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Have you taken your daily vitamins yet today? I hope so! But in addition to that, I’ve also got a hefty dose of RED PILL for you. In the form of one of the most hilarious/sad manosphere memes I have ever seen in my life. It is a very serious meme about how feminism is evil and indoctrinates our children for the explicit purpose of ruining the lives of men. It’s super weird how we can do that and yet still don’t have equal pay and constantly have to worry that a Republican getting into office means we lose our right to choose whether or not to even have children to indoctrinate, but you can’t really argue with a meme like this, can you?

Since the type is super small and in some kind of comic-sans-esque font, I have done you the favor of transcribing it for you!

The boy says:

“I’m taught that feminism is about equality, that all women are innocent good girls who must be treated with respect, that I can get a girlfriend just by being myself, that violence against women broadcasted by the media suggests only men are oppressive and dangerous, that I’m creepy if she’s uncomfortable, a rapist if sex was consensual, a misogynist if I question feminism, that marriage is in my best interests and I won’t realize how fucked I am until it’s too late.”

Wow, this definitely wasn’t written by a man with extremely limited interactions with women or anything. He is definitely, clearly, a person who should be entitled to a girlfriend just for being himself.

The girl says:

“I’m taught that feminism is about female supremacy, that it’s okay to sleep with 80 guys and expect a man as useless as my brother to marry and provide for me, then divorce him for his resources and marry up, that I can make men my servants through “friendship,” be verbally abusive to men since it’s not a crime, cry “harassment” to get a man fired, “rape” if I regret sex when it was consensual, “rape” to cover up my infidelity, “rape” to blackmail men for money or control, and the justice system will always rule in my favor because only women can be victims”

QUESTION! How awful do you have to be to think that any woman who has sex with you is going to regret it so deeply that she is going to put herself through the trauma of a rape trial because she’s so deeply ashamed by it? I mean, if you’re that awful, it’s not surprising women find you creepy, or that you can’t find a girlfriend by just being yourself. Maybe who you are is awful, and you should work on fixing that?

Also, who is making men their “servants” through friendship? And where can I get one? Because my male friends pretty much never fan me with palm fronds, and that ought to be corrected.

Also, LOL “the justice system will always rule in my favor.”

The mom says:

And while other women are put in strategic positions of influence to favor women over men, my role as a single mom is to nurture a hedonistic lifestyle for my daughter, while emasculating a boy so he becomes a disposable slave to feminism. Now who wants to watch another episode of Snapped?

I do!

[r/AgainstMensRights]

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  • memzilla

    I look at all these anti-woman MRA memes, and the only thought I have is, “why would you want to broadcast to the world that you can’t get laid?”

    • Stulexington

      For all the pity parades.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      It’s weird. Do hungry people hate food? Do bored people hate entertainment?

      Why hate what you purport to desire?

      • Delu

        Tsundere?

      • Antonin Dvorak

        I don’t think they hate “what they desire”, they hate themselves for not being able to get it and take it out on those who can get it and especially those who give it willingly.

      • SadDemInTex

        Purport is such a great word. And an upfist for you

      • aureolaborealis

        Because they can’t have what they desire?

    • MynameisBlarney

      Because, dumb.

    • Jennaratrix

      I think they are hoping that us wimmins really are as stupid as they think we are and will fuck them to prove them wrong? Or something? Whatever, it’s obviously not working.

      • theCryptofishist

        I think they wish to start some sort of army of MGTOWs and rise up and take over, as is natural. Did their moms drop them on their heads a lot?

        • Jennaratrix

          I’m going with the theory that they would say mommy ignored them, and that’s where all this started.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Who’d have thought that completely offloading all childcare responsibilities onto women could backfire so spectacularly?
    — A manospheroid

  • Señor Skwerl

    that I can get a girlfriend just by being myself,

    Yeah, they are totally wrong about that. Women want powerful men, so I tell them I am Mel Gibson. Even Jew-womb-men flock to me. Totally alpha!

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Arse Grammatica

    Much much too many wurdz.

    “I am a whiny ass bitch”
    FIFY

    • SpareUsAll

      Now that’s what I call “getting to the point”!

    • Celtic_GnomePlorable

      Not to go all cuck on you, but I’ve always found the phrase “whiny ass bitch” a bit offensive, since the word bitch has such negative connotations for women.

      I prefer “whiny ass titty baby.”

  • Wes Grogan

    I think my head just put a permanent dent in my desk.

    Or is it the other way around?

    Wow, the room is spinning!

    • MynameisBlarney

      Just spin in the opposite direction, that ought’ta fix it.

  • Blender_415

    Is there a special uniform I need to have to be a “disposable slave to feminism,” or can I just wear what I usually do to Folsom St. fair?

    And that guy is an assbag, also.

    • chortlingdingo

      Definitely wear the Leia slave outfit.

    • one_who_wanders

      Best. Halloween. Costume. Ever.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Funny thing about THE TRUTH. It always turns out that I’m the innocent victim of the people I hate and fear who unjustly want to deprive me of what I am simply entitled to.
    — A bigot uncovers the secret TRUTH

  • Spotts1701

    The font choice alone is cause to ignore whatever this dimwit has to say. Then you get to the actual words and “dimwit” is too kind a descriptor.

  • Michael Smith

    Ugh this dude is probably so mean to his mom when she comes down to bring him a sandwich.

  • Mpeg

    .. But which color Skittles best represents your interests, dear feminist-bashers? I know it’s hard to stay relevant but try harder!!

    • Snark Tank of Deplorables

      Any color but Orange.

      • Smibo

        It’s the three orange ones that would kill us.

    • chortlingdingo

      I’ve never forgiven Skittles for changing my favorite flavor to nasty green apple. Green apple doesn’t even fit with the other flavors! Lime went with the orange and lemon, and now you’ve got this nasty sour apple flavor mucking up the skittle chemistry.

      I really liked the lime skittles, okay?!

      • Thiazin Red

        I haven’t had them in years, but lime was my favorite too.

  • Scooby

    This guy is fucked and he doesn’t even realise it.

    • Lizzietish81

      Damnit, wrong comment

  • (((yugemancityfootyhands)))

    sounds like someone needs a safe space.

    • Lizzietish81

      Show us on the dolly where the woman refused to touch you.

      • Stulexington

        Woot! now I can upfist it twice!

      • mml1996

        BWAHAHAHAHAHA – brutal slam!

      • (((yugemancityfootyhands)))

        I’ll be really really glad if he just doesn’t

      • cousin itt

        Everywhere, Katie?

      • grindstone

        You win. All of it. All.

  • DinkyBossetti

    I feel betrayed. I was never taught that feminism is about female supremacy OR that it was ok to sleep with 80 guys (grew up Catholic, so no one was ever going to tell me that). I was not told the secrets of making men my servants through “friendship.” And I make more money than MrBossetti, so I didn’t even get to make my husband provide for me!
    Quick, can someone give me some feminist tips to turn my life around before it’s too late?!

    • mml1996

      Umm, RETURN TO YOUR KITCHEN AND MAKE SOME SOUP – DON’T YA DARE USE YOUR BRAIN TO THINK.

    • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

      Those nuns were TERRIBLE feminism indoctrinators.

      • DinkyBossetti

        I don’t know. Sometimes being married to a ghost husband sounds pretty convenient.

        • Celtic_GnomePlorable

          You don’t want to fuck with nuns. Their old man’s got a temper.

  • MynameisBlarney

    I was just accused of retreating to my “safe space” on DU because I refused to engage in a collegial debate with someone that made assumptions about me and used insults in his very 1st reply to one of my posts.
    When someone uses “safe space” as a derogatory term, that is a dead give away that they’re an MRAWATB fucktard.

  • Shannanigans

    Well, damn. I need to hurry the hell up if I’m going to make it to 80 different guys.

    • MynameisBlarney

      I’m in Key Largo, just sayin’.

    • Lizzietish81

      IKR? I’m on six and two women and I’m not getting any younger!

      • Shannanigans

        Hey, it’s Friday! We’ve got a whole weekend coming up!

      • mml1996

        Do it like a car-wash service, gets it done efficiently (for feminism!)

        • Snark Tank of Deplorables

          I think I saw that movie. Hyapatia Lee, IIRC….

      • aureolaborealis

        What are you, 14? Jesus. Get with the program, lady.

      • sweeper

        You better reorganize your vagenda.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      That explains the “cougar” phenomenon. Those ladies are just behind on their quota, trying to catch up.

    • SeeTrain65

      “Now, I don’t know everything, but I do know this: there are two types of people in the world, two types of people in this room tonight. There are those who have lots of casual sex with strangers, and there’s jealous people.”

      – Ardal O’Hanlon

    • DinkyBossetti

      But 80 guys is just “okay.” Don’t you want to be great? Aim higher. Do it for feminism!

      • Shannanigans

        Do it for feminism!

        Hm, that sounds familiar…

      • Michael Smith

        Make Feminism Great Again?

        • Jo Mathie

          Hell with that, I’m building a wall around my lady parts when it comes to MRA’s

    • grindstone

      I’m not sure my husband would really like me to do the catch-up work, but if I gotta, I gotta….

      • MynameisBlarney

        Do it for your country!

    • Belasaurius

      I’m in Texas, just sayin

    • Señor Skwerl

      Come one up here, I’m sure we can round up enough college boys.

      • Shannanigans

        Ew, no!!!

        • mml1996

          I second that *shudders*

        • Señor Skwerl

          Fair enough. Polynesian man-servants?

          • Shannanigans

            I had no idea that was an anti-type for me until you mentioned it just now.

          • mml1996

            Hey now, you’ve got my attention…

          • Noxious1

            Nosorio?

    • Snark Tank of Deplorables

      I can fit you in on Tuesday.

      • Shannanigans

        Dammit, people! I wasn’t hollering “OKAY, TAKE A NUMBER!”

        • Señor Skwerl

          Never underestimate the horniness of the snark mob.

          • Shannanigans

            Heh!

    • wavicles

      How ’bout one guy, 80 times? The math’s the same, right?

    • Jennaratrix

      I evidently missed my chance; I broke double digits before I suckered some guy into marrying me, but I didn’t get to 80. I’m doing feminazi ALL WRONG.

      • theCryptofishist

        Oh, the MGTOWs totally expect you to still be working on this. Manipulate yourself into more chocolate and sleazy hotel rooms.

  • Vincent Ricola

    Every time the MRA says “marriage is in my best interests” is just a filthy lie perpetrated by women who are laying a foundation to divorce-scam them out of their $35,000/yr Help Desk Analyst I paycheck, a feminist gets her wings.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    You know who else said, “Give me just one generation of youth, and I’ll transform the whole world.” ?

    • wavicles

      Schlafly?

    • tehbaddr

      St. Ronny?

    • mwic

      Cardinal Law?

    • theCryptofishist

      Archimedes?

  • SeeTrain65

    Because when you really want to hammer a point home, nothing displays more sincerity than a joke font.

    • Vincent Ricola

      A font that’s teeny and written using unnatural colors. I thought these guys were supposed to be pros on messaging the internetz?!

      • Jamoche

        Self-declared pros, and just as competent there as all the other things they’re self-declared pros at.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        He couldn’t run it by his mom first, on this one.

      • theCryptofishist

        Ah, he’s been hit on the head repeated with a copy of Wired magazine!

    • QHarp

      There used to be a time when anti-woman memes were typeset perfectly in really nice fonts, but then the feminists started publishing their indoctrination textbooks using Garamond and Helvetica. Now all men have left is this and Papyrus.

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    These pathetic guys scrambling after validation somehow evoke for me that moment in Young Frankenstein, when Gene Wilder is trapped in the cell with the Monster and has to do some quick thinking to avoid being torn limb from limb.

    That’s when he comes up with the whole “Hello, handsome!” routine.

    “You’re a good looking fellow, do you know that?” he tells the Monster. “People laugh at you, people hate you, but why do they hate you? Because. They. Are. JEALOUS!” The Monster, weeping with self-pity, falls into Gene Wilder’s comforting arms.

    The biggest difference being, of course, that compared to your basic MRA the Monster was actually reasonably intelligent, not to mention relatively good looking. Besides, he ended up being really, really good in the sack. “Ah sweet mystery of Life….”

    • pstockholm

      Pretty good dancer too.

    • Snark Tank of Deplorables

      Zat’s because he haz an eNORMous schwanzstucker.

      • Slavakitty

        Voof!

  • MynameisBlarney

    I feel betrayed because I wasn’t raised to be goddamn Neanderthal.

    • mml1996

      I know, right?

      Damn, these feminists – making us treat women like human beings…

      • MynameisBlarney

        It’s awful!
        Having to respect people!

        • mml1996

          Yeah, I yearn for those days when we used to get married to a “piece of vagina property” than an actual female with feelings…

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Neanderthal libelz!
      — Alley Oop

    • SeekingBarbie

      Actually, evidence suggests Neanderthals took care of their weak and infirm, so….
      Neanderthal libelz!

    • mtn_philosoph

      Yeah, really. No one even told me there was a competition. Which was why I never kept score or even calculated any stats. If you were to ask me for my numbers right now, I would ask you why it even mattered. Some guys drove a whole lot of lonely, bumpy miles to get to the happy land, while others studied the map and then chose the expressway.

  • BeverlyCrusher’sWig

    This guy could’ve just written “GIVE ME WHAT I WANT” instead of all that chatter and saved everyone a lot of time and trouble.

    • Stulexington

      But then the whining would be obvious, even for him.

      • BeverlyCrusher’sWig

        He’s probably hoping someone will date him and not read the fine print.

  • JVisconti

    This thinking should spur technological advancements in blow up dolls.

    • (((yugemancityfootyhands)))

      yeah, but they cost anywhere from $5-10k
      or so I’ve heard

    • Lizzietish81

      Cherry 2000?

      Just be careful of about getting soap on her

  • Stulexington

    I feel betrayed because I can’t get away with the shit my father’s generation did. Jk, I’m ashamed of what my father’s generation thinks they should still be able to get away with.

  • Lizzietish81

    Damn, I’ve only got 1 down. I’d have two but I do like dick.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/80/4a/4a/804a4aa0413bebb42ed8026629f32d6d.jpg

    • Señor Skwerl

      You just need a week in a womans studies course. I hear that’s all it takes.

      • Ghenghis McCann

        “womans studies course”. Now, that’s a good euphemism for watching Internet porn. (Notes it down for future use in job application.)

    • cousin itt

      True Confessions: I like Ike.

    • Antonin Dvorak

      So are you practicing witchcraft or destroying capitalism?

    • Vienna Woods

      I thought his name was Suttree?

    • James Christopher Owen

      You like dick? What kind of lame-ass excuse of a feminist are you?!

  • Wild Cat

    I guess Teh Femimism is all dead because I haven’t gotten laid since Alexander Haig was president.

  • Crystalclear12

    Ok, so you had a bad break up. Listen to Adele, get drunk, leave a pathetic voicemail on your exes phone and MOVE ON!

    • mml1996

      Oh honey – I don’t need a breakup to listen to Adele…

      • jmk

        I saw her in concert on Tuesday night… she was freaking amazing.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Why is it always 80 other guys?
    — A Manospheroid

    • Shannanigans

      HAHAHAHAHA!!!

    • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

      Sign up for my PUA seminar and YOU TOO can be 80 other guys!

      • therblig

        does it reveal where the sign up lists are?

    • CJTX

      There was a great movie in the 90’s called “Fear of A Black Hat” – it was spinal tap but with a rap group.
      Anyway, there was a joke at the end (consider this is in the frame of rap’s misogyny):
      “What’s the difference between a bitch and a ho? A ho will fuck everybody, a bitch will fuck everybody but you.”

  • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

    Oh man, I am a single mother with a son and a daughter. Fuck yeah time to ruin the whooooole world!!!

    • Jeffocaster in the desert

      You can screw up one of each, lucky person!!

      • Jenny, Manocidal Vagendiac

        Right? Terrorists in training!!

        • Jeffocaster in the desert

          ISIF – Islamic Samurais In Feminism

        • therblig

          blig jr told us he had lunch from a halal street vendor yesterday and it was pretty good. now i know when he joins isis it’ll be for the food.

    • Shannanigans

      Same!

    • Jo Mathie

      My mum raised my brother and I alone after my dad died and she did a terrible job. my brother considers himself a feminist, adores his wife and daughter and is not consumed by bitterness. I haven’t reached double digits regarding sexual partners and I haven’t even been bothered to fabricate a rape claim. Lazy me. Thanks for nothing mum.

      • aureolaborealis

        Well, at least you’re aware of the problem. That’s the first step.

      • Shannanigans

        Like I said, we’ve got a whole weekend ahead of us to start catching up!

  • Jeffocaster in the desert

    So, sometimes things are superlative Sometimes they are the bestest at something This is perhaps the stupidest arguments about feminism since……….birtherism. Or Trumpism. It leaves me (almost) speechless. How can some people be so fucking stupid? Call Guinness, a record has been made………

  • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

    I’m baffled by “I’m creepy if she’s uncomfortable.”

    That seems like a valid lesson. The trick is finding a mate who is into your brand of creepiness. (Drawn from the course materials of my PUA seminar)

    • Vincent Ricola

      Agree. If she’s uncomfortable, yeah you probably are being creepy.

    • DinkyBossetti

      This is a real chicken-and-egg argument here. I would take the stance that his creepiness made her uncomfortable, but he seems to think her discomfort (for NO REASON) rendered him creepy.

      • jmk

        I took it as him whining – hilariously – that she blames innocent him for her own discomfort, defining him as creepy ex post facto.

        These guys have absolutely zero sense of self… or of irony.

    • Querolous

      Are they into bondage? Try to remember the safe word.

  • wavicles

    Do they even have palm fronds in Chicago or shall I bring my own?

    • Antonin Dvorak

      There is probably a Pier One in town that sells them.

    • Aquaria

      We grow our own down here in South Texas. Just go out to the front yard (or the neighbor’s) and grab one.

    • jmk

      If you can’t get palm fronds, brush up on your grape-peeling skills.

  • Stulexington

    He sounds unhappy, he should smile more.

  • tehbaddr

    Jesus fucking Christ on a Pogo stick! What the hell is wrong with these man-children?

  • anwisok

    “I’m taught that feminism is about equality, that all women are innocent
    good girls who must be treated with respect, that I can get a
    girlfriend just by being myself.”

    OK, seems good so far.

    ” that violence against women broadcasted
    by the media suggests only men are oppressive and dangerous, that I’m
    creepy if she’s uncomfortable, a rapist if sex was consensual, a
    misogynist if I question feminism, that marriage is in my best interests
    and I won’t realize how fucked I am until it’s too late.”

    HOLY WTF????!!?!? Is this the same person?

  • Wuulf

    Is that an alt-right recruitment poster?

  • Belasaurius
    • Stulexington

      Very much so.

  • grindstone

    that marriage is in my best interests and I won’t realize how fucked I am until it’s too late.

    So, strangely enough, my husband is married. Odd, I know. I told him that marriage is probably not in his best interests and he’s totally fucked. I suggested he might want to get out while the getting is good, after hiding all the assets, of course. He took umbrage. He, in fact, was a bit surprised and shocked and said he was pretty damn happy and would stay married, thank you.

    My feminazi wiles are clearly boundless. Soon I will be invincible.

  • mml1996

    Hey bro, reality isn’t a Porno – they won’t fuck ya because they’re a feminazi.

  • beatbort

    Something tells me you didn’t transcribe that correctly. But I KNOW I like your version much better.

  • Parchment Scroll

    Oh for fuck’s sake.

    There is so much WRONG here, and I don’t have time for it. Fuck that guy.

    • Shannanigans

      We’re pointing and laughing!

      • mml1996

        … and tipping my hat to the lady(or ladies) who had the decent sense to reject this idiot…

        • Shannanigans

          It’s not just the one idiot, though. All that blather is an amalgamation of all the whiny-ass MRA, MGTOW, PUA bullshit that’s been wanked all over the internet for years now.

      • tehbaddr

        Chances are this little shit has been pointed and laughed at since childhood, because he never got how to play well with others.

    • Stulexington

      I have to snark to keep from crying. Or go on a vote rampage … either way I snark instead.

  • therblig
  • Shannanigans

    Notice there’s no bag limit for the wimminz with OTHER wimminz? I guess it doesn’t count if there’s no peen involved.

    • Señor Skwerl

      Well, that means you’ve already met your emasculation quota and carry the dicks of the men you vanquished on your belt as trophies.

      You are then an Amazon! The most powerful of all the tribes in Femmerdonia!

      • theCryptofishist

        Besides, it’s just part of the plot.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    No doubt some women, somewhere behave as they describe, but that’s as irrelevant to feminism as using black-on-black crime to excuse the cops shooting black people.

    Women want equality, as do we all, and it’s called feminism rather than humanism for the same reason that it’s Black Lives Matter rather than All Lives Matter, and if you can find an instance of somebody using the movement to give themselves cover for something more nefarious, that doesn’t invalidate the movement.

    • Stulexington

      Also too, it’s hard to begrudge the actual man haters, we’re terrible.

      • theCryptofishist

        I have my man-hating moments, and they don’t make me happy.

    • James Christopher Owen

      Yes.You know, while I always got the moniker Black Lives Matter, I had to be reminded the other day why “feminism”. Virginia Ramey Mollenkott, in a “Letter to Younger Christian Feminists”, wrote:

      As such, we call ourselves feminists, but not because we think women are superior to men, or that feminine women are better than masculine men, or for that matter better than queer people or people of any other variety. We are feminists because weare universally egalitarian, and because girls and women have been for centuries excluded from ‘equal justice for all.’ In other words, we took the name of the marginalized and exploited gender only in order to expedite the justice that would ensure decent minimum wages, equal pay for equal work, opportunity for religious and political leadership, freedom of reproductive control, and the like.

  • Lark_in_the_AM

    If this bitter, self-pitying jerk wants a clue as to why he can’t just “get a girlfriend by being himself”, he should ask himself what self-respecting person of either sex would want to date someone who hates them and doesn’t mind if their potential partner knows this. Psssst – by the way, the answer is “no one”.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Even sheep flee in terror from someone this horrible.

  • Pickle Truther (AntiDerpomeme)

    Wait until that little boy learns about the Vagenda of Manocide. Poor dear is gonna cry al night.

    • mml1996

      The Vagenda of Manocide sounds like a document Feminists use to take an oath of allegiance

      • grindstone

        Well, now we have to kill you. Sigh….

        • mml1996

          BUT WAIIIII…

      • theCryptofishist

        Heavily based on the Protocols…

      • Noxious1

        Vagenda O’Manocide is my new drag name.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      He’d find out what being an emasculated slave to the goddess of feminism is REALLY about. Thanks, mom.

    • So nothing will really change then?

  • DinkyBossetti

    Pro tip: You can’t get a girlfriend by being yourself if yourself is horrible.

    • therblig

      seems odd (or maybe not) to be quoting bill cosby here, but i remember from one of his concerts, he was talking about a guy doing cocaine and how the guy said, “it really heightens your personality” and cosby asked, “but what if you’re already an asshole?”

      • Gentle Robot

        wait cosby said asshole?

    • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

      That’s it in a nutshell. Well put.

  • Suttree

    And now I have figured out why I have no balls. My mother was apparently a whore and didn’t raise me right.

  • Gentle Robot

    that I can get a girlfriend just by being myself
    There’s always this tell casually placed among the hate. These people are frustrated because they think they deserve sex and deserve companionship. They blame everyone but themselves.

    • mml1996

      If someone says “I deserve sex” – I’d have the strongest urgency to smack them in the head (with votes!)

    • Stulexington

      Pro tip: if a selfhating guy says “I don’t know how to talk to women” it means “I don’t know what words to say to make the sex come out.”

      • Suttree

        “Hey you slutty bitch!” sounded so much better in my head.

      • tehbaddr

        That’s why women she be push-button or coin operated!

        • Suttree

          Or blow up.

          • theCryptofishist

            When they make super realistic sex robots, will these idiots shut up and go away?

            Seriously, I’d love for them to grow into human beings worth fucking, but right now their movement doesn’t seem to be going that way.

    • Suttree

      It’s not easy to get into a woman’s pants (OMG pants!) if you are not willing to speak to them as the equal human beings that they are. *shut up! I know how terrible that sounds!*

      • Rufus T. Firefly

        Should be wearing a skirt.

        • Suttree

          That happens after you get into their pants! dur

      • YoBunnyBunny

        Agree. True story: I recently started seeing this guy who was actually in the “I’d Screw Him” category. Yet he managed to talk himself out of the class!!!! Evidently he thought that just because I liked him enough and we’d been on a couple of dates, I was obliged to jump ass first into bed with him RIGHT NOW!!1!!! And would I please stop being so “arbitrary” (yes, his words) about it… yeah… NO. Hell no.

        Every guy who has tried to argue his way into my pants, lost his case upon opening his mouth. One guy had already been in my pants, and tried to make the case that I should “expect” (yes, his words) to keep letting him in my pants!!! Privileges revoked on the spot.

        Yes, fellas, SHUT UP. When you don’t, you basically put it out there that you think her ideas about who gets access to her body and when is less important (or less legitimate) than your own ideas about who gets access to her body and when… That’s fucked up.

        • Shannanigans

          Exactly, and it’s not even always about sex. I had one guy try to ask me out to dinner a few weeks ago who I’ve known in a strictly friendly capacity online for a few months. I thanked him for the offer and politely declined without going into a lot of detail as to why. Next, I got back a list of reasons why I really should accept his offer. I had to read it a couple of times before I realized it was just a bunch of very refined negging. I had very clearly said “no” but he immediately started negotiating and explaining how I should appreciate that he was willing to drive so far to take me to dinner, and that as a single mom it must be difficult for me to meet people, and our personality types would work really well together and I should be more open to giving it a shot.

          My only response was to immediately block him.

          • theCryptofishist

            Okay, that whole idea that sex is a marketplace and that you need a good sales pitch? Unappealing.
            Note: I’m not talking about when sex actually is a marketplace, a situation that I am totally unqualified to discuss.

          • Slavakitty

            Oh, thank God, Shannanigan! This guiy sounds seriously scary! I grew increasingly terrified for you as I read you narrative until you came to the part where you didn’t fall for it. Trust me, this guy has memorized the domestic violence handbook cover to cover.

  • therblig

    where does “death by snoo snoo” fit into all this?

    • Stulexington

      In a box to the left.

    • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

      I’m in! For a while at least. Okay, probably not a very long while…I’m over fifty.

      https://youtu.be/6p0DAz_30qQ

      • Belasaurius

        That all depends on how much Vitamin E I can get my hands on

    • Suttree

      On a different planet. In the future.

    • tehbaddr

      At the top of the list of my ways to leave this mortal coil.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Note to Idiot: It can be tricky enough to find a girlfriend even when you are relatively normal. Trust me. You are not increasing your odds.

    • Suttree

      It takes work and style and not being a weird douchebag. Also, too be able to relate to a woman in a normal fashion as if she happened to be a human being with a mind and feelings. It also helps to look like Judge Reinhold. Or so I’ve heard.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Yeah…the Judge Reinhold look just doesn’t work for me. I actually have many very close female friends, some going back 40 years. *sigh*….always a bridesmaid, never a bride.

        • Shannanigans

          Not everybody has a type. I go more for personality. Yeah, I know that sounds trite, but…I’ve had “special friends” who run the gamut from tiny little “Fun Size” to well over 100lbs heavier than I am and totally goofy looking (and not in the Seth Rogan way).

          • Suttree

            I don’t have a type of physical body, but I have a type. It’s called smart and witty.

          • Shannanigans

            Exactly!

          • theCryptofishist

            All the upfists!

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Good to know. I’m pretty much the guy about whom they say, “uh….well…he’s got a good personality”.

          • Suttree

            When people say that about me I know they really like me!

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            You have enough personality for the next three people, my brother. I mean that in a good way.

          • Suttree

            Thank you sir.

          • Shannanigans

            Have you actually HEARD anyone say that, though? I mean, I have no idea what “they” say about me.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            I kid….mostly.

          • Shannanigans

            Good!

        • Suttree

          I somehow have most of ex girlfriends as faceplant or phone friends. They live all over the country, The relationships didn’t work out, and tended to end with things being thrown out of windows, but after a cooling period we realized that we still liked talking. Because that shit was funny!

    • melina1222

      I’ve actually posted to a couple of MRAs on YouTube when their videos particularly offended me, asking them a) if they wanted sex, and b) when they last had any sex. They go awfully quiet.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I suspect a lot of them might be 10 years old…at least mentally, if not in fact.

  • MynameisBlarney

    That MRA douchebag is like the antagonist in some stories that are about the douchebag getting dominated in a rough manner by a Domme that may or may not be a ridiculously well endowed MTF transgendered Amazon…

    At least, that’s what my friend says…yeah…that’s the ticket….

  • Duke

    I’m still not seeing how the MRA movement makes hot chicks fuck ugly losers.

    • wavicles

      Maybe if they just ramp it up, eh?

    • It’s called GHB or Rohypnol. The drug of choice when you have no real choice.

  • Citizen Emperor

    Ms. Pennacchia just took a cheese grater to some MRA dick. Awesome.

    • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

      That’s a neat trick too…ever try to grate something that’s so small it fits through the holes in the grater?

      • theCryptofishist

        Yeah, you really have to use those ultra fine holes, and maybe it ends up being a straight amputation, rather than grating. Please, someone post one of those “Make American Great Again” pics.

  • jesuswasablack

    “I can get a girlfriend just by being myself”
    Whats is so fucking awful about being yourself, I’m really confused? Gee I wonder were these fucksticks got these ideas?
    http://i64.tinypic.com/eskqaa.jpg

  • edith prickly

    Welp, I sure missed my quota of men. It’s been so long since I was single I can’t remember if I even cracked double digits. I guess that means son of Prickly is safe, since he’s being raised by a slacker feminist.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    This is just about semantics and labels. Women don’t want to be seen as “innocent good girls” (and stop calling us girls! We are not children!) but this guy insists on maintaining the archaic double standard that separates “good” women from “bad” women, which is a standard that men forced on women, primarily through religious texts that MEN wrote.

    Women are just “people” like everyone else, and “people” want and deserve to be treated with respect. And he doesn’t appear to understand the definition of the word “rape”, which is a problem with a lot of men. This is odd, since they do most of the raping, so you’d think by now they would have figured this out.

    What this all comes down to is the same old same old. . . a man who does not see women as human beings. This leads me to believe that he doesn’t see other men as human beings either. He wants what HE wants, and he doesn’t care about what anyone else wants. This is called narcissism.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Yes. I, too, am sick of this “innocent” vs. “bad girls” fictitious bullshit that MRAS and other menfolk just love to wish were actually A Thing. On a personal level, I have confused the hell out of many a stupid man because he couldn’t figure out that as a woman, I have complex and nuanced ideas about sex that don’t fit into the prude/slut narrative. If a guy knows that I’m open about my sexuality, I’m supposed to be open to all things sex. Sluts are indiscriminate like that and are willing to entertain all kinks and fetish because they don’t have any individual kinks of their own, right? And if I’m giving off the vibe that I don’t want to have sex, then I need a man to encourage and guide me to being a sexual.

      At the end of the day, way too many men think that women’s sexuality is created by and for men’s pleasure. That women can have their own identities independent of men is just beyond them, and yes, the result of extreme narcissism.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        It occurred to me when I was about 15 that a lot of men are attracted to virgins because a virgin can’t tell if they know how to do it or not, and it is usually NOT with these men.

        • theCryptofishist

          And a virgin is likely to be younger and easier to control.
          {Almost has rage-stroke thinking about The Natural History of Rape…}

  • It seems to me, that if you look at another person and all you see is someone to fuck and cook for you, you are really missing out some of the best parts of life.

    • Gentle Robot

      I don’t know, sex and eating are some of the best parts of life

  • Mavenmaven

    Those “men” sure whine a lot.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Whining?
      You mean “mansplaining”, right?

      • Grizz1y

        According to my thesaurus they’re synonyms anyway.

        • theCryptofishist

          Your thesaurus is pretty up to date!

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    An MRA is basically a guy who grew up watching/internalizing porn: you can see it in how the longer a conversation with an attractive woman goes on, the more he is confused and outraged that she is not already fucking him.

    • Grizz1y

      I remember when I was young and porn was mostly rather artistic still images. While Hustler was a bit more explicit than others it was no where near as gynecological as much of what’s currently available.
      Then when I gained access to videos they actually attempted to tell a story and have characters. Female characters even had some agency in many. Yes Emanuele’s agency may have revolved around her desire to get laid often and well but it was still agency.
      Now a vast majority of porn is just a woman showing up and being tricked into getting fucked by a casting agent or a real estate client, with the subtext that all women are whores. Slapping and choking are common, I’ve even seen a women getting it doggy style while her partner held her head down with his foot. And there is much more misogyny out there.
      As much as I like being able to get porn for free I kinda miss the old days.

  • Jen B_VA

    Once again, and I am being serious when I ask this:
    Why are MRA’s such big friggin wimps and cry babies about all this “women won’t date ME” stuff?

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Like I said downthread, I kind of figure it’s the result of young men growing up watching porn and then getting confused that, despite being a dead ringer for Ron Jeremy, Madison Ivy has not marched over to them and grabbed their peen.

      • Jen B_VA

        Ew and ew both at the same time

    • Jennaratrix

      Because women won’t date them. And it’s easier to blame us asshole women than to look at themselves and admit that there might be something wrong with them.

  • FauxAntocles

    More whinging from the theta males…

  • NoMore Moose

    You should get a million dollars for transcribing that so my eyes don’t hurt.
    Now my brain is another thing. I never knew I was raising my children so wrong.
    I too would also too like a male friend so he can do stuff for me while I do noting for him. Like be his friend back or treat him equally.

  • Dee Andee

    Memes with too many words are FAIL. Just like the guy who wrote it.

    • WhyFelicia

      Yeah, not so much meme as man-oh-man-oh-festo.

  • Jennaratrix

    Drat! Our dastardly plan has been exposed! Everyone, quick, to Plan B; put on your aprons, full face o’ slap, a nice dress and high heels with your hair did, and whip up a batch of chocolate chip cookies to greet your man at the door with, and also too a stiff drink. We need to distract them while we put together a new indoctrination program that’s a little less obvious.

    • Orion Red

      I’ll be there at 5:30!

    • Aquaria

      I’m not about to start doing any of that simply because some micropeen forgets his place, which is at my mercy.

    • WhyFelicia

      Dammit, Jenna, you said it was foolproof! I don’t remember how to bake cookies! I lost the recipe at my lesbian lover’s farm!

      • theCryptofishist

        Well, you aint gonna work on Maggie’s farm, no more.

    • jmk

      Don’t forget the sammiches!

  • Señor Skwerl

    PSA: Are you an MRA who can’t get laid?
    Could it be that you have the traits of an anti-seducer? (The answer is YES, multiple ones)
    http://hitch-closers.blogspot.com/2012/07/anti-seducer-8-types-identify-where-you.html

    Well, I will give you advise you won’t take. I find these traits to be the best for becoming irresistible:

    http://www.inc.com/travis-bradberry/11-secrets-of-irresistible-people.html

  • The other day was the autumnal equinox. But what we really need is a humanal equinox. That would make life so much more enjoyable.

  • btwbfdimho

    and the justice system will always rule in my favor because only women can be victims”

    I heard Nicole Brown spinning on her grave.

    • jmk

      And the whirling of 92% of every Jane Doe ever, both above and below ground.

  • TJ Barke

    That’s some impressive levels of paranoia on display there. I mean, I’m paranoid, but holy shit…

    • Ghenghis McCann

      “I mean, I’m paranoid, but holy shit…”
      Copyright that now, and have it printed on t-shirts.

      • theCryptofishist

        Does he get comped one, or is it a case of “He snost, he lost?”

  • mml1996
  • TJ Barke

    What is their opinion of men that sleep with 80 women?

    • mml1996

      A MRA god.

  • Loki1001

    That entire meme could be distilled down to, “I have no self-esteem and resent women for it.”

    • WhyFelicia

      “It’s someone else’s fault that I’m not happy.”

  • wavicles

    Well, maybe these guys should try dating men.

    • MynameisBlarney

      They can take turns “cucking” each other then.

    • Loki1001

      I got banned from Return of Kings in one post simply for stating I was gay.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Oh for cryin’ out loud alright already!

        They’re so fragile.

      • Shannanigans

        Ugh. We had a RoK troll here a few months ago and it was surreal. They’re apparently TOTALLY about “protecting women” and “raising virtuous daughters” and the whole patriarchal family values bit.

        Teh ghey doesn’t fit in with that any more than feminizism does, I guess.

        • Loki1001

          I like how they can only rationalize their internal contradiction of “MEN MUST FUCK EVERYTHING THAT MOVES, WOMEN MUST ALWAYS BE CHASTE” with the hilarious “biotruths.” A concept even they admit is complete bullshit.

          • YoBunnyBunny

            Yeah, like, “Men are inclined to rape things (and from, yesterday, WOMEN SHOULD BE RAPED), but women ALWAYS LIE about being raped!1!!!!”

          • Thiazin Red

            Also, they love to claim than men are such complete mindless slaves to their penises that of course they can’t help raping women around them. But, that men are also rational an unemotional, not like those silly women.

  • Dee Andee

    Sheesus, if women would just stop being all financially independent, and, not be able to vote and own land and shit, they’d have to latch onto any available guy and put up with his shit just to have a roof over their heads! We should totally go back to that!

    • WhyFelicia

      Hm, this is how it works in Saudi Arabia. Mayhaps these MRAs should move there?

      • Bear OmNomNom

        “Waaah, they’re all in burqas, I can’t see their boobs.”

        • WhyFelicia

          Ugh, I have four wives now and they are all, “How come you don’t earn enough to support us?”. Life is SO UNFAIR TO ME.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    It’s really too bad that all the angry masturbation is keeping these guys from attaining their rightful leadership positions.

  • Ghenghis McCann

    expect a man as useless as my brother to marry and provide for me

    That’s a bit worrying. Why would any woman expect to marry her brother? Yes, Cleopatra VII Philopator, I know you did, but that was more than 2000 years ago.

    • theCryptofishist

      And didn’t end too happy.

  • ViveLaDeplorables

    Worst Successories poster ever.

  • Look, son, I understand if someone broke your heart or you feel disappointed in life because you didn’t get to fuck the prom queen in high school, but you’re a goddamned adult. Have a shot of bourbon, slap yourself in the face, get the hell over it, and grow the fuck up.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Can I just, you know, question for a second the whole MRA/Manosphere/MGTOW/ whatever-the-fuck thing it is that our beloved Wonkette chooses as one of its recurring targets? Granted that this stuff is juvenile, contemptible and just plain wrong – but how much of a thing is it, really? Do many people – okay, men – actually buy into this horseshit as some sort of Falasafee? This kind of crap seems to have ‘troubled loner’ written all over it.

    • Shannanigans

      Sadly, it IS a real thing.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Eesh.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      The problem is that “troubled loners” form a “club”. Thanks for inventing the internets, Mr. Al Gore!

    • TJ Barke

      Oh, it’s a thing, and there’s a significant overlap with these turds and alt-right turds.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Overlapping turds…boy, now THERE’s a description!

        • TJ Barke

          Where does one turd end and the other begin?

          • Shannanigans

            Can confirm this is usually impossible to determine. I have changed a LOT of diapers.

          • Msgr_Moment

            Schrodinger’s turd: why can’t it be both?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Heisenberg’s Turd: We never really know where it is.

          • Boscoe

            Human turdipede?

          • Thiazin Red

            Pooroboros?

          • Bear OmNomNom

            Quantum fecodynamics. God, I love this place.

    • Nockular cavity

      The problem is not their numbers, but their tendency to swarm whenever, oh, a Ladee does anything in public, ever.

    • Jen B_VA

      Robyn mentioned the precise reason why yesterday. It is a thing, and there are those out there actively trying to cause harm.

      • Hardly Ideal

        I was gonna say… there are monsters out there. The worst part is they don’t have fangs, claws, scales, or tentacles; they look just like you and me.

    • Ghenghis McCann

      There might not be many of these people, but they sit in their parents’ basement Tower of Solitude and spend all day abusing women on the Internet. Any woman who makes a comment on a website seems to be fair game to them to harass. Fuck them, and not in a pleasant way.

    • edith prickly

      A friend is going through a nasty divorce right now from a self-described “nice” guy who is anything but. She drained herself to a shell catering to him for two decades and once she finally said she wanted out, he began rewriting the entire history of their relationship to make it her fault and painting himself as the victim. He’s a world-class manipulator and narcissist, but in his head he’s just a nice guy who’s being taken for a ride. There are lots of men out there who think this way, even if they don’t make a career out of bitching on the internet about it.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        Not to defend him at all, but those relationship rewrites can come from either side when the wheels come off the wagon…

        • edith prickly

          I know the full backstory – the fuckery is all his. Some of it would make your hair stand on end.

      • Aquaria

        I dealt with one of these “nice” guys who said that women are all liars and cheats.

        I told him first of all that a) everyone knew the biggest liars on the planet were politicians and used car salespeople, 95% of whom are men ;and b) that anybody who classified half the population as liars and cheats wasn’t a nice person at all, so maybe he needed to look at the situation a bit differently, m’kay?

        His girlfriend cheated on him, boo-hoo. I asked him if she’d done it in front of their kids when he was at work supporting her. Or if the boyfriends had called him, snidely asking why he wouldn’t have the decency to leave someone who didn’t want to be with him anymore.

        You know, the things that my mother put up with from my father–until she decided to stop taking that crap off him anymore and left his worthless ass.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        This, and a lot of not-so-scummy somewhat reasonable “nice guys” find their rhetoric alluring when they may have gone through a tough time with a ladyperson. My brother is like this. He went through a shitty spot with his estranged wife, who is admittedly no Mother Theresa, and he would go on some of those MRA-lite/anti-feminists screeds after she had got the better of him in court.

        He wanted to blame the courts for favoring women and all this other goofy shit when he was getting cleaned out child support. But that wasn’t because of FEMINAZIS. It was primarily because he was stupid. Very stupid. Hell, everybody in the family just marveled at how clever his wife was in comparison to him (even though we didn’t like her–“Yeah, she sucks, so WHY ARE YOU STILL MARRIED TO HER???).

        For guys like my brother, who are not especially bright when it comes to dealing with women in particular and life in general, MRA-think is very comforting as a worldview.

    • Consider that Breitbart is a hotbed of such … colourful … types

      • therblig

        as long as the dominant color is white

    • Marceline

      “Do many people – okay, men – actually buy into this horseshit as some sort of Falasafee?

      If you want to see how widespread this mindset is you need look no further than Brock Turner and his enabling shitheel of a father and the piece of garbage judge in his case. The Southern Poverty Law Center tracks MRA activity just like they do the white nationalists and neo-Nazis. There’s a reason for that.

      • Boscoe

        I’m actually surprised. I wouldn’t have expected there to be enough of those mentally-deficient asshats to show up on anyone’s radar.

        • Lara

          You have clearly not been to Reddit…

        • JMP

          Sadly, they’re loud and there’s enough of them to cause real damage; it was just a few years ago remember when they used death and rape threats to harass a good number of women into having to flee their homes for the ‘crime’ of being feminist women involved in the gaming industry. And we already had Elliot Roger, a mass murderer who was an MRA targetting women at his school because they didn’t want to sex with him.

    • Shannanigans

      It’s like the preacher guy in the article yesterday. They blather on and on about good Christian “family values” and how feminists are destroying everything good in the world, but there about 30 seconds from rage-kicking one of them in the chest.

    • Courser

      Sadly, it’s a thing. I’ve met a few in my life – they generally hang out in a mid-range bar being annoying to every single women in the place. If a woman is any kind of attractive, particularly slender, they buzz like flies. If a woman is a few pounds overweight they’re told their ugly fatties and shouldn’t leave the house until they ‘lose a few… or FIFTY, LOLOLOLOL’

      They really didn’t start crawling out of the woodwork until the intarwebbs made it easier for them to have their own BOYS ONLY clubhouse.

    • WhyFelicia

      Did you complain this much back when teh Wonket was a recipe hub?

    • Erala Contratista

      As a retired contractor and city worker (NOT in an office! A truck!). There have been and still are a lot of these guys around, brings back memories that I can laugh about….now.

    • jmk

      I encounter these morans in the online world a lot, but even in real life, you find a scary number of people who buy into this shit to whatever degree, from the ones who will tell you that there’s no such thing as the wage gap or the war on women to the ones who moan about how white men are the only really oppressed group there is.

      The opportunity to air this crap is lessened in real life, so that’s how they can go generally unnoticed, but I work in IT, and this bullshit is rife among the more neckbeardy of the programming staff (generally the fedora-wearer sitting in his car vaping at lunchtime).

  • Msgr_Moment

    It is a very serious meme about how feminism is evil and indoctrinates our children for the explicit purpose of ruining the lives of men. It’s super weird how we can do that and yet still don’t have equal pay and constantly have to worry that a Republican getting into office means we lose our right to choose whether or not to even have children to indoctrinate…

    It’s called a ‘tradeoff’.

  • calliecallie

    Marrying up? Is this a thing? I guess I missed that memo.

    • Shannanigans

      Yes. I believe they call it hypergamy. I shit you not.

      • therblig

        and I always thought that it is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife.

        • MississippiLefty

          Also from Austen: Nobody minds having what is too good for them.

          We all want to marry up. We all try to “marry” someone who is smarter, or better looking, or has a better relationship with their parents, or is more cultured, or less socially awkward or WHATEVER it is we think we lack.

          • theCryptofishist

            A friend and I have a hypothesis that those marriages in which both partners believe they have married up are the happiest.

          • MississippiLefty

            It is indeed one of the traits of my happy marriage!

          • SeekingBarbie

            Not me. If I ever married (which seems unlikely at this point in my life), I’d want to marry lateral.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        I learned a word today…

      • Bear OmNomNom

        Nah, that’s the smell of their room in Mom’s basement.

    • Courser

      Yes, and I find it disgusting.

    • Berkeleybear94

      It was definitely a conspiracy theory for a long time (every woman is a potential gold digger after all). Along with the notion women went to college to get an MRS degree (which you didn’t hear many people claim at Cal, but definitely heard about women at places like BYU).

  • calliecallie

    You know who else wanted to indoctrinate children?

    • Msgr_Moment

      Barney?

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      The Boy Scouts?

    • Ima Witstüp

      Jonas Salk? No, wait. Never mind.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        And voila!!: Autism!

        • sweeper

          This post just gave me Autism.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Hopefully, a good faith-based therapist can beat it out of you.

          • sweeper

            I can’t seem to get an appointment!

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Damned Obamacare!

    • edith prickly

      The Teletubbies?

    • WhyFelicia

      Lamb Chop?

      • Hardly Ideal

        Ugh, that bitch tried to convince me that I should mind my manners and wash my hands.

        • therblig

          that song never ends, does it?

        • Bear OmNomNom

          I’m still working in that goddamn button factory, to this day. At least Flo managed to get out and start selling insurance…

    • JMP

      Yoda?

    • Bear OmNomNom

      G.I. Joe?

    • theCryptofishist

      The Catholic Church, starring the Spanish Inquisition?

  • SeekingBarbie

    Popular culture doesn’t help with platitudes like you deserve to be loved and there’s someone for everyone. They feed a sense of entitlement and expectation that can feel unfair and cruel when the promised result isn’t delivered. People don’t “deserve” to be loved and there is no magic match rule guarantee. Some of us, for any number of blameworthy-or-not reasons, don’t get our heart’s desire, and can either wallow in the disappointment or decide to get on with living our best life.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIAEAVKcKrs

    • Courser

      I’ve had to work through those issues in my life. It’s difficult, hard work but well worth it. I’m now in my late 50’s, single, never married, no kids. It’s unusual, but becoming more common. Not so many of us in my age group. But I’ve also lived an incredible life, had my share of lovers over the years and am probably happier than I’ve ever been.

      Food for thought

      Being alone doesn’t mean you’re lonely.

    • sweeper

      This is deep. Haven’t posted in a while, as I’m back in the maelstrom of school, but had to unlurk for this! So “deserving love,” for adults, is indeed a fallacy. Children raised with unconditional love are more equipped to live with this, to actually identify love. The MRA confuses not only sex with love, not only sex with power, but love with power. It’s a marker of the sociopath. These guys should all be on no-fly lists, watch lists, whatever. Oh yeah, they shouldn’t be allowed to have guns either, LOL. But hey, they’re mainly white, so it’s cool.

    • Berkeleybear94

      Not only that, if you are (like me) blessed/cursed with a default set to fairly analytical and black/white thinking (good for doing well on law school exams and engineering specs, not so good for life in general) you may lunge at the first person who seems like “the one” and cling to them in a way that does a disservice to both you and them. Built out of an irrational fear that if you don’t have them you will be no one, and if they leave you (which they will if they have a strong sense of self and you don’t figure your shit out) you are a loser.

      Recognizing that all that shit was in my head took me way too long and cost me way too much. I still struggle with it, and with finding my good place consistently, but when I look at these sad motherfuckers I do feel a little better about myself.

  • Marceline

    Remember when guys this pathetic would just work through it by getting a $20 hand job behind the Walmart. Now they’re writing fanfiction.

  • SadDemInTex

    You know,the world was a little less disgusting before social media. On the other hand, know thy enemy.

    • I think it was more that before social media you didn’t know how disgusting the world could be.

      • Boscoe

        This. Knowledge is brutal on those with souls. :(

        • Erala Contratista

          Life with no soul or knowledge isn’t worth living.

      • JMP

        That, and the creeps weren’t able to find each other and reinforce their hideous beliefs.

    • Courser

      My grandma taught me from an early age that pretty men with expensive presents usually want something from you. I was very young, so what they wanted was nebulous, but I’ve sorta recognized that most of my life. It’s not that they’re evil or bad. Some girls like that sort of thing. After all, ‘Good girls go to heaven; Bad girls go everywhere!’ was also a bit of a light fun message.

      Bottom line, it was up to me to decide what kind of girl I wanted to be. So yes, sometimes I’m fun and sometimes I get a vibe that I’m not down with whatever the guy is offering.

      Bottom line: Always be kind but firm, be realistic about your expectations and listen to your gut. It doesn’t always work, but I assure you that if nothing else, you did the best possible in the moment.

      • theCryptofishist

        I wish someone had told me that 35 years ago…

      • Mehmeisterjr

        ♫ Wild old men who give you jewels and sables,
        Only live in Aesop’s Fables.
        Life upon the wicked stage
        Ain’t nothin’ for a girl. ♫

        • Courser

          VERY nice! Thank you

    • aureolaborealis

      You know,the world seemed a little less disgusting before social media.

  • Another recent post by a Man Going His Own Way (and bitching about how he can’t get women) via We Hunted the Mammoth “… depending on where they are their monthly cycles would cause the enemy to be able to catch them easier …” (apparently he is also going his own way with the English language)

    • SadDemInTex

      First, WTF. Second, possibly easier to catch but very very angry.

      • Someone on the Mammoth thread said that it might be that the enemy soldiers will go round waving bars of chocolate.

        • therblig

          why can’t america make a decent nylon stocking anymore?

          • Shannanigans

            Ugh. Who even wears them any more?

          • Berkeleybear94

            Women in professions where skirts are seen as the norm like lawyers and government execs. Although even there the stockings come off ASAP at the end of the day

          • Shannanigans

            Oh, yeah. It’s no fun to HAVE to wear them.

          • Berkeleybear94

            I never knew a woman who liked wearing true nylons (silk stockings by choice, different story – but who can afford those and keep them from being ruined?). As a man the closest I come is having to wear dress shoes that aren’t comfortable to walk in sometimes – because I actually like ties and the power a suit can bring but hate the shoes. And I know it isn’t comparable to the torture my female professional friends put themselves through.

        • therblig
        • Shannanigans

          Sushi would work better on me.

    • Shannanigans

      One of the guys I work with was this morning describing some douchey subcontractor guy he knows who said he was planning to spend this weekend “chasing skirt” out of town. I told him: “If he has to chase them, he’s doing it wrong.”

    • Boscoe

      I’m sure it’s “easier” to catch a rabid tiger if you lock yourself in a room with it, also too…

  • melina1222

    Next time I visit my 82-year old mom in assisted living, I’m going to ask her why the hell she didn’t provide me with this hedonistic lifestyle the MGTOWs are talking about.

    She’ll probably whack me over the head with her latest copy of Good Housekeeping.

    • My mother would probably have replied that if I wanted my head on a stick I should carry on in that way.

  • Loki1001

    What I really love about this is:

    that I can make men my servants through “friendship.”

    Points to be made about it:

    1. Friendship doesn’t exist, all human interaction is just coercion to get what you want.
    2. All human interaction is based on prostitution. You do something for someone, you are rewarded with sex. If they don’t reward you with sex, they are wage thieves.
    3. Men can’t turn down the possibility of getting sex, so they can’t simply say, “no.”
    4. Everyone knows and understands these rules, so anyone not fulfilling these agreed upon premises is a liar, a cheat, and a thief and should be shunned.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      This has already been covered by When Harry Met Sally….

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Trumpism in a nutshell.

  • Aquaria

    Also, who is making men their “servants” through friendship?

    I thought that’s what men were for!

    I’d say that we dominatrixes of the world need to unite, but we’d never get anything done from trying to tell each other what to do.

    • Swampgas_Man

      “Dominatrices”. FYI

  • melina1222

    Okay, folks – put on your Alarm Diapers. Look who else is using the image in this meme. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cbb00a9b0b16865c7b85fc13b2c6e5016ba48388c5b6bf4acdf6a63c799a98e3.jpg

    • Good catch!

      • melina1222

        Not really, I just uploaded the meme into Google Image search to see what came up. Usually these MRA folks steal stock images they should pay for.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      How fitting…

    • Sister Artemis

      Alarm diapers?
      feeling kinda creeped out right now….

      • Bear OmNomNom

        Good intelligence starts early. If You Smell Something, Say Something!(TM)

      • theCryptofishist

        What happens when the batteries short out? What happens when you decide to toss it all into the landfill, instead of disposing of the electronics responcibly?

        • Mehmeisterjr

          What happens when you need to spend $900 on the Ipotty?

      • melina1222

        Afraid so … here’s how they work.

        “The kit includes an alarm (with batteries built in), 24 sensor diapers, and a training guide. Once the Potty Patrol system detects wetness, the alarm alerts parent and child so you can place your child on the toilet to finish. Placing your child on the toilet immediately will help them link cause and effect more quickly and effectively and achieve greater potty training success. Potty Patrol sets your child up for success, and saves you time and money.”

        • Shannanigans

          Huh. My method was cheaper. I let mine run around butt-naked over a long holiday weekend and watched for signs he was gonna go potty so I could snatch him up and have him do it on the toilet. Done deal.

          • Mehmeisterjr

            Yeah, waaaaay too much technology, there.

    • Tacoclamgenda

      You just can’t make this stuff up.

  • Boscoe

    So basically “women” are an evil secret society with an explicitly defined agenda that all women secretly know about and laugh and laugh as they destroy human civilization (i.e. “men”). Anyone want to bet what percentage of these guys are Alex Jones fans?

    • Beanz&Berryz

      That explicitly defined agenda is technically a vagenda…

    • Bemused

      What is that famous quote? Ah, yes. Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.

      Clearly being laughed at is a far more imposing fear.

      • theCryptofishist

        Men are pussies?

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Being laughed at is a far more imposing fear.

        That’s why Drumpfelgruber is running for President.

    • Bear OmNomNom

      Ah yes, a “secret” society that has 50.8% of Earth’s people as its members. Shadowy conspiracies abound!

  • These guys think that a traditional geisha would be an idea partner …

    I think they need ROBOGEISHA (NSFW)
    https://youtu.be/zgrKLjoWcbs

    • theCryptofishist

      Yeah. So, how many men of that time and place could afford geishas? It all suddenly strikes me as the mirror image of the historical romance fantasy where it wouldn’t happen that way.

      Yeah, it’s occurred to me before, but it was much stronger for a bit.

    • melina1222

      I want one of those little tanks! My daily commute would be a lot more fun with one of them.

  • Bemused

    Why is it that it’s the MRAs who treat men like children who are too ignorant and so are always being used, who can’t make good decisions about who to be friends with or how to choose a good person to date, or figure out how to get out of a bad relationship?

    • edith prickly

      Because otherwise they’d have to admit that they bear the ultimate responsibility for their loserdom. Much easier to paint yourself as the victim of forces beyond your control.

      • Bemused

        Well, yes, but blame shifting isn’t very Alpha of them. :P

        • Berkeleybear94

          My understanding at a distance and sort of adjacent in some small ways (socially awkward and all that) is that most of these guys recognize they aren’t Alphas and never will be. They just blame everything and everyone else for robbing them of their “true” destiny.

          • Bemused

            Sigh. External locus of control is also not a good idea. People are much healthier and more functional if they look for ways they can make choices and affect outcomes and focus on those. (sorry for the psycho-babble :P )

          • Berkeleybear94

            Oh definitely. I took a long route to understanding how much crap I created internally and could fix internally (cognitive behavior therapy by way of studying decision making and behavioral economics) so I get it. But guys who post at “we hunted the mammoth” and “we were kings” aren’t likely to.

          • Shannanigans

            Just so you know, the We Hunted the Mammoth site makes fun of the MRAssholes. They are not part of the “manosphere” bullshit.

          • Berkeleybear94

            Thanks for the tip. I tend to avoid any website that even suggests that line of thinking (wound up on a MRA site once and that was enough – I outgrew the fraternity house decades ago).

          • Bemused

            CBT is good stuff, even if it’s acquired sort of sideways. :P

          • James Christopher Owen

            Blaming someone for the misery you suffer because you’re a jerkass sounds inherently Beta to me.

          • The sad thing is this seems to be the overwhelming “theme” of this election season (other than “Petty Vindictive Spite! Fuck Yeah!”)

  • Smibo

    This is a travesty! I volunteer to fan Robyn with palm fronds.

    • DainBramage

      Get in line, buddy.

      • John Smith

        My frond is bigger.

      • Smibo

        Sorry, I’m jumping the line because I brought my own palm frond – I bet these babys are in short supply in Chicagoland. Here, I brought an extra one…

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        If there are extras, I could use some palm-fronding. if you know what I mean.

    • therblig

      sorry betas, i refuse to be frond zoned

      • doktorzoom

        Ouch. Bet you never get any dates.

        • Querolous

          Date Palms have fronds.

        • therblig

          nonsense, it’s my raisin d’être

          • Shannanigans

            I normally hate puns but…I’m actually impressed with that one.

      • Swampgas_Man

        And this person wins the Internets for today.

  • Thiazin Red

    With the MRAs theres always the tacit acknowledgement that they are so awful, that the only way they could get a relationship is if women had no other economic alternatives.

    • Shannanigans

      Well, yeah. That’s why they hate feminism so much.

    • Berkeleybear94

      AKA “the good old days.” When you could rape and beat your wife, hit your kids, drink your paycheck and kick the dog when you got angry.

      The history of the temperance movement is sort of fascinating because of how it was inspired by what these assholes think of as being a golden era and most of us (even those of us with y chromosomes) recoil at instinctively. Sort of sad though that it and the ensuing waves of suffragettes and feminism have only gotten us this far.

      • theCryptofishist

        Heck, rape could be a proposal. Now, that’s a happy marriage!

      • Mehmeisterjr

        The dreadful irony is that the Temperance Movement, as organized by the Business of Religion, gave us the 18th Amendment, which gave us big-time Organized Crime.

        Fortunately, we learned from our error and we didn’t pass an actual amendment that could be formally repealed, so the highly-successful War on Drugs continues. (Note: Yr Wonkette is rich in irony.)

    • Rick Hill

      Oh, no. There are those who think reap is a perfectly acceptable way of punishing women who r̶e̶j̶e̶c̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ don’t know their places

  • Iam Reading

    I wish I could magically transform myself into a hot woman and then f*** with these guys every second of the day so that they would actually have something to complain about. Fuck these useless losers.

  • aureolaborealis

    One look at the typography and I knew we were dealing with a psychopath.

    • Anna_in_pdx

      The unabomber made more sense!

  • WhyFelicia

    Oh, I knew I forgot to remind my daughter about her ultimate supremacy today. Dang. I usually slip a note into her lunchbox or something.

    Welp, I guess we’ll have to head to a park this afternoon and emasculate some guys.

    • Sister Artemis

      The struggle is real, Felicia. Keep up the Good Fight. Your Evil Sisters are counting on you!!!

    • Rick Hill

      I used to think I was so proud of my little girl. She would come back from summer camp(she was ten years old) that had swimming and tell me the boys called her witchy woman because she had this glare she gave them when they tried to do cutesy stuff. How was I to know I was turning her into a man hating something something something?(That’s about all I really understand of those people)

  • Hardly Ideal

    Have you taken your daily vitamins yet today? I hope so! But in addition to that, I’ve also got a hefty dose of RED PILL for you.

    My mommy always told me to never take candy from strangers, whether they’re a kitty with a whip or a guy with a beard and fedora.

    • Querolous

      Stay away from the Orange Skittles.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Especially avoid the guy with the grim smile and the severed elephant trunk. “I’ve lost my elephant. Will you help me find him?” NOOOO! He’s a Trump, kid. Run, run like the wind!

  • JMP

    That awful thing is completely unreadable; do none of the woman-hating, pro-rape shits know any basic thing about graphic design?

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      No, we keep the men out of graphic design to deny them the terrible pay of jobs that are overwhelmingly held by women. #allpartoftheplan

  • Rick Hill

    When did psychiatrists start posting examples of aberrational, stunted behaviors?

  • Bear OmNomNom

    Transcribing that was a favor? I’d go with “heroic act of self-sacrifice”. Please do not bleach your eyes, no matter how strong the impulse.

  • My 3 1/2 year old has lately shown a bit of a preference for shows featuring female leads. Sofia, Doc McStuffins, Elena, Bubble Guppies, Dora, My Little Pony, etc. He watches plenty of other stuff, too, but he definitely likes girl-aimed stuff a lot more than other boys supposedly would.

    While we were watching Wishenpoof last night, I commented on this.

    Me: “You like shows with girls in them, don’t you?”
    Him: “I do. And boys, too!”
    Me: “Yes! I think that’s pretty cool.”
    Him: “I think girls and boys are cool.”
    Me: “I’m glad you do. It makes me sad that some boys won’t watch things with girls in them.”
    Him (turning to me and frowning): “Why, Mama?”
    Me (shrugging): “Some boys just don’t like girls very much.”
    Him (looking at me like I just said dinosaurs weren’t real): “What? That’s just SILLY!”

    And then we went upstairs and Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy told each other stories until it was lights-out time. :)

    The funny thing about this is that I haven’t gone to any effort to push him toward this stuff. I just don’t do anything to keep him away from it. The only stuff I avoid is anything with combat/weapons or girl stuff that’s only about being pretty or whatever. His favorite show is Team Umizoomi, which has a brother/sister/robot team that does math stuff. He’s into dinosaurs, trains, trucks and roughhousing, but he also likes his play kitchen and taking care of his baby doll. I just let him pick what he wants to watch/do and don’t interfere unless I feel like he’s getting a bad lesson from something or is playing too rough. I seriously doubt he’s trans–he hasn’t told us he actually is a girl any more than he’s also occasionally told us he’s a dinosaur or a shark or a dinosaur shark–he’s just not yet getting the message that girls or girl “stuff” is icky, so he’s happily doing all of it. I dread the day that starts happening, but for now, I’m pretty darn glad I don’t yet have a sexism-contaminated kid.

    • Suse

      That’s just wonderful! He sounds like a great kid.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Dinosaur sharks are badass. The kid’s gonna be all right.

      • doktorzoom

        When Kid Zoom was about 5 he decided that while cheetahs were impressively fast, there had to be another, even faster animal: the speed cheetah.

        • Kiri the Unicorn

          …With high-bypass turbofans, semi-active radar guidance, and kung-fu grip!

  • Azazael

    Wow another douche destined to live out his life a virgin. Too bad we all have to listen to him cry about it.

  • Blanche Beecham

    Ex Husband got bit by the MRA SPIDER. I think it’s all just an excuse for excessive p0rn and masturbation on r/girlsofreddit.

    My parting words – “MRA and P0rn won’t get you a good nursing home.”

    • I think this applies to a LOT of ex-husbands. Aside from the junior contingent, who are all rotten little assholes who don’t understand why girls don’t want to give them blowjobs, the older group tend to be guys who went through bitter divorces. They’re all angry that they don’t have custody of their kids and have to pay alimony and child support just because they maybe got drunk and slapped the wife that one time (after she confronted him about the affairs.)

      • Slavakitty

        They get custody a lot more often ever since a bunch of them infiltrated the Family Court system and proceeded to make a mess of things. All the while protesting that they’re the ones being discriminated against.

        • Abby Normal

          Family courts are one of the few places men really do get treated unfairly. And the MRAs use that to get a foothold.

          I’ve seen a few male friends posting stuff from MRA groups on facebook, and they had no idea about anything beyond the fathers rights issues.

          MRAs use that to get the attention of men, and slowly ramp up the indoctrination.

          • Brandi86

            I think the big problems with MRAs is that they assume that there is never a reason to take custody away from a father. That is a very stupid way of thinking. I can think of many reasons why a child should be taken away from his father.

    • Gregory Brown

      Divorced or not, it’s a spectacularly pathetic mindset. The anger, the self-pity, the anger, the self-pity …. LOTS MORE SELF-PITY.

    • Man, I don’t want to get on the wrong side of the snark mob, oh no God no, but there are actually SOME Psycho Bitches from Hell, and they don’t reveal it until after you’ve slept with them.
      How’s that for provocation? Can I get a witness? Don’t bite.

  • Seriously?

    Does celibacy give you super power vision or something? That text is in .2 font.

    • theCryptofishist

      And I thought that memes had short, pithy slogans, all the better to repeat them, dear. Is it possible that this poor man doesn’t know how to do memes?

    • Gregory Brown

      I think you mean two-point font. It had to be extra tiny to get in all the incredible insights about the evil feminists, and all the super whining and crying.

    • cleos_mom

      Couldn’t begin to read it. And I’m so nearsighted I’m the go-to person for reading tiny print.

    • PRW

      I guess it comes with being a ‘wizard’: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Manosphere_glossary#Wizard

  • cats530

    “Feminism is hated because women are hated. Anti-feminism is a direct
    expression of misogyny; it is the political defense of women hating.”


    Andrea Dworkin

    • Shannanigans

      Ooooh, I remember my Dworkin days…

      • theCryptofishist

        Never had ’em. I was living in St. Paul in 1984, and that put me off Dworkin for life. Well, at least so far.

        • Shannanigans

          I can’t even remember how I ran across her work in the first place, but for a while there, I was devouring tons of her books. It ended up making me a little bit sick in the end, so I stopped.

  • CJTX

    I was raised by a feminist and she’s bad ass yo! She talks real to my younger female cousins. As a result you generally do not fuck with the women in my family. They’re tough as nails, tougher than I am.

  • CJTX
    • Shannanigans

      What the hell is THIS from?!

      • CJTX

        Community – and it’s AWESOME! Add it to your list of shows ot watch Shan. This is part of a whole sub plot about the all powerful Air Conditioning Repair Annex of their community college.

        • Shannanigans

          Ugh. Another one…

          • CJTX

            It’s fun! I own 5 seasons – the sixth is availabe on yahoo.

          • Shannanigans

            There’s not enough time to watch all the good tee-vee shows and movies the Wonkers recommend!

          • CJTX

            But this is a nice time one! It’ll make you laugh, I promise. No violence, no gore. And lord knows we all need that. They also do some great parodies…they have one that parodies Law and Order (jerry orbach edition) PERFECTLY.

          • Shannanigans

            *sigh* Oh, all right!

          • CJTX

            ;)

          • mml1996

            I have to watch this properly all the way from Season 1.. Joel Hale FTW…

          • I AM R U

            I loooove that episode!

  • Panika MCD

    if this is true, I would be rich by now. I would like some better issues, please.

  • Swampgas_Man

    Raised by a feminist, and a feminist father, and I didn’t turn out this fucked up.

  • Ryan Denniston

    Is this real? Oh FFS!

  • phoenix00
    • Cool_North

      Nobody knows…. ;)

  • Msgr_Moment

    Doesn’t indoctrination cause autism or something?

  • Noxious1

    After seven and a half years of a half black POTUS, racists are raging the hardest they have in decades. 8 years from now (after seven and a half years of a female POTUS), the misogynists are going to be even crazier.

    So very, very sad. I’m gonna go watch funny cat videos now. That always helps.

  • Dr. Krieger IRL

    So, these MRA dickbags just make up idiotic allegations about feminism? Little wonder the majority of them are Rethuglicans…

    • Vagandarian the Librarian!

      I think their sense of entitlement plays right in with the sense of entitlement of the GOP.

    • Brandi86

      Most of the mra guys I’ve read about don’t come across as Republican to me. Republicans support the nuclear family, traditional marriage, and traditional family values, most mra guys don’t seem to give one shit about any of that. All they can do is whine about how much worse they have it in life than women, and whine about how much of a victim they are. Like other groups of people who believe themselves to be victims, they think no one else can be more of a victim than they are.

      If I am remembering correctly from what I read a few years ago the founder of mra, Warren Farrell, is a Democrat. From what I read he used to be a male feminist, before he started pushing men’s rights activism. It’s obvious he tried to copy feminism. And that’s all men’s rights activism is, one big rip off of the feminist movement. I really think the real reason mra/mgtow exist is to make up excuses for bad things men do.

      I really do feel sorry for any woman who has to put up with a mra for a husband. It must be horrible.

      • Dr. Krieger IRL

        That’s really interesting, thanks for the insight. Saying that the MRAs are just ripping off feminist tactics really helps to frame things.

  • Cool_North

    Also, for a meme is far too wordy and uses unexciting template language. I don’t think the average MRA has the focus to get through half of the first blurb.

  • sweeper

    Sort of OT, but not really…cops just arrested mall shooter here in WA. Killed 4 women at the make up counter at Macy’s. The wing nuts are already excited that he is originally from Turkey. I believe he is actually an MRA-adjacent lad who is mad at ladies. The right will play this down, will say it’s all about mooslims.

    • sweeper

      Called it. Ok, he’s a disturbed man who hates ladies, and has a history of hating ladies. Definitely Going His Own Way. But everyone is yelling about him being born in Turkey, and is a mooslim, and is therefore a ISIS. Because we don’t make insane he-man women-haters in this land of ours.

      • Brandi86

        Is there any proof he is a mra/mgtow? Him being Muslim is only important if his crime was motivated by his religion, which is may very well have been. It’s not a rare occurrence for Muslims to commit crimes fueled by fundamental religious views, it happens all the damn time. So I can see why some people are saying him being Muslim might have been a motivation for his crime.

        • sweeper

          He is not identified as connected to any MGTOW groups. That being said, his history is one of harassing and fondling girls at his high school, as well as violent altercations within his family. His Facebook includes a very weird call for “bros” to leave the toilet seat up “for other bros.” Goofy, but way more of a he-man woman hater than a ISIS. MRA adjacent gentlemen also commit violent crimes on the regular, mowing down groups of women, committing sexual assault. The man who was killed in this attack was shot as he stopped to help a woman who fell. He’s certainly a nut, but having a cultural norm of misogyny gives nuts a terrific narrative.

        • sweeper

          Also, too, I apologize in advance for the generous serving of troll chow I just poured.

  • boredcatlady

    That was my initial thought. Makeup counter? Where do whores go to buy paint to trick men into giving up their resources?

    • MediumBarda

      Home Depot.

      • boredcatlady

        Bwahahaha!!!! Well played, my friend

  • Since the type is super small and in some kind of comic-sans-esque font…

    Yep, that tells us right there this is pure evil. No need to say anymore, Robyn.

  • Abby Normal

    I don’t think that’s really a meme. It’s an image macro.

  • ImACarrot

    Just curious, why is being a feminist noble and working to help; but someone who talks about men’s rights a buffoonish jerk that lives in a basement somewhere?

    Feminists do say that men are toxic, internally misogynistic, rapist or rape deniers. They do say that men have to be taught not to rape.

    How would you feel if a movement of men went around saying that women are evil mothers that torture and kill their children and that they need to be taught how to care for their children properly. Teachers are telling young people that men are bad. They just had a thing at Duke where guys could go and contemplate how toxic they were.

    Oh yeah, Duke, remember that place? The place where a woman was perfectly willing to “put herself through the trauma of a rape trial” when she accused the lacrosse team of gang rape? You remember the teachers at the school? How they acted? Go look up “group of 88”.

    Maybe you might want to take some of the things that you laugh off a little more seriously.

    Or maybe you just want to laugh at men for views; like the ladies on the Talk laughed about that guy getting his penis chopped off. Maybe that is it.

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