercely as a soaken yeoman at an election feast,—this obedient and conducible youth!

    Citation and Examination of William Shakspeare
    Walter Savage Landor

    ——-
    Actually from http://www.dictionary.com/browse/bigly because I am too cheap to pay for OED access.

    • LucindathePook

      One thing: With big’ly, accent is on first syllable; with big league’, it is on the second. They sound different.

  • Roadstergal
  • Left Coast Tom

    What I gather from this is that the Republican Party’s primary voters decided that the best person to hold the nuclear codes is someone whose most basic utterances require months and a team of linguists to decipher.

  • JurisGal

    Get out of my head Dok Zoom, I was thinking about this earlier ( the things that rent space in my head…) and pondered it during the last debate and posted about it : bigly, big lead, big league. ” My love is in league with the freeway”

  • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

    That second [g] is there, but the fucker isn’t enunciating, so it ends up lost in the noise of the next syllable, or his overly-loud exhalations.

    • E.A. Blair

      With his sniffling, he sucks that second ‘g’ up his nose. That’s why we don’t hear it.

  • Be Gin

    In the old days, when The National Enquirer was worth reading, they carried stories about homicidal dwarves, rampaging homicidal teenagers, dwarfish homicidal maniacs and pregnant teenage brides of killer dwarves.

    They would also include stories featuring scientists who explained everyday phenomena in unique ways. They always had some graphs and grainy photos which were the PROOF of their truthiness.

    It’s good to see that these traditions remain with us.

    Now lets get UC Berkeley linguistics professor Susan Lin to work on that homicidal teenage dwarf that’s been inhabiting Donnie’s body since the 50’s. Enquiring minds need to know how that little guy got stuck inside such a giant asshole.

  • ksoda

    I can only imagine that his boarding school friends said this as teenagers, and he’s been using this “big league” slang ever since. It was soooo cool in the 60s.

  • lovelydestruction

    Nice one, Dr Zoom

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