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Whether it’s the hours spent posting selfies for magic Internet points on Insta-Face-Chat, or tweeting about all the marijuanas smoked in basements, the youth of America has a lot to worry about. As a stagnant minimum wage and the heavy burden of student loan debt meet the prospect for another global recession thanks to the Brexit, the children of tomorrow have futures about as bleak as a George R.R. Martin story. Lucky for us Hillary Clinton has released her technology policy proposal, and (brace yourselves) it’s actually pretty solid. Hail science!

Under Hillz’s proposed initiatives, everyone gets a little something, from the pimply tween hacking together scrap electronics for a kick-ass science fair project, to the immigrant entrepreneur hoping to grab whatever is left of the American Dream. By merging together a handful of problems like rebuilding infrastructure, encouraging small business growth, and investing in STEM programs (that’s science, technology, education engineering,* and math for you grumpy, old Luddites), we might actually have a policy agenda based more on common sense than rhetoric and ignorance.

* Seriously, you’d think this was Dok trying to write about Tennessee or Kentucky.

There’s a surprising bottom-up approach to the entire program: introduce STEM to kids, encourage small business through financial incentives, retain talented people, build out digital infrastructure, and switch the U.S. government to open systems. Four-eyed techies and hardcore policy dorks couldn’t help but dab up the drool pools from their keyboards.

Hillz’s devious plan is to start hooking the kids on computers while they’re young. It’ll double-down on Obama’s Computer Science for All program, which set aside millions for computer science education. Through grants, the plan hopes to get high schools to focus more on science education tracks, and calls for the training of 50,000 teachers to not just diversify the tech sector, but to teach even grumpy olds how to jam with the keyboard cowboys.

As if churning out a nation of pocket-protected Trekkies wasn’t enough, Clinton’s plan also aims to bring in more filthy, non-English speaking immigrant students who want to study in the U.S., addressing the growing concern that the millions of international students who migrate to the U.S. to get educated at our kick-ass schools have to go home for arranged marriages or whatever, because they can stay stateside and eat cheeseburgers.

After she shoves calculators down the throat of every child and brainwashes them with algebra-letters to make America less dumb again, Hillz wants your ass out there and being somebody by starting your own business. By deferring payments to federal student loans for up to three years with zero interest and zero principal for new businesses in start-up phases, applying loan forgiveness for news businesses or social enterprises in “distressed communities” up to $17,500, and offering more loan deferment incentives for the first 10 to 20 employees who come on board with start-ups, you’d almost think a presidential candidate was trying FIX a fractured economy instead of setting up really crazy schemes to get college graduates to utilize their degrees.

unemployment degrees 1
Wait, journalism degrees are totally useless? Well, shit… unemployment degrees 2

Clinton’s policy also calls for continuing or expanding on other technology policies enacted under Obama. Aside from hitting Bamz’s All-Time Greatest Hits, like maintaining Net Neutrality, and increasing cyber security for public, private enterprises, it also fights for those same programs overseas, and increases Obama’s open data initiative in health care, education, and criminal justice, and improves transparency in government accountability programs.

It should be noted that some in the tech industry are hesitant of Clinton’s plan primarily due to an overwhelming amount of douchebaggery and sexism in places likes Silicon Valley and that it has the potential for abuse by wealthy techbros. But teaching and encouraging young women and girls to harbor an interest those fields is the best way to knock down glass ceilings held up by those same techbros and jerk-offs who think girls can’t be scientists, developers, engineers, architects, or presidents.

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  • MsAnthropesMr

    Between the parted pages and were pressed
    In love’s hot, fevered iron
    Like a striped pair of pants

    • Msgr_Moment

      Mmmmm. Sweeet greeen icing.

  • bubbuhh

    Will all arh kidz have to wear stripey pantz?

    • No, but they will be required to surrender their belts for suspenders and flood pants.

  • Astraea

    Wait, a plan and actual steps to complete it? What is this matriarchal madness???

    • MsAnthropesMr

      I think the GOP takes strategic advice from the underpants gnomes.

      • glasspusher

        I’m going commando for Hillz!

        • Astraea

          My new bumper sticker.

        • Msgr_Moment

          Pants for industry!
          Pants for the dead!

          • MsAnthropesMr

            Naw, man, I’m going to sit in a tree, cut off the soles of my shoes, and learn how to play the flute.

  • Msgr_Moment

    Are there no initiatives to shore up our horrible lesbian porn gap with Eastern Europe?

  • I Only Like Cats

    It should be noted that I am in fact a very out of practice science nerd who’d like to go to nerd college and this made me squee a little bit.

  • glasspusher

    Please. Only chumps and losers (like me) give a shit about science.

    • Msgr_Moment

      I would challenge your assertion, but I’m running around the house looking for some duct tape for my glasses.

      • h4rr4r

        Too oldz.
        The cool nerds use that carbon fiber wrap stuff these days. FiberFix. Good stuff.

        • glasspusher

          Many are the allotropes of carbon…sigh…

        • h4rr4r

          They make one for exhaust pipes even, never used it but looks like a far better fix than an old soup can and two hose clamps. Which is what we did when we wore onions on our belts, which was the style at the time.

  • Tallmutha

    STEMGHAZI!!!1!

    • Msgr_Moment

      COBOLGHAZI!!

      • Pierre_de_Fermat

        PL/IGHAZI!!!
        or PL/1GHAZI!!! for the VMS folks.

      • Querolous

        ALGOL?

    • memzilla

      FORTRANGATE!!1!!
      Oops, too oldz.

      • MsAnthropesMr

        I took Fortran. You’re not that old. Unless….

        *sob*

        • Msgr_Moment

          Learn programming? WATFOR?

          • Pierre_de_Fermat

            WATFIV!

          • MsAnthropesMr

            Firs job I had we had a PDP-11 running our machine controls. It had a 8″ floppy.

          • glasspusher

            Holy FSM. I didn’t think you were that old.

          • MsAnthropesMr

            45 3/4

          • glasspusher

            Ah, OK, still 6 years younger than me. Perhaps you were working on a PDP-11 because your company held on to older stuff.

          • MsAnthropesMr

            They made PDP-11’s till the 1990s

          • The Wanderer

            Eight-inch floppy? Viagra might have fixed that.

          • Msgr_Moment

            Mine is either eight inch or floppy. Never both.

          • bubbuhh

            Impressive. Did you straighten that out?

        • Pierre_de_Fermat

          Well, there is gfortran
          https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/GFortran
          Which, I am told, looks nothing like the FORTRAN (now “Fortran”) of old.

          • MsAnthropesMr

            The hardest thing for me to grok when learning OOP was not inheritance, which some said was difficult, but recursive functions.

          • glasspusher

            recursion (noun): see recursion

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            I didn’t understand a single word of this sentence.

          • MsAnthropesMr

            grok?

          • Msgr_Moment

            gr0k?

          • nothingisamiss

            I wish I understood this sentence. Meanwhile, can you help me get the little pictures on my telephone screen to line up a little better? I can’t figure them out.

          • MsAnthropesMr

            Shake it. They’ll settle to the bottom.

          • bobbert

            Once you do the Towers of Hanoi, it sort of clears up.

          • MsAnthropesMr

            For me, it was collapsing an arbitrary list of lists. The towers of hanoi, I still don’t fully understand.

        • The Wanderer

          (mutters, sotto voce) COBOL . . .

          • MsAnthropesMr

            Nope, my second language was Pascal.

          • Pierre_de_Fermat

            No Modula-2?

          • Pierre_de_Fermat

            I never put that on a Resume. I didn’t put Assembly either.

          • Jenny

            COBOL is still important!

      • SmokinGood

        LISP LIBEL!

        • memzilla

          I believe you mean: LIBEL LISP!

          • Querolous

            LISP LABEL

    • Msgr_Moment

      BASICGHAZI!!!

  • PortTaiLand

    Hillz is a policy dork. If we cared about policy, this election would be 50 states to zero.

    • SmokinGood

      Si, se puede. Well, maybe not Mississippi. Let’s not get TOO crazy.

      • nothingisamiss

        I fucking want Donald to crash so hard that Missi-fucking-ssippi turns blue. Maybe he could say “hunting is for losers and Jesus was a homo” on the last week of his campaign?

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      I love her because she looks like she reads policy papers for relaxation. But then I’ve always been a sucker for a really big thinker.

      • PortTaiLand

        I like big thoughts and I cannot lie.

  • glasspusher

    It’s a trap! If you scan the stripes on those pants she’s wearing through a super market check out, you’ll find out her sekrit code for world domination! Wake up, sheeple!!11!!

  • Tom Lindsay

    Wow, I want those glasses.

    • nothingisamiss

      My first thought.

    • PubOption

      Since this is a stem thread, cyclooctane ring style?

    • PUAAN

      I HAD those glasses, years ago…

  • h4rr4r

    Unless they are going to do something about H1B abuse, why bother?

    If these people are that important, give them a fast track to citizenship, not make them sharecroppers.

    • FlownOver

      I thought H1B had been pretty much brought under control with a “cocktail” of medications.

  • Jeff in the desert

    MsAnthropesMr, this is your area……rock n roll!

  • memzilla

    But… but… but… if we implement programs like these and place an emphasis on intelligence and critical thinking skills, where are the next generation of Rethuglican voters going to come from? PRE-IMPEEEECH!!!11!!!

    • shaar dula

      love pre-impeach!! watta word

    • eddi

      They will have to import UKIP voters and give them dual citizenship.

      • FlownOver

        Hmmm. Anti-immigration immigrants. Watch out for the fragments of asploding heads.

    • marxalot

      Wait wait wait.
      No one said anything about critical thinking. This is comp sci they’re talking about, not philosophy.
      For further insight into empirical does not equal critical, have you seen the #Rationalia thing?
      TL;DR- empirical scientific principles don’t cross over into political science, results of all attempts so far have been disaster.

      • memzilla

        It requires critical thinking skills to identify the problem you wish to solve with your code, and to do it efficiently, within an established framework. Besides, programmers use things called “libraries,” and I defy you to find me a Trumpazoon who does that (other than for a pornternet connection).

        • marxalot

          You are ignoring the pro-Trump tech douches. Some people never make the logical leap to thinking critically about the world at the macro-level.

  • tehbaddr

    Ermahgerd Hillz and Her Berks!

  • SmokinGood

    Pretty sure the E in STEM is Engineering, not Education….

    • Greg Mulka

      All pedantry must be performed by the guy who steps on Dr. Scott the Paleontologist’s moment on Dinosaur Train.

  • Astraea

    I generally agree with Clinton that tuition should be adjusted for income, except I really wish the Dems would address the difficulties for students whose families won’t help them at all for whatever reason. I’m lucky that I had a supportive middle class family. But I’ve heard from people whose families won’t even give them the financial info they need to complete the FAFSA, so they’re completely stuck. For example, people whose families will only send them to someplace like Liberty U or people whose families aren’t supportive of University education.

    There doesn’t seem to be any way for them to appeal to anyone to get aid or tuition reductions based on their own income because our current system says that families are responsible for helping out young college students.

    • SmokinGood

      You “adjust for income” by taxing the rich and giving handouts to everyone. Efficiency! Less bureaucracy! Win!

    • glasspusher

      Don’t forget to cut some administrative fat:
      http://universitytitlegenerator.com

    • Lizzietish81

      I saw a post like this in the Raised By Narcissists subreddit this morning.

      Even my cheap ass dad helped with that…mostly because he could still claim me as a dependent.

      • Astraea

        I’ve read stories from people whose parents wouldn’t even give them the accurate financial info you need for the FAFSA, while still claiming them as a depenent because the kids weren’t able to get a good enough job to move out. I don’t know how much it happens, but they shouldn’t fall through the cracks because of terrible parents.

  • Jeff in the desert

    Look you libtard, commie, pot smokin’ gun haters….I don’t want any of my hard earned cash going to no science program that teaches anything that the Lord doesn’t want us to know. I mean maybe if the money went to gun research, making a better weapon for mowing down them terrorists…Trump is gonna get us back to them basics….God, Country, Jesus, you know the right things in life. Forget science, don’t need that shit…’scuse me..got a call on my iPhone…….

    • tehbaddr

      Needs more caps, misspelling, outrage and eleventies!!!!!111111!!!!!!

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        And umlauts.

        • Querolous

          ṰḪḚṘḘ ḀṜḖ ṄḜṼḘṘ ṪṒṌ ṀḀṈẎ ṸṂḼḀṲṰṤ ¡¡¡!!!!

    • eddi

      Don’t forget to mention your disability check.

    • The Rapture is going to happen any day now, after all. Has been for decades.

    • julienne58

      WImmim gettin’ shoes! REELIJUSS FREEDUMS!

  • MrBlobfish

    We also need something for the kids who are good with their hands. Rebuilding our infrastructure would be a tremendous boost for them.

    • Jeff in the desert

      You mean like apprenticeships?

      • MsAnthropesMr

        No, that’s where schools send all the behavior problems. Every one should go to college, haven;t you listened to Bill Gates?

      • MrBlobfish

        I should have been an electrician. Instead, back in the 90’s, everyone said go into computers. You’ll always have a job. Right. A job always one step away from being outsourced.

        • MsAnthropesMr

          I wanted to be a machinist like my Dad. Instead, I got a chemistry degree. It worked out OK I guess.

          • Painter of Goats

            Could have been worse. My Dad wanted me to be a ChemE and instead I became a goatherd.

    • eddi

      A lot of the Engineering part of STEM needs skill with tools.

      • MrBlobfish

        You still need someone to build all the cool stuff.

        • eddi

          A lot of that is going to become the domain of computer guided machines. Hand building a machine from scratch will be for love not money. Preserving such arts is worthy but like blacksmithing, they are going away.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          I think a lot of lip service is paid to the value of craftsmanship and tradesmen, but in reality, we increasingly live in a disposable, cut-rate culture where expediency and low cost is primary. The internet has it’s place, but it is more often the bane of the artisan…if you sift through it long enough, you can always eventually find it faster and cheaper somewhere. When I am approached by potential clients of this ilk, I just shrug, save my breath, and walk away.

    • FlownOver

      I used to be good with my hands but I gave it up because of palm hair and failing eyesight.

      ED: Truth be told, I didn’t give it up.

      • MrBlobfish

        I understand. The pay isn’t good but it is satisfying.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    Will no one think of the English majors??

    • eddi

      No.

    • beatbort

      They will all be required to read science fiction.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I’d rather go to a FEMA camp.

        • beatbort

          Ditto.

      • The Wanderer

        I once took a semester course in Science Fiction Lit. Rudyard Kipling’s Aerial Board of Control story was featured, and I still get a slight frisson when reading or reciting “MacDonough’s Song.”

    • chortlingdingo

      Right?? Humanities teach you empathy and how to write, which is a super important skill that many STEM people need to work on ;)

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Plus, the world will always need bartenders.

      • SmokinGood

        Best college decision I ever made was to study with the maths and drink with the humanities.

        • shaar dula

          always. I mean always study with the maths

      • Astraea

        I get real tired of having to rewrite shit that engineers in our company “write” first.

        • PortTaiLand

          This is one of the (many) reasons I refer to myself as a “recovering” engineer.

        • chortlingdingo

          I wonder if engineers are better or worse than software developers at writing?

        • formerChild

          Q: Know how to recognize an extroverted engineer?

          A: He looks at your shoes when he talks to you…

        • shaar dula

          imagine if you had to re-engineer shit.
          just saying. it takes an entire village and their aunties to raise a company.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        Back in the late seventies, a girl I dated in college with a liberal arts degree got a job as a programmer for a company, because they figured it was easier to teach someone with good communication skills the tech stuff than teach a tech geek how to interact with the end users.

    • marxalot

      Shh, shh. When they go to write their SOPs and their precious journal articles, when they have to work with Marketing and Legal, then they will remember us.
      For we know how to actually talk to people.
      Also, I note that Liberal Arts graduate degree holders are not that bad off. Can’t complain about 3% unemployment. The quality of the jobs, yes.

      • eddi

        A docent may count as employed but slaves get a better deal.

      • shaar dula

        lol. if y’all think the English of the Engineering types is bad, wait till you see the Engineering of the English types.

    • lol dood gtfo 4eva

  • limberrat

    Um, Dominic, the E is certainly not Education. This Engineer would just like you to know.

    • Msgr_Moment

      Oh yeah? Then how come Dok Zoom is so nerdy?

      • limberrat

        Well I am even MORE nerdy!

  • JVisconti

    Does this mean the end of spewing volcano science fair exhibits? Thanks Hillary.

    • eddi

      Replaced by amok killer robots. Chasing the football team coach around the gym. Nerd Power Baby!

  • shaar dula

    Technical schools please like in Germany. that will complete the circle.
    She’s also smart to focus on areas where the objectives are clear and impersonal. hence actual change can be made.
    k-12 has no clear objective and hence too much noise. k-12 means different things to different people.

    • MsAnthropesMr

      Well, it’s complicated. Part of which has to do with the fact that education is not federally mandated, nor federally controlled in any meaningful and cohesive sense. School like Germany’s have their own set of criticisms, as once you get locked into a trade – you’re there – where Americans place more of a value on freedom between jobs and reinventing yourself, which, is difficult to do when you’ve trained from 13 to be a carpenter.

      • vivian

        Hold on, now, just hold on! Is this a discussion of policy?! If comments were allowed here I would think you would have the good sense to limit your contributions to stoking the fear of the unintelligentsia. Where’s the reification for Chrissakes? We have rubes to alienate people! This is no time to think of actual solutions! When did a healthy discussion of alternatives ever help anyone?

        • MsAnthropesMr

          I know. Poop. Dick. Is that better?

          • vivian

            Now you’re talkin’! Quick, let’s find a minority to pick on….

          • Longstreet63

            Ooh, I know- white Christian males! They’re not really a minority, but they think they are, thus cheaper.

        • Usedtobeyellerdawg

          True! I feel like information is leaking into my outrage system.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I reinvented myself from a carpenter to an “artisanal woodworker”. Now I make even less money.

        • vivian

          But you take pride in what you do, no? Who can put a price on that?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            I wouldn’t trade it. It would be nice to be less stressed financially, but I made choices going in that I fully accept.

          • I was quite excited about the minimum wage laws until I realized that as a self employed person they didn’t apply to me.

            Furniture making is not for the financially faint of heart.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            And it never has been. You can find stories about guys like Goddard being willing to do almost anything for a few bucks. And we tend to be of the same ilk….our joy is in the work, not the business or promotion end of it. That has been my fatal weakness all along. I recently spoke to someone-now that I am old and broken down-about taking on the marketing task.

          • You’re a brother from another mother. I would gladly give all of my work away if I had enough money to pay the bills. I’ve just wanted to be left alone to do good work… for the sake of doing good work.

            Let me know how it goes with the marketing thing….. it’s the part of the business that I find to be utterly repulsive.

        • I’ll vouch for it being a bad business decision, but boy howdy, what a pleasant way to spend ones time.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Yes, finding one’s bliss is a good thing. That said, the most relaxed woodworkers I know have a spouse with a good income. I should look on the internet….

          • That was the advice given to me by some friends at the College of the Redwoods many, many years ago.

            My training is in traditional Japanese carpenty… tea house, temple, sukiya style work. I am certifiably unemployable, so I started my own gig.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Nice. The skill set, I mean. I remember back in the day when Japanese woodworking was all the rage. People were actually going to Japan seeking to apprentice…and finding out that you had to sweep the floor, clean the toilet, and generally be humiliated for about 10 years before you were taught anything.

            I still have some Japanese saws and cranked-neck chisels that I use all the time. I worked as a wheelwright and blacksmith for years. I am pretty much unemployable beyond my own shop as well.

          • I went through that training. It is so unfortunate that the tradition includes such psychological abuse, it is not a necessary part of learning how and why to do good work. For me at the time, well, it was the first time I took discipline from anyone. It is the one part of the “tradition” that I do not pass on to my assistants.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Yeah, I have no use for that mentality either. I came up with some hard, hard old-timers. Their knowledge was won with sweat…they guarded it zealously and were suspicious of others seeking it, lest they be put out of work. But they were not abusive, and I became very close to a number of them. I have no interest in belittling others…I’m exacting but generous to helpers or the vocationally curious.

            I’d love to check out your work some time.

          • Funny thing was, the Japanese carpenters never taught a thing. It was up to the “deshi” to steal what he could from them by watching and listening (to the sound of the hand plane on the wood, for example) to figure out things. If I was caught looking over his shoulder it would mean a quick strike on the back with a small bamboo switch to focus my attention back on my own work. Ridiculous in retrospect (this was 30 years ago), but at the time I found it surreal and took it upon myself to transcend the mind games. All in all, a tremendous experience.

            It’d be nice to talk shop over a few cold one’s some time.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Yikes..almost sounds like there was more going on with that kind of sadistic mentality than “woodworking”. I have a profoundly anti-authoritarian bent….I never could’ve have lasted through that.

            Def, on the cold ones. If you’re ever in Tucson….

        • shaar dula

          rofl. hahaha hahaha.

          • shaar dula

            I laff because I want to do that too. but don’t have the balls to. been telling myself to wait till retirement.

      • vivian

        One of the liabilities of our mythology that says “anyone can become President if they work hard enough” is that if you’re not the President or Picasso or LeBron James, you’re a fuck up. We treat people in service jobs like crap and regularly make jokes about “Do you want fires with that”. As a result, people in service jobs can become surly and defensive from being shat on all day. And then we complain about the service. If we treated every job as a source of dignity our world would improve.

        • MsAnthropesMr

          I teach scientists, engineers, teachers, and parents about how to talk to their kids about careers.

          The last thing I tell them is “Do not denigrate any career”

          a) You never know where the kids parents may work, and if they are trying to support their family – good for them.
          b) Unless you are going to stop eating at McDonalds, you will need people to serve your food and make change.

          Every job (well, expect for maybe political pundit) is important in some way, and every person in those jobs is deserving of dignity.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Nicely put. I drilled this concept into Drublic Jr. growing up. I was very proud of him that he had a job and was self-sufficient within a couple of days after graduating college and returning home. Not a great job, but a start….

      • I’ve had a few German guild students come and work for me for their “year abroad” portion of their carpentry “zimmermeister” training.

        These kids at 22 years old put 98% of our carpenters to shame with their engineering training (one year), CAD design education (one year), techical proficiency, and their atitude toward their work. The zimmermeister candidates were exceptional, well rounded individuals.

        • Longstreet63

          Plus “zimmermeister” is an awesome word…

          • PubOption

            Bob Dylan didn’t get that far in the hierarchy.

        • MsAnthropesMr

          Yes they are.

      • shaar dula

        Actually been discussing this with a visiting colleague from Hamburg. Apparently they can and do change professions.

        OT. Some of the stereotypes about Germans are really spot on and I might make an effort to emulate them.?

    • shaar dula

      having said that I’m not saying k-12 is not important or that it should have a single purpose. its just that other dimensions of education don’t often get the attention.

      • MsAnthropesMr

        No, you’re right, most K-12 does not have a clear objective.

    • marxalot

      Technical schools/gymnasium system please.

  • The Wanderer
  • AntiDerpomeme

    Give an immigrant brainiac a science grant and he’s just going to turn around and make a clock that looks like a bomb that looks like a clock out of it. Does Hillz care nothing of our hyperbolic brown-person-fearing school administrators?

  • Painter of Goats

    My Dad was an engineer, Mr. of Goats is an engineer, daughter numero dos is an engineer. This proposal gives me tingles. So do nerds for that matter.

    • limberrat

      Heh, my dad is, I am, and I am pretty sure my 4 year old is going to be if she keeps loving aircraft and building things.

    • AnOuthouse

      Small world. I drive trains too!

  • Joe Beese

    Attorney General Loretta Lynch described her Monday meeting with Bill Clinton aboard a private plane as “primarily social,” but even Democrats are struggling to stomach the optics of the attorney general’s meeting with the former president while his wife is under federal investigation.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bill-clinton-loretta-lynch-224972

    Be honest. If these were Republicans, you would scream bloody murder over this.

    But even if you’re deep enough in the bag that you’re prepared to take the participants at their word (“We just traded recipes for our upcoming Independence Day barbecues! That silly criminal investigation thing never even came up!”), you ought to be given pause by the incredible arrogance on display here. (“What will people think? Why should we give a fuck?”)

    I am not expecting Hillary’s administration to be a barrel of laughs.

    • MsAnthropesMr

      I thought the same thing as a Hillary supporter. This made me throw up in my mouth a little.

    • keenanjay

      I don’t get the outrage. What were they supposed to do, whistle to themselves as they walked past each other studiously staring into shop windows? Greeting an acquaintance is an adult, civilized thing to do.

      Reserve the outrage for SCOTUS judges attending private retreats on the Koch dime.

      • MsAnthropesMr

        Yeah, but appearances are important. Did anything untoward happen? Who knows. Even if they did discuss BBQ recipes, it is a piss poor campaign strategy to hand the repubs something to bitch about, when they can easily bitch about stuff they make up.

        • keenanjay

          Wouldn’t it be just as likely that conspiracy theorists/haters would have seen evil in them brushing past one another like they had something to hide? Because, sure, they could have something to hide. Or not.

          I guess it’s just my hopeless lament for civilized behavior. I know, this is the wrong blog for that.

          • BosGrl

            Not the wrong blog, civilized behavior with 2 people with differing opinions :)

      • Joe Beese

        They didn’t bump into each other at the magazine stand.

        From the link:

        Lynch had just arrived in Phoenix for a community policing event when Bill Clinton, who was on his way out of the airport, found out the two were in the same place and asked to visit with her.

        At which point Lynch, had she given a fuck about her department’s General Principles of Ethical Conduct, would have… politely declined.

        Employees shall endeavor to avoid any actions creating the appearance that they are violating the law or the ethical standards set forth in this part. Whether particular circumstances create an appearance that the law or these standards have been violated shall be determined from the perspective of a reasonable person with knowledge of the relevant facts.

        Try again.

        • Astraea

          2016 requires a lot of prioritizing which things I get upset about. This isn’t even close to making the list. I don’t believe for a second that Lynch just said to herself, “fuck ethics! mwahahaha!”

        • keenanjay

          I comply with the same ethical standards in my employment and it doesn’t prevent me from speaking with someone I know.
          You’re reaching.

          • AnOuthouse

            Your spouse isn’t running for President. Bill’s a idiot.

        • keenanjay

          BTW, I know they didn’t actually bump into each other at the Starbucks. I’ve observed metaphor and exaggeration are common tools on the Wonkette. As Astraea said, not outraged.

        • Bill Slider

          He is more than Hilary’s spouse, he’s the past President of the US. He has every right to ask, and she has every right to accept an invitation when they are in the same place at the same time. They both are involved in many mutual issues beyond Hilary’s emails. They likely are also friends. They know what issues are off the table. If he faulters, she will not.
          Besides, everyone who has been involved in national security knows, our secured servers, are not. Powell, Rice and Clinton all conducted State Department business using personal servers. A similar pattern existed at the Defense Department. But, only one person is under investigation.
          Investigate those responsible for providing and maintaining our secured systems that leak like a sieve, not the users.

    • Astraea

      Quick, form the Emailghazi panels!!!!!!!

    • Lance Thrustwell

      If Bill Clinton has some sort of serious influence he can wield over Lynch, he would have conveyed that to her more discreetly (verbally, obviously, but through a trusted third party). His meeting with her face-to-face was probably meant to convey that none of this is a big deal. That could backfire, obviously, but I think that was the point here, not some sort of Mafia lean.

    • Longstreet63

      The fact that it’s public knowledge kinda militates against it being a conspiracy. Clintons know politics, so I’m surprised it happened, but that it did, actually suggests they didn’t even think about anything untoward.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Agreed. And in fact, no “conspiracy” is necessary. If Lynch is already on board with going easy on Hillary, there’s nothing to discuss. And if she’s not, exactly what Bill could do about that is pretty unclear. Threaten her? With what?

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          Send her a dead fish in the mail?

    • bupkus23

      “But even if you’re deep enough in the bag that you’re prepared to take the participants at their word…”

      Just reading that, I’m convvinced that YOU’RE completely objective in your opinions. You’re the one who should be “honest”.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Lots of Republican DOJ cheifs met with plenty of indicted Republicans. No one has uttered a word, because it is not a big thing. Mostly because a: they do it in public instead of trying to hide it and b: they do not discuss on going investigations.

      • Bill Slider

        Exactly.

    • Bill Slider

      My take, AG Lynch may well be one cabinet secretary that Hillary wants to retain. Having Bill meet with her to convey that message is an excellent way for her to know that it is more than a rumor. It also sends the media down the wrong road to explore if Bill and Hillary are out to cut a deal with the AG on the investigation.

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        Let us face it. If Hillary sneezed it would send the media down the wrong road.

        • Doug Langley

          Or coughed.

  • bubbuhh

    OT Latest Trunip Scam Alert

    He Said He Forgave Loans to Campaign, but There Is No Proof

    When Donald Trump said last Thursday he was forgiving over $45 million in personal loans he made to his campaign, the announcement drew plenty of coverage. Many even reported Trump’s statement as if the deal was done.

    But it’s not.

    A week later, NBC News has learned the FEC has posted no record of Trump converting his loans to donations. The Trump Campaign has also declined requests to share the legal paperwork required to execute the transaction, though they suggest it has been submitted.

    Last week, campaign spokesperson Hope Hicks said Trump was submitting formal paperwork forgiving the loan on Thursday, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/after-saying-he-forgave-loans-campaign-trump-won-t-release-n601596?google_editors_picks=true

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      President Trump’s first move: Disolving the FEC and sending the lot of them to Russia, to be diplomats.

      • bubbuhh

        Ah, yah got the latest poop on his plans then.

  • lucidamente

    Wouldn’t it be easier if every kid just inherited $220 mil from his dad?

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    I’m buying stock in pocket protectors.

    • Painter of Goats

      Mr. of Goats retired from engineering 9 years ago. He still carries reading glasses, a pen and a pencil in his shirt pocket. I joke that I am going to have him cremated with these items.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I haven’t even advanced to the “shirt with a pocket” stage yet.

      • Longstreet63

        Do people still carry actual pens?
        Why, to write checks?

        • Justno

          Yes. Paper not for printers is still a thing that exists. Notebooks exist. Documents exist. Artists exist. Some writers prefer longhand rough drafts. Anyone who has to sign things in real life need pens. Sending physical notes with kids to school is still a thing. Etc, ad infinitum.

          • Doug Langley

            You absolutely would not believe the difficulty I’ve had trying to get some students to bring pen and notebook to class. Laptop? Sure. Lunch? Un huh. Cell phones, toys, crap all get crammed into their backpacks. But a pen to sign the quiz and prove they were there? Whatever for?

          • Justno

            Oh I believe it. I couldn’t get my own kids to use a pen in our own kitchen and neither can read my cursive handwriting. Once they reach the real world they’ll either adapt or starve. Sure, it’s nowhere near as ubiquitous but it’s hardly extinct.

            One year my house was in the path of three hurricanes within 6-8 weeks. Within 48 hours the batteries on our cellphones and laptops died and we learned why it’s not so foolish to have BCE through 19 century tech as backups.

        • Painter of Goats

          The pen is for signing credit card receipts in restaurants. The pencil is for crossword puzzles.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Pfff. Self-respecting crossword addicts always use pens.

          • SpideySenser

            My Dad always did the New York Times Sunday Crossword Puzzle with his trusty Cross Pen … and ONLY his trusty Cross PEN.

          • PubOption

            I have never seen a Parkerword.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          The pen in my purse is probably the single thing in there I use the most. Other than my car keys.

      • limberrat

        Were Mr. of Goats and I cloned?

  • Blender_415

    Trump’s reaction: “Stupid Hillary doesn’t even know a STEM is part of a FLOWER!!!!”

    • Lizzietish81

      “She’s gonna steal Stem Cells from aborted fetuses and use it to make kids smarter through Vaccines!”

      • FauxAntocles

        Alex Jones Conspiracy Award!

      • coneyro

        Hillary is walking proof of what happens when birth control fails. Or what happens when they kill the baby, but let the after birth live.

        That women literally makes me ill.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          Shut up and get the dishes done already.

          • coneyro

            Dishwasher…It’s 2016….Done already…

          • Jen_Baker_VA

            Good, now take out the trash and don’t forget to put the fucking cans in the right spot this time, or you will be getting the steel clamps tonight.

        • The Wanderer

          Aw, you’re so cute. Run along and play. Let the grownups talk.

        • Recipriversexclusons

          Yer Mumzy had a babykins, threw out the afterbirth, that afterbirth had a shat and you are that said shat that grew into the garbage spewing vile pile you are today… Grats!

      • coneyro

        Is there an anti-Hillary vaccine invented yet? People have to become immune to her already.

        • The Wanderer

          Unfortunately Fred Trump wasn’t introduced to condoms in time to prevent the hideous plague that is his parvenu son.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          You’re going to have a hell of a time come November. I suggest an isolating bubble- oh wait, you are already there.

    • Bill Slider

      Or, she misspells THEM on her stenotype once again.

  • FauxAntocles

    Warez my Tb download speedz? And make the 1% pay for that fucker!

    • Longstreet63

      Oh, come on…what are we? Korea?

  • Toadette

    Wait, there’s a candidate with positions beyond racist calls for walls and bans and vague claims of re-negotiating trade deals?

    Surely you jest. Everyone tells me these two are the same. You don’t think the folks turning up their noses at the dirty profession of politics and refusing to participate in democracy are uninformed, do you? Surely, you jest!

  • beatbort

    Yeah? Wait’ll you see Trump’s Science Policy! World’s tallest time share luxury condos! World’s most excellently made wall! How to walk away with Millions while being Bankrupt (top of the line math and physics needed for this one). Geodesic dome-style taco bowls. And other truly terrific, excellent science things. The best.

  • marxalot

    So, from this chart, I can say that graduate degree holders in the Liberal Arts have about 3% unemployment basically regardless.
    So take your “unemployable” and shove it right back up your ass.

    • bubbuhh

      So, stereotype about Liberal Arts majors being math challenged is, mebbe, true.

      • marxalot

        Also, my graduate degree is an MS. I am a Tricky Scientist.

      • Bill Slider

        Math challenged is a feature, not a bug. Only the smart ones who know they are math challenged, own it, accept it and willingly go for liberal arts degrees in political science, English or journalism, or history.
        Too many math challenged are like the height challenged who plans their life on a basketball scholarship and an invitation to join the NBA even though they are but 5′ 4″. They will grow into it. Quantum physics degrees pay well, and I admire those who have them. But, if it requires you to be a full time student for 20 years to earn it, you are in the wrong field.
        People who chose to bankrupt casinos as the best approach to achieve serious wealth, would have been wise to avoid a business or economics degree, also, too.

  • TeeRaak

    The sad truth is that 50% of people have below average IQ’s, and will never be able to see why electing a con artist like Dubya, McNasty, Mitt, Trump or basically almost every Republican is a bad idea until it blows up in their face, like a bad firecracker….

    https://media3.giphy.com/media/13MAfCwMuFBYGY/200w_s.gif

    • Toadette

      The thing is, this is a problem in-and-of-itself. Half of the population is below average intelligence, but they’re somehow expected to constantly reinvent themselves and jump from increasingly high tech field to high tech field to even begin to live a middle class lifestyle.

      Conservative solutions certainly aren’t going to work, but the less intelligent portions of our population are going to struggle and it’ll only get worse. They’ll probably get even angrier.

      • marxalot

        Rebuild the working class, while we’re at it. We have all that crumbling physical infrastructure. Why not teach people how to fix it? We need the trades! And they need unions/guilds!

        • Toadette

          The problem there is a large portion of the population is resistant to spending anything that might help someone else.

          That and expectations are so low in parts of the country. My old man is an IBEW trained electrician in Illinois. He’s since moved up into the office as an estimator and project manager. The average journeyman in his local makes roughly $33 an hour.

          Lately, he’s been bidding work for a local company and that included one of their plants down in Alabama. He is going through what is left of the IBEW there, but the average non-union electrician makes around $11 an hour, or so he told me. He even had to bring two of his foreman down to run the project (putting them up in a rent-by-the-week executive apartment) to run the work since he couldn’t find anyone who could handle the industrial sector.

          I know it sounds kinda dour, but ideology and racism has absolutely devastated the working class. When you talk about the white working class, it’s largely their own fault things are so bad. Even the unions were vehemently opposed to bringing in the “hordes” of minority working class in the ’70s and ’80s.

          You just can’t fix the working class until you fix the social problems.

        • eddi

          That will hold the line, maybe, for another generation. What to do when automation starts cutting into classic skilled labor realms is a not so long term problem. When being good with your hands has no marketability. And robot repair is out. That will be the first iteration of removing humans from the loop.

          • marxalot

            This is why we must also put those hands toward destroying the scarcity economy and the capitalist model. If the profits from automation weren’t sequestered by capital, it would be labour’s best friend.

          • eddi

            I just know the powerful are going to hold on to things as they are until it is too late. When the majority of people are no longer employable and have no resources or safety net to guide them the end result will be a literal bloody mess.

      • Longstreet63

        It’s clear that we need to elect someone who promises to increase the nation’s population to above average intelligence. We need to set a goal to keep below average intelligence below 30% by 2025.
        Because that’s not an election year and is more than two terms away.

        • Lance Thrustwell

          Okay, that’s pretty funny.

      • Dawn Abraham

        Half the pop has below avg intelligence? I dispute that. How do you calculate the IQ of a country? A whole lotta people are stuck and fighting losing battles but that doesn’t mean they’re stupid. They inevitably go down in flames and look horrible doing so, but maybe the system compelling them is stupid and needs the intellectual upgrade. Correlation isn’t causation.

        • keenanjay

          Alrighty then.

        • doktorzoom

          Think for a few seconds about what “average” means.

          Or don’t. Either way, somewhere in the aether, George Carlin is smiling. (He’s up in heaven now, with Kurt Vonnegut).

          • Dawn Abraham

            Picky picky … but you’re right. It’s just that I get upset hearing people are dumb. We’re constantly being undermined is closer to the truth.

            I’ll try to clean up my act.

            And don’t forget Will Rogers.

          • Dawn Abraham

            I’ll try to clean up my act.

          • Dawn Abraham

            You’re right. Will try to clean up my act.

      • TeeRaak

        I work in high tech. Sometimes I wonder if guy who fills the vending machines is smarter. He gave me a refund today for stale product, plus a free product. Now that’s smart to build loyalty.

        Many of my co-workers may have been smart, but they’re poorly educated and just keep getting dumber and dumber everyday because being a Conservatard means you must be ignorant of the corruption and lies that makes up the GOP.

    • Logic of Color

      So you really think that once it blows up in their faces they’ll see it was a bad idea?

      • Ricky Gay

        you can lead a Hoss to water but you can’t make him think.

      • TeeRaak

        Nah. They’ll blame it on everyone but themselves. But to see that dumbfounded look on their faces after they get conned is PRICELESS…

    • artem1s

      um, 50% are ALWAYS going to be below the average of anything you are measuring.

  • bubbuhh

    Real geeks do assembler. The rest is just sex toys.

    • The Wanderer

      There’s nowt wrong with sex toys!
      So I’ve heard.

      • bubbuhh

        Just add-ons, though ;)

    • MrCanoehead

      Assembler? I hardly know ‘er!

      (the original tagline for Her)

  • Bill Slider

    But, but, who will make the sammiches?

    • bubbuhh

      The cagey entrepreneurs with the business degrees.

    • nmmagyar

      ill-eagles

  • Scooby

    Wait till you find out science is a cruel mistress.

    • Pierre_de_Fermat

      It was ever thus …

    • Logic of Color

      That’s hawt

    • coneyro

      Hillary being born was one of the worst biological mistakes in scientific history.

      • BosGrl

        It’s…

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        No, see, God does not make mistakes and every sperm is sacred. So, QED.

      • eggsacklywright

        Someone has wandered away from the WND pen.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          Deploy the nets!

      • The Wanderer

        By what criteria do you judge her a ‘mistake,’ when her opponent has orange skin, bizarre hair, no penis, and constantly displays his lack of a functioning cerebrum?

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          Meh just another pretender to the bothsidesdoit tribe. Though judging from his history and all the Trans-steria and muslim hating, I am going to guess secretly a less bothsidesdoit and more a closet wingnut.

          • The Wanderer

            Hmm. Methinks I see a camouflage-patterned feather boa.

      • Recipriversexclusons

        So your IRL name is Hilary! Looking at your picture, does your mumzy wear Depants around you? Did you “no” there is a prez candidate by that name?

      • doktorzoom

        I dunno, I think hyperbole is worse than genocide. Oh, and you’re banhammered.

        May be too boring for Dear Shitferbrains, though.

  • OneYieldRegular

    This is all fine and good, but sweet jesus: more techies buying up my neighborhood? Can’t Hillz simultaneously fund an army of babysitters like the one my neighbor had as a kid, who used to read her excerpts from Naked Lunch at bedtime?

  • TJ Barke

    Can you believe this? Lying crooked Hillary wants the nerds to be cool! Unbelievable! We can’t let these pencil necks run the school! The jocks are who should be running the school. Make Home room great again!

    • Spotts1701

      BUILD THE DANG DODGEBALL WALL!

      • TJ Barke

        Stop letting the nerds pick teams!

  • Sardonicuss

    Looking at that picture, would like to know exactly what Hilz is describing as “this big”?

    • The Wanderer

      Obviously not Trump’s willy.

      • Sardonicuss

        Looking at the pants, I was going to guess “my new groovy bong”…but I thought others would take it elsewhere.

  • Fly

    Republicans will see this for what it really is, a plan to dupe our children into learning stuff and becoming democrats.

    • The Wanderer

      Of course! Clear, critical thought is anathema to them.

      • vivian

        Heh heh. you spelt math wrong.

        • Longstreet63

          Stupid experts, always spelling things wrong…

        • OddMan

          Math or maths?

          I’ve always been on the math side and think maths is just wierd.

          • PubOption

            As a Brit, I have always been on the maths side, the only only subject abbreviation that I can think of that ends in s is phys for physics, which doesn’t help.

          • Lamashtar

            As an American, I enjoy the chance to giggle at the adorable Britishy words.

  • Look Closer

    Will this country be able to take another brilliant president? I sure hope so!

    • coneyro

      Is there someone new running besides the two inhumans available now?
      If so, who is it?

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        Correction: One inhuman, one Hillary.
        Do try to keep up.

        Edit: I was going to invite you on the pirate ship because that picture, but then I read this:

        For example, if the private schools Obama and company send their kids to had to follow the same laws he proclaims for public institutions, those bathroom/locker gender issues would, in all probability, have had a different ending. If Muslims were required to resettle in their private enclaves, as well as in regular neighborhoods, again, the scenario would change.
        Unfortunately, that’s just how it is.

        You do know that there are Muslims in Obama’s soon to be regular neighborhood, right? And that his private school DOES have to allow Transgenders to use the potty they identify with, right?

        • coneyro

          I have not read anything about Obama’s neighborhood. However I did read that private schools are exempt from Obama’s bathroom policy. However, they could comply voluntarily.
          Where did you read specifically about the Sidwell School having a changed bathroom policy?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Ahh…where and how people pee. Now we’re getting to a subject that interests you.

          • coneyro

            It’s a legitimate question. I don’t get the humor in it.

          • Astraea

            The whole premise of your question is hilariously stupid.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Oh, dear, unhinged misogynist is butthurt now. You’re so special.

      • The Witch of Endor

        Try harder.

      • The Wanderer

        Get another cup of coffee, ask for whoever’s using your family’s brain cell to give it back, and try again.

      • HazooToo

        Seriously, what exactly is it that makes you think Hillary is as bad as Trump? I hve never seen ANy of you guys show your work when you come in here bitching about her. You just say “SHE’S HORRIBLE!” and then you run away or get banned, you never explain yourself with facts or stick around to conversate with people who don’t snark you. Well, I’m willing to hear you out. What is the damn problem?

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          He also does not like the trans or the muslims ^.^

          • HazooToo

            He seems like he just hates women, all around. I feel bad for his wife. Then again, she may be as fucked up as he is… I feel bad for his kid, then.

          • Jen_Baker_VA

            Lil millenial lad there is not married.

          • The Wanderer

            Why am I unsurprised?

          • HazooToo

            He claims to be, in his Discus profile. I like it when they don’t set their shit to private! Actually, I wish some people here wouldn’t do that. It would make it a lot easier to hold back the snark when someone is Poe-ing way too convincingly.

          • Jen_Baker_VA

            I refuse to believe it. People lie on the internets.
            Of course, he is cute, and he might have money. So there is that.

          • HazooToo

            Yes… IF! THAT! IS! HIS! REAL! PICTURE! Dun dun duuuuuunnnn!!!

          • Jen_Baker_VA

            I am hoping it is, because honestly? I think I could work with that.

          • HazooToo

            Are you sure? That mouth looks pretty, but sounds like a wet shart.

        • The Wanderer

          They’d rather piss and moan and blather.

      • Recipriversexclusons

        Shirley you jest, what about tRUMPlethinskin and Gary Johnson the “johnson” isn’t HORSE HOCKEY human?

      • Recipriversexclusons

        So your IRL name is Hilary! Looking at your picture, does your mumzy wear Depends around you? Did you “no” there is a prez candidate by that name?

  • georgiaburning

    I will welcome my new female tech overlords. Past experience is that they know how to run a meeting and have it end on time.

    • limberrat

      Female engineers, in my experience, don’t put up with bullshit and get it done on time!

    • eddi

      The only boss who ever gained my actual respect and admiration was a woman. And I was not alone in that.

    • Longstreet63

      Oh sweet Jesus, conference calls with tech people are all but unendurable.
      Hint 1: we’re all repair techs. We aren’t going to say anything. We’re busy thinking of ways around whatever stupid policy you’re announcing. Workarounds are what we do.
      Hint2: when you have nothing else to say, end the call.. Do not attempt to fill the silence by repeating everything you just said.

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    I don’t see any plans to resurrect Antonin Scalia as Scaliastein in those proposals so NO SUPREME COURT NOMINEE FOR YOU!

    • Toadette

      Qyburn was busy with The Mountain.

      Though I bet conservatives would love to see zombie Scalia rip the head off of liberals who dared bring their concerns to SCOTUS.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Btw I think College Hillary is hot.

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    I don’t see anything in there about funding redneck science projects that usually begin with, “Hold mah beer an’ watch this!” and end with badly written obituaries….where is the fairness in that?

  • Spotts1701

    If this tech plan goes through, can we send the House Science Committee back for some remedial education?

    • The Wanderer

      They’ll have to wear the dunce caps.

    • Doug Langley

      First, they’d have to register with Disability Services Dept.

    • eddi

      Too late for them. Send them out as Christian missionaries to the stars. One last shuttle launch pointed at the Sun. But tell them they will be landing at night so it’s OK.

  • FlownOver

    Speaking of techstuff:

    Anybody at Teh Wonket know how to stop/block/kill with fire the autoplay videos that have become more common (like in this post) around here?

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      It does not work on the webitz thing, but on the arrow next to your name, click the hide media button. That should make everything a link. Conversely, your browser should have a “disable auto play” function in it as well.
      Still trying to figure out how to stop that webitz thing from going, without having to resort to an autoblocker.

    • lroom

      If your talking about that wibbetz thing I’m with you. Can someone out there come up with a way to cut that crap off?

      • HazooToo

        I have a system that is probably a stupid one, but it kinda works. I keep my Task Manager open and just continually end task on Flashplayer, and if that doesn’t work, Firefox has a new thing where if there’s a video ad on a tab you have open, you can click a little speaker icon that appears on the tab next to the X, and it mutes any video you can’t kill.

        • lroom

          Thanks!

    • sosuume

      You might want to try AdBlockPlus. Free download. I haven’t had any problems since I got it over a year ago.

  • bubbuhh

    OT The latest poop. Turkish official identifies suspected suicide bombers as ISIS loyalists from Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Russia’s Dagestan region. SO, no more Mister NIce Trump to Russia, cuz Ruslamic Terrorazm

    http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/turkey/1.728067

    • eddi

      Trump doesn’t know about ethnic minorities in Russia. He thinks they are all white Nordic/Aryan types. But Russia just became a Moslem terrorist state needing all travel from it blocked until he knows what’s going on.

      • revenant

        since “not knowing” is his default state, this could take a while

    • Lefty Frizzell

      This is very bad news for Herman Cain’s 2020 bid.

      • The Wanderer

        He’ll be forced to say “Uzbekistan” again.

  • duckshoe

    Oh, Dominic. It’s science, technology, ENGINEERING and math. “STEM education” would be a silly phrase if the “e” stood for education.

    • Longstreet63

      Don’t listen, Dom! The E is actually for Eggnog. Who doesn’t like eggnog?

      • Doug Langley

        You’d be amazed what the profs will do to ensure good student evals.

      • The Wanderer

        Dave Atell revealed what egg nog actually is.

      • nmmagyar

        Me.

  • Rufus T. Firefly

    Hillary’s America.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Trying to puzzle out what you are saying here. In Hillary’s America we will all be in Tech clubs that meet regularly?

      • eddi

        Weekend Maker Faires in all the cities and towns.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          I like Fairs! But no more ferris wheel.

          • nmmagyar

            The Himalaya needs to be banned. Vomit inducing and bad 80s hair band music.

      • Rufus T. Firefly

        Technocracy was a group from the 1930s that wanted engineers to rule the country. Had a bit of following too, uniforms and everything.

    • PubOption

      She’s going to turn the USA into Korea. Wake up, people!

      • HazooToo

        Five more minutes!

      • nmmagyar

        Hopefully S. Korea

  • TheGrandWaz00

    Not to be outdone, the Trump campaign has released its four-point technology policy proposal.
    http://vectorss.com/wp-content/uploads/scatchesk.png

    • PubOption

      New hair designs?

    • MarkM

      Well, I have to admit I’m somewhat impressed. That’s actually more logical and coherent than I was expecting it to be.

    • revenant

      and still people claim he’s not smrt

  • Serai 1

    And what about all the OTHER work there is to do in the world? While we’re teaching all our kids to fiddle around with computers and sciency stuff, who’s going to do all those other jobs?

    I’m so tired of the emphasis on ONE kind of work. There are so many areas that are losing people hand over fist simply because the ones doing the work are DYING OUT and nobody wants to replace them because OOOO SHINY OVER THERE!!! But no – the government only concentrates on training kids for the kind of thing Apple and Microsoft want.

    And what about all the other kinds of learning? Are we going to just throw our fucking culture down the drain because it’s NOT SCIENCE OMG? Is none of that stuff worth learning about, worth making a career about? We’re heading down an unfortunate path here.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Just because more emphasis is being placed on one field does not mean there will not be other fields. It is sorta like just because we let women have power does not mean we take it away from men?

      • eddi

        I though that was exactly what giving women power meant. You mean I will still have to listen to males on excess testosterone telling me that we have to send kids to die for useless causes and keep minorities sequestered in special areas for their own safety? Phooey!

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          pretty much, yeah XD

      • Serai 1

        Okay, then where are they? I’ve seen initiatives like this coming up for at least a decade. Where are the big initiatives to encourage kids to be writers, or artists, or historians, or philosophers? For that matter, where are the initiatives to encourage kids to be welders, or plumbers, or park rangers, or any other kinds of work? I see no big push from Obama to help kids in those fields. I see no big incentive to fund and encourage trade schools, and yet those schools teach vital functions we all need. Where’s the big push for all these other kinds of work? Or will it be jam tomorrow and jam yesterday, but never jam today – just like it’s been so far?

        • I feel you. I like STEAM better than STEM, because the arts are a thing too, and they matter! And lots of other things matter too! And it also seems shortsighted to flood one particular selection of fields by promoting them above all others.

          I’m not mad at programs that focus on STEM fields, though. I just think there could be more programs for other things too. And I think the arts have been horrifically devalued and that needs to be fixed, starting with K-12 schools that have slashed arts programs all over the place for mostly stupid reasons.

          • Skadi

            ALL the upfists

    • The Wanderer

      I agree with you. Art, literature, philosophy are all just as important.
      Kunst ist kein luxus.

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        They are for those who can do them. However, the world is increasingly Tech oriented. We need MORE Techs to meet those tech demands. Hence the emphasis on STEM.

        • The Wanderer

          Who says that a person has be all one thing or another? Specialization is for insects. An engineer can also sculpt or build or paint, as an example.

          • Jen_Baker_VA

            If they have the ability. Most humans do not. We are a specialized creature, each doing its part for the whole. Always have been. Besides, putting emphasis on STEM education does not say one can’t do something else. It is just filling a very real need by encouraging our youngs to stop thinking of science as hard, and start thinking of it as I can do this.

    • bupkus23

      “I’m so tired of the emphasis on ONE kind of work…”

      There’s at least as many fields of work in the STEM fields as there are in “cultural” fields.

      But, you do your “Get off my Lawn” bit. Too much of any one thing IS too much.

      • Serai 1

        Really? That’s your answer? I guess the only real problems are the ones you think are important, right? Exactly the attitude I’m talking about, thank you!

        • bupkus23

          I think it’s kinda funny to see you respond to me thusly – because that’s exactly the attitude I saw in your original post.

          I originally chimed in because you seemed to have a very narrow view of the applications of STEM-type education ( “ONE kind of work…” ).

          As it is, I don’t fear that we’re sacrificing cultural literacy and/or creatiivity by emphasizing STEM education in early years – nor do I fear our culture being “thrown down the drain” because of any perceived lack in education in those fields. I think it’s a false dichotomy to say “either science OR culture” – it’s always been BOTH.

    • HazooToo

      I get your thing, but I think the reason there’s so much focus on promoting science and math is because women are generally discouraged from those fields because they’re not usually friendly to them. Sexism. But also because science and math require a lot more focus and dedication than other fields. The difficulty can be discouraging as well! But if you get more education in earlier, it’s not as intimidating. English and literature always have their passionate adherants. So does art! These are fields where talent can have as much to do with interest as education.

      • Serai 1

        Wow, “more focus and dedication”? That’s more than a bit condescending. Maybe you should ask people in all these fields whether they need more “talent” (whatever that means) or “dedication”. Because art certainly doesn’t require years and years of development to be good at it. And science sure doesn’t require an innate ability to deal with complexity, or any kind of undefinable intuition or grasp of paradox.

        • HazooToo

          I didn’t mean for it to be condescending. I’m way more interested in literature and art, but I do like science. I don’t understand some of the more complex math involved, and honestly, I let myself down in that area by tuning out of math class in middle school. If someone had been encouraging me to stay focused, my whole life could have turned out differently. I do like my life now, but there were plenty of times I regretted not applying myself! That’s what I meant. To do well in science and math, you have to study it, you have to work hard, and you have to have a reason to be excited about doing that. That’s what these programs are supposedly supplying. Good reasons for kids to be willing to do the work required for success in those fields.

      • PubOption

        Within science there is a tendency to steer women towards life sciences rather than physical sciences.

        • HazooToo

          True, but women in science also generally seem to be willing to do the work they WANT to do, regardless of where their instructors are trying to push them, and I do love that.

          • Plushinobi

            In my experience, that’s at least partially because the women who end up in science are the type to go our own way anyways. They already went into science even with the biases against it. Might as well go the whole way and do what they really love.

          • HazooToo

            I love how http://fieldworkfail.com/ has sooo many women’s stories on there! It’s really encouraging to see them out there doing weird shit in the name of just UNDERSTANDING things better!

    • Lefty Frizzell

      I think the emphasis in the plan is like that because currently there aren’t enough of them and too many of the other lot, coz science is hard, man.

      • Serai 1

        There seems to be a big disagreement about whether there are enough people or whether the companies that hire them just don’t want to hire anyone who wants to be decently compensated.

    • nmmagyar

      One other area with hella bad shortages is public health, there are programs already in place (mainly student loan forgiveness) for those positions.

      • HazooToo

        Medical positions often involve computer savviness, these days, and it IS technically a science. So is psychology. But I’d also be interested in seeing some incentive for things like public defense, simplifying beaurocracy, basically any skill or area of education that can help unsnarl the hairball that is our government.

        • nmmagyar

          Public Defense? Like cops? And the bureaucracy and government stuff is all lawyers – I have no idea if there are incentives to work in the public sector rather than private practice.

          • HazooToo

            More like public defenders and those who do paperwork for vital government programs that are usually understaffed. Maybe even some extra incentive for taking ethics classes for people who want to go into law or politics, something to combat the corruption, so they can try to start balancing things out and maybe get those programs funded better!

  • Lefty Frizzell

    Ryan and McConnell have a tech plan – deregulate industry and finance, repeal ACA, abolish EPA, and cut taxes on the wealthy.

    • eddi

      At least it’s an ethos.

    • nmmagyar

      Ban ‘bortions

    • MarkM

      Brilliant! Why has no one thought of this before?

    • The Wanderer

      ‘Conservative’ = ‘Imbecile.’

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    I hear throwing a Dell PC at the glass ceiling just shatters it RIGHT down.

    • nmmagyar

      Shouldn’t that be a HP?

      • phoenix00

        Provided Carly hasn’t fired it

    • The Wanderer

      My Dell laptop will pretend it didn’t hear that.

      • phoenix00

        I’ve got one too

    • DantesE

      So you actually found something a Dell is good for?

  • calliecallie

    “(that’s science, technology, education, and math for you grumpy, old Luddites)”
    I was told the E stood for engineering. But it was engineers that told me that.

    • nmmagyar

      Me too. Dominic is wrong.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Yup

    • Bitter Scribe

      Mistakes like that make me grumpy.

    • Yeah, that was my bad, and fixing that error would only make it worse.

      LOOK AT MY MISTAKES! LOOK AT THEM!

      https://66.media.tumblr.com/30f1c5d7b77a9aa37201b063fac0a3f0/tumblr_o3agpoLKl21s3mlhro1_500.gif

      • doktorzoom

        Nah. You can fix it AND leave a tiny note about your error. Then readers will stop correcting you, and even appreciate that you went back and fixed it.

        Our intern, folks. He thinks he must suffer. Happily, we can help with that.

  • Doug Langley

    I appreciate Hillary’s intentions, and there could be merit there, but . . .

    Speaking as a college instructor and someone trying to find a decent paying job now, I’m not sure this is addressing the problem. The schools already have programs teaching the latest and greatest tech stuff, so what exactly needs fixing? My problem teaching is that some students pick it up and some don’t. Every class is the standard bell curve: one or two super smart ones, a couple of duds, and the rest okay. Cramming a ton of education down someone’s throat won’t help if that person can’t pick it up.

    But if the point is to get people jobs, then let’s look at what’s stopping employers from hiring. Paul Krugman pointed out that if they need people with very rare combinations of skills, they they would be bidding salaries through the roof to attract them. Since that isn’t happening, such skills aren’t so rare. My point: if they need combos of skills so badly, why not hire someone with 95% of what they need, then train the rest of the way? Instead, they’re obsessed with “purple squirrels” – employees who have absolutely EXACTLY the skill set required. I just lost a job offer that seemed really good. I had the skill list they wanted, the experience, references who claimed I could walk on water – but sorry, no, my skill just wasn’t exactly recent enough. They canceled the second interview they had scheduled with me.

    Now is it possible that age discrimination bit me again? We’ll never know. But as long as employers are driven by irrational wants, then education will never break the barrier.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      There is some truth in that. And likely it was more a case of “We found someone less qualified but willing to work for less money” that bit you. That happens so very much.

      • Doug Langley

        In this case I had gone through a staffing company. They have a financial incentive to get me a job, and make sure it’s a fair pay. So if they turn me down, it’s back to square zero with another candidate costing the same. So: are they just not needing another person that badly? Or super picky with skill sets? Or what?

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          Staffing companies do fair pay? Since when! Criminitly, every time I went through one of them it was always the same; get a gig, then train my cheaper replacement. 3 times before I said enough of this.

          • Doug Langley

            Hmm, what field of work? In software and tech stuff, I’ve always had good luck with staffing firms.

          • Doug Langley

            Also, I’ve had only one instance of getting work through staffing firm and training my replacement. It was the company’s policy, not the staffing firm. And since they always went through the same staffing firm, they paid the same. The company was just obsessed about contract work, never permanent. They had this bug up their ass that permanent people would bankrupt them or something. So it was a constant rotation of contract after contract. Funny thing – they paid enough so the staffing firm not only gave me a good pay, but full benefits on top. Plus taking their own cut. So the company was paying as much as if I was permanent, plus constant retraining of new contractors. Absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    • Astraea

      I agree employers need to be motivated to actually invest in their employees. A lot of employers are complaining about how they can’t find good, qualified candidates when most of the time they’re just not willing to either train or pay enough to attract them. They have the attitude that they should just be able to pick up a customized employee like a piece of furniture.

      • Doug Langley

        In their defense, I will say that after teaching the current crop of students, they may have a right to be cautious. I’ve had numerous students I wouldn’t hire to fix a sandwich, much less write software.

        Note: things are different now than 30 yrs ago. Then, you interview and they give you an offer. Now, it can be several interviews, plus you do a test of actual programming, plus it’s contract to hire, so they can pull the plug if you don’t work out. What does it mean? Don’t know.

        • Doug Langley

          Part 2: but if that’s the case, why am I having trouble? You would think they’re saying “Wow, Mr Doug is so different from other applicants! He’s proven himself! He’s reliable, productive, gets along with people. We gotta have him!” But no. Instead they wind up with people who may be good and others who are clunkers. So what’s their criteria?

          • nmmagyar

            Cheap. Companies also like to get ’em young so they don’t have to unlearn policies and corporate idiosyncrasies.

          • Stulexington

            And don’t know their labour rights yet.

      • Ghenghis McCann

        We’ve had this in Britain. Employers moaning about schools not producing people with the skills they need. Once upon a time, believe it or not, companies trained staff. But now they no longer want to invest in their employees, because it costs money, it’s up to the State to provide what they need when they need it. Remind me again, who are the takers?

        • Villago Delenda Est

          This. Right here. The obsession with the quarterly bottom line at the expense of the long term health of an organization is destroying things in a most insidious manner.

          Time to fire up some tumbrels for bean counters.

        • Stulexington

          It’s not just because it costs money, it’s because they look at employees as interchangeable. They don’t want to foster loyalty because they don’t understand the benefits of specialized experience. If you strive to replace you’re entire workforce every 5 years so you don’t have to give them raises (because you don’t recognize they’re worth it and more) you don’t want to spend time, effort and money training people either.

    • jmhm

      But there’s also a real disparity in how much kids, particularly POC and girls, are exposed to computers as children. Surely being familiar with technology from childhood would help more of them get it?

      • Doug Langley

        *** big belly laugh ***

        Sorry. I see students will cell phones surgically implanted in their ears, but can’t understand the first bit about how to write code or build games or figure out Photoshop. Just because you can use technology doesn’t mean you can work with it. It’s like driving cars: does that mean you can rebuild an engine or design a transmission?

        • jmhm

          I guess we’ll have to give the obscene percentage of “young adults, minorities, those with no college experience, and those with lower household income levels” whose only access to the internet is through smart phones some computer time and check in a few years.

          We find different things funny.

          • Doug Langley

            Um, I wasn’t trying to draw difference between rich & poor kids. I was just saying that using tech all the time doesn’t qualify someone as capable of building tech.

          • jmhm

            But perhaps if they were allowed to use tech other than their phones they might learn other things? Every engineer I know started by mastering their own machine.

          • Doug Langley

            Well, you would need a desktop or laptop, knowledge of HTML or software like Dreamweaver, an understanding of how get a domain name and how to upload a website. Minimum. If you want to do a Flash game, you have to jump through a lot of hoops to upload the thing. Possible to do on your own, but much faster if someone shows you.

          • jmhm

            True. But much more possible if they have access, which I guess was what I was getting at.

        • Shannon Sistrunk

          They need the classes they teach them the guts. Not just how the software runs for the end user.

          • Doug Langley

            Those were the classes I taught. Really amazing how everyone was just welded to his/her phone, but freaked out at the first mention of tech stuff.

          • Shannon Sistrunk

            I was helping out in a classroom, here all our students get Macs to take home starting in 6th grade, I told a student to minimize her window. She had NO IDEA what I was talking about. I repeated it a few times then I finally said make your open screen small. She said Ooooh, click the little line!!

            ……

            ……..

            I was just…. I dunno… I learned how to take apart a computer and put it back together before I could properly type. I could modify software and build websites in HTML and I remember using…. Dreamweaver…. Lol!

            I died of dysentery a lot.

            I just think they need some basic computer skills classes that are mandatory. I also think they need some classes, or even some half day workshops starting in 6th grade about responsible social media usage.

            This is just as much a part of their everyday as reading, social studies, and science, etc… I mean, their learning about that stuff ON a computer!! We have to teach the basics. We’re doing them a disservice if we don’t.

          • Doug Langley

            Indeed, if they need to use a computer, they should be taught basic skills. But knowing how to minimize windows isn’t enough to know HTML or database, those take more advanced skills.

            Then I’ve had to occasional student who couldn’t even figure out that much. I’d say “Move this file to that folder” and they didn’t have the slightest clue what that meant. I would spend half a fucking hour explaining the simplest operation of the file system, and they looked as if they were trying to decipher the Rosetta Stone. In college!

    • efoveks

      I have an older brother in the same boat (also a college instructor, in linguistics). This “precious” attitude is the product of both arrogance and ignorance, an inability to see the forest for the trees. I used to work in retail. As a supervisor, one of my jobs was to conduct first line interviews and to help train new hires. Even at that level, no one started out perfect. I had a good track record for picking “winners”–people who stayed and were eventually promoted–, and I credit part of it in a willingness to see and foster potential. There is so much of it that is wasted, and it comes in all ages and backgrounds.

      I could go on for a full scale rant, but I will spare you the pain of it. Suffice to say, I completely and emphatically agree with you. Also, best of luck on the job hunt. :)

      • Doug Langley

        Oh, I know just what you’re saying. Teaching college was an eye-opening. The successful students aren’t the ones who walk into class knowing everything already. The successful ones have the right attitude. They come to class, pay attention, do the work, no whining, and voila – top grades. I’m guessing you saw the same thing in your hires.

        • Lark_in_the_AM

          Been there, done that, have the bruise on my forehead from beating it against the brick wall. :< That said – good luck finding yourself a permanent position. They may seem like hen's teeth, but there are still a few of them out there.

          • Doug Langley

            Thanks very much. On the upside, there does seem to be more perm openings nowadays than a few years back – assuming “contract to hire” is a real thing. The staffing firms I talk to consider contract to hire the same thing as perm. Maybe things are a tad better than before – thanks, Obama.

      • Lark_in_the_AM

        If it’s an academic job that involves research, the main criterion is “does this person have, or is capable of getting very quickly, federal research grants?” t’s all about the $$$ these days, thanks to spending cuts from the state and federal governments to higher ed.

    • Nine

      I haven’t tried to get a tech job for a few years, but I remember quite a few jobs requiring at least 5 years experience on the latest version (and it had to be THE LATEST, experience with the previous version, even if there hadn’t been any significant user interface changes, was meaningless) of the desired software, which came out 6 months earlier.
      And I remember HR people whining that all the qualified applicants were liars.

      • Doug Langley

        HR people are just beyond belief. They can’t realize they’re demanding a set of conditions that have nothing to do with an applicant having potential to do the job.

        Dilbert cartoon:

        Applicant: “I have 50 years experience in a technology that’s only 6 months old, thanks to a time machine and immortality drug that I invented!”
        HR: “That’s a lot of words for ‘too old’.”

        • Zyxomma

          HR PEOPLE? Try making it past the damned software. One needs a new resume for every goddamned job application, tailored to contain every buzzword in the listing. Oh, and I guess it doesn’t help to be over 60 (even if I don’t look a day over 45).

          • Doug Langley

            You look 45? You’re doomed.

  • calliecallie

    I think someone should offer a degree in chart making, because those Georgetown charts are totally confusing.

    • Iam Reading

      Data visualization is a course of study and the cure to death by powerpoint. Dr. Stephanie Evergreen does some amazing work in that field.

  • seldomsimple

    Pretty sure the E in STEM is Engineering, not Education

  • Bad Granny

    Bad_Teen’s school issued every student an iPad a couple years ago. This summer she’s working as a counselor at a STEM camp. If she starts watching Dr Who and reading Asimov, I’m blaming $Hillary just to get ahead of the crowd.

    • Just hope she never get into Bradbury or Clarke, because the ABC’s always lead to Dick (and his electric sheep).

      • Bad Granny

        In this specific instance, Dick is at least more wholesome than Dahl.

        OT aside: You’re saved. Bad_Millennial finally moved out of my guest room, so I’m no longer trying to trick you into taking her off my hands.

  • Jonny On Maui

    OT: Nerd Alert! Saw that one of my cable replacements had Season 2 of Battlebots starting. Nerd Geek Heaven! Internatonal this time with moar battling bots.

    Yes. I enjoy Battlebots. It’s Demolition Derby for nerds.

    • efoveks

      Right there with you! My family is loaded with these nerd, sometimes geek (I’m talking about you, nephew– go bathe FFS!) types. It’s why we can’t have nice things! ;)

    • Cindyinencinitas

      Love it! Dweezil used to host one of those shows. It was the best!

      • Iam Reading

        And he plays a mean guitar

  • OrdinaryJoe

    We are now in the cooked pasta stage of the campaign. She is testing ideas to take to the convention. So throw a bunch of stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

    • Cindyinencinitas

      I like my social progress al dente with a little chianti.

  • CJTX

    “Hillz’s devious plan is to start hooking the kids on computers while they’re young.”

    Just remember, you little bastards, we only had Oregon Trail and BBS in my day.
    Harrumph.

    • Did you ever figure out exactly where the hell Carmen San Diego was?

      • CJTX

        Nah, she kept moving around a lot…like Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden.

        • guppy06

          More like Saddam Hussein’s sarin stash.

    • Pierre_de_Fermat

      Wait a minute. “Oregon Trail”? Wasn’t that what Samantha Groves played?

      • CJTX

        Dammit, that’s a reference I don’t know. Imma gunna have to google that person now.

      • CJTX

        I do know this reference! I’m not getting old – I’ve always been terrible with names.

        But yeah, that’s what she “hacks” in the flashbacks when she’s a kid.

    • guppy06

      ++ATH0

    • Stulexington

      Whipersnapper! In my day we had California Games and Telengard.

  • Sakonyachen

    “those same techbros and jerk-offs who think girls can’t be scientists, developers, engineers, architects, or presidents.”

    Virgins?

  • Panika MCD

    just because I’m a Luddite, doesn’t meant I don’t know what STEM fields are. I just choose not to utilize the products of the technology side much.

  • guppy06

    Uh-huh.

    I’ll just leave this here:
    http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth

    And now I’ll go use parts of my own STEM education to maintain my car for my pizza delivery job.

    • Lark_in_the_AM

      The life sciences are certainly among the fields which are in the tank. Not enough grant money means no hires in academic research, which has contributed heavily to the proliferation of the “adjunct” mess in undergraduate institutions. After all, why hire permanent faculty when you can temp it with some newly minted Ph.D.? BIg Pharma and Big Ag have given up on funding basic research as too expensive and private research grants are heavily stacked toward research which will make someone a nice profit when it is ready from prime time. Post-doctoral slots in research labs are now taken by semi-permanent hires (depending on funding), so that it’s harder and harder to even get post-doctoral training after the Ph.D. The system is sooooo fucked up, and there doesn’t seem to be much chance for change on the horizon.

    • georgiaburning

      Hmm. The IEEE is sort of what the UAW would be like if it was organized by the CEO’s of GM and Ford.

      Speaking on the engineering and math ends of STEM; there are a lot of H1B and US grads with degrees but no experience, and unfortunately nobody wants to train anyone. So there’s a glut of entry level people but shortages in the 7-15 year of experience spots in specialized areas. Hardware and analytical skills are golden, but you need extra training or a deliberate bend in your early job choices to get them.

  • Shannon Sistrunk

    I’m amused that you take a swipe at Luddites not knowing what STEM stands for when apparently you don’t know either!

    (the E is for Engineering.)

    • Iam Reading

      Personally, I think it should be SteM as technology and engineering are utterly dependent upon science and mathematics.

      • Doug White

        Choo Choo Charlie was an engineer, and he didn’t know anything about math OR science…. his qualifications were mainly an overwhelming love for Good N’ Plenty candy… which he used to make his train run… amazing story…

        • Alexander Stallwitz

          Blaine is an pain, this is the truth

          • Doug White

            …Childe Roland To The Dark Tower Came… but Trump was there, so he left….

          • Alexander Stallwitz

            “Where you going!? theres no bigger, classier yuggest tower around, it will make your head spin about how dark this tower is!”

    • I addressed this silly mistake earlier, apologized and will continue to take the necessary floggings. But I blame my public school education.

      https://66.media.tumblr.com/59ef475a4376939f370a1a638655cc8c/tumblr_nltzah7Hev1tv4k5po1_500.gif

      • doktorzoom

        Dominic, I went ahead and fixed it, leaving the error between tags, so everyone can see your shame but at least stop correcting you.

        And yes, I really do have to check which state Mitch McConnell is from every single time.

        • guppy06

          R-Galapagos

      • Shannon Sistrunk

        Sorry to rub it in. I appreciate you generously taking your punishment. Now never do it again. :p

  • Lark_in_the_AM

    I’ll be so happy if Hillz can get this budget through a cooperative Congress (vote straight Blue, everyone). The NIH budget for a federal research grant is still the same as is was 25 years ago. Guess how many things still cost now what they did then? It would be nice to have the moniez to employ some of those kids when they finish their schooling, but as it stands, all I’ll be able to afford are 3 eppendorf tubes and a box of kimwipes.

    • Lamashtar

      It all sounds good until she can’t get it through a Republican Congress.. At this point, I hear Republicans even suggesting letting the Supremes get down to nothing, rather than do their jobs. Whatever prevents the rest of us from progressing.

  • SullivanSt

    This tech industry male is seriously impressed. Although I am lefty enough to prefer that there weren’t any loans to forgive.

    I mean ffs I graduated from the best university in Europe and didn’t pay a penny for tuition, shortly before Tony fucking Blair hits way-ed that shit to death. And now look what a shit hole my homeland has turned itself into!

  • PORCH MONKEY

    Hillary is a criminal, lying, Lez Bo, unaccomplished smelly C U N T.

    • Land Shark

      porch monkey (n)
      A person who sits on the porch and watches the neighbors.

      At least you’re not on my lawn.

      • PORCH MONKEY

        I have a N I G G E R like you to hold a lantern on my front lawn.

        • Land Shark

          I usually use lamp posts for that …. they tend to work better and are easier to wire.

          What else is on your front lawn? Anything up on cinder blocks?

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