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Only a good guy with a General Electric M134 Minigun can stop a bad guy with a General Electric M134 Minigun

Florida has a nifty new variation on “Stand your Ground” legislation in the works. Not only would it make it easier for criminal defendants to escape murder prosecutions by claiming self-defense, but it would also require the state to reimburse defendants for their trouble, to the tune of up to $200,000 for court costs and attorney fees. Not surprisingly, the bill has the backing of the NRA and would give defendants a huge six-figure incentive to claim self-defense. As we know, Stand Your Ground has already done a terrific job of helping violent criminals beat prosecution, so this new wrinkle should ensure even more mayhem, yay.

As Orlando Sentinel columnist Scott Maxwell explains, House Bill 169 would shift the burden of proof to prosecutors in Stand Your Ground cases, “so that anyone who claims self-defense is essentially assumed to be telling the truth unless the state can prove otherwise, often in a pre-trial immunity hearing.” Look, we understand “presumed innocent until proven guilty,” but isn’t that supposed to happen in a trial?

Maxwell also suspects that the bill’s proponents included the $200K payout for defendants’ “court costs, reasonable private attorney fees and related expenses” as a strategic distraction, “just so they could later take it out, claiming it was now a thoughtful compromise.” Hey, that’s clever!

It’s a tactic they’ve used before with extremist bills — such as an early version of the “Docs vs. Glocks” law that sought to imprison pediatricians who discussed gun safety with patients.

That was the 2011 law that made it illegal for doctors to ask parents if they had a gun in the home; it was upheld in 2014.

And surprise, surprise: The bill’s Senate sponsor, state Sen. Rob Bradley, said that as a matter of fact, he would be willing to strip that provision, since the cost of paying up to $200k to every brave ground-stander would almost certainly mean counties would have to make cuts elsewhere — probably in prosecutors’ offices. Other than that one provision, both Bradley and state Rep. Dennis Baxley, who introduced the bill in the Florida House, think it’s a dandy piece of legislation that protects the rights of the accused. Yes, that’s two Tuff-On-Crime Florida Republicans who’ve suddenly become sympathetic to criminal defendants, as long as they’ve been accused of blowing someone away with their responsibly owned firearm.

Maxwell predicts that if HB 169 becomes law, “most anyone charged should claim self-defense. There’s no reason not to.” And he reminds us of the 2012 Tampa Bay Times investigation that found roughly 70 percent of defendants claiming they’d been “standing their ground” got off — including charming cases like a guy who shot a man lying on the ground and successfully claimed self-defense. The Times’ investigation concluded: “In nearly a third of the cases … defendants initiated the fight, shot an unarmed person or pursued their victim — and still went free.”

And now Florida legislators — with NRA lobbyists smiling benevolently in the background — want to make it even easier for people who kill with a gun to walk away without any consequences, and possibly even a cash bonus, because surely that’s what the Founders had in mind.

[Orlando Sentinel / Tampa Bay Times / Orlando Sentinel again]

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  • MsAnthropesMr

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  • ArgieBargie

    10% bonus for killing a brown person.

    If this isn’t Pro-Fucking-Life, I don’t know what is.

  • Nounverb911

    So what does the victim’s family get from the state when the prosecutor proves it was murder?

    • MsAnthropesMr

      Purely theoretical question if the vic is brown.

    • A Grumpy Cat

      The next bill the Florida legislature is introducing will re-define the word “murder” and outlaw its use in a courtroom if the defendant is white.

  • FauxAntocles

    That’s one way to solve the immigrant issue – it’s called “bounty”.

    • Nounverb911

      But then who would mow the lawns at Trump’s house in Palm Beach?

    • ArgieBargie

      Now they could only get those Messicubans to pay for it.

  • schmannity

    In Florida, the hunting licenses pay you.

    • MsAnthropesMr

      The Most Derpeous Game

  • Spotts1701

    Why even bother with a court process, then? Guy claims self-defense, and meets the criteria (white, Christian, male), the cops should be required to apologize for troubling him and give him back his piece.

  • Lizzietish81

    So basically, Florida has put a bounty on the heads of black teenagers.

    • marxalot

      A pretty generous one, too. And no limit to how many times you can collect! Best. Hunting license. EVAR.

    • A Grumpy Cat

      Hey, be fair. I’m sure they’re okay with black people OF ANY AGE being killed.

  • JohnR

    Get caught with cannabis and go to jail.

  • goonemeritus

    Bang stick enthusiasts and their hobby are starting to get real expensive for the non-participants. Perhaps it’s time for a user fee or two to shift the cost to those people with crew-fed heavy machine guns under their pillow.

    • HobbesEvilTwin

      It’s been said before but bears repeating: make gun humpers carry liability insurance and we could watch two evil fucking industries devour each other.

    • Gleem-McShinez

      “Crew-fed machine guns”
      Tax cuts for them, because JOB CREATORS!

  • freakishlystrong

    Uh..maybe they should think this through? Forget it.

  • Joshua Norton

    Now that there’s an actual cash incentive involved, we don’t have to worry about terrorists destroying this country, these idiots are doing a swell job all by themselves!

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Hey, I think there’s a population problem too, but…

  • Jeamonn

    I’m afraid of how Texas will respond to this in the war of crazy they have going on.

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      Nah, Texas Government doesn’t pay for anything. Besides, law enforcement does plenty of shooting. My advice, stay out of Twin Peaks, and stay out of Waco.

  • SnarkOff

    Sure, Florida. That sounds like a sensible idea.

    • AntiDerpomeme

      Wacka, wacka, wacka! What could possibly go wrong?!

  • Relativicus

    I wouldn’t worry about it much. This law will mostly only help white shooters anyway.

  • Mavenmaven

    Wow, all that money might have rendered George Zimmerman’s art career unnecessary, at such cost to world culture…

  • Jeamonn

    Did Zimmerman need a new job?

  • marxalot

    Welp.

    • Move to Florida then. They’ll take care of that for you.

  • Joshua Norton

    Obviously, Zimmerman should be able to put in a retroactive claim. Because, why not? As long as they’re just giving it away.

  • weejee

    Is shooting Florida State Legislators considered stand-your-ground? Asking for a friend.

  • PubOption

    Hey, Cletus, shoot 5 people and you can be a millionaire.

  • Oblios_Cap

    My new career will involve playing “https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CB8QyCkwAGoVChMI0oKkq86ryAIVwYYNCh2AfwfY&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZhDYGe4_7a4&usg=AFQjCNEFnN2hjIaeIVHucOlbirNbPFv75A&bvm=bv.104317490,d.eXY
    The Rodeo Song” a lot and being my own attorney!

  • The bill’s Senate sponsor, state Sen. Rob Bradley, said that as a matter of fact, he would be willing to strip that provision, since the cost of paying up to $200k to every brave ground-stander would almost certainly mean counties would have to make cuts elsewhere — probably in prosecutors’ offices.

    Yes, but would you really need a prosecutor’s office anymore if you didn’t have any living defendants and their murderers were de facto innocent because they were the last man standing?

    Think of the savings! And smaller government! I see nothing wrong with this proposal!!!!

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      Well, someone still has to prosecute all those Blah, Brown, Red, and Yellow murderers. /s/

      • Biff52

        Monday Night Rehab!

  • Viva La Tabula Raza

    Can’t the “defendants” just do a gofundme? or maybe the NRA could pay that 200K.

    • Wombat

      Nope, apparently GoFundMe no longer allows fundraising for people who have been charged with or convicted of crimes. That’s why Kim Davis isn’t making bank off of being a lazy slug and not doing her job.

  • chicken thief

    “…that found roughly 70 percent of defendants claiming they’d been “standing their ground” got off…”

    The other 30% were blah or messican.

    • marxalot

      Or women.

      • AntiDerpomeme

        If you’re both, good luck! I’m thinking about Marissa Alexander, for example. Apparently, she’s been released recently, but still ended up serving 3 years for firing a warning shot at her abusive boyfriend.

    • Msgr_Moment

      I’m sure Wayne LaPierre got off, too, IYKWIMAITTYD.

      • Duckbudder

        Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge.

  • I shot a man in Orlando, just to watch him die, and got a check from Florida which said I’m a good guy.

    • data_ninja

      And then you Johnny Cashed it, right?

  • VandeGraf

    I don’t know how it can get weirder, but the gun freaks always seem to find new and interesting ways.

  • Ryan Denniston

    The NRA should not be in support of this. More killing means fewer potential gun owners. And I don’t know what kind of utopia these representatives have in mind that they’re moving the state toward, but it most certainly is not conservative.

    • Anarchy Pony

      Less killings, more maimings!

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      The number of gun owners is decreasing in US America, but the number of guns sold is increasing.
      Many folks ( like the latest mass murderer) are stocking up so the Gummit can’t take there guns. You know someone is FITH when the buy guns to protect themselves from their own government.

  • geoffalnutt

    Divine said it best! “Kill everyone now…!”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2YVRu09nAo

  • chicken thief

    “…since the cost of paying up to $200k to every brave ground-stander would
    almost certainly mean counties would have to make cuts elsewhere —
    probably in prosecutors’ offices.”

    What, they can’t cut lobster and Obamaphones from the poorz or all that wasteful spending on edjuhmacation and shit?

    • Ryan Denniston

      Drug test the welfare recipients and the kids. That’ll free up all the money they’d need.

  • MsAnthropesMr

    Imma gonna shoot me a new Lamborghini!

    • chicken thief

      Good point! I wonder if they will put a limit on how many you get per season or lifetime. A man could live pretty well ‘standing his ground’ once a year or two.

  • MrBlobfish

    Another reason to never visit The Confederate States of America

    • MsAnthropesMr

      Pity us poor folks living here.

    • Yeah, I had thought about taking the kids to Orlando to visit the amusement parks next year, but I think I’ll find another activity for us to do.

      • Spurning Beer

        Now that’s a boycot that would sting.

      • Riley Whodat Venable

        Nah, just shoot Goofy and claim you feared for your like. Your trip will be paid for.

    • Msgr_Moment

      Oh, I wish they’d suck some heavily salted rat Dixie,
      Hooray, Hooray!

  • 24601

    The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a dark skin is a good guy with a profit motive.

  • Msgr_Moment

    Too effing soon?!! IARIYAR, I guess.

  • A Grumpy Cat

    Okay, so, I can get $200K from Florida for killing a guy. (I’ll be my own attorney & therefore in addition to my well-earned salary, Netflix totally counts as a court expense, right? How else am I going to learn how to do the lawyering? They have, like, all the Law & Orders or something, right? I’d only have to watch the last half, apparently.)

    And I can get $80K from Kentucky for refusing to do my job. I can not do that job from Florida, right?

    Any other states in the country I can mooch off of? Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama?

    • chicken thief

      You can also too sell you plagarized art at the MooseLimb Free Gun Shoppe.

      • A Grumpy Cat

        But even plagiarizing takes effort. I’m clearly trying to avoid that. :(

    • You forgot refuse to sell nasty-ass pizza pies to gay weddings.

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      You can only mooch off Texas if you have an oil company.

      • A Grumpy Cat

        DISCRIMINATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Andres Herrera

    Well then I should just go out and shoot white boys, since they like to shoot up schools. I would be preventing a crime and defending society as a whole.

  • Anarchy Pony

    Australia is considering boycotting the US because of the gun violence. I await the wingnuts reasonable and well thought out response. With popcorn.

    • Msgr_Moment

      Bunker busters.

    • MsAnthropesMr

      Wouldn’t want to hurt no kangaroo.

    • Spotts1701

      Outback Steakhouse will be picketed! No more Bloomin’ Onions – Freedom Onions!

  • Msgr_Moment

    If shooting Floridians is right, I don’t wanna be wrong.

  • Lizzietish81
    • SadDemInTex

      This will never get old. I wish we knew who really wrote it.

  • So you shoot somebody because you don’t like the cut of their jib and Florida gives you money to pass on to your lawyer? Sounds like a win/win, in somebody’s book, at least.

    • Vegan and Tiara

      Lawyers will be thrilled with this windfall.

  • azeyote

    i think i read this before somewhere and the law was supposed to be retro active so it would include the Z man – hopefully i’m wrong – not that it would make it any better

  • Spurning Beer

    “The Gunshine State” indeed.

  • Fitzgerald Chesterfield

    In Carl Hiaasen’s next novel, nursing home workers riddle the bodies of the recently deceased with bullets, concoct self-defense stories, and collect!

    • Luthe Tucker

      I always said Hiaasen novels were really documentaries.

  • Rick Hill

    Are these fuckers trying to start out every week like this? It’s as though small sleeper cells are being activated over the weekend causing the gop and their minions to try to come up with the most outrageous attack against democracy, common sense and decency. We get it guys, you’re all dicks who should be chemically lobotomized.

  • Tina in Spokane WA

    “In nearly a third of the cases … defendants initiated the fight, shot an unarmed person or pursued their victim — and still went free.”
    Or in Zimmerman’s case, went for a hat trick!

    • Wombat

      The one time in his life when he manages to overachieve, and that’s what he does.

  • lesterthegiantape

    1. generate outrage through nonsense conditions attached to legislation
    2. get real agenda passed during ensuing backlash
    3. still become enraged that all your conditions weren’t met

    I’m so very tired of this.

  • eggsacklywright

    Paladin: Have Gub, Will Travel

  • RoyalUglyDude

    This will be a bonanza for the the lawyers (Also for all the grown men who like to play cowboy with real guns).

    • Playonwords

      Ever wonder about that crusty old rancher and his – errr – boys?/

  • thirdeblue

    So really you could never be guilty of a mass killing. After you killed the first person, everyone else would want to kill you, hence self-defense. Just make sure your first victim is black and happy hunting from there.

  • SuspectedDemocrat

    Book your Florida safari now. Our guides take you through the state’s poorest neighborhoods and expertly shout, “He’s comin’ right at us!”

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      Start in Liberty City. Of course the residents may shoot back.
      /s/

  • LegionOfDo

    If this passes, it would immediately present an incentive to shoot Florida lawmakers to death. Talk about unintended consequences…

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      I like it. They keep passing laws that put my life in jeopardy.

  • calliecallie

    May I’ll retire in Florida after all. If the cash bonus thing stayed, I could make a nice little living for myself standing my ground every couple of years.

  • Goposaur

    file under Florida Man…

  • DahBoner

    Who dropped Florida on it’s head when it was a baby?

    https://media2.giphy.com/media/110F1JFzWKtiA8/200w_d.gif

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      I blame it all on Andrew Jackson. He never beat the Seminoles, he just made them mad.

  • jesuswasablack

    Maybe the state should just buy every man women child a gun and give them the 200K in advance just in case?

  • JustPixelz

    You’re in a movie theatre in Florida. Someone walks in with a gun and sits behind you. Do you…
    a) feel safer?
    b) leave?
    c) shoot first and pay off your mortgage?

    • dshwa

      AOT,K (obligatory)

    • TheBidenator

      D) you shoot first, accidentally kill the unarmed person next to the armed guy, claim you were in fear of your life which thanks to the victim being blah means you get off scot free with 200k for your troubles and a pat on the bum.

  • Me not sure

    Only in Florida would it be looked upon as, in no way, a crazy conflict of interest for the state to spend money to both prosecute and defend the same individual. Global warming can’t submerge them fast enough for me.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    All they need now is a hunting license for “those people”. Year-round season, no limits … am I missing anything?

    • Suttree

      Taxpayer subsidized ammo?

  • Bill Slider

    Rising sea levels that will swallow all of Florida is a great idea. What do we need to do to speed up the process?

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      Barbacue every weekend. Mow your lawn frequently.

    • Suttree

      Buy a diesel VW.

    • say wha

      Vote Republican?

  • OHvoter83

    Number 1,998,789 why I will never again visit Florida.

    • Vegan and Tiara

      Maybe a Florida boycott would wake these hicks up out of their stupor?

      • Riley Whodat Venable

        Nah, I have relatives there. They won’t change, especially in the Panhandle. Northern Florida is Southern Georgia. Southern Florida is Northern Cuba. Central Florida is a swamp.

        • Vegan and Tiara

          I have relatives who live in Northern Florida, and I swear to God their neighborhood is comprised of nothing but meth labs and puppy mills. It’s like a part of America I didn’t even know existed. I visited once, and never went back. Shudder.

          • Riley Whodat Venable

            I haven’t visited in 35 years. Really scary.

        • cynmac

          Actually, South Georgia has an Island of Blue, Albany. North Florida has become it’s own beast.

  • TheBidenator

    Thanks to this bill George Zimmerman is seeing many opportunities to make a career out of killing young black men who it’s well established he hates with a passion and loved shooting so thanks again for being America’s cock, Florida. Will the melted ice caps eventually claim the entire state? I really, really wish it would….

    • Playonwords

      Short answer is yes, and a lot more quickly than the Governor realises. Minor rises in sea level will increase pressure on the water table and rapidly cause more sink holes as well as generating a potable water shortage.

      • AQuinn

        NOT. FAST. ENOUGH.

        My cousin and her husband just moved to FL, and he keeps posting on FB that the Oregon shooting was…wait, let me make sure I quote the derp accurately:

        “This is just the beginning, they are among us and you better be armed and capable of using it. Get training and be prepared.” Because OF COURSE this was jihad. Or something.

        He’s typical of the lot though – going on about how the “DEMS” just want free stuff…meanwhile he mooched off my dad by living in one of our houses for years for free, while trying to get him to “invest” money in his schemes. Hinted that he would like me to do some vaguely IT related work a while back as well (for free, I assume).

        Ahem. Sorry for the rant. I’ve been seething since he posted that yesterday.

        • Jen_Baker_VA

          You need to post on his FB “Moochers, like when you lived off Dad for all those years for nothing?”

          • cynmac

            No don’t feed the cray-cray. That’s why I stay away from my SIL.

          • AQuinn

            It’s true. I know nothing said to this man will ever break through the crazy. There’s too much stupid in the way.

          • AQuinn

            I’d love to…he and I aren’t actually FB friends for obvious reasons, but that gem I posted above was on the page of a cousin we have in common (who is extremely liberal and rather tartly asked which “they” he is referring to). She had posted the side by side numbers of deaths due to gun violence vs terrorism in the last 10 years. He flipped out that 9/11 wasn’t included because apparently he doesn’t do math good.

            I just flat out called him paranoid in my reply. I usually don’t get involved in FB drama but with all of this nonsense surrounding the GOP campaign I’ve made the conscious decision to not let stuff like this slide when I see it now, family or not. Eff him and his racism.

    • Axomamma

      Maybe we’ll get lucky on Wednesday and the promised end of the world will only involve Florida.

  • say wha

    Say, you know who else offered a financial incentive for killing?

    • Vegan and Tiara

      The US government?

    • Suttree

      Eric Prince?

    • Shibusa

      Planned Parenthood? I heard it on AM radio so it must be true.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    “In nearly a third of the cases … defendants initiated the fight, shot
    an unarmed person or pursued their victim — and still went free.”

    Put 12 “Florida Man” (and Woman)s on a jury, that’s what you get…+

    • Axomamma

      For a short time I transcribed Florida superior court criminal proceedings. I had to start refusing Florida cases after about six months because I couldn’t stand how really bad their court rules/laws are. During jury selection, the attorneys are allowed to have direct person-to-person conversations with jurors, asking them things like: “you agree X is a terrible crime and you promise that you will convict, right?” Yeah, it really is that bad. The defense attorneys try to be all cozy with the jurors as well but they’re at a distinct disadvantage, representing a “hardened criminal” who’s obviously guilty because otherwise why would they be charged and all

  • docterry6973

    I would strongly advise black people not to carry a gun in Florida. Just putting a target on your back.

    • arrrghle

      I would strongly advise black people to just stay the hell out of Florida altogether.

      • Duckbudder

        I would strongly advise people to just stay the hell out of Florida altogether.

        FIFY

  • Vecciojohn
  • Vegan and Tiara

    Let me get this straight – the same party of fucktards that thinks women are profiting off of the abortions that they have to pay for, are going to incentivize actual murderers with $200,000 for their inconvenience at having to attend court proceedings? Oh, Party of Stupid, how can you get any stupider????

    • LarkintheAM

      Just when you think they can’t get any lower, they always manage to excavate another level lower.

      • Vegan and Tiara

        I’ve posted an article that Paul Krugman wrote about the current GOP, which he calls “The Blackmail Caucus.” He gives a great explanation about how they’re getting crazier and crazier and dragging the rest of us down with them.

  • AnOuthouse

    Too soon? Its never too soon to loosen gun regulations.

    • As long as you’re not talking about anything as foolish as the irreputable harm guns cause in our society. Because THAT would be “politicizing a tragedy” in an insensitive manner.

  • Dee Andee

    Oh, that’s just fuckin’ PEACHY…sheesus Florida.

  • grmpy

    Wait ’til a minority tries to use that!! This country is headed towards civil war it’s like they’re practically sprinting us there.

  • OddMan

    Ahh, the old “Bait N Switch” way to introduce legislation.
    Both sides been using this one for years.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Both sides do it!!!!1!!!!!!

  • Beezelbubbles
  • Always with the government handouts. Why don’t unpunished murderers get jobs on the right-wing talk circuit like they did in the olden days?

  • If I ever run for office, I will wear my “0” rating from the NRA as a badge of honor. I wish actual elected officials would do this.

    • Shibusa

      It looks too much like a bullseye.

      • Objectifer

        Or a surveyors mark.

  • Let me get this straight. Florida Republicans want a huge cash handout from taxpayers…for criminal defendants…just because MAH GUNZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I…I…I…okay, I don’t think a puppy/kitten pic can calm me down, much less restore my sanity…

  • SadDemInTex

    Once again I want to thank Florida for being a national disgrace in such a magnificent fashion that I can raise my head for a moment in Texas.

  • SadDemInTex

    On a serious note: The rest of the world thinks we are insane.

  • Matthew Huffman

    Move to Florida, look out your front door for people to shoot, win $200,000? How is this not a game show?

  • gratuitous

    Now Florida can claim that it’s doing a bang-up job (you should excuse the expression) of public funding for criminal defense, just like a real state that takes care of its citizens.

  • AlanInSF

    The most important freedom of all is the freedom to be murdered by a firearm.

  • Last Hussar

    Easy to pay for this. 1000% sales tax on all guns and ammo. Not banning them.

    • the NRA will scream “undue burden” that will “infringe” on their rights to shoot anybody they want.

  • disqus_sXjbTdnd2C

    I actually believe Fla & Texas are in a race to see who will reach the top rung first on the crazy ladder.

  • Bitter Scribe

    IANAL, but I do know “self-defense” is an affirmative defense, and “affirmative defense” basically means “Yes, I did it, but I was legally justified in doing it.” The reason it’s called an affirmative defense is that it shifts the burden of proof onto the defendant, which is only logical. Otherwise the prosecution would have to prove a negative, which is close to impossible.

    • the problem with that is these laws – the Stand Your Ground and now this bounty law – switch the rules so that the prosecution CAN’T prove the negative: the “self-defense” resides entirely in the shooter’s mind, which can’t get cross-examined in the courtroom, and can negate every physical evidence on hand.
      As a result, a guy walking down the street can just pull out his gun and shoot some teenager for no sane reason at all, and claim “self-defense” by arguing “I feared for my safety because that kid was wearing a hoodie”, and THEN the state would let him go and hand over $200 thousand.
      Say hello to Bounty-Land if that law ever passes and worse if it ever survives the courts.

    • Axomamma

      No, actually, an affirmative defense requires the prosecution to prove it is not true, not that the defendant has to prove that it is true. All the defendant has to do is say it is so.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    What is the medical term for Florida?

  • Gleem-McShinez

    Well, at least he figured out a viable solution to the Underpants Gnome Business Plan

    1. Collect Underpants
    2. ???? Murder someone in “self defense”
    3. PROFIT!!!

  • Jen_Baker_VA

    I think there needs to be a go fund me to purchase kevlar vests for every non white person in florida.

    • Axomamma

      What’s the point unless you also wear a kevlar helmet and face mask with no holes for seeing, breathing or hearing?

  • jmk

    Holy shitballs. This has got to be in the top ten of stupid legislative ideas of all time. And I’ll bet the NRA is all over this like flies on shit, if for no other reason than to attempt to bulk up their “gunz protect you” bullshit.

    I recently read an article pointing out that less than 1% of either attempted or completed violent or property crimes involved the intended victim using a firearm in self defense in a four year period…and another one that detailed how the NRA cooked up their bullshit “protection” statistics.

    http://www.armedwithreason.com/less-guns-less-crime-debunking-the-self-defense-myth/

    http://www.armedwithreason.com/debunking-the-defensive-gun-use-myth/

  • psychobroad

    Jesus fucking Christ. Black people, you’d better get the hell out of Florida if you can–if that thing passes, it’s OFFICIALLY open season on your asses.

    • Lewis

      I would contend that the best way to “cure” white politicians of their gun fetish is if POC take advantage of these “laws” and arm themselves to the teeth! And start blasting whitey away because they were in fear for their lives.

  • herrointment

    This stuff is getting a bit out of hand but you gotta do what believe is right and by golly they are doin’ it.

  • Can we pay Florida to drink gasoline and light itself on fire?

    Kickstarter here we come!

  • Socialist Cubone

    The South was so much cooler when people did lynchings because it was their passion, now it’s all about the money.

  • grumblestiltskin

    Do these people pelts need to be exclusively Floridian? I mean, are Disney tourists worth anything?

    • we’re just gonna start up a scoring system like Death Race 2000 in the Sunshine State…

  • Boy i bet these people sponsoring this must be REALLY MAD that Shonda Rhimes has claimed the title, “How to Get Away With Murder.”

  • how many other wrongful prosecution cases regarding oh drug possession deserve the victim receiving $200k from the state of their troubles? Why only gun-shooters? Oh right. Because the Far Right are all about protecting their golden calf the ALMIGHTY GUN.

  • Boy nothing says “responsible gun owner” like trying to get out of that responsibility, eh?

    But what do I know? I guess as long as you’re willing to shoot someone you’re “responsible” enough.

  • Tony Prost

    I am never leaving the west coast.

  • OldDiogenes

    Florida has really turned into a pit since radical right-wingers took over. It’s a shame. FL used to be a decent state.

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