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Newt Gingrich, that brilliant historian of history who knows history real good, is seriously worried Barack Obama will weaken America’s place in the world when he visits Hiroshima later this month, the first time a sitting U.S. president has traveled to the site of the first atomic bombing. And while the administration has taken pains to insist that the visit will not involve an apology for the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which killed at least 129,000 people, Gingrich told the “Breitbart News Today” podcast he’s quite certain the president “will have some kind of mindless anti-American apology at some time,” because of course Obama simply hates America that much.

I think he’s gonna tell us we should all be against nuclear weapons, which I think we should certainly be against the use of nuclear weapons, but I don’t know that the world becomes safer. You know, we had a period here where the U.S. and the Soviet Union, and to a much lesser extent the British and the French and the Chinese held a balance of terror which actually has prevented a war for a very long time. If you look at most of human history, to go for human history for literally 70 years without a major war is remarkable. And there’s a chance we’ll go further.

Hooray for The Bomb and Mutually Assured Destruction and the Balance of Terror, which have left us safe to have tons of proxy wars without ending life on earth! The Cold War worked, people. But now Obama’s going to screw it all up by going to a museum and probably writing some Bible verse about “peace” in the guest book at the Peace Memorial Museum while he’s still president, instead of waiting until he’s safely out of office like Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter did.

Somehow, Newt seems to think this will destabilize the world, because America’s dick will get soft if Obama so much as suggests that incinerating people in nuclear fire is a bad thing. (And hey, let’s not even think about discussing the morality of the American firebombing of Japanese cities, which killed over 300,000, mostly civilians, and essentially wiped out all but five Japanese urban areas — the ones we were “saving” to drop the atomic bombs on).

Later, Gingrich really got to the point that makes his perspective so much wiser than Obama’s wimpy capitulation to our Forever Foe, Imperial Japan (which ceased to exist 70 years ago, but is still the enemy). He patiently explained that Harry S. Truman decided to drop the bomb because he believed an invasion of the Japanese mainland would have cost a million American lives, and also, Gingrich met a WWII vet who said he was glad Truman used the bomb to end the war because he was sure that’s the only reason he’s alive today. Contrast that with the weak, sniveling apology-laden statement from White House spokesman Josh Earnest:

“What I think the president does appreciate is that President Truman made this decision for the right reasons,” said Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary. Those reasons included a focus on the security of the United States and ending a terrible war, he said.

“I think given the way that President Truman approached this dilemma and given the outcome, I think it’s hard to look back and second-guess him too much,” Mr. Earnest said.

So obviously, while Obama won’t be apologizing in Hiroshima, and Japan’s prime Minister Shinzo Abe has made it clear no apology is expected, we all know this is all said with a wink, because Obama bows to an Emperor or a robot every damn time he’s in Japan. The president may as well just be pissing on the graves of all those brave boys who stormed the beaches at Normandy for even showing his face in Japan. As comments on YouTube videos of the 2011 earthquake and Tsunami reminded us, many revenge-minded American teenagers still think Japan needs to be nuked and drowned and earthquaked and Godzilla’d a few hundred more times before we can really get even for Pearl Harbor.

Gingrich went on to praise Donald Trump for his “brilliant” foreign policy and willingness to use force whenever it’s good for America, while Obama and Hillary Clinton, and even the Republican establishment, are weak and keep giving away all of America’s advantages, constantly relying on stupid things like the UN and other international agreements. You’ll never see Donald Trump going to Hiroshima’s Peace Museum, unless of course he arrives riding on the nose of a hydrogen bomb like Slim Pickens. YEEEEEE-HAW!

[WaPo / RightWingWatch / NYT / Atlantic / Asia-Pacific Journal]

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  • SDGeoff

    Newt might as well chime in. I wish I had a quarter for every news source I’ve seen running editorials like “Here’s What Obama Should Say When He Gets His Presidential Ass To Japan”.
    Why do I have a funny feeling that President Bamz already has a better handle on it than they could ever imagine?

  • Candy Apple

    Good, I hope he does apologize.

  • glasspusher

    No snark- knew a guy who had a brother who was one of the three American POWs in the Hiroshima jail. Needless to say, he was one of the casualties. War is hell.

    • H0mer0

      YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW [him] UP! AH, DAMN YOU! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
      [there’s nothing friendly about “friendly fire.”]
      My kids read a story about a Hiroshima survivor who decided to go to work in Nagasaki after it was “safe” to venture out, then….

      A mighty Persian king went walking in his pleasure gardens one day and heard a great cry, and he was immediately set upon by a panicked servant.

      “Mighty king,” said the servant, “I have need of your aid! I was working in the garden and came upon Death here, who threatened me. I managed to escape from him, but I fear now for my life. Give me your fastest horse and I know I can make it to the city of Tehran by nightfall, and there I will get away from him.”

      The king considered for a moment, weighing the good servant’s years of loyal help, and assented, providing him with the horse and silver.
      The king continued to walk in his gardens, and amid the sound of the
      horse and servant riding off together, the king himself came upon Death.

      “Why have you threatened my servants?” the king asked.

      Death shook his head. “A thousand apologies, sir, but I did not threaten the man. I merely expressed my surprise at finding him here in your gardens today.”

      “And why should my servant’s presence here be a surprise to you?” the king asked.

      And Death replied with a smile, “I was surprised to find him here,
      good king, because I know that we have an appointment to meet tonight in
      Tehran.”

  • Scooby

    Trumps suggestion was for Obama to say sorry you slant eyed bitches made us incinerate your asses…now here are some nukes for you.

    • CriticalDragon1177

      That would probably be about the best apology you could ever hope for from Trump.

      • Scooby

        The best Udon is at Trump Tower Grill!

        • kindness

          But is it made from real Girl Scouts?

        • UncleTravelingMatt

          Trump loves Asiatics!

          • Scooby

            General Tso…low energy…pathetic!

        • Paul

          Pffft. Noodles. Does Trump have those cakes we like?

          • Scooby

            Wagashi? No, they only serve fake ethnic food at Trump Tower Grill. That’s why it’s the best!

    • H0mer0

      “No nukes for you!”

  • glasspusher

    I’m sure history will vindicate eviscerate Gingrich.

    • therblig

      i’d settle for “forget”

    • Ikimizi

      That won’t be a problem for Newt. He writes his own versions of history. Literally- he writes “alternate history” novels.

      • glasspusher

        Are you saying there’s one where he doesn’t leave congress in disgrace? That’s quite an imagination!

        • Little Lulu

          Interestingly, out of all of the infinite versions of reality that inhabit the same space, but at different frequencies, The Neuter left congress in disgrace in every one of them.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        A friend was in the Baen Books writer’s stable when Jim Baen bought Newt’s book. They were all thrilled. They expected the book to be a bestseller based on his name, and, with the money flowing in, their advances would all go up.

        A couple years later, Baen paid a paper recycler to take all the books off his hands because it was cheaper than paying the warehouse fees.

  • duckshoe

    “literally 70 years without a major war is remarkable.” True if so, but what is not remarkable (in fact, utterly predictable) is that the racist little shit means “without a major war amonst the White People.” The Central African War killed upwards of five million people in the 90s, but fuck them right?

    • JMP

      Not to mention that he seems to be forgetting the very brutal civil wars that the US decided to interfere in in Korea and Vietnam – maybe because the first was a tie, while in the second the US got our asses kicked?

      • duckshoe

        What a handicap, to have multiple blind spots…oh, gosh, it doesn’t stop him, does it?

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Mendez: Glory be to the Bomb, and to the Holy Fallout. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. World without end. Amen.


      Mendez: [praying] The heavens declare the glory of the Bomb, and the firmament showeth His handiwork.

      Mendez: May the Blessings of the Bomb Almighty, and the Fellowship of the Holy Fallout, descend upon us all. This day and forever more.

      Congregation: [singing] Amen!

    • malsperanza

      Hard to see how our little adventure in SE Asia fails the “major war” test. 2 million Vietnamese dead, probably 3 million Cambodians, and involving by my count 8 nations, including the Big Three, USA, China, and Russia. Proxy wars are still Major Powers wars.

      And at this point, the Mideast is on year 13 of our little 2-week fixit in Iraq.

      I suppose he means in Europe, because everyone knows that WWI and WWII were fought mainly in Europe. That’s why they are called “world wars” – because Europeans had to take the long way round to travel across Europe during those years.

  • Indiepalin

    Newt is hoping Trump will pick him so he can emulate the greatest of all Republican VPs, Harry Truman.

  • therblig

    another doughy chickenhawk claiming bamz isn’t tough enough.

  • jviscont1

    How much humanity can you expect from a man being teased for being named after a cold blooded amphibian all his life?

    • H0mer0

      I’m sure he could have fashioned his own nickname if he wanted to. Maybe “Newt” was better than “receiver of BJs from Congressional Staffer in car when his kids walked “in on them.”

  • doktorzoom

    Tacky though it is to comment on my own piece, I just wanted to recommend a couple of outstanding books by John Dower, who knows his shit about Japan and history in general. First, if you haven’t read Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II, his history of Japan right after the war, you need to read it immediately.

    I also strongly recommend his somewhat more rambling book about the dangers of pretending you’ve learned from historical comparisons, Cultures of War: Pearl Harbor / Hiroshima / 9-11 / Iraq, in which Dower grumps about wars of choice (Pearl Harbor and Iraq), and about the numbskulls in the Bush administration who read his earlier Japan book and completely missed the point — yes, America installed a new constitution and government in Japan, but it took a huge occupation and administration, not just throwing out the bad guys and hoping the free market would fix stuff.

    • Nounverb911

      John Hersey’s Hiroshima reprinted by The New Yorker.

      https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/730064872600440834

      • Well, I’ve been reading this for an hour now…

        • cynmac

          Me too.

        • The Wanderer

          It’s horrific, it is.

      • malsperanza

        Was required reading in my high school, should be assigned in all high school history classes’

        Like To Kill a Mockingbird, only less heartwarming and affirmational.

    • glasspusher

      Why do you hate freedom? Also, you’re tacky.

    • glasspusher

      Also- are you saying if we did it right, we could have great Iraqi ballplayers in the major leagues in a few decades?

      • Logic of Color

        Interesting…baseball played on rough terrain makes for awesome shortstops, so you could be on to something

      • Latverian Diplomat

        They’d have a leg up on sandlot baseball.

    • The Wanderer

      I’ve read Embracing Defeat multiple times. It and Hersey’s Hiroshima have a place side by side in my library.
      As I read in Dachau – Nie Wieder.
      Never Again.

      • H0mer0

        in one of the few Star Trek Voyager Episodes that I watched, there was a beacon emitted by a planet which gave the crew a hallucination that they were actually perpetrators of genocide (if I remember it well enough or got the point which doesn’t always happen.)

    • Lark_in_the_AM

      Pearl Harbor was a ‘war of choice’? How so? From what I understand (since I was personally alive then, I can only say what I learned in school), they attacked us, not the other way around.

      • kindness

        Yes they attacked us but….. Imperial Japan was not a nice nation. They pretty much rolled over, raped and pillaged China, Korea and the Philipines. The US cut off Japans oil to try and get them to stop. Japan has no oil of it’s own so……off to the races.

      • Thaumaturgist

        Just because it was a war of choice doesn’t mean we were the ones who got to make the choice.

        But some would argue that it wa a war of our choice because FDR cut Japan’s supply of oil, which was necessary to keep Japan’s invasion of China going. It left Japan with no choice but to seize the Dutch East Indies and to do that, successfully, Japan had to neutralize the four aircraft carriers the U S had in Hawaii.

        • Paul

          I thought the carriers were out to sea and escaped damage.

          It was an act of war which Tokyo thought was a “legit” attack, believing their ambassadors had delivered the formal declaration of war before the fury was unleashed on Pearl Harbor.

          WHY that didn’t occur in a timely fashion puzzles me. As does the fact that the carriers weren’t in port. Almost too neat.

          • Thaumaturgist

            I think it was John Toland who reported that the Japanese admiral knew he had lost the war when he saw his planes returning from Perl Harbor in formation.

          • Spotts1701

            Saratoga was undergoing a refit in Washington, Enterprise was on her way back from deploying planes at Wake, and Lexington was similarly on a plane delivery run.
            Also, you have to take into account naval doctrine at the time – it was still believed in most quarters that any naval war would be settled with battleships and a sustained gunnery attack. Carriers were still considered support elements to the Mahan Doctrine of surface warfare, and considered expendable units. Ironically, it was the success of the Japanese attack that caused aircraft carriers to vault battleships in terms of naval prominence.

          • Paul

            Thanks for the edification about the carriers.

            WTF happened with that declaration of war?

          • doktorzoom

            The Japanese embassy staff in DC were slow in decoding and typing it up, and delivered it to Secretary of State Cordell Hull several hours after the attack. Tokyo hadn’t been especially clear in communicating tot he embassy that it had to be delivered to Hull at exactly 1:00 DC time, when the attack was beginning, so that war would have formally been declared just before the attack.

          • cousin itt

            A simple Tweet would have sufficed. Even Trump knows how to do that.

          • Paul

            Thanks for clearing that up.

      • doktorzoom

        It was JAPAN’s war of choice, sorry

        • Lark_in_the_AM

          ‘Sall right – I thought I’d missed some critical piece of information (not that that ever happens in public education) that I should have known about our entry into WWII.

          • dansezlajavanaise

            it sure wouldn’t happen in private education. those non-union teachers are infallible, doncha know.

    • OddMan

      Thanks Dok.

    • Paul

      Learnin is hard. Where’s the dick jokes?

    • At the corner, turn left

      I hope you see my post above where I mention Dower and Hoyt.

    • malsperanza

      Thanks for the rec.

  • say wha

    Philandering quitter-loser says What?

  • shastakoala

    It’s all fun and games.
    https://youtu.be/k9YYbrZ4whY

  • Spotts1701

    The atomic bomb was a “necessary evil” – given the option of using a risky weapon (the odds were even money it would just make a big boom without triggering the nuclear payload) that could demonstrate overwhelming force, or a ground and aerial attack that would have prolonged the war another 6-9 months and killed upwards of 5-10 million Japanese (both soldiers and civilians) alongside U.S. troop casualties…the choice was really not one at all if the concept was to force the Empire to surrender.
    Now, all of that being said there is still the point that we are still the only nation to ever use nuclear weapons on the battlefield. The devastation caused by those two weapons pales in comparison to the possible havoc the nuclear firepower possessed by us now (let alone the other nuclear states) would cause. The goal should be to secure the nukes that do exist, reduce the number that can be utilized, and resolve flashpoints before one side decides to go to “the bomb”. That is not an unreasonable position, if one isn’t a blood-thirsty maniac.

    • The Wanderer

      It must be pointed out that the Big Brains were so sure that the gun-type weapon would work that they didn’t test it. The first test of a Hiroshima-type warhead was in the 50s when Atomic Annie was put through its paces.
      My personal opinion is that the bomb would have been used in any event – not merely to inflict damage, but also to scare/impress the Soviet Union.

    • cousin itt

      Nit picking but relevant as to your point of US using it first: We didn’t drop them on the battlefield per se, but on civilian/military industrial targets. Just saying. Pearl was mostly a military-target operation by comparison. It’s not for me to agree/disagree with Truman, that’s just how it happened. Across the centuries, human conflict was seldom confined to spatial or moral constraints.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Speaking of Newt’s knowledge of history…

    • OneYieldRegular

      “Where’s the cocktails at?”

      • therblig

        where are the cancer free virgins at?

    • atheistinafoxhole

      How romantic.

      • cousin itt

        Callista’s goth look is super creepy.

  • JMP

    America must be strong with strength and just constantly threaten the rest of the world into doing whatever we say or else, that certainly both would work out well and would not turn the US into the unequivocal tyrannical villain in international relations acting just as we used to always accuse the Soviet Union of doing (or you know like Japan and Germany back in the day).

  • Treg.Brown

    “will have some kind of mindless anti-American apology at some time,”

    Spoken like a man with a perpetual bag packed on the chance his current wife becomes ill.

  • I wonder if Gingrich knows just how damn close we came during the Cold War to ending the human race? Computer glitches that looked to us or to the Soviets like the other guys had launched, and only the human element prevented WW3 from actually starting.

  • natoslug

    How’s the moon colony going, Newt?

    • cousin itt

      Extra cheesy.

    • whitroth

      The one the sob talked about… but didn’t try to fund? Just like all the rest of the Repugnicants, who talk SPACE, but won’t spend a dime more on it, and prefer to cut it, since they still see NASA and human spaceflight as a Democratic victory (never mind that Eisenhower created it), and so take credit for stuff done under Dem admins….

      Goddamnit, I want the *real* 21st Century back, not this imitation of the 20’s and 30’s of the last century.

      mark “and where’s my ticket on
      PanAm to the Wheel?”

      • willi0000000

        where’s PanAm?

        • Blank Ron

          Still operating Boeing 377 flying boats across the Pacific and Orion IIIs to LEO.
          It’s my dream, I can have both!

          • At the corner, turn left

            Whoopsie. The Boeing 377 was a landplane. Maybe you were thinking about the Boeing 314 or Martin M-130 Clippers. Oh, how I wish I had been alive to fly in one of those *sigh*

          • At the corner, turn left

            Oops. Hit ‘post’ too soon.
            Martin M-310

          • Blank Ron

            Ack, you’re right. I was thinking of the 314 but got my numbers confuzzled. I abase my unworthy self at your feet!

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Eisenhower in the modern GOP mythos is just to the left of Lenin.

  • I Only Like Cats

    Ah yes, America should certainly get more involved in foreign affairs, but unlike those weak presidents, like Truman, they shouldn’t clean up the mess and resolve unintended consequences after they’ve finished. As Trump will probably say, “That’ll just make us too weak. They had it coming! Really, they did, they were begging for it! And I think there might be some that are good people, but really, wow. They shouldn’t have asked for it! That’s all I’m saying. We need to win again!”

    • At the corner, turn left

      Don’t forget the, “Remember I said it…” part. That’s what makes it all true.

  • Anarchy Pony

    America must be strong and run a protection racket on the whole world, that way, everyone will love us, cuz those that don’t will be radioactive ash.

    • Cindyinencinitas

      That’s Drumpf’s actual philosophy on proper foreign policy. That’s a nice country you have there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.

      • phoenix00

        AND make the other countries pay for it!

  • cousin itt

    What’s next, apologize to the Romulans? FLOTUS is one of them!1!

    • CriticalDragon1177

      Michelle Obama actually looks in that dress, and it looks nothing like the costumes that actress is wearing.

    • At the corner, turn left

      I’m sorry to be all guy ‘n’ stuff, but Michelle Obama is a babe, pure and simple. The fact that she’s waaay smarter than any repub and Bernista and probably me as well just adds to her luster.

  • AngryBlakGuy

    …how can Newt Gingrich be worrying about Obama embarrassing the United States when George Bush vomited on the Prime Minister of Japan back in the 80’s

    http://youtu.be/XnOnDatqENo

    • cousin itt

      That was a Kirin shame.

      • Creepoman

        Asahi what you did there . . .

        • chimichanga

          That’s Sapporo joke.

          • Querolous

            Puns like these make me want to get in Midori and paddle out of here.

  • JoeChristmas

    Donald Trump is Slim Pickens.

    • Lambsendbeds

      Slim Pickens libelz!

    • Paul

      He’ll need Slim’s cowboy hat to read “Making America Great Again”.

  • Rick Hill

    If we take nukes off the table, how can we turn the mideast into a glass parking lot that glows at night? Huh? Answer me that, Mr. Peacenik.

    • H0mer0

      how ’bout dem Bernie Bro glowsticks?

  • Enfant Terrible

    Mrs. Terrible and I visited Nagasaki in 1995 when they observed the 50th anniversary of that city’s atomic bomb attack. We stood at Ground Zero which is now a park with cherry trees that were in blossom when we were there. I swear I heard whispers of departed spirits as we stood amid the cherry blossoms. We even met some of the remaining survivors. One gentleman we met was 12 at the time of the bombing. His back was so saturated with glass fragments that he had to lie on his stomach for *years* while the doctors extracted the debris from his body. His description of his ordeal had us in tears. He regarded us kindly and said “Work for peace”.

    • DemmeFatale

      My Dad died of a blood cancer when he was 54.
      The doctors were trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together, because they hadn’t seen this before.
      When he mentioned that we lived in Japan for two years in the early 60’s, the room got quiet and the color drained out of their faces.
      Hmmm…

      • At the corner, turn left

        I’m assuming that was either in the Hiroshima or Nagasaki areas. Farther north it shouldn’t have been a problem.

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  • Jenny

    GAH SHUT UP AND GO AWAY NEWP GINGRICH!

  • cheetojeebus

    How can we be sure some alien invertebrate hasn’t entered Newt’s head through his ear while he slept and ate his brain? All signs seem to point in this direction.

    • CriticalDragon1177

      Maybe its done the same with just about every major GOP politician in Washington DC. It seems they all say some crazy things.

    • beavertank

      I’m hard pressed to know how you could tell the difference between that situation and his normal daily activities without exploratory brain surgery.

      • Blank Ron

        Somebody wake up Dr Ben!

    • The Wanderer

      Don’t libel Ceti eels. They’re very sensitive creatures.

      • H0mer0

        why does “invertebrate” always look in print like a pejorative term?

        • The Wanderer

          Some words just look odd. Like ‘vehicle.’ Or ‘skulking.’

  • Logic of Color

    Somewhat on topic…watch this movie if you like things that are good (but not if you like things that are bad)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imtdgdGOB6Q

    • Lark_in_the_AM

      Love, love LOVE this movie – but then I love everything Miyazaki

    • SDGeoff

      Thank you.

    • phoenix00

      Miyazaki, like Newt, is often times off his rocker, but goddamn are his movies beautiful.

  • btwbfdimho

    In the name of humanity, Obama should make an apology for Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Gingrich & for Callista.

  • Lark_in_the_AM

    Why has Newt crawled out from whatever rock he’s been hiding under with the rest of the GOP has-been cockroaches, and what does anyone give a rat’s patootie what this clown has to say about anything? Go fuck yourself, Newt. You are about as brilliant as a burnt-out match and half as useful.

    • Ryan Denniston

      More like crawled out from under whatever ass he’s kissing for a paycheck.

  • OneYieldRegular

    Trump would have dropped the atomic bomb on Ferguson.

    • Thaumaturgist

      If Trump had dropped the bomb on Ferguson it would have taken out St.Louis as well and we wouldn’t have to deal with a beer named “America,” that’s no better than Budweiser. There’s that.

      • cynmac

        Anheuser-Busch is also in Tampa, FL. So we would have had abominable beer regardless.

  • beavertank

    Well… he is right about one thing… when a bully apologizes for the things he’s done, his position as a bully weakens.

    He’s wrong about that being a bad thing though.

  • tehbaddr

    What Does The Salamander Say? Why does anybody even care anymore?

  • Mimihaha

    Don’t they have any new asshats in the GOP?

    • cynmac

      Newt is what passes for a “statesman”.

      • Mimihaha

        Than no wonder they’re trying to elect that guy underneath that orange mammal-like creature. They just don’t know any better. Bless their hearts.

  • georgiaburning

    “They all hate us anyhow, so let’s drop the big one now.”
    If you’re going to base foreign policy on a Randy Newman song, please pick a better one

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Brown people got no reason to live…

  • willi0000000

    President Truman did what he thought was in the best interests of the US when he bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki . . . those two acts brought about an end to the war because everybody on earth could plainly see . . . one bomb = one city . . . every time.

    had we only had one bomb or if only one was dropped or if one was a dud there would have been people in various governments (this one included) who would have been able to sell “it was a fluke” or “it’s only been done once” . . . and that kind of thinking would have kept M.A.D. from working . . . and there would likely have been a second nuclear war . . . because “i know we can get away with it.”

    that was the lesson of The First Nuclear War . . . one bomb = one city . . . every time!

    • Paul

      IIRC Fat Man and Little Boy were different designs and no matter what the Japanese did we were going to drop both bombs to test both designs.

      • willi0000000

        IIRC . . . Fat Man was a Uranium Bomb and Little Boy was a Plutonium Bomb . . . Uranium had been tested at Trinity . . . Plutonium was tested at Nagasaki but the bomb makers were just about certain about Plutonium going *BANG* as expected.

        both worked.

        one bomb = one city . . . every time!

        ETA: Truman also put on the “we can keep this up until you surrender” face even though we didn’t have a third bomb.

    • DutchS

      Little Boy was a “gun type” device, where two uranium masses are slammed together to make a critical mass. They pretty much knew that would work. Fat Man was an implosion device, where a sphere of high explosives compressed the fissile material (plutonium, in this case) to super-critical. That design was tested at Trinity Site in July.

      After Nagasaki, for a few months until new bombs could be made, was the last time the Earth was free of nuclear weapons.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    A stupid man’s idea of what a smart person sounds like…

  • chascates

    At Harvard Law Obama was a senior lecturer, a title otherwise carried only by a few federal judges. He ran and was finally elected to the Illinois State Senate. “…the faculty saw an opening and made him its best offer yet: Tenure upon
    hiring
    . A handsome salary, more than the $60,000 he was making in the
    State Senate or the $60,000 he earned teaching part time. A job for
    Michelle Obama directing the legal clinic.”
    He turned down the offer. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/politics/30law.html?_r=0)

    “A year into his first full-time teaching job, Newt Gingrich applied to be college president… The following year, Mr. Gingrich applied to be chairman of the history department. …Mr. Gingrich left the small liberal arts college in 1977 after seven years and after he was denied tenure. (http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203735304577167041714568630)

    • Poly_Ester

      I guess Newt’s case just proves how hard it is for a non-minority to get ahead these days.

    • Cindyinencinitas

      No wonder he is such a bitter pile of smegma. He hates Obama, he hates America, he hates EVERYONE.

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        It would be funny to think that all this right wing hate is nothing more than being jealous because they are so very, very inadequate when measured up to the uppity blah guy.
        heh.
        hehehehehehehehehhe

      • The Wanderer

        He shut down the government simply because he was pissed at Big Bill for making him ride in the cheap seats on Air Force One.

  • Poly_Ester

    Still the adulterous scold.

  • Jgb979

    I honestly think there’s a point where pandering and bullshit have become so parallel that it’s impossible for Repub Leaders to tell the difference between the truth and the dumbass lunacy we feed our base. I have to assume Newt Gingrich believes Obama doesn’t actually HATE America, but when your only source of information repeats this 24 hours per day maybe it’s easy to forget?

    That being said – USA USA USA (but maybe it wouldn’t hurt to apologize eventually for killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in a completely horrific manner)?

    • At the corner, turn left

      Maybe it also wouldn’t hurt if Japan would own up completely to what it did in the war. This hasn’t happened yet. When Angela Merkel visited here she made mention of the German experience of admitting guilt, atoning and receiving redemption. Prime Minister Abe nodded politely and completely ignored what she said. Fuck Abe.

  • fawkedifiknow

    The word “porcine” was created to describe Gingrich. It’s insufficient, though.

    • Scooby

      Chris Christie libelz

      • SDGeoff

        Isn’t he kind of beyond Teh Libelz at this point?

        • Scooby

          Buffet table libelz?

          • SDGeoff

            Ok, ok. Buffet table libelz!

          • Cindyinencinitas

            VEGAS buffet table!

          • SDGeoff

            Hey, I’ll settle for Viejas! buffet tables. Let’s go! Maybe we could do a Wonkette day at the casino!

          • Cindyinencinitas

            UB 40 is playing at Pala! Let’s go!

  • Callyson

    Dear Japan:

    We are sorry that Newt Gingrich is a thing.

    Sincerely Yours,

    America

    cc: rest of world

    • Peter Witting

      I’m vaguely disturbed to see Newt’s name bubble up with some frequency of late, like a recurring anal fistula.

  • SessileRaptor

    http://www.amazon.com/Downfall-End-Imperial-Japanese-Empire/dp/0141001461

    The book Downfall: The end of the Japanese Empire is an excellent look at the last 6 months of the war and the decision to drop the bomb. The author poured over enormous amounts of recently declassified material from both sides to examine as much as possible exactly what information the president had to work with when he decided. He makes a strong case that although it was an awful thing, it was better than the alternative given that (for one thing) the leadup to invasion would have entailed total destruction of the Japanese rail network and would have led to mass starvation on a horrific scale.

    It was a shitty choice to have to make and in the end it had to be made because when it emerged from isolation Japan looked around at what the various world powers were doing and went “Well OK, I guess we can either be a colony or a colonizer…” And the next 50 years became the world’s biggest example of “I learned it from watching you Dad!”

    On another note, Fuck Newt Gingrich.

  • Fartknocker

    Newt, when you are awarded a Nobel prize for Peace I’ll listen. Otherwise, you should quietly stand and watch the POTUS represent the US and shut the fuck up.

    Call Mike Huckabee and spend some quality time discussing how to run a successful campaign you blithering shitbag.

  • btwbfdimho

    Don’t give Newt a chance.

  • thewitchqueen74

    This is gonna be Obama his last day in office:

  • Spotts1701

    OT – Colorado Planned Parenthood shooter found mentally incompetent to stand trial.

    • Notreelyhelping

      Bugs crawling under my skin and up the walls and peeking in the windows and the spider hanging upside down near the ceiling won’t shut up knows my middle name libel!

    • phoenix00

      Great. The murderous wingnuts now have an excuse.

      • H0mer0

        iCarly hasn’t faced the music yet for inciting this

  • data_ninja

    From A People’s History of the United States:

    The United States Strategic Bombing Survey, set up by the War Department in 1944 to study the results of aerial attacks in the war, interviewed hundreds of Japanese civilian and military leaders after Japan surrendered, and reported just after the war:

    Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

    But could American leaders have known this in August 1945? The answer is, clearly, yes. The Japanese code had been broken, and Japan’s messages were being intercepted. It was known the Japanese had instructed their ambassador in Moscow to work on peace negotiations with the Allies. Japanese leaders had begun talking of surrender a year before this, and the Emperor himself had begun to suggest, in June 1945, that alternatives to fighting to the end be considered. On July 13, Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo wired his ambassador in Moscow: “Unconditional surrender is the only obstacle to peace.. ..” Martin Sherwin, after an exhaustive study of the relevant historical documents, concludes: “Having broken the Japanese code before the war, American Intelligence was able to-and did-relay this message to the President, but it had no effect whatever on efforts to bring the war to a conclusion.”

    The phrase “We had to do it to save people” has less of a meaning to me now after I read this part.

    • WIDTAP

      What “A People’s History of the United States” fails to point out that a negotiated end to the war with Japan would not have resulted in the release of political power by the militarist in Hirohito’s government, nor required the rewrite of the Japanese Constitution, which resulted in the Japanese military being limited to domestic self-defense. Without these changes, forced by an unconditional surrender, Japan’s industrialists would not have been forced to convert from military development to commercial development. Devoting a higher percentage of Japan resources to development led directly to Japan’s recovery and strategic ability to become a world economic power, not to mention to becoming a stabilizing influence in Asia.

      Maybe it’s easier to say it would all be better if we had just scared Hitler and Hirohito a little and then left them alone, but I expect that we would still be being bombed by Mitsubishis, rather than driving them.

    • Squirrel_t_robot

      Due to the fact the Germans after WW1 decided they never actually lost the war, then elected a bunch of fascists who had to be shown precisely how a nation loses a war, the Allies figured it was best not to lull Japan into that same trap.

      Plus: The Japanese were horrible and ruthless to its neighbors in the region. The military government needed to surrender unconditionally.

      Add to it the Soviets needed to see what the West had in the way of defensive weapons.

      Do I like the fact the USA is the only nation to use the Bomb? Nope.

      But better us than say, Stalin.

      • clubseal

        “But better us than say, Stalin.”
        Jesus Christ, that’s incredible. So if Stalin had bombed the same people in Japan, it would have somehow been worse?

      • data_ninja

        Most of my take on the subject was that it definitely had symbolism to it, beyond short term military strategies. It very much seemed to be a show of force to the world, but specifically to the Soviets. And while I really don’t like to play “What if” revisionist scenarios with history, if a driving force of using the atomic bomb was to demonstrate our military dominance, it’s likely that if they didn’t drop it on Japan that it may have been used in a later war somewhere else.

    • DutchS

      Maybe you can also read Richard B. Frank’s essay “No Bomb, No End” in “What If? 2,” where he says

      “To this day, no pre-Hiroshima document has been produced from Japan demonstrating that any one of [the ruling junta] ever contemplated a termination of the war on any terms that could, or should, have been acceptable to the United States and her allies.” They were looking for an out, but one that would leave the ruling military junta and its control intact.

      Frank goes on to show that the U.S. military was fast becoming convinced that invasion was not feasible, and that the alternative was severing Japan’s vulnerable rail network, resulting in mass starvation. “The surviving Japanese people would have languished in poverty and bitterness for decades.”

      Note that SessileRaptor, below, cites Frank’s much more detailed book about the end of the Japanese Empire. It’s called “Downfall,” but presumably lacks any rant scenes amenable to YouTube parodies.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Please, lets avoid using facts in this conversation.

  • TheBidenator

    The real question Newt is asking, was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? HELL NO!

  • TheBidenator

    Of course that’s bullshit- the Japanese were ready to surrender so long as the US did not remove the emperor from power with Tojo ready to take the fall. The US refused, nuked them to scare the USSR and then turned around and allowed Japan to surrender whilst keeping Hirohito on his throne anyway then tried, convicted and hanged Tojo. That’s really how the war in the Pacific ended….Newt has his giant head up his bulbous ass yet again.

    • WIDTAP

      Kinda wonder then why Truman bothered to tell Stalin that we had the bomb at Yalta. Guess the documentation that Truman wanted to scare Uncle Joe more than he wanted an unconditional surrender from Japan got lost somewhere, eh?

      • Jen_Baker_VA

        By the time WWII ended, the Americans were more afraid of the Red Army than nazis or Japan. After all, the reds did pretty much do the entire eastern front on their onsies, and had millions of people that Stalin could (and would) sacrifice in the short run to take the long game.

        • WIDTAP

          You are kind of compressing time there Jen. The notion that we used the bomb to intimidate the Soviets wasn’t suggest until 1965 by Gar Alperovitz. Accounts contemporary to the end of the war cite the Soviets as our friends, because their entry into the Japanese theater of war with the end of the Neutrality Act was seen as convincing the Japanese that the Soviet would be no help to negotiate a settlement.

          • TheBidenator

            The Soviets were frenemies, not friends. I am aware of Truman telling the Soviets we had something powerful at Yalta but there’s one thing to say we have it and there’s another to use it. But whatever, yes we braided each others hair until the Iron Curtain fell and we’d realized OMG, WE’VE BEEN HAD! When the Soviet Union unfriended us. Sure why not, let’s go with that story….it’s complete and utter bullshit because the facts suggest the US was allied with the Soviets as convenience to defeat Hitler but neither country trusted each other.

          • WIDTAP

            Still waiting for you docs, B. The reductio ad absurdum is fun and all, but you don’t get your grade until you turn in your homework.

          • Jen_Baker_VA

            Not sure if your definition of friend and mine would ever come close to aligning….
            You are aware of all the very secret hush hush (it was not so secret) scheming that FDR planned for Mother Russia the second we were done with those nazis, right?

          • WIDTAP

            Ok, show your work. Regardless of what FDR schemed, it was Truman that had the bomb and made the decision to drop it. Show us the document where Truman said he wanted to put the fear of God and General MacAurther into the Bear through Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

        • Be Gin

          Wing nuts cannot wrap their heads around words like “Stalingrad” and “Kursk” where nary a single American showed their face while Hell On Earth played out. A Hell that finally broke the Nazis back.

          And yet here we are with a presidential nominee who cribs his whole game plan from Mein Kampf.

          Irony? Cosmic lunacy?

          • cat cafe

            I know, and the Russians lost 20 million men in WW2, not to mention tying up the panzers on the eastern front, which was pretty much the only reason we managed to break through on D-day (and even then it was pretty dicey going for a while). Credit where credit is due.

      • TheBidenator

        What? You do know that in the waning days of World War I the United States, the British and the French blockaded Archangel, right? You also know about the red scare of the 1930’s with the formation of the Dies Committee which later became HUAC. I mean there’s having your head up your ass on a subject and then there’s having it crammed so far up there you can’t pull it out. The USA and the USSR did not trust each other from day 1. The fact that the US was helping the USSR at all had to do with defeating Hitler.

        • WIDTAP

          Funny then that we, Iceland and England where shipping convoys of supplies into Archangel from 1941 until May 1945 – well after the battle of Stalingrad in 1943 and the retreat of the German army from the Soviet Union, isn’t it?

          Or maybe we really did want the Soviet Union to enter the war in the Japanese theater, as they did on August 5, 1945.

          But tell you what. You show me contemporary documentation where Truman, Oppenheimer, General Groves, Secretary Stimson or anyone else who counted said at the time that we were using the bomb to scare the Ruskies. Go ahead. I promise that I am not hiding that documentation up my ass.

          • TheBidenator

            http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/index.htm

            Document 7- Assistant Secretary of War John J. McCloy, he estimated that possession of the bomb gave Washington a tremendous advantage—”held all the cards,” a “royal straight flush”– in dealing with Moscow on post-war problems: “They can’t get along without our help and industries and we have coming into action a weapon which will be unique.”

          • WIDTAP

            That we HAD the bomb, yes. Like I said, Truman use that little tidbit at Yalta. That we used it on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to immediate the USSR – which is the part of your original assertion that I have been harping on – no, we had far more immediate goals with the Japanese and we had every reason to bring the USSR on our side of the war to break the neutrality act and get a non-negotiated surrender.

            Even Oppenheimer suggested that we could get the intimidation factor by just inviting the appropriate diplomats to Trinity.

          • doktorzoom

            You know, guys, it’s OK to say there were multiple motivations for dropping the Bomb…John Dower’s Cultures of War: Pearl Harbor / Hiroshima / 9-11 / Iraq makes a pretty strong case that the military leaders of Japan were willing to accept huge civilian losses in an invasion; Dower’s no hawk, but he also concluded that showing the USSR what our new weapon could do was a second motive for its use.

          • At the corner, turn left

            Yes indeed. Add that to the list I mentioned above. Dower is an actual historian, presenting the facts as he has found them and an excellent writer as well. Eminently readable.

          • WIDTAP

            Oh don’t spoil our fun.

            http://youtu.be/DkQhK8O9Jik

          • TheBidenator

            One more logical question for you, if the Soviet Union was not intimidated by the use of the bomb in Japan why did they immediately work to steal the secrets to the bomb and stole the very design of the plane which dropped it?

          • WIDTAP

            I didn’t object to the notion that everyone was intimidated. I objected to your assertion above that we use the bomb for the purpose of intimidating the USSR. We used the bomb to kill lots of Japanese, and that, for the effect of forcing a non-negotiated end of the war. That everyone else lost their shit was just a bonus.

          • TheBidenator

            I disagree…I think that killing the Japanese was a proof of method which is why they hit a civilian site because even though firebombs were actually more effective they weren’t as sweepingly awesome. Therefore yes, using the bomb on Japan was designed to kill a metric fuckton of Japanese but they were already beaten and ancillary- the US was looking forward. I mean look what we attempted to do to Japan in the post-war settlement, turn them into a backwater nation utterly dependent on the US.

            That’s not exactly what you do to a country you consider to be such an enemy that you’d drop your trump card on them is my point.

          • WIDTAP

            Well, Nagasaki and Hiroshima were sites for >some< military industrial plants. But the purpose of the using the bomb is the same purpose as firebombing Dresden or Tokyo. It's the biggest possible "fuck you, and god dammit I am going to keep on fucking you" to the enemy.

          • TheBidenator

            They dropped them on the city centers, not the weapons sites- the whole thing has stunk for decades. The US has claimed for decades that we did that to avoid a horribly taxing invasion of Kyushu which neither the amount of forces involved or the state of the Japanese bares out. The Japanese government was in chaos and was essentially run by a very small group of generals at that point- we could have waited them out and they would have crumbled on their own. No, we dropped the bomb to send a message to the entire world that we have this weapon and we’re not to be fucked with….to set up the post war world order.
            We just claim the other story to make it far less obvious that Truman committed two horrendous war crimes using those nukes. Anyway, good discussion, thank you.

          • Juan de Fuca

            Truman committed two horrendous war crimes using those nukes.

            I understand that it’s easy playing revisionist history when we weren’t the ones engaged in it but the battle of Okinawa alone killed around the same amount of people than both atomic attacks did, IIRC. Just that one battle alone. It was a horrendous war in general and one that we didn’t begin, so before we start claiming Truman is a war criminal for making a complex decision during that horrible period, perhaps we should put the decision in its proper context?

            Just my $0.02.

            Also, slightly O/T – I had the honor to escort one of the surviving Japanese American members of the 442nd to a military event on Oahu back in the 90’s. He told us about how it felt to be living on Oahu during the PH attack and how he joined the Army and later, the OSS out of anger towards his parent’s home country, country of birth, whatever. Believe he was captured in Burma or somewhere for a short time and was rescued, TL/DR. Interesting dude though.

            It was a horrible war all around. War criminal/made the right decisions – I lose zero sleeps over it but have lost a few over Iraq because the people who made that decision are still in office.

          • At the corner, turn left

            The composition of Japanese cities was and is very different from those in the US and Europe. There are small factories scattered throughout the residential areas making munitions and parts for the larger ones. The term ‘targeting only industrial areas’ had a wholly different meaning in Japan.

            I get the impression you haven’t done a whole lot of reading on the Pacific war. The Japanese government was run not only by a cadre of generals and admirals, it was supported by a large group of fanatical younger officers who believed the war must continue and at any and all costs. Also the military-run school system had for years been inculcating fear and hatred for the Americans and that everyone should be ready and willing to die for the Emperor and avoid the shame of surrender. If you don’t understand the Japanese psyche, you can’t understand that the people were ready to do this. Add to this the mountainous terrain of Kyushu and Honshu that would have been the battleground and the fact the Japanese were industrious diggers and delvers – think of Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima – , and you get a scenario that would make the Battle of Okinawa look like a schoolyard spat.

            Yes, there were other considerations in dropping the bomb, but war weariness was a strong one. From one standpoint it was a horrendous event. From another let us not forget that since then not another has been used in anger despite all the saber rattling during the Cold War.

            Please do some deeper delving into the conflict before making unsubstantiated claims.

          • TheBidenator

            I’m sorry I’m missing the point in this over the scolding- of course I know the Japanese view of outsiders and the West. One could argue the genesis is the failed Mongolian invasions of Japan but it was definitely a feature of Hideyoshi Toyotomi’s dynasty. I also understand the Japanese military school, the divinity of the emperor and the Shinto religion.
            Say do you know who ELSE had a fanatical group of loyalists propping them up in the last days? The Nazis. I understand your points about the Japanese being dug in but the US didn’t need to gain a total victory by invading the mainland, either. In fact, World War II if anything demonstrated the utter tragedy of the concepts of ‘total war’ and ‘total victory’ in a way even WWI couldn’t match. Also, my claim is not unsubstantiated about the US using the bomb to intimidate the USSR- I produced evidence of this furthermore no one uses nuclear weapons because they are a crime against humanity and can cause a MAD scenario. Also, don’t patronize me or use pedantic language- I was writing very casually not writing a fucking thesis.

          • At the corner, turn left

            Well, excuse me for writing seriously about a serious subject.

            You really can’t compare the European and Pacific wars. Yes there was fanaticism on both sides, but whereas the Nazis were centered around Hitler, in Japan it was a constantly shifting cast of characters, with a lot of bickering between the army and navy. German soldiers would surrender, Japanese, for the most part, wouldn’t. The mindsets of the German and Japanese populaces were completely different.

            I don’t dispute that part of the reason to use the bomb was to impress our ‘ally’, the Soviet Union, but while one group in Japan was desperately trying to sue for an end to the conflict, another group was just as desperately trying to thwart the peace group in order to continue it. You also can’t dismiss war weariness on the US side. As far as the military was concerned, they now had a bigger, better weapon that could hopefully shorten a vicious, costly war. Very few people had any conception of exactly what kind of weapon it was.

            It’s easy to talk in hindsight about the horrid consequences of total war and unconditional surrender, but we weren’t there. It started in cruelty and ended in cruelty. Such is the nature of war. Whatever your opinions on its use, it happened and then it never happened again. Can’t we be thankful for that?

  • Zhu Bajie

    Gingrich has been lying low for years. Why is he getting in the media now? Hoping for something from Pres. Trump?

    • Squirrel_t_robot

      Newt wants some of that sweet, sweet Trump love muscle he’s heard about.

      • Jukesgrrl

        Ewwww.

      • phoenix00

        He’ll need to get in line behind Christie and Ryan

    • Poly_Ester

      or a new, younger wife?

      • Pickwicknext

        The plastic hasn’t worn off the current one yet

        • Jukesgrrl

          I saw her at the Correspondent’s dinner and her hair hasn’t moved a millimeter in the past three years. How does she DO THAT? Even if it was a wig the hairs would move.

          • Suse

            Probably has nests of spiders in there.

        • Be Gin

          Calista? hell he’s been banging that since before he tried to impeach the President for a knob job.

          She must be MADE out of plastic to last this long.

    • At the corner, turn left

      But he’s been lying all his life.

  • Squirrel_t_robot

    Newt Gingrich has always been Bad For America™, really.

  • MrBlobfish

    What’s this like Obama’s tenth apology tour already?

    • Squirrel_t_robot

      According to the wingers, it’s his eleventy billionth one.

    • Hey, if the Stones can keep touring…

  • Angela Ruzzo

    It’s funny how the number of people killed at Hiroshima keeps changing over the decades. I have an old 1958 encyclopedia that says 140,000 were killed. It says another 75,000 died in Nagasaki, for a total of 215,000.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      I think as time goes on, they include those who died of complications from getting atomic bombed. That number there sounds about right for the initial death by being incinerated/shortly after from 100000000 degree burns, but then the ones who died of radiation poisoning and cancer took a little longer.

  • Jukesgrrl

    President Obama could say, “Folks of Japan, I love sushi,” and some Republicans would call that a “mindless anti-American apology.” There has always been a huge gulf between what he says and what they hear and it isn’t closing up between now and January.

    • DemmeFatale

      How great is “I don’t give a fuck” Obama?

      • malsperanza

        I now realize he’s spent the last 6 years compiling a To Do list of things no president has dared to deal with, starting with denaming Mt. McKinley. Just a ton of little things that need tidying up.

        Now if he could start mass-pardoning a few thousand people serving long sentences for bad convictions, that would be great.

        I’m not expecting Guantanamo. The Congress has really made it impossible for him to close it. We have to get the Senate back first, and then try again.

  • URQ196

    What newt has to say matters to me like what Rudy Giuliani has to say, yes a negative number. Say hi to Callista!

    • Suse

      She looks disturbingly like Chicken Lady from “Kids in the Hall”

      • Blank Ron

        But without the gravitas.

    • Suse

      Chicken Lady

    • Land Shark

      Those one piece Nylon wigs are sure purty!

    • At the corner, turn left

      Another one that looks like early Disney animatronics.

    • The Wanderer

      AHHHH! Dear God in heaven.

    • Marion in Savannah

      Did Teh Donald take lessons in hair management from her?

  • Suse

    I say that once your gubmint gig is over, you must STFU (unless you are one of those politicians we like).

  • bluicebank

    Didn’t Newt get orphaned in “Aliens,” and then got dead before the little tyke could enter years of counseling for horrible things? The little girl who was doing just fine until the Marines showed up?

  • SnarkOff

    Newt Gingrich? Is he even still a thing?

    • Suse

      A 400-year-old disembodied head hypnotizes a female psychic, who recovered it using a dowsing rod, to search for the rest of its body.

      • Cindyinencinitas

        Well aren’t we helpful?

        • Suse

          Why, whatever do you mean? Someone asked if Newtie was still a thing and that was my response.

          • Cindyinencinitas

            I was talking about the psychic helping the head find his body.

          • Suse

            Oh, that!

      • The Wanderer

        No, Newton is the star of the movie inspired by an SNL skit with John Belushi.
        The Thing That Wouldn’t Leave!

    • TheBidenator

      More or less he’s the Brain from Pinky and the Brain only no one has permanently cancelled him yet….

    • Be Gin

      Only at the learning annex of Puke Community College teaching remedial history to redneck baptists.

  • obadiahorthodox

    yahoo

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      GOOGLE

      • Suse

        Bing!

        • phoenix00

          Altavista!

          • Suse

            Ask Jeeves!

          • cat cafe

            AOL!

          • Barley_Brains

            Compuserve.

        • theblackdog

          Lycos!

      • mailman27

        We’ll meet again,
        Don’t know where, don’t know when…

  • obadiahorthodox
    • Duke

      Thanks… The B-52 is still awesome.

  • DemmeFatale

    “Newt gives amphibians a bad name”
    —bumper sticker I saw back in the day

  • Be Gin

    Newt bay door…negative function.

    We have negative function on the Newt bay doors.

  • beatbort

    Septic field opens up a crack, Newt Gingrich crawls out, makes statement to some wingnut on the radio TV tubes, then crawls back into the septic field and the earth covers him again.

  • beatbort

    Here’s something to ponder: Newt’s first wife was his high school teacher. My guess is that they were playing war games and Newt went “A Bridge Too Far.”
    What’s your guess?

    • phoenix00

      Mary-Kay LeTourneau?

    • OrdinaryJoe

      This is clearly why we need to ban teachers from the skuulz.

  • Gleem-McShinez

    You know what happens the minute you show some human compassion? Especially for something monstrously tragic that was done in an era before you were even born, in almost and entirely different world ?

    A wingnut’s little angry pants-peanut falls off.

    It’s no joke, people! You wouldn’t want Callista’s sole source of jewelry income to just roll away out a trouser-leg and vanish under a chair in a green room somewhere! Would you?? You libtarts are supposed to be empathetic!

    • malsperanza

      You know what happens the minute you show some human compassion?
      Especially for something monstrously tragic that was done in an era
      before you were even born, in almost an entirely different world ?

      Ooh, I know I know: The terrorists win!

  • OrdinaryJoe

    This post makes my nuclear triad itch.

  • RastaBob

    How dare you question “the smartest man in the room” – Ha!!

    • Me not sure

      If Newt is the smartest man in the room, DO NOT go into that room!

      • At the corner, turn left

        It’s probably the bathroom, so don’t worry.

    • He’s the smartest man in the room about 20% of the time that he’s alone.

    • The Wanderer

      The smartest man in the room IF the rest of the occupants are howler monkeys.

  • Roadstergal

    “I think he’s gonna tell us we should all be against nuclear weapons, which I think we should certainly be against the use of nuclear weapons, but I don’t know that the world becomes safer.”

    English, motherfucker…

  • clubseal

    What’s next, he’ll apologize for all the people he’s ordered murdered by drones (and the collateral damage to people around them)? Ha ha, just kidding. Our war crimes have a much longer shelf life than that.

  • Duke

    Trump-Gingrich 2016!

    It’s so beautiful

    • Me not sure

      To Moonlandia and Beyond!

    • freakishlystrong

      And so…Aryan..

  • Paperless Tiger

    The nukes they use now are relatively ‘clean’ and ‘small’, so they can be used in stealth mode. Even so, radiation has been detected in craters in Iraq, Libya, and Lebanon. We may actually be having a thermonuclear war now.

    • [Citation needed]

      • Don’t bother. P. Tiger is the guy who believes in Fomenko’s “New Chronology” of history, where the Roman Empire never existed, Russians and Turks invented everything and Christianity predates Judaism. No wonder he’s also a shill for the Assad regime (and probably thinks Qadhafi was a cool bastard too, as Assadists often do).

    • SayItWithWookies

      Radioactivity in recent places where wars have taken place is due to depleted uranium bullets and small shells. These are used to pierce tank armor but are also preferred because the DU coating becomes a ferociously hot gas after it penetrates a surface and incinerates anything inside.

      These aren’t nukes in the sense that they have a fission or fusion reaction — but they leave behind lots of radioactive waste regardless. A dirty bomb would be a more apt comparison.

      • Enfant Terrible

        It is thought that DU is behind the increase in birth defects in Iraq, particularly around Fallujah.

        • Blank Ron

          Another reason to say, Thanks, W!

  • nightmoth

    Hey, New Pope! Newt is newly Catholic—does this crap warrant excommunication?

  • Toomush_Infer

    So Newt is Newt’s choice for Trump V.P.?….I apologize (am I bowing deeply enough? Hey! Stop that!…)

  • dancer80

    Truman may have partly based his decision to drop the bomb on Japan due to his well-known racism against Asians. He was noted to be giddy and excited the day after the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima as descriptions of the mass destruction was given to him by staff. This was a man who said of the bomb as “the greatest thing in history”.

    Contrast this with Gen. Eisenhower, a more decent man and one with actual military background, who said “”I had been conscious of depression and so I voiced to (Sec. Of War Stimson) my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at this very moment, seeking a way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face.’ “Japan was at the moment seeking some way to surrender with minimum loss of ‘face’. It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”

    Even an alarming number of military officials at that time disagreed with Truman’s decision.

    http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/2010/atomicdec.htm

    • MoreHairyThanJesus

      To be fair, Truman had significant military experience, and if I had been alive in 1945 I would have no great love for Japan.

      • dancer80

        So having no love for Japan was a pass to kill innocent civilians by way of premeditation?

        Was there a strategic reason to bomb Hiroshima city center where civilian population was concentrated as opposed to military targets? Recent years have opened up files that show the true purpose of dropping the bomb was to kill Japanese people in numbers that defy previous imaginations of what weapons could accomplish. This information has been free for historians and the public to see for years.

        Hiroshima was also partly chosen for its place in Japanese people’s heart, so that the magnitude could be felt in more ways than one. At first Kyoto was chosen exactly for this reason, but Kyoto was taken off the list because Henry Stimson had visited Kyoto on his honeymoon. Kyoto was the top target due to its cultural significance and the 1 million+ population. Instead in its place, Nagasaki was put on the list along with Hiroshima, both were not big military targets. Nagasaki had the bad luck of not being Kyoto, simply put. Nagasaki also had the largest Christian population in Japan then and now, the bomb pretty much destroyed the Christian community in Japan.

        • MoreHairyThanJesus

          Nothing I said in any way indicates an approval for the bombings.

          • roberteye

            Not to quibble, but Truman had no significant military experience, except as a dough boy in WWI. The bombing of Japan was to deter the USSR more than to prevent an invasion and win the war (that’s the propaganda). Russia was closing in on Japan, the Curtis LeMay/Robert McNamara firebombings destroyed far more than the atomic bombs. One A-bomb (much less TWO) was not necessary for the victory. The US was pivoting to a power struggle with the Soviet Union. See Oliver North’s “Untold History of America” documentary. Rather chilling some of the sociopathic moves that the American government has made over the decades. And of course it continues. True, regardless it’s hard to judge 70 years later. WWII was unquestionably an existential threat. Withal, the emperor of Japan made an unprecedented radio broadcast to the Japanese people, saying “let’s end this.”

          • MoreHairyThanJesus

            Stupid and wrong about Truman’s military experience. Unless you think he had to be frigging Eisenhower in order for his experience to be “significant.”. Calling him a ” doughboy” is simply moronic.

          • Lynn A Myers

            Now be nice.

          • At the corner, turn left

            It’s strange that we don’t hear much about the destruction of Germany from the air. German civilian deaths from the allied bombing campaign are put at between 300,000 and 500,000. Estimates of Japanese civilian deaths from American bombing range from, again, from 300,000 to 500,000, exact numbers being impossible. Does the fact that the Germans died only by conventional bombing make it any less horrifying? Let us also not forget that Germany surrendered before the atom bombs were ready. So don’t let anyone pull that, “Well, we only a-bombed the yellow Japanese and not the white Germans.” crap.

            For the Germans it was Totaler Krieg, total war and Lebensraum, living room. For the Japanese, Tennoheika, banzai!, ten thousand years for the Emperor, and the Greater East Asian Co-prosperity Sphere. Both overestimated their capacities to prosecute such a war and severely underestimated the capacity of their enemies to fight. They sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind. It’s effect 70 years on resonate to this day.

          • Playonwords

            Ever read “Slaughterhouse 5”?

          • At the corner, turn left

            Well, of course, but it’s been quite a few years since I did.

          • Msgr_Moment

            If the Brits hadn’t firebombed Dresden I would never have seen Valerie Perrine’s breasts, so there’s that.

        • CATMAN

          Both cities were also chosen because they hadn’t been subject to much previous bombing so they could more accurately assess the destructive power of the bombs

        • At the corner, turn left

          The problem is so simple in your mind.

          Do you know or are you just conveniently forgetting the fact that the Chinese and Koreans have legitimate reasons for harboring resentment towards Japan. Millions of innocent civilians died by way of Japanese premeditation. The fanatical, brutal military government that ruled Japan from the 1930s to the end of the war cared not a whit for foreign lives nor the lives of their own citizens. They were prepared and preparing to fight to the last man, woman and child should the country be invaded. Had we invaded, the loss of life on both sides would have dwarfed those lost in the atomic bombings. Even after the first bomb, the military leaders were stubbornly ready to fight on and only after the second did the Emperor finally stand up and say, “Enough. It’s over.” Even then, there was an attempted coup by military hotheads to prevent the Emperor’s message of surrender to the Japanese people from getting out to the people so that they could continue the conflict.

          The Pacific war was an entirely different beast from the European war. Yes, there was a racist quality to it, but it came from both sides. I suggest your read Japan’s War: The Great Pacific Conflict by Edwin P. Hoyt and
          the works of John W. Dower, specifically War Without Mercy: Race and Power in the Pacific War, Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II and Ways of Forgetting, Ways of Remembering: Japan in the Modern World.

          My dad fought on Okinawa, which is how I got interested in the Pacific war and Japan. Not only have I done considerable study on my own but I have lived here in Japan for the past 31 years. I love my Japanese wife, value my Japanese friends and have great fondness for this fascinating country and its culture, except Hello, Kitty. I do not, however, let that blind me to its history nor the undercurrent of right wing militarism that is rising under the current Abe government, particularly in his wanting to change the war-renouncing Article 9 in the Japanese Constitution, albeit with increasing pushback from the citizens.

          There was nothing simple about the Pacific war, so please stop trying to simplify it.

  • proudgrampa

    Fuck that guy.

  • mancityfooty .

    Did Palin write Newt’s speech?

    • Left Coast Tom

      During the 1990s Gingrich held a number of “how to wingnut” classes, Palin was a “student”.

  • mailman27

    Why the fuck is Gingrich still making news? “The stupid person’s idea of what a smart person sounds like,” as someone smarter than me once said. Is he maybe surfacing in the hope of a Trump job offer? What a pasty, doughy scumbag. Beneath contempt.

  • SK

    Gingrich is the same asshole who spewed this:

    I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they’re my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists

    He just does not know what words mean. He should go back to seeing if he can cheat on Callista

    • Playonwords

      Doesn’t little Newtie realise that Islamic extremists hate atheists more than they hate Christians?

      • nmmagyar

        Prolly not (or he’s counting on his listeners not to). Anyone not a Christian has Luntzianly become an atheist. They have stopped believing in anything that isn’t binary.

    • malsperanza

      Born Lutheran, switched to Southern Baptist, then to Catholic. Give him a couple more years and he’ll try radical Islam.

  • MoreHairyThanJesus

    If Newt Gingrich’s neck was 3 inches longer he would have been able to blow himself and he would have never run for office.

  • SayItWithWookies

    There are definitely things to criticize about President Obama’s foreign policy — we could have handled Syria, Libya, Egypt and Iraq differently. And yet, these were all difficult problems without ideal solutions — with ISIS, for instance, we avoided intervention until the Kurds (who had managed to make a prosperous and peaceful niche in their corner of Iraq) were invaded. Intervention has been problematic, but if we’d not done so, there would’ve undoubtedly been genocide.

    It’s totally unlike a situation where we just sort of made up an argument about a certain head of state building yellowcake and centrifuges and went in for what anyone with any sense at the time knew was a bullshit reason.

    So Newt and his asshole neocon friends criticize our president for taking gambles on situations that need to be dealt with — yet give Dubya a pass when he started a crisis for no reason at all. Fuckin’ Newt has no idea what makes us look weak.

  • guppy06

    many revenge-minded American teenagers still think Japan needs to be
    nuked and drowned and earthquaked and Godzilla’d a few hundred more
    times before we can really get even for Pearl Harbor.

    For a while I was of the opinion that, not so much Pearl Harbor, but that Japanese pop culture was an argument that either Japan had been nuked too much or not nuked enough (see attached).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g

    But then I remembered that Korea has no such excuse.

    • phoenix00
      • guppy06

        I’m thinking whichever producer/slave-driver let one of ’em get away without having to wear a skirt didn’t have a job for much longer.

      • The Wanderer

        Japan revenged itself on us by giving us Hello Kitty.

        • Marion in Savannah

          Really — the World Court needs to look into that.

  • dshwa

    I’ve been to the site and the museum. Every politician in the world should be required to attend before taking a national office. Especially any nuclear power.

  • WhyFelicia

    So glad Newt finally weighed in.

    • Marion in Savannah

      I’m sure that it’s good news for John McCain.

  • Iron Monkey

    Gingrich told the “Breitbart News Today”

    A disgusting combination. I salute Doktor Zoom for typing those words. It must have hurt his brain.

  • CATMAN

    Maybe Obama will apologize that our political system allows a despicable POS like Newt to be comment on foreign policy

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  • freakishlystrong

    So now our fucking wingnuts have pre meltdowns, even before Obama can do or say anything, they come out and have a tantrum over what they’ve invented he will do or say.

    • eddi

      Pavlov wrote some stuff about conditioned reflexes.

    • Marion in Savannah

      Well, it makes sense to plan your breakdown in advance. That way you can stroke your chin and mouth platitudes. Having the breakdown contemporaneous with the cause tends to create spittle…

    • ltmcdies

      didn’t those meltdowns start that first wednesday, November 2008….

  • Playonwords

    I once knew a man who was prejudiced against the Japanese to the extent he would not even own Japanese sourced electronics or cars. But at least he had a good reason, he was captured in Singapore and spent years in Japanese death camps

    • WIDTAP

      Some war wounds don’t heal easily, if at all.

    • bubbuhh

      I once knew a second generation Japanese-American who was put in an internment camp in the spring of 1942, along with all of his relatives and more than 150,000 people of Japanese descent, roughly two thirds of whom were American citizens born on the soil of the USA. They stayed in those camps for the entire war. They lost everything, of course. The western states from which all citizens of Japanese ancestry were excluded were delighted to confiscate the businesses and property of those people and auction the windfall off to other American citizens for a pennies on the dollar, including, of course, German-Americans and Italian-Americans, none of whom were imprisoned unless they were actually convicted of a crime.

      The guy I knew never mentioned boycotting the products made by his fellow Americans. He and his family managed to rebuild their businesses without any help from the states or other levels of government which treated them so shabbily; and in the teeth of incredible bigotry for a generation.

      It was 40 years or so before President Carter authorized an investigation into the purpose and results of the internment. In 1988, President Reagan officially apologized to those American citizens for their unjust incarceration and shameful treatment during World War II. Reagan signed a law making the apology official. Aside from authorizing financial reparations, the legislation stated that virtually every government action at every level was based on “race
      prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership,” not to mention greed.

      • Playonwords

        The internment was unjustified, immoral and hateful; but comparing them to the death camps in Malaya and Indo-China is, frankly, sick.

        The militaristic mindset that lead to those machines of torture and massacre was, even in my atheist opinion, evil.

        Piss – off

        • kareemachan

          Well, ain’t that a cogent remark to make. You don’t like what he said? Just tell him to piss off.

          Kinda negates your whole argument when you end with sentiments like that.

          Also, you can’t believe in evil if you’re an atheist? Who knew….

          • Playonwords

            Equating the internment with the death camps is unacceptable, full stop.

            Oh, and the concept of evil is largely religious, it has no meaningful definition.

          • bubbuhh

            Sure. The Nips was lyin’ evil bastids not 75 years out their version of the Middle Ages who treated their enemies horribly and never ratified the 1929 Geneva Accords which the USA did. That meant it was okay for the USA to destroy the lives of about 125,000 US citizens, most of whom were American born children and none of whom ever committed a criminal act ‘cuz that’s what the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave does in these situations. Ask any Indian. In fact, ask any insurance actuary. The USA’s guest Campers suffered from exposure and malnutrition, not to mention the fun and games of their fellow citizen jailers. Among other things, as a group, guests of the USA’s camps were eight times more like to die of a heart attack than the national average during the following thirty years.

            You’re right. it’s not the same. The Japanese treated their enemies badly just the way feudal societies around the world have always done. The USA punished its own citizens for no good reason at all, destroying their families, stealing their livelihoods and shortening their lives. As far as I’m concerned the USA did far worse than Japanese.

            Not to mention the firebombings and the second nuke.

          • Playonwords

            I was talking specifically about the death camps and a person comparing them to the US internment camps.

            I did not blame “the nips” I blames a militaristic culture, a thing that is not exclusive to the Japanese.

            The US and the allies did terrible things but I did not say that the actions of the Japanese excused those actions.

            Here are some images of prisoners of war held by the Japanese Military – now fucking well tell me how close the comparison with the US internment camps.
            http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03109/Chalker1_3109200c.jpg
            http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PVD76JeJE3s/TybtpZGm77I/AAAAAAAAHRE/FZyWEY6a2WU/s1600/railway%2Bprisoners.jpg
            http://hellfire-pass.commemoration.gov.au/australian-prisoners-in-the-asia-pacific/images/large/AWM_P02569_192-L.jpg

          • bubbuhh

            A lot closer than you want to believe. As I said, Japanese-Americans left their camps suffering from exposure, malnourished, emotionally broken and with the same diminished life expectancy. Not to mention they were still mostly children when they were set free.

            Sorry if you don’t want to hear that.

            BY the way, President Roosevelt called the USA kinder, gentler version Concentration Camps.

          • Jet Maier

            and they were interned by their own country, not the enemy. That makes a huge [yooge] psychological difference.

          • Playonwords

            So, what was the death rate in the US internment camps? Was it 20% over 3-4 years? I don’t think so. How many Japanese internees were thrashed to death or beheaded or put into solar ovens as punishment? How many were denied medical treatment? Did 50-60% of Japanese internees who survived have permanent debility because of the treatment they received? How many Japanese American women were raped by their guards as happened to the female prisoners of the Japanese military.

            Yes, the term “Concentration Camp” was used because at that that was the term for internment camps. At that time the phrase did not have the negative connotations it later gained which is why the German apologists used the term it, disguised the true purpose of their camps. It is this change in language that allows it to be said that the British invented Concentration Camps during the Boer War.

            I’m sorry if you don’t want to hear how, in some things, the USA was better than it’s enemies,.

        • bubbuhh

          The article about pissing is elsewhere on Wonkette.

          It’s a funny thing; but, the residents of the USA’s kinder gentler camps suffered all the signs of malnutrition and exposure that the Japanese Death Campers did. If the CHILDREN the USA sent to camp, and most of them were, didn’t die immediately from the kinder, gentler rapes and torture they were subjected to, I think the fact that most of them left those camps with nothing but the clothes on their backs to sink or swim they as would and with a much reduced life expectancy kind of balances the scales of evil.

          Despite what people seem to think, the Japan of the 1930s was still a feudal society. It was just 75 years or so away in time from the US military mission which forced it to open the borders it had closed 200 years earlier. Japan never ratified the 1929 Geneva Accords unlike the USA. The militarists who came to dominate its government weren’t a whole lot different from, say, the neo-cons who recently dominated ours. Like our neo-cons, they did not believe in “human rights.” Like our neo-cons; they believed in might makes right, propaganda, and manifest destiny. Japan’s cultural base at the time was similar to that of Europe in the 1300s with the exception that the Japanese still thought their titular ruler was an actual god, an idea Europeans left behind with the fall of the Roman Empire (although not as far behind as many would think).

          Japan’s “death camps” were no worse the “camps” the USA set up for Native Americans throughout the 19th century; or, the “solutions” proposed by Prescott Bush in the 1930s for what he and his buddies saw as intractable “social” problems; or, many military prisons during the American Civil War.

          Personally, I get tired of the “we were less evil than they were” rationale for xenophobia and awful actions. That was the point of my first post. The USA wasn’t less awful. It was somewhat differently awful. Or, don’t you think that, aside from imprisoning its own children citizens for no reason at all, the firebombings of Japanese civilians and the nukes, particularly, the second one, illustrate that point?

          • Playonwords

            I repeat, was the death rate in the US internment camp 20% over 3-4 years?

            Did 50-60% of Japanese American internees suffer permanent debility because of their treatment? Things like coronary damage, kidney failure, liver failure, scarred digestive tracts, cancers, brain damage, muscular degeneration, nerve damage, chronic fungal infections of skin and oesophagus and lungs, weakened bones, spinal damage, tuberculosis, damaged sight and hearing.

            How many bore the scars from being beaten with stripped bamboo?

            How many of the women were raped by their guards?

            None of this excuses the terrible crimes committed by the Allies during WWII but comparison of US with the Japanese camps is specious.

          • bubbuhh

            And, I will repeat for the last time:

            We all know the USA’s camps were kinder and gentler. However, they were just as evil. Most of us know (not you, it seems) that Japan’s barbarity does not make the USA’s barbarity any less barbarous. Without counting the firebombing of Tokyo, the USA killed twice as many Japanese civilians at two non-military targets in two days (one day at a time) than the Japanese than all American soldiers Japan took as POWs. And, the killing of Japanese civilians went on from the results of radiation poisoning continued for more than thirty years.

            Here’s another little tidbit: 10,800 of the 50,000 American POWs in Japanese hands were killed at sea by American bombs and torpedoes. Oops.

            It’s true that the USA may at times aspire to be better than other countries. That was the idea of most of the leaders who founded the USA. That’s why the USA’s occupation of Japan ended up being such an odd and wonderful thing. That’s also why in 1988 Reagan apologized to those Americans incarcerated by their country during World War II.

          • Playonwords

            The death rate I was quoting was solely in the camps and, before they went in, these were mainly young, fit, well nourished young men. I have also refrained from pointing out that, in the minds of the Japanese High Command, the European POWs were treated well. Korean, Chinese and Philippine POWs were either just slaughtered or worked under even harder conditions.

            My point is that comparing the US internment of Japanese Americans (or the British internment of German and Italian naturalised Britons) with camps whose sole purpose was to work prisoners to death is specious, you are NOT comparing like to like. It is far from being an apples with oranges comparison, it is more like comparing apples with concrete.

            And please stop assuming that only the US was involved in the conflict.

      • theblackdog

        And the name of that Japanese American was George Takei

        …And now you know, the rest of the story.

    • nmmagyar

      Many of the folks in my Dad’s hometown (Middletown, OH), especially oldz, grumbled and bitched when a Japanese company (Kawasaki, I think) saved the only industry for miles – Armco Steel. It was amazing to hear people actually say that they’d rather have no jobs than work for “those Japs that bombed our boys in Pearl Harbor”. This was in the late 80’s/early 90’s.

      • Damian L

        Kawasaki did not ‘save’ Armco.Buy an american car.

        • nmmagyar

          Mills are open and folks still have jobs; 7,900 of them in 2015. Armco was near bankruptcy. Sounds like they saved them to me.

  • Darth Penguin

    In fairness, the US firebombing of Japan – whilst worse in terms of civilian deaths than the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki – paled in comparison to the UK firebombing of Dresden and Stuttgart.

    I think the UK gets given a ‘soft ride’ on the whole firebombing thing, because they can point to the blitz and say ‘they started it’. And Stuttgart at least had strategic reasons. But Dresden was really incomparable to anything that the US or the Germans did, mainly because all the anti-aircraft were down. The Germans (during the Blitz) and the US bombing of civillian areas were carried out because anti-aircraft and defence fighters made strategic bombing near impossible – Dresden was a straightup revenge hit, and because the British had better anti-civillian tech by the end of the war than the Germans had during the Blitz, it killed many times more civillians than either of those campaigns.

    Of course, as an Aussie I’ve got clean hands on this point. Mostly because we were still struggling to master the science of using fire for cooking at that stage of our history (I think we started cooking meat over open flame sometime around 1944, and have pretended to everyone that ‘barbeque’ is an Australian specialty ever since). Here’s to hoping that the middle east doesn’t get any worse than it currently is – if it does, then we Aussies might have to flex our military might and send our other frigate.

    • NoGoodnik

      Drones are terrible for so many reasons, not the least of which is they make fighting wars antiseptic for those using the drones. They are without consequence for the US. The same is true for other smart bombs, cruise missiles, and so many other weapons at our disposal. But, the civilian casualty rate of the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars has been near miniscule. It is still a tragedy for those involved, but we must acknowledge that the per capita death rate is way way down.

  • Playonwords

    https://youtu.be/TXfvbO-Doqw
    Milton Jones grandfather is getting on, he can’t do what he used to do – bomb Japan.

  • TeeRaak

    That’s nothing Newtie!

    Paul Ryan left the Republican cake out in the rain and Trump eated it.
    https://media1.giphy.com/media/RLp52G629VqLK/giphy.gif

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Fucks Gnus is the worst thing to happen to the US since Hitler. And I’m serious about that.

  • NoGoodnik

    This is such a shitty nefarious attack. Obama goes to Hiroshima in a magnanimous gesture, does NOT apologize for anything, and the thing that many people will remember is that he apologized for dropping the bomb on Japan. It’s worse than a lie. It’s worse than a smear. It is the epitome of dishonesty.

  • ltmcdies

    at the risk of sounding trite….Newt is still a thing??

    • kareemachan

      Well, he’s *trying* to be, anyway.

    • Damian L

      Thing is a good description.

  • Christopher Smith

    Newtie the Blowfish spouting toxic excrement yet again. Only the good die young.

  • Tony Alexander

    i wish newton searles mcpherson and kathleen daugherty were still around so they could apologize for dropping a 100 megaton asshole on america, june 17th 1943.

    • jmk

      At least they had the excuse of being too young to know what they were doing.

      • Tony Alexander

        sad but true!

  • malsperanza

    I get Newt Gingrich, Lindsey Graham, and Kelsey Grammer mixed up, but I’m pretty sure all three are jackasses and should keep their yaps shut.

  • cat cafe

    It’s always the same shit with these guys–make something up out of whole cloth and then stir up the idiots and rubes about it.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    It speaks to the genius of Stanley Kubrick that it’s almost impossible to have a discussion about nuclear war without a Dr. Strangelove reference.

  • Gregory Brown

    Dear Dok Zoom: The cold war did work. And it worked because, when the atom bomb was just a tiny babby, we dropped it on the bad Japanese in one of the most vicious, remorseless sub wars (racist and pitiless on both sides, ours and the Japanese) within World War II. Even though they were tiny babbies, the bombs scared the living crap out of everybody, and within a very few years, we had big daddy bombs that were way, way worse. I was in second grade during the Cuban Missile Crisis, when everyone thought that we were all going to die in a fiery apocalypse, and years later we discovered how truly close we had come, with the Soviet commander in Cuba authorized to launch on his own authority for several days. That is when, among other such moments, we were saved by the fear the little babby bombs instilled in us all. So, as much as I loathe the Newterator, I agree with him on that point. Other than that, he’s got shit fer brains.

  • hvdv

    ” […] to go for human history for literally 70 years without a major war is remarkable.”

    Quite apart from the awkward sentence construction (and the remarkably stoopid use of “literally”), what exactly constitutes a “major” war is certainly debatable. Not that the distinction matters much to those who only got themselves killed in minor wars.

  • Jet Maier

    Oh, crap. Newton is running for Vice President, isn’t he.

    • jmk

      Always. ALWAYS.

      It’s his interim plan, before he becomes KING OF THE MOON!!

  • Brendan_M

    Harry S Truman, not Harry S. Truman.

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