Sometimes, when there is a ton of news about a couple-a big things, news about other things gets swept under the rug and we miss it! But in addition to the other awesome judicial news we got on Monday — Texas not being able to enact dumbass laws in order to make it more difficult to get an abortion, domestic abusers not being allowed to have guns — there was also another ruling, this time by a federal judge, that was also pretty exciting!

This past April, Mississippi Governor Phil Bryant signed a bill that would, among a number of other bigot-y things, allow clerks to refuse to issue marriage licenses to the gays if doing so was against their religion. Which is pretty ridiculous, because they are being paid — by all citizens of the state, not just the straight ones — to do a job, not to practice their religion. You can tell this by the fact that they have not taken a vow of poverty, and in fact make about 100k a year. And also because they work for the government rather than a church.

This bill was supposed to go into effect on Friday.

ALAS, that is not going to happen. Why? Because U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves said it ain’t. Clerks will be required to treat all couples equally, whether they like it or not. Because that is the law, and it is what they are being paid a ton of money to do. It’s their job, and if that job conflicts with their religious beliefs, then probably they should go look for another one. There is a reason you don’t meet a ton of Christian Scientist doctors or Jehovah’s Witness blood bank employees, you know?

“Mississippi’s elected officials may disagree with Obergefell, of course, and may express that disagreement as they see fit — by advocating for a constitutional amendment to overturn the decision, for example,” Reeves wrote. “But the marriage license issue will not be adjudicated anew after every legislative session.”

Reeves will also be issuing rulings this week on other provisions of House Bill 1523, which — as Evan splained back in April — involve banning trans people from using bathrooms and allowing job creators to tell the womenfolk they cain’t wear no pants. Oh, and naturally, protecting bakers, florists, DJs etc. from having to provide services for same-sex weddings.

Given his decision on the clerk issue, this is likely to be a very sad week for Mississippi bigots!

The State of Mississippi will likely appeal the decision. Republican Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves — who, the Associated Press notes, is not related to the judge — responded to the ruling by releasing a statement saying “If this opinion by the federal court denies even one Mississippian of their fundamental right to practice their religion, then all Mississippians are denied their 1st Amendment rights … I hope the state’s attorneys will quickly appeal this decision to the 5th Circuit to protect the deeply held religious beliefs of all Mississippians.”

This is, of course, not a violation of anyone’s First Amendment rights, because there actually is no First Amendment right to discriminate against anyone, or to be paid for a job you refuse to do! Even if it is your religion! Just ask the rotting corpse of former Mississippi Governor Theodore Bilbo, who believed that black people and white people having sex and getting married was a violation of his version of Christianity, stating that there “is every reason to believe that miscegenation and amalgamation are sins of man in direct defiance to the will of God.” Or the rotting corpse of another Mississippi Governor, Ross Barnett, who stated that “the good Lord was the original segregationist … He put the black man in Africa. … He made us white because he wanted us white, and He intended that we should stay that way.” Or just take a look for yourselves and see how well that schtick worked out for them! Okay, they’re not really relevant, we just wanted to point out Mississippi’s full of dicks.


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  • Lizzietish81

    See MS, this is why you are at the bottom of every possible meter of quality in the US.

    • Skwerl King

      Hey, but they want to be known as Mississippi-50 because Hawai’i-50 is so cool sounding.

      • Bear OmNomNom

        That TV theme is already enough of an earworm *without* being played on banjo and gutbucket…

    • Robin

      I think the politicians and businessmen actually take pride in that. That’s the worst part.

  • Dr. Krieger IRL

    Can we just bulldoze Mississippi?

  • AWE-sum!

    Christians, I am a Bisexual, Transgender chick that don’t give Fuck Uno what you think, if you like me, or what your moldy book of Bronze Age Fanfic says.

    • James Christopher Owen

      Technical niggle: Much of the Hebrew Bible was collected and redacted, and some composed, in Classical Antiquity (Palestine’s Post-Exilic period), well into the Iron Age. The New Testament documents were composed closer to the end of Classical Antiquity.

      • True enough. I call it “Bronze-Age-fanfic” because it’s mostly warmed-over Sumerian myth.

        And ‘The Epic of Gilgamesh’ I read, was much more lyrical.

  • goonemeritus

    What’s with all this good news, I come to Wonkette to get so depressed that I lose my appetite.

  • Toadette

    I wonder if this is going to bring out the bigots and concern trolls on Facebook again about us transgendered folk.

    I admit, I did like slapping the shit out of them with the fact that, no, gender dysphoria is not considered a mental illness by the APA, and that associated issues of depression and anxiety are primarily the result of a lack of social acceptance.

    • ThirdAmendmentMan

      Gender dysphoria is by definition a disorder. But gender nonconformity (including transgenderism) =/= gender dysphoria. And yeah, society probably causes the vast majority of the distress that leads to gender dysphoria.

      • Toadette

        Not anymore.

        “A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

        According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of “gender dysphoria.” Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as ‘gender identity disorder.'”

        • ThirdAmendmentMan

          “people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of ‘gender dysphoria.'”

          So transgenderism is not gender dysphoria, but gender dysphoria is still a defined disorder amongst some transgendered individuals. A dysphoria is by definition a disorder.

          • Toadette

            That’s not what they’re saying. They’re saying this is done to provide access to gender affirming medical care. Most endocrinologists and surgeons require letters from therapists (two in the case of surgeons) and most therapists and medical professionals still follow the WPATH Standards of Care that were laid out in the late 1960s or early 1970s.

            The only reason a diagnosis is made is because access to hormones and surgeries requires one via those standards.

          • ThirdAmendmentMan

            That is exactly what they are saying. Some transgendered people experience intense and long term distress that is beyond the lack of social acceptance. That is the basis for a diagnosis. The DSM-5 and ICD-10 both separate transgenderism from associated disorders (gender identity disorder for ICD-10, gender dysphoria from DSM-5) but neither of them are eliminating them altogether.

            If you feel that gender dysphoria isn’t a disorder then you shouldn’t use the term at all.

          • Toadette

            Again, that is not what they’re saying at all.

            “Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination.”

            Requoting that part, and the following: “Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender
            noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is
            essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care.”

            Both state exactly what I’ve said.

          • ThirdAmendmentMan

            “Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination.”

            I’m not arguing with you at all on this. I’m saying that is not gender dysphoria/GID. Which is also exactly what the DSM and ICD are saying.

          • Justno

            Shorter APA: This isn’t an issue of morbidity, it’s about working around assholism.

          • Toadette

            And just for added impact, from the APA’s fact sheet on gender dysphoria: “Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing “disorder” with “dysphoria” in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is ‘disordered.’

            Ultimately, the changes regarding gender dysphoria in DSM-5 respect the individuals identified by offering a diagnostic name that is more appropriate to the symptoms and behaviors they experience without jeopardizing their access to effective treatment options.”

            They’re flat out saying that it remains a diagnosis to obtain access to medical care and insurance, but that it isn’t a “disorder.”

            “I’m not arguing with you at all on this. I’m saying that is not gender
            dysphoria/GID. Which is also exactly what the DSM and ICD are saying.”

            In order to arrive at that conclusion, you have to ignore the next sentence: “For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination.”

          • ThirdAmendmentMan

            Do you think that all transgendered people have gender dysphoria?

          • Toadette

            I agree with the APA that it’s a term used only to access medical care (and insurance, where allowed) for gender reassignment. That is the only reason for its inclusion at this point.

            I’ll also AGAIN point this out: “Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing
            or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not
            constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant
            problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone
            therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely
            express their gender identity and minimize discrimination.”

            There is no paragraph break. The use of “For these individuals” clearly refers to those individuals in the previous sentence. Basic rules of English apply here. Yet, we have the APA stating that the problem for them is access to cross-sex hormones, counseling, and medical procedures.

            We’re not talking about people who crossdress or are drag queens. We’re talking about those who are seeking to present differently, and take on all the associated risks to do so.

          • ThirdAmendmentMan

            OK but you didn’t answer my question.

  • JustPixelz

    Their state flag explains it:

    • ThirdAmendmentMan

      I think my favorite thing about their flag is the people who defend it because of tradition. Bigot please, they added the Confederate flag to protest integrated schools in the 50s.

  • beatbort

    Phil Ochs would like to comment:

    “Here’s to the State of Mississippi
    For underneath her borders, the devil draws no lines
    If you drag her muddy river, nameless bodies you will find
    Whoa the fat trees of the forest have hid a thousand crimes
    The calender is lyin’ when it reads the present time

    Whoa, here’s to the land you’ve torn out the heart of
    Mississippi, find yourself another country to be part of…”

  • Msgr_Moment

    House Bill 1523, which — as Evan splained back in April — involve banning trans people from using bathrooms and allowing job creators to tell the womenfolk they cain’t wear no pants.

  • crunchyknee

    Most of Mississippi will be underwater soon enough.

    • bubbuhh

      shit floats

    • JustPixelz

      Other than literally, in what way are they not already underwater?

    • Relativicus


    • Creepoman

      So now they’ll get to fuck up the ocean as well.

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon


    • MississippiLefty

      You’re thinking of Louisiana. Climate change models are actually pretty kind to us.

  • dslindc

    There’s that pesky, “Do your fucking job or resign” argument again, which I’m sure will be followed by the standard wave of butt hurt.

  • “If this opinion by the federal court denies even one Mississippian of their fundamental right to practice their religion, then all Mississippians are denied their 1st Amendment rights …”

    Because, let’s all be honest, governor. If this hullabaloo were about a Muslim DMV clerk not wanting to issue driver’s licenses to women, he would be bounced from his job faster than you could say, “Sharia”.

    • MississippiLefty

      It is Mr.Sippi Lefty’s fantasy to get a job at the DMV, grow a beard, “convert,” and do just that.

  • Msmlg1979

    Forcing women to wear dresses and skirts to work?! What? People still try that? I happily wear dresses every day in summer. I haven’t worn pants in a couple of months, but if I had to wear dresses through an Appalachian winter, my ass would literally freeze off, not to mention the constantly blowing wind would cause my skirt to reside around my ears at all times. I have to wear a couple of pairs of pants to go out in winter and not die. Sexist, dumb and impractical.

    • arglebargle

      What’s the point of puttin you wimmens on a pedestal if you ain’t wearin’ a skirt?

      • Msmlg1979

        When I freeze to death, I’ll probably fall off the pedestal.

        • Longstreet63

          Just don’t tempt any men on the way down…
          You know how we get…

    • Longstreet63

      And that blowing skirt would be your fault, you immodest temptress!

    • I wear skirts in the winter, with leggings , because it’s not sexy to freeze. Southern CO isn’t nearly as cold as Appalachia, of course. I’ve had “shorts weather” since February.

      • Toadette

        Fleece-lined and wool leggings are absolutely perfect for cold winter days.

        • Indeed. I found some urban camouflage fleece leggings that I get compliments on every time I wear them.

      • Msmlg1979

        I wear that in fall and early spring, but in winter, I dress for survival. Our roads are very curvy and dangerous. I wrecked on Valentine’s evening, slid down a 7 foot embankment, and had a hell of a time crawling out. I was hurt way worse trying to crawl onto the road than in the wreck. My clothes and body were torn up from pulling myself up the briar-covered bank, because it was too slick to stand, and I kept sliding back down. If I hadn’t had pants on, my legs would have been punctured and cut like my hands. No skirts for me in winter.

        • I hear you. I don’t have very severe weather, and I almost never have to go into the worst winter weather we do get.

          • Msmlg1979

            I wish I didn’t, but I have to open my office every day. I have had some trips to the office and back home from hell. It took me 3 hours to go 7 miles one night. Valentine’s was the first snow wreck I had in nearly 20 years. I carry emergency supplies at all times in winter.

          • Ice storms and such? Not fun at all. Not 50 miles miles north of me, they get storms that close the city, and I’m down here walking to the supermarket in jeans and a windbreaker.

          • Msmlg1979

            Luckily, major ice storms are rare. When we do have them, they are terrible, and we end up in a state of emergency. Trees down everywhere, etc. Mostly we get lots of snow and wind. Wind constantly. Wind all day and all night. It gets old. Elevation makes a big difference!

          • About all we really get is wind, luckily. Not fun, but without the ice it’s just mostly an irritant.

          • Amy!

            Freezing rain. The reason for twenty-first century high-efficiency woodstoves imported from Scandinavia.

      • sw19womble

        Ah, now you see, I can understand the skirts-with-leggings combo. That’s like fashion or something! I do that with some of my dolls and it looks really cool :)

        • :) What dolls do you have?

          I have a few Barbies, a couple of anime dolls, and loads of “Jem and the Holograms” and “Equestria Girls” fashion dolls.

          And yes, not to sound big-headed, but I get women approach to compliment my fashions, and ask for style tips. :)

          • sw19womble

            Oh I have so many dolls now *blushes*. Don’t get me started, trust me!
            Quite a few Tonner dolls (ball-jointed dolls 14-17″) – Ellowyne Wilde is so pretty, and I’ve just the past year or so managed to pick up a few of the longer and more gothy Evangeline Ghastly range.
            Some other BJDs of assorted sizes and shapes, up to 60cm,
            A few Blythe knock-offs, many Ever After High, A metric fuckton of Barbie My Scenes, and you also do not want to know how many Monster High I have (I do not know how many I have).

            Phew. Lots of work but great fun settling on outfits and taking photos (must take more photos… and build more shelves… whoops!)

          • AWE-sum! Tonners are so gorgeous, but out-of-reach for me.

            I have loads of Barbie My Scene, I think they’re so cute. :D I do Ever After High as well.

          • sw19womble

            Trust me, don’t get into BJDs unless you have set aside a long-term budget. It’s not the cost of the doll per se, it’s the outfits that do you in. Oh, and the shoes… OMFG. I spend so much more on outfits and shoes for them than I do on myself. Especially the shoes.
            Quick pic from the vaults, seeing as you might enjoy:

          • Oh, that’s lovely! Nicely done on the photo. :)

    • Hutch

      That’s what gored my ox in this story. Hey, I had to wear dresses all through school, from kindergarten to high school, and endure chilblains on my knees and general discomfort my entire childhood. I got sent home for wearing pants on a school day where they were allowing girls to wear them, but I didn’t realize I was expected to wear a dress, too. Total bullshit!

      I showed them, though. I got a present of a “glamour set” in third grade — with plastic high heels, a faux fur stole, and gaudy plastic earrings. I wore this getup to school with the most glamorous “dress” I owned — a beautiful satin slip. I got sent home, but in my third-grade mind, they got the picture.

      • Msmlg1979

        Such bullshit. How are little girls supposed to play and be kids when they have to dress like that? They AREN’T, I suppose!

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          As another who had to wear the skirt/jumper to school, they really aren’t. The girls are supposed to stand about in clusers or maybe do jump rope while the boys play. True fact.

          • Msmlg1979

            That makes me ragey.

        • Hutch

          AND I was a total tomboy. After school, on weekends, and all summer, I played baseball, climbed trees, crawled under the house, climbed on top of the house, etc. Hell, I couldn’t even swing or play on monkey bars in a dress. Probably why I became so brazen. “I don’t care if you see my underpants!”

          • Msmlg1979

            I was a tomboy, too. We were all allowed to be kids, like kids should be.

        • Justno

          When I was a kid we wore shorts under our uniforms. We were such rebels!

          • Msmlg1979

            Good! Damn The Man!

    • sw19womble

      Skirts seem very impractical for a number of reasons.
      I can’t imagine I’d like to have to walk around with a towel wrapped round my waist all day.
      I’ve always wanted to ask, but is it about the way the material flows/nice shapes, or showing off the legs or being/feeling ‘sexy’ or something?
      Sorry if it’s a dumb question. It’s been eating away at me for pretty much my whole life.

      • Not a dumb question. :)

        For me, it’s the look, plus the feel of it. I feel very feminine and free-moving in a skirt, and I love to show my legs. I love to wear heels, too.

        That’s just me, though.

        • sw19womble

          Thanks! I do doll collecting/photography, so I love putting together outfits, but the results are ‘static’ IYSWIM.
          I can certainly appreciate the look of a short skirt/long legs combo, but obviously they’re only in one (or limited) positions or angles. Setting those sorts of poses up just always hits home how impractical they are IRL.
          So, it’s a balance of ‘feeling of freedom’ but limiting movement at the same time (depending on shortness of skirt etc)?

          • Nice! I love fashion dolls.

            Umm, it depends on the skirt. I have tight miniskirts that kind of feel like shorts, as far as freedom of movement goes, and a couple of pleated tartan-pattern skirts that almost feel like you aren’t wearing them at all. The kind of “float”, if you follow.

            My heels are probably more what limits mobility, but for me, my back feels more comfortable in heels.( I dated a woman that loved the look of heels, but couldn’t really wear them because they caused back pain) I wear mid-high wedgies in the Summer, as a compromise between comfort/freedom and looks.

          • sw19womble

            Thanks for the info, much appreciated. Shoes was going to be my supplementary question, as I never understood the obsession with shoes and high heels… until I started NGAF what people thought and started buying my first doll or two. ;)
            I see women tottering down the street sometimes and wonder how can that be comfortable!

            Some of my posher girls look fantastic tho, when they have the high heels or knee-high boots on.

          • Well, heels look sexy and make me feel feminine. I have some wider, Platform heels that are easy to walk in, and a few that are too sexy to be much good for walking. XD

          • Skadi

            It really depends on the type of heel. A slight lift is not much different from flats. A solid blocky heel is also (relatively) easy to manage–you can even run in them, with a little practice. Spike heels are a pain, but some find the way they extend the leg aesthetically pleasing. I prefer low heels myself, but I’m already pretty tall, with long legs, and I’d tower over people in very high heels.

          • sw19womble

            Okay supplementary dumb question (last one I promise!): is it deemed aesthetically or socially bad for a woman to be taller than a man, or other women?
            Is there in fact an ideal height or ratio?

          • Skadi

            There are certainly some negative stereotypes associated with tall women, just as there are with athletic/muscular women. And some men feel uncomfortable with a woman looking down on them rather than the other way around.

            But to be absolutely fair, I’ve noticed people of both sexes are more comfortable if you look them in the eye (though not for too long at a time, the which it took me a while to learn) rather than looking down your nose.

          • Yes, luckily social skills like eye-contact and such are learn-able. It takes practice. :)

            I’m 5’10’ barefooted, so I tower over most people in my heels. I’ve had shorter men display discomfort, and other shorter men approach with pick-up lines, so it depends.

            For me, it’s attitude and chemistry more than height and such.

        • Serai 1

          Yeah, freedom of movement is a big thing. The only pants I ever wore that gave me real freedom came from a shop called “Chi Pants”. Yeah, the name was moonbeamy, but the pants were AWESOME, because they were sewn with

          *** GUSSET CROTCHES *** (*throws sparkles*)

          I don’t know why ALL pants aren’t sewn that way. NO BINDING AT ALL. You could do splits with those pants on and never feel the slightest tension in the seams. Hell, if they were still around, I might be able to wear pants even today. *sigh*

          • They sound like great pants. I do ok with jeans if they have stretchy material built in, and I have several leggings that look like jeans.

            I don’t like trousers at *all*.

          • Serai 1

            I used to wear jeans, years ago. Now they’re more or less torture devices for me. Can’t sit down in them without pain.

          • Yeah, not worth it.

            Honestly, I love to show leg, so most of my skirts are mini-length. I do have a couple of midis that flow prettily and are extremely comfortable to wear. I usually just wear booty shorts underneath.

          • Serai 1

            I’ve never been comfortable showing my body, not even when I was young and cute. Arms are really the only part I’ve ever not cared about showing. So my skirts are all at least shin-length. But I’ve also always been into lots of color and pattern and sparkle. From my years at RenFaire, I learned to layer my clothing, so I wear skirts of different lengths on top of each other. I just love the sense of movement around my body that skirts and other loose clothing gives me. Never could understand the attraction of tight clothing, myself.

          • Being comfortable is what is right, and you look good when you feel good. :)

            Long skirts are cute too, I love like bohemian-style that move when you walk, and layering is always a good look. :)

      • Msmlg1979

        It’s not dumb. I have always been curious about a number of guy experiences. I wear dresses more often than skirts and tops. It’s easy to put on a dress. It’s a single piece, no need to match anything else with it, except shoes. Dresses are comfortable and cool in the summer, and I look damn good in them! ;) There are have to be careful getting out of the car, and sometimes the wind will lift your skirt. Some women don’t like them at all. I am very traditionally “girly”. I like pretty dresses, heels, makeup, and things like that. I enjoy expressing my femininity in that way, and it feels right for me. Women should feel free to be a woman in the way that is right for them. Just as men should.

        • Nice! I have a 2x top and a 10 waist, so skirts and separates are easier to fit right now.

          I’m quite “girly”, and my 2 girlfriends have been more Tomboyish. One of them really rocked a business suit-and-tie look on dates.

          • Msmlg1979

            I love menswear-inspired clothes on women. It’s hot! At home, I dress like a total slacker. Pajama bottoms, tank tops, bare feet or GTFO!

          • It is a hot look. Sometimes I do a button-up shirt and a tie.

            Might as well be comfy at home, right?

            I do makeup and such everyday, but that’s what feels good to me. Usually shorts and a tank top in the warm weather.

        • sw19womble

          I can’t talk for other men, as I don’t understand “sexy” (asexual spectrum) – for instance the Hooters barmaid and cheerleader thing is sort of funny… men’s reaction to it at least!
          But yes, I totally appreciate pretty stuff and paintings and fashion, but separate from real life, if you like: like fashion or art as ‘ideals’ of feminine beauty.
          Thanks indeed for the feedback from both of you. TBH I had to “fake it” for much of my life, as I was going along with the crowd… and I was brought up when boys still had to be boys and girls girls, although the New Romantic music scene sort of broke that open for me, fortunately, in the early 80’s as a teenager. Although I went more down the goth route for personal and emotional reasons.

          People should feel free to do what they like and not get judged or stared at … and wearing skirts and stuff – or not – is the least of that.

          • You’re asexual? I have a couple of online friends that are also asexual. I can only imagine some of the things people must say to you.

            But yes, be yourself, always. I lived in utter misery until I decided to trust myself. In 2 weeks, it’ll be a year of living fulltime as a woman. :)

          • sw19womble

            Thanks and same goes for you! One of my clients is finally transitioning, very late in life. They’re still absolutely terrified of losing one certain “best” friend and has been warned by them not to take the “nonsense” further etc… *scowls* It’s a very schizophrenic situation and has been for a while, but they’ve at least started the hormones in the past year or two. Still part time tho – but spending more time as they want to be.
            As for me, I can pretty much hide in plain sight, as I’ve had a few girlfriends – because they wanted that sort of relationship, or assumed I did, and all that. However, one lady friend in the past 11 years is no longer enough cover for ‘polite society’, so I think people are assuming I’m gay now. Especially with the doll collecting :D
            I only get pestered by gay guys now LOL but I don’t mind a bit of flirting (biromantic or possibly panromantic) but I get sort of confused and out of my depth at some point.
            It’s also annoying for me that I can’t be friends with a woman that easily, because they assume (quite rightly it has been pointed out to me) that men are only interested in one thing.

            Anyway, sorry, hijacked the thread on Mississippi bigots, thanks for the info and the sidechat.. I have to speed off to an appointment now!
            TTFN :)

          • I can guess. People have a hard time understanding friendship/romance/sex are not always present in the same amount with everyone.

            I’ve had all my old friends and most of my family drop me since I came out, but it’s their loss. My worst day as a woman is betters than almost any day before.

            No apologies needed. You’ll all log off before I get tired of talking about fashions. :)

          • Msmlg1979

            For me, my clothes, makeup, jewelry, etc.. are art. I even make jewelry, and most of my own skin and hair care products. Cooking is another creative outlet for me. I get to be creative in a daily, practical way. I have to dress and eat. Might as well do it in style, and enjoy it!

          • Beanz&Berryz

            I work in a techie world, but find funly creativeness in vegetable gardening and a couple hobbies I took up (though am not devoting time to lately)… choral singing (which I usually type as choral signing) and welding of yard things… creative trellises, panels and such… creative outlets are good

          • Msmlg1979

            I grew some beautiful flowers this year, but I rent, so I plant in containers. My petunias are gorgeous. It’s very satisfying to tend living things, isn’t it? When I finally buy a house, I want lots of flowers, nice landscaping, and an herb garden. I’m learning to paint and do all kinds of neat improvements to my old furniture, too. I am terrible with tools, but trying to learn!

          • AWE-sum again. I find crafty things very satisfying. My wargaming is more crafting than anything, and assembly/painting is damned near meditative.

            I want to start some herb growing, I’m a renter too, so probably just Basil & such in the window.

          • Msmlg1979

            Fresh basil! Swoon!

          • Oh, I know. Nothing smells more Heavenly to my mind, and with all the Italian-style and TexMex I cook, it’ll be a savings as well. :)

          • Iam Reading

            Wish you were my neighbor. I’d have 5 types of organic basil to share with you at this point among other growing things. I’m an elf/hobbit big time when it comes to plants and nature. I love our Wonkette community. Best neighborhood ever.

          • Msmlg1979

            It is a good place to be, and I would take all the basil you could spare, and make you some pesto.

          • Beanz&Berryz

            Living things are a wonder, and deciding what to eat based on what’s in the yard is remarkably satisfying. Tools are good things. The loss of shop classes in (our) schools is a sad thing. I have 4 20-something daughters (including two step-daughters), and each one got a set of hand tools when they moved from dorms during college. One point of pride was the one who assembled all her new IKEA furniture after moving off to start her post-college job…

          • AWE-sum. I love the artistry of it all myself. Also too, I can be having a really bad morning, but as I put my face on, I start to smile.

            “Liking” the face I see in the mirror is still a new feeling, and a wonderful feeling.

          • Msmlg1979

            Good. You deserve it. Feel beautiful. Feel sexy. Feel confident. It’s one of the greatest acts of rebellion we women can practice in a world that works overtime to make us hate the way we look.

          • Thank you, and Roger,Affirm.

            Hey Dudes, I have a “bikini body” because I put a bikini *on* my body. :)

          • Iam Reading

            80s as a teenager. Man, that was magically weird

      • Maggie Pye

        For me, as a person who prefers to wear skirts/dresses to trousers, it’s nothing like having a towel wrapped around my waist. And it’s because they are more comfortable. They’re cooler in the summer, and in the winter, I can put fleece leggings under them.

        It’s definitely not about “showing off the legs” (I do wear dresses with bare legs, but I don’t particularly want anyone but my wife to look at them, especially as they have multiple sets of very obvious scars) or about feeling sexy. (Some of my dresses are sexy. Some of my dresses are plain cotton dresses I wear while doing the laundry or my taxes.)

        For me, it’s 80% that they are physically more comfortable for me to wear. The other 20% is that I just feel happy wearing them, which suggests that if I didn’t find them more comfortable, I’d probably wear dresses/skirts 1-2 days a week instead of 6-7.

      • Skadi

        I rarely wear “skirts”, but I do wear dresses in summer. Frankly, few things are more comfortable than a light sundress in 80+ weather. With a low neck and no sleeves, and fabric hanging down loose instead of pressed against your legs and *cough* ahem. You sweat a lot less, though you do need more sunscreen.

      • RandomNameAllocated

        Can I just add that I find skirts / dresses really practical because they give you a lap for cats / babies / sweets and hankies for when you’re driving alone / bags etc. You don’t have to worry about them falling between your legs.
        Of course, when I am Empress of the Universe ALL skirts and dresses will have pockets. I aim to be firm but fair.

      • Serai 1

        It’s about comfort, at least for me. Trousers are EXTREMELY uncomfortable, I can no longer wear them. (Yeah, not all of us can stand the pressure of seams cutting into our flesh, thanks.) Besides, getting the air onto your skin is good for you, and the naughty bits appreciate it.

        • Iam Reading

          I wear a utilikilt or a longhi (sp? Cambodian man skirt) around the house frequently. So comfy.

      • Left Coast Tom

        You’re in the UK, right? Aren’t there some Scots around you could ask about the attraction of skirts? I guess they call them “kilts”, but…

        • sw19womble

          Kilts are the result of a drunken dare that got way out of hand!

    • Left Coast Tom

      if I had to wear dresses through an Appalachian winter, my ass would
      literally freeze off, not to mention the constantly blowing wind would
      cause my skirt to reside around my ears at all times

      Pics or GTFO…

      • Msmlg1979

        Patches of frostbite are not sexy, man!

  • Blank Ron

    1. Invent religion that forbids its adherents to touch wood
    2. Get job as lumberjack
    3. Complain that my religion forbids me to touch wood
    4. Sit on my ass all day in a plastic chair and get paid anyway

    See the problem yet, Mississippi?

    • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

      Pretty sure Christianity doesn’t want anybody to touch wood, even if it’s their own wood.

      • SessileRaptor

        Just need to find a job that involves jerking off all day.

        In completely unrelated news I hear that Rush Limbaugh is on the way out…

        • Thatsitfor Theotherwon

          I’ve got that job! It’s called retirement.

        • Longstreet63

          I’m pretty sure there’s some variety of fluffer who…
          Oh, you mean jerking YOURSELF off.
          Ok, you’re gonna have to go to the web chat route for that career…

  • Scooby

    I guess the 14th Amendment is 7X better than the 2nd! Math!

  • I Only Like Cats

    You know what’s funny about all this bigotry? Jehovah’s Witnesses who are nurses are allowed to give blood transfusions, depending on their position and conscience. Why? Because it’s the other person’s choice, not theirs, and the Bible says to respect people’s beliefs.

    • Longstreet63

      And that’s why JWs are not Real Christians. (TM)

    • Blank Ron

      Not MY Bible.
      – Tate Reeves

  • Vincent Ricola

    Embrace change, Mississippi! Learn to love the gays! You have the best state name out of them all – it even comes with a little head tune that plays when I type it… MISS…ISS… IPP…I – so just focus on that for awhile.

    • Blank Ron

      ‘What should we name our new state?’
      ‘I dunno, something that makes eight-year-old boys giggle when they spell it?’

    • Aquaria

      The not so PC way that most Southerners are taught to spell it:

      “M-I-crooked letter-crooked letter-I…crooked letter-crooked letter-I…hump back-hump back-I.”

      My son kept messing up how to spell Mississippi back when he was larnin’ about the states and their capitals, so I taught him this little trick, much to my chagrin. He thought it was so funny that he never forgot again how to spell Mississippi.

  • SessileRaptor

    If I was pulling down 100K a year to shuffle papers and sign things (in a state with both below median income and cost of living) I’d be so busy shuffling and signing I wouldn’t give a shit who was marrying who.

    • I Only Like Cats

      If anyone can’t keep their clerk job for Sincerely Held Religious Belief reasons, I’d be happy to take it off their hands.

      • Kavefish

        No kiddin’!

      • Serai 1

        I’ve worked for a county clerk. Yep, I’d take the job, too. But not in Mississippi, thank you.

        • Iam Reading

          Think of all the well paid Wonkette commenting you could do.

        • Jacquelinedlaird


    • chortlingdingo

      I’d like to know how Mississippi can even afford to pay their government employees so much money? Like, shouldn’t some of that money go toward fixing infrastructure and schools?

      • SessileRaptor

        IIRC they actually get a chunk of all the fees they collect from doing various clerk stuff, so if somebody gets a permit or asks for records and there’s a fee attached the county clerk directly gets some or all of that fee up to a cap.

  • Kavefish

    Kim Davis waddles into Mississippi in 3… 2… 1…

  • Rick Hill

    These people, again…

    • SessileRaptor

      There was a comic called “John Sable, freelance.” by Mike Grell where the main character was kind a freelance merc for hire doing badass adventurer stuff. There was an issue where he found out a guy he was working with was gay, and they had a conversation about why the main character was uncomfortable with that fact. The gay guy basically said “Well, do you see every woman as a possible conquest? Cause that might be why you see gay guys as you do.” causing the main character to have a “well shit…” moment and reassess his views, it was great.

      • I didn’t read much of “John Sable”, but Mike Grell’s “Warlord” was awesome.

        You wouldn’t think a swords-n-sandals comic about a USAF Colonel shooting dinosaurs would have great Feminist characters and insightful plots about relationships and responsibility, but theres ya’ go.

        And plenty of near-nekkid hardbodies, male and female. XD

    • CriticalDragon1177

      Well that’s one of the reasons I support gay rights. I don’t fear other men treating me the way I treat women. Maybe that is also a reason why feminists tend to be much less homophobic in general.

      • Iam Reading

        I have a nice ass. Y’all are welcome to look. Mrs. Reading takes it as a complement.

  • Ilgattomorte

    My point exactly Mississippi! There are no computers in the bible. God helps those who help themselves. Man should not rely on machines to do things for him. We should grind our noses, pull on our bootstraps, put wheels to our shoulders, or something like that. Computers are the devil.

    That is why I refuse to do the IT work I am so unfairly paid to do, in accordance with my deeply held religious beliefs. No more will my 1st Amendment rights be spat upon by the users who expect me to participate in the sin of automated destruction. That is why I stand firm in my faith in God, his son Jesus Christ, my right to practice my beliefs and especially my right to pick up my paycheck on Thursday.

    • Serai 1

      It’d be pretty funny if the IT guys in places where these idiots are “practicing their religion” actually did do that.

    • James Christopher Owen

      I find it amusing to hear Christians repeating the old saw about God helping those who help themselves, even though it’s not from the Bible, but from Ovid’s Metamorphosis (and can be found in varying forms in earlier Greek literature).

      • efoveks

        Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! :-)

        This (wrong attribution to the Bible) is one of my pet peeves.

      • Mehmeisterjr

        But the Bible does say, “God helps those who help themselves to Ovid’s Metamorphosis and attribute it to the Bible,” right?

        • James Christopher Owen

          Well played, sir.

    • Bear OmNomNom

      Sadly, your boss is a Second-Day Compensationist and is thus bound by his beliefs to make you wait for next Tuesday.

    • phoenix00

      “Praying the viruses away each and every Sabbath day?”

  • We had a town clerk in this area who quit last year over this, claiming that issuing marriage licenses to gays would be against her religion, and how she was against the Supreme Court “legislating.” All very, very impressive, if you ignored that marriage equality had been the law in this state for over two years, and the likelihood of actually finding gays wanting to get married in that town (<300 people) was slim, to put it mildly. But hey, she took a stand, just in time to fully vest in the retirement system!

    • DinkyBossetti

      Where I live, the marriage licenses are done by the county, and our county Register of Wills did the opposite – he started issuing licenses to same sex couples even though it was illegal at the time. He was like, “It’s part of my job to issue marriage licenses, and I’m going to do my job. One day we won’t talk about ‘same sex marriage’ anymore; it will just be marriage.” He issued almost 200 licenses to same sex couples before the Commonwealth Court made him stop, and then of course he was eventually vindicated.

    • Serai 1

      How very devout of her to wait until she got the biggest payout for her “piety”. I wonder what Jesus would say to that? Hm…

      • There’s nothing like making a firm moral stand the moment you’ve got 20 years in and can put in your retirement paperwork. One can only wonder at her moral agony as she slogged through almost three years of marriage equality in the state, before the Supreme Court’s decision. Or, in my case, you write a letter to the local newspaper calling her a fucking idiot. (I used nicer words)

        • Ghenghis McCann

          Nothing to do with religion. but there was a fellow who worked at the nuclear plant a few miles down the road from me. Once he was retired and had his pension, he was continually writing to the local paper about all the unsafe working practices he’d seen. Before then, not a word.

  • Jeff in the desert

    Jews who can not perform work on the Sabbath hire a Shabbos goy to do it. Why don’t these “Christians” hire Heathen subs to do the work they can not perform due to religious reasons?

    • Serai 1

      Because Jews are a lot more inventive and logical when it comes to problems like this?

      • Boscoe

        Also too because Jesus didn’t create ‘Murica in his own oddly white and apparently entitled image so it could cater to Jewishes.

  • Oblios_Cap

    we just wanted to point out Mississippi’s full of dicks.

    But not everyone in the state’s a dick. I know of at least one commenter here from that bigot-ridden hellhole.

    • sw19womble

      Is it Richard Jackson?

      • Bear OmNomNom

        Or Stonewall!

    • There’s a funny in there somewhere about at least one of our beloved Mississippi-based posters who has a fondness for dicks…

  • Me not sure

    “I now pronounce you Sodomite and Sodomate….. waddaya mean I can’t say it that way?”

  • elviouslyqueer

    I will be so glad when Judge Reeves boots 1523 into the nearest dumpster and sets it on fire. Then our idiot lege can get back to the business of dealing with our poverty, obesity, diabetes, and stupidity.



    • Left Coast Tom

      I remember a few years ago reading (per NYT) about your idiot lege having finally decided to do something about the teen pregnancy rate in MS, so they finally, at long last, passed a law providing for sex education in high schools. Great. Except…they allowed each school district to decide whether to implement the “abstinence only” bullshit versus actual sex education, and most of them Katie chose bullshit.

  • Panika MCD

    two things:

    I fucking hate the 5th Circuit, but they already told TX that they had to abide by Obergefell because it is “the law of the land”. so at least Mississippi couples have that going for them.

    also, too: how do the opinions of those rotting corpses square with the notion proffered by many a creationist that Adam and Eve were brown skinned with ALL THE MELANIN GENES and that their children were a rainbow that created the rainbow of skin pigments we now enjoy to hate each other for as human beings?

    • Serai 1

      Whoa, what? I hadn’t hear that one before! My, my, what an inconvenient belief!

    • eddi

      Noah’s sons are usually the dividing point. Shem got the good stuff and stayed brown. Japheth moved North and turned white. And Ham got screwed and turned black.

  • Serai 1

    “the good Lord was the original segregationist … He put the black man in
    Africa. … He made us white because he wanted us white, and He intended
    that we should stay that way.”

    I’m often amused by the weakness of their god, whose will can be defeated so easily. Just one unruly dick and POOF! His whole plan for humanity’s racial map down the drain. So sad!

    • Ghenghis McCann

      ‘I wonder what’s over that hill? ‘ Obviously words straight from Satan’s mouth, because we’re all meant to stay where we were born, just like our umpteenth great grandparents did.

      • Boscoe

        Yet that makes proselytizing very difficult! “Deeply held religious beliefs” are so complicated!

    • redarmyzombie

      Rachel Dohzal also would like to have a word…

  • proudgrampa

    The more I know about Mississippi, the more I like Somalia.

    • Mehmeisterjr

      Somalia certainly has its attractions as a vacation destination for Floridians.

    • CriticalDragon1177

      I wouldn’t go that far. It would be more like Somalia through without things like this keeping wingnuts over there in check.

    • Iam Reading

      Then you will adore idaho

      • proudgrampa

        Unfortunately, I am right next door….

  • katz

    You know, if that law were actually upheld, there would be a great opportunity for a bunch of Quakers to join the army and then refuse to do anything war-related.

    • HazooToo

      Conscientious objector status is only valid if you’re drafted, so that would be suitably ridiculous, yes!

      • Mehmeisterjr

        Or I could found The Tabernacle of the Lazy Bastards, join the Army and refuse to do any work of any kind whatsoever.

        • kaw143

          With a name like The Tabernacle of the Lazy Bastards, why even bother with joining the Army? That sounds like too much effort. And effort is against the religion! Now, somebody else bring me a beer.

  • Boscoe

    Again, as always, I’ll be sure to start caring about the “deeply held religious beliefs” just as soon as they can present a scientific method for verifying them.

    • phoenix00

      Why invoke science when Jesus has all the answers?

  • Randy Riddle

    Oh well. Maybe Mississippi can go back to working on getting those separate water fountains again.

  • CriticalDragon1177

    Hopefully the homophobes will have an even worse week when this gets to the supreme court, and hopefully Hillary will be in the white house by than and will have appointed another liberal judge, who will rule in favor of the real constitution not the imaginary one that wingnuts think is compatible with banning gays from having sex.

  • SecludedCompound

    Wait, so… Kim Davis makes >$100 K a year and still dresses like that?

    Good to know misguided Twitter warriors won’t have be calling me classist for bringing this up now.

    • CriticalDragon1177

      Oh I had almost forgotten about that great “Christian Heroine.” Hopefully she’ll be getting a new job soon. Maybe she could be Pat Robertson’s secretary. She won’t come across too many gays than.

      • Land Shark

        Other than Pat, of course.

    • thenearesthippie

      The lovely Miss Davis is a county clerk in Kentucky and makes only about $80K a year. The poor dear can barely afford a single jumper.

  • merl1

    you guys are wrong again. not one single person in mississippi is a racist like you libtards insist. i should know, i have family there and they get VERY offended when i laugh at their racism. they let me know in no uncertain terms that they are NOT racists because our father didn’t raise them to be racists. Of course he didn’t raise them to be ignorant haters either, but that’s a separate issue.

    • CriticalDragon1177

      If you’re not trying to be funny I think we might have one of this week’s top deleted comments!

      • Left Coast Tom

        I interpreted it as snark…”ignorant haters” being a “separate issue” was the tipoff.

      • merl1

        that just occured to me too. but i’m sure it’s recognizable as snark to everyone except pheonix 001

      • merl1

        I was actually banned from commenting at Raw Story because their humorless dickhead commenters can’t recognize a good joke. hahaha

    • phoenix00

      bless your heart

      I think the rest of us will keep laughing at your collective ignorance.

      • merl1

        is it possible that you read wonkette and don’t recognize snark when you see it? bless your heart

        • phoenix00

          Sometimes it’s so well done it flies right over my head.

          /bows in apologetic admiration

          • merl1

            thanks. i was a little surprised at your reaction.

    • LadyLaz

      Lol. World class snark. Deh ain’t racist, Deh ignorant haters…. ;)

  • Paperless Tiger

    He put the black man in Africa.

    Yeah, but then he put cotton in America, so that was that.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    I’m going to have to see the Gov’s and Lt. Gov’s long form certificates before I’ll believe they aren’t related.

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