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Soon, she will be feeding the tree of liberty.Oh, Idaho. Poor, sad, desperately WTF Idaho, the Florida of the part of the country you always forget exists. What the H-E-double hockey sticks are you up to now? Oh, just protecting the right of parents to let their children die, out of the most batshit possible interpretation of the words “religious freedom.” No big.

Idaho’s long history of crazy includes bringing back “legitimate rape,” trying to teach science using the Bible, making sure their school staffs are heavily armed, and beating up Jews to convince them that Jesus is just the best. We would’ve thought, however, that the state would stop short of staunchly advocating for the literal right to murder children, but HAHA NOPE.

Turns out, parents are immune from prosecution in Idaho for letting their kids die from easily treatable illnesses, because “prayer” is legally classified as a medical treatment. Politicians will also justify this inalienable right in the most dickish ways possible, as Democratic state Rep. John Gannon of Boise found out after he tried to get a bill passed in mid-February to eliminate that protection for parents who believe there’s no ailment a little “faith healing” can’t fix:

Senate Health and Welfare Chairman Lee Heider, a Twin Falls Republican, said in January he would allow a hearing on changing the law, and Rep. John Gannon, a Democrat from Boise, dropped off a bill three weeks ago to remove the exemption in the child injury law for faith-healing parents in cases where there is an imminent risk to their child of permanent physical harm or death.

Heider said Thursday, though, that Gannon never asked him to set a hearing and it’s too late in the session now.

“I would say the time has pretty well run out,” Heider said.

Heider said he would not carry the bill himself, viewing it as prosecuting people for exercising their religious beliefs … “I’m a First Amendment guy,” Heider said. “And I believe in the First Amendment, which gives people freedom of religion.”

Heider then blamed carpetbagger outsiders come to Idaho to stir up trouble for bringing attention to the needless death of children.

We’ve actually written about this before. Idaho is one of six states where letting your kids die because Jesus told you to is totally legal, but Idaho’s really in a class all to itself, as it’s the only one of those states where kids are known to have died in the past 20 years. All told, at least 12 kids have died since 2011 alone to parents who believed in faith healing, and no charges whatsoever have been filed. That is at least 12 more kids than should ever, ever, ever, EVER be allowed to legally die as a result of negligent homicide.

We expect this crap out of Oklahoma, but we want to believe you can be better than this, Idaho. What gives? Are you just really depressed and lashing out over the fact that the only things the rest of us know you for are potatoes and blue turf?

Look, we’ll make you a deal: We promise we’ll stop making potato jokes and pay a little more attention to you if you stop doing shit like vehemently defending negligent child murder. Deal?

[MagicValley / Vocativ]

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  • Gayer Than Thou

    My thoughts and prayers with with Idaho.

    • I ‘liked’ the photo of Idaho’s sick Aunt Faye on Facebook!

    • borninatrailer

      Don’t forget about how sadz I am today.

    • Peripatetic Poltroon

      Are you a doctor?

      • Gayer Than Thou

        In Idaho, apparently I am.

  • borninatrailer

    Who won Idaho again? Oh yeah, right.

  • jviscont1

    Does Obamacare cover prayer therapy?

    • Peripatetic Poltroon

      No, but the ACA does.

  • crunchyknee

    Those kids should be able to defend themselves in court!1!

  • Let it be known

    I’ll never eat freedom fries again

  • Indiepalin

    It’s those darn carpet-munching outsiders what comes to Idaho and ruins the party for everybody.

    • Msgr_Moment
    • PubOption

      Some might even be more butch than Butch Otter.

  • arglebargle

    Prayer – A request that the laws of nature be suspended in favor of the petitioner, himself admittedly unworthy.

    Ambrose Bierce

    • Lizzietish81

      THANK YOU! I was recently trying to find that quote, but I couldn’t remember who said it

      • rodnchance

        I knew Lee Heider at Twin Falls High School, 1965. I thought he was a lying sack o’crap then and apparently that opinion still accurate. Something about the religion he adheres to that turns ordinary men into omniscient assholes and turn women into second class servants for the menfolk.
        I reckon that the children of these sort of small minded people are not destined to be geniuses anyway, what with home schoolin’ focused on the Jesus all day long, they end up on welfare and sucking from the tax teats of good, intelligent citizens.

        • handyhippie65

          genius is independent of education. you can be a genius, and never have been to school a day in your life. that being said, i totally agree.

  • TimJ

    I don’t know, letting your kids die of easily treated diseases is a pretty fundamental right. Going to have to give more than just not telling potato jokes, maybe make the state song “Here We Have Idaho” the national anthem?

  • Logic of Color

    My understanding is that Christian Science has a stranglehold in Idaho. They apparently have a “dead children for Jesus” doctorine.

  • Joshua Norton

    This is all you really need to know about homeschooling.

    • Dr. Krieger IRL

      Child: “But I don’t get it, how does pi work?”
      Parent: “It’s because of Jesus. Now that’s enough math for today, we’re moving onto apologetics and theology.”

      • eddi

        No good Christian ever needs to apologize. Their theology is I’m right because I’m righteous.

  • Banrion

    So if prayer is a legitimate medical treatment in Idaho, and someone prays to die and does, is that physician assisted suicide?

    • OneYieldRegular

      Not only that, if someone prays for you and you die, your survivors can sue for malpractice.

      • Thaumaturgist

        But if you die from witchcraft, is that malpractice, on the part of the witch?

    • Just try to get your HMO to cover the cost of your new Sunday Go To Meetin’ outfit.

  • Blender_415

    Change the law? You’ll have to pry their cold dead kids from their… live, negligently homicidal fingers.

  • JustPixelz

    “prayer” is legally classified as a medical treatment

    When I’m elected Governor, I’m going to repeal every word of the Bible.

    • SpideySenser

      You have my vote, sir/madam.

  • Left Coast Tom

    Look, we’ll make you a deal: We promise
    we’ll stop making potato jokes and pay a little more attention to you if
    you stop doing shit like vehemently defending negligent child murder.
    Deal?

    I’ll do my part…here’s a nice picture of Idaho. Now it’s Idaho’s turn.

    • Let it be known

      Ida Ho doesn’t play that game.

  • Dr. Krieger IRL

    Idaho’s new state slogan: “Come visit the thirteenth century!”

    • A Grumpy Cat, Not Esq.

      13th century libelz!1!1

  • Lizzietish81

    When I was in Seattle, I met a woman who was from New England who said that Idaho was the New Hampshire of the NorthWest.

    • JustPixelz

      People in Idaho say New Hampshire is the Florida of the NorthEast. People in Florida say “Our state looks like a P-E-N-I-S”.

    • eddi

      I always thought of it more as having Louisiana 2.0 way too close to me.

  • A Grumpy Cat, Not Esq.

    I assume the children who have died have have Christian parents? Since if a Muslim family let their child die from a treatable illness, the GOP would be all over that.

    • Belasaurius

      Muslims are too smart for that

    • eddi

      Only Christian sects believe in letting God do the work a doctor should.

  • Spotts1701

    I’d rather pray that Idaho Republicans get some sense knocked into their heads by their family mules.

  • OneYieldRegular

    “Blame Communist Infiltration” may have a lot of blips, scratches and hiss, but it’s been a favorite pop record of the American Right since even before its greatest popularity in the South during the 1950’s and ’60’s.

  • Lizzietish81

    Generally I’m pretty iffy about when the rights of a parent supersedes the rights of the child or vice versa. This is well beyond that line.

    Children are not property until they’re 18.

    • Pinkham’s Law

      To whom does title vest when they turn 18?

      • Lizzietish81

        well if one is a female, it’s to her husband

        A male of course gets his own title in the mail

        • Pinkham’s Law

          Seems fair.

        • Spotts1701

          Why does mine say “Salvage” on it?

          • handyhippie65

            hey, parts are parts. as long as you can pass inspection, it’s all good.

        • JustPixelz

          That’s why we’re entitled.

        • Thaumaturgist

          All I got in the mail when I turned 18 was a draft card.

        • calliecallie

          Along with his selective service registration notice.

        • handyhippie65

          i never got mine. i wonder who did?

  • Michael Smith

    Of course the “so-called-doctors” want you to believe 12 people have died as a result of faith healing.

    • A Grumpy Cat, Not Esq.

      It was Hillz “The Slayer” Clinton, of course.

      • Dr. Krieger IRL

        Benghazi!

        • A Grumpy Cat, Not Esq.

          Say what you want about her; I am DAMN impressed at her time management skills. No way I could work serial killing into my schedule, and I’m not even running for President.

    • Spotts1701

      Pfft…doctors. If doctors were so great how come 100% of people who see them eventually die? Huh?

  • JustPixelz

    “And I believe in the First Amendment, which gives people freedom of religion.”

    The Idaho Church of the Keep-Outta-My-Lady-Parts forming as we speak.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Not that First Amendment the other one, you know, the one that established the US as a Christian Nation? You are free to choose as crazy a Christian sect as you wish, though.

      • Blank Ron

        AOT,K?

  • Latverian Diplomat

    So how many dead kids does it take to form a millstone around the neck of this “religious liberty” meme the Republicans are all about this election cycle?

    • Lizzietish81

      doesn’t matter. Their supporters don’t care about children either.

      • DoILookAmused2u ?

        Once the little ankle-biting crumb-snatchers are born, they’re on their own.

      • Unless they are like creepy Uncle Phil who sleeps in the choir loft. He’s always available for babysitting, too!

    • arglebargle

      Dead children don’t count. On the other hand, blastocysts and zygotes…

      • YoBunnyBunny

        But there’s a HOLOCAUST of abortion going on!!11!!1!!!

        • Blank Ron

          I’ll believe that when PP starts bulk-ordering Zyklon B from IG Farben.

    • Dr. Krieger IRL

      I’m sure that the religious right types see a few dozen dead children as a small price to pay for safety from those gaymosexuals.

      • Scooby

        Their not dead they are just visiting Jesus.

    • JustPixelz

      Only fetuses are entitled to Republican legal protection. Actually born children can go fuck themselves.

      • SpideySenser

        With this group the kids don’t need to go fuck themselves, the parents already fucked ’em over.

        • Playonwords

          Or the youth Pastors and the occasional vagrant Catholic Priest

    • Scooby

      Technically, I believe it’s pogrom level or above.

    • Goposaur

      all of them

  • DoILookAmused2u ?

    I think West Virginia is giving them a run for their money by legalizing unpasteurized milk sales.

    They did that, and then some of them celebrated the law passage by drinking raw milk, and now they are sick.

    • eddi

      Instant Karma! Some days are better than others. For today I’ll take the laughs where I can get them.

    • Delu

      Sigh.

      It’s events like these that show that if Americans today don’t Make America Think Again they may not be getting second chances.

    • Biff52

      Also in Virginia:

  • Just wait until Idaho discovers the modern medical miracle called “leeches”.

    • jodyleek

      Idaho…Come for the potatoes, stay for the trepanning!

      • Pickwicknext

        I have a personal preference for retrophrenology.

    • PubOption

      I’m sure there are payday lenders in the state.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    This goes to the whole “you need a license to drive, why don’t you need a license to have kids?” argument. Being able to prosecute fundies or “christian scientists” or whatever other idiots for this is good – but something a little more proactive is in order to stop it from happening in the first place. I’m not sure how “deterred’ those zombies will be by the threat of prosecution.

    • Spotts1701

      It would also be a boon to the medical field.

  • Kakkeltje

    “prayer” is legally classified as a medical treatment.

    Does it specify to which god? I personally prefer praying to Offler the crocodile god to providing medical care to people I don’t like much.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      The important thing is no Satanic anti-biotics, vaccines and such are used

    • Pickwicknext

      Gods listen to nothing but the sound of the dice cup for their games

    • therblig

      if you pray to Tawaret judgmentally, you’ll have taken a hippo-critic oath

    • Playonwords

      Anoia FTW

    • SpideySenser

      So pastafarians will get well if they eat buckets of spaghetti?

      • Blank Ron

        Who cares? Either way you have a stomach full of delicious spaghetti.

        • SpideySenser

          Does it get any better than that?

    • HogeyeGrex

      Sadly, Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn.

      I am about ready to be eaten first.

  • jodyleek

    So, let me get this straight, Idaho…prayer to Jesus is considered medical treatment, but I’m guessing, just a guess here, that prayer to Allah, not so much? Did I get that right?

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      I don’t think there have been mandated double-blind studies, so I don’t think you can really call it “Medical”.

    • Scooby

      Flying Spaghetti Monster cured my hunger.

      • Pickwicknext

        FSM is pretty noodly awesome that way

    • chicken thief

      Did they help write the Constitution? Hell, no. Only Buff Nordic Lumberjack Jesus saves! The rest of them are fakes!!!!

      • Gayer Than Thou

        Do you happen to have a link to Buff Nordic Lumberjack Jesus’ website…?

  • Msmlg1979

    I know there’s no answer to this, but how does a person go about watching any child suffer and die, much less their own, and do literally nothing in the most medically advanced time in history?! How?

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      That’s the Power of Magical Thinking!

      • SDGeoff

        Exactly.

        • DoILookAmused2u ?

          Any amount of horrific crap can be allowed because “Wrong Assumptions”.

          It’s like a SuperPower!

    • Lizzietish81

      To Quote the Babylon 5 episode that dealt with this issue “There are more important things than the next breath”

      to which I said “Well no actually, nothing is as important as the next breath”

      But the dude was talking about going to their alien heaven. If you believe that this life is nothing more than suffering before a greater paradise than it’s easy to console yourself that suffering in the name of your religion will pay off.

      • Anarchy Pony

        Opiate of the masses. Why fight injustice and exploitation in this life when you get to go to heaven?

      • Msmlg1979

        Then why have kids in the first place? Gah. I’m twisting my mind into knots trying to understand something which can’t be comprehended by any person with a shred of humanity. The selfishness is astonishing.

        • Lizzietish81

          Be fruitful and multiply. To outnumber the non believers.

          • Msmlg1979

            I had a Quiverfull til they ALL DIED!

          • SpideySenser

            Also, too, if you have 7 kids, with any luck 4 of them will make it to adulthood. Sickest FUCKS ever!

          • Nockular cavity

            See, that’s just like it was in the good old days!

          • SpideySenser

            Before modern medicine. My sympathies to those kids who didn’t make it past the childhood years before the 20th century or so. What the fuck is the excuse now?

          • Blank Ron

            American Exceptionalism?

      • SadDemInTex

        The Catholic Church knew what it was doing…in order to control the vast majority of humanity….poor, suffering, angry, and dangerous….you hold out “heaven” as the reward they will receive when they die their poor, miserable, horrible death. Voila, civil unrest and social justice solved. Thanks, God.

        • Lizzietish81

          I would say the Sumerians got their first…Be good and pay the priest and maybe the river gods won’t eat you

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohXPx_XZ6Y

          • DerrickWildcat

            Thank you. I like learning things.

          • Suttree

            Enkidu sounds like a fun guy.

          • SadDemInTex

            This makes more sense to me. Pay to be ok while you are alive on this earth.

          • SadDemInTex

            Really terrific video.

      • Toomush_Infer

        But these newer Prosperity Gospel religions actually believe in no suffering at all – just grift….

      • Naytch

        That show iswas all kinds of awesome and thinking about that episode still makes me shiver.

    • Ami

      No problem for them. They’ll just have another one to take his place.

    • Playonwords

      As far as these assholes are concerned Kids are not entitled to human rights.

      • TxSpinyLizrd

        Unless they’re still in the womb, then their rights trump the mother’s. Twisted.

    • Invidosa

      it makes me think of this book, the spirit catches you and you fall down. Its about a Hmong child with (if i remember correctly) epilepsy. The family refuses to properly adhere to the doctors recommendations and prescriptions. Near the end of the book, the author is talking to two of her friends about the case, and the question comes up, whats more important, the state of your body, or the state of your soul? Basically, is it worth your life to save your soul. One friend says clearly your soul is more important, as it is eternal. The other says that clearly your body is more important, because even if you believe in a soul it does you no good without a body.

      Obviously I’m squarely on the side of body is more important, but I found it fascinating to see inside the thought process of this bullshit.

      • Msmlg1979

        It’s sad to see people throwing away their once chance at life, believing fairy tales of another life to follow in heaven. It’s horrific to see people throw away the life of someone helplessly at their mercy. This story bothered me a lot. I get the why. I get what they believe. But to imagine the “how” of it..the act of watching your child die, knowing it could possibly be stopped. It’s upsetting. One of my dogs got very sick earlier this year. I came home to a bloody horror show (hemorrhagic gastroenteritis), and I never hesitated for one moment to do all I could for him, even though it cost a lot, and was a lot to go through. I took responsibility for him. I love him. He was a beloved, helpless, small thing in pain, and that had to be fixed. How does one override the urge to do for a human child, what many of us will do for a silly little dog??

        • Invidosa

          I couldn’t agree more. In fact, that’s a large part of why I stopped eating meat. I love my cat more then anything, and the thought of her getting sick and slowly dying just rips my heart out, I just cant contemplate it. It disgusts me that any parent could just lean back and watch their little one suffer and die because jesus. I mean, I’m a pagan, and I have rituals that I would do in that situation, but that would be in ADDITION to medical attention.

          They say that going to a doctor is insulting to their god, that it would show a lack of faith in their god’s healing ability. I wonder what they think when their loved ones die? I recently watched my mother die of cancer. We had hospice in during her last days. I cant IMAGINE what her final weeks would have been without palliative care. I guess I think these people are hateful monsters, whatever their reasoning is.

          • Msmlg1979

            Yes. Selfish, selfish, selfish!!!

            I am so very sorry about your Mom. I’m glad she had people to love her, and see she had the best care. We are supposed to care for our loved ones, and fight to see the best done for them. I hope you are healing, and finding your way toward peace.

  • So compromise. We make it illegal and if your kid dies because faith healing is not a real thing, just stage it to look like the little tyke got ahold of your gun because then you’ve “suffered enough” and will avoid prosecution.

    Sigh… we live in a really fucked up country sometimes…

  • SDGeoff

    Ah, religion.

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Magic! The All-Powerful, All-Knowing Dude who lives on top of the sky-dome apparently wanted it to happen, I says.

      Doesn’t explain why, since all ^^^ that, he allowed for Medical Science to happen, though?

      We have a conundrum !

    • PubOption

      Hey, if it is the opium of the people it must be a viable alternative to Vicodin.

      • Biff52

        Thing is, on my insurance plan, Vicodin is only $5. Religion is something like 10% off the top.
        Thanks, Obama!

  • FauxAntocles

    I was about 8 years old when I came to the conclusion that prayer has no influence on the outcome of any event.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      Ah, yes, the fervor and desperate need with which I prayed for some things – things I legitimately needed – and the absolute deafening silence with which my needs went unmet. Nowadays, I turn to Facebook for that kind of thing.

  • Scooby

    How in the hell did trying to stop gay pizza weddings morph into this shit-fest. Fetuses get more protection than actual kids. I can’t even snark about this my brain is frozen in fear.

    • YourNameHere

      This stuff always ends up here. Once you let a little crazy in, all the rest comes by for a test drive.

      • Blank Ron

        Test drive? It moves in with its family, hogs the good furniture and refuses to give up the remote so it can watch Faux News.

  • DerrickWildcat

    I’m pretty sure Prayer and Maple syrup cures the Diabeatus.

    • eddi
      • Dr. Krieger IRL

        I read about that.
        I’m cool with natural remedies that help soothe a cough or a sore throat, but there are times you just have to get real medicine.

        • eddi

          Palliatives are just fine. After the doc prescribes what’s good for what ails you.

      • DerrickWildcat

        Yeah, I read about this. It was a vague reference.

      • SpideySenser

        So did the ‘rents throw their son under the bus to sell their products?

        • eddi

          Sounds like they believed their own hype. Never a good thing in a grift.

    • Msmlg1979

      Wilford Brimley ships prayer and maple syrup right to your front door.

  • Belasaurius

    suffer the little children

    • eddi

      Matthew 18:5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.
      Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

      • Blank Ron

        These verses must be missing from the Republican Bible.

  • SessileRaptor

    Parents pray to god to heal their child, “No” says god.

    http://www.theonion.com/article/god-answers-prayers-of-paralyzed-little-boy-475

  • Scooby

    BTW these assholes also support ‘carpet bombing’ children…as long as they are Muslin.

  • One of the bizarre and potentially upsetting childhood experiences is to go to church with a friend and realize too late it’s one of those churches. Those meaning the churches where they heal people, speak in tongues, and get “slain in the spirit”.

    The more savvy churches would have “Towel Ladies” whose job it was to throw a bath towel over the exposed panties of female worshipers who got a little bit too slain.

    • Dr. Krieger IRL

      I’ve had a similar experience. The whole charismatic movement weirds me out.

      • Swampgas_Man

        Closest I got was a church where the pastor railed against celebrating Christmas. Didn’t care for it.

    • Logic of Color

      So, Come to Jesus, so to speak

    • DoILookAmused2u ?

      Yeah, and inexplicably have a huge production involving Pirates for the kids.

      That was my experience.

    • AnOuthouse

      The rule of thumb is to avoid the ‘non-denominational’ churches. They’re run by idiots for the purpose of not paying taxes.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      I was once a paid entertainer during this more *progressive congregation’s Christmas pageant. Backstage before the show, me and the other paid performer were kind enough to be present for the before-the-show prayer the members were doing. So this kindly old Mr. Magoo type fella starts praying all normal-like, and then out of nowhere he launches off into tongues. It was hilarious because the youth pastor who recruited us to perform looked at me and the other performer like “Holy SHIT”! Afterwords he was like “Yeah… Sorry about that… We weren’t expect him to do that around the guest.”

      *I’m from southern free will baptist country, so everything is more progressive to me.

      • Renee

        I went to a Protestant seminary for graduate school. No matter who was teaching the class, beginning level liturgy (stage-craft for church leaders, basically) ALWAYS involved having students attend X number of church services outside their own denomination and writing a short paper about the experience.

        Fellow students who were further along the program offered all kinds of advice for surviving visits to charismatic (as in “slain by the spirit”) congregations. Some will surround a newcomer and very loudly pray and dance around them until the “Spirit” arrives. [A very awkward situation for more buttoned-down Protestants who don’t put their hands in the air unless they are asking a question.] One of my favorites was to sway back and forth while chanting “she bought an economy Honda” in a rapid monotone so the syllables all blur together. I never needed to try it, but it did the trick for some classmates. Then there was the Native American student from Oklahoma who escaped one service by chanting in Kiowa.

  • Shibusa

    Faith healing works great with people who are going to get better anyway.

  • Bill Slider

    So, Idaho is where the church, any old church, wags the state.U S Senator Frank Church, long dead, is the only church Idaho should listen too.

  • say wha

    Hey Kids!!! Let’s all pile in the car and head to Idaho for family vacation this Summer!!! Whdda ya say??? Sounds like fun, no?

  • thewitchqueen74

    Horrible, just fucking horrible….

  • Logic of Color
  • AnOuthouse

    Did God will for the children to die or did he provide us with brains in order to invent medicine and prevent their death?

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Nuh uh… That brainy stuff is Satan talking!!!!!

      Seriously, if there is a hell and Satan presiding over it, Satan must be incredibly flummoxed by how little work he has to do now.

      • YourNameHere

        Satan never to do any work.

  • YoBunnyBunny

    Turns out, parents are immune from prosecution in Idaho for letting their kids die from easily treatable illnesses, because “prayer” is legally classified as a medical treatment.

    • YourNameHere

      In his case, prayer can be a valid medical treatment and he still wouldn’t support this shit.

      • Ima Witstup

        So what about praying for a miscarriage? Would that count as a god-approved abortion, or murder one?

        • YourNameHere

          If Chuck goes to the trouble to have Castiel get Dean pregnant, he’s probably not going to kill it so Murder One!

  • PubOption
    • sw19womble

      Ugh.

  • Toomush_Infer

    Potato! Potatoe! Potato!……

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Oregon and Washington have petitioned to have Idaho kicked out of the Pacific Northwest.

    • jwtukker

      In Washington we have requested that everything east of the Cascades be included as well.

      • sw19womble

        Boo! I love the high desert, as well as the Okanagan/Okanogan. Don’t be mean. :(

      • Left Coast Tom

        In Washington kicking out the East of the Cascades portion would deprive the state of wine, as most of the vineyards are in the Columbia Valley.

        In Oregon the vineyards are mostly west of the Cascades so the only thing the state would lose is its biggest ski town, Bend.

  • Walter Wellstone

    Never underestimate the stupidity of the American redneck.

  • chicken thief

    This may, or may not be, OT, but do life insurance companies pay the claims in these cases? It seems to me that there may be a free market solution to this insanity.

    • Jenny

      I know plenty of people who think this way, they don’t have health insurance. Highly unlikely they have life insurance. They just get the church to pay for the funeral.

      • Tansy Geek

        Funeral smunreal. A homemade pine box if they liked the kid, cardboard if not. Plop em in the ground next to the pets but away from the hog pit.

  • Ami

    Oh but I bet if one of the parents gets really sick off they go to the nearest doctor.
    Or I guess if it is the parents “religion” to believe in human sacrifice because that’s in The Bible, that’s ok too?
    Disgraceful and despicable.

    • Technically, the Bibble says that God will let you off human sacrifice at the last minute. Unless you’re referring to Jesus, but according to orthodox Christianity he wasn’t exactly human, I’m not sure I understand that bit.

  • VirginiaLady

    2 thoughts: Thought one – So as long as you don’t abort the child, you can leave it outside for a few weeks…if it lives it’s gods will. If it dies it’s gods will.
    Thought two – if the kid grows up and becomes his parent’s care taker, wouldn’t this logic apply? It’s very easy to deny medical care to the elderly. God’s will? Thinking this as a parent who denied their kid a guitar and a pony when they were a minor. Kid could soon easily take revenge….. “Hey mom, haven’t you always wanted to go trout fishing in Idaho?”

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Thought one: “This is SPARTA!”

      • therblig

        This…is…BOISE!!!

        • Playonwords

          By the way, where’s Girlsie

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Christians have a wonderful loophole in the bibble about children obeying, respecting, serving and otherwise forever in slavery to their parents, so they got that covered.

      • sw19womble

        “Mamma never did take to any o’that fancy doctorin’ stuff. She believed the Lord would provide. I was just respectin’ her wishes…”

        • Blank Ron

          ‘If God din’t want her to suffocate he woulda took th’ pillow outta my hands!’

          • handyhippie65

            or let her breathe through her ears.

  • Biff52
    • therblig

      what about Captain Walker or The man who keeps Mister Dead in his pocket?

      • Captain Walker didn’t come home. His unborn child will never know him.

  • Walter Wellstone

    I can’t wait for one of them fundie wingnuts to chime in on this discussion. I know he’ll get ban hammered but it should be fun reading what the fuck they will come up with to defend such idiocy. Really, people, even Idiocracy doesn’t do justice to this level of stupidity.

  • Scooby

    Why not just classify the placebo effect as medical treatment?

    • handyhippie65

      technically, i think it is.

  • Tansy Geek

    I bet there would a right flap doodle if I moved to Idaho and started a religion that required vandalism and sending spam. But I can neglect my children as long as I pretend prayer was involved? Do they have to demonstrate religion was an actual factor or do all cases of abuse and neglect get a pass?

    • neminem

      You should start a religion which requires you to tell your children that god wants them to vandalize and send spam.

    • mailman27

      Teacher: “How’d you get that black eye?”
      Kid: “I walked into a prayer.”

    • First Amendment absolutism is why the nasty Mafia-style cult known as Scientology has gotten away with up-to-and-including-murder for 50 years.

      • Tansy Geek

        That and they sued/whined at the Justice Department until they gave up. Stupidly in my opinion but we’re stuck with them until they implode I guess.

  • spends2much

    President Cruz would obviously want to make this the Law of the Land,so there’s that to look forward to if decent people don’t bother to vote.

  • sw19womble

    Wait, so a pregnant woman who has an abortion is a ‘murderer’, but hey if you happen to want to “pray it away” right afterwards…

    If anything sums up the “once it’s out of the womb then fuck the little moocher” hypocrisy, it’s this bunch of charmers.

    • Iam Reading

      This is our Idaho lunacy.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Just take the kids away – it’s same as if they died, as far as the parents are concerned.

  • Iam Reading

    Most Idahoans are for forced birth. They don’t give a fuck about you once you are born

  • Blank Ron

    I was always under the impression that it was Moloch who demanded child sacrifice, not Yahweh. I stand corrected.

    • UnsaltedSinner

      Yahweh demanded the sacrifice of himself/his son, so he wins.

  • Paperless Tiger

    They’d die out if they they didn’t breed like rabbits.

  • Poly_Ester

    Negligent homicide merely an exercise in religious freedom? What sane person would know that?

  • Lefty Frizzell

    I thought these people believed in the right to life?

    • jmk

      Oh that’s only for embryos inside sluts’ bodies.

  • Markuserektus
    • Hardly Ideal

      I’ve said it so often, I’m now looking into billboard prices to get the message out:
      We need to stop calling them “pro-life” and start calling them “pro-BIRTH.” With this and their apparent position on, say, capital punishment, it’s clear their concern for life starts at conception and ends at birth.

      • I like the term “forced birth” – not mine.

  • Markuserektus

    Maple syrup is, also too, a wonderful treatment for meningitis.

  • goonemeritus

    Well I guess that’s one way to avoid the high cost of a kids college education.

  • Aileen

    Actually, if you were to ask me, “In which state is it legal to let your child die from a treatable illness because your imaginary sky friend told you to pray harder?” my very first guess would be Idaho.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    I was involved in a a case in Idaho in which parents nearly healed their teenage daughter to death. It’s nice to know that the Idaho legislature would be just as happy if Jennilynn was dead. They should have been forced to look at the photos of that emaciated, dehydrated girl in her hospital bed as her organs shut down.

  • Max Newman

    So I guess they think that getting away with murder is part of teh consitution also?

  • doktorzoom

    Idaho’s really in a class all to itself, as it’s the only one of those states where kids are known to have died in the past 20 years.

    Colin, I’m going to have to nitpick just a teensy bit on this: There have been several child deaths in eastern Oregon as well, all of kids whose parents belong to the same faith-healing “Followers of Christ” cult that the Idaho legislature keeps protecting. The difference is that after the first few in Oregon, that state got rid of its “faith healing” exemption from child protection laws, and has actually been prosecuting the parents who let their kids die, as the . So it would be more correct to say that Idaho is the only state that that continues to let these idiots practice their child-killing with impunity.

    Distinction without a difference, perhaps.

    Edited to add: As I recall, a lot of the kids who’ve died in Oregon were buried in Idaho, where the church has a large graveyard full of babies whose parents didn’t pray hard enough.

    • CriticalDragon1177

      When the next plague comes, I think we maybe able to blame these people, along with anti vaxxers. Off course these we don’t need doctors, the almighty will heal us people, are probably also anti vaccines, I’m right?

  • CriticalDragon1177

    We seriously have to put an end to this, not just in Idaho, but across the country. Parents who let their kids die because they think that medicine is wrong, should be held accountable. I don’t care if they think God will heal their kids if they have faith.

  • JustDon’tSayDittos

    I for one refuse to give up potato jokes. Trade ’em something else, Pinkham!

    Meanwhile, two potatoes walk into a bar…

    • Mike Rhodes

      With all those eyes, you’d think they would have seen it.

      • JustDon’tSayDittos

        *groan*

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    More nitpicking: Idaho is not the Florida of anywhere. Florida craziness is people hijacking manatees and whimsical gun play and whatnot. Idaho is the Mississippi of the north.

    At least, until the next cholera epidemic, when it becomes the Guatemala of the north.

    • blondeiq

      Arkansas is not amused.

  • YayConspiracy

    either there is a god and s/he’s an asshole for letting these stone-souled dungbeetles get away with their antics, or there is no god.

    • blondeiq

      Imma let y’all do the math on this. They are a bunch of sky-grifting losers whose taberfucknuckle should be taxed out of existence.

  • Calli Arcale

    Check out the book “In the Name of God: the True Story of the Fight to Save Children from Faith-Healing Homicide” and this will surprise you less. Idaho is where they fled to when Oregon tightened up their child neglect legislation. And I very much doubt it’s just 12 kids. It’s 12 kids that we can prove. The real number is surely higher.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      While the CPS/DCF/DCS regimes in many states are really bad, Idaho’s is uniquely awful. When you combine sparsely populated areas, a legislature that hates governance almost as much as it hates spending money, and a whole bunch of Mormons who are very touchy about the government regulating any religious practice the resultant protections for children are absolutely awful.

    • blaid droog

      Sounds like the perfect place to move to if you have children you don’t like. Also, it would help if you were an anti vaxxer.

  • dshwa

    I’m sure they’d be just as supportive if I asked Idaho to defend my religious beliefs regarding keeping abortions legal and available, right?

    • handyhippie65

      in yer dreams.

    • UnsaltedSinner

      And you’re way ahead of me…

  • NorthStarSpanx

    Chairman Lee Heider looks exactly as you imagine, and thinks he’s pretty clever running down the clock like that. He’s got a whopping 166 followers on Twitter. He must have some serious weight to have thrown over his neighbors and Idahoans over the years.

    Reminds me of when Wasilla Rep. Lyda Green tried to get an anti-abortion bill added to Palin’s special session, Palin, the lifeiest pro-lifer there is, couldn’t help but smack dear critic Lyda down “”Alaskans know I am pro-life and have never wavered in my belief in the sanctity of every human life,” Governor Palin said. “These issues are so important they shouldn’t be diluted with oil and gas deliberations.”

    http://alaskareport.com/news48/x61162_palin_green.htm

  • Incoming Ham

    Children are like houseplants that one owns and takes care of it by praying over it instead of watering it?

    Cause that what it sounds like.

  • CriticalDragon1177

    Meanwhile, the science of medicine continues to make advances, in this case one that could save countless lives, that these anti medicine nutters won’t let their poor children take advantage of.

    Sidekick chemicals reverse antibiotic resistance in microbes : Mouse study suggests molecules safely restore antibiotics’ ability to take down MRSA.
    http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/03/sidekick-chemicals-reverse-antibiotic-resistance-in-microbes/

    • UnsaltedSinner

      At first I read that last sentence as “Mouse study suggests molecules safely restore antibiotics’ ability to take down MRAs”. If only…

  • FlownOver

    “…we want to believe you can be better than this, Idaho.”

  • Mike W

    Nothing says pro life like letting your kids die from preventable diseases due to bronze age superstitions.

    • Calli Arcale

      It’s not even bronze age superstitions. Most of the sects that practice faith healing date to the late 19th and early 20th Century.

  • The Wanderer

    There’s another state added to my no-go list.

    • blaid droog

      There are so many states I don’t even want to fly over.

  • handyhippie65

    can’t abort a fetus, but it’s quite alright to let your child die of a preventable illness. more proof the tgop doesn’t give a rat’s ass about offspring once they are born. what about the child’s right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? or their right to freedom of religion? suppose they don’t believe in mommy and daddies imaginary friend? why allow their parents to force their religion upon them? isn’t that a violation of their children’s freedom of religion?

    • UnsaltedSinner

      When Republicans say “religious freedom”, they mean the freedom for Christians to force their religion on others.

      • kaydenpat

        Even when it leads to dead children. Family values, I guess.

      • handyhippie65

        bing! bing! bing! we have a winner! wink, tell them what they have won!

    • blaid droog

      Logic doesn’t work for these people.

  • Meccalopolis

    we could implant chips in their brain: “this is god! take your kid to the doctor.”

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Nope. When the voice in your head tells you what you want to hear, it’s God. Otherwise, it’s The Devil.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    American women who want an abortion should claim that their religious beliefs demand it. Republicans couldn’t very well argue against that, could they? (Yes, I know; they’re hypocrites, so they would.)

  • Snarky

    Pesky government intrusion denying parents the healing power of prayer because it works so well.

    • kaydenpat

      Why can’t these parents pray and get medical treatment simultaneously? One is not exclusive of the other.

    • TheBoatDude

      And Jesus said “Here’s a fucking Doctor! Now stop talking to the ceiling and get your kid some help, asshole!”

  • blaid droog

    The dead kids were prolly inbreds anyway.

  • chimichanga

    Oh, man. Forgive me. This is my monthly purge: fuck fucketty fucking fuck these fuckers in the fucking (insert orifice here) until they fucking (final act here). Fuck them all to hell. If prayer is a cure then I pray that this insanity is healed someday. Ramen

  • Invidosa

    My religion states that I need to ritually slaughter bigoted christian assholes every full moon in my garden to ensure my land’s continuing fertility. Here in Michigan they just don’t respect faith like they clearly do in Idaho.

    wait, wait, . . . *looks around room* where are the anti abortion people? don’t they get all het up about dead small human type things? I mean, one would think that it would be better to abort a fetus then let a kid die of leukemia cause jebus. . . right? right? . . *crickets*

    • kaydenpat

      They just care about fetuses — it has become obvious that they could give a damn about actual children.

    • Ants In My Eyes Johnson

      Once a fetus is no longer physically attached to its mother, and could be cared for and protected by just about any sufficiently motivated idiot, it’s welfare suddenly stops being of interest to the anti-choice crowd.
      Life is just full of little mysteries like that. And usually the answer is just “Because of assholes.”

      • cat cafe

        Oh silly person! They don’t care about fetuses! The forced-birth crowd only cares about punishing and controlling women!

  • kaydenpat

    12 children? I’m speechless that this is happening in a First World country.

    • TheBoatDude

      Well, if they’re not getting medical care, they have a much higher death rate…they’re just playing the odds….

    • janecita

      Do you really still think that we are a “First World Country”?

  • Daru Titor

    I kinda think anybody supporting this exemption should be pelted with potatoes.
    Not good ones, the soft squishy ones that smell horrible. I mean, why’d you want to waste good potatoes?

  • JerryRich

    OK, so this means that if I want to kill my kid I just wait until he/she gets sick, then move to Idaho? Religious freedom!

    • Invidosa

      My theory is that these parents have conveniently taken out substantial life insurance policies on their kids.

  • Betty Eyer

    Hasn’t the supreme court already ruled that parents do NOT have this right?

  • JackLinks

    Photo of Heider, a living breathing Idaho dinosaur!

    http://idahoreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Heider.jpg

  • Angry and Short

    The hypocrisy is hilarious. These are people who will state that their Libertarian beliefs forbid abortion due to a civil rights violation. But once they’re out of the womb? Fuck it, you’re on your own.

  • veska

    So, my mom had a cousin die of a brain tumor at age 21 because she was a Christian Scientist. Poor kid never had a chance, because she grew up in the faith. Granted, it was the ’70s, so maybe she didn’t have a huge chance of living, but things could have been a lot different if her family were more moderate in their religious beliefs.

  • JebusSaves

    The only thing Idaho politicians understand is Money, God and Guns. A national boycott of Idaho products like Idaho Potatoes might get their attention. Otherwise unless the mormon church tells them to change the law then it ain’t gonna happen.

  • Vet On The Verge

    Sounds like a case of natural selection at its finest. Maybe it’ll be a better place to live after the loons die off. Pity for the children though. :-(

  • Pugsandcoffee

    Having grown up with idiots like this, I’m not shocked. I mean, we live in a world where Jesus sometimes loves your granddaughter so much he has her sister shoot her in the face with a gun so she can come live with him. No reason to think Jesus might spontaneously also regrow a kidney or whatever.

  • aureolaborealis

    I believe the Fundy position here can be summarized as follows:
    Fertilized eggs? “They are holy and human and have souls and must be protected.”
    Actual IRL kids? “Fuck ’em.”

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