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Their loved ones ask that they be remembered alive and smiling.
Their loved ones ask that they be remembered alive and smiling.

This is what we will tell you about the two young TV journalists for Virginia station WDBJ who were shot to death on Wednesday, on air. Reporter Alison Parker had just turned 24, and had celebrated her birthday with her colleague and boyfriend, Chris Hurst. Cameraman Adam Ward, 27, was engaged to the station’s morning producer, Melissa Ott.

In a press conference Wednesday afternoon, police identified Vester Lee Flanagan, whose on-air name was Bryce Williams, as the suspect. After fleeing the incident, Flanagan shot himself, was taken to the hospital in critical condition, and has since died from his self-inflicted gunshot.

WDBJ’s president and general manager Jeffrey Marks said that Flanagan was a former employee, who was fired in 2013 after a number of unspecified incidents. Marks said he was “difficult to work with.”

The murders were recorded, both by Ward, who was filming the live interview of Chamber of Commerce spokeswoman Vicki Gardner, who was also shot but is reported to be in stable condition, as well as by the suspect, who appears to have uploaded his first-person shooter video to Facebook and Twitter. Colleagues, friends, and family of the slain journalists have asked that the videos not be posted and auto-played and shared online to be Liked! or OMG’d with a sadface emoji. There is zero value in the mass consumption of these videos, and YouTube agrees:

YouTube tweet

And we agree.

We will not be forcing you to watch the video of two people shot to death on the job. We will not be showing you the suspect’s own video of his gruesome crime. Nor will we be endlessly posting pictures of his face from his various social media platforms for you, over and over and over again, so that you might conclude from this posture on Facebook or that wicked smile on Instagram, that yes, he sure does look guilty.

We will not be rejoicing in his death. Nor, had he survived, would we have demanded he fry for his crimes. We leave that to the professional bloodlusters like Nancy Grace, who has already assured CNN’s viewing audience multiple times that the death penalty is legal in Virginia.

ABC News reports, and police confirm, that he faxed a 23-page document to ABC News, which has since been turned over to the authorities. Police did not disclose the contents of his apparent manifesto, or his potential motive, other than to say, “It’s obvious that this gentleman was disturbed in some way.”

Fox News reports that it has obtained this apparent manifesto and in it, Flanagan explains that the Charleston massacre, in which white supremacist Dylann Roof murdered nine African-Americans for the explicit purpose of starting a race war, was his “tipping point.” Presumably, we’ll learn more from this manifesto, and then, yes, wingnut-o-sphere, we can all speculate about how this might have been about race. We’ll wait, however, until we actually know that. We hear that’s how journalism is supposed to work.

We will not be blaming The Gays. Or The Blacks. Or abortion. Or Obama. Or high taxes. Or the absence of Jesus in public schools. Or gun-free zones. Or liberals who do not know the difference between a Heckler & Koch and a Glock. Or the victims.

We will talk about what we know, as we know it. We will try to get it right and not breathlessly report every rumor we see on the interweb. We will talk about how yes, it is time, it is fuck fuck fuck FUCKING long past time, to talk about gun reform. Especially in a place like Virginia, where it is practically mandatory for all men, women, children, and puppies to be armed at all times.

Count on that.

And count on some kittens. Or maybe baby pandas. Because it’s that kind of day.

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  • timpundit

    I support this so much. Thank you.

  • Marceline
    • jmk

      Oh man… sigh…

    • Gleem-McShinez

      Great. And just when Wonket decides not to sensationalize or run speculation stories.

      They could totally blame this on the murderer, or the lion-murdering dentist.

      Snarktank: Now Empty :(

    • Blank Ron

      Bloody hell…

  • 1captainhooker1

    Good call.

  • Viva La Tabula Raza

    Bravo. But try to go lightly with the baby pandas, they look like giant pink slugs and they really aren’t cute at all, objectively speaking. Kittens are fine.

    • riledupone

      How about white mice?

      • H0mer0

        OMG, how big is that mouse?(or how small is that teddy bear?)

  • kaw143

    And here is some help on the puppy front (press the space bar to advance):

    http://openpuppies.com/#Qnf8N

    And thank you, Wonkette, for the responsible reporting.

  • baconzgood

    This makes Baconz angry!!!!! LETS ONLY HURT PEOPLE WITH “WORDS” and not weapons.
    As much as Baconzgood was bullied in Jr. High School…..I never shot some one.
    Killing or hurting someone is LAME!
    I find this VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO MASTERBATE TO.
    (end snark)

    • jmk

      I couldn’t agree more with baconz. Well said.

    • Werewolf

      Werewolf was bullied mercilessly in elementary school, and never shot anyone, either.

  • bluicebank

    I’m old enough to recall when people like Kaili were doing journalism. Hell, the dead tree version departments were lousy with such.

    But then a thing happened. Runaway steamroller or something.

  • Ilgattomorte

    I never thought I’d complement someone for breaking no news but, nice work!
    Now if we could just get the rest of the media to shut the fuck up when they have no information …

  • Spotts1701

    I’m very okay with this.

  • gene108

    Twin babies having a discussion

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JmA2ClUvUY

    • Steven Posey

      I’m surprised to see the GOP debate without a Fox News logo in the corner.

    • Dave

      They appear to be having a discussion over morality having an ice cream sandwich before dinner.

    • TheBidenator

      “You look more like Donald Trump”
      “No you do”
      “Well you look more like Todd Starnes”
      “Momma!”

    • doktorzoom

      Least productive ballet practice ever.

    • H0mer0

      I loved it when my twins would have deep discussions like that which didn’t involve biting.

  • differentdrummer

    See, Mr. Gray? THIS is why a winner is Kaili Joy. If she had Sold Out to Corporate Media, she’d have been forced to engage in breathless speculation and probably been fired for vomiting on-air.

    This is better. Way, way better.

  • Gun control. Now.

    • glasspusher

      The sooner the better. Also, how about a shift in the nation’s attitudes towards guns, to go along with it?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        They might have my attitude toward them, in that they are tools for basically one thing…to rend flesh and terminate life, and they should be treated with great respect and caution.

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  • Marie Watkins Crocker

    Kittehs!

    Sorry, that’s the only sensible reaction I have at this time.

  • Michael Smith

    The nice pictures I keep seeing of those two kids make me smile despite everything.

  • AngryBlakGuy

    …you left out guns, can we please blame easy access to guns?!?!

    • Viva La Tabula Raza

      “Of course we can blame easy access to guns. Easy access to guns for black people, that is.”
      —Breitbart etc.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        The shitty grade Z movie star led the way! Sacramento, 1967.

    • ongre11

      “We will talk about how yes, it is time, it is fuck fuck fuck FUCKING long past time, to talk about gun reform.” If Sandy Hook didn’t do it, what makes anyone think it will happen this time?

      • Shibusa

        Sandy Hook…false flag…hoax…LIBOR…Mossad death squads…UN Small Arms Treaty…Hitler…yaddayadda.

        • AngryBlakGuy

          …BENGHAZI!!!

      • AngryBlakGuy

        …meh, I don’t want to “talk” I want to “blame”!!!

  • Beth H

    Very nicely stated,,,

  • sudden_eyes

    Thank you. So fucking much.

  • whatwhomever

    Only thing certain to happen because of this: gun nuts will buy lots more guns. Because that’s always what happens.

    It amuses/saddens me when certain far-right media nuts talk about things like this as “false flag” operations designed to take everyone’s guns away, because that never happens. Given the only inevitable outcome of incidents like this, it seems more likely that such incidents are part of a viral marketing strategy by gun manufacturers, since they always seem to be the only ones who benefit.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      The “false flag” is always unfurled and flying at Smith&Wesson and Colt. It’s good for moving product.

    • JustPixelz

      If I were running the false flag, I’d use muslins.

      • jmk

        ISWYDT

  • willi0000000

    i slept late today . . . this is an awful thing to wake up to . . . thank you for not sensationalizing, speculating or otherwise ‘pumping up’ this story . . . i am more than sufficiently enraged . . . and sad.

    once again i am shown that no words are adequate to describe the horror of the murders or ease the suffering of the victims’ families.

    [ i hate that language is so poor a tool ]

  • coozledad

    Thirty years for anyone who sells a gun used in a gun crime. Minimum.

    • JustPixelz

      I agree except as “sells, lends or gives a gun without a background check”

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Will the march of anti-freedumb ever be stopped? The drooling twits of FreeRepublic.com demand an answer!

      • Rasilom

        And that is a MAJOR part of the problem. NO background check is required for a private sale of a firearm. If I go to a gun store I will have a half assed bg check done. If I go to a garage sale no requirement for one. This is the type of crap that needs to get fixed to start getting a handle on these issues. BTW the samme lack if bg checks applies at most gun shows… go figure.

        • JustPixelz

          That’s kinda my thinking. If you sell without getting a background check (through a licensed dealer), you can/should be legally responsible for whatever happens with that gun later. Charged with a crime or sued or both.

          • Rasilom

            Then we need to change the law. Right now the NRA and the teatards fight tooth and nail against any and I mean ANY legislation to mandate this one simple thing. They claim it infringes on honest gun owners rights. I say Bullshit, if you think you can’t pass the bg check and want to avoid it you SHOULD not own any gun, rifle or pistol.

          • thixotropic jerk

            Passed a law here in Oregon to expand background checks to (almost) all sales. And then what happened? The local law enforcement nutbars (Sheriffs-Shits-For-Brainz, mostly) are telling us how jizzed they are to not enforce it. “INFRINGES ON MAH 2ND AMMOMENT RAHTS11!1!!” and all that other crap. If you can’t get John Law behind the deal, THEN what’s the solution? Wish I knew…

    • Rasilom

      Maybe if the gun was sold illegally, but the real sad truth is that in most places it is very easy to purchase a gun. Here in Alaska I could walk into a store (I know as I have done this) and walk out with a firearm in about 30min, legally. They will even sell me a great big box of ammo at the same time. Is the Fred Meyers employee supposed to go to jail for 30 years because he did his job and followed the law? I have a gun because I hike and camp in bear country. It is locked in a safe and unloaded unless I on the trail. There are actually many legitimate reasons to iwn a gun. The problem is the limited background checks in place and the lack of communication between mental health care professionals and all the different law enforcement agencies. I am all for waiting periods and extremely thorough background checks. Just not into sending the store clerk to jail for following the currently screwed up law.

      • glasspusher

        I applaud reasonable and safe gun owners, and reasonable and safe people everywhere.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Nancy Grace is a vile genital wart on humanity.

    • JustPixelz

      Genital warts resent that comparison.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Yeah, my phone is ringing off the hook with lawsuit threats from genital warts.

        • TheBidenator

          Donald Trump is suing you too, eh? :rim shot:

        • Gleem-McShinez

          Great, when did genital warts get their own NRA-style lobbying group?

      • Redgyal

        So does humanity.

    • TheBidenator

      She’s a lanced boil that keeps weeping….

    • dslindc

      Ann Coulter libel!

    • Jared James

      If only she could be treated as quickly and painlessly as spraying her with some liquid nitrogen and waiting for her to fall off of humanity.

    • marxalot

      One of us, I forget who, once got tongue tied and said “Nazi Grace.” The moniker has stuck.

  • Shibusa

    But by all means, even though it is “obvious that this gentleman was disturbed in some way”, let’s keep it super-easy for people like him to get their hands on unlimited guns and ammo.

  • TheBidenator

    “Oh sure, you won’t be talking about gun ranges and professional shooters, though so that’s mah loophole!”
    – Deleted commenters who will no doubt SOB over the possibility that pro-shooters might not be able to shoot skeet on ESPN outweighing 30,000 dead people every year.

  • weejee

    Room for some pigs with the kittehs?

    • jmk

      Yes please.

      • HeywoodJablomey

        squeeee!

  • Ryan Denniston

    I approve.

  • Joshua Norton

    And count on some kittens. Or maybe baby pandas. Because it’s that kind of day.

    It’s also #NationalDogDay.

    Ralph The Dog Absolutely Did Not Eat Your Tater Tots

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhDXOKzKrk0&feature=youtu.be

    • bobbert

      Thank you. That actually made me laugh, which is a good trick right now.

  • JustPixelz

    Rest assured that tonight’s news coverage will, as usual, be a camera pointed at Donald Trump for 5-6 hours.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Whatever is good for ratings. These people are such whores.

      • Vienna Woods

        Yeah. Today on the CTV cable news (stuck at my mom’s, so watching it all fucking day at full volume) the anchor had the unmitigated gall to ask “Why are we so fascinated by this shocking situation?”
        BECAUSE YOU FUCKING WON’T SHUT UP ABOUT IT.

      • Whore libelz!!!!!!111

    • chicken thief

      The only blessing of Trump-mania is that CNN has taken a break from their missing Malaysian airliner coverage.

  • Treg Brown

    Wow.
    This picture.
    I totally own that I’m a big crybaby, but I’m taking my parents out to dinner tonight just to have their company. You never know, do you?

  • AlanInSF

    U.S.: 3.2 gun homicides per 100,000 population. England and Wales: .07 gun homicides per 100,000 people. For the non-math literate, that means you’re 46 times more likely to be murdered by a gun in the U.S. Proving conclusively that gun control doesn’t work and guns make us safer.

    • chicken thief

      But what are the ‘death by auto accident’ stats for perspective, COMMIE?!!!!!!

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Cars don’t kill people – drivers kill people.

    • Mathew G. Smith

      Mexico: No concealed carry, no open carry, one state run gun store, 11.17.

      There’s a lot more than just gun control needed to get England’s numbers.

      • Gleem-McShinez

        I wonder if being right next door to the Nation Of Gun Freedomization Who Ain’t Readin’ Half An Amendment™ (FOR FREEDOM©) has anything to do with Mexico’s dismal numbers?

        Probably not. I should just move somewhere else instead of thinking about things rationally.

        • Mathew G. Smith

          Didn’t say it wasn’t, I just said there’s more than one variable.

          Hell, we just had that big stink about the US government trying to fight weapons smuggling by just selling to the cartels directly and then utterly failing to track the weapons sold.

          • Gleem-McShinez

            Funny, those weapons? Technically sold legally. By AZ citizens, not sold by Federal agents.

            Funny, the NRA virus-carriers would have you simultaneously blame Obama for wanting to take your guns, and also blame Obama for not taking those guns.

      • Keith Rodgers

        One gun shop:one Planned Parenthood. I could live with that ratio

    • Hencer612

      Look at per-capita crime. The U.S. isn’t so bad. But, go ahead and move to Mexico and let us know how that works out for you.

      • jmk

        And the Non Sequitur of the Day award goes to…

        • Hencer612

          Actually it fits in well. People constantly bring up “other countries have half the gun crimes the U.S. does” but fail to realize that overall crime is still a lot higher. So what would you prefer — gun crime being a bigger percentage of overall crime or overall crime higher? Common sense, you lack.

          • jmk

            When the conversation is about preventable gun deaths, the number of people who pick pockets in Serbia isn’t relevant….and since we’re not being confronted with a choice between the two options, it’s nothing more than a weak attempt at deflection.

          • Hencer612

            You fail to display basic comprehension. The argument that other countries have fewer gun-related deaths is mute when you realize that those countries have a higher crime-per-capita. Would you rather have fewer gun-related deaths (most of which are suicide, by the way) or less overall crime? I’d rather live in the U.S. than Mexico & Brazil (all of which have stricter gun laws) or Honduras. But again, that’s just me.

          • jmk

            Oh, the argument is “mute”?

            Your logic is as sketchy as your word choice. Leaving aside the utter idiocy of your claim that it’s an “either/or” choice between lower crime or fewer gun deaths, the “argument that other countries have fewer gun-related deaths” stops right there – there would be fewer gun-related deaths if we instituted sensible gun-control measures. Period. How that would THEN affect the overall crime rate, or the behavior of penguins in Antarctica, or the price of tea in China is immaterial. The overall crime rate is not the issue in focus – the problem of a massive number of gun deaths in the US is.

            No one – NO ONE – sensible claims that all crime goes away if guns are eliminated…that’s a blatant straw man designed (like your apples-to-lawn-furniture comparison of the US to Mexico and Brazil) to deflect attention away from the actual issue, which is that guns are FAR too easily available. Study after study has shown that the mere presence of a gun in a home increases the odds of suicide, accident, and domestic violence exponentially…all three of which are problems WE have, which all your lack of logic, false comparisons, and straw men does nothing to resolve.

          • Hencer612

            Most gun-related deaths are suicide. But mass shootings is easier for you liberals to latch onto.
            Most gun-related deaths are caused by individuals who illegally obtained the gun.
            The U.S. has 300M guns. Those aren’t going away anytime soon.
            Chicago has strict gun regulations — gun-related crime is increasing in Chicago.
            My argument about the UK is completely valid. Take away guns, guess what, they find other weapons to commit crimes. So you’re okay with getting killed with a knife, but not a gun?

            Do we need to stop letting mentally instable people obtain guns? Yes. But the bigger issue is mental health, not weapons.

          • jmk

            I see… so because sensible gun control measures won’t eliminate all crime, make mentally ill people better, solve global climate change, make the flowers bloom, and usher in the Age of Aquarius, let’s not have ANY of it, and blame something – anything!! – else for all the deaths by gunshot. If it’s not perfect, then it can’t be good, right?

            In the first place, Einstein, I have a lot better chance of surviving a knife attack than I do of surviving a gunshot wound. Knife-wielding attackers have to touch their victims. It takes force and effort to push a knife into someone and you have to feel their breath on you and feel their flesh and their blood on you…and the victim has the chance to fight back. You don’t even have to be in the same room with someone to shoot them to death. It’s too easy to kill with a gun – since, unlike with knives and baseball bats and cars and golf clubs and any other object that has been used to kill someone – it’s the gun’s only function. To kill. THAT alone makes it not like other things.

            Secondly, because of gunhumpers and the ammosexual lobby, this country is awash in guns… and every illegal gun started out as a legal one. Twits buy guns “for protection” despite the fact that dogs provide far better home protection, since burglars wait until you’re not home to steal your stuff, including your guns. Stolen guns are then sold on…meaning that criminals can get their hands on guns with remarkable ease.

            Thirdly, as to your claim about suicides, you know, a few years ago in the UK, health workers began to notice that a lot of people who attempted or committed suicide did so using paracetamol (called acetaminophen in the US), which is toxic in relatively small doses. In response, the government instituted a regulation that required manufacturers to change the cap design so that it would dispense only one tablet at a time. That made it more time-consuming to acquire the number of tablets needed for a toxic dose, giving people time to contemplate their actions… and the number of suicides and attempted suicides by paracetamol plummeted as a result. Did it solve the problem of ALL suicide? No…but there are people who, because they had the time to slow down and not act on impulse, are alive today as a result of the change in cap design. People get suicidal, but without the immediate means to act on that impulse, the impulse often passes. Reducing availability of guns to the suicidal will have the same effect.

            When I hear gunhumpers going on with their false equivalencies and their claims that since gun control legislation won’t turn everything into kittens and glitter, nothing should be done, I think of paracetamol and the lives that were saved and I wonder how you folks have the fucking nerve to blandly suggest that the prevalence of suicide and mass shootings and kids shooting themselves in the head is inevitable and unchangeable and is an acceptable price to pay so that Bubba doesn’t have to try to find his driver’s license or wait for the results of a background check when he wants to buy another peen-extension.

  • TheBidenator

    Well it appears the right wing has already taken this to mean time for their race war or something….
    This disgusting act does not wash out Dylann Roof’s disgusting, hatefilled act either…the only commonality we should focus on is the guns and easy access to guns which led to both of these heinous crimes.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Sorry, it’s too early to talk about guns, even in the case of the JFK assassination.

      • chicken thief

        We haven’t even gotten to the point of discussing Burr-Hamilton yet.

        • thixotropic jerk

          The country really went to shit when we outlawed duels. Now, only outlaws can duel!

    • chiefkurtz

      Because we know targeting folks who work at the place you were fired from, and with whom you have a beef is IDENTICAL to targeting strangers at a church in SC, or a movie theater in LA or CO, or a school in VA, MA, NY, PA, etc…….amirite?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        The perp was blah. Therefore, yes, it’s the same, because blah is the great equalizer in all these cases!

      • Zack

        Yeah dude lived in Southwest Virginia, believe me, if he wanted to murder white people at random these two would not have been the first ones he encountered.

    • this is correct. no race is free of members who hate or who are mentally ill or violent or bigoted or gun nuts.

      all races would benefit from gun control.

  • Mathew G. Smith

    Can we also talk about why a violently mentally ill man went undetected and untreated until three people were dead? Seems like that’s also relevant here.

    • Zack

      Mental illness is only a factor in white mass shootings, silly!

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Virginia. That is all you need to know about why a mentally ill nutjob went undetected and untreated

      • Captain Kraut

        Usually they get elected instead…

    • mrpuma2u

      You mean more funding for the mentally ill? Now you’re REALLY talking crazy.

  • Marceline
    • Beaumarchais?

      Good for them; I hope they ignore the inevitable backlash. Their customers are not going to shop somewhere else.

    • Anarchy Pony

      The wingnuts will be pissed.

    • Biff52

      But not for any reasons beyond the financial. They say they’re not selling enough of them to keep them in stock.

      • Marceline

        Of course they’re saying that. Can you imagine what the gun humpers would do if they said anything else?

        • Biff52

          As cynical as I am, I can’t imagine I never considered they were being anything less than honest! Thanks for pointing that out. In my defense, I do try to limit my exposure to all things walmart.

    • Lord-Nash

      Why the piss was Wal-Mart allowed to sell assault weapons in the first place?

  • Me not sure

    I’ve always suspected that American exceptionalism might have something to do with the exceptional number of times we simply pull the trigger on one another. It takes a little over 2 years for us to kill a Viet Nam War Memorial’s worth of Americans. Maybe if we erected one of those every two tears for victims of domestic shootings people would wake up.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      I rather doubt that, because a lot of people can’t put two and two together and find four. I daresay that can’t find three or five, either.

      • Me not sure

        Wait…. you said there wouldn’t be any math.

    • Viva La Tabula Raza

      Such a collection of monuments would already completely take up all the land mass of Rhode Island with a good chunk of SE Massachusetts thrown in as well.

      • Me not sure

        When we give out of land here there’s always Guam.

        • bobbert

          Have to be careful not to tip it over, though.

      • marxalot

        Let’s just convert Delaware. There’s nothing there we’ll miss, right?

        • HobbesEvilTwin

          nothing there but people corporations

    • OneYieldRegular

      Maya Lin is going to have to dig down to the mantle if she hopes to build a memorial deep enough.

    • Lord-Nash

      “Maybe if we erected one of those every two tears for victims of domestic shootings people would wake up.”
      Serious mike drop dude.

  • glasspusher

    Sad, sad, sad. Let’s all honor them by being classy. RIP.

  • DahBoner

    No one could have predicted that easy access to our manufacturer’s products could have led to the murder of innocent Americans. *

    * = NRA Lawyers

  • chicken thief

    One of my kids went to college in Roanoke. I liked that city.

  • dslindc

    “We’ll wait, however, until we actually know that. We hear that’s how journalism is supposed to work.”

    Bravo! Classiest post on this I’ve seen yet.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      But…but…it would be IRRESPONSIBLE not to speculate!

      Thank you, Peggy “Another gin fizz please, Manuel” Noonan!

  • Thurman Munster IV

    I feel like murding with votes

  • Hemp Dogbane

    The right to keep and bear a trusty Webley-Vickers 50-80 shall not be infringed.

    • jmk

      You forgot to add “ta pocketa-pocketa-pocketa”

  • OneYieldRegular

    Watching such videos has always seemed to me in extremely bad taste, but in the case it seems like outright collaboration with the shooter’s intentions.

    Also, after Sandy Hook, I ended my friendships with any friends who still insisted on owning guns. I’d rather put my faith in people like Spencer Stone, Alek Skarlatos, Anthony Sadler and Chris Norman, who proved that guns have zero to do with courage.

    • Jen_Baker_VA

      Some gun owners are good people. You can tell the difference because those are the folk who do not mistake bravery for owning one

      • OneYieldRegular

        I don’t doubt that some are good people. But if they insist, after this tsunami of blood, on keeping guns for “protection,” and “self-defense,” and “to stop the bad guys,” and “my Second Amendment rights!” then they can go and be “good people” around somebody else.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        If it’s a handgun they own, and are not in active law enforcement, then, no, I don’t think they are good people. Because the only reason to own a handgun is to shoot somebody.

        • Rasilom

          Wrong wrong wrong. I own a hand gun and have ZERO desire to shoot anyone. Here in Alaska I can even conceled carry with no permit. I don’t. I aslo don’t open carry either, unless I am out hiking. My gun is for bear defence and that is all it is for. So of us gun owners are good folks and even liberal. Don’t confuse the tool with the jackass holding it. Judge the use and circumstances. If you read my post further down you will find I think that the current bg checks and waiting times in this country are screwed up. So PLEASE don’t paint me with the same brush you use for wack jobs like the total degenerate that committed this horrible act.

          • marxalot

            I live in a house with and have fired handguns for sport (I don’t own any because I like to spend my money on tuition). Living in a place where there are actual bears outside makes owning a pistol a sensible move. Since I have no such circumstance, I would happily trade my ability to turn money into loud noises and holes in cans for 30,000 lives annually. We need better laws, ones that aren’t written by the NRA and ALEC.

          • Rasilom

            Amen to that.

          • Lord-Nash

            Rasil, great points. House, please forgive my presumption here but…”Because the only reason to own a handgun multiple handguns is to shoot somebody.”
            FTFY
            I’m not really afraid of the person with A handgun, but I’m really afraid of the person with MULTIPLE handguns. Seriously, you have two hands, why does someone need more than two handguns?

  • maman

    Can we blame the victims for not having eyes in the backs of their heads? IF they had seen him coming they could have been good guys with guns. But you can’t when you are ambushed.

  • Redgyal

    Can we blame the media for stirring hatred and division? Or is that supposed to be Barry’s fault?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      EVERYTHING is B. Barry Bamz fault. To include the sinking of the Lusitania and both Defenestrations of Prague.

      • Steverino247

        Obama has always been with us. The greatest thing Obama ever did was convincing us he was elected twice (or however that stupid bullshit about Satan goes).

      • VandeGraf

        He’s also responsible for Aunt Lucille’s prune compote! The villain!

  • sw19womble

    HTH

  • Lady Bug

    I think this calls for Donna Rose pics.

  • elviouslyqueer

    I’m gonna go home and hug all my puppies and kittehs. And my hubby too.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Unlike Dylann Roof, the shooter here was black, and he shot white people, so clearly it’s all about race this time.
    Wish I was kidding, but I’ll bet $10,000 of Mitt’s money that the wingnut blogs will be full of it.

    • azeyote

      that’s like a penny of mine – but i’d lose so – no bet

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      FFS
      https://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/breitbart.png

      Hadn’t even gotten to the prior posts here. Right wing fuckwads are so predictable.

      • Skewed_View

        So it’s only ok to talk about possible racial motivations when it’s a white person killing a black person. Got it.

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          When it’s a white person killing a black person and telling the world he was motivated by race, yes. Glad to clear that up for you.

          • he_who_scoffs_at_danger

            He faxed a manifesto/suicide note to ABC in which he said it was about race.

          • thixotropic jerk

            If you actually read the note, well, what has been released from it, it is indeed about race– and about killing cats, and about being harassed and bullied for being gay, and about hearing jehovah talking to him, and about being “…all f—– up in the head,” IOW it was about being mentally ill, like most of these murderers. But you go ahead, you Slyboots you, amaze us with your insights!

          • Skewed_View

            Don’t forget any time a white police officer shoots a black suspect.

          • thixotropic jerk

            And the epidemic of black-on-black crime, did you also mean to say? I would guess that you might be a teensy bit racist but then if i said that you might just accuse me of being the real racist, I’ll save you the effort and wish you a happy trolly kinda day, or I would if Wonkette allowed comments which, sadly, they don’t.

  • Carl Christensen

    Today is surely the disgusting NRA dream — now they have an actual “lamestream media” snuff film to fap to…..

  • VandeGraf

    Gun reform, absofuckinglutely! Past due!

  • Mavenmaven

    I blame Pat Robertson.

  • Anarchy Pony

    And the number of gun purchases will of course skyrocket again.

    • unionthuggery

      These shootings are the best thing for gun sales short of the election of a Democrat president. I go by a gun shop every day, and when this stuff happens they are packed from open to close.

    • BackDoorMan

      … I would have thought that the “erhmagerd! deys cummin ta git mah guns!”-crowd would have already assembled an arsenal at home and are probably running out of space. I mean, a trailer only has so much room… and how many books of Food Stamps to you have to collect before you can trade them for a gun?

      • Anarchy Pony

        That’s when they start burying them in the yard.

        • BackDoorMan

          … yeah, but what happens when they get evicted, don’t have a map, and can’t remember where they buried them? If the squirrels learn how to work the trigger, we’re all in for a world of hurt (I’m already fighting those fucking rodents and they’re already winning despite the fact I’m supposedly more intelligent – although more compassionate – than they are).

  • Gleem-McShinez

    Are you in a militia that is regulated? Are you providing security connected to your free State?

    No? No gun for you.

    Sorry pal. Don’t be mad at me, it’s right there in the invisible part of your favorite Amendment.

  • Cheesus Crust

    I am not advocating this… I just don’t believe anything will get done in this country until someone walks into the actual NRA HQ and shoots it up, then manages to get away and take his/her own life.

    It can happen in gun shows, it can happen at gun ranges, it can happen in gun stores – it doesn’t matter. All that’s going to matter (and maybe not even then) is when it happens at the actual gun humper HQ.

    • differentdrummer

      It won’t even take any killings – just the Black Lives Matter movement aggressively advocating open carry in states where it’s legal.

    • SadDemInTex

      I have had the same thought and I have had also the thought that if the Black Lives Matter movement would advocate for open carry with black women carrying the guns…now that would be interesting.

  • Bad Granny
  • marxalot

    Wonkette: mommyblog, warblog, recipe hub, and upholders of basic journalistic goddamn ethics. And, you know, practicers of human decency, despite all the snarkiness. Thanks, Kaili.

    • PirateCafe

      And they don’t allow comments!

  • Playonwords

    Thank you – and here are some animated knee socks

    https://youtu.be/VzvDiq1vZuM

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      Black footed ferret kits

      Ooh, neat! Are they hard to assemble? What kind of glue do you use?

  • SadDemInTex

    This is why Jon Stewart quit. I hope he is happily puttering around his farm and never listens to the news ever again. Jon, you’ve suffered enough….please now pat the pigs for me. We will now just shrug our shoulders and move on…becasue after little tiny babies are massacred that is what we do…so what’s couple of adults? Nothing to see here…move along.

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      He’s MC-ing for the WWF, or WWE, or whatever the Rassles are called nowadays. So much more soothing, without all the drama and shit. A little heavy on the Spandex and feathers, though…

  • arglebargle

    This is way to sensible a policy for a reputable news organization. No wonder you have to grift to acquire a remote location vehicle. I sense an extra donation headed your way once my credit card balance is below the allowable threshold. I seem to be coming here first for my news anyway these days. Thanks for the sanity.

  • diogenez

    Thank you Wonkette, for your sanity and for the refuge you provide.

  • nightmoth

    I’m sad for all 3 of them and for the people who cared about them. Need more gun control, need better mental health intervention—we all know this, will anything make both happen?

  • drbloor

    Alas, I am currently vacationing in Toronto. As it turns out, there are actually real places where hunters and sport shooters can do their thing to their heart’s content, even while homicide rates are spectacularly low due to common sense regulations that do not involve blackity-black-black-black preznits breaking down doors in the night and seizing your gunz.

    • HeywoodJablomey

      Been hearing for 6 years that Bamz was going to grab all the guns. Still waiting. He needs to get on that : (

      • ButchWagstaff

        President Clinton took away everyone’s guns back in the 1990s so Bamz never had to.

      • Laffing Crow

        He’s doing a really crappy job on that whole Jade Helm thing too.

        • HeywoodJablomey

          Obozo’s takeover of the Grate State of Tex-ass has been hindered thanks to our Guvnah’s smrt call for reinforcement by the TXARNG and State Guard. But by God, I’m READY TO FIGHT FER MY FREEDUMBS,!!!!1!eleventy!!!,!1!!!

          • Laffing Crow

            And an upvote for your obviously long suffering cat too!

          • HeywoodJablomey

            He doesn’t GAF ’bout no martial law or FEMA camps. He will be assimilated by NO ONE. Anyway, all he really cares about is the shifting sunny spot on the floor, and why it’s been so LONG since he heard the sound of THE GODDAMNED CAN OPENER!!!1!,!!

          • H0mer0

            He has that Sgt Schultz thing going on (the hoomun, not the kitteh who has the bored alien overlord thing going on–the foil probably is making an unpleasant noise in his kitteh earz)

  • he_who_scoffs_at_danger

    Wow. Not even a shot at pinning the murders on FOX News or Jeb Bush or somebody?

  • Tansy Geek

    Well said Kailli. You are a breathe of dignity and force for good.

  • Rutabaga64

    Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

  • Daniel Davison

    Amen.

  • cessnadriver

    If only they had been armed….

  • savoy6

    You had me right up to “long past time, to talk about gun reform..” when have you NOT talked about “gun reform?” When are you going to trot out the usual tropes? Are you talking about “common sense reforms?” because that bullshit term.. this was the act of a violent criminal and murder is already a crime. Any “reform” would keeps guns out of criminals hands, not law abiding citizens. However, every proposal I ever see seems to only impact law abiding citizens. Nothing common sense about limiting the rights of people who’ve done nothing wrong.

    • Greg Comlish

      You had me right up to the “Herp, Derp Derp”

    • differentdrummer

      Oh look, the trolls are breeding.

    • Scott Plumer

      Flanagan was law-abiding, too.

    • Lord-Nash

      Then please sir, if you are interested in gun reforms that will keep guns out of the hands of criminals, and not affect law abiding citizens, please, let me know. I’m serious and I’m absolutely happy to discuss this. *sits down, waits patiently*

    • Laffing Crow

      “Nothing common sense about limiting the rights of people who’ve done nothing wrong.”

      There’s also no common sense involved in elevating a perceived “right” above the lives of your fellow Americans. With priorities so skewed, it’s become impossible for Second Amendment advocates to continue to claim they’ve “done nothing wrong”. You can’t keep advocating for the status quo of “nothing can be done because of my 2A rights” (aka: a usual trope) and then also try to claim complete innocence in any of the resulting deaths.

      • savoy6

        I don’t understand how law abiding citizens, exercising their Constitutional rights has anything to do with you.. they have harmed no one, their tools are safe and I would argue none would advocate for the status quo.

        I think existing laws need to be enforced first. Are you suggesting that in the absence of your elected politicians doing anything substantiate on crime and criminals, the next best thing is to go after innocent American because you “don’t know what else to do?”

        Enforce existing laws first before you come after the millions of responsible gun owners who have done nothing to harm anyone.

  • Stinky_Hole

    Since it’s irresponsible not to speculate…
    Gaslight.
    The teevee station hired him, so we assume he was somebody they wanted.
    Then, after the white people at Smith Mountain Lake start complaining to the station that they would prefer somebody else (not blah) reading their news at dinner time, he gets marginalized.
    He can see it (everbuddy can see it), but HR says that what is happening is not happening (and if you’re somebody else who saw it happening and wanted to continue to work there, you can’t tell anybody you saw it, too).
    And here, friends, is your ‘disgruntled former employee’.
    It drove him crazy.

  • Enfant Terrible

    When tragedies like this morning happen, I seek out music that resonates with how I’m feeling. This resonates with me. Hope it does something for you all.

    https://youtu.be/hyeC9xC08dg

    • Enfant Terrible

      Here are the lyrics:

      Alleluia. May flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
      Alleluia. Remember me O Lord, when you come into your kingdom.
      Alleluia. Give rest O Lord to your hand-maid, who has fallen asleep.
      Alleluia. The Choir of Saints have found the well-spring of life, and door of paradise.
      Alleluia. Life: a shadow and a dream.
      Alleluia. Weeping at the grave creates the song: Alleluia.
      Alleluia. Come, enjoy rewards and crowns I have prepared for you. Alleluia.

  • HeywoodJablomey

    Here, Wonkette- have some babby clouded leopard cubs. They were born in May at the Point Defiance Zoo in Tacoma : )

  • Incoming Ham

    After today I figured it couldn’t hurt to bring along a Potoo.

  • Donna Rail

    Gonna be a big week for deleted comments!

  • berkeleyfarm

    Thank you.

  • ButchWagstaff

    “Especially in a place like Virginia, where it is practically mandatory for all men, women, children, and puppies to be armed at all times.”
    There’s some smart people in our institutions of high learning. But we make up for that in the stupidity of our General Assembly.

  • MrCanoehead

    Explain to me again how a guy who killed himself would be deterred by the death penalty.

  • The lack of maturity in articles like this is part of the problem. Moreover, the killer did not need a gun to commit this crime.

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