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Doesn’t everybody know about the death panels?

A town hall for Republican congresscritter Gus Bilirakis in New Port Richey, Florida, didn’t go so great on Saturday! The crowd who’d come to tell Bilirakis to please not dismantle the Affordable Care Act didn’t even listen to some simple common sense about the ACA from Bill Akins, the secretary of the Pasco county Republican executive committee. All Akins did was explain to the crowd that there’s this requirement that everyone go before a Death Panel when they turn 74, and that is a real thing about Obamacare, and why were they all jeering at him for telling them the simple facts?

Here’s the problems I have with The Affordable Health Care Act. Number one, there is a provision in there that anyone over the age of 74 has to go before what is effectively a death panel. [crowd erupts in boos, jeers] Yes, they do. Yes, they do. It’s in there, folks.

As the crowd continued to mock his perfectly accurate alternative fact, Akins shouted back, “You’re wrong!” and “OK, children, all right, children…” after which he presumably threatened to turn the community center right around and go home.

Do we actually need to point out that there never were “Death Panels” in the ACA, and that the whole thing was a ridiculous lie — Politifact’s “Lie of the Year” for 2009 — popularized by Knower of Things Sarah Palin? In mere reality, the ACA bill included a provision to provide “end of life planning” for people who wanted to discuss with their doctor living wills and whether they wanted hospice care in case of a terminal illness, which of course, according to wingnut crazy person Betsy McCaughey, meant Obama really wanted everyone to be euthanized when they went on Medicare. And somehow, despite years of debunking, there are at least some Republicans who still either believe in death panels, or think they can scare people with the notion. But don’t make fun of them for believing in the death panel boogeyman! That sort of condescension is why people voted for Trump! Oh, dear, we’ve done it again, like a bunch of elitist fact-believers, and now he’ll be reelected in 2020, sorry.

Clearly hypnotized by Obama’s Illuminati mind-control techniques to believe that “end of life planning” is actually somehow a good thing, a woman in the crowd called Akins A Idiot, only a little nicer than that:

“I am 77 years old and I think it’s unconscionable for this politician to tell me that at 74, I will be facing death panels,” she said. “Wrong, wrong, wrong.”

Akins couldn’t believe how willing this poor deluded lady was, just willing to go into Obama’s gas chambers like that, and yelled back, “I’m on your side!” But did she apologize to the nice man who simply wanted to keep Barack Obama from euthanizing her? She did not.

CNN reports Rep. Bilirakis tried to explain that Akins was actually right, since there is an “Independent Payment Advisory Board” panel that recommends ways to reduce Medicare costs, and obviously, that’s a death panel — Bilirakis is very proud that he’s voted to eliminate it, even. The Payment Advisory Board does not, of course, actually tell old people they have to die, but it really is a panel, so it has to be a death panel:

“The board exists, OK? And I’ve voted to repeal the board,” Bilirakis told CNN afterward when asked about the “death panels” talk.

As the event ended, Akins even got into a shouting match with an audience member, citing Bilirakis to prove there really are death panels:

“You called me a liar. The congressman said the death panel does exist,” Akins said as sheriff’s deputies stepped in to separate the men.

Still, the town hall did at least give constituents a chance to tell Bilirakis how the ACA has actually helped them, and hasn’t killed them at all; Brian Staver explained that his daughter, now 14, was born with a rare genetic disorder that had cost their family thousands of dollars to treat before the ACA went into effect, but thanks to Obamacare, he said, “She is now able to get the medication she needs to save her life.” Apparently, neither Akins nor Bilirakis tried to insist the young woman was actually condemned to death by the death panels, which seems like a missed opportunity.

Bilirakis said he still intends to vote to repeal the ACA and replace it with something that will keep all the parts people like while getting rid of taxes and subsidies and the individual mandate, because he appears to have no actual clue about how insurance works:

“It just confirms that a lot of these provisions, such as the pre-existing conditions, keeping the (people under) 26 years old on their parents’ plans, the (ban on) lifetime caps — these are bipartisan issues and they need to be included in the replacement.”

To his credit, however, he did at least tell CNN that he believed “the majority of the people in the room were my constituents,” which makes Gus Bilirakis less delusional than Jason Chaffetz, who insisted the Obamacare supporters at his town hall in Utah were all paid to be there. Sadly, “saner than Jason Chaffetz” is not much of a prize.

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  • The Wanderer

    Bilirakis is a fairly typical GOPer for this neck of the woods. Corrupt, smarmy and condescending. Akins is a bog-standard apparatchik.

  • pgjack

    They’ve been telling the ‘death panel’ lie long and loud. Is there anyone who really believes it? Should those who do believe it get mental health treatments under the ACA?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Our Sarah should have been confined to a padded cell long ago.

    • Dylan Robnett

      Death panels is just a crude way of saying ‘rationing care’ which is something that has been going on for ages in the UK and will be coming here soon if we don’t put a stop to government-managed care. Someone has to decide how to allocate resources and those who are wait-listed or denied altogether are essentially receiving a death sentence. You can choose not to believe it until it affects someone you know.

  • Juan de Fuca

    I have to get one of those t-shirts.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Nice t-shirt, indeed!

  • Bill D. Burger
  • SnarkON

    After visiting my ancient MIL in a Central Florida old folks’ home recently, and seeing how miserable and broken these people are — barely able to move, in and out of the emergency room every other week, gagging on their food, soiling themselves, lying around all day watching Fox News — I think Death Panels might not be such a bad idea.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I’ve always hoped I’ll go before I’m reduced to that. One of the worst things about Republicans is that they’re opposed to letting anyone die with any shred of dignity. My father was kept alive for 6 weeks, long after he was brain dead, at god knows what cost, and meanwhile we “can’t afford health care” for people who actually could benefit from it.

      • SnarkON

        It’s insane that my MIL (whom I love dearly btw) is costing the system so much. I’ll bet Medicare and her private insurer have shelled out half a million dollars over the past five years just keeping her alive. I don’t want to presume she would rather be dead, but if it were me, I’d want the system to just let me go and give my share of the healthcare pie to some little kid or struggling mom.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          Same here. I’ve always thought you should have the option of ending your own life. I can’t imagine being in a nursing home. I’ve always been an outdoor person, and I would just wither in a nursing home.

  • laughingnome

    Looking forward to yelling at Rep. John Faso if he ever shows his face.

    • marxalot

      There’s an initiative going around to get people to do invitational town halls. Get enough people, reserve a room somewhere, put together an agenda, and invite your rep. Talk to the local paper, news, get word out that you’re doing this. They’ll either show up and have to face a prepped room, or welch on it and then you can tell the news and the papers how they were too chicken to face their constituents.

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    Before the ACA, the death panels were called “insurance companies”.

    • Snopes Shop

      “Emergency Rooms”

  • JMP

    Look, it doesn’t matter if the ACA instituted death panels or not, we want it to be true, therefore it must be! Remember, we’re living in the world of alternative facts now, so like in the city of Sigil if enough people believe in something, that makes it reality.

  • Sardonicuss

    I think at this point, the Republicans are counting on a sort of demographic tipping point happening before the midterms.
    That tipping point being most of their constituents dieing off from lack of health care before they get a chance to vote their craven asses out – if they kill the ACA soon enough.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Well….Thank jaysus’ we have that newer, cheaper and better alternative Trump promised to roll out on Day #1……..don’t we? Wait?
    He said he’d see to it we were covered. Right?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c28986e7597eabaec83fb89b92b2e22daffaff98abd4a156722a52117c8fefdc.jpg

    • Apple Scruff

      I love the white raccoon eyes.

      • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

        TRUE FACT: Since November, Mascara sales are way up among raccoons

  • Apple Scruff

    How old is Rep. Bilirakis? Has he come before the Death Panel yet?

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      The Death Panels are located right next to the Muslim “no go” zones, which are just around the corner from the Baby Parts repository.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Ride the Carrousel!

      • Lance Thrustwell

        I appreciate all references to Logan’s Run.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Renew!

  • Villago Delenda Est

    As opposed to the Health Insurance industry’s denial of care that might keep you alive because it cuts into the CEO’s hookers and blow slush fund. Those are your actual “Death Panels”.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    “…according to wingnut crazy person Betsy McCaughey, meant Obama really wanted everyone to be euthanized when they went on Medicare.”

    So Obama was simultaneously trying to cram socialized health care down my throat, to make insurance more affordable AND plotting to kill me? Sounds about right, from a guy who was a weak, feckless, mom jeans wearing, leader, who was also a czar and dictator who was hell bent on destroying America from within,,,when he wasn’t out playing golf on the taxpayer’s dime.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Unlike the current occupant of the Oval Office, who would never DREAM of playing golf on the taxpayer’s dime.

      • JMP

        But just like W., he’s white and so should be allowed to play golf, unlike Obama who proved himself to be uppity by insisting on playing a white man’s game.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Remember how Obama was ALWAYS on vacation? Trump’s only taken two vacations in his first three weeks. He’s a real workhorse, that one is.

        I love knowing that such a lazy bastard never planned on winning the race, and now he’s stuck pretending to work for the next four years. Plus he’s probably going to be the most hated man in America when he leaves office.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          His cabinet appointments and staffing picks are all competing with him in that regard.

        • FlownOver

          And I’m taking the under on how long he’s got.

  • Anna Rompage

    Unfortunately all of my congress critters are pretty good people who are mostly representing that values that I hold dear…

    Maybe I could get the Soros foundation to cut me a big fat check to go and troll one of Greg Walden’s town hall meetings, as his views on the world are mildly deplorable…

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Like Greg Walden has the balls to have a town hall meeting anywhere but Fossil.

      • Anna Rompage

        I’d drive out to Fossil to yell at Greg Walden!

    • Mr. Blobfish

      I want to go yell at politicians but I’ve always lived in reliably blue districts.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        My yelling at politicians is confined to telling them that they go!

  • Mr. Blobfish

    It’s not really a death panel. It’s more like a panel of death.

  • Chadwells

    I hope that it is an actual death panel so I can escape this Dampnut shit show…FFS.

  • Oblios_Cap

    The real “Death Panels” are the claims committees of the health insurers.

    • theCryptofishist

      This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  • OrdinaryJoe

    As I sit here in Blue California waiting to read that FEMA has approved emergency funding for our neighbors in the Sacramento area who face a massive flood disaster, a request that was submitted by our Governor LAST FRIDAY, I want to grab every *trump voter who now faces losing their health care coverage and shake them until their brains rattle back into place.

    • Anna Rompage

      I’m wonder what the repercussions will be if Trump denies CA disaster relief, seeing that the area effected is likely made up of a lot of conservative Trump voters…

      • OrdinaryJoe

        It’s part of the red stain along out eastern border with Amerikkka.

      • DrBigHead

        There will be no repercussions since it is obviously the fault of the California liberals and their damn sanctuary cities.

      • Yr. Gma

        If it turns the morons, then good. They can blame Obama for the dam, but denying federal aid for petty reasons might cause them to “think.”

      • OrdinaryJoe

        If he denies the funding it will be the end of what little remains of the Rethuglican party in California.

    • Juan de Fuca

      I left a comment over at Breitbart where they are mocking Jerry Brown for requesting federal aid. Five bucks says the comment doesn’t get approved because I used the word “fuck.”

      • foreign agitator Captain Kraut

        Your way is easier on the knuckles.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      You’re going to have to do a hell of a lot of shaking.

    • OneYieldRegular

      What, and cause the insurance rates for the rest of us to skyrocket because of an epidemic of Shaken Idiot Syndrome?

    • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

      “until their brains rattle back into place”- assumes facts not in evidence

  • memzilla Ω

    How could a business sector that has to pay for advertising, marketing, multimillion dollar C-suite salaries, and thousands of people who earn bonuses by telling people “no” have anything but my best interests at heart?

  • Wild Cat

    In the old days, if you had a Hearse, you were a real cool Deadhead.

    These days, if you have a Hearse for self-expression, you’re a necro neo-nazi.

    Things change.

    • JMP

      But there was never such a thing as a cool Deadhead, they were always the lamest of the lame.

      • Wild Cat

        Your parents never taught you how to smoke weed properly.

    • Mr. Blobfish
      • Wild Cat

        Which version?
        The original did come close to being a documentary on the 1977 Yankees.

        • Mr. Blobfish

          I love the original.

          • Wild Cat

            I lived in the original! Walter Hill should have consulted with me!

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    The ACA saves lives of people who are already born. That’s the problem right there. Republicans HATE HATE HATE the already born.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    I’ll tell you what crazy conspiracy theory I am starting to believe. It’s that someone has snuck in and poisoned large parts of the US water supply with a substance that significantly impairs critical thinking.

    • NastyBossetti

      This theory is the only thing that would make me understand how we ended up here.

    • TJ Barke

      Fox News?

    • Naytch

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

      Nobody messes with our precious bodily fluids!!

  • Beanz&Berryz

    OK, Akins, if not a liar, just a fucking MORAN!

    • OrG

      Obligatory: Why not both?

  • Shibusa

    Here’s the problem I have with GOP “plan” to replace Affordable Health Care Act with Thoughts and Prayers. If you get seriously ill, tax credits ain’t going to save you, and you are facing what is effectively a death panel.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Warned_and_Persistent

    Retiring to Pasco county is a tacit acceptance of death panels after 1 yr of dining at the early bird specials at the local buffet eatery.

  • Picabo
    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Ironically, because they were laughing at him because he was lying.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      IOKIYAR, of course

    • Yellow_Dog_Dem

      He didn’t, Atkins did, but Bilirakis is a tool. I went to high school with him and he’s an ass.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    I replaced my drab wood paneling with exciting new death panels, and I couldn’t be happier. Thanks, Obama!

  • Résistance Land Shark

    Getting a busy signal when you call Congress? Here’s how to get through.
    Amid a surge in Americans calling their senators and representatives – and often getting busy signals or full voicemail boxes – a new report sheds light on how best to target your advocacy.

    This is the citizen engagement journey on which Jean has started, and it’s going to take a commitment, she realizes. Her “old way” of doing things – signing a petition every few months – just isn’t going to cut it, she says.

    “This is just going to have to be a daily thing for the next few years, until some kind of compromise or moderation appears,” she says. That engagement can at times “feel weird,” she admits, “but I’m glad I’m doing it.”

    BE LIKE JEAN

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    I wonder if there is an actual line in the sand with these people? As usual, Charles Pierce says it better than I ever could:
    “If we’re going to talk about this, let’s talk about it. Absent overwhelming political pressure that makes him feel as though he has no other choice, something to which the current president* seems uniquely immune, there’s no way to rid ourselves of a crazy president except through the clumsy mechanisms of either impeachment or the 25th Amendment. Given the nature of Congress right now, in which a supine Republican majority is giving the White House everything it wants, it’s hard to imagine a kind of mass mutiny that puts Mike Pence into the Oval Office, which is, of itself, a slightly smaller bag of horrors.”

    What do these idiots actually have to do before an angry nation rises up screaming “ENOUGH.” I’m not just talking about Democrats, I’m talking about the whole country. I really wish Tom Arnold would release that tape he claims he has with Trump being a total racist.

    • Wild Cat

      Wouldn’t that alleged Tom Arnold tape put 100,000,000 US racists and their overseas allies in a state of heat?

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        It would also nauseate all thinking people.

        • Lord Jim

          All thirty of them?

    • Sardonicuss

      Although I don’t think the combined intellect of his entire cabal could change a light bulb ..and thus this is not a concerted strategy; It is hard to see how we can maintain this level of anger over his insanity.
      Every fucking day. He is being normalized drip by horrific drip. To the point where his most recent outrageous buffoonery will only be compared to – his buffoonery from last week.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Nope, because we’re not going to let that happen!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Donald’s most avid supporters would only become more so if the tape were to be released. True, most of the country would be appalled…but not the hardcore Donaldites.

  • OneYieldRegular

    I’m thinking of having the guest room walls redone in death panels. My goth niece will totally love it next time she comes to visit.

    • Juan de Fuca

      “Uncle OYR, I like how you went with actual mold instead of the cookie-cutter baseboard moulding.”

  • TJ Barke

    Lies, they’re the new facts.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      alt-everything

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Trump has a very pragmatic approach to the truth.

      • DahBoner

        Whatever sounds good?

        • wide_stance_hubby

          Yeps.

  • Warned_and_Persistent

    Just guessing Mr Akins is over 74. He should share his one secret trick to avoid any ACA euthanization

    • Count Awesome

      He must be providing alternative facts about his age.

      • Warned_and_Persistent

        The Donald is an inspiration:
        “On the Dr Oz Show, Trump said that when he looks in the mirror he does not see a 70-year-old man.
        “I would say I see a person that’s 35 years old,” he said.

        • Count Awesome

          We all see his childlike intellect so double score for him.

    • theCryptofishist

      Congressional healthcare

  • Count Awesome

    Repealinh Obamacare is becoming a Political Death Panel to the politicians who want to scrap it.

  • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

    Say, you know who else was saner than Jason Chaffetz?

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Seeing as most GOP plans do end up killing off the unfortunate, even their “death panel” argle-bargle is pure projection.

  • boyblue122

    OT- A guest at the Mar-a-Largo just ID’ed the person who carries around what is used by 45 to authorize a nuclear attack…no biggie

    but her emails

    https://twitter.com/samueloakford/status/831175171595784192

    • Bigby

      Soooo, Season 1, Episode 1 of NCIS here we come! But her emails…

    • Fartknocker
    • Alan

      What a clusterfuck.

    • Anna Rompage

      What’s the big deal, I mean if they’re a member of the club, they’re likely way more qualified to be on the National Security council than either Bannon or Flynn…

      • C4TWOMAN

        Besides, Putin already knows what his “American Happy Meal” is up to…

    • C4TWOMAN

      Welp, so much for what’s left of national security.

    • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

      So, the only POC in the Drumpfterage is tasked with carrying Dingleberry’s case around? Color me shocked

      • Alan

        I’m surprised. He might decide to run off with it.

        • C4TWOMAN

          Those black youths are “fleet of foot” as Ron Paul wrote.

        • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

          Dude, thanks for the laughter induced nasal passage cleansing.

          • Alan

            Aim to please.

      • haroldpp

        It pains me deeply to be fair to Pres Bannon’s side kick, but my understanding is that carrying the “football” is a pretty high privilege and honor. Although DT maybe doesn’t know this and thinks he is a valet.

        • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

          I agree that it is a great privilege, and DT is typically unaware of that fact.

      • Little Lulu ResistanceFighter

        I thought Trump was a POC!

    • clubseal

      You’ve got to be kidding.

    • Friggin libtards, what could possibly be the problem with identifying AND posting picks AND the name of the person carrying the nuke box?

      • Msgr_MΩment

        I can imagine him getting very lucky at the Mar a Lago bar now.

        • DahBoner

          He’s got a gimmick, alright.

          • Msgr_MΩment

            He turns all the Slavic supermodels wild.

      • cmd resistor

        Perhaps it is a clever decoy. The real football guy is white?

        • Dutchman

          Now let’s not delve into the preposterous! We all know that the very best football carriers are the blahs!

    • OddMan

      5 Bucks says that that ‘football’ is fake and they never gave the real codes to Lord Dampnut. Our President is incompetent and a madman.
      Who is really in charge?

    • FlownOver

      Would that be “Dolt 45”?

      (FO claiming a copyright/trademark on that, by the way)

      • JustDon’tSayPeriod.Period!

        Whatever. Still stealing it.

  • Fartknocker

    Sorry Grampa and Grandma from Pasco County, Florida but you chose Donald Dampnut as POTUS and worse, you re-elected Little Marco Rubio. I suggest some canned prunes as they’ll keep your colon clean shit-fer-brains.

    http://www.pascovotes.com/portals/pasco/Results/gen16all.htm

  • Beanz&Berryz

    This thread got me to thinking… were death panels one of the first really big alt-facts of recent times? There have been various things spun forever, but the death panel alt-fact might have been the start of this whole alt-fact thing, maybe?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      The WMDs in Iraq were alt-facts.

      • Juan de Fuca

        Al-Qaeda in Iraq began as an alt-fact that turned out be true.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          Only because Al-Q had the greatest recruiters on the planet: the deserting coward and the Dark Lord.

          • Juan de Fuca

            *Insert Obama pointing towards GOP meme* “You Built That!”

      • Beanz&Berryz

        so… before W and Palin, can anyone remember significant alt-facting in national US politics?

        • Swampgas_Man

          Gulf of Tonkin Incident.

          • FlownOver

            See also “Peace with Honor,” Vietnamization and “We had to destroy the village in order to save it.”

        • The Wanderer

          Reagan’s “welfare queens.”

          • Villago Delenda Est

            and “young bucks”.

          • Phoenixdoglover

            And pine trees pollute more than power plants.

          • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

            Viet Nam protesters as “traitors” (see: Kent State)

        • FlownOver

          “I’m not a crook.”

        • FlownOver

          “I, Richard Nixon, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

          Twice.

      • Lord Jim

        Weapons of Mass Distraction.

    • Anna Rompage

      Thanks Palin….

    • Picabo

      Alt-fact goes way back is a Hydra that never dies. See “The War on the White Slave Trade” and the Mann Act. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act

    • Alan

      I thought it was the start of contagious stupidity.

    • PubOption

      The cause of the USS Maine explosion?

    • clubseal

      Pretty much every U.S. act in a foreign land, as told by the government, seems to have been an alternative fact.

    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      “Pal’ing around with terrorists”

    • Sandy Beaches

      I’m going to go with Franklin Pierce stating that William Walker was the legitimate president of Nicaragua.

      • Sandy Beaches

        Ya’ll know I was just showing off with this, right? I mean, everything I’ve ever learned about South and Central American politics is from The Clash. I’m not really S-M-R-T

    • Shoto

      Imma have to take it all the way back to “trickle-down economics.” There’s some Class-A fiction, right there.

    • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

      Trickle down economics.

  • wide_stance_hubby

    But, Great Again Thoughts ‘N Prayers Care comes with a ‘My Death Panel’ feature which I can take with me in my Health Care Backpack!

    (seriously, I have not heard the ‘backpack’ out of Ryan in some time. Maybe focus groups let him know it had too much ‘on my back’ baggage to fly)

  • C4TWOMAN

    Don’t worry, everyone, They’ll investigate the Death Panels right after they’re done investigating the Bowling Green Massacre.

    • Vecchioivan

      Remember Atlanta!

      • DahBoner

        Who?

  • Idiokraticdrumpfenjugend
    • C4TWOMAN

      Oh Deal Panels must be for peeps who got the Zombie virus. Makes sense now.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    I’d certainly like to see premiums go down. My current payment is $720 a month, and that’s AFTER a $230 subsidy from my retirement association and $91 from my former employer. Please, single payer, and get the profit motive out of it.

    • Vecchioivan

      Go back to Canada!

      * and take me with you*

    • TJ Barke

      Why do you hate freedumb?

    • You’d think that including the private sector for profit insurance industry as part of health care would have worked out.

      Weird.

    • clubseal

      I don’t even use my compulsory insurance because I have to pay so much out of pocket, leaving me with a chronic shoulder injury. It’s like I’m still on the pre-ACA plan of “hope this goes away.”

      Single payer will hopefully be a reality at some point.

      • Alan

        If it’s chronic there are a lot of exercises you can do on your own for relief. I tore a rotator and now it’s hardly a thing.

        • clubseal

          Not the best advertisement for the ACA. “Not only do you have to pay for coverage that hardly covers anything, but you can treat yourself without the assistance of a medical professional.”
          I jest a bit, but I do wonder how many people like me are out there – forced to pay what I can for insurance, which in no way equates to actual healthcare.

          • Skeptical_thinker

            I don’t see it that way. You don’t have to pay all of your deductible to get benefits from health insurance.

            If you have insurance through a competent private insurer, you will never have to pay rack rate for any treatment. The insurer will have negotiated level of payment for services that are lower, sometimes much lower, that the provider would charge you directly.

            After my insurer has reduced the amount owed, I call the provider and ask if they have a prompt payment discount. The last time I did that there was a 20% discount for paying within 30 days. That saved me over $100 for that one test.

          • Tiny kaiju

            Good to know. Thanks.

      • OrG

        It Is.Just not here.

      • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

        What state do you live in? DId they expand medicaid? If they didn’t, the fault is not with the ACA. Also, as someone with a chronic shoulder injury, I highly recommend rehab exercises, like Alan. See if you can get a session or two of physical therapy to show you the exercises, or, look up rehabilitation exercises online. The exercises really help. There are also entire books devoted to rehabbing shoulders. It’s a fairly common thing.

    • Ricky Gay

      I live in Washington state, which rather progressively supported the ACA. My mandated coverage, with subsidies, is $198/month. -I mean, as long as we are sharing anecdotally.

      • Alan

        Mine would be 15% of gross family income so I decided to keep paying my daughters tuition and go without health insurance. I figure she’s got more time to make a difference. Nice thing is there is no IRS penalty because it’s “unaffordable”.

    • I think we really have an opportunity for single payer in all this mess. Repeal Obamacare? fine! Single Payer answers all the problems!

      • OrG

        You are SO optimistic.

        • Alan

          Keeps us sane.

        • DahBoner

          She’s bodysurfing the Oroville!

          • theCryptofishist

            Butte County, Represent!

      • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

        I don’t see us ever having a government run healthcare system- Americans just wouldn’t accept it. We might, if we’re really lucky, get something like Germany. The government acts like a giant employer- you get your choice of insurance companies, the government deducts the money out of your paycheck so you’re not writing a check every month, and if you want fancy food or a private room you buy a supplemental policy.

        • JustDon’tSayPeriod.Period!

          And as an accidental user of German healthcare, who paid for it out of pocket (partially reimbursed when I got back to the States), I can say they do a damned fine job. Relocated my shoulder, gave me drugs and a weird sling, plus the X-ray (Roentgen-aufname). About $200 bucks total.

        • kbbaldwin2

          I dunno – they seem OK with single payer when you call it Medicare.

      • Juan de Fuca

        I’ve got TRICARE For Life because after leaving the Army with a young family and realizing how expensive it is for basic coverage in the real world, continued my mil career with the Airforce. I don’t have a lot of experience paying for healthcare but enough to realize it’s fucked up and part of the reason why I went back into the military. So, maybe I do understand it in a way.

        It’s fucked up. People shouldn’t have to serve in the military for 20 years to have decent healthcare coverage in such an exceptional nation.

      • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

        No, no, Jen B, they want to not have to pay at all for blahs, messicans, and frankly, stinky girls.

        • theCryptofishist

          married women can get insurance through their husbands, as god intended, and no woman should be unmarried after age 26 when they are kicked off their parents. Isn’t this obvious?

    • Alan
      • Skeptical_thinker

        Puh-leeze! What is it with you and facts?

      • JustDon’tSayPeriod.Period!

        Huh. I definitely don’t feel $5K better than I did during 2 weeks in New Zealand. Wait, is it pro-rated?

        • Alan

          Pffft. Not very appreciative, are you?

          • JustDon’tSayPeriod.Period!

            No. No I’m not.

      • Regret

        That is horrible if true.
        It fits my preconceptions so I want to believe it, but just to be thorough:
        Source?

        • Alan

          OECD stats, 2014.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Out-fucking-rageous.

    • Little Lulu ResistanceFighter

      I was paying Aetna over $720/month as soon as I turned 60 (8 years ago). My premium rose every month until it doubled what it had been a year earlier. I had no preconditions and took no meds. Fuckers. Thank Dog for Medicare!

    • kbbaldwin2

      No profit motive? Why do you hate America>

  • Scrofula

    Gah. Sometimes I want to hear reps stand up to their constituents against NIMBYism or explain nuances . . . and then sometimes (OK, most of the time) you get total idiots like this guy.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      NIMBY, or as it is known, by its acronym, NAMBLA.

    • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

      Or NIFYE (Not in my front yard either) or BANANA (build absolutely nothing anytime anywhere). As a former planner I’ve heard them all.

      • Scrofula

        Wow, I like BANANA. Is there a term for the “build the damn strip mall we think will give us jerbs, with tax breaks?”

        • Vagenda of Rebel Scum

          It’s called a City Council Meeting

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    OK, children, all right, children…

    Yeah, that’s the way to win over your constituents!

    • cmd resistor

      I think maybe the most anger-inducing thing this week is these reps avoiding their constituents, acting like they are being unreasonable for wanting to speak to their DAMNED ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, and claiming that the only possible reason they must be there is they are being paid to rabble rouse.

      • Rags

        The 8th Cong. district is holding a Mike Rogers Cardboard Cutout Town Meeting on April 13. Only notice is on the faceplace, so no linky…..

    • M_Baker

      Especially when you’re in the wrong by believing or lying that “death panels” exist.

  • Shoto

    Bill Akins and Jason Chaffetz in a one-on-one octagon cage fight. Discuss.

  • Bigby

    The “interesting” thing about the Death Panels gambit is that if you find a “reasonable” (yeah, I know) Republican and explain the living SHIT out of the Death Panels bullshit (just end of life counseling, no rationing, etc) they get it, but then when you explain that the GOP “plan” actually HAS actual DEATH PANELS (vouchers that don’t cover jack shit, rationing, refusal to treat if “religious” or the person showing up in the emergency room isn’t ‘legal’, indemnity for letting women die of ectopic pregnancies because Jeebus), their counter argument will invariably boil down to “but I don’t give a fuck about those people”.

    IOW, they’re perfectly happy with Death Panels™ as long as people they hate are the only ones affected.

    • PersistenceFighterCaptainHowdy

      Projection again?

      • phoenix00

        More like wilful self-delusion and confirmation bias turned to 11.

    • Regret

      Those also aren’t death panels.
      Pick up a dictionary.
      … And then I looked up the term and it doesn’t even have a definition.
      I apologize for my assumption that this discussion was in any way grounded in reality, I really should know better.

      Anyway, most of the arguing is about buzzwords instead of content. You can’t win that kind of argument, at most you can earn status within your own group. The sideeffects are horrible though.

  • Stulexington

    Has it finally happened? Have the Republicans finally told a lie so obvious even their voters don’t believe it?

    • Khavrinen

      Don’t go expecting it to be the start of a trend, though.

      • Stulexington

        One can dream.

    • Rick Hill

      Well, be fair, the protestors have been largely Democrats or at least schooled by liberals.

    • harryeagar

      No. I visit a blog inhabited by highly-educated rightwingers who hold responsible jobs like flying airplanes, and the believe in death panels.

      • Stulexington

        I upvote, but it actually makes me feel down.

      • PersistenceFighterCaptainHowdy

        There is an underlying problem with how “education” is being defined (for example, flying an airplane is a vocational skill, it is not like being a philologist or something). Hence, there are supposedly “educated” people who voted for Schicklgruber, when we all know that this is not so.

        • Alexander Stallwitz

          Look at Dr Ben Carson for instance

          • Rose McFrog

            Idiot savant.

  • rick

    The whole “death panel” thingy was started by dumbshit word salad smith, Sarah Palin.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/10/sarah-palin/sarah-palin-barack-obama-death-panel/

    • shaar dula

      and ZERO consequences. she did not pay a fine. she did not answer to any hearing. nothing. merrily she gallops from one grifting scam to another.

      • kareemachan

        Yup, she’s a cnut.

  • Rick Hill

    And still not one mention of fixing the main problems the aCA has, the raeping of it by insurance companies, drug companies and people buying drug patents to make a fortune off them

  • Khavrinen

    “But did she apologize to the nice man who simply wanted to keep Barack Obama from euthanizing her?”

    Has anyone pointed out to him how good ol’ Barry Bamz is too busy wind-surfing and golfing to DeathPanel anyone these days, what with not being the President anymore.

    [ Not that we all wouldn’t welcome him back with open arms, but if der Drumpfenfuhrer insists on claiming he’s God-Emperor of Amerika, he’s the one currently to blame for any DeathPanel-ing that goes on. ]

  • DahBoner
  • Crystalclear12

    You know, at least Democrats could say they were trying to help people not corporations.
    Republicans, not so much.

    • Bebecca

      not so much EVER

  • Lefty Wright

    The US Preventive Services Taskforce does numerous studies on effectiveness of treatments and screenings for diseases. Some people call this a death panel, but the purpose is to use health care dollars effectively. Do you want to spend $500 dollars screening women over 50 annually for breast cancer when they have no symptoms or signs and studies show that that annual screening is not really any better than screening every two years. I’m not a woman but mammograms are no fun. Why do it every year when every two years is just as effective. The money spent on overscreening can be used for other, more beneficial medical care.

    Same with prostate cancer in men. PSA tests are not really useful in most cases in detecting prostate cancer, and false negatives cause a lot of mental distress and additional testing to rule out cancer the is not there. Often, the best treatment is to just watch for progression since many men live 10 years of more with little change in prostate cancer spread.

    You should read a full copy of the investigations. Here is a link for the study on prostate cancer and breast cancer. Even when they determine that screening or certain treatments are not beneficial in the larger population, they do not say you cannot have the testing done. PSA screening is apparently close to worthless at any age. Breast cancer screening is a lot more nuanced and has adjusted as more data comes in. For example, changing screening for women 50 to 74 to every other year rather than annually. This is not just flipping a coin. They actually use science, which Akins doesn’t quite understand. Information is good. More information is better. Both in health care and selecting a president. Too many people ignore the facts on both topics.
    https://www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org/Page/Document/RecommendationStatementFinal/prostate-cancer-screening

    https://www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org/Page/Document/RecommendationStatementFinal/breast-cancer-screening1

  • Mavenmaven

    The sad irony of all this is that there are “death panels”, those are the bureaucrats in every hospital who keep people without insurance from access to hospitals and clinics, and destroying ACA will put many more people on the “thumbs down” side of those offices.

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    There are indeed “death panels” right here in the U.S. – in Texas, to be specific. Texas has a law on the books called the “Advance Directives Act”, aka the “Futile Care Law”, which empowers hospitals to stop life support for incapacitated patients in “hopeless” cases, even over the objections of family members. As Governor of Texas, George W. Bush (that paragon of “pro-life” virtues) signed this legislation into law in 1999. Bush’s successor, Rich Perry, signed an amendment in 2003 that made the law applicable to minors. Something to keep in mind the next time someone parrots “all lives matter”.

    • hendenburg2

      Actually there are REAL “death panels.” They are called “ethics panels” and each hospital has their own. They exist mainly to advise doctors, patients, and their families as to whether end-of-life treatments would be worthwhile or effective.

    • Mike Steele

      ‘Over the objections of family members’? Puh-leez get that information, and the identities of those who support it, more widely disseminated ASAP, as a public service. Thank you!

      • kareemachan

        How about researching things, okay?

        • kareemachan

          Hmm…. no response….

        • Mike Steele

          If Saxo had anything further, certain he/she would have happily provided it. There aren’t enough hours, in my day, at least, to keep up with ever-changing natl/intl developments, much less researching legislation in the 50 states. Guess I’m just lazy that way…

  • CATMAN

    I suppose that it would be pointless to point out to this moron that people over 65 are covered by MEDICARE and not OBAMACARE. Of course, if Pauly Da Speaker has his way, I’m sure some form of rationing will be on the agenda for Medicare “reform”. Remember that “reform” is how a pig becomes sausage.

    • The Flaming Carrot

      He wants to provide a “premium support” for older people so they can get private insurance. Naturally, the insurance companies will be clamoring for the opportunity to insure older people, particularly those with preexisting conditions.

  • RC

    I thought death panels was from before we had the ACA. When an insurance company could condemn you to death by refusing to pay for treatment.

    • Iam Reading

      But that is for profit, so it is ok

      • RC

        ah, that’s the difference.

    • kareemachan

      Too true. Just google American Life and recession and acne.

      Insurance companies are wuckfads.

  • Nodrama4mama

    Maybe Republicans want people to die as soon as they are eligible for Medicare and Social Security so that will reduce the monies the gov’t has to pay out.

    • kbbaldwin2

      They are going to solve the problem by simply eliminating Social Security and Medicare completely. That way we will be sure there are no death panels lurking in the small print. ,

      • Weevie

        If we call it “Throw Out the Baby With the Bathwater” those morons will get so confused about the word “babies”, they’ll spin donuts forever!

      • The Flaming Carrot

        Sad, but true. Medicaid as well. More babies will be born, albeit with limited prenatal care (because pregnancy = preexisting condition) but they will lack access to medical care. Then the Trumpsters will pat themselves on the backs for “saving the children.”

  • dshwa

    As a former full time and now occasional critical care provider, there is nothing in the universe that has ever pissed me off more than the “death panels” lie. The things we do trying to squeeze every last second of life out of people in the last six months they are alive are tantamount to torture (especially the last few days). And from a financial standpoint, >50% of a person’s lifetime medical spending happens in those six months, and their quality of life is shitty. So we spend the majority of our health care dollars extending someone’s life for a few months of suffering and illness and an inevitable death anyways, and these idiots called the idea of asking a person “Is this what you really want?” a death panel. This is why I forged the 2+ Rusty Garden Weasel of Votes in the first place.

    • handyhippie65

      i say we make all of the GOP wear a +2 rusty garden weasel of votes in their underoos everyday they lie for trump. wait, can a garden weasel feel pain? don’t want to cause unnecessary suffering to an innocent weasel.

  • unclejeems

    Bilirakis district is so gerrymandered that he got nearly 70% of the vote last November. His job is such a sinecure I’m surprised he even deigns to hold town hall meetings. The Republicans could run an alligator (with respect to alligators) in that district and el legarto would win by a landslide. And then feel perfectly at home in the Republican caucus.

  • azeyote

    is he 74 yet – if he is there might be some counseling available for his problems –

  • natoslug

    Death panels would make sense. They would need to be applied to politicians who act in the interests of their party over the interests of the people, however.

  • Weevie

    WaPo did a nice summary of Akin’s obvious mental illness two days ago.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/02/11/gop-official-in-viral-town-hall-video-is-known-for-sharing-misleading-stories-bigoted-jokes/

    I really hope the people in that town Hall come to the next one armed with enough dirt to bury Akin.

  • Peripatetic Poltroon

    Real question: Why is it a difficult thing to keep my child on my health care plan after the age of 26? What entity is harmed by this? What are the undesirable consequences?

    • Jerry Noneofyourbizz

      The insurance companies don’t make as much money. Period.

  • Jerry Noneofyourbizz

    Oh, bullshit. Everyone knows you go to Carousel on your 30th birthday.
    THERE IS NO SANCTUARY!

  • Doesn’t make sense. If Obamacare actually killed people, the GOP would be for it.

  • Mike Steele

    Lady MS here: Most folks who have had experience with hospice will attest that end-of-life counseling has changed MANY lives for the better. Have used their services in our own family. The respect, comfort and peace of mind they provide is immeasurable. While working at a hospital in PA, joined a subset of volunteers in NODA (No One Dies Alone) project. If a patient w/o friend/family support – and there are more than you’d imagine – was circling the drain, a team of volunteers would stay with that person to offer the comfort of his/her choosing, be it conversation, prayer, singing the old songs or merely quiet companionship. Hardly a ‘death panel’, it was life-affirming.

  • DahBoner

    Where’s all the Mediocre White Women at?
    http://hugequestions.com/Eric/img2/trump-voter.jpg

  • Dylan Robnett

    In the death panels video, the speakers are all correct. It sounds like they are rebutting each other but the statements are all literally true. First, the statement was that there WILL be death panels and this is, in fact, the only way forward in any country with what amounts to socialized medicine. Government boards of “experts” will have to decide how to ration care for which there is infinite demand and limited resources. It is also true that, at 77, the elderly woman has not seen any death panels. Although, in the video she clearly misunderstood and said “death penalties”. No one has suggested such a thing but assuming her hearing has not failed her and mine has, she likely will not experience either of them in her lifetime. Another woman stood up and said, “there is no such thing as a death panel”. No there isn’t but there will be and it is written into the law should it come down to the rationing of resources. Be warned.

    • kareemachan

      yaadaayaadaayaaa

      For those of you who can’t translate this: You’re full of shit.

      • Dylan Robnett

        Thank you for your insightful contribution.

        • kareemachan

          The truth hurts, don’t it.?

    • Mark Dobrowolski

      There was a death panel in AZ. It was headed by Gov. Jan Brewer. She refused the medicaid expansion.Then used that as an excuse to cut state funding for preapproved procedures, even ongoing ones. This resulted in cancelling of procedures resuting in desths. Note this was not a democratic idea, but a Republican one. There, your desth panels are invented and run by rrpublicans.

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