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Hillary Clinton went and put her foot in her wherever Friday afternoon, and Twitter had itself a good afternoon of its favorite emotion: aghastness. Then her social media people read her @ mentions and she realized that, in trying to say something nice on teevee about Nancy Reagan, on the day of her funeral, she’d actually said something dead wrong. As it were. After correctly pointing out that Nancy Reagan had advocated for Alzheimer’s research — particularly stem cell research* — and for the Brady Bill when the GOP orthodoxy was solidly against both, Hillary had to go and add another example, about HIV and AIDS, that could most charitably be described as “not especially close to true”:

Because of both President and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation. When before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it.

In fact, the statement would only be accurate if Clinton had specified that the national conversation they started was, “Hey, can you believe the Reagans still aren’t saying anything about AIDS?”

As we noted in our farewell to Mrs. Reagan, the first time Ronald Reagan mentioned AIDS was in 1985, by which time thousands had died. For entirely too long, the Reagan administration treated AIDS as a joke.

Predictably, the internet blew up, because the very best that could be said of Clinton’s comment was “Bless her heart, she meant well.” The worst that could be said was that rather than disgustingly peeing on Nancy Reagan’s coffin — which is Wonkette’s job — she’d instead leaked on the coffins of thousands of people who’d died of AIDS while the Reagans did more important things like buy new China. Somewhere in the middle, as Charlie Pierce, Esq. put it, it was “probably the single dumbest thing she’s ever said in public.” Clinton was at least arguably right that Nancy’s part in moving AIDS to some conscious part of Ronald Reagan’s brain was “very effective low-key advocacy,” if by “low key” you mean “entirely behind the scenes.” According to the PBS NewsHour, Nancy and Ron Jr. both pushed the president to increase funding for AIDS research, which he finally did, reluctantly and far too late.

After a short while, Clinton acknowledged that she’d blown it worse than a young Nancy Reagan in a casting director’s office, walking back the comments on Twitter:

hillz reagan tweet

At least Hillary is learnable, rather than digging in, so there’s that. But we all should probably be extremely mad forever anyway.

*Not that we are especially invested in defending the reputation of Nancy Reagan, who is still dead and well beyond being harmed by criticism, we nevertheless feel compelled to push back against what appears to be a myth. We’ve seen any number of people online claim Nancy Reagan opposed stem cell research before Ronald Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, and so no one should ever give her credit for her advocacy during the Dubya years. While it’s true the Reagan Administration froze embryonic stem cell research in 1988 — it was then resumed under Bill Clinton in 1993 — as far as we can tell, Nancy Reagan never said anything on the issue one way or the other until she began pushing for Alzheimer’s and stem cell research. In 1994, she said she was “against abortion” but “On the other hand, I believe in a woman’s choice,” so her views were, to say the least, complex. As the Baltimore Sun noted at the time, it wasn’t that surprising a statement; according to former chief of staff Donald Regan, Nancy supposedly once said, “I don’t give a damn about the Pro-Lifers,” so it strikes us as unlikely she’d have given a damn about the human rights of embryonic cells. Finally, stem cell research was largely a moot point until well after Ronald Reagan’s Alzheimer’s diagnosis in 1994; the first embryonic stem cells were isolated in 1998, according to the source of all knowledge. But if anyone has a definite citation for Nancy Reagan opposing such research, we’re open to being corrected. We like facts that way.

So, your final score: Nancy Reagan on Alzheimer’s research and the Brady Bill: Good. Nancy Reagan on AIDS: Better than her husband, which is a pretty low bar. Hillary Clinton on Nancy Reagan: Foot removed from mouth, long-term damage uncertain.

[Vox / Esquire / Esquire again / Guttmacher Institute via Twitter user “hot tidy llama / Baltimore Sun]

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  • geoffalnutt

    How ironical!! I once saw a woman (who was running to catch the #53 bus) trip on skateboard…and put her foot in her ‘whatever’. They had to call the fire dept. I stayed home from school that day.

  • Ergoetal

    See now if Ronald McDonald had gotten AIDS instead of Alzheimer’s, ole Nance might have been nicer to Rock Hudson.

  • mary5920

    Sounds like H. Clinton should have consulted her google before commenting. Or the memory bank, ’cause it was pretty common knowledge that the Reagan administration didn’t give a rip about the AIDS epidemic. Maybe Nancy did? Not certain.
    It’s hard to speak well of the dead sometimes; at least she tried.

  • A Grumpy Cat, Not Esq.

    As a queer Hillary supporter I am enjoying straight people telling me I should be ashamed and that I am a traitor to gay rights. Thanks, Obama.

  • ThePuckStopsHere

    I, for one, condemn Mrs. Clinton for not being able to find a way to work the phrase “nasty old bitch” into either the initial Tweet nor the retraction of same.

  • doktorzoom

    Hey, kids, just a reminder that Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator will be watching this thread carefully. You don’t have to be nice to Nancy, since she’s dead. But remember we do have rules, and that my job would be ever so much easier if you could be decent to each other.

    • A Grumpy Cat, Not Esq.

      I bet Nancy hated My Little Pony.

      • Dr. Krieger IRL

        Trying to start a war?

        • Brendan_M

          Nancy Reagan preferred Episodes I-III over Episodes IV-VI.

          • A Grumpy Cat, Not Esq.

            I heard she thought Jar Jar was an intelligent, erudite, thoughtful character and an excellent addition to the universe.

          • nmmagyar

            And she once confused Spock and Yoda

          • Brendan_M

            Until her death, Nancy Reagan was a passionate supporter of research into midi-chlorians.

          • Dr. Krieger IRL

            OH, IT’S ON!

          • doktorzoom

            Now that’s just bullshit, since any fool knows “Griffon the Brush-Off” is one of the best episodes of the whole series.

        • Dudleydidwrong

          I read that Nancy preferred One Corinthians to Two Corinthians. She was truly an elitist.

          • Dr. Krieger IRL

            Sequels never pan out.

          • Nounverb911

            Two Corinthians walk into Nancy’s funeral…

      • doktorzoom

        You know, that wouldn’t surprise me in the least. Her cutie mark was a ruffled bow on a red dress.

    • Jonny On Maui

      “my job would be ever so much easier if you could be decent to each other.”

      Oh Dok, you’re so sweet, but you know who we are…

    • my job would be ever so much easier if you could be decent to each other.

      Atrios tries that at Eschaton every once in a while. Just gets the natives angrier.
      ~

    • diogenez

      Good man, Dok – I will try to behave.

  • Nounverb911

    OT but well timed:
    Trump is currently in second place to Rubio’s second place in Wyoming Caucusing.

    https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/708758341061877762

  • Dr. Krieger IRL

    At least she’s admitting that she was wrong.
    That’s several orders of magnitude better than any Replutocrat in the last few generations.

    • A Grumpy Cat, Not Esq.

      Meanwhile Trump is blaming violence at his rallies on “thugs’, Bernie, the moon, socialists, Bernie, your mom, the Packers, Bernie, and the New York Times.

      • Pinkham’s Law

        You forgot Moveon.org and BLM. And Bernie.

        • Jonny On Maui

          Covered by the troll on the other thread…

        • nmmagyar

          Not ACORN? Lazy bastards

        • Dr. Krieger IRL

          Jade Helm.

          • JustDon’tSayDittos

            I hear she puts out. Anyone know if it’s true? Asking for a friend.

      • Starfish

        How lazy of him to not even trying to blame Obama!

        • Nounverb911

          Ted Cruz already did that.

          • Starfish

            Thank god someone kept thier cool.

          • Nounverb911

            ….

      • Notreelyhelping

        Fucking moon.

        • Nounverb911

          Soleil Moon Frye?

        • doktorzoom

          Who even knows how it got there?

          • Major_Major_Major

            Pretty sure it was explained in the first verse of the first chapter of the only book that really matters. You know In the beginning… Duh

    • JustDon’tSayDittos

      That’s how I decided to look at it. She could have tossed up some word salad to explain what she really meant, and made some remark about ‘context’ or something. Instead she said “oops” and is now taking her lumps. Forgotten by November, I predict.

    • Jonny On Maui

      An actual, “I’m sorry”. Not some mealy mouthed, “if you were offended…”

      She’s gone up in my mind…

    • greyXstar

      “Owning mistakes is for weak Losers! Not blaming Obama? Terrible! You won’t see Donald J Trump apologizing like some namby pamby weak – oh I’m sorry everyone I’m sorry. Get outta here! Awful. Just awful.”

      • JustDon’tSayDittos

        Too close for comfort.

        • greyXstar

          Simple sentences. Five words maximum. And repetition. Lots of classy repetition, folks.

  • Combining a few earlier thoughts on this:

    Sorry, folks. You are just gonna have to let some of us be really pissed about this for a little bit. Demanding we GROW UP BABBYS and pointing out how Hillary simply misspoke and is sooo sorry now is NOT helpful.

    We will be OK and continue love her lots, but seriously…

    I can remember as there were thousands of deaths there also were louder and louder outcries for Reagan to at least acknowledge the crisis. In my carefree twenties I watched friends and acquaintances wither and die as Reagan’s painted old man face quivered and tic’d and Nancy giggled on the teevee as they stalwartly refused to mention AIDS year after year after year…

    For Hillary Clinton to go out of her way to praise Reagan for her “AIDS Advocacy” is extremely disappointing. She should and does know better. Why not praise Miss Nancy’s taste in china and her performance in DONOVAN’S BRAIN and DON’T DO DRUGS and be done with it?

    Maybe she was referring to how the Reagan’s lack of action or anything led to the formation of groups like ACT UP did eventually benefit people with HiV/AIDS . . .

    By the way, I’ve been “pos” and boringly healthy for over twenty years and I have now officially outlived both of those assholes. :)

    “Weell, folks,we give exactly THIS MANY FUCKS about a bunch of sick faggots!”

  • Brendan_M

    You know who else was accused of being too nice to people from their opposing political parties?

    • Dr. Krieger IRL

      Martin Sheen?

    • SayItWithWookies

      James Carville?

      • Nounverb911

        That only applies to his wife….

        • BOT,K.
          ~

        • SayItWithWookies

          Hey, it takes two to — um — do that thing I am not even going to mention him and Mary Matalin doing, because I don’t want to even imagine it.

          • nmmagyar

            She doesn’t call him “Snake Eye” for nothing

      • Brendan_M

        No, that doesn’t count as nice. Having sex with James Carville is the one crime against humanity Trump would oppose.

        • nmmagyar

          Mary Matalin Libel?

    • HITLER?
      ~

      • Dudleydidwrong

        He just seemed nice.

    • Sardonicuss

      Eva Braun?

    • theCryptofishist

      Lord Palmerston?

    • Obama’s DOJ?
      ~

    • JustDon’tSayDittos

      Every House Speaker before Boehner?

    • Gleem-McShinez

      Bernie Sanders! I hear on the intarweebs that he organized that entire Trump Rally in Chicago. Doesn’t he know who that guy even is??

  • Celtic_Gnome

    To be fair, she was given a Herculean task: Not speak ill of the dead when the dead is Nancy Reagan.

    Too bad she can’t take a page from Bill Maher’s playbook. His comment on Nancy was that the Just Say No antidrug program made getting high a little more fun.

    • theCryptofishist

      She can’t admit to getting high, can she?

    • A Grumpy Cat, Not Esq.

      I just wish she had gone with something like, “Well, she loved her husband very much, and probably didn’t spit in my food when we were there for governors’ dinners at the White House.”

    • AzertyQwerty

      Wouldn’t have been that hard to say “She did some good stuff with Alzheimer’s” and leave it at that. No need to go further and praise her for something she didn’t do.

      • doktorzoom

        I think she was done in by having just the two examples, Alzheimer’s and the Brady Bill. As an experienced public speaker, she fell victim to the siren call of the Rule of Three.

        Speaking of siren calls, that’s a TV Tropes link. You have been warned.

  • I don’t really understand how any queer people can support Hillary. But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised since organizations like Human Rights Campaign have been espousing right-wing politics for decades now. Me, I’m happy just being a communist, doing union pickets, and avoiding LGBT politics altogether now. I’m HIV+, and we got thrown under the bus long before this shit.

    • theCryptofishist

      Yes, yes you did. Can I join you in a rousing chorus of “Union Maid”?

    • Dolmance

      They can and they better, because the alternative is Donald Trump.

      • Yea, every election cycle there’s a right-wing bogeyman. That doesn’t mean that bland centrism is the only alternative. Politics exist outside of the neoliberal paradigm.

        • AND: that bland centrism is what keeps those gucking repulsive GOPers in the game.

          Imagine if we had a President who actually governed for his voters, instead of pulling the slightly lesser evil crap and catering to Wall St. once he’s in office?
          ~

      • The Wanderer

        Or Rafael Cruz.

        • JustDon’tSayDittos

          or Marco Ruboi
          JK

          • The Wanderer

            (chortles) That’s as funny as the Drunk Squirrel video I just watched.

          • JustDon’tSayDittos

            Just noticed I misspelled “Rubio”. But I like it the way it is

  • Starfish

    She should have thanked her for the hugely successful War on Drugs!

    • Nounverb911

      The drug cartels thank her too, also.

      • Dr. Krieger IRL

        And the arms manufacturing industry.

      • Starfish

        I thank then every weekend … Well the good ones anyway.

    • nmmagyar

      Her appearance on Diff’rent Strokes kept me away from the devil weed. (It helped that I was 12, but still)

      • Starfish

        what you talkin bout Nancy!

      • Major_Major_Major

        I don’t remember that one, but Diff’rent Strokes did a heckuva job keeping my sister from using rainwater to wash her hair, and me from ever wanting to play Neptune in the bathtub alone or otherwise.

      • doktorzoom

        It kept me from watching Diff’rent Strokes…then again, Diff’rent Strokes was already pretty good at that.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        What kept me away from the devil weed at that time was the UCMJ and the fact that I might have to piss in a bottle once a month. Quite aside from my sense that it just wasn’t the right thing to do. College was over. Time to move on to socially acceptable intoxicants, like fast cars, loose women, and drinking responsibly.

      • Biff52

        I smoked weed when I was 12, you slacker!

        • nmmagyar

          I was so busy jacking off I’m surprised I remembered to eat.

  • RoyalUglyDude

    I can understand wanting to be nice and say something charitable, but that doesn’t mean making up shit to give Mrs. Reagan credit for.

    • Gleem-McShinez

      “I will always be thankful for Nancy Reagan for deflecting that sniper fire on the tarmac in Bosnia”

      • “When Nancy Reagan was in the Alps fighting grizzly bears…”

      • Antimassacree

        “That day I thought one of those sniper’s bullets had my name on it.”

        –Brian Williams

  • Shibusa

    That Chris Geidner/BuzzFeed story about all the times Saint Reagan’s press secretary Larry Speakes and members of the press laughed about AIDS is really horrifying. Put my stomach in knots to read it. )-:

    • JaaaaaCeeeee

      I listened and will never be able to forget, along with my reaction to Trump, the Republican party, and news media this week. .

  • SayItWithWookies

    Maybe Hillary was the unfortunate victim of a spelling error and meant to credit Nancy and her Richelieu-esque palace intrigues for getting aides Michael Deaver and Donald Regan kicked out of the administration.

    • doktorzoom

      somethinjg something Ill wind that blows no one good. And apparently she blew great.

      • OBOE LIBELZ!!!1!!1!

        (Before you laugh, ever get a good look at a oboe reed knife?)

        • eddi

          I just did.?

  • DerrickWildcat

    She was married to Ronald Reagan that was a President of America.

  • Dolmance

    Yeah, but, Jesus, does she have to sit with George and Laura Bush?

    • theCryptofishist

      Place of honor, apparently.

      Or maybe it was in Nancy’s will that all those people she hated had to sit together.

      • Dolmance

        Yeah, well, it’s a shitty visual, and doesn’t make voting for her taste any better.

        • theCryptofishist

          Yeah, I don’t have a teevee, so it’s all a lot more abstract to me. And if you end up having to vote for her, I appreciate your willingness to do what you must.

          • Dolmance

            Hey, if I was better looking, I’d be charging people for sex, so it’s not too much of a stretch.

        • doktorzoom

          Things you don’t do if you want to be president: Make waves of any kind at a dead First Lady’s funeral. If anything, I think bending backwards to be “nice” got her in this mess in the first place.

          • Dolmance

            I know. I’m just whining. It’s the only place I’m allowed to do it.

        • Slithytoves

          Assigned seating makes your mouth nasty?

      • JustDon’tSayDittos

        I like it!
        Summon my will-writer! Someone’s going to have an even worse day than my Last One!

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Ex first lady Hillary of course got to sit in the front row.

  • Gleem-McShinez

    “Very low-key advocacy, yes. Or wait, I mean the opposite of that. Yes. And the opposite of ‘she should be praised for it.’ Sorry, having a bit of an opposite day, I read a bunch of Trump quotes earlier and my brain broke.”

    • doktorzoom

      I know THAT feeling today!

    • theCryptofishist

      Yeah, I heard it as something so unbelievably snarky, so back-handed, so Algonquin Table, as to cause an outrage from the other side.

  • Pinkham’s Law

    I will not say bad things about Nancy. The only thing I see her as being guilty of is being fully in love with her husband, and – rightly – wanting to support him in every way she could. The road to Hell, they say, is paved with good intentions, but I will give at least a bit of credit for a lack of malicious intent.

    As I said concerning those who attack Michelle Obama, I do not see it as fair to treat any First Lady as if she prepared and campaigned for the position. She did not. Having achieved National prominence largely because of her husband’s ambitions, we then expect her to have an agenda and a well charted plan to fulfill it. That’s not fair. And I will not speak ill of any of these ladies, even if I feel they were ineffective, or scatterbrained, or naive, or scheming, or any other thing. Each and every one of them did their best to support their husband, in the best ways they knew how.

    All of us should hope to have a partner willing to do the same.

    • A Grumpy Cat, Not Esq.

      Very well put.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      I agree, as long as you’ll let me hate Barbara Bush. But everyone else, absolutely.

      • And that bitch Florence Harding, too.

        • nmmagyar

          I still hate Pat Nixon.

          • And that bitch good Republican cloth coat, too.

            Now, Checkers…Checkers was a GOOD DOGGIE! WHOSA GOOD DOGGIE?

          • hollydturner

            Lest we forget the Blue Canary Lady Woodpecker Bird Johnson. Now She was rather something.

          • Before she was dead, she was great at surprising people she was actually still alive.

          • theCryptofishist

            Liked wildflowers.

          • Villago Delenda Est

            Lady Bird had this crusade to eliminate billboards from our nation’s highways that ultimately failed, but it was a good effort.

          • My dad used to call those chain link fences with the colored plastic stripes woven through them “Lady Bird Fences”. They were part of her ‘Beautify America’ campaign, I guess.

          • hollydturner

            She also ran around throwing wild flower seed at highways. This was aimed at beautification of the interstate system. That was a good idea.

          • Major_Major_Major

            If you ever get to drive 26 between Hendersonville to Asheville during spring, you will appreciate Lady Lady Bird Johnson’s efforts. Spectacular.

          • hollydturner

            Ever heard of a little town called Cashiers? I know exactly what and where your talking about. And it is spectacular. But I have to say all of WNC is spectacular – I’m a tad biased.

          • Major_Major_Major

            Love Cashiers, and Gorges SP. My youngest was born in Brevard, and my oldest in Fletcher.

          • hollydturner

            Why Howdy Neighbor! My folks have a place down in Rabun County right on the NC border with Scaly Mountain. They sit in Sky Valley GA.

          • xy

            far less damaging than ‘just say no’ at least.

          • Dolmance

            Bloody brilliant.

      • Pinkham’s Law

        As always, I speak only for myself*. All others are free to do as they please.
        .
        .
        .
        *Except for when I channel my inner BernieBro! Then I speak for all BernieBros.

        • Jonny On Maui

          The One True Voice of Wonkette BernieBros!!

          All bow, kneel, and perform the invocation, “Neener-Neener”…

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Whelping four vile spawn (don’t know enough about Marvin to make a call on him) is justification enough.

        • hollydturner

          His name is Marvin. I think that suffices.

        • theCryptofishist

          Don’t forget there were at least two sisters.

          And Jarjar.

          • Villago Delenda Est

            Oh, I was counting Doro in the four. The one who died as a child gets a pass…no record to base it on.

          • theCryptofishist

            George, Jeb, Neil, Marvin–with Doro, that’s five.

          • theCryptofishist

            I was told there’d be no math.

          • Villago Delenda Est

            Like I said, I’m leaving Marvin out, because there’s just not enough to go on with him. He’s the smart one. He’s kept a low profile. Learned from his elder siblings’ mistakes.

          • theCryptofishist

            Okay. Not aying attention.

      • doktorzoom

        Oh, well Barbara Bush is an asshole in her own right. Politics aside, I think she’s a far nastier human being than George H.W.

        • Risking being BANNED FOREVER:

          I always kinda like Bush, Sr.

          I voted for him in 1988!

          I know, I know, but did y’all get a load of Dukakis?

          • Major_Major_Major

            Poor Dukakis, I looked more comfortable in place driving a M2 Bradley fighting vehicle at 14 Y/O than that poor man did on the M1A1.

          • ThePuckStopsHere

            So you based your vote based on how somebody looked while test driving a tank at the Warren Proving Grounds? Did you? What a fucking dumbass you must be.

          • Major_Major_Major

            Haha, I wasn’t eligable to vote until Clinton, although I did get to drive a Bradley in 88 (I was 14), and I did look more comfortable.

          • ThePuckStopsHere

            Pics or GTFO.

          • Major_Major_Major

            I’ll see if I can find it. T-shirt, braces, acne and all.

          • Major_Major_Major

            No luck yet, but I did find boot camp graduation photos, and some summer camp photos. Fun trip down memory lane. Still searching, though.

          • Major_Major_Major

            And it was an unfortunate photo op. There have been many before and after for any number of pols.. The major rat fucking Dukakis got was the whole furlough/Willie Horton thing. Much like the swiftboating of Kerry, just because it is bullshit, doesn’t mean it doesn’t resonate with the illiterati. But it’s all good, I don’t take it personal.

          • Biff52

            Not too many of us are pure. For a combination of reasons, I even voted for Nixon one time. I apparently gave him more credit for wanting to end the war than was warranted, but he did have a good record on education and the environment. And thus ends my record of voting for Republicans for any office higher than county treasurer. And then only because we had five republican candidates for treasurer, and zero from any other party…

          • The Wanderer

            Yeah. Mike threw that debate, and let GHWB stomp on him. That, the Horton ad and that ridiculous tank video doomed him.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          “She knows how to hate” – Richard Nixon commenting admiringly on Barbara Bush

          • theCryptofishist

            Rhymes with rich.

    • hollydturner

      I wish I were that gracious and kind. But. The way she treated her son Ron was atrocious.

      • nmmagyar

        Then call her an asshole of a parent.

        • hollydturner

          OK – she was an asshole of a parent.

    • No no no! The whole mess was Nancy’s fault. If she hadn’t wanted to be Queen of America that ol’ doofus Reagan would’ve just sat around the house waiting for the rest of the Alzheimer’s to set in, instead of getting the chance to ruin the country as he did.

    • Dr. Krieger IRL

      Well said. That’s a great point I’d never before considered.

    • Major_Major_Major

      You actually make a sound point, and inspired some introspection on my part*. WRT Nancy, I loathe her on her own merits, but to be fair to her the only reason I know anything about her is that she was married to the Gimper. I agree that Nancy was not malicious, definitely tone deaf, however.

      *Back to my regular scheduled snarking, albeit maybe slightly less self righteous.

  • calliecallie

    Probably someone already said this, but it bears repeating: NANCYGHAZI!!!11!1

  • diogenez

    I honestly think this WAS a mistake, but the fact that Hillary didn’t know better than to say such an outrageous and offensive thing tells me that this was an issue that was not important to her during the 80s.

    This is a real problem for Hillary, if she wants to convincingly sell herself as a friend and ally to the gay community. This was a seriously stupid thing to say and a rookie mistake.

    This is also not a good strategy for winning elections; elections are won by generating enthusiasm about a candidate and not by offending key demographics within your base. Un-enthused voters stay home on election day.

    Please, don’t tell me how any of the GOP candidates are much worse – I know that this is true, but part of the deal is also trying to feel good about the possibility of having to cast a vote for Mrs. Clinton – something she has just made slightly more difficult.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      The idea that anyone could seriously entertain the idea that Hillary Clinton is not a friend an ally of the gay community is ridiculous. If there is anyone in American politics who doesn’t take ANYthing for granted, it’s Hillary Clinton.

      • diogenez

        You ARE aware of just how long she equivocated on the issue of marriage equality?

        • thatdamnbob

          or as she would have us believe, she “evolves” – strangely enough, she evolves at the same exact rate as the national opinion on a topic, when the national opinion is politically advantageous, HRC has a growth spurt

          • Jonny On Maui

            “HRC has a growth spurt”

            due to a left leaning growth hormone known as sanders…

          • MissNomer

            Actually, it varies by topic. She had to do some catching up on gay marriage, but once she did she was all in. She extended benefits to same-sex partners of American diplomats at State and made LGBT rights a foreign policy priority. She was also the first FLOTUS to march in a gay pride parade.

            She was always way ahead of the pack on children’s and women’s rights. She left a trail of shattered glass ceilings.

    • nmmagyar

      How aware of the crisis we were going though was any straight person that didn’t have a close relative dying? Even gay folk in rural states (mine) didn’t see the decimation that was ripping communities apart in the major cities. Yes, she should have known better. Yes, she sounded ignorant. But at the end of the day; yes, I accept her apology.

      • diogenez

        Hillary was the First Lady of the state of Arkansas for most of the Reagan years. This seriously should have been on her radar.

        • nmmagyar

          HIV wasn’t a problem yet in rural states, like Arkansas, in the 80’s. Hell, I worked in a medical lab in 85-86 and we didn’t wear gloves to draw or test blood samples. I wiped off the intake tube on the machine that did CBC’s bare handed.

          • toomanyrappers

            Nancy wasn’t in a rural state.

          • nmmagyar

            Hillary was

          • diogenez

            I lived in Iowa at the time and there was plenty of awareness of what was going on in New York and San Francisco, about silence from Washington and Act-Up. Hillary may have lived in Arkansas, but that doesn’t mean she lived in a vacuum. I can dig for the number of AIDS cases in Arkansas at the time, but I already know that it was more than zero.

          • nmmagyar

            No one said she wasn’t aware of what was happening on the coasts, but until the virus jumped from primarily MSMs to IVDU’s it wasn’t prevalent in rural communities because MSMs aren’t prevalent in rural communities. And in the 80s the virus was still primarily contained to the MSM community (outside of pockets of IVDUs in large cities). In many rural areas the only folks with HIV were kids who came home to die.

          • toomanyrappers

            Straightsplaining. Was she in a rural state in 1980 when she said those things?

          • nmmagyar

            Who?

          • toomanyrappers

            Did Hillary Clinton dismiss the deaths the Reagans allowed from AIDS in a rural state in 1980 or did it happen on our blue voting coast in 2016?

            (I believe they condoned and cheered the deaths because guys that like other guys are super icky!)

          • nmmagyar

            So Hillary was supposed to spit on the grave of Nancy Reagan because Ronnie didn’t do more to stem the spread of AIDS? No one is saying that her comment wasn’t stupid.

            Nancy may not have done as much as you think she should have, but there are limits to the First Lady’s authority. The Reagan administration was atrocious in its response to AIDS, but Nancy wasn’t the one in charge.

          • toomanyrappers

            Bullshit. All she had to do was keep her mouth shut.

            Just stop.

        • MissNomer

          She was also partner of a law firm, the family breadwinner (Bill’s salary was $35K/yr), mother of a young child, and chair and director of numerous state and national commissions. It’s not like she was sitting in the governor’s mansion watching soaps, eating bonbons, and deliberately ignoring the plight of gay men on the coasts.

          BTW, I lost my brother to the plague in 1985. Handling his illness and death in NYC, where you’d think they’d be a bit more aware, was a real eye-opener. The hospital and the funeral home were appallingly callous and clueless. It wasn’t on anyone’s radar but the gay community’s.

      • Straight people in the needle-sharing community were well aware.

        • nmmagyar

          And sex workers. My bad.

          • JustDon’tSayDittos

            ..and we’re back to blow jobs, and from there the late Nancy. The circle is complete.

          • She rinsed afterwards with Coca Cola, which everybody knew was an effective prophylactic for preventing the virus.

            We kid, Nancy, because we love you!

          • Biff52

            Oral abortifacient!

      • My 70 year old grandmother had to have an HiV test due to a blood transfusion she had in 1981. She lived in rural Alabama, about as far away from San Francisco as you could get.

      • toomanyrappers

        So, straightsplaining, then?

        Wonkette should have stayed silent.

    • thatdamnbob

      Hillary seems to be wringing every scintilla of profit out of her law school education, as most statements, even those that can be answered with a simple yes or no are answered in a methodical, thorough, circuitous and slanted way, just like a lawyer would present a guilty client’s case to a jury, give 5% of a truthful statement and then give 95% of full tilt bullshit

  • I thought the “melting hearts” part of this was pretty tone-deaf too.

    • Bezoar

      Similar to the Vulcan ‘mind melt’?

      • Blackest Noobs

        more like Vulcan Tuna Melt….similar but cheesier.

        • therblig

          just never use Cardassian head cheese

        • H0mer0

          I misread that as “Vulvar” Tuna Melt so the cheese fits.

  • At least Clinton didn’t send this as a mass e-mail from her super secret Benghazi computer in the rumpus room.

  • The Wanderer

    The Deleted Comments (which are AOT,K) will be chock-full of naughty goodness this week, I’m thinking.

    • JustDon’tSayDittos

      I’ll say! I’ve been hooked just on this post for half an hour, at least.

      • JustDon’tSayDittos

        Oh wait, you meant banhammers. I’m a little surprised the trolls haven’t landed yet, actually.

        • Dr. Krieger IRL

          We’re counting down.

    • Pinkham’s Law

      I was a bit afraid some of my berniebro impressions might show up there, but Dok seems to have been amused enough to overlook anything that may have pushed the envelope.

      • doktorzoom

        I know better than to make a martyr…

        Actually, nah, you’re not nearly terrible enough :)

        • Pinkham’s Law

          Cool. I’ve got leash left to run with! :))))))

  • Villago Delenda Est

    To this day I lay some blame on the shitty grade Z movie star and his moll for my brother’s untimely demise in 1987. They did nothing while an epidemic ran wild.

  • r m reddicks

    I think Hillz must have “I misspoke” on some sort of macro or something.

  • I will say this: Nancy Reagan cared deeply about and worked tirelessly for health conditions that directly impacted her personally, so good on her.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      She started getting interested in HIV when Rock Hudson came down with it. So there’s that.

    • SayItWithWookies

      And yet she did nothing about the epidemic of willful ignorance.

      • nmmagyar

        TBF, Ronnie’s cabinet wasn’t her fault. Entirely.

    • doktorzoom

      As several people in Charlie Pierce’s comments said, is that really all that different from anyone else’s activism? One wrote:

      Sometimes it hard to imagine how difficult something is until it happens to you or someone you love. My husband’s mother spent 12 years with Alzheimer’s here in this house, our children grew up with it. Hearing about this disease, or, watching a movie about it, is not the same as living with it. I don’t blame Nancy Reagan for not knowing in advance how terrible the disease is, we sure didn’t. Better we learn late that not at all.

      As someone who never knew anything about severe head injuries until my first wife was hit by a car and in a coma for months, I am willing to grant some slack to anyone who only becomes a passionate advocate once they’ve been personally affected. And yeah, that includes Nancy Reagan, who had a hell of a lot more personal and political leverage to push Alzheimer’s research than the average family member, and used it for real good. There’s plenty to mock about her — especially blowjobs-n-astrology, and she definitely came late to giving a damn about AIDS.

      But on Alzheimer’s, I’m willing to give her credit for doing something — and as one of my twitter correspondents pointed out yesterday, at 90, Ronald Reagan wasn’t going to be the beneficiary of the research funding she was pushing for.

      • Excellent point, I admit.

        I’ll end my part of discussing Hillerancy-Gate with a Vonnegut quote about mourning the dead from his novel Galapagos:

        Oh, well — she wasn’t going to write the Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony anyway.’

        • doktorzoom

          Uncle Kurt definitely had a gift for perspective, he did.

        • Gayer Than Thou

          Gonna steal Hillerancy Gate for something.

  • SadDemInTex

    Hillz, this is what happens when you ask Debbie to give you a nugget of nice about dead Nancy.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Never listen to Debbie. She’s the paid whore of payday lenders.

      • Dr. Krieger IRL

        And a cheap one at that.

        • Mike W

          I know only 30k to buy a party chair. I bet rinse prebus charges more.

  • I was going to vote for Hillz, but now I’m just going to be mad forever because apparently I’m supposed to be, according to – oddly enough – people on both the right and the left. Because reasons. Reasonable reasons. So Hillz can’t have my vote anymore, which means Trump will probably be president and that will be much better. Yay, reasons.

  • Enfant Terrible

    The one thing about Hillz that drives me crazy is her tendency to make these unforced errors. And this was a doozy.

    • eric

      Right. So how can she be trusted not to nuke Canada in a mensies fit?

      • JustDon’tSayDittos

        Well, that WOULD speed up tar sand production…

      • My bigger fear:

        How can she be trusted retain her recent ‘Bernie positions’ after she’s President (or even gets the Dem nomination)?
        ~

      • theCryptofishist

        I want to point out that she will never have another “mensies fit” again,

        but at this point I’d expect a follow-up menopause dig.

        • eric

          Uhh, ghost mensies!

      • Enfant Terrible

        Isn’t Trudeau’s hotness an adequate defense? Seems to have more promise than that Star Wars thingie.

  • Dr. Krieger IRL

    We clearly have a divisive discussion here, so I’m going to weigh in my two cents:

    Pie is better than cake.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      But what if the cake is Cheesecake?

      • Dr. Krieger IRL

        Cheesecake is a custard pie Trojan horse, intended to undermine cake society from within.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          OK, so then what is Boston Cream Pie?

          • theCryptofishist

            Classier, speak only to God, version of same.

          • nmmagyar

            A deformed donut

          • Dr. Krieger IRL

            Cake society apropriating pie culture.

      • Webster

        Or a Boston Cream Pie?

      • eddi

        Cheesecake? Hubba hubba!

        • Sally Johnson

          The ass that launched a thousand ships…

          • eddi

            And won WW2.

          • Sally Johnson

            I thought it was the M-1 Garand and the P-51 Mustang… Oh, and the BOMB (twice).

          • eddi

            Never discount moral boosting.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Those legs…they go all the way to…

          Pardon me. I’ll be in my bunk.

          • eddi

            Nothing but nothing beats the classics.

          • Biff52

            …her feet?

      • RoyalUglyDude

        Cheesecake is neither cheese nor cake.
        (Discuss among yourselves)

        • theCryptofishist

          But it is an empire.

          • JustDon’tSayDittos

            Well, a factory, anyway.

    • doktorzoom

      Eight replies, and not a single “cakes we like” joke? I think we’re all a little worn out today. Or that could just be me.

      Also, Next Generation was better than TOS (as long as you don’t count TNG’s first two seasons).

      (ducks)

      • Jonny On Maui

        B5 or GTFO

        • thenearesthippie

          Farscape!

          • The Wanderer

            Aeryn Sun and Chiana are on my Naughty List.

      • Dr. Krieger IRL

        I like both TNG and TOS, they’re a lot of fun, but I think that TOS’s movies are more true to Trek’s vision.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        DS9 rulz them all.

        Yes, TNG’s first two seasons were dreadful. That third season turned it all around.

        • Skadi

          “The Big Goodbye” was actually pretty good. The rest…yeah.

          • Villago Delenda Est

            There were a few pretty decent episodes in those first two seasons (agree with you with enthusiasm about “The Big Goodbye”) but overall not so great. I never thought they used Diana Muldaur well as Dr. Pulaski, so much lost potential there.

      • JustDon’tSayDittos

        I got something we like, above. Wasn’t “those cakes”, though, ‘cuz I’m an original ‘n shit.

        • theCryptofishist

          Ah, but here there is much referencing of our shared past.

        • doktorzoom

          Fine, fine. As of the time I commented :)

      • theCryptofishist

        I was thinking about Donna Rose and cake.

        • H0mer0

          and her rage at being denied more.

        • Thinking about the adorable Donna Rose makes things better, also too.

      • Dylan Black

        I’ll go even further, every Trek show other than Enterprise is demonstrably better than TOS, even voyager, which had 2 straight out bad seasons and 3/5 of the 10 worst individual episodes. The one thing TOS had that none of the other shows has replicated was the incredible three way chemistry between Kelley, Shatner and Nimoy. I would argue that 80% of the fond feelings anyone has for actually watching TOS were based on that, and it was certainly the anchor of most of the movies as well.

      • Biff52

        OK, for once, I’m glad I didn’t scroll down before commenting, or I wouldn’t have been able to post my brilliant reference to those cakes we like.

      • The Wanderer

        Agreed, although “Enterprise” stunk up the place.

    • I think I need samples from all concerned, so I can make a fair judgement.

      • Jonny On Maui

        This should take about a week to do properly, keep ’em coming…

        • I tend to enjoy the ‘new’ Doctor Who episodes more than the ‘classic’ ones.

          And I really miss Chocolate Fudge Jello Puddin Pops.

          • JustDon’tSayDittos

            Bill, is that you?

          • sw19womble

            I wondered why I was getting sleepy.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Let’s see now…Angel Food cake sliced twice horizontally with ice cream placed between the slices, vs. Cherry Pie alamode. Discuss!

        • I vote all of the above. Wishy-washy, but with a happy tummy, that’s me.

        • JustDon’tSayDittos

          Needs moar coffee, with that brandy we like

        • Blank Ron

          Needs more testing. I’ll take mine on the patio.

        • The Wanderer

          Angel Food cake, topped with a scoop of vanilla ice cream and then with a hot strawberry/red wine compote. With a spritz of whipped cream.

    • Major_Major_Major

      Dale Cooper agrees. I, for one, am ambivalent.

    • Gleem-McShinez

      QED: Hair Pie, Pinkie Pie

      Urinal Cake, Cake Boss

      • Biff52

        Beefcake.
        BEEFCAKE!

        • nmmagyar

          Those are the cakes I like. Especially when they’re sweaty

    • Jonny On Maui

      Time to add the combustible fluid to the growing flames…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55h1FO8V_3w

    • Sardonicuss

      Sacrilege

      • ahughes798

        I prefer cake, but I do love House of Pie’s Caramel Pecan Silk Supreme, or a good coconut cream pie. But yeah, cake rules.

    • nmmagyar

      Donuts are better than both

      • Starfish

        Chris Christie is that you?

        • nmmagyar

          I keel you!!!! Pistols at dawn!

          • Starfish

            Doughnuts at dusk?

    • Starfish

      That’s just intentionally inflammatory.

    • Biff52

      How so? The saying is cakes we like, not pies. QEandD.

    • Treg.Brown

      Wait. What kind of pie?

      • H0mer0

        hair pie?
        (okay, I was just leaving)

    • orygoon

      I always thought cake was better, but you’ve convinced me. Pie IS better.

    • I am torn on the Pie v. Cake issue. I can’t choose sides because they’re both fantastic.

  • LarkintheAM

    It’s a shame she’s not given the same pass that Trump gets – at least she was saying something nice about someone, and not trying to start a riot.

    • toomanyrappers

      Democrats don’t give Trump free passes.

      • eddi

        The Rebs take care of their own. Even the crazy one who got out of the basement.

      • LarkintheAM

        Really? I know more than a few “Reagan Democrats” who don’t seem at all bothered by Trump’s many nasty comments. And the MSM, laughably referred to as “liberal”, can point out what he says all the live long day, but if anything, it just seemes to increase his poll numbers.

        • toomanyrappers

          That’s nice.

          Find where Trump gets a free pass around here–or in any Democratic community.

          It’s not out there.

          Trump doesn’t get free passes from Democrats. We fucking hate him.

          • ahughes798

            I’m a liberal Democrat, and I don’t hate Trump, or Hillary, or Ted. Or anybody, for that matter. I think Trump and Ted are very dangerous, and Hillary is, at best, a Blue Dog Democrat. Hating someone takes a lot of energy that I just don’t have.

          • toomanyrappers

            Trump will give you the energy before November. :)

          • ahughes798

            I’ve always got enough energy to hate someone with votes. Always!

          • Smokahontas

            IKR?!? I got laundry to do!!

            Seriously, fucking laundry.

          • ahughes798

            I hate laundry!

        • JustDon’tSayDittos

          I see the problem: “Reagan Democrats”. DINOs at best, most likely that old former-rebel Solid SOuth Democrat, i.e., not a Democrat at all.

        • Starfish

          A “Regan Democrat” is just some poor Schlub that realized all the cool racists switched parties before they did.

      • I am a dem. and I would give Trump a free pass . . . to someplace ISISy.

        • JustDon’tSayDittos

          Hello, GoFundMe? I gotta proposal to make…

        • toomanyrappers

          He’s a poor man’s Putin. It’s pathetic.

          • Gayer Than Thou

            In more ways than one.

    • thatdamnbob

      it wasn’t so much “something nice” as it was “something that isn’t true” which is, in HRC’s case, not uncommon

      • LarkintheAM

        Name one politician – even Bernie (gasp!) – where it is “not uncommon” that they say something which isn’t true. For that matter, Diogenes is still searching for that honest man – all of us are liars and anyone who says they aren’t are BIG liars. From little white lies to grease social skids (“I really like your new hair cut”) to small prevarications (“The check is in the mail”) to giant whoppers (“No, I don’t mind if you stay an extra week”), to bold face, complete lies (“I only had two beers”), we lie constantly, not only to others, but to ourselves (“I’ll get up early tomorrow and run a couple of miles”). And most of us consider ourselves mostly honest people even though we do. In this instance, I think Mrs. Clinton can be excused for searching for something nice to say about the dead, and as some of us must from time to time, she exaggerated the good qualities of the person in the bier as a comfort to the living, since that is who a funeral is for.

        So at least Clinton
        was being honest about the very human fact that we all lie. I’d have
        been much more worried if she said that she never did. Now, if only we
        could learn to stop being such hypocrites.

  • Spotts1701

    Ever have that moment where you start talking and forget where to stop?

  • Marcinema

    I recall working in Florida, mid 80’s, around some very “serious” Christians”. AIDS was something they were very happy about. Their vengeful God, was smiting the drug users and homos, and they thought it was just great. A relative, who went nuts, and believed God sent AIDS, on purpose, to do this, I asked “What about the people who get it by blood transfusions, and such?” Her answer was basically, “They are collateral damage.”
    Just like when we drop a bomb to kill bad guys, if innocent victims get killed, or maimed, well, them’s the breaks. Just like The Flood, some nice people, puppies and kittens done got drowned. But, when you are saving the world, shit happens. Even God can’t keep a straight, non-druggie from getting His disease, here and there. What’s a God to do?

    • Beulah

      Those were the people that Reagan legitimized and helped establish as a permanent fixture in national right wing politics. It would be difficult to overstate the lasting damage that has done both here and abroad. Ryan White was literally the poster child for their misguided beliefs.

      • Smokahontas

        FWIW We are currently in the process of electing one such compassionate Christian to the Supreme Court of Wisconsin. Though in fairness, she only had her *ahem* fucking dusgusting, misguided, depraved (______, etc.) views on the subject, oh yeah, only *ahem* put into fucking publication by the student newspaper at the fucking university where she served on the student senate. But she’s changed since, and all thE people who she said jesus would make die because buttsecks, actually went ahead and did a die and now dont vote, obvs, it’s all good, right?!?!,!?11 Did I mention walker’s appointed her 3 times??!?!
        – this rant has been brought to you by Day Drinking.

      • doktorzoom

        To her (very limited) credit, Nancy apparently couldn’t stand them. Not so much that she ever spoke up about it, of course, because that would go against being a Good Wife. For that matter, Reagan himself seemed happy to take their support and money, but keep them at arm’s length — appeared at “March for Life” only via video, never in person.

        Not sure whether to be impressed or disgusted by that depth of Machiavellian cynicism.

        • Beulah

          Good point. His partnership with the Moral Majority and allied groups was not overt, but it was clearly a mutually beneficial relationship.

          As I recall, links to various evangelical types (Pat Robertson?) came up in the Iran Contra hearings. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had been funneling some of that precious tax free revenue into Ronnie’s covert war.

  • Gleem-McShinez

    It could have been worse. She could have claimed she tried to stab Nancy Reagan, but her AIDS belt buckle broke the blade.

    • Okely D’Oprah

      Well, in fairness to the late First Lady, she did convince Ronnie to make this speech:

  • thatdamnbob

    The only good spin I can see in HRC’s tendency to embellish history, ie: Nancy’s support of AIDS/HIV research, Bernie Sanders support of the Republican platform, and her own adventure of dodging sniper fire on a landing strip in war-torn Bosnia, is that it is a good quality to possess if you like to write fiction (ie: her memoir “Hard Choices” which, if there’s truth in the telling would be subtitled “Bad Judgement”)

    • Skadi

      To be fair, good judgment comes from experience…and experience mostly comes from bad judgment.

      • Smokahontas

        Can I get that on a coffee mug? Oh, and a hat! Because they’re always right!

        • hollydturner

          and a bumper sticker

          • Smokahontas

            Throw pillow or GTFO! Although, I do hear a lot about Throw Bricks these days, but I’m not on pintrest.

      • thatdamnbob

        In some cases, Skadi, of course.But consider: is it good judgement or experience that causes one to step away from the edge of a precipice. No amount of experiencing falling into the Grand Canyon, for instance, will contribute to good judgement

        • Skadi

          Well, if you were fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to survive falling into the Grand Canyon, I imagine you would have a much better sense of judgment afterwards.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Hillary certainly has stepped into it a number of times. Yet those adventures get no attention at all from the Reichwing. Instead, they’ve latched on to nonsense like Benghazi! and the supposed email scandal, shit that is ridiculously easy to refute.

      • You don’t see the Reichwing bitching about Obama’s DOJ giving all the Bush-Cheney criminals a pass, either.

        They’re* all in for the Overton Window moving rightward. And only the (powerless) left in this country is against it.

        * That’s not just the GOP, that’s our corporate media and our Wall St. Dems. Which includes Bill C., Hillary, and Obama.
        ~

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Because if all that is called for is “I misspoke, sorry, it happens” then you can’t preemptively impeach somebody for something like that.

        The reason misstatements create problems for the right wing that they are constitutionally unable to apologize. “I was kidding” or a notpology don’t cut it.

      • Strepsi

        Well they CAN’T get her on this one, because correcting her error would entail reminding us that Saint Reagan was a despicable person.

      • thatdamnbob

        true, that, but the Republican party hasn’t done much of anything intelligent since Ike’s genius Interstate Highway system

        • Ulricii

          And even the Mighty Ike only got that one through by disguising it as defense spending. We needed all those interstates with their high overpasses so we could trundle ICBMs cross-country.

          GOP Congressmen thought it was great. “Military hardware? How high should I raise my hand?”

  • Kerry Day

    She’s been saying such dumb things the last little while. “Bernie voted for the crime bill, ask HIM about it!!!” etc. Could it be she’ realized that Drumpf is gonna win, and only Bernie can beat him? Is she sabotaging herself to save the country?

    • Um, Bernie did vote for the crime bill. He also voted for the Commodities Futures Deregulation Act, which was the one which allowed all those bundled mortgages which led to the financial collapse. Whereas at the time, Hillary Clinton was just the First Lady, and had no vote in it.

      • JaaaaaCeeeee

        Even Hillary Clinton’s own think tank says the financial deregulation accusation smells (but helpfully adds some both siderism). Not that I expect Hillary’s idiot strategists, whom she should replace, to stop feeding Hillary attack lines that smell worse, the closer you look. Is Podesta only a slightly smarter DWS?
        http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2016/02/05/3746742/clinton-sanders-derivatives-regulation/

        • I think you should take a close look at Bernie’s actual congressional record. You see, unlike you, I realize that every politician has “less than savory” votes in their record, and if you’ve been in Congress for the past 25 years like Bernie, you’ve got a large number of them. The fact that he hasn’t been called on them yet, or they haven’t been used in a campaign just means he’s been a local phenomenon. Now that he’s running a national campaign, all of those are fair game, and if you think Hillary is being “bogus” calling them out, then wait to see what happens if he gets the nomination. By the time the Republicans get through with him, most people will be wondering how he managed to stay in office. This is a “goose/gander” situation. If you’re going to drag up every congressional vote Hillary ever made in the Senate, or even try to blame her for a law she had no vote on, then you better stop complaining when someone shows you a less-than-progressive vote that Bernie made, and yes, he’s made a number.

          • JaaaaaCeeeee

            No, I did not say that Hillary Clinton is bogus, I agree with Bernie Sanders that she would make a far, far better president than any Republican running, and will vote for her if she is the Democratic nominee.

      • Kerry Day

        Um, I know. I guess you didn’t hear his answer, WHY he voted for it. Made Hills look very foolish and heartless. Sander’s answer was heartbreaking. I am willing to bet money that he voted for the deregulation for similar reasons. At least we can be totally CERTAIN he did NOT vote for it because it helped out his banking buddies.

        • It doesn’t matter why he voted for it, the fact is that he did. Here’s the thing, you are attributing all sorts of evil motives to Hillary’s actions, but turning around and attributing only the purest of motives to any of Bernie’s votes and actions. It doesn’t work that way.

    • hollydturner

      It sounds as if you’d like to see Hillz fall on her sword.

      • Kerry Day

        does it? I dont think i implied that. I mean, I would like to see her lose, sure. I kinda liked her for Prez before the campaign started. But the more she talks, the more i dislike and distrust her.

    • thatdamnbob

      she wanted to hear Bernie’s answer to that question, so she can “evolve” and then incorporate it into her stump speeches, because she’s realized there is no better way to consider issues than the Sanders way

      • thatdamnbob

        When is Congress gonna wake up to the insanity of bundling bills of separate issues together for a yes or no vote – It is pure insanity to have in the same bill the following:
        Vote yes or no on the INSANE Congress bill xxxxx:
        Item 1 – it is illegal to starve your infant children to death
        Item 2 – It is legal to beat your spouse senseless whenever you please

        • JaaaaaCeeeee

          When did remunerative become insane?

          • thatdamnbob

            It appears that you’ve missed my point, perhaps you meant your question for another post?

    • ryp

      Nah, she’s just giving Sanders voters false hope so she can cackle loudly when their dreams are crushed. That’s how evil she is.

  • Starfish

    What did they find during Ronald Regans colonoscopy? Rock Hudsons watch.

    • Major_Major_Major

      His head, there is a reason he had both colon and nose cancer, (Many thanks to Carlin (?), and apologies for my butchery, also too).

      • Starfish

        I’ll allow it

    • H0mer0

      and a few polyps, but not in that order.

  • JustDon’tSayDittos

    Do a chore, snark on W’ette as reward. Repeat.
    That’s how you do Saturday.

    • nmmagyar

      What is the “chore” you speak of????

      • JustDon’tSayDittos

        Actually, I’m at work. So the chore is reading a document and signing it.

        • Major_Major_Major

          I actually came into work to get things done. That the interface of my work machine is ever so much better to snark on than my mobile is A added bonus. Value added even.

          • JustDon’tSayDittos

            Hey, I’ll get things done as soon as I finish skimming – I mean reading – these damn SOPs so the auditors don’t get all huffy.
            Wait, you’re not my boss are you? Cuz I’m really reading all about change control. really! I’ll get started on the Flux Capacitor as soon as I post this one last comment…

      • Alex Grey

        The 12 oz curls?

  • Playonwords

    Oops wrong thread

    • sw19womble

      is it AOT,K?

      • Playonwords

        Oh no, 2nd row middle is Lilleth de Tempscire Phyllis Schafly

    • Ulricii

      Second row down, in the middle. I thought she was coffined up by now until this morning when she endorsed Trump. Get outa here, lady!

  • RoyalUglyDude

    I’m not all that angry about her comment, but I do feel like my tolerance for irony is being taxed. The Reagans made the AIDS crisis worse by ignoring it, which is the exact opposite of starting a conversation.

    • sw19womble

      And that’s yet another danger of a socially conservative administration: they won’t accept new information, unless it advances their own stereotypes and agenda.
      Alternatively, like Dubya, they’ll make shit up to advance it.
      Reagan was asleep at the wheel, and nobody was minded to wake him up over a bunch of dirty queers.

      Just imagine what a Cruz theocracy would alternately espouse or ignore.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        They’d actively fight all efforts to immunize kids against cervical cancer. The kids are supposed to be punished for having sex!

        • Vecciojohn LLC

          That’s why abortion is so bad. No comeuppance. There must be comeuppance!

        • doktorzoom

          I’m the pro-cervical cancer candidate!

          • sw19womble

            Ectopic pregnancy or GTFO

        • Treg.Brown

          “The kids are supposed to be punished for having sex a cervix!”

      • Grizz1y

        Greasy Rat and Drumpf both remind me of the rise of Nemeiah Scudder from Heinlein’s “Revolt in 2100.” If The Donald’s Brown-Shirts start calling themselves the Angels of the Lord I’ll be really worried.

    • Vecciojohn LLC

      How can you say that about the Great Communicator?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Fuck. That was the Village’s suckup to the asshole.

      • Biff52

        Worst. Great. Communicator. EVAR!

    • Relativicus

      Lots of people were talking about why Reagan was doing nothing about it, and we wouldn’t have had those conversations if he had done something. So there’s that.

      • doktorzoom

        Let’s just not encourage Hillary (or Bernie for that matter) to offer us too many such teachable moments….

        • Smokahontas

          Iz we teachable?

          • Jonny On Maui

            I’ve learned a lot here.

            Still not to keep my mouth shut…

          • Smokahontas

            Thankfully, comments aren’t allowed. ..otherwise, we’d make stupid comments.

  • JD Mulvey

    Outrage! (From people who hated HRC before and still hate her now.)

    Yawn.. (From everybody else.)

    • Vecciojohn LLC

      Stop yawning. Now I’m doing it.

      • sw19womble

        yaaa-aaaa-aawr

        Dammit!

      • JD Mulvey

        Sorry, I didn’t sleep very well last night. Well enough, though, to recognize faux umbridge when I see it.

        • hollydturner

          Umbridge!?11!! Thems some fightin’ words

        • JustDon’tSayDittos

          Sleeping under an umbridge isn’t very restful.
          *yawn*

          • JD Mulvey

            Welcome to the new America. Plenty of sleeping under umbridges going on these days.

          • Jonny On Maui

            Umbridges… That where umtrolls reside?

          • JD Mulvey

            Used to be, before they were gentrified out.

          • JH Marx

            The law still says Sleeping under an umbridge is illegal.

        • doktorzoom

          Only Dolores is the real one.

          • nmmagyar

            But she’s dead

          • Grizz1y

            clip, clop, clip, clop

          • Lambsendbeds

            What? What? What?

          • bobbert

            Well done.

        • Vecciojohn LLC

          ? There’s no umbrage
          Like faux umbrage
          There’s no umbrage I know ??

    • Latverian Diplomat

      I wouldn’t say yawn, exactly, but an apology was called for and she issued one. That’s good enough for me.

      • doktorzoom

        This.

      • nmmagyar

        Thank you! I’ve been saying that most of the day

        • sw19womble

          You’ve been saying “Thank you!” most of the day? Well, what a polite young nmmagyar you are!

          • nmmagyar

            Thanks for thinking I’m young

          • sw19womble

            No problem, I’m a polite young sw19womble myself ;)

    • Villago Delenda Est

      The thing is, the outrage from the people who hate Hillary would be about her walkback, not the initial comment.

  • Vecciojohn LLC

    Well, at least she didn’t suggest that Bernie might get assassinated before the convention.

    • Sheepshagger

      Hey you sound sober. Go and drink something, you’re a goddamn disgrace.

      • Smokahontas

        Here here!!!

        Bartender!!! Over here!!!

      • Vecciojohn LLC

        In my defense, I have been smoking dope all day and forgot to drink.

    • Rick Hill

      …in public.

      • Major_Major_Major

        First time, I thought that said pubic and was just trying to figure how to frame it as any kind of pillow talk.

        • Rick Hill

          Ask Huma

        • Jonny On Maui

          Bill n Hill asking the Bern to a threeway?

          Hey, you started it…

  • AnthonyLook

    Republicans, tea partiers, Fox Fake News, Foxtards and Sander Bros socialists—- POUNCE on any and all Clinton news to demonize not only her, but the Democratic Party, Democratic leaders, Democratic history, Democratic long and hard fought accomplishments. All of them indistinguishable with their comments from each other.

    • JD Mulvey

      You’re not allowed to challenge the “clean Sanders campaign” storyline! Others make baseless attacks, never the Bros.

      • AnthonyLook

        I will not sit idly by while the Sander socialists, Republicans or otherwise besmirch the Democratic Party, it’s leaders, it’s history, and it’s accomplishments. They should start there own third party.

      • toomanyrappers

        Neither candidate has given 100% for gay men. Hillary didn’t need to try to reach out to GOP voters here. All she needed to do was be quiet.

    • Apple Scruff

      In this case, it’s 20-something Bernouts who weren’t even born yet and have no clue about the AIDS epidemic or Reagan’s response except what they’ve read on Gawker.

      • Sardonicuss

        Hey, I was there. I saw that!

      • AnthonyLook

        I call on all Democrats to boldly speak out against these Sander socialist Bro knuckle dragging Neanderthals that are NOT DEMOCRATS. I defend my Democratic Party and will not stand idly by and let these Foxtard clone socialists that think they don’t have to grow a pair and start there own third party and come into our HOME the Democratic Party and besmirch the long hard progress we have made for decades. They are fools and morons if they think we will elect their socialist lying coward. Sanders lied to millions about Clintons statement that he didn’t vote “YES” on the Auto Industry bail out. Sander’s initially voted “YES” but that process ended in a fillibuster. When the vote finally came out when it counted for the money to actually be released it was tied to the TARP fund (Wall Street bail out) and Sanders voted “NO”. So in effect Sanders threw 1.2 million jobs, families/homes under the bus for his passionate convictions. If it had been Katrina, Sandy Hurricane or Flint Lead Poisoning that had been tied to some passionate issue he hold dear he would have done the same. If it comes up again in the future (and Republicans always tied funds to other things they want pass in their agendas— Sanders will be an ideolog and throw American famililes under the bus. Shocking how he spinned it that he had good intentions and that is what should count and not the reality of not voting for the funds themselves.

        • rebecca

          lighten up Francis.

          • AnthonyLook

            Lighten up, and let these parasite socialist mock, minimize and besmirch my party. Grow a pair and either stand up for your party or leave the Democratic Party and join you fellow socialists. There is no free ride for these obnoxious malcontents that aren’t even Democrats that feed on the process of our Democratic Primary. They need to buck up and get the hell out and start their own third party. You want to defend these party traitors– then join and leave. We are Democrats and we don’t have to take their insults, demonizing and lies. I will stand up for my party and our leaders and history. That you are as spineless as these socialist means only that you need to leave and join them too. Buck up Francis.

    • Smokahontas

      Can’t we all just sing “This Land is Your Land Now Please Don’t Shoot Me Because Castle Law” and get along?!?!

  • JD Mulvey

    I am SO glad we get to talk about something relevant, like whether Reagan’s wife gave a shit about the AIDS thirty years ago. We might have been stuck talking about the spate of neo-Nazi rallies for the Republican Presidential candidate.

    • Jonny On Maui

      “You want that other thread over there…”

    • Sardonicuss

      Over on Gawker, I postulated that perhaps Hilary not dragging Nancy’s corpse behind her limo was a good thing.
      Responses were basically: “You talk like a fag..and your shits all fucked up.”

      • JD Mulvey

        Because it’s so important, just on principle, to tell everyone within earshot about how much you hate the recently deceased.

        Me personally, I never feel more alive then when I can go to a funeral and tell a dead person’s family just what a real prick he was.

        • Sardonicuss

          Don’t forget: The hallmark of truly great future President is how many open graves they have pissed in. Tombstones don’t count. If the guy running the backhoe is not angry, you have not done it right.

        • Vienna Woods

          Although Glenda Jackson on Maggie Thatcher after her death was pretty awesome.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDtClJYJBj8

      • toomanyrappers

        All she had to do was say nothing.

      • H0mer0

        did you ask them why they had a problem with your “speech” and its sexual orientation?

  • Paperless Tiger

    She made an honest mistake and then apologized? Bitch!!! That’s it. Now we have to hand the country over to the psychos. That’s just how it works.

    • Shibusa

      Looking forward to that Apology Tour!

    • toomanyrappers

      She should have kept her mouth shut.

    • mailman27

      Apologizing for being too generous… Well– I’m done here. Assemble the circular squad.

  • hollydturner

    Hey kids!! WTF!11!!? From the sounds coming out of this thread we’re becoming a little divided and not a little surly. Let’s go have a beer, roll one and chill. K?

    • JustDon’tSayDittos

      IDK, this is a lot more civil than some posts’ non-comments.
      But a beer would be nice.

    • JD Mulvey

      Wait!! First I want to bicker a little more about “white people don’t know what it’s like to be poor”!

      • H0mer0

        plenty of them have “known the joy of a welfare Christmas.”
        True story, my SO says that growing up in Philly, a few teenagers and a priest from his parish would go to one of the working class neighborhoods and play Santa to the kids and donate toys and stuff (usually the fat kid would get the roll of Santa.) The priest would not wear his collar, and would tell the kids not to call him “Father” because a lot of the working class dads were Protestant and if they knew they were receiving charity from the Catholics, they wouldn’t take the presents and mess up Christmas for their kids.

    • Spotts1701
      • hollydturner

        I’m listening and smiling while drinking this beer. Thanks dude!

      • JD Mulvey

        Embarassed to say that I remember when they played that song during Apollo-Soyuz. (That was way back when “peace” was considered a good thing. Ask your grandparents, kids.)

        • Anarchy Pony

          Not by the birchers and other similar forebears of the teatards/stormtrumpers.

        • The Wanderer

          I watched that live.

    • sw19womble

      All I said was “that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah”.

      • Sardonicuss

        See those stones? Yep. There they are.

      • Anarchy Pony

        No one is to throw any stones until, and I want to make this absolutely clear, until I’ve blown this whistle! Even if they do say Jehovah.

        • H0mer0

          Now who threw that stone?

          • cousin itt

            Jehovah, was that you?

  • Rick Hill

    I thought the major turnaround was when Ryan White died.

    • nmmagyar

      The turnaround was Elizabeth Taylor shaming Ronnie about Ryan White’s death.

      • Rick Hill

        Yeah but more public acceptance began with his advocacy.

      • cat cafe

        I think it was Elizabeth Taylor and Rock Hudson, wasn’t it? For sure Elizabeth was a hero for the ages, standing up when people were treating it like the Black Plague.

        • H0mer0

          “that’s what friends are for”

  • Meanwhile in Missouri there’s another TRUMP rally brewing . . .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pia8ku7jUNg

    What?!? Too soon?

  • Rick Hill

    So divisive, this statement thing. One thing I think we can all agree on, though, is that her statement and her apology are good news for John McCain

    • nmmagyar

      Sarah Palin is trying to figure out a way to raise money off it

      • Rick Hill

        Then again she’s also doing the same after bears got in her trash.

        • nmmagyar

          or takes a shit

          • Rick Hill

            Then again, maybe she’s just trying to figure out a way to superglue Bristol’s knees together.

          • nmmagyar

            Like she cares, Bristol’s out of the house and own her own now. Sarah just needed her as a prop for a few minutes

          • Rick Hill

            Sarah/conservative mindset. Bristol is what makes Sarah look bad.

          • Vecciojohn LLC

            The aspirin didn’t work either.

          • Rick Hill

            Not that she didn’t try it….

          • JH Marx

            in the woods.

      • Shibusa

        BansheePAC

    • JustDon’tSayDittos

      Similarly good news for Marco Ruboi [sic on purpose], for the same reasons.

  • Vecciojohn LLC

    I’ll never forgive her. Never, you hear me!

    • orygoon

      In my book she’s pre-forgiven for it. We offset.

  • Squirrel_t_robot

    Just another thing for people to lose their shit over.

  • Rick Hill

    Anyone else read the header in Jerry Lewis’ voice? 60s Jerry?

    • “There you go again, PREEETTY LAAAAY-DEEEE!!!”

      • cousin itt

        Please, I beg of you no more! Knights of PREEETTY LAAAAY-DEEEE, we are but simple travelers who seek the enchanter who lives beyond these woods.

    • doktorzoom

      If there’s any justice in the universe, The Day The Clown Cried will someday be released. Or dug up from Lewis’s tomb if need be.

      • Rick Hill

        I heard a spot talking about that last month. Someone who was allowed to view it. They said it was the absolute worst thing ever. And not the subject, the movie itself. I think they were saying it would never be shown.

      • kaw143

        You could just take it out of his office safe, but where are you going to get the VCR to play it?

        • Zyxomma

          I still use a VCR every day. My roommate records everything we’re going to watch (including news), and we watch commercial free. Anyone who watches TV in real time, in his opinion, is wasting his life. Saves hours and brain cells.

    • Sardonicuss

      ..and they said bull fighting was brutal. Vicious. I will never un see this. God help me.

      • JustDon’tSayDittos

        So cruel! You Aussies are insane. Now I need to go home and make sure my pups are OK.
        ;-)

    • Major_Major_Major

      Some things can never be unseen. Thanks Obama.

    • Sally Johnson
    • H0mer0

      Thanks to Little Einstein, whenever I hear that piece, I think of the Halloween kid song sung to that tune: “We are here to trick or treat, smell my feet, give me something good to eat…” then the iambic pentameter falls apart.

    • Callyson

  • Callyson

    OT, but if you like fucking with trolls as much as I do, there’s one in the Trump riot post. Have fun!

    • doktorzoom

      Sigh, just when I thought I could take a nap… (I’m no fun at all)

      • Vecciojohn LLC
        • Citizen1

          Album cover sure shows how fashions change.
          (but remember, once fashionable tatoos don’t)

          • Zyxomma

            Yes. I started wearing vintage clothes in the 1970s because between the elephant bells, huge collars (I’m tiny), and all that polyester, there was nothing contemporary for me to wear.

  • Fartknocker

    I pity the police officers in Kansas City dealing with the Trump yappa-pa-loser show.

    • JaaaaaCeeeee

      They have their own problems, what with the video of them pepper spraying and proud about doing up peaceful protesters behind the lines.

      • cleos_mom

        But imagine the Chicago’s Finest dealing with a Snake Saturday parade in the morning and Der Trumpster’s fans, the requisite protesters and a huge basketball crowd in the afternoon.

  • Say goodnight GOP. Drumpf is tucking you in for good.

    • Dolmance

      Or tucking us into bed for good.

      • Not me.

      • DemmeFatale

        Naaaah.
        We’ll beat him.
        Cooler heads WILL prevail.

        • Pinkham’s Law

          Yes. Just like “cooler heads” always prevail when trolls are given massive amounts of attention online, right?

  • Dolmance

    FUCK!!!

    The headlines elsewhere, just out; Clinton’s emails show lucrative ties to for profit colleges.”

    This sucks ass. I’m going back to bed.

    • Sally Johnson

      It was recently revealed through Hillary’s emails that during her first year as Secretary of State she insisted that Laureate Education be included in the guest list for an education policy dinner hosted at the U.S. Department of State.

      “It’s a for-profit model that should be represented,” she wrote in
      the August 2009 email, and as a result, a senior vice president at
      Laureate was added to the guest list. Several months later, former
      President Bill Clinton became an honorary chancellor
      of Laureate International Universities, which turned out to be
      incredibly lucrative. He was paid a cool $16.5 million between 2010 and
      2014 for his role with the for-profit college.

      Uh, that’s not going to go over real well with people next Tuesday.

      • H0mer0

        F–k.
        Just one of those millions could help me …

        • Sally Johnson

          Find some idealistic kids and veterans to fuck over.

        • zerosumgame0005

          you have to do stuff besides buy lottery tickets to make that kind of money, and dammit all I have are losing tickets :(

      • zerosumgame0005

        is it just that you think they are scared of learning or is there an actual problem with that school?

      • Antimassacree

        As Mayor Daley I so eloquently said (while in office), “If you can’t help your family, who can you help?”

    • Shibusa

      Meh. That story was reported by Bloomberg last year. Laureate and the Clinton Global Initiative partnered on a bunch of things. It’s not the same as “Trump University” for crying out loud. The only ones wound up about it are dailycaller trolls.

  • DemmeFatale

    I’ll never forgive that murderer, Reagan.
    But Hillary’s OK.
    She actually apologized. Like a grown-up. (See how it’s done, GOP?)

    • Major_Major_Major

      Double down on your lies/mistakes or GTFO.

    • sw19womble

      ‘Party of Personal Responsibility’ – see? I knew she was a closet Republican!

    • Be Gin

      GOP responce: Madame Clinton’s insincere apology for her Ghastly Hitlerian Warcrime Level faux pas can only be rectified by her admission to an alcohol and drug treatment program with followup Community Service at an Evangelical Pray Away The Gay Outreach Ministry. 10 Years should do.

  • AngryBlakGuy

    …not very many people know, Nancy Reagans desecrated corpse is being hidden in Hillary’s email server! I buried the body myself, right next to Vince Foster and JFK!!!

    • zerosumgame0005

      must be true, Billdo O’Lielly was outside the front door and heard it all!

      • AngryBlakGuy

        …sounds like I have a “loose” end to handle!!!

        • TheBidenator

          It’s okay, that concoction that George Soros paid for us to put into his coffee worked…he choked his wife and dragged her down the stairs. He’ll know better than to open his mouth again….

        • Spotts1701

          I don’t know nuthin’, I swears!

    • Vecciojohn LLC

      Not so loud! The walls have ears.

      • The Wanderer

        (points to two large lobes behind the mantelpiece)

    • Citizen1

      Everyone over here on the Grassy Knoll already knew.

  • zerosumgame0005

    was there anyone of note who voted no on the Brady Bill?

    • Spotts1701

      116 Republicans in the House and 34 in the Senate opposed it. There were also 70 Democratic Reps and 7 Senators who voted against it as well as 1 Independent. Among current presidential candidates only John Kasich and Bernie Sanders were in Congress at the time and both voted “No”

      • Vecciojohn LLC

        I say we send Bernie to be reeducated at the nearest FEMA camp.

        And send John to the Betty Ford Clinic.

        • Spotts1701

          I think that’s unnecessarily cruel. How else is Gov. Kasich going to deal with losing to a used-car salesman, a zealot and a robot without booze?

          • Vecciojohn LLC

            Sometimes you have to be cruel to be cruel.

          • Markuserektus
          • The Wanderer

            I know I couldn’t. It’d be great for my poll numbers, though, if I got all wiggy on cheap gin and went into a foaming ragegasm on live teevee.

      • ryp

        IOKIYBS

      • zerosumgame0005

        huh, how fast will Drumpf, Cruz or Rubio fight over laying claim to wishing they were in congress then so they too could vote the NRA way?

    • Truthiness2U

      It’s one of the things I was not of happiness about Bernie, he voted against the Brady Bill 5 times. But hey, rural gun owners aren’t the same as urban gun owners!

      • zerosumgame0005

        ah “urbans”….got ya, it is VT after all

      • zerosumgame0005

        not saying it about YOU, BTW, just that you stated it correctly about VT

      • Derpina Assdefender

        Come on…he voted against small gun shop owners being prosecuted for selling firearms legally. Why should they be charged for something they are not responsible for? Would you charge Volvo if you were involved in a car incident caused by yourself with your Volvo car? The gun discussion is so emotional at so many levels that it doesn’t make sense. I don’t like when people try to paint Bernie as some pro gun advocate when he has been advocating for background checks, harder gun control and universal mental healthcare for decades.

  • toomanyrappers

    When you run for president…

    • lroom

      Can someone staple that to the forehead of every Republican please? In a nice votey way of course.

      • Jonny On Maui

        Cripes, send me a gross. I need to wake up to that…

  • Vecciojohn LLC
    • Biff52

      Wait-what?

    • JaaaaaCeeeee

      I could swear I have read earlier versions of that excellent little piece by Josh at TPM before. I watched Obama do it in 2011, and Josh describes Obama’s evisceration of Trump and Trump’s reaction pitilessly well.

    • Mr Corrections

      So in a way, those Republicans who blame Obama for the rise of Trump are right – Obama hurt his fee-fees years ago, and now he’s mad.

      Of course, that means the GOP hasn’t, in four years, been able to deal with a mental toddler having a temper tantrum.

  • Spotts1701
    • Callyson

      Oh, for fuck’s sake.

    • kaw143

      Ah, Trump and his Nutzis.

    • The Wanderer

      Ah, he’s certainly rocking that mullet and the white trash mustache. The Face of Trump’s America, folks.

  • TheBidenator

    Nancyghazi!!!!

  • Shaydee

    Hillary was trying to be nice and say nice things about Nancy Reagan (who put the bee in the otch). Hey, some of us were alive and remember the 80s.

    • SK

      I thought she put the bee in the jay.

      • Be Gin

        That was Ann Coulter.

        • Toomush_Infer

          Giving, not getting…

      • Shaydee

        could have, could have… I remember hearing a story about when Ronnie was shot, a class of kindergarteners clapped!(?) and yelled and Nancy heard about it and was outraged! She allegedly wanted all the kindergarteners punished. This was 1981, no YouTube or internet, so can’t be validated!

  • Some feel compelled to go to a funeral and praise the departed for what they were not. Usually, they look kinda dumb in doing so. Hillary isn’t dumb, but she sure looked it on this occasion.

  • Be Gin

    I did not think that Ms. Clinton could be this silly.

    What on earth was she thinking by trying to say anything nice about Nancy Reagan? That was a total waste of time.

    Saying nothing was the only sensible approach. Sure the wing nuts would hassle her for saying nothing but it would end there.

    Saying anything only created a vulnerability for which she now must pay too high a price.

    • Pinkham’s Law

      Saying nice things about people you hate is a necessary part of Statecraft. This is one of the reasons that thoughtful people cringe at the idea of Trump representing the USA internationally.

      • kaw143

        I mean, I suppose she was a great leader and stuff, but I prefer leaders who don’t die.

      • CT

        There’s blowing smoke up a persons ass, and basically white washing one of the more horrific things the Reagan administration perpetuated. She could have said her work with Alzheimer’s, and no one would have batted an eye.

        • Pinkham’s Law

          Uh, yeah. I was not defending the statement itself. I was responding to a person who was denigrating her for saying anything “nice.” There’s a more than slight difference.

  • Pecker Rider of Pern

    The important thing is all the Reagan voters she just picked up…talking about the importance of the fight against AIDS. It makes sense on so many levels!

  • Well, if that’s the dumbest thing she ever said, I can live with it (while acknowledging that 1.) it was really, really dumb and 2.) people that are old enough to remember the Reagan administration and/or people more personally affected than I have been by HIV/AIDS and the massive government under reaction to it have a right to feel as angry/offended as they like). I’m glad she apologized and corrected herself. I know there will be consequences for that, too, but personally, I’m sick to death of politicians doubling down on the dumb and wrong things they say or do – probably to avoid being accused of flip-flopping or “letting their real feelings slip” or whatever – instead of just admitting that they were dumb and wrong and trying to be smarter and righter going forward. I can forgive an instance of dumb and wrong. I can’t forgive clinging to dumbness and wrongness long past the time when it becomes obvious that they’re dumb and wrong.

    • DemmeFatale

      I lost my best friend in 1985.
      I will never forget the terrifying silence of Reagan.
      I will always think of him as a murderer.
      I will never forgive him.
      I will forgive her.

  • Be Gin

    That reminds me- I have to make sure to add “pissing on Nancy’s Grave” to my itinerary for this summers vacation.

    • manndan

      Make sure to stop at the nearest brewpub beforehand so that you’ll have enough for Ronnie’s grace.

    • Markuserektus

      I’ve driven on her husband’s freeway. That’s about it.

    • blaid droog

      When it comes to putting your dick to good use, they be a whole buncha dicks graves what could use a good pissing upon.

      • Jonny On Maui

        I wonder if Be Gin would accept er, ‘samples’ to be added to the mix…

    • Antimassacree

      She and her Ronnie will be side by side. Make it a twofer.

      • Be Gin

        LOL – Done!

  • elpinche

    Fuck Nancy Reagan in her skull hole !!

    https://youtu.be/MIMShY9dSds

    • Major_Major_Major

      I loathed Nancy on a personal level, but despised Ronnie…https://youtu.be/amTAIjhUjDk

      • edith prickly

        Jello Biafra for president!

        • DemmeFatale

          He’s my nephew’s godfather(!)
          Hard to think of that name in a mundane context.
          (It’s so weird to hear someone say something like “Jello called.”)

          Punk the Vote!

  • Bitter Scribe

    It’s instructive that when Hillary gets in trouble, it’s for being too nice to someone.

    • CT

      She didn’t get shit on for being “nice”. She got shit on for saying something so horrifically tone deaf, that she HAD to apologize. My Aunt passed away from AIDS in 1993, and I can definitely blame that on Reagan in particular, and dumb ass homophobes in general.

    • elpinche

      Considering Killary had Scalia murdered with a GOD DAMN MEMORY FOAM PILLOW, I say things are even.

      • church bennington

        oh yes , she and Obama had Both Scalia and Nancy killed because a sickly smoker with heart problems in his 80’s and a woman in her 90’s never die of natural causes/old age..Twas THE FOAM PILLOW WHAT DONE THEM IN!

  • Major_Major_Major

    Completely OT,but Startalk is on Netflix. I kindly invite you all to grab an adult beverage of choice or roll/pack the herb of choice, and join me in existentially Netflix and chilling.

    • Biff52

      I listen 5 days a week on XM 121.

      • Major_Major_Major

        The teevee version is on Netflix. O wish it was on local radio (or that I knew about it on local radio). Neil is amazingly entertaining for how smart he is. I have had the opportunity to attend classes and seminars from giants in my field, and most are nowhere near as eloquent as NDGT.

    • elpinche

      The only thing that could ever interrupt me smoking herb while listening to the Warren G discography whilst “watching” BigNaturals 4, is Startalk !!

    • Shoto

      Go Dr. Neil DT…

    • Zyxomma

      I love the good doctor, but I’m not a Netflix subscriber. I get DVDs from the library, and watch Neil online.

      • Major_Major_Major

        I have to admit that Netflix is one expense I am glad to pay. The original content alone is worth the cost (mostly). I was on the verge of canceling before Arrested Development (new episodes), Daredevil, and Jessica Jones. Yes, I am a superhero fanboy.

        • Zyxomma

          I’m a huge Krysten Ritter fan, and am eager to see Jessica Jones. I doubt that it will be as enjoyable as Don’t Trust the B_____ in Apt. 23, but I can dream. Anticipating the DVD release.

          • Major_Major_Major

            It was great. It epitomizes why I always liked marvel comics with the flawed and human heroes. She does a great job, and you should enjoy it very much, both for her and the story.

  • kath1y

    Ah, yes, let’s all defend the Clintons from the wicked gay people.

    Or, hey, let’s never mind that.

    The big news of the day is that Trump thinks his protestors are all Bernie people! Don’t know if it’s true, but sounds like a win to me. Yay Bernie people!

    • Major_Major_Major

      I can only speak for me, but I don’t see that anyone is defending the Clinton’s, Hillary fucked up, and in a way that hit a raw nerve for a lot of people. She realized she fucked up, and apologized like a common person what fucked up.
      The Drumpfenputch, that’s a little harder to explain my reactions. I despise the rhetoric of his rallies. But, as much as I would like to dickpunch him with votes on a personal level, the orange hued monkey fuck has a constitutional right to talk his shyte. I have counterprotested the Klan, and I hate the fact that people feel that way. I would rather them be open about it so I know who the jackholes are, than to have them subvert progress with us unaware of their complicity.

  • cousin itt

    Listen, I have to respect Nancy’s blow jobs. I mean, Bill is the ultimate connoisseur here and after Monica, I just had to double-down and learn from the pros.

  • Beulah

    OT: I’m going to share a fantasy. I don’t know if this is even feasible, but here’s an election scenario I’d like to see.

    First, little Marco beats Trump in Florida by a razor thin margin. So thin, in fact, that Trump sees fit to contest the outcome. After a week or so of front page vitriol and debasement among the warring camps, the issue is finally settled with Rubio getting all of Florida’s delegates. This is enough to keep him in the running even though he doesn’t stand a chance of getting the nomination.

    Because of the split among three candidates, Trump doesn’t have enough delegates to secure the nomination so the Republican establishment decides to install the lesser of two evils, Ted Cruz. Trump is furious, as are his supporters, and deciding that the RNC has violated the terms of the agreement, he chooses to go rogue and run as a third party candidate taking 35% of the Republican voters with him.

    Meanwhile, the Democrats just hang back and watch the alpha baboons of two bitter factions cast aside the last remaining shreds of their dignity as they destroy one another in every available forum. A guy can dream, right?

    • Jonny On Maui

      Works for me.

      Quite well…

    • Shoto

      “…two bitter factions cast aside the last remaining shreds of their dignity…”

      Wait: Do you mean to say that they didn’t already accomplish this objective a long time ago? I must’ve missed a buncha details along the way. I should prolly throttle back on the airplane glue for awhile…

    • blaid droog

      This is how big dog won. What is Ross Perot doing these days??

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Actually, the Perot vote was split about 50/50 for Big Dog or Poppy. This is reflected in the Electoral College results…Perot didn’t have that great an impact.

  • Derpina Assdefender

    Well. We should commend her for trying to be nice. But we should also call her out on the fact she is being endorsed by PP and HRC (this is the first time these organisations have endorsed a candidate in a primary, I could be mistaken though) and it solely has to do with the close ties between Hillary and the bord of these organisations. She’s smart and she has a huge network around her. I’m just not sure she is the best candidate to endorse right now.

    • Jennifer R

      The HRC has a serious trans problem (we exist) and is firmly part of the old guard.

      • Jonny On Maui

        It’s true that HRC is part of our political heritage, she’s been around the block. She’s in the pocket of pharma, energy, finance and all the other players.
        She’s also adaptive and responding, has to be to survive this long.
        I’m glad Bernie’s still in this thing. It’s keeping her to the left of where her backers would like her.

        • Derpina Assdefender

          People who change opinions based on facts are great but Hillary Clinton has flip flopped on every major issue when the tide is turning. I could never vote for a candidate like that. I want someone who cares deeply about the issues affecting me and average people. Not someone who plays the political game to gain something out of it.

          • Jonny On Maui

            I would much rather have someone who can move with the tide, adapt to change (HRC) than any loonie that rails against the tide, anti-change (insert repub here).

            Course the best choice, IMHO, is the guy drinkin’ on the beach, Bernie…

          • cleos_mom

            So who are you planning to vote for in November?

            If you’re a Sanders supporter, will you vote for Clinton should she get the nomination, or just go ahead and vote for Cruz or Trump?

          • Derpina Assdefender

            I can’t vote since I’m not an American citizen.

          • MissNomer

            Bernie voted for gun maker immunity; now he’s against it. He called marijuana a gateway drug; now he’s for legalization. He was against gay marriage in 2006; now he’s for it. He said it would be hypocritical of him to run as a Democrat; now he’s running as a Democrat. He said “no Super PACs;” now he has Super PACs. He said “no pollsters;” now he has pollsters. He said he’d run a clean campaign; he’s been caught violating campaign laws several times (that we know of).

        • Jennifer R

          Human Rights Campaign HRC not Hillary Roddam Clinton HRC.

          • Jonny On Maui

            I hate it when I lose acronym bingo.

            Sorry ’bout that…

          • Jennifer R

            Yeah I realized when i was first typing the post that there were two HRCs that could be the subject.

      • Derpina Assdefender

        I’ve heard that as well. Has Hillary Clinton ever come out in support of trans rights? I just find it extremely odd that HRC would endorse Hillary. I have never seen her as a progressive when it comes to civil rights or before her time. She campaigned for her husband in the 90’s and was proud to be raised conservative and to have been a Goldwater girl.

        I’m not trying to present Bernie as a man in the sky but he was attending pride parades in the 80’s….he was definitely before his time. I feel like he doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

        • The Wanderer

          Fun story: My Girlfriend du jour and I were out driving a few years ago when we saw a car that had a Human Rights Campaign bumper sticker. She tsked and opined that the owner of the car had put the 9/11 (drink!) sticker on sideways.

        • MissNomer

          Hilary was the first FLOTUS to march in a pride parade.

        • zanzibar_buckbuck_mcfate

          She advocated for trans protection while SoS and has said directly that trans people deserve rights and protection. So she’s good on that front.

  • blaid droog

    Eight years ago, more or less, a large number of people said fuck no we don’t want hilz because 8 years of bill were more than enuff. Somehow she thinks the nomination belongs to her because god damn it the DNC and debbie hyphen what a shit promised her she could be the next prez. She ain’t as smart as she’s spozed to be. Why the fuck should we be sucked in by her after her time already passed her ass by. The DNC supports blue dogs every election cycle. We don’t owe her shit. A fucking trained monkey could beat that freak trump. If he wins, this suck ass country will get exactly what it deserves.

    • Jonny On Maui

      Eight years ago a savvy junoir senator used a new communication tool to unleash a wave of voters like never before, blowing away the established democratic machine. HRC was caught in the blast zone.

      I’ll be right up front. HRC pricks my mommy issues, and I’ve got some duzzies, like no other. But, I’m rational enough, therapied enough, and medicated enough to still believe she’s a better choice than any republican.

      • The Wanderer

        As a registered Republican, I agree. Hillary Clinton’s better than any GOP candidate. Also, too, Bernie Sanders.

    • Roni Raven

      I beg to differ.

      If he wins, many of us in this country who are horrified by him and didn’t vote for him, will get shit we never deserved.

      • cleos_mom

        Who is “he”? The “fucking trained monkey”?

    • cousin itt

      Chill, dude. Dems win, we win.

    • Mr Corrections

      Yes, the most popular living president and his popular time in office was what undid Hillary.

      Wait, what?

    • JD Mulvey

      Why is it that the female Presidential candidate is the only one who’s not allowed to WANT the job of President?

      • cleos_mom

        And of course it would be “Bill’s third term” — her being such a submissive little wifey and all, no way would she even try to govern.

        And how many of us can ever forget the seemingly endless horror that was the 1990s?

  • Roni Raven

    Just as a little thought experiment, I read about this and substituted George W. Bush’s name for Clinton’s.

    Initial reaction: WTF? How stupid can you be? Fucking dumbass fuck moronic fuck fuck ad infinitum

    [GWB apologizes]

    OK, I’ll give him credit, he realized his fuck-up, owned it, and apologized for it.

    /thought experiment

    I concluded I don’t understand why so many are willing to bite Hillary’s ass off over this. She said A Dumb, she took responsibility that it was indeed A Dumb, and she apologized for saying A Dumb.

    On another topic, as an old I remember the Reagan years, and I have never forgotten a dream I had at the time:

    For some reason I got to go to the White House and meet the President, and I was surprised that he seemed to be such a nice and congenial man considering the cruelty of his policies.

    We were in the Oval Office and he started bragging to me about how well organized his files were and how proud he was of this, and did I want to see them?

    I really didn’t but he had been so nice and it was clear he really wanted me to say yes so I did.

    And he opened the file drawer and there were all these neatly labeled file folders, but every one, instead of holding papers, was filled with slices of cheese.

    I was horrified but he looked so proud and clearly wanted praise so I assured him that those were some impressive well-organized files all right.

    /dream sequence

    Years later when he was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, I wasn’t a bit surprised. My unconscious had to have picked up on something to come up with that dream.

    • The Wanderer

      It’s astounding, is it not, to so many people to discover that political candidates are actually human, and not robots or the Lizard People of Frammistat IV?
      Fun fact: “Candidate” comes the Latin candida, or bright. Office-seekers in the old Republic used to wear pure white togas to emphasize their moral and ethical purity when canvassing for votes.

    • Doug Langley

      So you knew from the beginning that he was a cheesy President?

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      • Mr Corrections

        I had no idea the ass meat trade was so lucrative!

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  • thatdamnbob

    facts gathered from reading today: Cheisea’s first employment was a 100,000 dollar job at Goldman Sachs, Chelsea’s husband is head of a hedge fund at Goldman Sachs, two bankers from Goldman Sachs j were in the State Department with Hilary, one was assistant Sec of Defense, the other was Under Sec of Defense, and then there are those 3 speeches at 225,000 a pop. Hillary’s plan for jobs growth: No public sector policies, just tax incentives (tax cuts) for corporations so that they will invest in jobs (Corporations use their profits not for job growth, but for stock buybacks, which only further enrishes the top 1%. And then there was that whole pandering to Reagan Democrats at Nancy Reagan’s funeral by exating the compassion that wasn’t. Just to wink at those Republicans who don’t want Trump, to let them know she’s a safe bet. And the continued lies about Bernie Sanders. It is important to have an informed electorate, not one who is swayed by deceptive propaganda.

    • cousin itt

      We now have low unemployment. Just as Obama promised. What we do not have is a growth in real income for the middle class. That is where we should ask of our political leaders how they see the income growing.

      • Sterculius

        They see their income and the income of their rich friends growing quite nicely. Unemployment does drop when people give up and stop looking for work. Oh, but then there are all of those part-time minimum wage jobs, yeah.

    • Mr Corrections

      Um, Chelsea’s first job wasn’t with Goldman Sachs; in fact, as far as I can see she’s never worked for them. I don’t think most of the rest of what you wrote is accurate either.

      • Sterculius

        Her husband’s father spent five years in prison for stealing $10 million from investors, and her husband is another hedge fund parasite, so she doesn’t really need a job:

        http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/business/dealbook/for-clintons-a-hedge-fund-in-the-family.html

        • Mr Corrections

          Ah, so she married into hereditary guilt, and then retro-infected her mother. I see. But what does that have to do with Goldman Sachs?

          • Dr. Krieger IRL

            Hereditary guilt works for how most right-wing Christians view the Jews.

          • Mr Corrections

            Also too the Catholics and their ancestral enemies, the Catholics.

          • cousin itt

            And now, a hit new comedy show!

          • Mr Corrections

            I was thinking something more like Mad’s old Spy vs Spy comic, only called Pope vs Pope

          • Dr. Krieger IRL

            Schisms: Pope vs Pope vs Pope.

          • cousin itt

            Splitter.

          • 451 Byrnes

            Thank you! I was looking for the right way to phrase that thought!

            Edit: phrasing,,,
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2CE0DjDdVA

          • Dr. Krieger IRL

            Said Ripley to the android Bishop!

          • 451 Byrnes

            COFFEE ALL OVER MY KEYBOARD!

          • Sterculius

            You mean the Goldman Sachs that has given millions to the Clintons? The Goldman Sachs revolving door of cash and their ex-executives holding high level government positions, and then hiring the politicians in return when they leave office? That Goldman Sachs? Are you confused as to how this works?

          • Mr Corrections

            So just to get this clear, Goldman Sachs is controlling Hillary Clinton by not having anything to do with the employment of her daughter or son-in-law, who is ALSO the son of a bipolar criminal? I’m deeply confused!

          • Sterculius

            Yeah, you seem to have missed the part about millions and millions of dollars flowing from Goldman Sachs to the Clintons’ bank accounts, and that the son-in-law worked for Goldman Sachs, and that Bill Clinton’s top advisers were ex-Goldman Sachs. So you see, it is all of this money, you know, cash, from Goldman Sachs, you know, into the ol’ bank account.

          • Mr Corrections

            Do me a favour, and maybe look up some of this stuff instead of just doubling down on your conspiracy theories?

          • Sterculius

            Read the New York Times, that well known conservative conspiracy theory rag. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/business/dealbook/for-clintons-a-hedge-fund-in-the-family.html

          • Mr Corrections

            Well, it IS the paper of endless Clinton conspiracy theories that they’re having to retract. Aside from that, nothing in that article backs up any of your claims. Mezvinsky continues not to be an employee of Goldman Sachs, and Goldman Sachs is not giving “millions and millions of dollars” to the Clintons. If you have any sort of point, it’s buried under hyperbolic and outright false claims that cause me (at least) to give up reading your post one or two lines in.

          • Sterculius

            Another Clinton fanboy … the article specifically states that he worked for Goldman Sachs and that Goldman Sachs has given millions to the Clintons.

            Like Fox News, you just outright lie.

            The New York Times is the mouthpiece of the GOP. Got it.

          • Mr Corrections

            “Worked”, not “works”. The first two “facts” in your screed were outright wrong, and so were most of the others. Disagreeing with a candidate is no excuse for lying about their family.

          • Sterculius

            Goldman Sachs has given millions to the Clintons. Chelsea’s husband worked for Goldman Sachs, and then moved on to losing investor money privately. Bill put ex-Goldman Sachs executives in top cabinet positions. All facts.

            (CNN)Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, combined to earn more than $153 million in paid speeches from 2001 until Hillary Clinton launched her presidential campaign last spring, a CNN analysis shows.

            In total, the two gave 729 speeches from February 2001 until May, receiving an average payday of $210,795 for each address. The two also reported at least $7.7 million for at least 39 speeches to big banks, including Goldman Sachs and UBS, with Hillary Clinton, the Democratic 2016 front-runner, collecting at least $1.8 million for at least eight speeches to big banks.

          • Mr Corrections

            Again, the first sentence you’ve said is false. I didn’t bother reading past there since you have been told this multiple times.

          • Sterculius

            Ah yes, the New York Times, that old conservative conspiracy theory rag!
            http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/business/dealbook/for-clintons-a-hedge-fund-in-the-family.html

      • thatdamnbob

        right, thanks for pointing out, Chelsea worked at another Wall Street Investment Firm, but the rest of listed facts are facts

        • Mr Corrections

          Chelsea’s husband doesn’t appear to work for Goldman Sachs either. And most of Chelsea’s money came from when she was employed by NBC. What does any of this have to do with Hillary, btw?

          • cousin itt

            You have to add up the numbers that correspond with the letters in Hillary’s full name. Depending on whether you add in Rodham. Or just R. You will still get 666.

          • cleos_mom

            Now, why are you wasting time with facts when you could just go with creative numerology?

    • Mr Corrections

      Also, what continual lies about Bernie Sanders, while we’re on the topic?

  • Sterculius

    Hillary is still refusing to pledge to stop the TPP. Like Bill, she plays word games and will sell out working Americans in a heartbeat, just like they did with NAFTA. She is on the take from Goldman Sachs, just like most of the other candidates.

    • cousin itt

      Considering that Obama has no more fucks to give, why would he be such an ardent supporter of TPP? Sure, a skeptical wag could say that Obama might go on the speaking tour after office to earn big jack for international trade but Obama can pretty much do whatever he wants after January to earn monies. So, why is Obama in favor of TPP. Really, why is he in favor of it?

      • Sterculius

        Obama is in favor of the TPP for the same reason as most of the other politicians — powerful lobbyists. Why did he take single payer health care off the table when the Democrats had all the power? Powerful lobbyists. If you can think of any other reason for supporting an agreement negotiated in secret except for the army of corporate lawyers and lobbyists actually writing the agreement, then please do explain.

        • cousin itt

          OK, but how did or what is it about, powerful lobbyists in this case that made them successful in your view?

          • Sterculius

            Money? I mean, it might be that they are really all just very nice people looking out for the welfare of the middle class, but for some reason there seems to be a lot of money involved, going into the pockets of politicians in one form or another … you know, almost like what used to be called bribes.

          • cousin itt

            Sure. That happens, so does sunrise. But I thought your point was about President Obama and not going for single payer health.

            He’s going to support Big Health after being president?

        • Toomush_Infer

          You are dreaming about the single payer being realistically on the table ever…. the TPP has several bad aspects, a couple of good ones, and probably should be debated in the light of day (which it never will be because, duh, Republicans). But, please, be at least realistic in your assessments here…

          • Sterculius

            I am realistic that almost all politicians are bought, even the ones I like, even Democrats.

        • Guinnessmonkey

          Well, that and TPP might bind a good deal of Asia to us economically and help avert a future world war.

          It’s almost as if things are more complex than Bernie makes it out to be in his stump speech.

          • Sterculius

            Yes, NAFTA was so very, very complex, it’s hard to say whether or not it created 5 million jobs or actually destroyed millions of jobs for Americans … let’s check. Oops.

            Ah, but the TPP will save us from world war. Well, I guess that’s worth losing a few million more jobs. You don’t mind giving up your job, do you? Oh right, you are safe! Nobody can take your job. You are just too smart.

      • Joe Beese

        You still assume that Obama is a fundamentally decent person who can only be doing terrible things like drone wars and domestic spying and protecting banksters and torturers because mysterious forces compel him to. When a non-partisan observer would accept the simpler explanation that he is not a decent person and he does those terrible things because he wants to.

    • Mr Corrections

      Clinton has said she opposed the TPP. The TPP is not as scary as you think, while we’re on the topic – I’m certainly against it, but since it’s effectively just expanding an existing agreement (TPSEP) to include a couple more nations, it’s not going to be the end of the nation.

      There are more important priorities.

      • Sterculius

        Ah yes, and NAFTA wasn’t scary either, in fact, it was going to create FIVE MILLION JOBS, really good jobs, right here in America. It isn’t scary to have lobbyists write trade agreements in secret. If you read Clinton’s parsed statement, there is plenty of wiggle room. She will not pledge to stop the TPP. Remember all the worker protections in NAFTA? How did those work out?

        • Mr Corrections

          NAFTA’s effect on the US was a mix of positive and negative. It certainly wasn’t remotely as destructive as its opponents claimed. Most of the nations in the TPP, again, are already in nearly identical trade agreements with the US – the largest effect it will have is putting those nations into trade agreements with each other.

          The TPP was no more secret than any other trade agreement. The draft text was released last year.

          Again, I oppose it, but I also think they are way more important problems to deal with right now.

          • Sterculius

            You are right. NAFTA was positive for corporations increasing profits, and negative for the workers who lost their jobs and then homes. It is absurd to say that the TPP is no different from our current agreements, or that it was not negotiated secretly. It was written by lobbyists, and it is a Wall St. wish list of goodies to enrich the 1% parasite class at the expense of working American families.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’ve said everything that needs to be said. The rest is up to you!

          • Sterculius

            Just like Fox News, you have made your blatantly false points and walk away with the smug confidence that the lemmings will believe you.

          • Mr Corrections

            I hope you learn to stop making stuff up at some point; it demeans us all.

          • Sterculius

            No, it only demeans a liar like you to hear the truth.

          • Mr Corrections

            You didn’t tell the truth at any point I bothered reading up to. That was the problem.

            Please stop this now, it’s gross.

          • Sterculius

            Goldman Sachs owns the Clintons. They bought them. Hillary will do what she is told, just like Bill when he dutifully pushed NAFTA through.

          • Mr Corrections

            Three things;
            1 – No they bloody don’t. A better thing to do, rather than relying on fictional insinuations about family members and baseless conspiracy theories, would be to argue against Clinton’s actual policy positions. Of course, those positions are largely identical to Sanders’.
            2 – NAFTA has never, not for a second, been as bad as the critics said. As with Obamacare, the opposition to it is mostly rooted in ideology rather than facts. It is far – far – from perfect, but it has been better than nothing. The reason you haven’t heard much about it once it became active is because it’s very hard to claim otherwise; the reason you’re hearing about it now is that Sanders supporters are desperate and willing to make up any old statistic (did you know it cost 100 million jobs? Who would have thought that it put 2/3rds of the American workforce out of work, especially since employment rose by 30 million jobs in the decade after it became active?)
            3 – It wasn’t the Clintons who defeated Sanders, it was Sanders himself. He never courted minority voters, and the results speak for themselves: 8 out of 10 African American, and 7 out of 10 Hispanic, voters in Florida voted for Clinton. This weakness in his support base was obvious months and months ago.

            This will be the last time I bother responding to you, since you have been insulting and breathtakingly wrong.

          • Sterculius

            You are a moonbat. Just as deluded as a wingnut. Everything I said is true, and everyone knows it.

          • Mr Corrections

            As I said, I’m not particularly interested in responding to you, since you’re both insulting and utterly unable to back up any of your ridiculous claims. Have a great day!

          • Sterculius

            But you can’t help it, because you are a self-appointed hall monitor snapping at anyone who doesn’t just lub dem sum Hillz like a yappy little lapdog.

          • Mr Corrections

            And flagged.

          • Sterculius

            Cry, sniff, him gotta booboo.

          • Sterculius

            Wah!

      • I do not agree. The TPP (and associated TTIP and TISA) are VERY bad.

        http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/17732/joseph_stiglitz_on_the_trans_pacific_partnership_this_is_a_big_deal

        He (Joseph Stiglitz) explained that the content of the TPP does not emphasize the traditional concepts of trade agreements, such as lowering tariffs and increasing imports or exports. Instead, the TPP seeks to undermine regulations in sectors like food safety, medicine and intellectual property, rendering governments and the citizenry that elects them inept in their ability to meaningfully regulate those sectors.

        By entangling such provisions with an agreement on international trade, the Obama administration would open up sovereign countries to unprecedented levels of interference by multinational corporations.
        =====
        ~

  • doktorzoom

    Oh good, I’m so delighted this thread didn’t descend into another endless round of sniping at each other overnight.

    • It’s that furshlugginer ‘Spring Forward’ hour that’s got the natives all tranquil.

      • Major_Major_Major

        I’m blaming drumpfalactic shock syndrome. Other than the occasional desultory shots fired across someone’s bow, the realization has set in that either H or B are palatable compared to getting the D in November.

        • Msmlg1979

          There are a few out there who would rather see Trump burn it all down than Clinton win. One came at me on the bad debate moderation thread earlier this week. The attitude comes across as fanatical. It made me worry about the Dems being a house divided. I’m hoping it’s just a very vocal minority.

          • Toomush_Infer

            I think there’s an element of the Republican Party trolling in as Bernibros….

          • Msmlg1979

            Hope you’re right! It’s near time to come together, work with what we’ve got, and do what has to be done, even if it leaves a nasty taste in our mouths. We can’t act like common Republicans. There’s no nastier taste than Trump.

          • MarkM

            Yeah, I was looking at that exchange last night . Uncompromising fanatacism is kind of one of the reasons we’re in this mess. We don’t need circular firing squads when there are real enemies to shoot at.

          • Dr. Krieger IRL

            I much prefer pentagonal firing squads. It ups the likelihood that someone’ll live.

          • Msmlg1979

            Get those bullets moving in all the directions, Katie!

          • Major_Major_Major

            No love for the trapezoidal firing squads? The two on the long sides stand a good chance, the other two, not so much.

          • pstockholm

            Möbius. When you’ve just given up on everything and are ready to execute yourself.

          • Msmlg1979

            And where were you? I can barely defend my poor little self, and you left me all alone! ;)

          • MarkM

            I have to work sometimes sweetie. Besides, your ability to take care of yourself without a man around is one of your most attractive qualities…:-)

          • Msmlg1979

            Stop using my susceptibility to flattery against me! Fucking kryptonite. Wait, no..don’t.

          • MarkM

            Don’t worry-I’m not going to stop stating facts…:-)

          • Msmlg1979

            If I had any shame, I’d blush, but I don’t, so I’ll just preen and giggle. This is what happens when I reveal chinks in my armor!

          • MarkM

            Did I ever tell you how adorable you are when you preen and giggle?

          • Msmlg1979

            Ok. Now I’m in full-out melted-kneecaps swoon mode. I have reached peak eyelash batting adorableness. You opportunistic man, you!

          • MarkM

            Putty in my hands…

          • Msmlg1979

            I can’t even stand myself!!

          • Major_Major_Major

            I can understand being passionate about your candidate, I am all for Bernie. I just find unreasoning fanatacism to be very off-putting, and realize that I can live with Hillary, especially if my option is a theocrat or a mendacious, self-fellating plutocrat.

          • Msmlg1979

            Exactly. Passion is good. I wish we had more opportunities to feel truly passionate and hopeful about our candidates. Sometimes the only choice we have is to accept the world as it IS, while we work toward the world we want to see. Nothing happens overnight. Inflexibility is good in some situations, not so much in others.

          • DemmeFatale

            That troll was an asshole.

      • Steely_Fan

        Points for Mad magazine reference “furshlugginer.” I haven’t heard that one in decades!

    • I just got here!
      ~

      • Jenny

        Me too!

    • Msgr_Moment

      Daily Savings Time. Most of us sprang six hours behind.

    • cynmac

      I can’t wait for Deleted Comments this week.

  • Antimassacree

    Oh man, what time is it? Hate ‘spring ahead day.’

    • Toomush_Infer

      Hey! I love it. It’s the only thing they could give young Georgie to expand on his own without fucking up some foreign country, and tonight in MI it won’t get dark until after 7:30, so the whole day unfolds before us….

    • Msmlg1979

      My internal clock goes haywire!

    • Dr. Krieger IRL

      I like the Fall Back guy. Give him a raise, but fire the Spring Forward guy.

      • Msgr_Moment

        IK,R? Spring is when you’d want an extra hour, and Autumn is when you just want to get it the fuck over with.

    • I just realized: This puts us ONE WHOLE HOUR closer to the conventions and the general election than we thought we had.

      EVERYBODY PANIC!

      • Antimassacree

        Not helping.

    • cleos_mom

      And it would be soggy and foggy here this morning/

    • Beulah

      Two points I’d like to make:
      1) Those of us who have lived in a location that doesn’t do DST know how wonderful it is not to have to reset a dozen clocks along with our own body clock every six months.
      2) The number of hours between sunrise and sunset is unaffected by where we set our clocks. DST accomplishes nothing.

      • MarkM

        Absolutely right. Here is a link to a CBC story on DST I found interesting:

        http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/daylight-saving-business-energy-1.3485281

        • Beulah

          Well that certainly sheds some light on the topic!

      • blaid droog

        Google this yourself, if you are doubtful. A retail lobby group mostly representing convenience stores keeps this shit going. People start spending earlier in the day.

    • Msgr_Moment

      So, what did everyone else do put off doing because of the extra purloined hour?

      • Antimassacree

        Waking up.

      • MarkM

        Sleeping….:-(

    • Shoto

      Stupid daylight saving time is stupid.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br0NW9ufUUw

      • Antimassacree

        Damn you Kaiser Wilhelm! My ancestors fled your country rather than be conscripted into your army and you take your revenge by screwing with my circadian rhythm twice a year. You just made my list of graves to piss on.

    • DemmeFatale

      So true.
      My girls used to call this “the bad one.”
      But my dogs, who are exquisitely tuned to getting their food at 5:00, will be happily surprised.
      The other, (fall back) is MUCH harder for them.

    • blaid droog

      Does anybody really care. If so I can’t imagine why. We’ve all got time enough to cry.

  • This is when I’m really glad I never said anything stupid and wrong in my entire life and had to retract it and apologize. I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

    • Msgr_Moment

      Damn. And I thought I was the only one. Well done, sir, well done.

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    • diogenez

      People who are applying for the job of president need to be a little smarter about the things that they say in a public forum. As someone who has been campaigning for the better part of 40 years, Hillary really should be better at this.

      Is she going to make mistakes? Sure. Should we refrain from criticizing her when mistakes (especially easily avoided and egregious errors) occur? No way. No candidate should be given carte blanche.

      • JD Mulvey

        And someday if Bernie ever says something stupid I hope you’ll remember to apply the same standard.

        • SDGeoff

          Pretty big “if.”

          • JD Mulvey

            “White people don’t know what it’s like to be poor.”

          • JD Mulvey

            Still waiting for SDGoff and toomanyrappers to admit that their candidate said a stupid… Or is your standard of integrity only something other people need to meet?

          • diogenez

            You’ve gotten the quote wrong, though either way it’s stupid.

            Here’s what Bernie really said: “When you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto.”

            This isn’t a game, by the way. This isn’t about scoring the next point against Hillary or against Bernie. It’s about running a smart and decent campaign.

          • JD Mulvey

            The quote continues past the ghetto comment.

            I expect that when Bernie’s supporters demand things of others, they should maintain the same standards for themselves. These guys declared that he never says anything stupid.

            Her comment was an innocuous attempt to be gracious toward a dead person. His was about a fundamental misunderstanding of poverty and race in this country. Yet she apologizes and he doesn’t. There’s nothing decent about that.

          • diogenez

            You know, the fact that people are debating whether or not her remarks were intentional or not speaks VOLUMES about her politically calculating nature. I’m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she continues to make thing more difficult to feel good about voting for her, if she is the eventual nominee.

          • JD Mulvey

            Alright, now that we both know that your claims about what Bernie said are demonstrably incorrect, we’re suddenly back to the default: She’s so calculating, and because she’s so calculating the lie about her has validity even though it’s a lie.

            Great…

            Are we on FOX News now?

            Show me a Presidential candidate who doesn’t have this “calculating nature” that you despise so much. If that’s a disqualifier then I expect it to be a disqualifier for the other candidates too (ie, all of them, including Bernie Sanders).

            And I won’t even get into the implicit sexism in this bizarre standard that you only apply to her. Ahh fuck, yes I will… Calculating, ambitious, slimy… You really need to think about the double standard that you and the Republicans –and now the Bernie Bros who repeat them –have applied to HRC for the past two decades.

          • diogenez

            You know, your comments would be offensive, if they weren’t so absurd. My comments are sexist because I called Hillary calculating? I didn’t call ALL women calculating and I didn’t even say that she was the only candidate who operates this way. Give me a fucking break.

            If I wanted to be attacked with sneering insinuation and sweeping generalizations, I would hang out on the Weekly Standard.

            You are rude and an insufferable bore and I’m done talking to you.

          • JD Mulvey

            Ooooh, you’re done talking to me? I’m so crushed. Keep peddling your pathetic brand of sexism and you’ll keep looking like an ignorant clod. The women in your life must love you.

          • diogenez

            Honestly, I don’t think I’m sexist, but I plan to ask my female friends, because I could be wrong. You should see how many of your friends think that you’re an asshole.

          • JD Mulvey

            I thought you were done talking to me because I’m every name in the book?

            Judging from your style of conversation here I’ll speculate that perhaps your female friends tell you you’re not a sexist because they fear the consequences of telling you the truth.

          • diogenez

            I am attempting to be self-reflective and to be open to the possibility that I may be wrong.

            You should try it some time.

          • JD Mulvey

            I often have perfectly civil and thoughtful conversations. And when confronted by trolls I’m perfectly comfortable telling them what pathetic little shits they are.

          • diogenez

            I hate to burst your bubble pal, but I have not engaged in trollish behaviour. I even acknowledged your point above, though I suspect that your were so eager to take offense, that you misunderstood what I even said.

            I AGREED with you that what Bernie said was stupid.

            This horrid Bernie/Hillary sniping is counter-productive and is no way to keep the White House out of GOP hands in November.

          • JD Mulvey

            To where should I mail your medal?

          • diogenez

            Just go back to charm school. We will all thank you.

          • JD Mulvey

            You want charm, don’t be a troll. It’s really pretty simple, asshole.

          • diogenez

            I have yet to resort to name calling. It’s the last resort of bores and the inarticulate.

          • JD Mulvey

            Your lack of self-awareness is exceeded only by your complete dickwadishness.

          • diogenez

            Articulate…..

          • diogenez

            Eight years ago, Hillary’s supporters trotted out the same tired charged of sexism against Obama supporters who dared criticize her.

            Here is a news flash: Hillary and Bernie and all of the idiots on the GOP side are APPLYING for a job – arguably the most important job in the world. We owe it to them, to our country, and to our future, to criticize and ask tough questions of all of them. Too much is at stake.

          • toomanyrappers

            Sure. He didn’t take the time to acknowledge white poor people. I’m not going to argue.

            Predominantly white poor areas don’t get a name, do they? They are tucked in rural areas and neglected suburbs across the country. And, there is certainly no shortage of white folks that are struggling.

            Yep. Sanders seems to have referenced places like Atlanta, Detroit, Kansas City, Chicago, and St Louis. You’re right, that’s not a complete picture of poverty in this country.

            Ok.

            Ultimately, I think Sanders has a better platform to help everyone. Looking at the Clintons, their legacy includes missteps that made things worse.

            Does Sanders still picture the white privilege that dominated in his youth? Seems plausible.

            The disappearing middle class and evaporating white privilege (outside of upper classes of earners) go hand in hand. Taking manufacturing jobs away from white men, substituting low paying service jobs, and expanding the workforce puts white men in a tough situation by definition. Sanders didn’t acknowledge that in his quote. Yuppers.

            And, here’s where we arrive at a nasty contradiction: Sanders is only for white men, but he doesn’t acknowledge poor white people (including men).

            I can’t answer what that means.

            I still think Clinton’s neoliberal agenda is bad for everyone. So, my vote won’t change.

          • JD Mulvey

            Yay, we’ve finally gotten to the grand conclusion, which is that everybody sometimes says things that aren’t exactly reflective of what they think. Now let’s untangle why that’s the problem of the century only when Hillary Clinton does it.

          • toomanyrappers

            Apples and oranges. Average straight white people aren’t discriminated against in the same way as black people or gay people.

            And, here’s where you hit a crossroads. Is racism over? Are gays equal now? What do think?

            Did Reagan hurt and kill gay people–and does it matter?

            Ultimately, does the fact that Sanders didn’t acknowledge white people in one quote tantamount to Clinton revising history on AIDS?

            No.

            Clinton didn’t fail to completely acknowledge a problem in a sound bite, she completely revised history. Even worse, she did it reaching out to Reagan voters–that the LGBT community hates. With the Dixiecrats sucessfully exorcised, maybe white Democrats don’t mind reaching out to poor black folks.

            Here’s an insult to poor white people. https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/432569/father-f-hrer

          • toomanyrappers

            Anyone that upfists your false equivalence says that:

            Undervaluing white people’s knowledge of living in hopeless poverty is the same as dismissing the lives of gay men that died while the Reagans did nothing.

            White people that suddenly discovered they couldn’t find a good paying manufacturing job (and got stuck in a service economy) over the last two generations. Curious thing about that middle class American dream, it was for whites only.

            There’s certainly more truth to Sanders’ claim.

            Also, he answered a difficult question in a debate. Clinton didn’t have to say a word about AIDS

            Sorry. Not all gaffes are equal.

            These are not the same.

          • Um, the fact that he didn’t acknowledge poor white people isn’t the only problem with his statement. His wording there also implied that all black people are poor and live in ghettos.

            Now, before you jump on me I don’t believe for a minute that he actually thinks that. These candidates are in the middle of a heated primary,.they’re constantly on the spot, and they’re probably tired. Anyone can mispeak, and I don’t believe that anyone who’s been paying attention to Bernie thinks that he was intentionally implying that the only black experience worth mentioning is “poor” and “ghetto”. Nor do I think that he’s unaware of poor white people.

            But I also don’t think any honest person can look at Hillary’s record and platform and decide that she doesn’t care about AIDS because she said something dumb about Nancy Reagan (probably while flailing about for something nice to say about the woman). I do think it was good that people called her on it,and I also think that it’s good that she apologized and corrected herself quickly rather than doubling down on it or blowing it off – especially since I’m sure she knew by that point she was damned either way. The same people that wouldn’t forgive her for saying it are the ones that will accuse her of flip flopping or pandering for walking it back. Given that once she said it, there was really nothing she could do to make a lot of people forgive her for it, admitting she was wrong and apologizing suggests to me a genuine desire to try to make it right.

            I don’t know what else she could do. Unlike the Reagans, she didn’t actually kill any AIDS patients. She said something dumb. What can you do about that other than apologize, set the record straight, and do better going forward. That’s all Bernie can do about his dumb statement too. I see nothing to really be gained by raking either of them over the coals for it, or never forgiving them for it. But if one is unforgivable, I don’t see why the other should be excused.

          • toomanyrappers

            Not all gaffes are created equal.

            White people already seem to understand that Sanders backs them economically. Maybe that’s why it didn’t sting. Also, Sanders was obtuse enough to make everyone else uncomfortable. Clinton wasn’t rattled and we weren’t either.

            Maybe she has a trust problem.

          • JD Mulvey

            Which identifies the real difference beween the two gaffes: Bernie’s was stupid, but it fell off the radar almost immediately. His supporters will beat the drum about Hillary’s gaffe from now till the end times. Only she can never be forgiven.

          • toomanyrappers

            “I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. … So I take umbrage at anyone who might suggest that those of us who worry about amending the Constitution are less committed to the sanctity of marriage, or to the fundamental bedrock principle that it exists between a man and a woman, going back into the mists of history as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization.” – Hillary Clinton

        • toomanyrappers

          When does your campaign start?

  • sohadicouldsplit

    Thank You to all the haters and trolls that served to expose their true characters in this thread. Many heroes have fallen. None have but themselves to blame. I’ll gaysplain for you:

    Hillary didn’t “mis-speak”, she created a false narrative. There was no mere falter of mistakenly saying word “a”, in this case AIDS, instead of another “a” word, Alzheimers in the course of her elastic, timeline-free tribute. Such an mistake could easily, and believably, be attributed to campaign/ Media fatigue, and the blithe acceptance of an apology would have been appropriate, as many here seem to insist this incident should be. But this verbal grift, cynically calculated to entice homo-haters from the Reagan camp into her own, backfired organically. She didn’t say a dumb thing. She did a dumb thing. And she’s O.K. with that, judging by her lame-as-fuck, non-apology– the very same kind we routinely excoriate Republicans for giving– which extends her false narration and Reagan complimenting for the bulk of it, then quickly forgives herself by lying about her intention, followed thinly by “i’m sorry”.

    Two-faced breeders that could give any fucks about a (whole) bunch of long dead fags– and those of us still living who, what?– can’t get over it? Or forget the Reagan’s role in all of it?– are always and unfortunately, the rule and not the exception. Still. That shit’s all over this thread. Bullies are upvoted!! The subject of the conversation– what she said– was transparently hijacked into a “not even wrong” diversion to “you just hate Hillary!!1!!11” screech! If there’s one thing hypocrisy can’t do, it’s stay on subject, but I’m quite sure that’s a feature, not a bug.

    So carry on Mighty Cognitive Disassociates! And continue construcing your own false narratives that won’t include:

    Dead fags
    Libya i.e. “We came, we saw, he died. Hee hee.”
    “I urged my husband to bomb.”
    Iraq
    Walmart
    Honduras

    and any other facts that are stupid things, whether past, present or future occurring. Somewhere, a psychopath Thanks You.

    • Iam Reading

      She is just triangulating like a common, power hungry clinton

    • JD Mulvey

      So glad to see that there’s one person left who cares about stuff. You are truly a hero, with your commenting and your swearwords and your contempt. When’s your campaign begin? You’ll surely have the non-voter voting block sewn up.

      • toomanyrappers

        You just did the same thing; using your own logic, you need to STFU and run for office.

        Oh wait… Only you are allowed to use that bullshit fallacy.

        ;) Sorry.

        • JD Mulvey

          What “fallacy”?

          Oh and PS, I’ll match your “STFU” and raise you: “Go fuck yourself, dickhead.”

          • toomanyrappers

            So glad to see that there’s one person left who cares about stuff. You are truly a hero, with your commenting and your swearwords and your contempt. When’s your campaign begin?

          • JD Mulvey

            Oh it’s right here, now… My campaign is all about online commenting, which I believe to be the highest form of political activism.

          • toomanyrappers

            Yes. Social media gives people a voice. Your comment backfired.

            http://www.fire-end.com/graphics/how2use.jpg

          • JD Mulvey

            Great to see Bernie’s most peabrained followers are letting their freak flag fly today. Good thing none of you will be voting in November.

          • toomanyrappers

            There it is. There’s the Republican in you.

          • JD Mulvey

            You can troll better than that.

          • toomanyrappers

            Yep.

          • JD Mulvey

            Asked and answered. Try to keep up.

          • toomanyrappers

            Let’s examine your shitty logic.

            Poisoning the well
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

            Appeal to Accomplishment
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_accomplishment

            When does you campaign start? You can’t possibly comment unless you run for office! ;)

            Did you think it was clever when your girl lost her shit and used this same fallacy? Did you really think that scored points? Is that where you got the idea?

          • JD Mulvey

            You haven’t got a clue. You’ve spent the last two days saying the most scathing and unsupported things about anybody who doesn’t support your candidate.

            Now when people don’t roll over and die at your command, and (gasp!) they dish your stupid fuckwaddery back at you, they’re “poisoning the well.”

            You aren’t competent to play in this game, and every silly attempt to prove otherwise just reinforces it.

          • toomanyrappers

            So, you double down on the attacking fallacies. Great.

          • JD Mulvey

            Yep, doubling down on you not having a clue. Safest bet I ever made.

      • uniquename72

        Don’t you have a Hillary video to go beat off to?

        • JD Mulvey

          Maybe. Do you have a Hitler Youth rally to go to?

    • SDGeoff

      Deep, sincere thanks for this post.

    • Mr Sincere

      What a ridiculous theory. I don’t think we’re going to see any “homo-haters for Hillary” campaign committee anytime soon. As if the homo-haters don’t already hate her guts…

  • cleos_mom

    Call me an overaged slacker, but I never had a flying fuck to give about anything Nancy Reagan said.

    • edith prickly

      Imma leave this here as the last word on Nancy Reagan: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TB-qTaXSM

      • LarkintheAM

        O.M.G!!!!!! There is another person who’s heard of Mojo Nixon!!! Love his stuff. :-D

  • Jenny

    Money makes the world go round. It’s like a whole generation just now figured that out, when it’s been the national ethos since…always.

  • azeyote
  • Bill Slider

    Next time Hillary speaks about Dead Nancy Reagan, she should stick to the facts and comment about the dead lady’s White House China with all of the red color. Red contains more lead than any other color, or so I have been told. That would make the Reagan china the deadliest of all White House chinas.

    • Tansy Geek

      I like the idea of chart depicting the levels of lethality of various White House china services. The saucers in Dolly Madison’s tea service doubled as throwing stars.

  • diogenez

    I have watched the Trump campaign in amazement and horror, wondering
    which absurd or outrageous statement will finally be too much for his
    supporters, only to conclude that many Trump supporters will excuse
    anything that he does.

    Shouldn’t we be better than that?

    Let’s not minimize Hillary’s mistake – I’ve just read her own statement in
    which she acknowledges the confusion and hurt that she has caused with
    her bizarre remarks.

    Hillary apologists are not doing their candidate any favors – she needs to learn from her mistakes; learning can occur in dialogue, and not by attacking her critics or by minimizing her mistakes.

    • toomanyrappers

      Hi!

      • SDGeoff

        Yup.

        • JD Mulvey

          Well, certainly that photo is airtight logical proof that Bernie was an essential player in the healthcare reform effort in the 90s. QED!

          • SDGeoff

            The congressional record may be of more assistance to you, hun. Now take your mancrush on Hillary and register some voters. You’re wasting too much time.

          • JD Mulvey

            As if you sit around reading the Congressional Record from 30 years ago before commenting on Wonkette. Jesus you’re a dickwad.

          • SDGeoff

            Well, if you’re interested in what really happened, why don’t you check it out? Who’s the dickwad here?
            See ya. It’s brunch time in SoCal.

          • JD Mulvey

            So you truly are claiming that you read the Congressional Record.

            I thought it was just hyperbole, but now I realize it’s a flat out lie.

          • SDGeoff

            https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record
            Sorry, no pictures; the print is a little small.

          • JD Mulvey

            You’ve now proven that the Congressional Record exists. Must mean all your other inane claims are also true.

          • Tansy Geek

            I did learn an interesting thing from that link. One Senator voted against an Addiction and Recovery Act bill. 94 voted in favor and the rest were on the campaign trail or getting chemo (or maybe recovering).
            Some asshat from Nebraska felt that addiction was not necessarily some best addressed by the federal government. As opposed to subsidies for ethanol.
            I had to google a little to find the last part.

          • Beulah

            How about Hillary’s hand written note to Sanders thanking him for his support? It’s right there in the photograph. I haven’t checked the kerning, of course.

          • JD Mulvey

            Being gracious certainly is a sign of weakness. You and Bernie would never do such a thing.

          • Beulah

            Yes, it’s real gracious of her to claim Sanders was absent when she was working on health care reform in the 90s. Perhaps she can issue an apology tonight saying she misspoke.

          • JD Mulvey

            I see. Repeatedly calling her a corrupt shill for Wall Street, with no evidence of any kind, is “debate.” Pointing out truthfully that he was a non-factor in healthcare reform is a brutally unfair attack deserving of an apology.

            Glad to see you guys are running such a clean, issue-based campaign.

          • Beulah

            I’m confused. She says Sanders was AWOL on health care reform in the 90s and she says thank you to Sanders for his work on health care reform in the 90s. Does this have something to do with quantum superposition? I don’t think it has anything to do with Wall Street.

          • JD Mulvey

            When you work on political issues, you thank people even when their help was minimal. It’s the way you build a coalition to accomplish things.

            Again: “…accomplish things…”

            Think about that a little bit.

          • Beulah

            But she didn’t claim his help was “minimal”. She claimed it was nonexistent. That’s a bit disingenuous given that he was clearly involved.

          • JD Mulvey

            Ok, then have it your way: it was nonexistent. Hillary Clinton has been a player in making real reform to the halthcare system for the last two decades. If you want to pretend the same is true of Bernie, knock yourself out.

          • Beulah

            I’m not questioning HRC’s bona fides. In fact I’ll happily support her if she gets the nomination. But she has to stop with the misleading or outright false assertions. They don’t serve her well.

            And no one said that Sanders did as much work on health care reform as Clinton did in the 90s. But to say he did nothing or didn’t support it is quite simply a lie. Believe it or not, doing this is not helping her or the Democratic cause.

          • doktorzoom

            I guess it’s pointless to say this seven hours later, but knock it off all of youse.

          • blaid droog

            Research. It”s a fundamental part of education.

          • JD Mulvey

            I’m well educated, thank you, and am quite capable of doing legislative history. I don’t typically do it as a precursor to wonkette commenting.

            And if you’re going to claim that you’ve researched the legislative history of the Clinton Healthcare Plan before commenting here on the subject, I’m going to call bullshit on you.

          • SDGeoff

            The Congressional Record would probably be of assistance to you. Now, gather up your little mancrush on Hillz, and go register some people to vote for her. We all will need all the help we can get come November.
            Oh, hun? Not quite done here. On this site, we don’t get all sizzled up over the Hillary and Bernie thing. There are different sites for that sort of dysfunctional talk. One of them is a Daily.
            Buh bye. Won’t be checking on you today.
            Hun.

          • JD Mulvey

            You run this site now?

          • blaid droog

            Why did you steal zig-zags logo when you are obviously not a stoner. Bet you think you are a super cool dude.

          • JD Mulvey

            I’m a fucking hell of a lot cooler than you are, asshole.

          • doktorzoom

            Aaaaand you’re not helping either. Frankly, I’m about ready to turn this comments thread around and NOBODY gets to go to CommieLand.

          • doktorzoom

            Excuse me, but on this site, one commenter doesn’t get to tell other commenters they don’t belong here (except of course for the obvious wingnut trolls. We all get to tell them to play elsewhere. You’ve been here long enough to know better.

          • Tansy Geek

            Or at least a pioneer in the field of photo-bombing.

    • SDGeoff

      Well, I watched the eighties firsthand with amazement and horror and remember that it was with a distinct, directed stab into the heart of the gay citizens of this country that the President and his First Lady were not at the front of the battle on AIDS.
      What turned things around was the gay community’s non-stop dedication and utter gumption in the areas of pubic awareness and the raising of funds that put the country on notice that we weren’t going to take this crap from so-called Christian Republicans and their bigoted ilk.
      What passed for Hillary Clinton’s health care awareness must have left her in the dark about how evil the right wing treated those suffering with AIDS. In other words, either she had her head up her royal ass, or she really didn’t notice what rotten people the Reagan Administration had been harboring. (Including her new boyfriend, Henry Kissinger).
      There was no reason whatsoever for her to mention this Reagans and AIDS in the same breath. The Reagans were the reason so many people had to take their last breaths far, far too soon.
      Dammit to hell.

  • Noxious1

    “…after Ronald Reagan’s Alzheimer’s diagnosis in 1994…”???

    LOL! The Reaganites knew about Ronnie’s brain problems long before he left the Oval Office. He started showing symptoms during his first term.
    They kept it a state secret so the party leader wouldn’t look like a feeble old fart.
    Gotta look tough in front of the Russians, ya know.

    • georgiaburning

      Here in California we thought it started showing during his second term as governor

      • SDGeoff

        Indeed. And that’s not snark, either.

    • Be Gin

      It started during his stint on Death Valleys Days.

    • “They kept it a state secret so the party leader wouldn’t look like a feeble old fart.”

      Sigh. It’s just so sad. Too bad they didn’t discover until later that their “base” wouldn’t have given a damn. Reagan could have been a lukewarm bowl of tapioca, but as long as his administration properly discriminated again (insert random minority group here), they wouldn’t have minded.

  • Ryan Denniston

    “So, your final score: Nancy Reagan on Alzheimer’s research and the Brady Bill: Good. Nancy Reagan on AIDS: Better than her husband, which is a pretty low bar”

    Nancy at blowjobs: FTW!

  • Zyxomma

    Hillary did not “misspeak.” The ex used to pronounce (and probably still does, without me there to correct him) accolades as allocades (not a word). I told him that if he couldn’t learn to pronounce it properly, he should stop using it, and say “kudos” or something else instead. I’m glad she apologized, but she was WRONG. She didn’t misspeak, she fucked up.

    Lots of my friends and more of my acquaintances died. The Rayguns, both St. Ronnie and the blowjob queen, were pieces of shit who didn’t give a fuck about anyone who wasn’t in their club. Legislation — all kinds of legislation — started going to the dogs while he was president, and it’s been downhill ever since, IMHO, because of the empowering of assholes. Look at how many people are in prison for pot. That’s the Raygun Effect. I’d gladly dance on both their graves, but I have more important things to do, and I’m on the other side of the country.

    • Mimihaha

      Actually they didn’t give a single fuck about their supposedly good friend Rock Hudson died.

  • BearGHAZI

    Bernie doesn’t say such dumb shit. Just sayin’

    • JD Mulvey

      And white people don’t know what it’s like to be poor.

      • Apple Scruff

        THANK YOU.

      • Stranger in the Alps

        Yes, that is EXACTLY like pissing on the memory of people who died needlessly due to inaction by praising those who didn’t act.

        • JD Mulvey

          Hillary was pissing on somebody? Do you have a video?

  • Hillary has started a “national conversation” about what pieces of shit the Reagans were, so maybe this isn’t a bad thing, guys.

    • Rotisserie Teal

      Thank you. That was my first thought. Everyone is being reminded of how a Republican administration behaved abhorrently. And during an election year to boot. It’s all good.

    • Exactly. My own take is that Hillary, under the pressure of an interviewer to say something nice about a dead person, conflated StemCellNancy with WhiteHouseNancy in the heat of the moment and immediately corrected herself.

      • Which ironically enough is probably why people are so furious about this “gaffe.” They When Ronnie Raygun died, cannonization turned a very lackluster presidet into Republican Jesus, whose wise virtue is so admired even goddamn Democrats (like…hey well what do you know) praise his Holy name. As a result we’ve been besieged with fervent disciples finding new and exciting wayd to “Reaganize” the country.

        As a resukt of THAT, people are probably wortied about faulty memories fetishizing her deceased status to transform her into Conserva-Jesus’s Mistress.

    • Be Gin

      Any and every opportunity to badmouth those two moral cripples is always welcome.

    • Kerry Day

      lol too true.

  • Meanwhile, the same Bernie people trying to keep this alive are strangely silent about Bernie’s new homophobe buddy, Jamal Bryant:

    https://t.co/I4VWl5FOQ0

    • thenearesthippie

      Given that “the church has no shades of gray when it comes to marriage,” what would have been the point of Obama “preparing” the Black church? If he’d told them before making a public endorsement, would it have changed any minds on this black and white issue? What an idiot.

      • cleos_mom

        Maybe we can assume that “prepare” meant “give them a chance to try and talk him out of it.”

        • JD Mulvey

          Then when he does it anyway, they can say they didn’t get ENOUGH chance to talk him out of it.

          When you lose on policy, argue process.

    • paul helssom

      Obama only had to prepare the Half-Black church.

      Free “shades of gray” joke embryo included!

    • urgelt

      Ooo. I bet that stings ol’ Bernie, to be accused of having a gay friend. Of *course* knowing any gay people disqualifies one from public office. Sure it does, in the Right Wing Echo Chamber.

      The Right pulled the same trick against Obama, remember? He knew a black radical leftist, so of *course* he shouldn’t be President. Only problem: it didn’t resonate with voters, But I admire your determination to double down on a failed strategy.

    • Kerry Day

      Well, Jane, I think it is pretty clear from this quote that the man isn’t a homophobe. He is expressing an opinion about public policy that is different from yours, and guess what, in order for democracy to work at all there MUST be free expression of plurality of opinion.

  • thenearesthippie

    Hillary’s brain fart reminds me of the time GHWB commemorated Pearl Harbor on September 7. He went on to become president. True story.

  • urgelt

    Maybe it’s silly to attempt to cleverly parse meaning out of Nancy Reagan’s views on scientific topics.

    I mean, it’s not like she knew any science or anything. This was a woman who relied on astrologers to tell her when to bathe and which soap to use. She may have had a (virtual) PhD in poise and decorum, and her spine was famously straight (owing to years of incredibly disciplined posture habits, probably including walking around with a book balanced on her head), but her acquaintance with reality was a very distant one. Giving two sh*ts about what she thought about stem cell research makes no sense, given that her thoughts were likely obtained from a woman wearing a turban and rattling bones in a cup.

    I don’t want to call her a clueless old hag, but only because clueless old hags deserve better than to be compared to Nancy Reagan.

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  • dsmith

    What have we observed here and what lesson learned? Bill Safire was right when he wrote…Hillary Clinton is a congenital liar. Note the ease with which she repeated the BS about Nancy Reagan with absolute conviction. She’s good.

    • JD Mulvey

      Thanks for providing the Republican perspective.

  • doktorzoom

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