My friends, my friends, my friends...FIVE AND A HALF YEARS, ALAN
My friends, my friends, my friends…FIVE AND A HALF YEARS, ALAN

Just in time for Arizona’s August 30 Senate primary, a crack team of rightwing provocateurs has gotten its hands on a copy of a 1969 recording of John McCain reading a forced “confession” obtained under torture after he was shot down in North Vietnam. This is good news for John McCain hater Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the anti-government Oath Keepers militia, who called last year for McCain to be tried for treason for his many crimes against the Constitution and then “hung by the neck until dead,” because that’s what America means to real patriots.

So, here’s your backstory: When McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down over Hanoi on October 26, 1967, McCain ejected from the crashing plane and parachuted into a shallow lake. During the ejection at low altitude, he broke his right leg and both arms, his right arm shattered in three places. Then for good measure, one of the North Vietnamese who pulled him from the lake smashed his right shoulder with a rifle butt. He eventually received medical treatment, but only after four days — it’s unclear whether that had more to do with his finally telling his captors he’d give them military information (he says he agreed only because he feared he would die, and didn’t intend to give useful information) or with the North Vietnamese realizing he was the son of a prominent U.S. Navy admiral. (A 2008 Rolling Stone article says McCain offered that information to the North Vietnamese to save his life.) The son of an admiral made a good propaganda prize, so McCain received treatment, although his right arm never healed correctly.

In August of 1968, after a sustained period of torture, McCain agreed to sign a confession stating, “I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died and the Vietnamese people saved my life, thanks to the doctors.” In his memoir, he would later write, “I had learned what we all learned over there … Every man has a breaking point. I had reached mine.” He says he’s never forgiven himself for breaking, and his own experience is one of the reasons he has so strongly opposed the use of torture by the good old USA: information given under torture is often useless, like statements he gave the North Vietnamese, in which he “named” members of his squadron by giving the names of the offensive line of the Green Bay Packers.

It’s not entirely clear when the recording obtained by rightwing website “Trunews” was made — presumably around the same time as the written confession — but it was broadcast by North Vietnamese radio in 1969 and recorded by the “the Foreign Broadcast Information Service, a branch of the CIA that monitored international shortwave and foreign radio broadcasts,” according to Trunews. “Award-winning journalist” and all around slimeball Chuck C. Johnson offered a $10,000 “bounty” for a copy of the recording, which some lucky person somehow located in the National Archives and then somehow copied or filched it. Trunews is actually rather vague about how the recording came to be acquired by them, saying only that “The audio recording was found in a misplaced file in the National Archives in Washington, D.C.” — no mention of a FOIA request there, oddly, so the circumstances of its acquisition are open to speculation.

So gosh, what juicy national security secrets did John McCain spill in the statement, in which he clearly betrayed his country and committed treason, for which he must be executed, according to the Oath Keepers morons? Absolutely nothing: it’s bog standard forced-confession propaganda bullshit that would sound like cartoonishly ridiculous Cold War boilerplate if you didn’t know it was extracted under torture:

To the Vietnamese people and the government of the DRVN:

From John Sidney McCain, 624787, Lieutenant Commander, U.S. Navy, born 29 August, 1936, Panama, home state Oregon. Shot down 26 October, 1967, A-4E aircraft.

I, as a U.S. airman, am guilty of crimes against the Vietnamese country and people. I bombed their cities, towns and villages and caused many injuries, even deaths, for the people of Vietnam.

I was captured in the capital city of Hanoi, while attacking it. After I was captured, I was taken to the hospital in Hanoi, where I received very good medical treatment. I was given an operation on my leg, which allowed me to walk again, and a cast on my right arm, which was badly broken in three places.

The doctors were very good and they knew a great deal about the practice of medicine. I remained in the hospital for some time and regained much of my health and strength. Since I arrived in the camp of detention, I received humane and lenient treatment.

I received this kind treatment and food even though I came here as an aggressor and the people who I injured have much difficulty in their living standards. I wish to express my deep gratitude for my kind treatment and I will never forget this kindness extended to me.

In the expert legal opinion of Oath Keepers Grand Dragon director Stewart Rhodes, this recording completely vindicates his call last year for Sen. McCain to be charged with treason and executed for his many other unspecified crimes against the Constitution, not that our corrupt government will help Rhodes with that noble goal:

Several years ago, I (Stewart Rhodes) was attacked by the left wing media for calling McCain a traitor who deserved to be tried for treason, and then, once convicted, deserved to suffer the usual punishment for someone convicted of treason, which is to be hung by the neck until dead. Turns out I was right. He IS a traitor, and now there is direct evidence to back that up, in addition to his horrid voting record against the Constitution. Well, now, can we finally try him for treason and then sentence him accordingly? Or will he, like Hillary Clinton, get a pass on his crimes despite direct, smoking gun evidence, because both of them are part of the political elite? You already know the answer to that.

We’re not sure how Rhodes turned May 2015 into “several years ago,” but his inquisition by the left wing media is surely far worse than anything McCain ever experienced. Rhodes also “knows” the fix was in to protect McCain from being tried for treason even at the time of the broadcast:

So, the CIA, our supposed Central Intelligence Agency, knew that he was a traitor. Did they report that bit of intelligence to President Nixon? Did they inform the Joint Chief of Staff? Did they even notify McCain’s command? Again, you already know the answer to that. What they did is sit on it, and no doubt they “misfiled” it in the National Archives, and let McCain know they had it there, somewhere, and that they could have the “misfiling” corrected anytime they wanted, so he would be compliant and do as commanded throughout his career. That is how it is done. They had McCain under their control, as a “Manchurian Candidate” from that moment on, which is why it was kept an internal CIA secret all those years, till now.

Rhodes explains that anyone who defended John McCain from Donald Trump’s attacks on his patriotism is now clearly “on the side of a confirmed Traitor,” and sincerely hopes that Donald Trump will win this fall and get America back on the right track by weeding out the “corrupt GOP Old Guard.”

So: Is giving a statement like McCain’s an act of treason? We are not a JAG lawyer, but from what we have been able to research, it doesn’t look like it — Rhodes says it violates the military’s Code of Conduct, particularly Article V:

When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.

Says Rhodes, obviously McCain violated the prohibition against making “oral or written statements disloyal to my country,” which you aren’t even allowed to do under duress — and he even cites an article by alleged floor-shitter Chuck C. Johnson to “prove” McCain was not under duress. (Big surprise — the article proves nothing of the sort.) And even the Code of Conduct includes that “to the best of my ability” clause as an acknowledgement that perfect compliance may not be possible.

What we do know is that however much some wingnuts — and yes, some former POWs — may hate him, the U.S. military knew about McCain’s forced confession when he was released with the other POWS in 1973. It chose at the time not to prosecute him — or as far as we can determine, any other Vietnam POWs — for a Code of Conduct violation, and this recording doesn’t change anything about what’s known about McCain’s time as a prisoner. He did resist giving useful information to the enemy; when asked to identify future targets for air raids, he instead named targets that American aircraft had already hit. As for the forced confession, a 2008 Politifact article had this to say:

George “Bud” Day and Orson Swindle, fellow POWs, told PolitiFact that POWs sometimes were forced to talk when they were tortured, but they tried to tell lies to mislead their captors.

“We were all tortured and we wrote confessions under the pressure of torture,” said Swindle, who was a cellmate with McCain and is active in his campaign. “John McCain never collaborated with the enemy. He, like every one of us, submitted to severe torture. John McCain did nothing dishonorable. He was heroic.”

Regardless of Rhodes’s bullshit, the military has not, in fact, hanged anyone for treason in the modern era after a forced confession. Even before the current Code of Conduct was adopted in 1955, several American POWs who gave in to North Korean torture were court-martialed and convicted of “aiding the enemy.” They were not executed for treason because it was understood that there was no intent to betray the United States. So no, no neck-stretching for John McCain over a tortured confession, no matter how dramatic the audio was. We’d be perfectly happy to see him lose his seat in November’s election.

On the other hand, people currently seeking to overthrow the government with their pretend militia buddies, in the name of patriotism? If they actually start shooting people, that’s some serious federal crime. Can’t you just imagine what a paradise of freedom and liberty this country would be if these guys had their way? At least, once they’d executed everyone they consider disloyal.

[Trunews / SPLC / Oath Keepers / AzCentral / Rolling Stone / Politifact / WeSearchr / GotNews / Catholic University Law Review]

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  • Msgr_Moment

    I wish there was a Law of the Conservation of Stupid.

    • Paperless Tiger

      It’s more of a movement, conservatives.

      • natoslug

        More of a shart than a movement.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      I think it’s called “the GOP platform”.

  • cousin itt

    Sarah Palin.

    Can we move on, now?

  • Señor Skwerl
  • Scooby

    I like people whose bones don’t break.

  • natoslug

    Stewart Rhodes makes Ted Nugent sound stately and brave. Perhaps he, Ted, and C. “Floorshitter” Johnson should quit with their yapping and finally make their brave stand against America. I suggest doing so out of country, in case things don’t go their way and they have to retreat. Somewhere really, really far out of country. Like Pluto.

    • Blank Ron

      Park them on Comet 153P/Ikeya–Zhang. That way we only need to listen to their shit every 366 years.

  • Liam

    Wing nuts are a special kind of ignorant.

  • eka

    it’s things like the attack on mccain that make me almost believe the conspiracy theory that trump’s campaign is just a convoluted joke. the guy picked a fight with the pope, criticizes a “war hero”, and still gets republican support? how is this possible? this rhodes guy should be dismissed as just a crazy, but it seems like people will listen to anything these days. I’m no fan of McCain, whose only treason was to himself in turning his back on his principles in his desperate bid for the presidency, but this is just ridiculous.

    • natoslug

      Deeply stupid, paranoid and angry people want representation too?

      • eka

        Sure, but he’s going against a lot of the things they supposedly believe …

        Maybe it’s just a mass study in cognitive dissonance?

    • Msgr_Moment

      How is this possible?

      Has NASA taken any pictures of Earth from space lately?

      • eka

        that’s clearly a fake. obviously the US takes up 80% of the earth’s surface.

    • Toomush_Infer

      Are you saying McCain is being swiftboated?…

  • Tallmutha

    Wait, Trump has now endorsed McCain (speaking of transparently insincere statements made under duress), so does this Rhodes character consider him to be “on the side of a confirmed traitor”?

  • tihond

    This is GREAT? News? For John McCain?

  • Jeff in the desert

    Despite all that I have against this guy, bringing Palin into the national limelight, his stance on many issues, the unwarranted attacks on Obama and his military strategy, I really feel horrible for the treatment he received and admire the strength to stay alive. It goes to show no one gets respect from crazy radical wingnuts…and…..ah hell y’all know.

    • natoslug

      While it has been over FIVE AND A HALF YEARS, ALAN! since he introduced Palin to the national spotlight, I’m not quite ready to forgive him. Maybe after another FIVE AND A HALF YEARS, ALAN!, and if he convinces his daughter to maybe stop yapping in public, I’ll consider it. Unless, of course, we are looking at the campaign for Vice-President Bristol by then.

    • goonemeritus

      That is very ungrateful of you, Palin has done more to create page views than a natural disaster combined with a terrorist attack featuring celebrity topless pictures. In away nominating Palin could be described as the bloggers total employment act.

  • Callyson

    Support our troops! Until it becomes politically expedient to attack them!!!

    • Oblios_Cap

      Or give them good benefits. Those cost money.

      • sw19womble

        Or proper care.
        Thank you for your service! Now fuck off!

  • Oblios_Cap

    Just what oath would hanging Walnuts be keeping? And who cares what that raving whackadoodle says?

  • fawkedifiknow

    John McCain abhors torture, he says, yet he inflicted Sarah Palin on us. Go figure.

    • sw19womble

      Psy-Ops. Totally different field.

  • sw19womble

    I admit, I don’t know enough about McCain’s stance on other subjects, beyond an opposition to torture: but I believed he was a moderate. And maybe he is now, compared to the other loons who have taken over the GOP.
    He used to co-sponsor bills with crossparty support, IIRC?
    Anyway 2008 seems a long time ago, and yes, he begat Palin unto the world, and likes to yell at clouds, but you know, he doesn’t seem that bad*.

    *context is everything.

    • natoslug

      You say that now, but when Palin: The Next Generation hits the political landscape, you’ll change your tune, boyo!

    • AngryKatie

      My issue with McCain is his betrayal of what he ostensibly stood for.

      He got so shellacked by Bush/Rove’s dirty tricks and bullshittery that when next he ran he seemed to have jettisoned nearly ever principal he’d ever had. And he’s tossed the rest in the years since.

    • Bitter Scribe

      What I mostly have against him is the way he slurped up money to do the bidding of that panty-sniffing crook Charles Keating. He seems to have gotten that stink off–don’t ask me how.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        Sincere apology (where sincere=lickspittle desperation to keep one’s job and stay out of prison) plus warhero rep. My guess, FWIW.

      • sw19womble

        Thanks I shall go google…

  • Lazy Media

    Stewart “never served in combat” Rhodes fails to mention that McCain was offered early release because of his admiral daddy, and turned it down. Personally, I am looking forward to the post-rigged-Trump-blowout “uprising,” because it will consist of nothing more significant than the Malheur Refuge takeover, and maybe Stewart Rhodes will go to prison.

  • shastakoala

    I’m sure if McCain’s injuries included bone spurs Trump would have rethought his remarks.

    • Msgr_Moment

      Will nobody think of all the venereal diseases Dodging Donnie almost caught during those five and a half years, Alan?

  • AngryKatie

    You know what would really provide some clarity here? Sean Hannity.

    He should finally make good on his offer to be waterboarded, and they can can see what they can get him to confess to.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    This whole trend for executing people who don’t vote the way you like is really catching on with the alt-right.

    • GoutMachine

      Culture of life, Lefty. Culture of life.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Somewhere the divergence is going to go a full 180 degrees from both sides and meet in the loony middle. Some of the Bernie/Stein zealots aren’t far from this mentality.

      • sw19womble

        All extremists have a Purity Test.

        • Lefty Frizzell

          I think it’s one thing to withhold political allegiance based on a purity test, but quite another to call for someone to be hanged. And yet another to call for them to be hanged by the neck until dead, as though that particular terminology carries some extra legal weight.

          You know right there that the speaker is not dealing with a full deck.

          • Good_Gawd_Yall

            You can tell when a wingnut lets go with the phrase “hung [sic] by the neck until dead” he’s sitting in his mom’s basement imagining himself as a judge with awesome power and might, typing with one hand and fapping furiously with the other.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            My point is that bug eyed zealots-regardless of ideology-eventually embrace draconian justice, for…you know, the greater good.

        • efoveks

          Which is why the Founding Fathers were against such things.

      • fka_donnie_d

        Les extremes se (toujours) touchent

        • Incoming Ham

          Et douchent.

    • fka_donnie_d

      Just remember that these are law-abiding second-amendment absolutist, you betcha!

    • Swampay

      I am officially an Old. No, really, I’m so f**ing old that the word “revolution” no longer sends that thrill down my spine. What percent of actual revolutions* succeed? Revolutions eat themselves. Well meaning rowdies overthrow the status quo and leave a vacuum that is taken in turn by increasingly radical, violent, dogmatic, ideological, vicious individuals. Pretty soon it’s guillotines for everyone.

      We have the pleasure in our times of watching the death throes of teh Reagan revolution played out as comedy.,_Saturno_devorando_a_su_hijo_(1819-1823)_crop.jpg

      *I exclude the American revolution (my post, my rules) because it was a competition between power elites and thus a more traditional war for property than a revolution of the have-nots against the haves.

  • Ruhe

    Hateful bastards.

  • lucidamente

    This is excellent news for John McCain.

  • Crystalclear12

    In a desperate bid to stay alive the Republican party continues to consume itself.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Having been my senator for the past 168 years, I loathe McCain as much as anyone, but leave him the fuck alone on this one….he paid heavy dues. Not to mention these Oaf Keeper/militia shitsuckers would collectively pee their pants if somebody flew a toy drone over their Klan Kamporee site.

    • Blank Ron

      Ooh, now I know what to do with my birthday money!

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    It’s not much of a stretch to imagine that this guy worships the Holy 2nd Amendment, and believes that he has the right to perform a “citizen’s arrest” and tribunal. I’d worry about his intentions if it weren’t so obvious that the “Oath Keepers” are a movement of mainly loudmouthed jackoffs too busy typing rage-filled slam letters to the internet to act on any of their bold ideas.

    • ahughes798

      If, god forbid, Trump wins, they and all the people like them will be very dangerous. If, as I hope, Trump loses, these people will be very dangerous. They have guns, lots of them, and rage, lots of it. I don’t think I’ve ever felt quite so insecure about my personal safety as these people make me feel, and I’m an old white lady. I worry, very much, for people of color, with all these rage machines and their guns parading around already acting as if they own the country.

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    I don’t do crazy well.

    Got halfway through the crazy before mental images of meth-fueled bug eyes and spittle raving made me stop.

  • chascates

    How many of these idiots ever served in the military, let alone in combat? Like Trump they have sacrificed no one and nothing.

    • Grizz1y

      I think that having served is actually a criteria to be an “Oath Keeper.” The oath they reference being the one they swore at induction. But I wouldn’t be surprised is many of the members had received BCDs and OTOHs..

  • I Only Like Cats

    Wow that’s terrible. Oath Keepers are the militia equivalent of those awful arrogant guys who live in their mother’s basement and harass women online and play video games all day but still suck at them (and life in general);

    • GoutMachine

      I’m pretty sure if you drew a Venn diagram of these two things, the overlap would be by far the biggest part.

  • anwisok
    • Msgr_Moment

      I had no idea that hedgers came in bigger sizes! I may have to obtain a few to find out, especially if they all have such a goofy, adorable smile.

      • Grizz1y

        I think Don Prickles up there is probably being held by a child. They are really cool to hold though.

    • Joe Beese

      A story this ugly needs nothing less than yawning bat babies wrapped in wee little blankets.

  • freakishlystrong

    Jesus fucking Christ. These fucking people. Judge and jury of everyone else. If you hate this country and her government so much you would perform armed insurrection, please, for the love of Dog, just fucking leave already. We don’t like you either.

    • Señor Skwerl

      Can we have these guys occupy those fake Chinese islands?

      • AngryKatie

        I’d be willing to give them one of the southern states if they’d all agree to go there and stay there.

        • natoslug

          Sure. How about the Fuckin’ Falkland Islands?

          • AngryKatie

            I was thinking Alabama, but as long as the sheep don’t mind….

          • natoslug

            The sheep will be terrified. And walking funny, if any of the Oafs can catch them.

          • sw19womble

            Malvinas Libels!!!!!

        • ahughes798

          Send him to Fapland!

  • Spotts1701

    Given the option of signing a false confession or either being beaten to a pulp or having one’s brains splattered across the back wall with a rifle bullet, this guy believes McCain should have been willing to die.
    Well, that’s a brave stance for someone who’s never been on the wrong end of a rifle barrel.

    • natoslug

      He’s seen hell, man! One time, at the kwiki-mart, they were out of Cool Ranch Doritos.

      • Notreelyhelping

        He’s endured not only a paper cut. He’s made it through, hang on, a CARDBOARD cut.

        • natoslug

          No laughing matter — I saw many a man die of those. I’ve seen things you wouldn’t believe. Slushie spills on my mom’s couch. I’ve watched the postman linger suspiciously by the front gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain. Time to fry (up another twinkie).

          • Major_Major_Major

            Let me tell you a tale that will make yer balls suck up into yer stomach. There I was, all alone, crawling through the bush. My squad had all been shot up, and I was on my own. I poke my rifle through the bush, take a bead, and the BATTERY in my controller DIED out of the blue. I yelled for my mom, but no answer. I died in those bushes, man, not able to move, or nuthin’. I…. DIED…..MAN!!!1!11!!

          • natoslug


          • Major_Major_Major

            Currently, I am awaiting a resupply of hot pockets and AA batteries, then back to the trenches, SIR.

  • Paperless Tiger

    More proof that torture is a bad tactic. Here, logical people would see the Vietnamese captors as war criminals and McCain as a victim of an atrocity. The Oathkeepers are aberrant. It’s not even good propaganda. It’s bullshit. As for extracting strategic information, what would a pilot, even an officer, be able to tell them? Bomb this, bomb that, like they didn’t know already.

  • TeeRaak

    Cut Grampa McCain some slack!

    He’s obviously having ‘dietary issues’…

  • Wild Cat

    Militias have no members – they’re all castratos.

  • Incoming Ham

    Let me guess: This nut job “patriot” was himself shot down and captured by the enemy, tortured, remained stoically silent and refused to cooperate. Even after his bones were broken, he was burned, skin torn and mentally abused he stood steadfast and sang the fucking Star Spangled Banner rather than utter a word against the good ole’ US of A.



    • Parchment Scroll

      He has to make five morale checks and three saving throws vs. rods, staves, and wands (the generic saving throw) but the dice were on his side, by Crom!

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    Well, my two cents: loved McCain in 2000, loathed him in 2008, blame him for Palin, admire him for enduring torture, think his wife is made of plastic and his daughter should STFU already, time to retire and go yell at clouds at home.

    • natoslug

      And maybe he should quit actively poisoning the Navajo and Apache. He may have been a hero at one point, but now he does a lot more harm than good.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I wish his routine betrayal of Native American people in AZ would get more traction. Although I’m sure he has lots of Kachina dolls and squash blossom jewelry at his place in Sedona.

        • Grizz1y

          He is an old white dude from out of town, I’d frankly be shocked if he was decent to the Native population.

      • sw19womble

        Thanks I will look into this too.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      My loathing in 2008 had a lot to do with him not daring to criticize torture fans the deserting coward and the Dark Lord in order to secure the nomination. He could have been the righteous avatar of justice on that count, but he sold his soul at the insistence of his ambition.

  • Painter of Goats

    We’re not sure how Rhodes turned May 2015 into “several years ago,” but his inquisition by the left wing media is surely far worse than anything McCain ever experienced.

    No one expects the Left Wing Media Inquisition.

    • Grizz1y

      When you are constantly fantasizing about a time that never was in a nation that didn’t exist it is hard to pay attention to the flow of actual real time.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Like this jagoff wouldn’t sing like a canary if somebody nicked his fingertip.

    • GoutMachine

      Just take away his wifi. (Please.)

      • Bitter Scribe

        GoutMachine: Yikes. I thought I had a depressing handle.

        If you actually do have gout, my sympathies. I do, and it is NO fun.

        • GoutMachine

          I don’t. It’s on a long list of fake band names my friends and I have come up with. I’ve a colleague who does, and it does sound like suck.

  • Joe Beese


    • Grizz1y

      As an at the time Oregonian he bore no allegiance to the Cheesehead Nation, and by fingering the Packers he was attempting to use the Vietnamese to benefit his true team.

      • sw19womble

        The Vikings?

  • ManchuCandidate

    In Walnuts War, they had a term for these oaf keepers.

    Rear Echelon Motherfucker.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      As a former REMF, I object. The Oaf Keepers wouldn’t be found anywhere in a combat theater.

      • Jennaratrix

        I respectfully submit that there’s a difference between those in the rear because they have to be and who do their jobs (and then some) well – logistics, medics, cooks, etc. – and REMFs who scurry and stay back there to avoid combat, and don’t do shit while they’re there. I suspect you’re the former, not the latter.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Well, yeah, I was assigned there (the REMFiest job I ever had was being in a fixed station Signal battalion in Korea, responsible for the northern half of the communications backbone in the ROK) but most of my time was at a brigade headquarters or below. So, TECHNICALLY rear area, but not all that rear.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    This all started when the White Wing liars went after John Kerry and the GOPeepee let the notverySwift Bots go full on bullshit on Kerry’s combat records. The Bush Rethugs should have stopped it then but they were just fine with letting it go on and on. That slime machine turned into birtherism, then Benghazism and now it’s this Oatherism. All of it spewing out total bullshit. It took down Jeb Bush. It’s going to defeat McCain. Reap what you have sown you azzholes.

    • ahughes798

      They went after Max Clelland, too. It was a disgrace. Ann Coulter called Clelland stupid for saving his compatriots. Modern Republicans generally don’t respect the service of others, have never served the country….only themselves.

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    More traitors and CIA plots, this time involving Australia!!!!!!


    [Amber Laura Heard (born April 22, 1986):] Source:
    Australia is a wonderful island with a treasure trove of unique plants, animals and people.

    [John Christopher “Johnny” Depp II (born June 9, 1963):] Source:
    That has to be protected.

    [Amber Heard:]
    Australia is free of many pests and diseases that are common place around the world. That is why Australia has to have such strong biosecurity laws.

    [Johnny Depp:]
    And Australians are just as unique, both warm and direct. When you disrespect Australian law they will tell you firmly.

    [Amber Heard:]
    I am truly sorry Pistol and Boo were not declared. Protecting Australia is important.

    [Johnny Depp:] Source:
    Declare everything when you enter Australia. (nods head) Thanks.

    • Ghenghis McCann

      “(nods head)”,Yep, that was the agreed signal to show he was saying it under duress. Or was it that the alternative was a big fat fine for breaking Australian law, and he was asking “Was that OK, can we go now?”

      • DoILookAmused2u ?

        They were threatening to euthanize the dogs.

        • Ghenghis McCann

          The dogs were probably lucky they were owned by “celebrities”.

  • goonemeritus

    I really wish McCain represented a State that was populated with a lower percentage of loons. I think deep down he is a honorable man that is pulled to the dark side by the nuckleheads in Arizona.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Many of the militia loons in Arizona came there to be militia loons. They are transplants who arrived with the specific purpose of being loons in Arizona.

      • goonemeritus

        No backsies, they’re Arizonans now.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Well, long land border with Mexico, so they have an “invasion” to be all bothered about.

      • Toomush_Infer

        Their brains were sunburned long before they got there…

        • Grizz1y

          Cain’t sunburn what ain’t there ta start with.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        And we say “bienvenidos!”

    • sw19womble

      TBH if I’d gone through that shit in Vietnam, then come home and – after a decent stretch of public service – got buttfucked by my own Party when I wanted to stand for higher office, I think I’d be a bit shouty and angry and “okay then fuck y’all!” in my dotage.
      Christ knows how he’ll react to being threatened with public hanging by a bunch ammosexual dimwits. It’d definitely throw me over the edge.

      • Swampgas_Man

        Knowing what I know of McCain, probably roll his eyes, mutter something obscene, and go on to the next paper.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      no he’s not- he’s a carpetbagger asshole who hasn’t done anything honorable since he let W’s team shit all over his family in South Carolina back in 2000

      • Señor Skwerl

        I thought all Arizonistas were carpetbaggers?

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          I moved here 15 years before he did and I’m 25 years younger. He didn’t come to AZ until he retired from the navy to mooch off of Cindy’s dad’s vast beer fortune and numerous political connections

      • goonemeritus

        “Warren, McCain introduce bill to bring back Glass-Steagall”.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          and yet he’s endorsed Drumpf, the candidate who wants to repeal all financial regulations, including Dodd-Frank

          • goonemeritus

            He’s a Republican up for election of course he endorsed Trump. As did every non retiring member of congress. The Thing about McCain is every 6 months or so he does something that seems the opposite of evil. For a Republican Senator that makes him a unicorn that farts sprinkles.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Except that endorsement invalidates everything he’s said or done- whether it’s financial reform, his calling out Islamophobia or opposition to torture. Yes, a couple times a year he does something “mavericky”, but even that is raw opportunism. It’s just his way of keeping his cred with the villagers so he’s guaranteed that permanent seat on the Sunday talk shows. His entire career is about sticking his finger in the air to see which way the wind blows and acting accordingly. He didn’t stick up for Bamz in 2008 at his campaign event out of principle, he did so because birtherism was still politically toxic at that point. He signed his name to the Warren bill for that “statesman cred” and because financial reform was popular at the time. But what has he done since then? Has he spent even an ounce of political capital trying to shepherd that bill through Congress? Liz certainly has, but all Walnuts wanted was the opportunity to point to that signature for his reputation. Even McCain–Feingold was nothing more than career rehab for his role in the Keating five. All politicians pull this crap, but McCain is the master at it. He is unparalleled at crafting his public persona with whatever self serving BS happens to be best for him at any given moment, only to do a 180 the moment it is politically expedient for him to do so.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Nah. He picked Arizona because his wife’s wealthy family was already heavily connected with the loons.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        and mobsters

      • Ducksworthy

        Ah yes. The wife. Is Cindy appearing at Sturgis this week?

  • Notreelyhelping

    Heads…will…roll. Or not.

    • Lefty Frizzell

      Only if they calculate the drop wrongly. Which these guys would, I guess.

      • SuspectedDemocrat

        Maybe the first few times, by the time their Trump Paradise gets into full swing, they’ll be pros. Through trial and error, just like the founding feathers intended!

  • Beowoof14

    Tough guys talking tough would fold up when shit got real as it did for McCain. These guys show up every election and like a manure spreader drops tons of crap hoping it will stick somewhere.

  • AngryKatie

    My initial reading of this was extra weird because I confused Oath Keepers and Promise Keepers. I was trying to figure out how they got from wanting all the ladies barefoot, pregnant and silent to this.

    • natoslug

      Pretty sure they subscribe to each others’ newsletters.

      • AngryKatie

        Which is too bad, because I’d love it if the Promise Keepers sued the Oath Keepers for trademark dilution.

        • Toomush_Infer

          “It’s an Oath, not a Promise……geez!….”

          • Ducksworthy

            And what did the Romans ever do for us?

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Venn diagram: two circles superimposed on one another.

  • Logic of Color

    “Thanks a lot McCain. Asshole.”
    — ’67 Green Bay Packers

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      Really it’s the Packers who have been implicated here. Why isn’t he calling for their heads?

    • RepubAnon

      Top secret info that the Green Bay Packers were flying missions over Vietnam was revealed!

      Seriously, all this shows is that “taking the gloves off” yields good propaganda filler, and no useful intelligence.

  • SuspectedDemocrat

    No intent? Why, this was an elaborate plot from the beginning.

    Step 1: get shot down, break many bones
    Step 2: release statement to Vietnamese media
    Step 3: ______?
    Step 4: Overthrow U.S. government. Also, profit!

    • Panika MCD

      Oaf #1: I still maintain he broke his own limbs to cover up the TREASON and the mark of Cain.

      Oaf #2: yeah, but there’s like, no proof or whatever. he could have been sitting down in one of those fox holes eating shrimp cocktails and drinking champagne the whole time.

      Oaf #3: ……

      Oaf #4: I found a sworn statement from on Misty Malarky Ying Yang’s Improv 101 that John McCain was a student in 1971 hidden in a Cat Fancy in the bathroom at the National Archives!

  • Villago Delenda Est

    The Oaf Keepers are just pure scum. Nothing good about them at all.

    • BrianW

      Well, I would say that they are an excellent example (among many, to be sure) of the need for better mental health care in this country.

      • vivian

        … and education, in particular Civics.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        And a better educational system.

        • BrianW

          Well sure. There IS a wish list.

  • Toomush_Infer

    They don’t care – they’re just havin’ Stormtrooper fun…

  • Arolpin

    I just finished reading “War Trash” by Ha Jin, a fictional account of Chinese soldiers captured as prisoners-of-war during the Korean Conflict. It largely deals with the day to day life of a POW, but a major plot point is the battle between the Communist Chinese and the Nationalist Chinese and trying to convince other POWs to repatriate to mainland China or Taiwan respectively.
    The way that the former POWs were treated upon their return to mainland China (treated as traitors because they allowed themselves to be captured, any resistance that they engaged in while POWs is negated because they were captured, basically exiled to remote regions in China, etc) made it quite clear to all involved that they were cannon fodder at best.
    Dictator’s gonna dictate, be their facist or communist I guess.

  • DodgeDixie&Descartes

    I used to hate McCain for Palin, but now I see her as the gift that keeps on giving. The joke never gets old. I disagree with Senator McCain on all but few issues, however I respect his time in uniform (just as I respect John Kerry’s) and I respect his stance on torture. Remind me again, how Oathkeepers different than ISIS? Is it just the fashionable headgear?

    • chazmanr

      Their dogma is essentially the same. You don’t believe like we do…you DIE!

    • Angela Ruzzo

      The Oath Keepers speak English (sort of) and pray to Jesus. That’s all it takes in America to be different from ISIS.

    • limberrat

      The Oath Keepers haven’t killed anyone… yet.

    • just_jim

      I see Palin as the grift that keeps on grifting.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Jesus, I can’t stand Walnuts, but seriously? You clowns want to hang him for treason? Are you clowns fucking nuts? Please don’t make me feel sympathy for that old coot…

    • Panika MCD

      I feel sorry for that old coot, but it’s because I think he’s starting to get a touch of dementia–which sucks. that is more reason to want him to retire–and if he would do it voluntarily, that would be great for him so everyone can once again call him a hero.

  • proudgrampa

    The more I know people like the fucking Oath Keepers, the more I like my dog…

    • tehbaddr

      4 legs good, 2 legs bad!

  • OrdinaryJoe

    And then we have 4F Trump who throws somebody else in front of the bullet at the first sign of a problem.

  • Jennaratrix

    The cognitive dissonance here is just astounding. Giving false information while being tortured? Treason. Taking over federal land and threatening the lives of law enforcement? PATRIOTISM!

    Here’s the thing. I’m no mindless military booster; I study and teach US military history and work for the Army, so I know there’s good and bad on all sides of this issue. I’m a registered Democrat and wouldn’t support Senator McCain if I lived in Arizona. But whether you agree with war (all wars or just Vietnam) or not, whether you like McCain or not, the fact of the matter is the man was doing his job under direct order from his commanding officers, the US military, and ultimately, the President of the United States. During the commission of his duty, he was shot down and grievously injured, and kept in a filthy POW camp for more than five years without proper medical treatment. He was tortured to get him to divulge information that would be detrimental to the war effort, and did everything he could, including giving false names and already compromised bases, to avoid doing that – while in pain most of us can’t imagine and in fear of his life. For ANYONE to question his motives or his love for country (again, as problematic as that idea is) is just… I don’t really have words.

    These people have gone off the deep end. You don’t have to agree with a man to acknowledge his sacrifice, and to suggest that he’s a traitor because of what he went through is disgusting.

    • Courser

      Throughout the ’04 race, while I was certainly not going to vote for him (esp. after Palin), I had no doubt that he’s a hero and a generally good human being. I also was not shit-scared about what his Presidency would look like.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      I agree with you, but it helps to remember that 70% of the people in this world have an IQ between 85 and 115. They do not have far to go to fall off the deep end.

      • Jennaratrix

        Such. A. Low. Bar.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Yes, and they get to vote. It is right and proper that they should, but it does explain a few things.

          • Jennaratrix

            Really, it explains all the things. (But you’re right, everyone should be able to vote. Even people we don’t agree with. Someone please tell that to Republicans.)

      • eddi

        But why are so many of them showing up in the US? By percentage the Chinese and Indians should have more of these ding dongs.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          They do have more in China and India. But they don’t have voices, because they don’t have greedy capitalist politicians and groups like the NRA actively encouraging them and wooing their votes, or a greedy capitalist media owned by corporations that reports everything they say and do, and they keep them so busy working 12 hours a day in factories that they have no energy to form groups like Oath Keepers.

          • eddi

            Freedom of speech is necessary. Fortunately that includes freedom to mock these fools unmercifully.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            Very true, and I take great pleasure in exercising my constitutional right to do so. Thanks, Wonkette!

  • chimichanga

    WTF-such mother fucking assholes. Feel better now.

  • Panika MCD

    “the usual punishment for someone convicted of treason, which is to be hung by the neck until dead.”

    this gave me a little tickle in the ol’ brain pan because, as far as I understand it, neither the feds nor the state governments hang people anymore–and even when they did they had fancy charts for how long a rope should be per the convicted’s height and weight to assure that the neck was snapped in a manner which would result in instant death. (hanging by a rope for suffocation is considered cruel and unusual punishment).

    for a long time in Britain and other European countries, this was not the end of the treason punishment either. you were hung (in a manner that broke your neck to immobilize, but not to kill), drawn (they cut open your belly and pull out your intestines while you watch) and quartered (they tie each of your arms and legs to four separate horses and send them off in 4 different directions).

    not only that, but I didn’t think there was a “usual” punishment for treason. turns out I’m right: you can be executed, but you can also be subjected to a minimum sentence of 5 years with a minimum fine of $10 thousand–probably what the Bundy Militia will get.

    thanks, google machine! I give this statement 6 of 10 imaginary shits.

    • Courser

      Yeah, I was seriously traumatized by that scene in Braveheart. My bf had taken me hoping it would provide a little break from being at my dying mother’s bedside. Being already quite depressed, this did not help. At all.

      For the record, the scene is not terribly explicit, but you know what’s going on which is worse in some ways.

      • Panika MCD

        I would upvote that, but it’s too sad. is that now an ex-bf?

        • Courser

          Oh yeah, he’s gone. Like a bad penny he turns up now and again, but I keep him at a looooong distance.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        I was glad they did not show setting fire to the intestines which had been ripped out, which was standard procedure at the time. With today’s computer graphic capabilities, they will probably show that the next time such a scene is filmed. It may already have been done, for all I know.

  • Ilgattomorte

    Rhodes is a true patriot! After hanging McCain for treason, I’m sure he’s going to want to go after the starting line of the Green Bay Packers for their covert actions during the war.

    Dammit! We can’t let Ray Nitschke off the hook!

    • SuspectedDemocrat

      I just have one question: Is coach going to let us win this time?

  • zerosumgame0005

    so what oath do these “Oath Keepers” actually keep?

    • Angela Ruzzo

      “To defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” But they get to decide who the enemies are. I ran into a bunch of them last year in a small-town welding shop. They said “We speak for America.” I said “Funny, but you don’t speak for me, and I am an American.” They seemed shocked. Perhaps they are not used to women with opinions. They are not very bright people. There were about 20 of them in the welding shop that day, sitting around drinking beer in their overalls, and they were all uneducated white male Army veterans from the Gulf War. They talk a lot about how Veterans are not getting their rights. They hate Obama like poison.

  • Jason Freeman

    Rhodes already admitted to being a Trump supporter, which in my mind equates to a maximum of double digit IQ. Next, and most importantly, I may not agree with McCain’s politics but that does not mean that I cannot recognize and appreciate his service to the US. Pretty easy to be here in the states and criticize a POW who acted honorably under torture isn’t it, fucktard? Big fucking talk from a man who has never been in that position. Go inflict a fatal injury on yourself please, maybe then I could appreciate your service to the country as well.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    I was never a believer in “An eye for an eye. . .” but when I read things like this, my first thought is “Let’s send Mr. Rhodes to an ISIS camp in Iraq and see how well he does under torture.”

    • DainBramage

      Nah, he’d just flip to being the biggest ISIS a-hole around.

      • Gleem-McShinez

        “You guys wanna destroy the USA too?! We’re not so different after all!”

    • Allen Jordan

      They dream of 50 Shades of Gray, and they always imagine they’re the ones with their hands on the whip. Sadly, for them, it’s going to be ballgags, brownie mix and clown porn.

  • Nockular cavity

    These assholes want to talk about people who have been tortured? They crumpled when people mailed them dildos.

    • The Wanderer

      Well, there’s torture, and then there’s implying that we know what their fantasies are.

  • tehbaddr
    • theblackdog

      But they forgot to bring even those.

  • NotALiar

    Didn’t theyou offer to release McCain a few times and he refused to leave without his fellow P.O.W. Yea what a traitor. I dispise his politics but I have enormous respect for Mr McCain.

    • DT

      Basically, yeah. Usually POW swaps or however they secured release would go by who had been held longest. Since he was an Admiral’s kid they offered to release him out of order. He refused.

      You can hate the man’s politics (I do), you can call him a shit pilot (three crashes, one in training). But he is a fucking war hero if there ever was one.

  • SuspectedDemocrat

    Did McCain get a purple heart? Big deal, Trump has a purple heart, they’re not that hard to get y’all. In fact, look at the video of Trump receiving his. It’s easy!

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    Hah, the Oathkeepers hightailed it out of Ole Granpa Cliven’s psychotic cowfucker jamboree and they’re attacking Panamanian strongman Juan “El Matador” McCain for being cowardly and giving in? That’s like Trump calling anyone weak….hilariously pathetic.

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    I guess Chuck C. Johnson really shit the floor with this story…..

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    Ya know, I’m glad the Vietnam generation is getting so old that these squabbles are beyond passé and totally irrelevant. Fuck me, I’m tired of hearing about it- none of this has anything to do with fuckin’ ‘Nam, Walter!!

    • doktorzoom

      Goodnight, sweet prince…

  • Jackofalltrades

    As a veteran, I fail to understand why McCain and others like him support a party who only likes the military when it’s time to send them to a war. As a man I don’t like him, but as a veteran he is one of the best. I had alot of respect for McCain, but lost it after he basically endorsed that orange haired freak who belittles him and all other veteran.

    • bubbuhh

      Given his choice of Palin, it’s obvious that he escaped from his mental facilities somewhere along the way. He should be living quietly at home.

    • Hardly Ideal

      I voted against McCain, and I’d vote against him if he ran again. And I’ll never forgive him for inflicting Sarah Palin and the Tea Party on us all. (sure, you could say that the Tea Party would’ve happened with someone else if it weren’t Palin. But it didn’t so… *sigh/shrug*) I could really go on.

      But holy shit, the Oath Keepers and Trump and all the other freaks who have come along? Compared to them, he deserves a spot on Mount Rushmore. The bar has sank that damn low.

  • Jenny

    Hey John remember when you gave legitimacy to Conspiracy Loon Barbie? Yeah. You built this.

  • jesuswasablack

    Hmm, what can a man do when one asshole is beating up another asshole,I got your oath Keeper right here:

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    I also want to note that the Oathkeepers are doing this because they’re butthurt over McCain’s comments regarding their hero Donald Trump, a guy who’s NEVER read the Constitution and has no regard for it anyway. I want to ask, what oath are you lubed dildos keeping by supporting Velveeta Mussolini?

    • eddi

      Their oath to keep Hillary out of the White House.

    • DainBramage

      Their oath to keep the RWNJ grift money and attention coming in.

  • bubbuhh

    Aha! McCain claimed he was black. Isn’t that a shooting offense?

  • Lizzietish81

    These people really are vile.

  • Juan de Fuca

    If Stewart Rhodes had paid attention during his Code of Conduct instruction in the military, he would’ve learned the code was made so that POW’s had a set of guidelines to follow if they were captured and that every person has their own breaking point – you will give more than name, rank and SSN if driven past that point, and that’s okay. It’s called being human.

    I’m assuming Stewart Rhodes was in the military. I know what the Marines say about assuming but I was Army and later USAF, so I assume alot. I also assume Stewart Rhodes is an opportunistic jackass.

  • Gorillionaire

    This is all just really, really sad.

  • jowgajen

    I say let’s subject these assholes to half of what McCain suffered for a tenth the time and see what they say after that.

  • georgiaburning

    A crazy thing about the Vietnam war and it’s political effect in the 2000’s is that the three candidates who did serve there in some capacity (Gore, McCain, Kerry) have all been hooted down by crazy right-wing loons, who instead supported W Bush, Cheney, and now Trump. All of whom, in some manner, dodged going over there.

    • beatbort

      And W. himself went AWOL.

      • Smokahontas

        He went so AOL he still can’t find him!

    • phoenix00

      …. and threw the US into another unjust quagmire of a wasted war.

      2/3. And I will bet money it will become 3/3 if Trump’s ever elected.

  • Ghenghis McCann

    “Elmer Stewart Rhodes” I wonder why he uses his middle name?

    • hendenburg2

      probably reminds him of his main source of calories in kindergarten

    • HooverVilles

      Thanks for the laugh.

  • akryan

    I wonder what they think about those guys that shot all the police? They felt that they were just fighting back against an out of control police state. One of them actually was a sovereign citizen nutter. Both were ex-military. Sounds like an Oath Keeper to me.

  • Operation American Jesus®

    I don’t normally have cause to weep before lunchtime even rolls around. However, the recounting of McCain’s unholy suffering post crash and capture in Vietnam and the miraculous length of time he held out before finally, brilliantly, “confessing” to his captors the names of the Green Bay Packer’s offensive line, speak of incomprehensible human endurance and will. These features of courage are forged by sovereign shit-sitter, constitutional mythologist and professional wanker Stewart fucking Rhodes every time he calls himself “Patriot.”

    Senator McCain and I reside at opposite ends of the political spectrum, but I would be honored and proud to shake his hand.

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    • HooverVilles


    • Incoming Ham

      I am sad that I can’t upvote this more than once.

  • Bear OmNomNom

    Eighth Wonder of the Right-Wing World: the Colossal Idiocy of Rhodes.

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    How long would it take me to break under threat of physical torture? As long as it would take me to type the words “Fuck Stewart Rhodes.”

    My hunch is that Stewart Rhodes himself wouldn’t even last that long.

    • Juan de Fuca

      From what I can tell, he’s never even served in combat – not even in a combat support function. I don’t think he’s ever been downrange at all. He did a couple of stateside tours at Bragg and Ft. Lewis and then left the service. For such a militant right wing dude complaining about how a POW acted during Vietnam, you figure he would know something about the subject or would’ve stayed in long enough to at least know what the Code of Conduct is all about.

      The dude did at least one enlistment in the Army and has a law degree from Yale, yet doesn’t understand the Code of Conduct. People crack me up.

      • Iam Reading

        In my experience, non combat vets are the biggest chickenhawks. I like to drop in on their discussions, ask the where they were deployed and when, then share my very liberal opinion. They then ask where and when I was deployed. So funny to watch them deflate when I tell them. These types are so soft they can’t even recognize the million mile stare. Poseurs.

        • doktorzoom

          Back in 1945, it was only a Two Thousand Yard Stare. Then again, the light from 1945 has traveled quite a distance.

          • Iam Reading

            No doubt. After Vietnam, the stare lost 1,000 yards (jungle effect?) as my combat vet dad would refer to it as the 1,000 yard stare. I blame the million mile stare on inflation and the fact that Marines have to inflate everything. Jar head DNA, Dok. It can’t be helped!

          • doktorzoom

            The painting (which I first saw in high school, in a history textbook, which tells you I went to school in the 70s) is called “The 2000-Yard Stare,” though I’m pretty sure the 1000-yard version is the more commonly used term.

            Wonder if shell-shocked Europeans have a 1000 meter stare…?

          • Iam Reading

            Ha. I would assume so. After all, as Pulp Fiction taught us, they have the Royale With Cheese.

        • handyhippie65

          thankfully, i am a veteran of the cold war, not one of the hot ones. i appreciate you making it possible for bad back having me to sit here and point and laugh at these “patriots”. oorah!

          • Iam Reading

            Got my commission in late 89 and retired it in late 2011. My timing wasn’t great, but it is hard to serve that long without politicians throwing you into a war for no good reason.

  • Mavenmaven

    Stewart Rhodes- Trump’s future Defense Secretary.

  • Bear OmNomNom

    I’m not a violent bear, but I’ll be honest: I hope Stewart Rhodes falls in the vote-slurry tank at the vote-treatment plant, gets infected with multidrug-resistant votes, and spends several terrible weeks Linda Blairing split-vote soup out of his votehole.

    • phoenix00

      While being worked over by North Vietnamese, I assume?

  • Swampay

    I do not advocate torture for anyone, not even Chuck C Johnson or Oaf Keepers or even Donald Drumpf. I’m just sayin’, their calling McCain a traitor for what he did under torture would be more convincing if they found a way to demonstrate how they personally would resist the sort of pain McCain was subject to.

    • Ghenghis McCann

      They’re all in their fantasy world where while they’re being tortured, they would break free and kill their torturers with a mighty blow and escape. They’ve seen it in the movies.

      • Swampay

        And I would support giving them the opportunity to test their beliefs.

        • HooverVilles

          They have the opportunity. It’s called enlisting. They like “proving” how manly they are by shooting guns from the safety of home.

          • Swampay

            Hear hear

      • jmk

        You forgot that as they escaped, they would be screaming “WOLVERIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE!!!”

    • Cliff Hendroval

      At least the “drink-soaked former Trotskyist popinjay” Christopher Hitchens had the proverbials to have himself waterboarded. He said after the experience “if waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture”.

  • Ezio

    So these “patriots” are so afraid of refugees or other immigrants all the while these guys are the ones who are really making threats of violence.

    Hypocrisy at it’s finest.

  • Enfant Terrible

    These 101st Fighting Keyboarders are like Japanese soldiers stranded on Pacific islands, not knowing that the war is over.

  • Will in Pgh

    “Hung by the neck…” Incorrect usage, or guilty fantasy run amok?

    • Iam Reading

      Is that like a chin-do?

    • Too many Pace Picante Sauce commercials:

    • Me not sure

      Must be incorrect usage. The other would make shaving a bitch.

    • phoenix00


  • Iam Reading

    Ok, but only if they toss in the quitta from Wasilla.

  • wurman

    That phony confession written by the Vietnamese looks very much like something Maureen Dowd would compose. Just sayin’. . . .

    • phoenix00


  • LadyLaz

    That is pretty wretched.

  • cessnadriver

    I am beginning to think these oaf creepers might be a bunch of assholes.

    • Barley_Brains

      Glad you gave it some time and did not jump to conclusions.

      • cessnadriver

        I do like to take my time and think things through.

  • As far as I know, “to be hung by the neck until dead” hasn’t been a “standard” outside of Louis L’amour novels and Newgate Prison.

    The last Americans to be executed for treason were Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, and they were electrocuted.

    …Which just goes to say that this guy is even wronger about this thing.

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  • JParkerSD46

    First, I didn’t even suspect the John McCain was a black criminal! No wonder the wingnuts hate him so much, just like that other well-known black criminal Barak HUSSIEN Obama. And, 2, I just wonder how Rhodes and his other tough-talking traitors-in-waiting would perform under the circumstances McCain faced. I’m no McCain fan, but Rhodes and the “Oath Keepers” can go fuck themselves. They haven’t got one ounce of the honor McCain showed as a POW.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Bet a tenner if Rhodes or any of his other oafs came across Pannama John, they’d wet themselves. John boy is mean.

    • Vegan and Tiara

      I also dislike McCain intensely, but I would never suggest he be tried for treason. Now if the shoe was on the other foot, I’m SURE McCain would be calling for Obama to be executed for disloyalty.

      I would like to see McCain tried for his role in the Keating Five, but that’s another argument.


    I believe that there is a spelling error here–the correct spelling should be “Oaf Keepers”

    • phoenix00

      “Oat Keepers”?
      “Oar Keepers”?

    • cat cafe

      Is that the same as #squadgoats?

    • HooverVilles

      Oath keepers, another way to spell Rambo wannabes.

    • HooverVilles

      Funny thing how these chicken hawk oaf creepers seem to never sign up for military service and actually fight, but stay home and shoot guns to prove how macho they are.

  • Suttree

    The only Stewart Rhodes I could find on Wikipedia was a New Zealand cricketer. Somehow I’m pretty sure the American one would break if you denied him a breakfast at Denny’s.

  • Smokahontas

    Finally! A reason for the Packers sucking for so many years! DAMN YOU McCAIN!!!!!

    • phoenix00

      McCain gave away the entire playbook. Tsk.

  • Dark Watcher

    Torture Elmer Stewart Rhodes to find his breaking point. Then we can get back to waterboarding Sean Hannity to find out what a man he is.

    • kareemachan

      We’ve been waiting WAY too long for Sean’s for-charity waterboarding.

      • pat tolle

        @kareemachan- It’s been 7+ years for Shun Sannity. The thing about Oathkeepers is they often include members of local police organizations. Ex-military who could not think of what do do with themselves, and had no other salable skills. For Shun I believe he saw his more courageous friend Mancow Muller break very quickly when waterboarded and Shun decided, then and there, to back out of his pledge.

  • Sami

    This is disgusting. Sickening.

    There is a lot to say against John McCain. I’m really not a fan.

    This isn’t on the list. It’s not even close.

  • George

    I don’t know about this Rhodes person, who seems like a good target for some undefined business with a garden hose, but can someone please just punch Chuck Johnson in the throat and be done with it?

  • Parchment Scroll

    I had no idea who or what Chuck C. Johnson was until I read this article and started clicking on links. Now I know. I know that Chuck Johnson is, in fact, scum.

    He didn’t just offer $10k for recordings of McCain’s involuntary radio broadcasts, he heavily implied that McCain volunteered to do them, and he offered $10k of other people’s money, the shitstain!

    He got other people to fund stealing an Obama autobiography and used the presence of annotations on the manuscript to argue that it means Obama didn’t write it. This is because, as an “Award-winning Journalist”, he’s never had an editor somehow (oh yeah, because he’s a goddamn blogger).

    Also in the autobiography “story” (a blog post with a link to a bootleg copy of the book) he claims that the part where the words “My grandfather was a Muslim” are crossed out indicate BARACK OBAMA IS A SECRET MUSLIM AND HAS BEEN ALL ALONG THERE IS NO PROOF IT’S NOT TRUE YOU CAN’T DENY THE CLAIM

    • Grokenstein

      Chuck C. Johnson (the middle initial will remain very important) is an astonishing piece of…work.

      One could spend an entire day reading about his madness at Little Green Footballs, itself run by a former neo-con Republican who got woke several years ago when the Right grew too extreme for him. Now he covers the violent insanity of alt-right loons and CCJ (AKA “The Rage Furby”) is a pet project for him because they share they same first and last name (hence the middle initial being important). Rage Furby has responded the same way he responds to everything: stalking and threats of legal action.

      When Rage Furby isn’t rattling his cup for donations, he’s bragging about having tons of cash with which to pursue his enemies in court. The history of his lawsuit against Gawker is comedy gold, though it’s largely lost in Gawker’s legitimate legal woes.

  • WampusKat

    Speaking of Oath Keepers, did I mention that “progressive” Glenn Greenwald is a fan:

    “Why Is Glenn Greenwald Promoting an Extreme Right Wing Militia?”

    Also, too: Greenwald’s BFF, Ron Paul, starring in Oath Keepers militia “documentary”

    “Paul, the father of Kentucky senator and current presidential candidate Rand Paul, previously appeared in Jaeger’s films Fiat Empire, Original Intent, Spoiler and Molon Labe. As we’ve previously reported, Jaeger’s group has a long history of publishing tirades against Jews (and their alleged involvement in child murder) and 9/11 truther theories.

    Jaeger believes Israel was involved in the 9/11 attacks and he recently compared
    the state of Israel to ISIS: “Is it thus any surprise that when Zionists call for a Jewish state (ISRAEL) and Arab-Muslims call for an Islamic State (ISIS aka ISIL) there is going to be massive and endless conflict?”

    One article he links to on his site, “Are Jews Conspiring to Take Over the World?,” says that while it may be a fraudulent document, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion “accurately describe much of what is happening in our world today.”

    Not surprising considering Paul’s racist history:

    “Civil liberties” my foot:

    Had the left done it’s homework on Greenwald, we would not now be looking at a Trump candidacy:

  • MaryMitch

    I can’t be snarky – this is just disgusting. I don’t share many policy positions with John McCain, but damn these people.

  • Lee Barclay

    McCain is bad . These “patriots” are worse . Much MUCH worse .

  • Wendy Veto

    Whatever evils John McCain has committed in politics, and he brought Sarah Palin into the public sphere for crying out loud, NOTHING diminishes what he endured in Korea and his refusal to be released early, ahead of other prisoners who had been held longer than he had. He knew what the price would be for defying his captors but he did it anyway because it was the right thing to do.

    Yes, he broke under torture. Every study on the horrors of using pain and terror as weapons against captives has shown that EVERYONE has a breaking point. I don’t have the words to allow him to absolve himself for breaking, but I can and will stand up for him when he faces this callous treatment from the wingnuts.

    I wouldn’t vote for McCain, for many political reasons. But I have a great deal of respect for him. These “oath keeper” yahoos? I’m pretty damn sure they’d spill their guts (literally and figuratively) at the prospect of a second open-handed slap on the face.

  • NO to U.N.Agenda21/30!

    Thank goodness for the oathkeepers. This is just a smear propaganda piece for idiots.

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