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Oh hi there, it is time for our Weekly Dance Party where we shuffle our iTunes (made by Apple) on our new computer (not made by Apple) and post the first ten songs that come up, and we STILL haven’t been able to get all our old music off our old, bad hard drive, so we’re still relying on slowly loading CDs onto our new hard drive. BLAH.

Speaking of “made by Apple,” the behemoth corporation announced its new iPhone 7 on Wednesday, and guess what? It doesn’t have a headphone jack. For really! Now, you have to plug your Apple “EarPods” (made by Apple) into the same place you charge your phone, using an adaptor called a “dongle,” which sounds real convenient to us, and also like a dick joke. Or you can buy newfangled-y WIRELESS Apple EarPods, which hold their charge for at least eleven minutes we are sure. This all just sounds real great, and makes us want to state our personal belief that the Apple corporation has been on a one-way express train to lame-ville ever since Steve Jobs died, PBUH.

But what if you want to use better headphones, not made by Apple? PFFFFFFFFT. For more on why this is stupid and decidedly not consumer-friendly, START HERE.

Let’s shuffle our Fucking iTunes now and see what ten songs come up at random. Oh, it is these!

  1. The Spring Standards – “Skyline”
  2. Justin Timberlake – “Take It From Here”
  3. Dar Williams – “We Learned The Sea”
  4. Regina Spektor – “Firewood”
  5. Dar Williams – “And A God Descended”
  6. Tina Turner – “Private Dancer”
  7. Garrison Starr – “Desperate Hand”
  8. “Only In New York” (from Thoroughly Modernly Millie, Original Broadway Cast, sung by Sheryl Lee Ralph)
  9. Van Halen – “Up For Breakfast”
  10. David Benoit – “Major Dreams, Minor Lies”

Here is your music:

 

 

And now we are going to make sure we take REALLY GOOD CARE of our new iPhone 6S, so we don’t have to upgrade to one of those fucking things any time soon.

You may now dance.

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  • SadDemInTex

    Yep I’m not going to upgrade until they realize what a fuckup that idea is!

  • Land Shark

    New required accessories is a jerb creator! Think of all the slave laborers proud ‘murrican workers who will be employed!

    • Nounverb911

      Is ‘murrican slang for Chinese tech worker slaves?

      • Land Shark

        It’s slang for “non-union, at will”

  • the Vagenda Manologues

    That would require me to turn on Bluetooth, yes?

    No.

    • One of their stated reasons for this change is so they can make the battery slightly larger, so it lasts longer. Right before they encourage people to use Bluetooth for hours and hours.

      (They could, of course, make the battery larger by making the phone a bit thicker, too.)

  • Nounverb911

    What’s Apple’s next trick to make money next?

    • JMP

      They’ve decided that the near-slave laborers in their Chinese factories will have to handle a 25-hour workday.

    • Msgr_Pheasant_Plucker’s_Son

      Running for President?

    • Get rid of bulky, antiquated analog “screen” and require proprietary wireless digital eye implants.

  • AngryKatie

    Right this minute I’m both charging my ipod, and listening to my ipod, through the miracle of separate holes for the two connectors. Also too, I don’t have to haul an extra tiny cord around with me so I can use my headphones or plug it into my car.

    What I’m saying is, fuck you apple.

    • sincarne

      Yeah. I’m hoping Belkin or somebody makes a passthrough adapter that allows you to charge and listen at the same time. Not that it matters to me. I bought an SE when it came out, and will likely keep it for four or five years, if history is any guide. By then, hopefully, wireless audio stuff will hopefully be good.

      • AngryKatie

        I’ve worked in mobile telecom for more than a decade and have had to deal with Apple, and their demands. I already had a negative opinion of them, in no small part because of their hubris and heavy handedness. At this point I would turn down a free iphone (true fact: I did turn down a free iphone from my work, and opted to keep using my 2 year old android).

        The last ipod I bought was a significant step backwards from earlier versions. When it dies I’m officially done with Apple.

        • Daisy

          I have so many glitches with iTunes and my iPod. It’s absurd,

        • sincarne

          That’s cool, that’s your choice. You chose the device that’s right for you. I like Apple’s mobile stuff. Kinda getting tired of the desktop hardware, but I really love the OS. Frustrating.

        • Arolpin

          That’s why Jell-o comes in eight delicious flavors. I was looking at a co-workers new S7 Edge today, and it’s STILL filled up with crap carrier bloatware that he can’t remove. For a phone he paid full retail for. That is the main reason that I have been an iPhone user since gen1, no fucking evil carrier bloatware. (Oh, and the fact that your carrier decides when you get software upgrades on the phone for anything other than IOS phones. And the fact that my Android tablet/e-reader is a piece of junk compared to my iPad mini.)

  • coozledad

    Heard this over at XDU. Great pop tune.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkv_loC4TdY

  • Daisy

    I’m adding that to, “Reasons I’m Glad I Own a Galaxy, Not an iPhone.”

    • (((cynmac)))

      I was pissed at Samsung because they pushed the upgrade to Marshmallow (Android 6) even though I did not want it. It bricked my phone and I replaced it with a prepaid LG. I like the phone betterer and I cut my bill in half. Yaaaahhhoooo.

      • Daisy

        I’m mostly just happy I don’t have an iPhone. My friend hates androids, but her iPhone isn’t much older than mine, and it completely crashed. Granted, I generally take better care of my stuff than most teenagers because I can’t get it replaced. I hate Macbooks and Chromebooks equally.

        • (((cynmac)))

          I have good luck with Macbooks. I bought one in 2007 that didn’t die until 2014 and then t was the video card, not affecting my data. I also have a 2004 era Mac tower that still works. The Dell netbook I bought in 2011 died in 2014 and I haven’t missed it.

          • Daisy

            Huh, weird. I love Dells.

          • mtn_philosoph

            Still using my 2010 Gateway laptop. I upgraded it to Windows 10 a few months ago without a hiccup and it still runs smooth as silk.

            I like Marshmallow. It added a lot of features and made several common-sense tweaks to Android 5. Motorola made the OTA upgrade from Lollipop for my Moto G³ way back in December and everything went fine; it took less than 10 mins. I bought the G³ unlocked last year and have been using it with a prepaid service. More than likely I’ll be able to upgrade it to Nougat (Android 7) by the end of the year.

            I like the Motorola lineup because you can purchase all of their phones (except the Droids, which are Verizon-exclusive) unlocked and then use them with your choice of provider.

  • Fartknocker

    Justin Timbelake is lame. Hello Kitty is fun. Courtney Barnett rocks. And Chemtrails are real.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZOGlFdReMM

    • Daisy

      Ah, she was nominated for Best New Artist at the Grammys. She was up against my favorite (who also lost). Meghan Trainor won, which I’m a bit miffed about, more so than if any other person had won that category.

      • janecita

        Hey Daisy! How is college life treating you?

        • Daisy

          It’s really great! My classes are going well, I got a really good score on my first response paper, and was just handed my first assignment in Philosophy. And I finally understand where the word sophistry came from. (I only heard the word in the first place last year)

          • janecita

            Awesome! I’m really happy for you:-) I’m guessing that you learned about Sophists in your Philosophy class? I think that Plato wasn’t one of their fans (I took philosophy 20 years ago, so don’t quote me on it)

          • proudgrampa

            If I recall, Sophists charged fees for their teaching, and Socrates thought that was not fair to people who couldn’t pay.

          • Daisy

            Yep, just learned about them, and Plato definitely wasn’t a fan.

      • Jamoche

        Well, given the other illustrious winners such as Milli Vanilli and those noted headbangers Jethro Tull, the losers club seems like a more respected place to be :)

      • msanthropesmr

        Hello Kitty was nominated for a grammy?

  • anwisok

    AS IF Apple has ever been consumer-friendly!

    • sincarne

      They’re consistently in the top ratings for customer satisfaction.

      • Marla

        No doubt taken from hipster blogs written inside of a Starbucks in between breaks from the novels and/or screenplays that never get published.

      • anwisok

        Yes, they are. But their stuff is virtually never upgradable – want more RAM? Buy a new computer! It’s rarely backwards compatible – want to use your old keyboard and mouse? Nope! We changed the plug type! They actively prevent you from using other hardware with theirs – you want an NEC monitor? Sorry, there are no drivers for it! So yes. If you want an appliance, you will be perfectly satisfied with an apple product. If you want something that allows you versatility, you’re out of luck.

        • Daisy

          They make it to where you have to use a Macbook with everything, including iPods, I’m gone. I fucking hate those things. I’m perfectly happy with my Toshiba, thank you very much.

        • sincarne

          I have to disagree with you. Yeah, the upgradeable hardware thing is nonsense. But not since they moved from ADB to USB have you not been able to use an old keyboard and mouse. And I’ve never seen a Mac not work with a monitor. And it’s not like Windows ships with driver support for everything under the sun, either. I think the responsibility for providing drivers is on the device vendor.

        • Aquaria

          What are you on about?

          How to upgrade your RAM on a Mac:

          https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201191

          Been using Mac since 1999, and the keyboards and mice that come with the current desktop computers work with my older computers. The old keyboards and mice work with the new computers. USB and Bluetooth are the standard I/O for their keyboards and mice, and have been for a very long time now.

          NEC is responsible for providing drivers so that users can connect them to assorted different devices, not Apple.

          You were saying?

        • Arolpin

          If you can get it to work on Unix, you can get it to work on a Mac. You’ll have to compile it if you can’t find a package, but it will work, thanks to the fact that MacOS is basically just a prettied-up BSD.

        • Arolpin

          And granted, adding RAM to a MacBook can be tough, but adding RAM to an iMac is dead simple. I buy my iMac with the minimum RAM to support the processor/display/HD I want, then order the additional RAM from Crucial.com. I turn the computer on to make sure that it works, turn it off, remove a couple screws, insert the new RAM and spend the couple hundred bucks I saved on fun stuff.

  • sincarne

    “But what if you want to use better headphones, not made by Apple? PFFFFFFFFT.”

    Then use ’em. With the included dongle, or over bluetooth. I don’t love the disappearing jack, but c’mon.

  • janecita

    Totally off topic but we have a visiting troll on a story from a year ago, enjoy. http://wonkette.com/584805/phyllis-schlaflys-niece-pines-for-olden-days-when-a-man-could-get-a-little-ass-from-his-wife

    • Callyson

      Downvoted and flagged. Thanks for the heads-up!

    • JMP

      I new a lot of trolls like to go to days or even weeks old posts to avoid moderation, but a year and a half old one, that’s something special.

      • janecita

        He is a sad, pathetic one:-(

        • JMP

          The guy really seems like he must be total loser with no life to speak of at all, who’s convinced himself that he’s really better off being lonely because every woman in the world is just an “evil nagging entitled shrew”. But then I am another “typical white knight pussy beta male who lets broads walk all over them”.

          • janecita

            I told him to get some help for his depression. It sounds like the last time that poor dude got laid, was during the Bill Clinton administration.

      • Amy!

        Probably doing a search through of Shoofly-related posts, given that the old harridan kicked it the other day.

        • JMP

          Yeah, that was my guess, though it’s funny because the article isn’t about Scfhlafly herself but her like-minded niece.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    Great, so now I can just stick the wireless cancer causing things right in my ears and get it over with. Now I’m for sure voting for Jill Stein.

    • Pickle Truther (AntiDerpomeme)

      The ears are the window to the brain. Wireless waves are how they get you. Easier than chemtrails, which are ingested through the mouth and nose and get diluted through the bloodstream.

  • Thiazin Red

    I never use Apple earbuds, they’re massive and too hard. My ears hurt after having them in for a few minutes. If I can’t use other headphones, then no more Apple products.

    • sincarne

      You can, via the included dongle or bluetooth.

    • Daisy

      Thing is, I actually like their’s the best, but they are far too expensive for me to justify buying them.

  • Callyson

    Tell me, NYT linky, what does Glenn Beck have to say about BLM?

    Glenn Beck: Empathy for Black Lives Matter

    My point about empathy is especially pressing today, since these movements and others — the Tea Party, the Bernie Sanders campaign, Occupy Wall Street — share similar grievances: In their own ways, they say: “I am not being heard,” “I don’t feel like I belong anymore,” “I have no control over my future.” I am not placing all of these movements on the same footing in terms of my personal position, nor am I suggesting that, because I find them to be analogous, they are equal. But there are, in my opinion, strong commonalities, both good and bad.

    Um, OK…I think he’s sliding past a few key distinctions here, but I guess the fact that he is even listening is progress of a sort.

    • anwisok

      Gotta start somewhere.

    • AngryKatie

      I think reasonable Glenn Beck might be a sign of the apocalypse no?

    • Recipriversexclusons

      He’s losing “audience”. His “film” company is dead. All he’s doing is looking for his next “mark” to grift. That’s as close to an epiphany that he’ll ever get.
      Not even the standard “I understand now because it happened to me” reasoning can apply to this [insert whatever].

  • Ikimizi

    I upgraded from a land line to a flip phone maybe five years ago. I don’t think I can adequately express how little I care about this.

    • Thiazin Red

      People are mystified by my cell phone which is just a phone.

      • Blank Ron

        I like to call my beat-up LG flip-phone my ‘dumb phone.’ Anything that can stand being driven over by a car is worth keeping around.

  • Sardonicuss

    Well, you could get an S7. I hear they blowed’ up real good!

    • Naw…that’s the Note 7. I have one and have had since the week after launch. Mine’s been fine (only gets warm after 4 hrs of pokemon on a portable charger), but i will be exchanging as soon as my useless carrier lets me to be on the safe side

      • Sardonicuss

        Yeah, I know. But what are the chances an Apple guy would?

  • Jamoche

    Apparently I live in some weird place where nobody uses headphones with their smartphones, i or not.

    • Sardonicuss

      Bluetooth for many years.

  • JMP

    “makes us want to state our personal belief that the Apple corporation has been on a one-way express train to lame-ville ever since Steve Jobs died”

    Now be fair; Apple has been both extremely lame and one of the most evil corporations in the world since long before their supervillain founder killed himself by trying to cure his cancer with diet, meditation and having someone stick needles in his skin instead of medicine.

    • Sardonicuss

      Jobs only coded ..once.

      • (((cynmac)))

        And even then, he stole the idea from Woz.

    • anwisok

      Trying to have your back, not be pedantic. Don’t want to give the troll in the ancient thread the satisfaction of knowing you were corrected, OR give him the chance to call you out for the minor error. It should be “compliments” not “complements.” Homophones are a bitch sometimes!

      • JMP

        Homophones our awe full.

  • BoatOfVelociraptors

    No bluetooth?

    • Jeff in the desert

      I was vaccinated when it jumped species a few years ago.

      • BoatOfVelociraptors

        I’ve been infected ever since 1.2 I remember being in a Microsoft tech fair when they were pitching bluetooth 1.0 and thinking it was the silliest thing….

        HAHAHAHA I was deumb.

  • Fartknocker

    I just upgraded to a new Jitterbug. It’s awesome. I now have voice mail and a camera. I’ve taken about 30 pictures but I can’t find a Photomat to have the pictures developed.

    • anwisok

      Walmart. Or your friendly local CVS!

    • Sardonicuss

      Well, you plug your Jitterbug into your Jazzy. Then drive the Jazzy over and hook it up to the zip drive. Then transfer over to the 51/4…then mail those to Indonesia. Get your pix back in 6 months..guaranteed.

  • OneYieldRegular

    And yet I still have to use that damn piece of string between my two Dixie cups.

  • Jeff in the desert

    T+33…..

    • anwisok

      ‘Trix expected to arrive around 4, local time. So, about 1.5 hours from now. Hopefully she sets up a live bloog when she does!

  • Jeff in the desert

    So I heard of a couple of artists and none of the songs……old fart…….

  • Rick Hill

    Here’s some REAL music to listen to:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTOtfZkVxk

  • Daisy

    I love this one so much:https://youtu.be/8aefuWGmKTY

  • bubbuhh

    Condolences, Apple clients. You did not get what you paid for, unless you paid for bondage.

  • Msgr_Pheasant_Plucker’s_Son

  • proudgrampa

    I, for one, hate Apple and think they are a total rip-off.

  • Tallmutha

    Fuck Apple with a rusty spike, I mean it. And I don’t gotta say “with votes” because it’s Apple. And don’t use lube.

  • msanthropesmr

    I hate apple. I also hate VW. I await the day that apple gets accused of faking emission standards for their iphones.

    • sincarne

      I really don’t get why people have such a visceral reaction to Apple. Honestly, no trolling.

      • proudgrampa

        In my case, it’s their proprietary OS. EVERYTHING is proprietary with those clowns, never any compatibility.

        • Sardonicuss

          Overpriced, planned obsolescent, proprietory crap built with slave labor …hows that?

          • sincarne

            Sounds like Apple. Also Samsung, HTC, Xiaomi. You might be okay with a Blu phone.

          • Recipriversexclusons

            And now, tax evasion?

          • Sardonicuss

            They really want to be Evil Corp.

        • sincarne

          Their operating system is more open than Windows. They contribute greatly to the open source community, something MS has stepped up on, but only recently. The only proprietary things they have I can think of are Facetime/Messages, the Airplay protocol, and the lightning port.

          • bubbuhh

            LOL

          • Sardonicuss

            Windows isn’t their competing operating system anymore (cloud)…Android is…and Android is wide open.
            And those things you listed are their interface capabilities and are pretty damn important.

          • sincarne

            Parts of Android are wide open. The kernel, the driver layer, parts of the runtime. Many of the libraries they use are the same ones Apple uses, and both Apple and Google contribute to them. But if you were given a phone that only ran the open source parts of Android, you would have a pretty poor experience. You could probably make a call, bot much more. That’s why companies are investing in Cyanogen. So there’s actually a proper open source Android-based OS that you could use on a daily basis.

          • Sardonicuss

            That is true..now.
            It wasnt when I rooted my OG Droid..(2009?).and it only is now because Apple has been forced into compatibly by virtue of the fact that Android has saturated the market.
            I worked with both (actually three) systems from the early eighties until today.
            Apple playing nice with everybody else is a new thing.
            That is why the visceral hatred.

          • Amy!

            OS X has been getting worse (progressive lockin) since 10.6, about when they also started the march toward uniting OS X with iOS.

            This from someone who’s got a hell of a lot of Apple hardware, from the 10.1-10.6 eras. Never an iPhone, though (i do have a max-capacity iPod; I’m prolly gonna have to do a battery replacement on it soon).

            (yes, I’m posting this from a 17″ MBP running 10.6, why do you ask?)

          • sincarne

            Again, honest question: what’s the lock in? Since I hear that a lot, but I haven’t run up against it.

          • Amy!

            The App store, first of all. That the OS is no longer available on physical media. That the OS itself is moving (rather rapidly) away from its open-source base. There are a number of hardware changes that are similar, but I haven’t been buying that hardware so don’t much care.

            Like cars since 1996 with the OBD-II ports, there’s a tendency toward making the software inside proprietary, use but don’t examine. No user-serviceable parts within. Very much like Windows in the Gates and Ballmer heyday, in fact. Fuck that noise.

          • sincarne

            Yeah, I don’t like that you have to use the app store to get the OS either. That’s fair, and that would qualify as a kind of lock in. I guess I think of lock in as “Once you start using our system, you can’t get your data out.” I’m not liking the current Apple hardware, especially as someone who wants to dual-boot to play games, but I can honestly say that I have a workflow on Mac OS that I couldn’t duplicate on Windows *because* I have so much freedom to get down close to the metal and install the tools I need. Maybe the Ubuntu/Bash on Windows thing will help. Until Adobe Photoshop is on Linux, or designers stop giving me PSDs, I only have two choices: Mac or Windows.

          • Amy!

            Fair enough. I write software, and don’t do graphics. OS X used to be a good platform for software development (not targeting OS X, which has always been peculiarly painful, but writing “enterprise” software and open source-y sorts of things, like that). For me, the increasing restrictions are onerous.

            I also hate systemd. And have an onion on my belt, because that was the fashion in those days. In process of switching my gateway/firewall over from Linux to OpenBSD, but will prolly switch the other machines to FreeBSD, because Open is kind of problematic for some things I want to do, and right now (6.0) is in a somewhat unstable state (introduction of W^X).

          • sincarne

            Oh, systemd is ass. As is launchd. And all the network discovery stuff they’ve done since the early days of Bonjour/Avahi/Zeroconf/whatever it’s called now. I’m lucky, I’m a web and web-apps-that-work-like-native developer, so I don’t have to deal with a lot of the stuff you deal with.

            I’m not trolling, and I’m really not a fanboy, honest. I appreciate hearing from people, especially those who soak in the system more than I!

          • Amy!

            *laugh* Same. Was surprised to see that you wanted more information than to beat me up. I appreciate it. :-)

          • hendenburg2

            that’s funny. you can claim it’s “open,” but the mac OS is the most difficult OS to learn how to program in. Much higher entry barrier than Windows or Linux. It’s kinda like leaving the 2nd story window open. Sure, it’s technically open, but it’s not exactly easy to get in.

          • sincarne

            XCode is a great tool, and they give it away for free. Swift is open source. Objective-C is decades old, and has tonnes of tools around it. Their developer documentation is awesome. They host a developer conference, and release all the presentations they do for free once the conference is done. They have kid-friendly learn-to-code apps on the iPad. They have Radar, which, yeah, they often ignore, but where is the Windows version of that? I think they’re doing a lot to make development accessible.

        • aureolaborealis

          (Which means that everything tends to function with the hardware. A feature that is markedly less prominent with my non-Mac computers.)

      • AngryKatie

        My hate is from dealing with Apple as a corporate entity, not as a consumer of Apple products.

        Their arrogance is astonishing and unwarranted. The last company I dealt with that was like this was RIM in their heyday. Where is my old Blackberry…

        • sincarne

          Oh, for sure, they’re pretty obnoxious as a corporation. Cook is pissing me off with his tax lobbying.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          Hillary broke them all…

          • AngryKatie

            With a hammer or with bleach? Or was it both?

        • bubbuhh

          I always love dealing with Apple as a business. First, I lay out a couple of solutions which I think will meet my customers’ needs. After we talk awhile and, mebbe, make some changes, someone almost always asks why i didn’t put together an “Apple” solution. So, we contact Apple.

          The Apple Rep specs out a solution that’s 2-3 times as expensive and doesn’t quite meet all the requirements. Then the Apple Rep tells the customers that Apple doesn’t create custom solutions. They need to take it or leave it; or, find someone else to create some workarounds.

          They we go back to the customer’s office and they gratefully pick one of the options I recommended; and we go from there.

          Thanks, Apple!

          • AngryKatie

            Yes! I’m under an NDA so I’m just going to say 100% this!!!

          • Daisy

            I’ve got an iPod for music, an Android for a phone, and Windows on both my laptop and my family’s PC.

          • AngryKatie

            Ditto. I used to do IT for an office that was all Mac. What a nightmare that was.

          • Daisy

            Oh god, that sounds like a nightmare. I hate Macs and Chromebooks. I will probably have to get a new laptop after college, and I’m making sure it has Windows. (Windows better still be around)

          • AngryKatie

            More than anything, it was expensive! 75% of the time the only solutions were: buy a new Apple approved whatever, or a variant of “that’s proprietary, you’ll have to bring it in for an Apple tech to work on it.”

          • Daisy

            Ugh.

          • hendenburg2

            When you get a new laptop, always splurge on the CPU. Seems expensive, but it can add years of lifetime.

          • hendenburg2

            Yeah, I swore that I would never directly give Apple my money, only creating the exception for App Store and iTunes purchases.

          • Daisy

            As far as I’m concerned, that’s the only thing they’re good for.

        • Yeah…good luck with that

      • Marla

        Think of the proverbial rich grandmother at Christmas time. This year will be the year that she will give you gift you always wanted only to find it just another pair of socks.

        That’s Apple.

        • sincarne

          I really have to say that I’m not following your analogy :)

        • aureolaborealis

          Identical to your old socks, but you will no longer be able to wear any of your old socks? And you’ll also have to buy all new shoes to wear with them?

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        I don’t hate Apple- I’m posting this noncomment from a MBP. But the mac fanboys are absolutely insufferable…

        • sincarne

          Yup. Fanboys of any kind. No company is perfect, and it is nonsense to suggest they are.

      • JMP

        One reason to hate is that took me forever to get a new phone recently because, thanks to Apple’s popularizing the stupid things, almost every new phone just has a touch screen, it’s almost impossible to find one with actual buttons instead. And I hate fucking touch screens. Hell, I’d like to try getting some kind of an personal music player and trying those out but it doesn’t even seem like there’s anything available that’s not an iPod, much less with actual buttons.

        • AngryKatie

          I still mourn my last blackberry. I could have typed a dissertation on that damn thing. Quickly, with footnotes, and with no typos.

        • Amy!

          I checked out iPod alternatives recently (-ish). Sony seems to have some audio (and video? not sure of that) solutions that met my standards (I have enough music, in compressed formats, that I need at least 128GB storage, apart from OS and such). You might give them a look. I believe that there were some others that looked interesting as well.

          But yeah, I use the ipod plugged into my (older) vehicles, so I have to have a hardware fast-forward; I’m not going to go looking at the damn thing instead of the road. Refusing to be distracted by shiny-bright is how I got to be a curmudgeon, thanks.

          • hendenburg2

            don’t tell me you’re referring to that stupid Toberlone-shaped thing promoted by that one musician?

          • Amy!

            Nope. That thing’s expensive. I don’t remember what the name of the thing is.

            http://www.sony.com/electronics/walkman-digital-music-players/t/walkman

            But it looks like the ones that I remember aren’t there any more. Maybe the ZX100, there? Anyway, it may not be for you, but that was the closest that I found, some few months ago.

            The ZX2 may be what you’re referring to? Or Neil Young’s thing? Both of those are for “audiophiles”, which I am not.

          • hendenburg2

            the Neil Young thing

          • Historicat

            Was going to suggest a SanDisk player – inexpensive and reliable (for me, anyway) but if you’re looking for 128 GB that might be more than they can handle. Unless you look at players which accept microSD cards.

          • Amy!

            My two critical bits are: 128+ GB (sd card is okay, though), and random play by album. More players are willing to random play by song, but not album, especially if they’re small-cap for storage. *shrug* Reasonable, really, since that seems to be the new normal. But I grew up on AOR, and I tend to think of an album as equivalent to a set at a club (and I have a lot of albums, after twenty-five plus years of collecting), so I like what I like. Which is to put the whole collection on play-random-albums (preferably with some anti-train-wreck algorithm), and turn it on. Then just fast-forward through stuff if I’m not in the mood for that right now.

            But I ended up realizing that I can keep my 160GB iPod going for a while, if I’m careful. Haven’t used any of the alternatives, and picked up the iPod at the height of the utility and openness of OS X.

      • TJ Barke

        Because they basically became what they set out to defeat.

        • hendenburg2

          they didn’t really set out to defeat anything. They invented something, other people did it better, and they tried to sell themselves as the “underdog”

          • TJ Barke

            Sure they did, they were gonna defeat the “microsoft monopoly”. Now they sell restricted access garbage.

          • hendenburg2

            But Microsoft came about because of the Apple monopoly

          • AngryKatie

            Microsoft predated Apple, and IBM partnered with them for DOS in 1980. Apple was competing with them.

          • hendenburg2

            hmm, I guess I was wrong about that bit. And actually, they were competing with Atari at first, not IBM. Apple was working towards the personal computer market, while International Business Machines, was, as the name suggests, going after business computing. IBM didn’t get into the PC market until 1981, and despite Apple having advantages in distribution and customer base, IBM beat them out in sales by 1983

      • hendenburg2

        1) The people. Apple fans are insufferable.
        2) Their products are overrated.
        3) Their hardware is mostly proprietary and non-upgradeable
        4) Their control over the App Store is so tight they won’t let apps that compete with their own onto their platform
        5) They lifetime ban-hammered a computer security professional for exposing flaws in their App Store security, pointing out that the App Store doesn’t screen for apps that come with malware embedded
        6) They stashed hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars offshore, where it can’t be taxed

      • georgiaburning

        OS wars! Something I don’t miss from the 90’s.
        Now that Apple uses a Windows-compliant base for its laptops and desktops and almost everyone uses an ARM platform for pads and phones, hardware diddling is a lot simpler. But prying info out of Cupertino is almost impossible.

      • aureolaborealis

        Yeah. For the past several years, my work computers have been Windows and Mac. I much prefer the Mac. Our home computers (I mean, other than the phones) have been Windows machines because cheap. When the kids are out of daycare, our next computer will be a Mac of some sort.

        • sincarne

          Once my 2010 MacBook Pro shuffles off, I’m likely going to replace it with a gaming PC and a mid-range MacBook Air with as much storage as I can get. I can’t justify another MBP now that I don’t freelance.

      • msanthropesmr

        OK, so my mother is a big apple fan. And also a VW fan. You will see how these two go together in a few seconds.

        So, she continually has problems with apple, as we do at work. As a matter of fact, in 6 years in our office, all of the laptop failure have been apple products. But she buys them anyway, and expects them to perform differently.

        She does exactly the same thing with VW. Total shitbox of a car, and can’t connect that her brand loyalty verges on stupidity, and that if she bought almost any other car, she wouldn’thave the problems with it that she has with the VW. But she likes it because it’s a VW, not because it has attributes that are good. Same with apple.

        • sincarne

          Part of the reason I’m okay (just okay) with paying a higher price with Apple hardware is that everything I’ve had from them has lasted me at least four, five years. Our two current laptops in our house date to 2007 and 2010. The 2007 black Macbook has some cracked plastic, but other than that, it works great. The 2010 got a new hard drive in 2014, and the battery only last 1.5hrs, but it’s my every day home machine. My iPhone 4 was my every day phone until the SE came out, and it’s now in service as a our kitchen music system. First gen iPad Mini? Still ticking along. Its too bad your experiences haven’t been as good, but mine echo the experiences of a lot of the folks I know, with one exception (a person who got two lemon iMac 5Ks before they gave him a good one).

    • Jeff in the desert

      It was your first PC and you never got over it…..

  • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

    Fuck Apple, here’s some music

    https://youtu.be/a3gp_IqtHTo

  • proudgrampa

    I have been going through my Classic Rock collection lately. Here’s one of my favorites:

    https://youtu.be/NNiie_zmSr8

  • Pickle Truther (AntiDerpomeme)

    I’m kinda like “meh, not outraged,” I can use the dongle thingie if I want to stick with the old style headphones, but I kinda like the idea of wireless phones. Although it does limit the artistic potential:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xm7jp5A9Vks

  • bubbuhh

    A little Southern Swing, Good time Grampus music
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujW8ZHWov6Q

    • Amy!

      I could listen to Atlanta Rhythm Section for hours. Actually, I sometimes do.

  • xtophera

    Thanks, Hillary! (time to start the transition)

  • Joe Beese

    Have you ever wanted to charge your iPhone and listen through it at the same time? (I sure have.)

    You are now required to use Bluetooth earbuds/headphones. But hey, Apple’s got a pair they’re willing to sell you for $160, cheap! Or, somewhat less cheap, some Beats cans with MOAR BASS. (By the way, Bluetooth adds additional data compression on top of whatever lossy MP3 you’re listening to.)

    And why did they screw their consumers in this way?

    Apple Senior VP Phil Schiller took the stage at Wednesday’s iPhone event… It was Schiller’s job to justify why Apple was doing so, and he defended the company’s decision by citing three reasons to move on—and one word: “courage.”

    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/apple-justifies-decision-to-remove-3-5mm-headphone-jack-cites-courage/

    Big brass ones, they’ve got in Cupertino.

    • Jeff in the desert

      VP Phil Schill -er? Hmmmm…I want the new theyPhone.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Yup bluetooth just makes shitty lossy music even shittier

    • Jeff in the desert

      I got the Samsung flip phone. 12.88 at Wally World. I average $10-15/month in costs.

      EDIT: And for you younguns…..YOU CAN TALK ON IT!!!!

      • Aquaria

        Until this past month, I had an Alcatel flip phone, and paid $25 a month for unlimited talk and text.

        However, I was increasingly needing a smartphone for school reasons, like getting access to my college web account when I was out and about, receiving documents from professors or classmates on the go, or accessing websites when I was in study groups at locations with lousy wi-fi. That sort of thing.

        I got one of the SE iPhones, and it’s doing what I needed of it. My husband still has his Alcatel with the $25 a month plan. I think we’ll keep the different systems to be on the safe side.

    • Nockular cavity

      New Apple CEO:

  • TheGrandWaz00

    Election Season Headbangers Special
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICNer22c2PE
    Headbanging is dancing, right? Video is recorded at distortion levels of LOUD. Worth going to youtube to watch because the graphics are pretty awesome in full screen IMO.

  • edith prickly

    DONGLE. dongle dongle dongle dongle….

  • Tallmutha

    Labor Day is my least favorite holiday. Not because I hate Labor, but because I love Summer. Fuck fuck fuck.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYE9RlVFbt0

  • Joe Beese

    Also, before you get that sweet looking glossy-black model, check the fine print:

    Its surface is equally as hard as other anoidzed Apple products; however, its high shine may show fine micro-abrasions with use. If you are concerned about this, we suggest you use one of the many cases available to protect your iPhone.

  • Jeff in the desert

    i8 iPhone will be edible.

    • Will taste like and be made of same thing as protein bars in Snowpiercer

      • proudgrampa

        Hopefully, they won’t use Soylent Green…

      • tehbaddr

        You are the conductor now.

    • bubbuhh

      And will download tunes out one’s ass.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      Good thing it’ll have an Organic Light Emitting Diode (OLED) display then (or so the rumors have it.)

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Try using your Kensington laptop lock on a newer MBP. Try using your firewire accessories. Try replacing your laptop battery or your RAM. Want to know what’s next? Apple just discontinued Thunderbolt support- good thing everyone ran out and bought all those Thunderbolt peripherals and those shiny new 4K Thunderbolt display monitors over the last few years. Don’t worry though, they’ll sell you an overpriced adapter that you can use with that new laptop that will get you almost the same throughput with that fancy new machine that you used to get with your old one with the now obsolete port

    • Daisy

      I still remember having to get an adapter when I updated my iPod after my nano broke, because I had a stereo system with the larger port. Still irritates me.

  • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

    Lets square dance!

    https://youtu.be/NkiJDw1Kung

  • Joe Beese

    Another thing that the new iPhone got rid of: A home button that actually, you know, depresses, in the traditional fashion.

    Another thing I tried: the new home button, which uses a “taptic engine” to give you physical feedback when you press it — it’s pressure sensitive, too, so it can tell if you really mean to press it or just tap it. And it’s awful. On a MacBook trackpad, you get this uncanny feeling that you’re actually hitting a button. On the iPhone, the whole bottom of the phone just sort of “kicks.” It’s not bad haptics like you remember, with weird vibration, it’s just a new kind of bad haptics. It doesn’t feel like a button at all. It’s a bummer.

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/7/12827772/iphone-7-plus-photos-video-hands-on

  • Jeff in the desert

    A little more fiddle moosic….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baxwN8TL-fY

  • mackafritz

    Let’s have some Canned Heat.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGGW4IezbC4

    • Jeff in the desert

      Bob “the bear” Hite once stole a cheeseburger from me….(true story)

  • anwisok

    Was going to post one of the old “Hey, Grandpa – what’s for supper” skits, but can’t find one. So, here’s some Grandpa Jones pickin’ away, while I go fix supper:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpKgWc7cwp0

  • Mavenmaven

    With Apple becoming Zuma, let’s celebrate our new Android overlords with this new insane robotic video from the land of Samsung. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erurRLb-LRw

    • efoveks

      Here’s to your first virus. IOW, if you go to android, be sure to load on some antivirus software. It’s the one downside.

      • Amy!

        Uh. No. Just no.

      • TJ Barke

        I’ve got avast on mine and so far no problems.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    They are forcing me to take up Android and switch back to PC. Oh the infamy.

  • TJ Barke

    Here’s me, at work, and not the drinky thing.

    • Jeff in the desert

      Have you and he ever been seen together?

      • TJ Barke

        No, thank god, I hate that guy…

    • Shanocide

      Is that why you look so mad?

      • TJ Barke

        Yes.

      • Sardonicuss

        He seems casual….like Louis CK!

        • TJ Barke

          I’ve got resting scowl face.

    • Awww…hugs! I am also not at the drinky thing. But i have safely made it to my friends’ place in Toronto and we are heading for dinner shortly

      • TJ Barke

        Well you’ll have your own drinky thing then.

  • bubbuhh
    • mancityfooty .

      I saw them open for Duran Duran
      12 years ago

  • TeeRaak

    FANBOI TRIGGER WARNING!!1!1!

    A good way not to lose your Airpods is to tie a string to both and then wrap the string around your iPhone.
    https://media1.giphy.com/media/CwQuw9MLL4JfW/200w.gif

    • Sardonicuss

      Reggie!
      * I have been chewing my fingertips. Like chewing on your tongue, except less painful.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Sorry to be a contrarian, but I’m pretty meh on the audio jack outrage actually. Nothing lasts forever, and dongles have been used to address this sort of migration for years. The fact that some people think dongle is a funny word is not much of an argument.

    I shed no tears for the serial port, the floppy drive, or the DVI connector.

    DRM takes place in the phone, not the headphones. If there’s a dongle that works, nothing has changed.

    Lastly, the thing people should be upset about is Apple pushing lightning instead of adopting USB C like everyone else. That is a genuine PITA.

    • Gentle Robot

      The headphone jack predated all of those technologies.

      The problem isn’t that the tech is old. The problem is that the alternative is $159 active amplification with a battery life of five hours that could get lost in the couch.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Yeah, the audio minijack goes back to the early 60s, the RS 232 port was defined in 1969.

        The real question is not how old the standards are but how old are the headphones you use with your phone, and how often do you replace those anyway in the normal course of wear and tear?

        • Shanocide

          My kids go through them like socks.

          • TJ Barke

            Yeah but what’s the part that actually fails? For me nine times outta ten it’s the headphones themselves, not anything to do with the audio jack.

          • Gentle Robot

            For me it’s the wire. But I’m talking $5 earbuds.

          • Latverian Diplomat

            The point is, you can use the dongle until your current headphones crap out, then get lightning (or bluetooth) ones if you want. The dongle doesn’t have to be a permanent fixture.

          • Shanocide

            Yeah. They trash all the wires: earbuds, chargers, aux cords…it’s like they’re pets who chew on things.

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Fair enough, though there are some problems with the older tech, which is why they want to get rid of it. It’s a single purpose port, and its thickness prevents them from making the phone thinner, which they wanted to do.

        It may also be harder to waterproof (I don’t know that, I could be wrong), which is in another direction they want to go in.

        • TJ Barke

          When will it finally be fucking thin enough? Fuck, mine’s like 4mm thick and that’s fine.

          • Latverian Diplomat

            Honestly, probably when it can be tattooed/3d printed on your forearm. It will make being a borg so much easier.

          • TJ Barke

            I’m all for collectives but that’s just too far.

          • Joe Beese

            When you cut your fingertip picking it up.

          • Latverian Diplomat

            “Dammit I dropped my phone and it cut it’s way to the center of the Earth, second time this week!”

          • Amy!

            I wish they’d make them thicker again. And smaller. I keep mine on my hip, and the nearly-tablet sized ones are just … not gonna work.

            I’ve got a Sony Xperia Z3 Compact that’s dying now, and hoping I can make it last until the Xperia X Compact is released (even though that’s not really a flagship, but maybe I don’t need a flagship?).

          • Latverian Diplomat

            According to the documentary series Star Trek they will get thicker and smaller again, and flip open like they used to. :-)

          • Amy!

            Only the military versions will have the ‘Kill’ setting, I hope.

            I look forward to having a ‘Stun’ setting on mine, though.

          • AngryKatie

            I’ve got really small hands. When I hold a Galaxy Note or other of the over-sized phones it’s downright comical.

          • Amy!

            Mine are actually embarrassingly large. But I don’t want a big phone, because I have to carry the thing around while I’m out and about on the property (it’s not really a farm, it’s just more or less that size). I need it to fit where it’s out of the way in a place that I automatically adjust for. And not be so thin that an accidental bump inside a protective case will break it anyway.

        • Joe Beese

          Really? There were people out there whose complaints about their phone concerned its having a headphone jack?

          • Latverian Diplomat

            No, it’s an engineering problem. It takes up space, that gets in the way of things people do want (or Apple thinks they do), and all for something that can already be done with the two general purpose interfaces (lightning and bluetooth).

            Look, I’m not saying that people aren’t entitled to whatever deal breakers they want. I don’t have an iPhone and won’t have one anytime soon. Apple does not have a goon squad going around squirting krazy glue in competitor’s audio jacks (ETA: or older iphones, for that matter). If this change is a loser for Apple then it will be and they’ll go back. It’s just that none of the arguments for why it’s a certain loser for Apple have convinced me.

            And what I am expecting and not looking forward to will be all the people who still go ahead and buy one, knowing it has no audio jack, and then whining about “look what Apple did to us” when they did have some choice in the matter, and at the end of the date, it made no difference to them really.

          • Joe Beese

            Apple does not have a goon squad going around krazy glue in competitors audio jacks.

            Not that we know of.

        • Sardonicuss

          What am I missing here? I thought it was because..Bluetooth headsets and casting for video.
          My phone still has a jack, but it has been so long since I used it, I doubt I could find the earbuds to plug in.

          • Latverian Diplomat

            Some people say Bluetooth sucks for audio. I have no personal experience with that, and I suspect it’s a problem with specific implementations problem, rather than a limitation of the protocol, but I don’t have deep knowledge of that. Also the headphones require their own batteries, which is a PITA.

            You’re right though, some people see cableless devices as the future, all wireless interfaces, and even charging done by induction. This is step in that direction.

            You’re not affected by this change, and there might be lots of folks like you/ I admit some people are, they still use the old jack, but Apple thinks they’ll get over it (I suspect they are right, but I’ve been wrong before, especially about marketing).

          • AngryKatie

            Current Bluetooth standards apply compression on top of the compression already used for MP3 and MP4 files. So, for listening to music, Bluetooth provides a much lower level of sound quality.

            It also drains battery faster.

          • Latverian Diplomat

            Fair enough. They have been working on improving the quality in newer versions of Bluetooth, I guess. I’m not sure why they don’t just push the mp3 over Bluetooth and decode it in the headphones, but it’s not my area. There might also be an mp3 license fee issue with that approach.

          • AngryKatie

            I can’t say across the board, but for phones it’s because voice and music are transmitted the same and voice still needs to be compressed.

          • Sardonicuss

            I don’t know. The coolest thing about having a jack was that it would hook into the stereo of my 3000 gt….from 1996! (I put in a bt dongle..even with that car)
            I got two pairs of bt headsets maybe 3 years ago? mostly to compare brands. I had already switched to bt earbuds before. I use them both running an extremely loud riding mower. I am also an kind of an audiophile..worked in music industry a long time.I burned in all of cd’s at high quality in ..2000?
            I run Poweramp (with the equalizer) for ear protection on the mower as much as anything else. The headset vs. earbud thing is long over there.
            The sound quality is awesome! I also hooked up the dongle to my old amp and can sit outside and blue tooth the music while I BBQ and stuff.
            Apple just followed the tech curve. Headsets are so much better. Lightweight etc…and they are all bt now days.

  • Shanocide

    So the IT guy fixed my computer in, like, TWO MINUTES. I am back to full speed, 100% battery power (and charging) and everything is still where I left it.

    DANCE PARTY TIME!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsBByTiKfyY

    • Daisy

      YAY!

      • Shanocide

        This messed-up computer stuff has seriously impacted my quality of life for the past 2 weeks, both personally and professionally.

        Yeah, I know.

        #firstworldproblems

        • Sardonicuss

          So, did the IT guy go….”…..just move I will do it!!”
          Edit: That is a joke,,except for when I get to say it to actual…lesser …IT guys.

          • Shanocide

            Hee! No. He’s actually quite nice! And very, very young…So many people are that young these days….

          • Sardonicuss

            I’ve noticed that! Its disconcerting.

          • Grizz1y

            I remember the first time I visited a doctor who was younger than me. It was a trifle unsettling.

          • Sardonicuss

            I remember that too. He started talking really loudly.
            I said: Dude, I am 49 not 89.

          • aureolaborealis

            Two days ago, at age 49, I received my first ever senior discount at the movies. Totally unsolicited and unacknowledged by the cashier. I was with my 5yo daughter, and our total was what one real person costs these days. “Hey, I, uh, that’s, wha-?… Oh, hell.” I decided to be happy about it.

          • Sardonicuss

            Oh yeah, jump on that stuff. If AARP wasn’t kind of a ripoff, I would be all over that.

          • therblig

            i’m 11 years older than the president. looking forward to being a kid again in 2017.

          • (((cynmac)))

            I prefer it. At age 54, doctors older than me retire and leave me hanging.

          • Joe Beese

            I had to take my 2 month old Dell laptop to the Microsoft Store after the latest update to Windows 10 bricked it. It took the kid tech about an hour to fix it. I was so grateful to him that I was all:

          • Shanocide

            That made me snort!

        • Joe Beese

          It was strange, because this usually never happens to me, but while watching The Verge live-blog of the Apple event, I think during the segment about the Nike edition Apple Watch that nags you to run, 50% faster processor than the old watch!, I remembered that 660 million people don’t have access to safe drinking water.

    • efoveks

      YES!

      It just makes the whole day shine when the computer is all tuned up & ready to go. :)

    • Jeff in the desert
      • efoveks

        Perfect!

      • Shanocide

        Ha! O, and BTW that “switchover” thing? Going about as well as you predicted.

        • Jeff in the desert

          uh…..wha? AC to DC?

          • Shanocide

            Wait, that wasn’t you?

            We’re switching over to all online files and it’s borked already.

          • Jeff in the desert

            Not I, madame. I am merely an amateur computer person. I see your IT department has its head in a cloud…..hahaha

          • Shanocide

            Dang. I’m terrible with names. Even with my own kids….

          • Jeff in the desert

            Billy, Bobby, Raymond, Crystal, little Shannon, Mickey, Sissy, Roberta…oh hell, y’all get in here!

          • Shanocide

            I don’t have THAT many kids. Just the two (that I know of, anyway). My problem is that I sometimes call my daughter by my little sister’s name because she is filed in my brain as “junior female member of the house” and I sometimes also call her by my son’s name when I’m annoyed with her, because my son annoys me a lot. And when my son was a baby, I would accidentally refer to him by my cat’s name.

          • mancityfooty .

            Mine goes Middie, Daisy, Karl, Pippa!

          • Shanocide

            Your mom, or your brain?

          • mancityfooty .

            me, out loud

          • mancityfooty .

            I had a dream last night that you gave me a new doorknob and lockset to celebrate me getting an apartment.

          • Shanocide

            Um. I’d like to celebrate a new apartment as well. I need one in Wichita, downtown, 2br with parking and a balcony for $1000 a month or under. That’d be nice. Have that dream for me, plz.

          • mancityfooty .

            balcony!?!

            well, I’ll try.

          • Shanocide

            Well, I need a balcony because I’m a gross person who smokes sometimes.

          • mancityfooty .
          • Shanocide

            I’d pic back but it’s too dark on my porch.

          • mancityfooty .

            No worries. I’m in bed anyway.

          • Shanocide

            I should go as well. Wash up and fall over.

          • Grizz1y

            That explains why you keep changing names. You’ve forgotten your own name.

            My grandfather was notoriously bad at names, I am the only boy in the children/grandchildren group and if he wanted to call one of us across the house he’d list all of the names, So to get me he’d go through my Mom and Aunt, both my cousins, and my sister to get to me.

    • tehbaddr

      So he did a hard reboot?

      • Shanocide

        He rebooted it, hit one of the “function” keys a bunch of times to get to the BIOS, changed how it booted, and BOOM. Back in business.

        • tehbaddr

          Heh BIOS, now if you had a Mac…

          • Shanocide

            Making that decision is not part of my job, sadly. Happily, what IS part of my job is going to be the subject of a company meeting tomorrow, so YAY! The vagenda is ALL MINE!

    • Cannedclamscanner

      Please sent nice IT guy this way next.

  • TJ Barke

    I miss RealPlayer…

    • Amy!

      Bleah. I didn’t miss it while it was in existence. That was some seriously clumsy software, that was.

    • tehbaddr

      WinAmp or GTFO!

      • Arolpin

        WinAmp was one of the first guilt-ware products that I actually paid for. It was so much better than anything else out at the time, and I used it a lot, so I sent them a check.

  • Daisy

    OT: Apparently, Trump and Hillary are doing an NBC forum tonight, which I must have forgotten about.

    • TJ Barke

      I bet that won’t be a total shitshow at all.

      • anwisok

        First one, then the other. Not face to face.

        • TJ Barke

          Either way…

        • Sardonicuss

          Cage Match!
          Hilz would drop that cheeto like 2ft. put….

        • Joe Beese

          As soon as I heard that, my interest in viewing dropped to zero.

        • AngryKatie

          Who’s on first? Unless they keep the other in a soundproof box at the side of the stage like on an old game show, whoever goes second might be worth listening to.

    • Panika MCD

      wish we got a livebloog for that. oh well.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Here’s my prediction: Trump wins so long as he shows up and doesn’t actively vomit on himself. No matter what Hillary does, says, or brings, she loses because the bar for her is set between the tallest trees in the rainforest, while Fanta Hitler’s is buried in the Marianas Trench. :(

      • AngryKatie

        Someone they had on before I left for work this morning said pretty much exactly that.

    • JMP

      MSNBC should have spent about 25-33% of their airtime over the past week endlessly promoting the thing to the point where many of us are sick of watching it to the point where we can’t even get through the usually awesome Maddow.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        Maddow’s not even doing the questioning. It’s some dude.

        • JMP

          If it was Maddow grilling Trump, that would be awesome; but no. But she still had to keep hyping it during her show.

    • ltmcdies

      just briefly checked MSNBC….couldn’t see who was moderating. Or are questions just going to be rolled down the aisles on oranges from the audience

      • Panika MCD

        all the Qs are going to come from veterans in the audience. so far I’ve only seen that Tamron Hall will be womanning the SnapChat. probably going to be moderated by Matt Lauer and Savannah Guthrie, though.

    • Daisy

      Ooooh, that’s amazing!

    • sincarne

      Woo! Welcome to my neck of the woods. Have fun! You’re literally like a 10 min walk away from where I’m toiling away.

    • anwisok

      Yay you! Great pic, BTW. I saw the schedule you posted the other day. Try to find time to rest somewhere in there. Have fun!

    • ltmcdies

      I miss Toronto..until it snows and then…not so much

    • tehbaddr

      What will they be screening you for?

    • janecita

      If you see Michael Fassbender smooch him for me!

      • I’m not even seeing either of his movies! They didn’t work in my schedule/were already sold out.

        • janecita

          Oh well, some other time. Have lots of fun!

  • tehbaddr

    CD? CD-R’s? Wherever did you find them, in a bin of 8 tracks!

    • Jeff in the desert

      Latest storage device..constant velocity track, holds hundreds of kilobytes of analog data, easy storage.

      • tehbaddr

        Heh, I still have some in storage, but most all of that is now on external HDD’s if I can find them or, get this thumb drives! Never trusted cloud computing.

        • mancityfooty .

          I found a bunch of blanks when I was cleaning from when I was torre….getting my movies legally.
          Yeah, that’s the ticket.

        • therblig

          i’m moving all my music to hollerith cards. so far, i have britney’s “toxic” on an 8 ft stack.

          • tehbaddr

            So much more space efficient than difference engines!

  • Jeff in the desert

    Any arrests yet in Portland?

    • Panika MCD

      depends on what the Bundys are up to today.

    • anwisok

      It would be irresponsible not to speculate. Maybe Shy & Rebecca got shaken down again?

      • tehbaddr

        Son, is that there a refer in the ashtray there? I SAID SON….

        • mancityfooty .

          I don’t think they can ask about that anymore

          • therblig

            they still allow ashtrays in vehicles? barbaric!

          • tehbaddr

            Special smoking option ~ $500 for ashtray and lighter, last time I looked. Heh what do I know Zipcar and rentals are my ride!

          • mancityfooty .

            it’s an option
            and it takes one of your power points

          • Recipriversexclusons

            Doesn’t search and seizure fall under “reasonable cause” after the SCOTUS decision?
            “You appear to be ‘bad’ therefore you are.”

          • tehbaddr

            Well, when you can see all the roaches in the ashtray…

          • mancityfooty .

            Isn’t it legal there?

          • I Only Like Cats

            Decriminalized. They can still decide to arrest you and bring you up on federal charges if they don’t like you.

          • tehbaddr

            Driving under a influence is never legal!

  • tehbaddr

    Hey I’ve used my dongle many times, I’ve put my dongle in another persons machine and let them put their dongle in mine! Even borrowed dongles in the past and let people I hardly know use them! It’s a copy write thing don’tcha know!.

    • Sardonicuss

      Well, as long as you used a condom…
      Wait, what..?

      • tehbaddr

        USB drives are the whores of the computing world, always ready to give you a nasty virus. Dongles however seem to not have that problem, can’t write to them, and as far as I know, can’t make an image of them (never tried as they were used for high end scientific programs on the lab’s dime).

        • Sardonicuss

          The Iranians will tell you…that Stuxnet clap was a whirlwind of pain!

  • TJ Barke

    Heh, we still use a client database from 95.

  • Joe Beese

    It’s not the size. It’s the ongle of the dongle.

    • Panika MCD

      I sometimes call my dogs “dongles” because REASONS. now I can’t anymore.

  • Panika MCD

    OT: knowing your elected officials (INTRODUCE ONE OF YOUR FAVES!)

    I just want to acknowledge that I have the very best Tax Assessor-Collector in all the land. for some reason, in TX this office is often the official voter registrar for the county you live in. his mission was to get Travis County to 90% of the eligible voting population registered. and he posts updates about it. really cool nerdy updates as of 9/1, we have 15,360 people left to register to reach this goal. because Bruce is awesome.

    AND he is also too so awesome that when he ran for this office, Lloyd Doggett introduced him at his first campaign event. because Bruce is that awesome.

    AND he has an Ice Cream Social every year (though he’s going to hand it off after next year as he will have been doing it for 25 years at that point) where people enter their homemade ice cream and everyone votes on the best one. when he was a constable, the money raised went to feeding poor children. now it goes to helping people in a bind pay their property taxes so they don’t lose their home just because the economy is being particularly shitty to them on a given year. it also serves as the official “We’re all gonna have to work together, NICE TIME” after the primaries. because Bruce is awesome.

    AND he holds classes to help people take advantage of all the tax cuts they are eligible for and talk them through the appraisal challenge process. (Texas is particularly nice in that since they have the person who collects your taxes also too register the voters, they allow another entity to actually tell you what you owe so that someone else can be the bad guy). because Bruce is awesome.

    AND he’s pro-online reg., pro-same-day reg., anti-voter ID and trying to convince the lege that he should have a kiosk to renew DLs because it’s stupid to have the state troopers responsible for that (something that Col. McCraw agrees with). because Bruce is awesome

    AND, finally, he characatured himself for his campaign stuff so I have a shirt with this on it:

    http://elfantfortaxassessor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/YardSign.jpg

    • Arolpin

      Damn, he sounds awesome. Does his office actually collect taxes too? If so, we need to push him to run for higher office.

      • Panika MCD

        yes, his office does collect taxes. no, you cannot have him. we’ll let him get our voter reg rate up to 99% before pushing for more, but I don’t know if his wife or dogs would be cool with that.

    • Please Vagenda Bozilingus

      People aren’t afraid to speak of the Elfant in the room?

      • Panika MCD

        no, but he was the only one to point out the Gerald Daugherty (the only R left to hold a county level position in Travis) in the room when he took his oath of office.

  • Astraea

    It’s not about the money!!!

    https://youtu.be/qMxX-QOV9tI

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    Hey, Wonkette, are you liveblooging this candidate forum thing tonight?

    • Joe Beese

      Not much to say, is there? Trump will keep us safe, with his smarts and best people, and Hillary has one foot in the grave anyway.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        It’s not so much for the candidates as for the Wonk(non)commentariat, which is pretty much my favorite way to engage in election forums.

  • JMP

    I’m getting a male-order bride ad here – for an already creepoid site called iDateAsia – that’s even creepier than usual, as it features a woman who has been photoshopped to the point where she’s right in the middle of the uncanny valley and almost looks closer to a video game character or a doll than a real human being. But that’s probably a plus for the kind of creeps who use those sites.

    • sincarne

      Yeah, I get those here, too, although usually for central/eastern Europe. Maybe because of the names of Trump’s wives/kids?

    • I keep getting those uber creepy Russian Amputee Brides ads. WTF?

      • JMP

        I’ve gotten Russian bride ones too, but not the amputee part (or haven’t noticed if I did), that does sound extra creepy, yeah.

    • Joe Beese

      You can rag on these kinds of ads, but if you know a better way to hook up with hot women in my area who want to meet me, I’d like to hear it.

      • msanthropesmr

        I hear the library’s good for meeting chicks.

        • I Only Like Cats

          For nerds, yes, but we don’t really want to talk to people while we’re reading.

          • msanthropesmr

            No no, they’re always having some sort of thing at the library for like growing shit in pots, or making attractive bookends out of a shoebox and a brick, or something. You meet people at those things. Shit, if you bug somebody while their reading, you’ll never hear the end of it. Just as MsAnthrope.

          • I Only Like Cats

            If I respond to future Mr. Cats when we’re texting and I’m reading I’ll get really mad and it’s not his fault at all.

          • Jen B_VA

            How to know a guy is not for you: Go to a library and the ones who interupt your reading are not for you.
            The ones who wait until you stop reading, that is more a maybe. Unless they have the Art of the derp under their arm

    • Latverian Diplomat

      “male-order bride”, but they only feature women? Seems like false advertising.

    • Panika MCD

      maybe you’re ordering one of these to wed:

      http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/04/sexbots-realdoll-sex-toys

  • I Only Like Cats

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxc20saM8DA I’ve been binge watching him lately, and now, so are you!

  • Jeffocaster in the desert

    New moniker

    • msanthropesmr

      That thing still stay in tune as long as you don’t use the whammy bar?

      • Jeffocaster in the desert

        Yeah

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Tuning is for quitters.

        • Objectifer

          Out of tune = jazz

  • limberrat
    • I Only Like Cats

      Where’s Trump’s?

      • MynameisBlarney

        NO shit, lol

    • I Only Like Cats

      The best part about that article was even CBS News was sarcastic of it’s coverage of injured guards and protesters “attacking” workers. I think we’re all sick of companies’ blatant nonsense.

    • Joe Beese

      Gangsta!

    • anwisok

      LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER . . . What? Oh, wrong female candidate. Sorry ’bout that!

      / s: Good on her!

  • MynameisBlarney
  • MynameisBlarney
  • in the name of the moon

    Private Dancer was one of my first 45s. Why Santa brought a 7 yr old that particular song, I’m not sure. Maybe had different plans for my adulthood than I.

  • the Vagenda Manologues

    So, because I’m not dancing or disporting myself in Seattle, here’s the fruits of my sanity day

    • MynameisBlarney

      That looks mighty tasty!

      • the Vagenda Manologues

        Hope so :)

        Peach cilantro salsa is next.

        • MynameisBlarney

          That sounds awesome!

          • the Vagenda Manologues

            I really hope so

  • zerosumgame0005

    the thing is a LOT of people us “Square up” for business so they can swipe cards remotely, so now Crapple has screwed then so they will not “upgrade”

  • Joe Beese

    Is this motherfucker kneeling?

    • TJ Barke

      That must be why he sold arms to Iran.

    • cousin itt

      At least this is isn’t a gif, I’d hate to see Donald’s body jerking spasmodically.

    • Amy!

      Nancy gave better blowjobs.

      • cousin itt

        Yeah, Ronnie doesn’t look too happy that picture.

    • Jen B_VA

      Wow that lighting really shows off his bald spot

  • “Courage”

  • aureolaborealis
    • TJ Barke

      Hillary killed Kurt!

      • aureolaborealis

        I thought Courtney Hillary’d him.

        • TJ Barke

          Hillary paid Courtney to pay someone to kill Kurt.

  • Joe Beese

    Principles like you wouldn’t believe, trust me.

    For months, Donald Trump has blasted Congress for excessive defense spending, calling for buying fewer of the newest fighter jets and scaling back weapons purchases pushed by “special interests.”

    But on Wednesday, he was singing from the traditional GOP national security hymnal, calling for billions of additional dollars for a bigger Army and Marine Corps, missile defense systems and more ships and fighter jets. He also advocated an end to mandatory budget caps — the same ones he used to criticize as too loose. …

    While many of Trump’s proposals would be difficult, if not impossible, to execute, the blueprint — drawn heavily from the conservative Heritage Foundation that provided much of the intellectual underpinning of Ronald Reagan’s arms buildup in the 1980s — signals he is hewing much closer to Republican orthodoxy on military issues as enters the final stretch of the White House race.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-turns-defense-hawk-227855

    • Panika MCD

      aren’t these the same people who bitch about wanting a balanced budget (despite the fact that states with balanced budget requirements in their constitutions would no longer be able to balance their budgets)?

      • Joe Beese

        We can pay for longest hardest missiles there are if we stop wasting money on medical care for old people. (Who are going to die soon anyway.)

        We have no choice, folks. We have no choice.

        • Jen B_VA

          Thing is, the military could have all its toys without sacrificing medical care for the olds, or even youngs, if they’d stop trying to private contract the fucking military.
          Privatizing the DOD does not save any moolah. Can’t say that enough.

    • Blackest Noobs

      im laughing more about the fact that one of Trump’s 88 generals who endorsed him, one of the main ones, General Mikey Flynn was FIRED by the Pentagon.

      and like Trump couldn’t get 412 more of ’em like Mittens…who like Trump lost a Presidential election.

      (p.s. i’m from the future, Trump lost the election and then was killed by a chupacabra; Mexico still denies they sic it on him.)

      • Panika MCD

        how many does HRC have? I know it’s lots.

      • Spotts1701

        Most of his 88 are Navy Admirals (and the Navy doesn’t exactly have a huge role in the fight), and based on the comments from Retired Lt. General Mark Hertling quite a few haven’t exactly been recent of the Pentagon (Hertling retired in 2012). As to Trump’s plan to demand the military have a coherent plan for fighting and defeating ISIS in 30 days, Hertling asked “what the hell does he think we’ve been trying to for the last 14 years in terms of al-Qaeda?”

      • Please Vagenda Bozilingus

        Did the chupacabra leap out of his taco bowl?

      • Jen B_VA

        88 you say…..HUH. How coincidental.

    • Jen B_VA

      Surprise! Trump said something just because some people wanted him to and then fell back into ye old line!
      Where’s all them Hillz is more a war hawk buffoons? I need MEAT.

      • Joe Beese

        It’s difficult to say, because there’s scant evidence Trump holds coherent opinions on war or anything else. But Hillary’s record is real, unrepentant, and bloody. Whatever reasons there might be to vote for her, her foreign policy views are not among them.

        • Jen B_VA

          I am pretty sure his views on “Bomb them all and take their oil” was pretty clear and coherent. OH and the whole nukes being on the table thing, also, too.
          Not to mention how much he loves torture.
          IDK, seems to me he has been very, very very clear on what he plans to do with the military.

  • going4baroque
    • Joe Beese

      How many electoral votes does Private Idaho have?

      • msanthropesmr

        Same as the real state: 0.5

      • going4baroque

        I only know this: As much as people there love their potatoes, it is not lawful to marry them

        • Please Vagenda Bozilingus

          Maybe they would marry their mashed potatoes.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AenF48rgNFM

          • going4baroque

            I have a couple friends who told me, in the strictest confidence, that they married couch potatoes

      • Latverian Diplomat

        Is Private Idaho deployed overseas? They have special ballots for that.

  • msanthropesmr
  • Joe Beese

    RedState wants Google to know that they, RedState, know what’s going on and they, Google, aren’t going to get away with it.

    “Hillary Clinton cou” not autocompleting cough feels like someone’s hand intentionally putting their thumb on the scales, which is exactly the thing Google promised Congress they did not do. And if they are doing it, they should be made to answer why they told Congress they were not.

    • I Only Like Cats

      How many people are conspiracy theorists though?

    • Jen B_VA

      Hillary according to the wingnuts:
      How could we NOT want the person they describe as president? While on her death bed she has taken over the world!!!!!

    • Spotts1701

      Yes, because Congress should investigate computer algorithms. They can’t even understand how e-mail works, but high-level computer programming? Sure.

      • Jen B_VA

        All because google does not auto fill cough for cou.
        Now….call me silly, but would not coup be the rational autofill on that one?

      • Amy!

        They’re doing so well on encryption, after all!

    • Recipriversexclusons

      Dear dredstate, RTFM!
      Autocomplete is a browser setting, regardless of browser used.
      Of course, you’re to S-M-R-T for that ant us (L)users are A idiot an morAns!
      https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/106230?hl=en

    • Panika MCD

      I got auto-completes for:

      coup
      country
      country club
      coupon code
      country song

      no “cougar”.

  • Objectifer

    In honor of those brave cowboys defending our freedumbs up Oregon way, an old ditty:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcHYOlGbe7Y

  • mancityfooty .

    I’m looking at apts right now.
    I found an ad on craigslist for an rv park getting in on the tiny house craze.
    I was tempted, but it was Missouri and on craigslist so I figured I’d be murdered.

    • AngryKatie

      Having lived in a tiny apartment (about 500 sq ft), with another adult, for more than 10 years, I’m skipping the tiny house thing. We’re not sure how we managed not to kill each other the first time.

      On the upside, the 1000 sq ft we have now seems like a MANSION.

      • msanthropesmr

        500 sq ft? Luxury. We lived in a bucket.

        • cousin itt

          Lucky bastard. We lived in a 3000 sq ft. condo on the Upper East Side and could never get a decent doorman.

        • Arolpin

          I lived in a WWII canvas tent for a summer. We eventually got electricity out there, so we then had a tent, a fridge, and a lamp. And a lot of supplies to build barbed-wire fences.

        • Jeffocaster in the desert

          Well, it was 55 x 10…with a great big dent in the bedroom door.

      • mancityfooty .

        but it would be just me and a cat or two.
        the one bedroom apt I’m going to apply for tomorrow is bigger than the 1 bedroom house I’m in now.
        plus it has a dishwasher

        • AngryKatie

          I hear you on the dishwasher!

          I currently have a portable dishwasher that lives in the hallway and gets rolled to the kitchen. Because one day I woke up, looked at the kitchen full of dirty dishes yet again, and announced “that’s it, I’m buying a fucking dishwasher, we’ll figure out somewhere to put it.”

          • mancityfooty .

            I’m the dishwasher here

          • AngryKatie

            It turns out that, embarrassingly, neither of us is the dishwasher here.

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        I’m about to move from 2100 sq ft to 1,000. Gonna be interesting. I had to get rid of boatloads of crap to fit in.

        • AngryKatie

          Boxes. The secret is storing everything in boxes.

      • Arolpin

        When I left Manhattan for NJ I went from ~720 sq ft to about 3600 sq ft. I had more furniture than you would think, because my previous apartment was about 1200 sq ft (and rent-fucking-stabilized, I would still be there if the better half didn’t want to buy a place) and my co-op had LOTS of basement storage. It still took about 3 years to get the house furnished. I think it took about 7 years before I had real beds (not futons, not aerobeds, not pull-out couches) in all of the guest rooms.
        Every now and then we go on big family vacations in huge (>5000 sq ft) houses, and I always think what a pain in the ass it would be to furnish it.

        • AngryKatie

          When we moved into this place we had a bed, a futon, some bookcases, and a wall full of Ikea wardrobes. People would come over to see the new place and they’d have to sit on the floor.

          I don’t mind the size of our place, but dear god do I want a 2nd bathroom. I’m with you on the big places though. Not only to furnish, but to keep clean. I love that I can vacuum my entire place in 10 minutes.

          • Arolpin

            When our twins finally came home from the NICU we hired a cleaner to come by every 2 weeks just so that we could actually sleep for a bit. We continued that when we moved to the ‘burbs. We keep a clean house, but not having to do a deep clean every two weeks is a very affordable luxury.

          • AngryKatie

            Twins? I’d have kept a cleaning person too.

      • Sardonicuss

        Until last year, had never lived in anything less than about 2500 sq. ft.
        Am now living a 1000 sq. ft. and loving it. Shedding useless possessions like an old skin.
        Would like to get down to where everything I own would fit in my 18ft. tandem axle pull behind trailer.
        If I could afford it, I would live on the road never come home.

        • AngryKatie

          I know someone that works as a travelling nurse that lives that way. He has a trailer, and goes where ever he thinks it will be interesting. The contracts are usually no more than a few months, so he finds an RV park to call home while he’s there.

          He’s been all over the country that way, he loves it. There long enough to get to know a place, gone before he gets tired of it.

          • Sardonicuss

            I would do that for the rest of my life if I could. Lucky man.
            I have always just liked traveling better than sitting still. Weird.

    • Panika MCD

      my brother is looking to make a tiny house commune down here in Austin if you’re interested. I want a tiny treehouse. he’s looking into those things they’re calling yerts which are not exactly yerts, but are like yerts on steroids.

      • mancityfooty .

        fire ants? no thanks.
        When I leave Kansas, it will be to Colorado or Oregon.
        for reasons

        • UncleTravelingMatt

          Why not Washington? We have orcas. And by we, I mean they — the people who don’t live in the desert.

          • mancityfooty .

            ’cause I might want to shoot guns when I get old

          • UncleTravelingMatt

            Pfft. Idaho is right next door. It’s basically an albino Somalia.

          • Arolpin

            Plus Western Washington is as gun-crazy as anywhere.

          • mancityfooty .

            I do like the closeness to Canada
            and good Canadian budweiser

            no, I said good.
            hell no, I don’t drink the usa pisswater!
            *hides pbr can*

        • cousin itt

          You’re welcome here in Colorado. We have many recreational opportunities.

          I left Kansas 25 years ago. While I miss Lawrence, I don’t miss the stifling humidity and idiot politicians.

          • mancityfooty .

            and the mountains were beautiful at the bud n breakfast in Silverthorne

          • mancityfooty .

            I know it was dry as fuck in the mountains

        • Panika MCD

          fire ants are one of the many reasons I want to be in the trees, but you can get rid of fire ants with diatomaceous earth.

        • Shanocide

          Lemme know how you get out.

    • Aquaria

      I’ve lived in everything from a 15 X 15 studio apartment all the way up to a 7500 sf home in the exurbs.

      The only thing that ended up mattering was which one was easiest to keep clean, and that was definitely the studio apartment.

  • Beowoof14

    Let me dedicate this song to Apple for the last iPhone I will purchase:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE5iI0QM6qY

  • cousin itt

    It doesn’t have a headphone jack.

    Thanks Obama!

    Oh, and Hillary killed the radio star.

    • Panika MCD

      who else could have MURDERKILLED Radio Starr other than Hillz?

  • Astraea
  • Brian

    for the Commander-in-Chief forum

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAJuRK9x4No

    • Land Shark

      double upfist.

  • Jeffocaster in the desert

    This just in: Jill Stein has been released on $1Million bail for vandalism and obstruction of Big Oil. She has indicated that Johnson, Clinton and Trump have colluded to frame her to prevent her participation in the debates. Calling them “Wall Street Shills” she also noted the picture of her is photo shopped, likely provide by Big Media Adobe Systems who she accused of providing support for a smear campaign.

    • Jen B_VA

      …wa? That ain’t a real thing, right?

      • Jeffocaster in the desert

        I dunno, I just heard it on Fox….

        • Jen B_VA

          Oh. So utterly made up and spoken by a lady with a camera up her skirt.

          • Jeffocaster in the desert

            Is that to check the vagenda?

          • Jen B_VA

            Make sure the manocide is in place, yes.

    • TJ Barke

      Hmm, I’m all for obstruction of big oil…

  • Jeffocaster in the desert

    REPORTS! I WANT REPORTS FROM THE DRINKY THINGY!!!!!!

    • TJ Barke

      This just in: I’m still not at it.

  • mancityfooty .
    • Land Shark

      No beat or rhythm … hard to dance to.

    • ViveLaRes

      In all seriousness, as the mom of a struggling opioid addict, I can only say that we need to listen to this very smart man and elect him to something as soon as humanly possible.

    • TJ Barke

      Ain’t no party like a percocet party, cuz a percocet party destroys families.

    • Shanocide

      Holy shit.

  • Brian
  • ViveLaRes

    I must for once be a contrarian and assert that Apple has sucked for a long, long time and Steve Jobs was a garden-variety opportunist capitalist. Sorry, carry on.

    • Sardonicuss

      ….he never coded but….but…”He was the idea man!”

      • msanthropesmr

        “Make it look like something from the future”

        • Sardonicuss

          Chirp..chirp. Beam me up Scotty.
          And have Motorola patent that smartphone 2 years before you produce it!

  • Jeffocaster in the desert

    OT: Drinky thingy in early December in Virginia. Make it happen.

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      Seconded! Virginia needs that thing.

    • Jen B_VA

      We should probably make sure we’re alive, not rounded up and or deported and allowed to roam around the state by then, no?

  • BrianW

    I don’t normally contribute to the Dane Party, but this song brings back some nice memories. First heard it on a cassette that was sent to me back in the 1980s. The cassette (and letters) are long gone, but the memories remain.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpu6dYfZWpY

  • Duke

    What’s good for Apple sucks for the rest of us.

    When did they become the evil, tax-dodging empire?

  • aureolaborealis

    Did someone say dance party?
    https://youtu.be/2aVUB0nIONo

  • UnsaltedSinner

    Don’t know why, but I have this earworm today.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMST3H69-Os

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    Hey! Dar Williams! Awww. Haven’t thought about her in years. Solid folk-y music, though.

    I wonder if we’ve been good enough children to get an open thread for Matt Lauer vs. Orange/Hillz tonight.

    • Shoto

      Starts as soon as Tweety Hardball shuts his piehole…

  • Shoto
  • Jen B_VA

    WOOT! First prime time trump ad for me in VA!
    It is all one liners. Hillary will raise taxes. Jobs will go. More of the same but worse. Trump will be better, vote Trump.
    Kid you not

    • SayItWithWookies

      It’s as detailed as any of Trump’s policy proposals, but is at least mercifully brief.

      • Jen B_VA

        Did you catch it? And a lovely shot of the freedom tower at the end! Because…wait…
        didn’t he bad mouth that?

        • SayItWithWookies

          That was just a campaign gambit — like badmouthing America and its citizens.

          • msanthropesmr

            If its citizens elect Trump, I will be bad mouthing America a lot. And I live here.

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      I’ve seen that one. “Things are bad now. Under Trump, prosperity. Jobs. Unicorns. Rainbows.” Apparently he just thinks these things and they happen, ’cause there sure as hell ain’t no policy in those ads. Just *poof*. Problems solved.

    • ViveLaRes

      Sounds like the one playing here in north Florida. It’s pretty lame but imagine the goobers will eat it up.

      • Jen B_VA

        Naturally. They have this thing for eating up precisely what they want to hear without realizing that he is telling them precisely nothing.

    • Amy!

      Twitter via television, then?

      • Jen B_VA

        Pretty much XD Each line just a one liner. under 140 for sure.

  • cousin itt

    Is this the thread for MS/NBC’s Commander in Chief thingy?

    • anwisok

      Appears so!

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        For lack of options, our dance party is GOING ROGUE!

  • ViveLaRes

    So one of these days can we haz a Protest Song Party? I would love nothing more than to see what the Wonketariat believes to be the great protest songs of our time, or any other.

    • Jen B_VA

      We had a labor day song party so why not?

    • msanthropesmr

      Anything by Paul Robeson. Jeffocaster has a 78 of Songs of Freemen that I gave him with Robeson.

      • Jeffocaster in the desert

        8 sides of Paul Robeson

    • anwisok

      We haven’t? News to me!

    • UnsaltedSinner

      “Know Your Rights” by The Clash, obviously.

    • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

      My personal favourite

      http://dai.ly/xtazs3

  • SayItWithWookies

    I can’t wait for morning news maven Matt Lauer to lay a beatdown on Trump. “What’s your favorite type of camo?”

    • msanthropesmr

      AOTK.

    • cousin itt

      He prefers the ones with two humps.

    • Jen B_VA

      Candidate Trump, how much did your tie cost? I see, very interesting.
      Candidate Clinton, emailzbenghazimonicahuma?

      • msanthropesmr

        Does Tim Kaine play the Hazimonica?

        • cousin itt

          Bill is so jealous.

        • Jen B_VA

          OF COURSE HE DOES

          • Jeffocaster in the desert

            I thought that was Bill’s instrument……

          • Panika MCD

            no. he plays the Saxxxyphone.

          • Jeffocaster in the desert

            NOOOOOO……HaziMONICA

          • Jen B_VA

            I just got that. Right now.
            Huh, not after 10 even….

          • Panika MCD

            and Hillz plays the Humanico?

    • Panika MCD

      since the questions are coming from vets, do you think NBC will allow him to ask that question even though WGAD?

  • Brian

    I would love to see before and after polls of the Vets in the crowd. At least Hillary got warm welcome.

    • Jen B_VA

      They did pre poll them. And took the questions from the ones that muttered about burning the witch.

      • cousin itt

        It’s a fair cop.

  • Shoto

    Lauer’s getting the email-gate bullshit off the table right up-front.

    • Jen B_VA

      I feel I really ought to win something by now. Like teeth panties for being always right.

    • Brian

      next question: are you healthy enough to be Commander-in-Chief?

      • Shoto

        CoughingFitGate!!!!

    • Recipriversexclusons

      From msanthropesmr’s wapo link;

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/07/fbi-director-clinton-email-case-was-not-a-cliff-hanger/?utm_term=.769a88af890d

      FBI Director James B. Comey said in a memo to the bureau’s employees that the decision not to charge Hillary Clinton for her use of a private email server while secretary of state was “not a cliff-hanger” and, “despite all the chest beating by people no longer in government, there really wasn’t a prosecutable case.”

      • anwisok

        He was just afraid of getting Vince Fostered!

  • BMW

    WONKETTE Y U NO LIVEBLOG???? HEEEENGGGH?

    • Jen B_VA

      They’re getting snookered in Portland. Slackers.

      • BMW

        Insert my 501st “Portlandia” reference of the week here.

    • cousin itt

      There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image; make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: there is nothing wrong with your television set. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to the outer limits.

  • Shoto

    She copped to it. Now, can we move on to, y’know, foreign affairs?

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    Hillz looks like she’s got extra crunchy hair tonight. Plus anti-hockey mom lipstick. A bit too muted. What? I’m shallow like that.

    • Joe Beese

      Hillary expressing support for LGBTQ rights.

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        Ah. Now it all makes total sense.

  • Panika MCD

    so SOS is not supposed to be on the emails when overseas as the SOS often is?

  • Brian

    oh, for fucks sake.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Hillary was in Pakistan, so Lauer asks her if it was possible someone could’ve gotten her emails there. Um — her server was still in the US, and I’m sure Hillary had security and wasn’t just waving her phone all over the place — but we could go on and on microanalyzing her every move and get nowhere.

    • Panika MCD

      SOS should only be allowed to communicate in morse code.

  • msanthropesmr

    The cat is growling. Impending thunderstorm. The cat is now under the lowest thing in the house.

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      Trump is there with you?

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    She corrupted our national security! C’mon. It was over 18. It knew what it was doing.

    • Jen B_VA

      It was a total tease

    • msanthropesmr

      What with that tight skirt, and tank top.

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    Seriously, the interviewer is asking about emails and Benghazi right out of the box. FOR FUCK’S SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jen B_VA

      Serves her right for not giving a nightly press conference/rally speech.
      Because you know, Trump answers everything fairly and never ever dictates what questions he will be asked, or who may ask them.

      • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

        We all know that if she just answered these questions honestly and forthrightly the issues would finally be settled, and no one would ever bring them up ever again.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Shit, soldier, I worked on US Navy sonar trainers, and I and a bunch of my coworkers had classified info around us all the time. Most of it was, say, one phrase buried in paragraphs of material, and often I didn’t even know which specific parts were the classified ones. But then those were confidential, which was the lowest security classification.

    • msanthropesmr

      If you worked at Dahlgren, were you there when the email system went down for 2 weeks because of flooding and they lost all teh archived emails? Good times.

      • Jen B_VA

        oooo you worked Dahlgren?

        • msanthropesmr

          Nope. I work with them.
          ETA – If I did work there, I wouldn’t likely be allowed to talk about NMCI and how much it sucked.

          • Jen B_VA

            It has a very nice pool.

          • msanthropesmr

            It does. Also a bowling alley, and before they privatized the mess hall, I liked the food there.

      • SayItWithWookies

        Did not have the privilege, but I knew folks who did work there — it sounded like a very secure and very miserable place to work.

  • Shoto

    The standup-and-walk-around-the-room is a Big Dawg technique.

    • Joe Beese

      Who let the Dawgs out?

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      She looks odd out there alone, ignoring Matt like that. See? There goes Matt. “Hey! Come back here! Wanna interject!” He feels left out.

  • shaar dula

    as is commonly said amongst the soon to be ‘deborted’ middle east folks, and those of us who look like them and hence also likely to be ‘deborted’, ” beoble” really need to develop a ‘bersbective’. and to state the obvious, insha jeebus, the earth will still rotate around the sun and the sun itself will still rise in the east, and the sky will still not fall on us, despite Abble the company’s design decisions.

  • JVisconti

    mistake? yes, I listened to Cheney.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    “I’m in the best possible position to prevent that. Standing awkwardly in this red pantsuit.”

  • TheGrandWaz00
  • Brian

    Lauer better damn well ask Trump about why he supported the Iraq War and not let him lie about it.

    • Jen B_VA

      I would be happier if he asks Trump if he ever pays anyone and how much fruad he has made money off.

    • Sardonicuss

      Yep. I can already tell. This is going to piss me off far too much to actually watch.

    • Joe Beese
  • SayItWithWookies

    How do you stand in front of these Iraq (and other) vets and tell them invading Iraq was a mistake? Have you seen Iraq lately? Or even ten years ago, for that matter?

    • Joe Beese

      Tell them all about all the wonderful things they’re going to accomplish in Syria.

    • Panika MCD

      because their dedication to this country shouldn’t lead to the deaths of thousands of them on false premises?

      • BadKitty904

        And now as I lie here, my body all holes
        I think on those traitors who bargained in souls
        And I wish that my rifle had given the same
        To those Quislings who sold out the patriot game.

        ~ The Patriot Game

  • mancityfooty .

    OT?
    I’m with you in Oregon in spirit.
    This is me at a wedding 6 years ago in the same spirit:

    • Jen B_VA

      fer srs, wonkers are some good lookin peeps.

      • BadKitty904

        (I didn’t even know we were allowed to post pix of ourownselves…)

        • mancityfooty .

          I thought you were?
          *scratches ear*

          • BadKitty904

            Hey, cut that out! *falls over and purrs*

        • msanthropesmr

          You can, but then you risk being “bunk material”/

    • BadKitty904

      Very dapper!

      • mancityfooty .

        not all the time:

        • BadKitty904

          Smokin’!

  • Shoto

    Do we know how the people asking the questions made the cut? How did they get in the room, and how were they picked to ask a question?

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      Paper, rock, scissors, Spock.

  • Recipriversexclusons

    Dear progressive – the world is not a nice place. But here’s your rainbow and unicorn.

    • Joe Beese

      American military power… the cause of and solution to all the world’s problems.

      • Jen B_VA

        Well, not the cause of /all/
        but not the solution to any for darn sure.

      • starfanglednut

        Homer ftw.

    • mancityfooty .

      you’re unicorn’s smart bombs are not as smart as they’re supposed to be

  • cousin itt

    BushCheney are the ones who own Iraq and Obama with Libya. Presidents take action, not cabinet members or senators.

    • Recipriversexclusons

      France and Italy own Libya. However, Obama had a big stake in it.
      Also, STFU Lowr & let her answer. This is NOT an advertisement.

      • Land Shark

        He’s trying …. but that big, fat bribe generous retirement payment ….

    • TJ Barke

      The CIA. They’ve taken plausible deniability to the point that they basically do what they want.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    Fuck every motherfucking fucker in the media who wants to play this “what about yer Eye-rak vote?” game. Yeah, the same ones who were the head motherfucking cheerleaders for the guy who said “If you’re not with us, you’re against us,” and who said jack shit when Daniel Inouye got smeared as a goddamned coward on the Senate floor.

    Uh, with votes.

  • BadKitty904

    Unforgettable in every way,
    And forever more, that’s how you’ll stay…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDN5rG3wLa4

  • Astraea

    I don’t have protest songs but I have Green Day? For my fellow Gen Xers (also too they just announced tour dates for 2016!)

    https://youtu.be/D4ZKlT1EvCA

    • Jen B_VA

      Green day got me fired once. True story

      • anwisok

        Do tell! Please.

        • Jen B_VA

          I even warned you ahead of time that it was a true story.
          Ok so I was a DJ in a very tiny market for a couple years. I invited my friend to guest DJ because /bored/ and also /stoned/ and she had a sexxy radio voice. We played a new band called “Green Day” right out of the wrapper (she had just bought the Cassette because those were still a thing then) and she said cue up #x it is my favorite!
          So I cued up #x and put it on the air and they cussed something (mind you, this was 2 pm on a saturday).
          So there I was, all agape, wondering what my fine would be and scrambling to turn it off. To cover the dead air I went “Wow, great song, thanks!” all sarcastic and she responds “Well, fuck you!”
          on the live air.
          Took em a whole 5 minutes to fire me.

          • Astraea

            Wow, crazy

          • Jen B_VA

            I’ve been fired from many jobs, all for weird stuff. Once I got fired from my volunteer job at the zoo, for what the monkies did to me.
            namely beat me up and stole my lunch money no lie.
            I “spooked” them for doing as I was told and going to clean their habitat. Allegedly.
            On the plus side, I’ve had so many jobs I really do consider myself at least modestly trained in near everything but electrical work and airplane piloting.

          • Land Shark

            Late night transmitter tests: always fun to see if anyone’s listening. Never had my ticket pulled for that, either.

          • Jen B_VA

            I was in line to get a weekday shift. heh.

          • anwisok

            “With friends like these,” am I right? Damn, I would’ve been PISSED!

          • Jen B_VA

            I probably should have been but I was stoned so pretty mellow about it. I just went “yep, I know, thanks anyway, good luck!”

      • Astraea

        Whaaaaaaat?

    • cousin itt

      Tuesday is Soylent Green Day.

  • SayItWithWookies

    “If the Iranians cheat [on the nuclear deal] would you have any course of action besides the military course of action?”
    Geeze, Matt — we didn’t bomb Iran before, and they responded to sanctions. Just because bombing a country seems badass doesn’t mean it’s a useful negotiating tactic.

    • Panika MCD

      if he is as hard on Trumple, this show will be over 5 minutes after he takes the stage.

      • Recipriversexclusons

        Lower will “softball”.

        • Panika MCD

          well, he’d blue ball him, but Trumple knows about as much about balls as he does about swimming.

  • Land Shark

    Needs some social music commentary …

    https://youtu.be/_7VsoxT_FUY

    • Joe Beese

      You know, when I drink alone, I prefer to be by myself.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    Dang Hillz! You look rude, not powerful, when you continually interrupt. Chill out, girlfriend.

    • Joe Beese

      What’s she registering on the Shrill-o-meter?

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        Somewhere between “Stern mom” and “Manager firing you.”

        • Joe Beese

          “Go clean up Syria!”
          “Aw, Mom, I cleaned up Syria last night!”
          “Well, it needs cleaning up again!”

        • cousin itt

          School Principal then?

        • Panika MCD

          she is applying for Commanager-in-Chief and people do want a daddy for that. “stern mom” is a pretty great place to be on that.

          • Jen B_VA

            She should learn to guilt trip.Would get everything she wants if she learns how to guilt trip.

          • Joe Beese

            Mother Beese is available for consultation.

            Reasonable rates.

          • Jen B_VA

            heh my mom was…so very very good at that. She did not even have to speak. Just look at you.
            Manipulative as all get out and I knew what she was doing and STILL could not resist, and I am not really much a wimp, you know?
            Amazing super power. Wish I had it, I can’t get my lads to quit fighting

          • Aquaria

            Please. The last thing I want on my national news every night is my mother.

  • shaar dula

    talking of dance…

    try having as much fun as kangana ranavat in:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZnnjW6Jj1g

    • Joe Beese

      Well, hello, Kangana Ranaut!

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    WTF? Now she wants the DOD to e-mail DD-214s to Benghazi?!?!?!?! Inpeach!

  • SayItWithWookies

    Twenty vet suicides a day — good lord. I think not being used as a pawn and thrown away after they’re done, and only risked in meaningful missions would be a helpful start.

    • cousin itt

      What exactly, did we learn from Vietnam?

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        Not enough. Clearly.

        • cousin itt

          Jack. Shit.

          • Jen B_VA

            Don’t be silly, we learned that embedding journalists without carefully guiding and scripting them lead to people being against war!

          • TJ Barke

            They lost Cronkite…

          • CogitoErgoBibo

            I learned that my parents liked pot a lot during that war. Hippie parents are weird.

          • cousin itt

            They needed it. I was a kid then but the whole fucking thing was so cruel to so many in Vietnam and back home.

          • Joe Beese

            Also: ixnay on the icturespay of the odybagsbay.

      • SayItWithWookies

        You can’t go into a country and kill your way to popular support.

        • Jen B_VA

          no no, he asked what we learned, not what we are still learning.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    Squeeze ISIS until they giggle like the Pillsbury Doughboy!

  • TheGrandWaz00

    I hope Hillary has a plant in the audience that coughs every time Trump tells a lie.

    • Shoto

      They’d be coughing for 30 minutes straight, but yeah, definitely.

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      That would be awesome. Until they were taken out on a stretcher since coughing=death. Obviously.

    • Panika MCD

      and the plant’s name will be Celery Hinton.

      • Jen B_VA

        Kim Taine

  • SayItWithWookies

    Way to go — we let the people who have a local interest in fighting ISIS fight ISIS. American troops just become targets, so why give our potential allies a mutual enemy when the shooting starts? Stay out, help the Kurds, help the Yazidis, help anyone else we can find who’s willing to support our interests.

  • Daisy

    Ugh, doing my best to find a decent live stream. I just got back from Robert Reich.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    “As briefly as you can.” We don’t want to take time away from our sponsors for trivial matters like discussing what considerations could be implicated in the potential deaths of American military personnel.

    • Joe Beese

      Realistic appraisal of audience attention span.

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        If Capt. Hyung(?) can deal with bullets, he can deal with bullet points.

  • anwisok

    How bizarre. She sounds like she’s taken the time to think about these issues and tried to create well-considered policies for them. Even if you disagree with her approach, shouldn’t that be worth something? NAW! Nowhere near as entertaining as, “Bomb the shit out of them and take their oil!”

    • Land Shark

      “Reality Show Politics”

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    I want a camera in the entry to capture the death stares between Clinton and Trump as they switch out. No fair if we miss it!

  • Panika MCD

    Matt Lauer: Joining Team “I’m man TALKING here!”

  • Shoto

    That MSNBC theme music has been working my last nerve for months. Jeezuz, lose that shit, morans!

    • cheetojeebus

      You should hear Fox’s spot for the debates. Sounds just like a fukkin monster truck ad.

  • SayItWithWookies

    It won’t even be necessary to ask Trump anything — he’ll just start in on the blather when we get back from commercials, and he’ll continue unabated for the next 30 minutes. It would be the same blather as an answer to any question anyway.

    • mancityfooty .

      build the wall1!!!1!1

    • Joe Beese

      “I’m going to make our military so big, so powerful, that no one will dare to mess with us.”

      Sounds like a plan!

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        36 battalions of Marines. No. 136 battalions. And gold-plated bayonets.

    • cousin itt

      *readies next batch of popcorn and rum*

      • Recipriversexclusons

        Heavy on the rum, please!

    • Brian

      We gotta be strong, we gotta be tough, we gotta rebuild the horrible piece of shit military we currently have and we have to be willing to nuke everyone!

      • TJ Barke

        We gotta rebuild the military that is still as big as the next 6 militaries combined.

  • SayItWithWookies

    “In Hillary Clinton’s America, taxes go up — spending goes up.” That’s from Trump’s TV ad. And in Trump’s America, taxes go down and spending goes up. Hmmmm.

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      Every time I see that ad, after they tell me what a Trump world would be like, I say “Magic!” Because apparently that’s how it happens.

      • Jen B_VA

        Hillary will be the exactly same as it is only worse.
        Someone, anyone, please explain to me that line. How can something be exactly the same AND worse?

    • Dg Hacket

      Im seeing that add in the extreme northeast New York. Half the audience is in Montreal

  • SayItWithWookies

    Wow — Trump didn’t follow Dubya’s lead and come in wearing a flight suit? Lousy showmanship.

    • Panika MCD

      to be fair, Shrub probably wanted to come out in his cheerleader outfit.

  • anwisok

    OK, time to see how The Donald gets treated.

  • Amy!

    Sheesh. I don’t know how you guys are dancing to this video. I don’t think she can even carry a tune, right?

    *shakes head sadly*

    (I’m out of here; y’all be sweet to one another, hear?)

  • SayItWithWookies

    Wait — Trump is asked to “keep the attacks to a minimum?” Interesting standard.

  • Astraea

    I don’t think I can watch Trump.

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      Drink more. And more. And more. It won’t stop the pain, but it helps.

    • Shoto

      The ridiculous combover, or too much orange?

      • Astraea

        The blathering. I feel my brain cells dying.

      • GHERKINS OF TRUTH!

        YES.

    • TJ Barke

      Yeah, I kinda end up redding out and wake up covered in blood…

  • Recipriversexclusons

    My new York Vietnam

  • Shoto

    “I built a great company…”

    WTF does that have to do with anything?

  • SayItWithWookies

    Can we ask him about Pam Bondi, Matt, instead of leading with an open-ended “what prepares you for running the country?”

    • Jen B_VA

      Hillz gets mcemails, Trump gets “What prepares you for running the country?”
      FOR REAL????

  • TheGrandWaz00

    Building shit and blowing shit up are different things, dickhead.

  • anwisok

    “I have good judgment!” BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    “I have great judgment.” Ummmm…

  • SayItWithWookies

    Trump was against the war in Iraq — from 2005 on.

  • Dg Hacket

    He sounds like Woody Allen

  • cousin itt

    Don’t let Donald to deflect to others!

  • BadKitty904

    So, I gather y’all are watching something…

    • Daisy

      NBC Forum. I missed Hillary, and am stuck watching Fanta Hitler.

      • BadKitty904

        I’d rather gouge my eyes out, thanks.

        • Daisy

          Can’t say I blame you.

    • cousin itt

      Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote.

      • BadKitty904

        Fortunately, our supper is now ready, so I have an excuse…

  • Recipriversexclusons

    SHUT HIM UP LOWER! WHAT RULES?!??!1//111!!!??

  • Brian

    nope, didn’t call him on the Iraq War lie. Jackass.

    • Jen B_VA

      silly head, if the press is mean to Trump he will yank their creds.

  • Daisy

    Okay guys, who taught Trump the word ‘destabilize’? Also, Esquire?

  • Panika MCD

    “I see Russia on my golf course!”

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    “I beat 16 people.” With him, you almost hear “literally” in your brain thoughts.

  • SayItWithWookies

    We’re gonna spend the next 30 minutes watching Matt Lauer try to catch a greased pig. Will Trump answer even one question that’s asked of him? He has great judgment, by the way.

  • cousin itt

    I didn’t call the Mexican president a motherfucker.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    “I solved government over-employment in Mexico! Just by showing up!”

  • anwisok

    “If you look at Mexico, the people that arranged the invitation have been forced out of government. That’s how successful we were.” THAT’S his standard for success with a friendly nation?

    • Astraea

      The fuck was that?

    • Jen B_VA

      It will be so good to know that a president Trump will be invited absolutely no where.

    • Panika MCD

      why no follow up there, MATT?

  • Recipriversexclusons

    way to to control the conversation, Lower!

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    Poor Generals.

    • GHERKINS OF TRUTH!

      Trump’s got poor genitals (if the statue is to be believed)

  • Panika MCD

    PATTON! DRINK!!!!!!

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    Wow. Hillz was Secretary of State for 30 years. Trump math!

    • Jen B_VA

      Time machine

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        Borrowed from Melanoma when she wrote that FLOTUS speech for her.

      • Shoto

        I thought that time machine contraption was classified? Is it in the new i-phone, or something?

        • Jen B_VA

          Obamaiphone

        • CogitoErgoBibo

          But with no earbud holes.

  • Shoto

    The question was: What will you do, ferret head?

  • Daisy

    Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    Moar colonization! Works great. Ask the Brits.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Ah yes — “ISIS was formed” when President Obama got our troops out of Iraq. Minus ten years or so.

  • anwisok

    “Take the oil.” How do we do that?

  • TJ Barke

    Jesus Christ on a cracker. If this blathering disingenuous conman fuckwit manages to get elected I will have entirely lost faith in America.

    • mancityfooty .

      go on, tell us how you really feel

  • Daisy

    How the fuck do you take the oil!?

    • Jen B_VA

      By killing all the people who live near it of course

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      Really big Shamwow?

      • GHERKINS OF TRUTH!

        Is that what his hair is??

  • cousin itt

    Take the oil. Drink!

  • Brian

    Trump’s answer, “I don’t have a plan, but neither does anyone else.”

  • Recipriversexclusons

    I wasn’t going to “adult beverage” this eve. So much for that…

  • Astraea

    How the fuck do you take oil reserves?

    • cousin itt

      Lawsuit?

      • Land Shark

        And Trump has the lawsuit record to prove he can sue ’em!

    • JVisconti

      lotsa oil cans in your Prius trunk?

  • Daisy

    Who the fuck doesn’t know about Iraq’s oil? People who live under rocks? Ones that aren’t shale!?

    • mancityfooty .

      my first ex was half Iraqi on her dad’s side. I made $2000 typing up a paper for him on where to find the oil in Iraq. He was a geologist specialized in finding oil.
      this was during 2003

      • Jen B_VA

        Did you type
        “It’s under the ground.”
        ?
        Because even if you did not I am going to pretend that is what you typed.

        • mancityfooty .

          no, different types of rocks prove the oil underneath
          oh, I see the joke
          2 weeks of 3 hours a night laughs and laughs

  • SayItWithWookies

    “It used to be to the victor belong the spoils.” Dumbass, you can’t take ALL the oil out of Iraq. And while you were in the middle of doing it, our troops would be getting bombed and shot. Ignorance is not a recipe for winning a war.

    • Jen B_VA

      Did…did he actually say that?

      • SayItWithWookies

        Yes — in fact he elaborated on it. He said if we had “taken all the oil” when we had the opportunity, ISIS wouldn’t exist because they wouldn’t have been able to fund themselves.

        Leaving out the small problem that if we had taken Iraq’s oil as spoils of war, we’d have had every Iraqi hating our guts instead of just the vast majority. We’d also be committing a war crime, but tough guys eat that shit up, so it’s not a valid argument.

  • cousin itt

    I am not Richard Nixon.

  • Brian

    okay, that was a good question.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    “I have a seeeeecret plan. SHHHHHH.” Whut?

  • Apple Scruff

    His plan is the ask the generals. But he has a plan too. Because AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! etc etc

    • Jen B_VA

      Thought he said he knew more than the generals?

  • Panika MCD

    WHAT?! “no one knows that Iraq has oil, but Trumple! we will take the oil on the way out because THAT’S EASY! and it’s not like all those US companies got no-bid contracts for the oil that we didn’t take just on the way out. like, hey, we gotta be outta here in 5, give us all your oil!”

  • SayItWithWookies

    “Eighty-eight generals…have endorsed me.” and most of them weren’t dishonorably discharged.

    • Jen B_VA

      most of em are admirals, not generals.

  • cousin itt

    YOU DON’T HAVE A FUCKING PLAN, DO YOU?

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      It’s so secret even he doesn’t know it.

    • Land Shark

      “I haz a plane. Is dat gud enuf?”

  • Apple Scruff

    Trump — 80 generals are on my side.
    Lauer — But Hillary has more generals on hers.
    Trump — Numbers don’t matter.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    I have a plan. I might not agree with it. I might win. I might not like The Generals’ plan. We might add their plan to my plan. I’ll get some new generals, too. Some of the one’s we have are losers. Obama should have listened to them. I will. Or won’t. We’ll see.

  • Panika MCD

    “what are numbers anyway?”

  • anwisok

    Lauer is actually pressing him pretty hard. Trump is doing some great evasive maneuvers, but Matt’s making it obvious that he’s not answering, I think.

  • Recipriversexclusons

    There it is again, “88”. All HAIL HERR DRUMPF!

  • SayItWithWookies

    “I have great respect for the people who gave us those briefings.” Just not those stupid generals who command them.

  • Astraea

    How do people listen to this and think “Yeah, he makes a lot of sense.”

    • Jen B_VA

      He speaks to the truth, Astraea, he says what he means, except when he meant something out and anyway you are twisting things by directly quoting him

    • TJ Barke

      Lead exposure?

    • Shoto

      Clinical insanity and generations of in-breeding?

    • mancityfooty .

      “I hate to advocate drugs or liquor, violence, insanity to anyone. But in my case it’s worked.”
      Bill Murray, where the buffalo roam

    • Land Shark

      Pillbillies?

  • Panika MCD

    “I’m pretty good at reading the bodies!”

  • cousin itt

    But if you are willing to die for me, you can stay in the USA.

    • Brian

      by that logic, if you’re willing to sacrifice by hiring thousands of people you should also be allowed to stay in the country.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Trump won’t deport undocumented veterans? Ann Coulter dies a little.

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      Only a little? Phooey.

    • Jen B_VA

      I am almost very sure that the undocumented cannot join the military…can they?

      • mancityfooty .

        dreamers can be cannon fodder

        • Jen B_VA

          Jesus fuck. I had no idea.
          Not surprised mind you, in retrospect.

          • mancityfooty .

            that’s one of their paths to citizenship

      • Saxo the Grammarian

        It’s been done. IIRC, the very first American casualty of the Iraq war was an undocumented immigrant.

      • msanthropesmr

        THey most certainly can. ANd the house refused to vote on a prohibition.

      • Aquaria

        Foreign nationals can indeed join the US military.

    • mancityfooty .

      please?

    • GHERKINS OF TRUTH!

      Pffft. What’s a little more dead inside, anyway?

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    “The military is a very special thing. When an undocumented person loves his country very, very much…”

  • Daisy

    I’m sorry, he doesn’t know who he’s voting for yet!?

    • Jen B_VA

      wait…what?

      • Daisy

        Dude asked question about Russia, doesn’t know which candidate he supports.

        • Jen B_VA

          Just to be sure, the dude who asked does not know, not Trump, right?

          • Daisy

            Yes, dude who asked doesn’t know. Trump, if he ever voted, probably wrote his own name in each time.

  • SayItWithWookies

    How would Trump de-escalate tensions with Russia? Shit, he’d crawl into Vladimir Putin’s lap and purr like a kitten.

    • Daisy

      If I had been drinking something, you’d owe me a new keyboard.

    • Shoto

      The question should have said, “Since you owe Russian kleptocrats a shit-ton of cash, how does that compromise any such de-escalation?”

    • Land Shark

      The Hair Ferret would get jealous.

    • Panika MCD

      “no lap-time until you clean bear skins, tan tiger hide and oil the Pooty-Pooh!”

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    No red carpet on the stairs! Won’t happen on *my* watch!

    • Astraea

      The carpets for me will be the reddest. Believe me.

      • Please Vagenda Bozilingus

        As will the battlefields. :-(

  • Land Shark
  • Recipriversexclusons

    I owe Putin money! If he wants payment, he’ll listen!

  • JVisconti

    the fix = add escalators to Air Force One?

  • TheGrandWaz00

    Blowhard
    Blowhard 2
    Blowhard With a Vengeance
    Live Free or Blowhard
    A Good Day to Blowhard

  • SayItWithWookies

    “Russia wants to defeat ISIS as badly as we do.” IV of bourbon for the house!

  • cousin itt

    If we had a relationship with Russia, we could all lick Putin’s dick.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    Someone said less than ten feet! Shit. That’s dangerous.

    • Brian

      it doesn’t count unless it’s many people.

  • Astraea

    How would you establish good relations with other country? DEMAND THEY BOW TO ME!
    http://orig13.deviantart.net/0d17/f/2012/159/2/6/loki_i_said_kneel_by_elephantlover97-d52rfxj.gif

    • Land Shark
      • Shanocide

        IMO this is better than the electro-Trump meme thing where he’s shocked in perpetuity for mocking the NYT reporter.

  • anwisok

    Damn, Matt! That’s how you press him!

    • Jen B_VA

      Sarcasm or not? CANT TELL ANYMORE

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    “If Satan himself were telling me I’m brilliant, I’d take the compliment.”

    • Panika MCD

      unfortunately, Ailes refers to him as “my orange slave”.

      • Jen B_VA

        Putin just calls him Tabbyka

    • TJ Barke

      Despite the obvious sarcasm.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Keep going on your “America sucks” tirade, Trump — I can feel the voters changing their minds as you speak.

  • Daisy

    “I think I’d take the compliment.” THE FUCK!?

  • Daisy

    STOP WITH THE FUCKING EMAILS!

  • cousin itt

    Bbbbbbbbbbut Hillary! Obama!

  • Apple Scruff

    I guess a broken clock is right twice a day eh?https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/773682755616014340

    • Jen B_VA

      Shut up chuck.
      If the fucking fact the guy is a con man who has actually crimed and defrauded people, lots of people, and that is not an “issue” this won’t be neither.

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    “CrookedHillary’s EMAAAIIIILLLLSSSS is why I should be preznit.”

  • SayItWithWookies

    Heh — vet asks Trump for a plan to fix the VA. Trump doesn’t, of course, answer the question.

  • ThePuckStopsHere

    Lauer is just going to let Trump get away with his bullshit, I see. Not calling him on his lie that he was always against the Iraq war, no mention of the Status of Forces agreement, etc. Fuck him.

    • Recipriversexclusons

      yup, deflect – deflect – deflect

    • anwisok

      I disagree. He isn’t calling him out on every thing, but he is calling him out on a good bit of it.

    • Shoto

      That’s what disturbs me about the upcoming “debates.” Letting this fucker get away with tap-dancing, lying, straying off-topic, etc., and then not asking follow-up questions.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    Oh noz! Plans? You want him to have plans? Have you been listening to this guy?

    Example: Waiting times are a problem. NOT a plan.

  • anwisok

    We don’t want to hear how you poll with vets – WHAT IS YOUR PLAN, DUMBFUCK???!?!?!?

  • TheGrandWaz00

    Yes, we have a divided country. You won’t fix that Trump.

  • cousin itt

    Putin has the biggest polls.

    • Astraea

      Trump knows. Believe him.

  • JVisconti

    Donald’s VA plan is to go see Dr Bornstein.

    • Panika MCD

      he’ll write them letters saying that they are in the best health he’s ever seen and then they CAN’T DIE!

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      Better than Dr. Ablow, I guess.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    So, Obamacare for vets? Basically?

    • anwisok

      Nope. They get single payer.

      • Land Shark

        From sitting on Putin’s lap, natch.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Trump says vets will be able to go to private doctors — like the law Obama and Congress passed a couple years ago allows them to do. Brilliant plan.

  • Panika MCD

    “we’ll just have the doctors hand out bandaids and aspirin to decrease wait times.”

    • Recipriversexclusons

      And the female vets can hold the aspirin between their knees!

      • Panika MCD

        Rick Santorum for Secretary of Defensistan.

  • Daisy

    MATT FUCKING LAUER CALLED HIM OUT, WHAT THE FUCK!?

    • Jen B_VA

      bout fucking time

    • Apple Scruff

      More than once, and you can feel the eye rolls even if you can’t see them.

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    Hey, Dumb Don…

    I waited three weeks to see my doctor about a hip problem. Now I’m waiting more than a week and counting for an MRI. That’s life for folks whose address isn’t Trump Tower. Also too, fuck you.

  • Well, Trump certainly isn’t answering any fucking questions… And he REALLY wants Putin’s cock in him…

  • Shoto

    How to stop vets from killing themselves? “Two nights at Mar-a-Lago, and a complimentary 9 holes on one of my spectacular golf courses…”

  • Daisy

    “It’s 22 actually.” God, I want to smack him, with a brick of votes.

    • cousin itt

      Like he knows diddly fuck about fuck.

  • anwisok

    “The VA is a corrupt institution.” WT actual Fuck?

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      Yeah, that miiiiight just be a tad of an overstatement. I’m sure no one will notice.

      • Jen B_VA

        If they do, he will double down and BAM next deadblightfart meme

      • anwisok

        I have a feeling the analysis is gonna be . . .not good for him. They’ll HAVE TO contrast the two of them, and he does not compare well.

  • Please Vagenda Bozilingus

    Posting for my pleasure. The first part is for Donald…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dATyZBEeDJ4

  • TJ Barke

    SHUT THE FUCK UP, DONNIE, YOU’RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT!

    • mancityfooty .

      upfists aren’t enough

    • Land Shark

      He’s in so far over his head, the Hair Ferret is drowning.

    • Shoto

      He’s woefully out of his depth, and hacks like Lauer, Todd, Tweety Hardball, etc. refuse to acknowledge that demonstrable fact…at least not to any reasonable degree.

  • SayItWithWookies

    What’s Trump going to do about sexual assault in the military? He’s gonna put Roger Ailes on the case.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    WHOA. DAMN. Women in the military BURN! Way to go digging up that tweet.

  • Apple Scruff

    HOLY SHIT. Matt is on his game. HERE’S YOUR FUCKING TWEET, DONALD!

    • Land Shark

      Lauer is actually pretty good at this.

      • Jen B_VA

        So….it will be the last time Trump allows him to talk to him, and MSNBC will have their creds yanked tomorrow?

        • Land Shark

          The Kindertrumps are already revoking them as we type.

        • anwisok

          Would not be surprised. Lauer is NOT playing nice.

          • Jen B_VA

            good.

    • Jen B_VA

      you guys need to quote more cause I haz no cable and my wifi is near its monthly limit XD

      • Suse

        Same old shit he’s been spewing forever.

        • Jen B_VA

          Oh. Well nm then

          • Suse

            No specifics at all.

      • Apple Scruff

        It was about sexual assault in the military.

  • Suse

    Well, it IS a correct tweet! What a fucking moron!Grrr….

  • Brian

    he hasn’t said one thing yet that would qualify as a plan

    • Suse

      Nope!

  • Panika MCD

    let’s segregate everyone that’ll solve all the problems. women can go live in Ladystan.

    • Suse

      Can we call it Electric Ladyland?

      • Panika MCD

        we can. he’s still going to call it Lady’s Tan.

  • SayItWithWookies

    “What do they expect when they put men and women together?” Oh, so segregation is the answer — and I thought Phyllis Schlafly was dead.

    • Jen B_VA

      Did he say that?????

      • Suse

        Yup!

        • Jen B_VA

          Holy hell. Well, that will be a fun thing tomorrow.

          • Land Shark

            Let’s hope it’s replayed on every, single web site out there.

    • Daisy

      Perhaps that men could behave decently, Donald? Maybe that?

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      Phillies Schlafly. You know. That lovable mascot for women in the kitchen.

    • ltmcdies

      GOPer men always blow the old rapey questions, don’t they.

      although not usually the one they nominate for president

    • ltmcdies

      do you think Reince is blowing into a paper by now

      • SayItWithWookies

        Blowing a paperboy? That’s soo 1980s. So probably.

  • JVisconti

    if he can’t spin Hilz or Bamz as an answer, his lower lip quivers.

  • Apple Scruff

    What are you reading, Donald? “All of them, Matt.”

  • cousin itt

    Homework Donnie!

    Burns so good.

  • Shoto

    The question was: What are you reading? Press him, Lauer, you dipshit.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    He’s reading generals and admirals? Even Palin read actual periodicals. AOTK.

    • Astraea

      He’ll eat their brains and absorb their knowledge.

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        LOL It’s Cheney: Part II.

      • Saxo the Grammarian

        Nah, it passes right through like Taco Bell after a night of drinking.

  • Recipriversexclusons

    “88” again. mien drumpf

  • Matt Lauer IS calling him on some of the bullshit Trump is saying, but Christ, this man is stupid and vague and just FUCKING STUPID!

    • Shoto

      You should also note that he’s stupid.

    • Land Shark

      “You said stupid twice.” “I like stupid.”

  • Astraea

    He seriously has his list of 88 with him like a security blanket?

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      You don’t carry around a list of people who like you?

      • cousin itt

        Donald has binders of generals.

      • Joe Beese

        There are few enough that I have them memorized.

  • I Only Like Cats

    Do your comments mean I should watch the Q&A or work like a good adult?

  • Apple Scruff

    Lol. “What are reading and studying, Donald?” “My list of pro-Trump generals”.

    • Suse

      Like the evil Flynn. Great!

    • Panika MCD

      he reads their body language! he’s VERY GOOD at that!

      • ThePuckStopsHere

        He saw their souls when he looked in their eyes.

  • SayItWithWookies

    General Flynn — and other crackpots who’ve lost their grip on reality.

  • Shoto

    “Great management talents.” Pfffftttt….

  • cousin itt

    Are you ready on Day One?

    Hillary.

    Dickweed Donald.

  • Recipriversexclusons

    Again, France and Italy were supposed to do follow-up!

  • TheGrandWaz00

    He’s all hindsight and no foresight.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Oh of course — Donald Trump is a long-established military historian. Honestly asshole, just because you have an uninformed opinion about practically fucking everything doesn’t make you an expert.

    • Daisy

      The sushi I had for dinner has a more informed opinion.

    • Panika MCD

      uninformed assholes get asked these questions all the time.

  • “What would you do about vet suicide?” “We’re going to do good things, Hillary sucks!”

  • Shoto

    “Make Murrica Orange Again!”

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    Make America Great Again! Produced in China.

  • Apple Scruff

    Make America great again. Make America strong again. The guy knows nothing beyond buzzwords and memes.

    • Suse

      Hillz has a “happy trigger”! Does Huma know?

    • Daisy

      He *is* a meme.

      • Jen B_VA

        a lame one that you roll your eyes on and go back to cat pics

  • cousin itt

    I think I’m falling in love with Matt.

    Could be the popcorn and rum.

  • anwisok

    Now they dissect it. Dis gonna be GOOD! Is Rachel, by chance, on on MSNBC?

    • SayItWithWookies

      They better make it quick — they have like two minutes left.

      • anwisok

        You KNOW the next 2 hours is gonna be talking about it!

  • SayItWithWookies

    “We’ll have much more from the intrepid carrier…” Wait, Matt — is Typhoid Mary in the house?

    • Suse

      Good one!

  • TheGrandWaz00

    Breitbart–Trump Wins!

    • TJ Barke

      I didn’t see that coming…

  • Suse

    Was Hillz on before Stupid Face? If so, I missed it.

    • SayItWithWookies

      They flipped a coin, and she went first.

      • Suse

        Did she rock? Did she cough?

        • anwisok

          SO HARD! m/ m/

        • Astraea

          She infected everyone with benghazi virus

          • Suse

            Damn her!

      • ltmcdies

        and then she got to kick back with popcorn and watch….

    • anwisok

      She was.

  • This is like when I had to do an oral report (phrasing) in High School and didn’t start working on it until an hour before it was due. This guy is just unprepared, and REALLY dumb.

  • Mpeg

    No offense to who is probably a great singer – – but “Sheryl Lee Ralph” just sounds to me like Laura Palmer throwing up~

    • mancityfooty .

      dead woman libelz!

  • anwisok

    YES!!! Rachel is doing followup!

    • Astraea

      Oh thank god.

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        It’s like a palate cleanser for the soul.

        • Recipriversexclusons

          Be great if we could get some Joy Reid with Rachel.

  • Brian

    what did a former Jeb Bush policy adviser think?

    https://twitter.com/noonanjo/status/773682840928129024

    • Jen B_VA

      lolz

  • JVisconti

    Maybe we’d be great again with better uniforms.

    • Jen B_VA

      I always felt the jungle green and desert army were so blaaahhh. We should have purple uniforms, with gold sequins.

      • anwisok

        Black, with silver insignia and accents.

  • “Terrible interviewer, asked me questions I wasn’t prepared for, sad, low energy” @RealDonaldTrump

  • CogitoErgoBibo
  • Brian

    Rachel is correct, The Intrepid is a great place to visit.

  • Vodka is a food group

    I ditched the bitch (apple) and made the switch (android)…….

    To all u apple ho’s (said with love)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NWjehpGSO0

    • mancityfooty .

      my first.
      a video on Mtv.
      and I got to see them live once.
      *sighs*

      • Shanocide

        Not watching, just waving hello and hoping you’re doing okay

        • mancityfooty .

          watch, it’s a great song, one of my all time favorites.
          Can I say it enough?
          No.
          Thank you.

  • Astraea
    • Jen B_VA

      what was a correct tweet?

      • Astraea

        The one about rape in the military.

        • Jen B_VA

          darn. I just bought this keyboard.

      • ThePuckStopsHere

        Essentially: If you put men and women together, what do you expect?

  • Shoto

    Andrew Bacevich is heavy-duty. Glad he’s on the panel.

  • anwisok

    Holy shit. The panel she has to critique them. 0.0

  • Daisy

    My roommate, watching the ‘highlights’: “I’m not even paying full attention, and I can tell he’s lying!”

    • Shanocide

      Keep that roomie.

    • That’s a good roomie!

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    “The generals have been reduced to rubble.”

    You think that’s rubble? You should see what Berlin looked like after the Red Army got through with it.

    Also too, WTActualF???

  • Alexander Stallwitz

    Dear Apple , To quote my favorite movie from 2015, MEDICORE!

  • Recipriversexclusons

    Okay, I’m seeing an un-informed person speak right now….

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      He’s just angry about his issue. I sympathize, even if he’s off-topic.

      • Recipriversexclusons

        He thinks the U.S. secretly sent $400 billion to Iran. That’s completely out of the realm of reality.

        • CogitoErgoBibo

          I missed that part. Gotcha. Definitely all wrong about that.

        • Jen B_VA

          Wasn’t that a george cloony movie and or an episode of Leverage?

      • Astraea

        A lot of people can care very passionately about their issues without throwing another vulnerable group under the bus.

        • CogitoErgoBibo

          True.

          • Jen B_VA

            That only works for libtards, though.

    • Suse

      He’s been on Rachel’s show many times.

      • Recipriversexclusons

        I was referring to the unknown “republican”.

        • Suse

          Oh, sorry. That’s what I get for watching, typing, and cooking at the same time.

          • Recipriversexclusons

            No worries, I count on the non-comments to keep me up on what I miss.

  • Suse

    I came in on Drumpf talking about Putin as if they were best pals. Unfuckingbelievable!

    • Shoto

      To be fair, Putin is one of Drumpf’s primary bankers. Drumpf doesn’t want to piss him off and risk that Putin might cut off the financing of his shitty company.

      Gee, Matt: Think you might have asked Drumpf about dealing with Putin, given that Drumpf owes Putin’s cronies many $Millions? Think that might be a conflict of interest?

      • Suse

        Agreed. Matt should have pushed him on that. I grew up in the era when communism was the greatest threat and you never spoke of it, lest you be suspected of being a commie and investigated by the FBI. It just seems weird to me that his base and his cronies don’t give a shit about the threat of Putin rebuilding a Soviet Union.

  • ThePuckStopsHere

    OK, now we get a half an hour of Maddow talking about how great NBC was in terms of presentation, etc. Waste o’ time, Rachael. Go back to doing what you are good at. Sucking corporate tit isn’t it.

    • Astraea

      Yeah not thrilled that the guy’s response is just marketing the event.

      • ThePuckStopsHere

        I much preferred the old “tear ’em a new one” Maddow.

      • Brian

        but it is an important point. it was a huge accomplishment to get this event scheduled and have vets paid attention to. you can spend 5 minutes on that.

    • Brian

      well, she’s only been on for 14 minutes and they’ve done quite a bit real discussion already. So, could be you’re exaggerating.

  • anwisok

    Seems appropriate anytime Trump speaks, doesn’t it?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s5zcXccNMY

  • Recipriversexclusons

    Why are talking heads taking questions that could have been put to the candidates?

  • ThePuckStopsHere

    Not a single question about nuclear weapons in the hour. ‘Nuff said.

    • Recipriversexclusons

      That would have sealed despot donnie’s fate and the hor$e ra$e would be over.

      • ThePuckStopsHere

        What am I thinking? Not a very important topic at all.

  • Sardonicuss

    Shame about the country…Pity. I had such High Hopes.
    https://youtu.be/P5cYaksM_EM

  • Apple Scruff

    Has Drumpf Tweeted yet that he won the forum?

    • Jen B_VA

      Breitbart did it for him

      • TJ Barke

        No bias there, no sir…

        • Jen B_VA

          I really do not get that.
          Allll the “liberal media” gets smacked when they are mean to trump and nice to hillary (aka, do not go for her jugular) and yet…..the perpetual blow job at Breitbart is ok and they are news?

  • Soooo…i was out to dinner with my friends. Did I miss something?

    • Jen B_VA

      Cute pics of DR over on the drinky thing thread ^^

      • TJ Barke

        What drinky thing thread?

        • Recipriversexclusons

          HA HA PORTLAND

      • anwisok

        Uh, excuse me? If you don’t mind? Where the fuck IS the drinky thing thread?

        • Jen B_VA

          http://wonkette.com/606307/haha-portland-we-tricked-you-we-are-crashing-wednesdays-drinky-thing
          HERE
          DRINKY THING THREAD. Now with Pics of fine looking wonkers, cute pups AND her highness supreme, Donna Rose
          I won’t spoil her outfit for you

          • TJ Barke

            Lazy bastards couldn’t even start a new thread for it…

          • Jen B_VA

            Well, course not. It was already there.
            They also too did not do a live stream forum thread I think because they are all D-R-u-n-k stoned.

          • ***drops evertything and runs to check thread***

          • anwisok

            Woulda been nice if someone said something, like, 3 hours ago! Thanks, Hillary!

          • Land Shark

            I blame Obama.

    • Vagenda Woods

      So, you survived the rainstorm?

      • Yeah…it was JUST ending as we were coming out of Yorkdale…we made a run for the car. Shoes are a little damp, but i was wearing different ones tomorrow anyways

        • Vagenda Woods

          We of course got nothing down here. Dammit I will have to water my pots tomorrow.

          • Sorry! I am hoping to not have to line up in the rain tomorrow. First venue lines up down Younge St and there is zero cover

          • Vagenda Woods

            Are you going to the Elgin Theatre? I worked there as a popcorn girl back in the mists of time.

          • Yes! That is one of the main venues for the fest! (Visa sponsors the Elgin every year and it’s called The Visa Screening Room on my schedule) The Winter Garden also! They still have popcorn kids!

          • Vagenda Woods

            When I worked there we showed stuff like Ilsa She-Wolf of the SS, Mama Kung Fu, and Motel Hell. I once flirted with the assistant manager to take us up the many flights of stairs to the Winter Garden, years before its renovation. Very cool. Last time I was there was for a Gore Vidal evening- lovely.

  • Shoto

    This “Forum” is turning out to be a billboard for the sponsors, and not too much else.

  • anwisok

    Also too reminiscent of The Donald.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldsJ0laYn6s

  • Brian
  • ThePuckStopsHere

    Ah, here’s the guy who ran the military side of the Coalition Provisional Authority. Now there’s an organization that did a hell of a job, Brownie.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    I couldn’t watch but just caught a clip of Cheeto Benito saying he opposed the invasion because he “sensed it would destabilize the region.” Fuck you did, asshat. You don’t even know what the fuck any of those words mean, including “the” and “it.”

    • Jen B_VA

      Didn’t he actually say something like it would be good for his business?

    • Sardonicuss

      So, I didn’t watch it either. Did any of the brave press corp leap up and point out that: “Yes you did support the war at the beggining Donald. We have it on tape!”

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        Don’t be silly. It’s not their “job” to do “news.” It’s their “job” to look pretty on teevee.

      • Apple Scruff

        Hillary was on first and said just that — Trump supported the war, it is on the record, he said it on Howard Stern. And YET! 30 minutes later when Trump said he didn’t support it, Matt Lauer didn’t challenge him.

        • Blackest Noobs

          Lauer is a tool. like im sure he probably supports Clinton, but he’s such a tool. just pick a random day and watch the Today show…im sure you’ll catch a scene where Matt creates the kind of tension you can cut with a knife…a Byran Adams “cut like a knife” knife ( not really, just wanted to make that reference and perhaps song bomb some of you bwhahahahahahahaha).

          though sometimes the rest of them bust on his precious balls.

          and Tamron shouldve hosted this…she been cleaning up on her MSNBC show and AND she’s friends ( well Trump doesn’t have friends but does take her calls, personal not professional kind) enough to have Trump’s phone number.

          • the Vagenda Manologues

            I kind of assume he’s team Trump, just because he’s apparently great and good friends with Jeff Zucker (the guy who rode Celebrity Apprentice to the top of NBCU and then CNN).

          • Apple Scruff

            Tamron was also close with Prince. She has my vote!

      • the Vagenda Manologues

        No, despite the fact that she not only told Lauer he would lie about it, she cited evidence that he was lying.

    • DainBramage

      Hindsight is 20 / 20.

  • Apple Scruff

    OH NO HE DID NOT COMPARE TRUMP TO LINCOLN.

    • Jen B_VA

      they always go the Lincoln, right before the Reagan.
      That is all they got.

      • Brian

        sometimes Teddy Roosevelt or Eisenhower.

        • Yeah..TR is way too progressive for today’s rethugs

          • Jen B_VA

            Perzactly. They NEVER go Teddy or Eisenhower or they run the risk of reminding people that Republicans are responsible for both fed parks AND highway tolls.

          • Brian

            ahem, Trump went to Ike on Operation Wetback.

          • Jen B_VA

            Did he actually invoke Ike though, or just the program?

          • Brian

            “Let me just tell you that Dwight Eisenhower, good president, great president, people liked him. ‘I like Ike,’ right?” Trump said in the Nov. 10 debate hosted by Fox Business Network. “Moved 1.5 million illegal immigrants out of this country, moved them just beyond the border.”

          • Jen B_VA

            Dang, he jumped off script XD
            Time for an ad mentioning, repeatedly, that Ike was responsible for huge tax increases and public roadways. Remind the base of that.

          • Aquaria

            And over half of those sent out of the country were American citizens.

          • Brian

            so was Lincoln. But it let’s them say, “we don’t want to destroy the national parks, a Republican created the national parks!”

          • Jen B_VA

            Except their base really does want to get rid of the national parks and “return the land” to the people, aka, a few land barons who have all the mineral, water and land rights.
            Which is why Teddy does not get invoked unless it is about kicking ass in some war.

          • Brian

            Really? You’re saying the people who claim to be the heroes of the the Civil Rights Act by going against the Democratic KKK, while passing voter ID laws, can’t claim to be for national parks and against national parks at the same time?

          • Jen B_VA

            They seem to avoid it at all costs is all I am saying.
            I figure it is precisely because their base was told it would benefit them for the parks program to come to an end.

      • Panika MCD

        can’t compare him to Reagan, Trumple-Reagan comparisons always have a way of reminding people of dementia.

  • ThePuckStopsHere

    It’s fun watching Curtis fucking Lemay over there in the glasses trying to explain what Trump said. “It’s almost like Abraham Lincoln…” Yeah, sure it is. You’re EXACTLY right. Maddow is picking up her game which is welcome.

  • TheGrandWaz00

    I guess that guy doesn’t understand the world has changed since the Civil War.

  • Recipriversexclusons

    Gen John Douglass reads the riot act!

    • Suse

      Cheers to him!

  • Brian

    Lincoln settled on Meade? Too bad be didn’t go to Grant and win the war.

    Trump’s military advisers are as dumb as him.

    • Suse

      And as fascist.

    • Msgr_Pheasant_Plucker’s_Son

      Lincoln should have left someone behind in Dixie to take the cotton.

      • Brian

        The Massachusetts 54th, perhaps?

  • Recipriversexclusons

    Gen. Kellogg appears to be living in a cereal box.

    • Jen B_VA

      Corn Flakes?

      • CogitoErgoBibo

        Fruit Loops.

        • Recipriversexclusons

          You win the innerwebs, call Lori for the prize!

          • CogitoErgoBibo

            Awww. Canned clams! Thanks!

          • Recipriversexclusons

            Follow your nose!

          • anwisok

            YOU MONSTER!!!

          • CogitoErgoBibo

            But, but…the recipe called for them! Stupid mommyblog. Can’t even trust the recipes…

        • Apple Scruff

          He’s cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

      • ThePuckStopsHere

        Looking at them, it’s a bran-based product I would guess.

  • Shoto

    “You leave the military with the head trauma you have.”

    — Donald Rumsfeld

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    Shallow observation: Hallie looks good in green. She also looks good not trapped in a 2 foot square area in front of Trump Tower. Freedom becomes her.

  • Msgr_Pheasant_Plucker’s_Son

  • Callyson

    From the NYT’s live coverage:

    Adam Nagourney
    Los Angeles Bureau Chief
    The email! Didn’t take long to get off national security!

    Alan Rappeport
    “It was a mistake to have a personal account,” Clinton says. “It was something that should not have been done.”

    Maggie Haberman
    So much for the vets.

    Indeed :-(

    • Jen B_VA

      what even?

  • ThePuckStopsHere

    I liked how the reporter working the audience would identify the questioner by rank, experience and party affiliation and would then ask the person, “Do you have a question?” I like to think I would have had the presence of mind to reply, “Uh, no. No I don’t.”

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      That’s intrepid MSNBC Road Warrior Hallie Jackson. She’s really funny and a great follow on Twitter.

  • Pickle Truther (AntiDerpomeme)

    I should have gone to bed long ago, but I’m enjoying you guys’ comments too much. Thanks for recapping. Sounds like Lauer was awful: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/this-forum-is-a-joke-matt-lauer-ripped-online-for-palpable-offensive-treatment-of-clinton/

    • Jen B_VA

      not awful, but he was careful to make sure his credentials did not get cancelled by the Trump Train.

    • ThePuckStopsHere

      He should go back to doing fashion-forward segments on the goddamn “Today” show.

    • anwisok

      I wouldn’t go that far. Trump was slippery as hell. Matt pushed him pretty damn hard a bunch of times, but if he tried to pin him down on EVERYTHING, they would never have gotten past the second question If that.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Ever the problem with Trump. The incessant barrage of lies makes it harder to zero in on any specific one. What a fucking strategy.

        • Land Shark

          I can’t remember who said:
          “If you can’t blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”

    • Apple Scruff

      A couple times he was ON IT. Other times, less so. It’s like, he was afraid to push too hard even though he could have. And that’s the entire problem with the media right now. They’re afraid of getting their access to Trump revoked.

      • Land Shark

        Who needs access? The Cheeto Dumbass broadcasts his dumb bullshit 24/7! Just copy & paste his twatter feed.

        • Apple Scruff

          God forbid he doesn’t call in to the Today Show because Lauer hurt his feelings!

          I think it was the 538 podcast this week where they were discussing the media this election and Nate Silver is incredibly honest and he was talking about this very issue — they’re soft on Trump because otherwise, he will blacklist them. He said when 538 was part of the NY Times in 2012, they got into big fights because the polls showed Romney losing which was viewed as negative coverage. And then Romney’s camp threatened to deny access. I think it’s part of the reason why 538 has since gone independent.

          • Jen B_VA

            As he should

    • Callyson

      So Matt Lauer spends forever on emails but tells Clinton to speed it up on #ISIS?
      Are you serious?
      #NBCNewsForum

      — Victoria Brownworth (@VABVOX) September 8, 2016

      THIS!

  • Callyson

    Adam Nagourney
    Los Angeles Bureau Chief

    8:11 PM
    Not sure this is remotely living up to what this forum was billed as. There will probably be Matt Lauer stories tomorrow.

    As well there should be FFS.

    • CogitoErgoBibo

      He had his moments. Matt slapping down the Donald tweet basically saying that rape in the military was a logical result of women and men being allowed to serve together, for example. That was pretty epic. It wasn’t all bad.

      • Callyson

        Yeah, there’s that, but generally I wasn’t impressed. Wish Rachel had run this thing instead.

        • CogitoErgoBibo

          Now THAT is one thing upon which we can agree!

    • Recipriversexclusons

      Really have to wonder how it would have been if Joy Reid ran the interview.

      • Apple Scruff

        Trump wouldn’t have shown up. A woman! Who is Black! NEVER!

  • Recipriversexclusons

    Trump: Putin well respected.

    So was saddam hussein.

    • msanthropesmr

      Well, at least Nazism is an ethos.

    • Panika MCD

      he has to play nice with dictators. his base is full of neo-Nazis.

  • Apple Scruff

    Who is this bald stooge who so clearly is pro Trump? I thought he was kinda hot until I realized what side he is on.

    • Brian

      he’s the head of the vets organization that organized the forum. and I don’t agree he’s being pro-Trump. I think he’s just very passionate and answering the questions he’s asked.

      • Apple Scruff

        I have seen him before and didn’t think he was. But tonight, he’s said a few things that made me think otherwise.

  • Shoto

    Is Bacevich going to get a shot at this discussion? Jeezuz, Maddow.

  • Callyson

    Adam Nagourney
    Los Angeles Bureau Chief

    8:25 PM ET

    Let the record show: We are 24 minutes into this national security debate, and the question of domestic terrorism is first being raised.

    OK, when the New York “We hate Hillary!” Times is going after you for being overly critical of her, you know MSNBC fucked this up. JFC…

    /FFS

  • Toadette

    I guess I’ll be switching to Droid when it’s time to upgrade. I did not just buy a new set of Grados 225e two months ago to not use them with my phone. When will these people get I don’t like shit in my ears?

    Also, I heard Trump is blasting our military leadership and praising Putin.

    • Courser

      Those things wouldn’t stay in my ears more than a couple of minutes. And at $150 a pair, they’re out of their minds.

      Then again, I’ve always though Apple products were overpriced.

  • Brian

    It is annoying these people are upset they didn’t discuss issues they weren’t asked questions about. They didn’t have an hour to discuss whatever that wanted!

  • Callyson

    I was watching this while working out, and I felt like something was pushing me to work out harder during the second half hour. Now I remember what it was:

    Maggie Haberman
    Reporter

    8:33 PM
    Trump is being allowed to rush ahead and claim, falsely, that he was always consistently against the war in Iraq. He was not.

    Nick Confessore
    Reporter
    8:33 PM
    Lauer let it go by. Wonder if he will come back.

    Maggie Haberman
    Reporter

    8:33 PM
    And Trump is plowing ahead with his stump speech.

    Adam Nagourney
    Los Angeles Bureau Chief

    8:33 PM
    Lauer is not really doing follow-up questions…

    Grrr…

    • ThePuckStopsHere

      Exactly.

      • ThePuckStopsHere

        “I was watching this while working out, and I felt like something was pushing me to work out harder during the second half hour. Now I remember what it was…”
        You may have been the only person in America to have gotten something out of that second half-hour.

    • Shoto

      “Follow-up questions? What are those?”

      — Matt Lauer

    • Recipriversexclusons

      Lower had to recompose but he did get “handled” a couple of times by the con man.

    • FDRliberal

      Let me do Lauer’s job for him:

      Buzzfeed: In 2002, Donald Trump Said He Supported Invading Iraq

      In the interview, which took place on Sept. 11, 2002, Stern asked Trump directly if he was for invading Iraq.

      “Yeah, I guess so,” Trump responded. “I wish the first time it was done correctly.”

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Real tough when it comes to interviewing a hapless douche like Ryan Lochte. With the future of our republic at stake, not so much.

  • janecita

    Matt Lauer is a twat! I’m sorry but I needed to get that off my chest.

    • Callyson

      Tonight, we all need to get that off our chests.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      You go, girl!

  • Callyson

    Adam Nagourney
    Los Angeles Bureau Chief
    8:59 PM

    …When you do these kind of forums,
    you want to some extent ask parallel questions so voters can draw some
    comparisons between the two campaigns. That didn’t happen tonight.

    Maggie Haberman
    Reporter
    9:00 PM

    Clinton basically got a two-by-four equivalent in the questions, well beyond emails. Trump got tapped on the cheek.

    The only saving grace being that I still think Hillary looked better than The Donald did.
    Hope others notice as much FFS…

    • Courser

      From the few snippets of Rachel’s show I watched, two people were like, ‘Yup, Trump’s my guy!!’. I was so discouraged, I didn’t watch any of it.

  • If this CiC forum is a sample of what the debates are going to look like, I’m not sure that I want to watch. I’m pretty tired of watching Trump get pass after pass after pass and praise as long as he refrains from actually whipping out his dick.

    • Brian

      I think when they’re on stage together, Hillary ain’t letting his shit fly.

      • Courser

        I’m also hoping the moderators don’t let the orange idiot-boy get away with the shit he did during the primaries. I have some hope for Anderson Cooper – he was challenging Trump on something last week. Trump was mouthing off his ‘show me’ bullshit about something he’d said earlier. Cooper kept trying to get an answer from him. Trump wasn’t happy.

    • FDRliberal

      During the debates, the brittle Trump will be forced to respond to Clinton’s repeated criticisms, rather than dealing with clowns like Matt Lauer, who basically went into a fetal position each time Trump didn’t answer his questions.

  • CogitoErgoBibo

    Oooo. Zinger. “Why didn’t they ask ‘Why didn’t YOU serve?'” That would have been a good one, granted. I’m a gonna hope that comes up during the debates, because “500 hard-fought deferrals” is always fun to hear.

  • Recipriversexclusons

    If anyone hasn’t seen the movie “Charlie Wilson’s War”, its about a missed opportunity that might have prevented the whole afghan thingy.

    • Brian

      yeah, a good watch.

  • Spotts1701

    So Megan Rapinoe, who plays for the U.S. Women’s National Team, has joined Colin Kaepernick in taking a knee during the national anthem while she plays for the Seattle Reign. Well, the owner of the Washington Spirit wasn’t having that – so he decided he wouldn’t let her protest by playing the anthem while the teams were still in the locker room and then blaming her for it by saying he didn’t want to subject “the fans” to her “disrespect”.

    • Recipriversexclusons

      Left the team in the locker room. Hope the whole team joins her after that to protest the owner’s disrespect of them.

  • Shoto

    MSNBC is being shameless with the idiot commercials. Between that and the moran, preznit-theme-muzik sonic pollution, I’m about to get on the news myself.

    • Recipriversexclusons

      “Last channel” on my flicky thingy is unreadable.

    • Courser

      Yeah, I haven’t been able to watch it either. I’m probably going to go over and wait for the 9 o’clock local news. Yes, I’m an old, kinda.

  • I Am Helpy

    Hillz just actually-ed Reince Priebus and it is perfect

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/773697548389380097

    • Oh SNAP!

    • Panika MCD

      you should see how many people are giving Reince the finger for that one. ALL THE LOLZ!!!

  • Brian

    Andrea Mitchell can join Chris Matthews on the slow boat to hell.

    • Courser

      She’s so bitchy and catty toward Hillary. Can’t say something good without qualifying or discounting it in some way.

  • FDRliberal

    Close your eyes and imagine how the media would have reacted if Clinton, rather than Trump, had stated: “I’m really good at war. I love war in a certain way.” Trump is allowed to get away with these loony statements over and over because overpaid clowns like Matt Lauer are too invested in a close election or actually scared of offending Mr. Trump.

    • ThePuckStopsHere

      Now there’ s a GREAT question. “You said ‘I love war.’ What the actual fuck?”

  • Jen B_VA

    I seem to recall when Bamz “lost” his first debate with mittens, the questions were like this:
    President Obama, Dronesobamacarekeystone???
    Govenor Romney, do you like puppies?

    This too shall pass
    Edit: And I totally called it BEFORE the questions started and I am going to strut about that for a while now.

    • No, mittens doesn’t like puppies! Remeber Dogs against Romney!??!?

      • Recipriversexclusons

      • Jen B_VA

        lol I shoulda said babbies XD It is after 10, I can use that excuse now!

      • Callyson

        “We sure do!”

        – my two dogs

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    I gave up on the post-show Q and A instantly, when the first vet started whinging about how horrible it is to talk about extending basic humanitarian comfort to refugees while ignoring veterans, and no one bothered to correct him. It’s not a zero-sum game, asshole. We can fucking do both, unless of course you vote for the tax-cutting Republican fucksticks you love so much. Some people are unteachable.

    • Callyson

      Ugh, now I’m glad I skipped it.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I respect veterans as much as anyone. That doesn’t mean they should get a free pass when they don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about.

        • Jen B_VA

          That is a particularly odious little bit of tripe the GOP trotted out, also. Seeing as they have voted, time and again, to cut veteren benefits.

        • Callyson

          Talk to me about refugees, NYT linky:

          Nearly 50 Million Children Are Refugees, Unicef Report Finds

          Children also represent a disproportionate and growing segment of those
          who have sought refuge outside their country of birth, the report said.
          While children make up about a third of the global population, they
          account for about half of all refugees.

          Yeah, we can’t help those greedy kids at all. JFC.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Or that to help them, we have to take money away from needy and disabled veterans. Typical fucking Republican bait and switch.

  • Brian
  • Sardonicuss

    “Mr. Trump, that is a lie, and nobody, starting with me, is going to let you say that anymore unchallenged” – Matt Lauer in a just world
    http://www.vox.com/2016/2/18/11057968/donald-trump-iraq-war-2002

    • Recipriversexclusons

      That’s why I wonder what it would have been like if Joy Reid had conducted the interview.

      • Sardonicuss

        I guess now..Debra Turness? will not be allowing that to happen.
        Perhaps people should let them know about it:
        contact.nbcnews@nbcuni.com

      • I would pay good money to see Joy Reid interview Trump in any format. I do not think that he would ever agree to it, but I would love it. He so desperately needs to be interviewed by someone who won’t let him get away with telling crazy lies.

      • Callyson

        Or Rachel Maddow. I would love to see Trump try to spew his BS past her FFS.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          Word.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I love Joy Reid. She takes no shit. I’m thinking a Joy Reid/Henry Rollins ticket would work for me.

    • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

      Read the Vox piece. It does point up the extreme difficulty of pinning down an utterly brazen liar. Trump reminds me, more and more, of this fucking piece of shit.

      Tailgunner Joe was absolutely shameless about lying, like Trump. Much of the media acquiesced in their coverage of his crusade and didn’t call him on his lies, like Trump. And many politicians played along, KNOWING he was a liar, for their own selfish reasons – like they do with Trump.

      • Jen B_VA

        I would think just saying “That is not true” would be a good way to do it.

        • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

          It should be obvious to everyone by now that Emperor Drumpf has no clothes. But much of the media is not only blind to the fact, they are complimenting him on his tailor.

  • Callyson

    In conclusion:

    Yo, Matt Lauer?

    • DainBramage

      How is Lauer part of anything more important than throwing to someone else for the weather or the recipe of the day? Two words – lightweight tool.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Again, we are challenged to give all the upfists in this quadrant of the galaxy for this post.

  • anwisok

    Is AC/DC anything but boogie woogie on guitar? Played loud?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjCovd549Q

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    I wish I was drunk with a bunch of cool Wonkers in Portland.

    • Me too!

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        I never get invited to hang out with the cool kids.

        • Jen B_VA

          R U in VA?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Why…is there another party there I’m not asked to?

          • Jen B_VA

            lol no, Jeff was thinking of kicking one up in December. Since it is all cold and snowy then in Mountain time or whereever the wonkbago parks, we will likely not have DR special guest stars.
            BUTTTtttttttt if you are close to the old dominion and that is a thing that happens maybe you could go to that?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Last I checked, AZ was kinda far away, but I’ll keep it in mind.

          • Jen B_VA

            Only a few days away!
            Though since you are in AZ, you should be near Jeff anyway. You should crash at his yert and drink all his wine.
            That is my retirement plan anyway

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            he’s in northern NM

        • TJ Barke

          I did, but I blew it…
          No, not like that, you pervs.

          • We wouldn’t be us if we didn’t think like that

          • Jen B_VA

            Gutter brain is not as much fun if you do not share it, also, too.

          • Confrimed. Laughing in your dark corner by yourself is boring. Laugh inappropriately in public and scare others!

          • Jen B_VA

            Sometimes, I like to go on an elevator, and meet someone eye to eye. Not mean or anything, just look em directly in the eye. Maybe even offer a brief smile.
            People get ALL sorts of uncomfy when you do that to them.

          • Vagenda and Tiara

            I like to wait until the door closes, and say to the group “you’re probably all wondering why I called you here today.”

    • TJ Barke

      IKR? Why don’t they have wormhole travel perfected? Thanks Obama…

      • Vagenda and Tiara

        Hey, don’t you live in Portland? Get over there!

        • TJ Barke

          No, I live 350 miles south of Portland.

          • Vagenda and Tiara

            Never mind!

    • Jen B_VA

      We can be there in spirit…and liver?

  • bubbuhh

    Hillary Benghazi realiez was too also Emarried to Colin PoWMD!!!!

    Democrats release email exchange between Colin Powell, Hillary Clinton

    “What I did do was have a personal computer that was hooked up to a private phone line (sounds ancient.) So I could communicate with a wide range of friends directly without it going through the State Department servers,” Powell wrote. “I even used it to do business with some foreign leaders and some of the senior folks in the Department on their personal email accounts. I did the same thing on the road in hotels.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democrats-release-email-exchange-between-colin-powell-hillary-clinton/

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      I’m sure Julian Assange will be all over this any day now.

      • Jen B_VA

        About the same time line as Bamz grabbin guns, right?

        • TJ Barke

          What are you talkin’ about? He’s always takin’ ma guns. I’m like “Why you always takin’ ma gunz, Bamz?” and he’s like “Lol, cuz New World Order, brah.” and I’m all “WTF, brah?”

          • Jen B_VA

            rofl is it horrible that I just totally imagined you and Obama talking just like that in my head?
            He was giving you the side grin saying “brah”

          • TJ Barke

            No, that was the goal.

        • Panika MCD

          Jade Helm 16: Electric Fence Sextin’

    • Brian

      This is a line of defense I wish they would just drop, even though it’s factual. It’s a PR mistake.

      • Jen B_VA

        Meh. I wish they’d drop the entire emailz thing myself, but since the press will not…..
        At least people should be aware that they /never/ hound the Republicans for doing the exact. Same. Thing.

    • Callyson

      He then warned Clinton, “However, there is a real danger. If it is
      public that you have a Blackberry and [the] government and you are using it, government or not, to do business, it may become an official record and subject to the law.”

      “Be very careful,” he added. “I got around it all by not saying much and not using systems that captured the data.”

      It helps that he also seems to have gotten rid of said e-mails.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        Why is this not huge front page news?

        • Vagenda and Tiara

          His assistant said last week that he DID talk to Clinton about setting up a private server, after he claimed he never talked to her about it. He gets caught lying, and she’s the untrustworthy one. I’m really getting tired of this election…

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          you have to ask why?

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Something something liberal media??

        • Vagenda and Tiara

          The bar is so low for Trump, it’s now underground.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Two words:

    APPLE SUCKS

    Monopolistic assholes.

    • Jen B_VA

      I never trust a company that does not let me mod without buying their specific products.
      Fuck em.

      • Serai 1

        Steve Jobs was always a megalomaniacal corporate goon. Woz was the real open-source advocate. In the early 90’s, I worked office jobs for several software companies in Scotts Valley and Los Gatos, and let me tell you, not a SINGLE PERSON had a good word for Jobs. Hands down, everyone thought he was an arrogant asshole, so nothing I’ve heard about him has surprised me. That the company he founded has been so paranoiacally focused on ownership and lock-outs goes right along with everything I’ve ever heard about the guy. Hippie, my ass.

        • Jen B_VA

          The great Woz PBUH you mean?
          Hipster hippie. All of the threads, none of the dreads, as we say in the shire.

          • churl

            Aye, matey. The Great Woz. The real genius.

        • Vagenda Woods

          I find it telling that as he reached the end of his life, his obsession was getting the windows just right in the new billion-dollar headquarters. Meanwhile, Bill Gates was busy spending billions to try to fix the world.

          • Serai 1

            I also find it telling that for all his cant about the future, he gave not a shit for the people that get exploited making his shiny little toys.

      • berkeleyfarm

        Long ago when the Macs that were “so easy to use” required a full time support person at my then-employer, the Mac guy told me I disliked Mac products for the correct reason to dislike them. (Mainly because I couldn’t get under the hood. There are the religious fanbois as well.)

        In turn I asked “what about the Macs?” in big fancy-dan new software project meetings that I got invited to as the LAN administrator.

        He and I hang out on Facebook to this day.

  • anwisok
  • Serai 1

    Nearly every week I hear one more reason why I’m glad I’ve never bought or owned a single piece of Apple’s hoity-toity crap.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Serai/Comment%20pics/pics/DS%20graphics/Whackintosh.jpg

    • Jen B_VA

      lol I kid you not, my apple obsessed sister told me “well, they have to make money!” rofl

      • Serai 1

        “Yeah, but it doesn’t have to be mine!”

    • Callyson

      The desktop with the enormous screen that I inherited from Dad is pretty good. Fuck if I’m going to spend the money it takes to own an iPhone, however.

      • Serai 1

        Setting aside the unbelievably creepy idea of carrying a device around that tracks your every move and reports it to whoever pays Apple enough to get your info. NO THANK YOU. What the FUCK are people thinking???

        • Jen B_VA

          You are asking that of a population that willingly broadcasts every moment and intimate detail of their lives on the internet and then gets shocked, SHOCKED, when they are turned down for jobs?

          • Serai 1

            I’ve been watching this insane nonsense unfold since the 80’s, as bit by bit people have just given up every scintilla of privacy and control they’ve ever had over their lives, and been utterly flabbergasted by all of it. How the FUCK did this happen? How is it that people are so utterly naive and moronic? How is “convenience” worth not having even an illusion of autonomy? I don’t get it. I really don’t.

          • Jen B_VA

            Me neither but it tickles me to no end when the same people shriek about the gubmint taking our freedom (legit, or otherwise).

          • Villago Delenda Est

            That’s what pisses me off. They willingly give all this information to corporations who exercise zero concern for their privacy, yet they bitch and moan about the government which is actually answerable for its actions.

            Dumbshits.

          • Jen B_VA

            Maybe it is the allusion of being “willing” that is the issue there?
            They think they are putting out there only what they wish to put out there, being ignorant of the fact that they are doing no such thing, and begrudge the government because they think they are doing it nefariously?

          • TJ Barke

            Social media is a conspiracy to normalize the surveillance state and something I refer to as “informant culture”, wherein people are constantly informing on themselves and others without even comprehending that that’s what they’re doing.

          • data_ninja

            Step 1. Track the criminals, because they’re criminals.
            Step 2. Track the children, because think of the children!!1
            Step 3. Track the adults, because they’re used to it since they grew up with it as children.

            You don’t need to install cameras or microphones everywhere (like in the UK), everyone is carrying one on them already. Let’s double down and make sure that they can’t take out the batteries!

            ***puts tin foil hat back on***

            I think that all of the police brutality and other forms of oppression being recorded on video was an oversight when they got the idea of having everyone carrying recorders. Of course, Apple is working on taking care of that!

          • Serai 1

            It does have its comedic side, no doubt about that.

  • Brian

    Meth-heads for Trump, apparently.

    • Recipriversexclusons

      kristallnachtmeth

  • Callyson

    Tell me, informative NYT linky, why doesn’t it make economic sense to construct The Wall?

    In an article in the Journal of Economic Perspectives scheduled to be
    published this fall, Gordon H. Hanson and Craig McIntosh of the University of California, San Diego, lay out the most obvious reason walling off Mexico would be pointless: Mexicans aren’t coming anymore.

    Those arriving in the 1980s and 1990s were born in the 1960s and 1970s, when
    Mexico’s fertility rate was as high as seven children per woman. Mexico was hit by repeated macroeconomic crises. To Mexicans growing up at the time, the prospect of a job in the prosperous American economy of that era was worth braving the Arizona desert and the Border Patrol.

    Mexico is a different country today. It is older. Since 1970, fertility rates have declined to just above the replacement rate of 2.1. Its labor supply is growing at about the same pace as that in the United States. And though Mexico is still much poorer, it is no longer prone to crises and unemployment spikes every couple of years.

    “The completion of the demographic transition in most of the Western Hemisphere leaves one to wonder whether the benefits of continued U.S. enforcement spending will justify its costs,” Professors Hanson and McIntosh concluded.

    Ah, I needed that visit to reality after spending thirty minutes listening to Trump FFS.

    • Vagenda and Tiara

      Brace yourself, I have more reality for you:
      “I believe Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. I accept his birthplace,” Indiana Gov. Mike Pence told reporters on Wednesday, declining to say if he thinks Trump should apologize.”

      • Jen B_VA

        lolz, is Pence positioning himself for when the GOP steps in and removes her Drumpf?

        • TJ Barke

          *herr*

        • Vagenda and Tiara

          Charles Pierce will answer your question:
          “OK, “I accept his birthplace” is a weird Hoosierish way of putting it, but Pence is plainly positioning himself to lead the Empirical Reality wing of the Republican base in 2020.”

          Whoever thought that Pence would turn out to be the sane one?

  • anwisok

    Moar Lemmy. Because, Fuck You.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPB4gk-SSEs

  • anwisok
  • Rufus T. Firefly

    Two words, friends: Android.

    • SeeTrain65

      This is just the thing the makers of Android phones and tablets needed.

      Let’s see just how badly they fuck it up.

      • Jen B_VA

        Oh they will. They are like the Democrats of mobile devices

        *note; not politically, still being capitalist pig dogs and all, but with the ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

        • SeeTrain65

          Understood. I have a cheap Android tablet, but found all the apps I wanted were only made for iPads.

          • Jen B_VA

            sounds about right ^.^ Does not help that apple has exclusive rights to aps and such, for to keep their monopoly in all but name going.

      • Sardonicuss

        Well, Samsung’s newest flagship is literally exploding and burning down hotel rooms..so apparently they have preemptively fucked it up.
        Motorola forever.

    • Vagenda Woods

      I have a Blackberry (don’t laugh!) Priv which runs on Android. It’s great. Never had Apple, but I really can’t see what an iPhone could do for me that Android can’t.

  • anwisok

    Yes. It’s a rabbithole. Follow it or don’t.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqHTql0XJow

    • Jen B_VA

      Foo Fighters is always worthy to follow along to, down rabbit holes or up in a tree.

  • Zippy W Pinhead
    • Villago Delenda Est

      By all means, let’s keep wasting money on a system that is fundamentally one of bullets being shot at bullets to stop them.

      Oy vey, the stupid, it is fucking ridiculous.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        step one- immediately ask the generals for a plan

        SMH seriously? Does he think that Bamz never bothered asking in 7.5 years?

        • TJ Barke

          There’s probably dozens of them…

          • Jen B_VA

            88 anyhow!
            Also, did anyone else catch that weird thing about him hiring new generals?
            Sounds like a threat to me. Kiss my ass or I fire you

          • TJ Barke

            What else do you expect a tinpot dictator to do?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Where exactly do you “hire” new generals? The help wanted section? Standard procedure is to promote them…

          • Jen B_VA

            Probably the same place Shrub “hired” his Fema director. Random ass kissers are us.

          • TJ Barke

            His kids will make great generals, yooge, the best.

          • Jen B_VA

            In Trump America, 4 star general Putin wants you

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            give Melania something new to pad her resume

          • data_ninja
          • Villago Delenda Est

            The Pentagon has staff that creates contingency plans for just about everything under the sun. They’ve got plans collecting dust for anything Donald can possibly imagine. Which isn’t much, given how limited his imagination is…Trump Steaks? I ask you…

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            the same staff pulling their hair out about climate change, because they fully understand the geopolitical implications of climate change- the thing that dumbass Donnie and half the GOP won’t even admit exists

          • Villago Delenda Est

            Prezactly.

        • feministing

          pfft haven’t you heard? he’s gonna get the best people to do the greatest stuff. it’s going to be fabulous.

    • Jen B_VA

      I like how he slips in that bit about the Heritage Foundation. Because the Heritage Foundation knows fuck all about what the Marines need?
      Edit or the air force??? WAIT WHAT?

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        fact is, we currently have over 1600 fighter aircraft

        • SeeTrain65

          And that’s not even including the shitty, overpriced, unusable ones.

          Hold on … I’d better be more specific …

        • Jen B_VA

          (I know, which is why I am all….whut??? We also have more than 36 Marine battalions, no? Could be mixing with Army again)

      • TJ Barke

        The Heritage Foundation knows what corporations need the marines to need.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Brawndo- it’s what Marines crave…

        • TJ Barke

          I thought creatine and ripped fuel were what marines craved…

    • Panika MCD

      Mr. Trump will attend every Inaugural Ball in the world. to make friendly.

      • Jen B_VA

        I wonder if this, yet, is clear enough for the “Hillary is a bigger war hawk!” crowd?

        • Panika MCD

          doesn’t that crowd have a warrant out for their arrest?

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      he will develop a state of the art missile defense system

      as opposed to? We already have the best there is and it’s not like the MIC’s R&D departments aren’t coming up with new ideas as fast as they can

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Good fucking gawd does he like the sound of “Mr. Trump”.

      • Jen B_VA

        Hope so. Cause it will never be “president Trump”
        Edit: Though will the press go with Mz or Mrs. Clinton I wonder? Or just her highness, as they ought.

    • I Am Helpy

      Well, the Air Force one will be easy, since it already has more than 1200 fighters.

      • Jen B_VA

        *cough*The U.S. Army has 490,326 active personnel and 198,599 reserve personnel.
        So he plans to turn the reserves onto active duty. How…difficult.

        • I Am Helpy

          The whole thing is literally fucking insane. Also since when has the HERITAGE FOUNDATION been the go-to source for military planning and logistics in the US?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            be glad he’s not asking Alex Jones

          • Jen B_VA

            The United States Navy is a powerhouse. The fleet consists of roughly 430 ships in active service or reserve

            lolz XD Please tell me people are pointing this shit out?

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            but, but EMAILS!!1!1!

          • Jen B_VA

            list of all the Marine Battalions. Guess what is more than 36?
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Marine_Corps_battalions

          • Jen B_VA

            reply to self: there are 32 infantry battalions alone, +34 other ground battalions. This does not include the logistics, command or others, or inactives because I am too lazy to count further.

          • I Am Helpy

            It also has more than 1,000 fighters of its own, while we’re on the topic of fighter jets.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        mentioned that downthread- this guy is an idjit

        • I Am Helpy

          So you did! Missed that.

    • beavertank

      He’s like a parody of a bad candidate. Except he claims to be serious.

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Pat Paulson was a parody candidate, and he was more serious and qualified than Teh Donald can ever be.

    • Spotts1701

      Shorter: MIC gets a blank check, everyone else gets scraps from the table or starves.

      Well, that’s one way to up recruitment – beat people down so much they’ll enlist just to have a roof over their head and three meals a day.

      • Jen B_VA

        I have figured it out. Trump does not know how to google.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        and he will cut taxes on the wealthy at the same time AND balance the budget, once he eliminates the dept of education and the DoE and TANF and the IRS and…

        • I Only Like Cats

          Does he remind anyone else of a really inept and stupider and rapier Thomas Jefferson?

          • Bub the Leftwing Zombie

            In the sum total of his awfulness, he really doesn’t remind me of anyone. He is uniquely Drumpf.

          • I Only Like Cats

            Pfft, I’m sure if we got enough terrible people’s souls together we could mix it until it was something close.

          • I Am Helpy

            “Too much Hitler! Needs more Stalin to balance it out…”

          • pstockholm

            “I will root out the Kulaks and deport them.”

  • anwisok

    *bows* Not worthy! Not worthy!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_gREw_7xIQ

  • we have like 37 apple products in this house (few of our choosing).

    fortunately we also still have my 2010 lenovo thinkpad WHICH STILL USES APPLE HEADPHONES and does not – talking to you geniuses – have any more viruses than mr fuflan’s macbook. and it’s 5 years older.

    oh and fuck off apple. now i’m totally going to buy another PC.

  • anwisok
    • Jen B_VA

      :huggles just cause:
      Off to dream of loverly things, thanks for keeping the dance party

    • ThePuckStopsHere

      Yay, Slade!

    • Suse

      I saw them live in the early 1970s. I forgot who the lead act was. My friends and I had never heard of them. We were *so* stoned, so they sounded pretty good.

      • Shanocide

        Glad you got home okay! :P

  • ThePuckStopsHere

    God damn. L. O’Donnell just said we’ll be back with more of MSNBC’s lies…LIVE coverage of the CIC forum in just a moment.” Drudge siren in 3-2-1…

    • beavertank

      THE LIEBERAL MEDIA FINALLY ADMITS IT!!! Video at 11.

  • Recipriversexclusons

    I run a system that has 32G of memory, a 512G SSD for the OS and a 2TB RAID 10 storage HDD config. I run VMware with multiple OS’s consecutively with mutli-monitors. Yes, I built this. For S&G’s I tried to see if apple had anything close. Dream on.
    My phones are given to me by folks that want to upgrade to the latest android and my monthly cell bill is $27.
    Fuck apple, but I do put food on my table by working on them too, also.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      my MPB has 16G of RAM and a terabyte SSD- no RAID (it’s a laptop). I looked into their top end desktop solutions- you can get a serious machine from Apple, but you could get a late model used car for about the same price

    • anna rampage

      Your housemate isn’t named Julie by chance? ;)

      • anwisok

        Laurie. need also too a maclaren.

        • Recipriversexclusons

          Is that Lori’s 2nd cousin by divorce?

      • Recipriversexclusons

        >>>>>>>>>>>>>No<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
        <<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • Be Gin

    I think it would be nice for Hillary to send Donnie a present before their debate on national security. Just a box with a nice WWI vintage bayonet in it.

    • Panika MCD

      why not a samurai sword as a symbol of how he will ritually execute himself WITH VOTES?

  • anwisok

    Time for me to say: Goodnight, Irene, goodnight!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZm96PKwtHc

  • Callyson

    Are they getting smart, NYT linky?

    Souring on Donald Trump, Republicans Pour Money Into Senate Races

    Wealthy Republican donors, viewing Donald J. Trump
    as a losing cause, are turning their firepower toward several key
    Senate races, threatening to bury Democrats under a deluge of negative
    advertising…

    Many Republican donors who either reject Mr. Trump or simply fear he
    will lose believe that maintaining control of the Senate is their only
    hope of standing up to major policy changes with Mrs. Clinton in the
    White House.

    Don’t forget those down-ticket races, people!

  • Panika MCD

    going to have to rename Today Show. how does Everyone Tells Matt to GFY or should it be “GTFO”?

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/09/matt-lauer-donald-trump-227865

    • Things I would rather watch than the Today Show:

      1)Thoracic Surgery
      2) A colonoscopy on a dinosaur
      3)Fox News

  • Jonny On Maui

    Any survivors from the drinky thing?

    • Tacotruckjohn

      I still seem to be alive.

      We toasted you at 4:20 PDT.

      http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/4218/2525/original.jpg

      • Jonny On Maui

        Thank you! I toasted too from a remote location. Looks like an incredible day there!

        • TJ Barke

          This was me, not at the drinky thing:

          Have I mentioned I didn’t make it to the drinky thing?

          • Jonny On Maui

            I wish I had one of me not at the drinky thing.

            wait…

          • WomanInAMood

            ….waiting….

          • Jonny On Maui

            Sorry, all of my pics are of me not at your drinky thing. :-(

          • WomanInAMood

            And how goes the visit with the spawn?

          • Jonny On Maui

            Spawn and I worked hard today clearing paths for the tree removal crew that starts Friday. I plan on blowing MECO’s mind and telling them they can start early next week. I’m sure the guy who came out yesterday thinks he’s got 2 weeks or more.

          • WomanInAMood

            There is something strangely satisfying about messing with people.as long as it’s done kindly, of course.

        • I had to wait until a little later. People tend to look at the bus driver funny if he’s mainlining boozahol at 60 MPH. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STUPID AND IRRATIONAL!

      • WomanInAMood

        It was so nice meeting you!

        • Tacotruckjohn

          Delighted! WomanInAMood was one of the founders of our feast. Such a pleasure. Molotov!

  • Jeffocaster in the desert

    OK wonkers, hope everyone has a splendid time at the drinky, and that no one popped a blood vessel watching the Orangatan……good night, sees ya in the AM

    • Jonny On Maui

      Good night Jeff.

  • William Romanowski

    I’ve just stopped my (newly started) recurring payment for Wonkette. Good snark is one thing, a wankfest is quite another. Time to move on.
    Those tired old comments boasting how cheap and bitchen’ Android is, or “I built my own PC (it ain’t rockette surgery dude) and it rawks compared for anything from Crapple” are an excellent tell that I’ve wasted way too much of my time here.

    • Jonny On Maui

      Come back anytime.

    • TJ Barke

      Uh… okay…

    • I Am Helpy

      … really?

    • Brian

      you left off, “and this is why I will now vote for Trump.”

    • Panika MCD

      you know that the commenters are not paid, right?

      • I Am Helpy

        Yes *shifty look* none of us are paid. Definitely true.

        • Panika MCD

          I mean: Brock aside. this guy’s personal donations do not go to our salaries.

    • data_ninja

      Oh great, now we’re all gonna get sacked, AND our union dues are gonna go up! Are you sure you’re not comparing Apples and Androids Oranges here?

      Part of the beauty of this place is the differing of opinions and such. I don’t always agree with everyone here, but I also enjoy the contrast and exchange of ideas (gloriously disguised as snark). We’ll still be here when you feel like coming back.

    • BloviateMe

      I’ve been here for quite a bit, off and on, and have had to take breaks that last months, because even libs (gasp) can do the mob mentality, and everybody needs a break once in awhile, but what a weird breaking point (at least to me, no offense).

      No matter, it’s all good William, it’s a pretty sweet website, overall, and we’ll be here if you want to come back. Peace.

      • I Am Helpy

        Yeah, I’m not mad at this guy or anything, it’s just such a weird thing to Leave Forever over.

    • Brian

      I’m a bad person because I’m annoyed I can’t charge my phone and listen with headphones at the same time and I don’t want to have to buy new headphones to replace my perfectly good ones if i want to keep upgrading my iPhone?

      you are a real truth teller.

      • Panika MCD
        • Jonny On Maui

          I’m just trying to imagine what that thing would do if I ran some of my tunes through it…

          • You might like it.

            Hell, I’d try anything once. Although, given the Apple brand on it, I’d probably not want to pay for it.

          • Jonny On Maui

            Me? No thanks. I’d rather give than receive.

            Probably shouldn’t let me be in charge of the volume control…

          • Hey, who’s to say that isn’t the very point of the kink?

            …Though, that would call for a very unique safety word, now wouldn’t it?

            “THERE’S THE WORD!”

            “No, I’m just singing along with the music in my butt! Turn it back up!”

    • WomanInAMood

      Because long and detailed descriptions of computery stuff is our bailiwick. Have I showed you my super new flip phone? Fuckin’ awesome, dude!

      • I’m guessing someone did not get the memo about the dance parties and how we nerd out and/or bitch about everything all night long around here and DID NOT LIKE IT ONE BIT!

        And, you know, ostentatious TAKING MY TOYS AND GOING HOME posts are ever so much better than tech wars in teh comments.

        • WomanInAMood

          I’m so happy that there is a lack of tech wars in these non-existent comments. Because, frankly, I have no fucks to give on that particular subject.

          • I’m pretty inveterately tech-y, but I don’t really play fanboy. I buy what I buy because I think it will suit my needs. If it begins to fail to suit my needs, I replace it. If it keeps on suiting my needs, I keep it.

            I’m rather invested android, I guess, for no other reason than I’ve owned no other kind of smartphone. But, Google is as evil as Apple is as evil as Microsoft. If you want something in your pocket that can access the sum total of human information on it, you’ve got to choose one of the minions of Satan. Which doesn’t really matter much, as far as I’m concerned.

  • UnsaltedSinner

    Holy crap. Here you can read the first story NYT published about tonight’s interviews of Trump and Clinton v. the Patrick Healy article they replaced it with. Compare and contrast, children:

    http://newsdiffs.org/diff/1245445/1245474/www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-national-security.html

  • Callyson
    • Panika MCD

      Make America Lauer Less. #MALL

      [EDIT:] or Make America Lauerless #MAL

      I can’t decide.

      • data_ninja

        Now is the Lauer of our discontent?

    • If America is depending on Matt Lauer, the situation is even more dire than I thought.

  • Callyson

    Glad I am not the only one who noticed:

    https://twitter.com/NormOrnstein/status/773684804009226240

    • Brian

      While this is true, I don’t think this is a valid complaint. Hillary gave extensive answers regarding complex questions; while Trump basically spoke in soundbites.

      They were trying to get in as many questions as possible and Trump answered way more questions. It isn’t a gender thing it was a time thing.

      But, I could be wrong.

      • Amalga

        Ya think?

      • Callyson

        Sure, but if he hadn’t spent the first twelve minutes on e-mail-gate (and it”s not as if he had any new evidence as a reason to go there), Hillary would have been able to give a coherent answer.

        Also too, there was his condescending “well, we tried” when Hillary went after Trump on his alienation of the Muslim community at the end of her last answer, while he laughed when Trump said he would “minimize” his hits on Hillary. So, yeah, I think this is a valid complaint.

        • Brian

          yes, the email thing was totally ridiculous, and the “we tried” thing, and giving Trump a pass on lying about the Iraq war, too. But those are different points. Matt Lauer was not a good moderator or host or whatever he was; I just don’t think him interrupting Clinton was a sexist thing. I think it was just him being a bad host and trying to move things along instead of letting Clinton answer the questions thoroughly.

  • cousin itt

    Hmmm. Not a lot of love here for Apple. I’ve had to navigate between PCs and Macs for a quarter century. I just feel more at home on an Apple OS. It matches better how I think and respond. Totally respected Windows XP but still more clumsy than Apple. The technology change for headphones happened before the 7. I think maybe the issue is there is no iPhone 7 w/o dongle or bluetooth. This reminds me of clutch vs. auto transmissions. I am a huge lover of a manual tranny. But I have to give it to cars whose auto tranny can make decisions better than I can. Some folks just like the feel of a manual tranny.

    • I Am Helpy

      Steve Jobs only stole from the best.

      • cousin itt

        I saw that film at Telluride last year and I have to agree. And then again, Microsoft has not exactly been an innovative force to move the digital frontier forward.

        • I Am Helpy

          To be serious, Apple hardware is actually really high quality; their software is not so great though.

          • cousin itt

            Fair cop. I use MS for Mac all the time. There might really be a kind of existential question here about how much standardization benefits users or inhibits innovation. ISO 9000 may be one thing, universal compatibility across hardware and software platforms may be much more tricky.

          • BloviateMe

            Funny, my company dropped ISO certification about 8 years ago, and haven’t lost one job as a result.

            I know, stunning and stuff.

        • Aquaria

          Not been an innovative force is an understatement.

          Like the coder at Digital Research who could show exactly where in the original MS-DOS that Gates lifted DR’s source code.

          Like that massive settlement that Microsoft had to pay Apple after MS stole the code from Quicktime for their “Display Control Interface” or whatever it was called.

  • Callyson

    Hillary to Reince–kiss my ass, you idiot:

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/773697548389380097

  • I thought this was a dance party?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgM3r8xKfGE&list=PLgA_QpnjZQywsXo9BfsOkhLRj31OOVjvZ&index=27

    How’s it shakin’, Y’all? Anna’s Summer of Rage is overs. I only had to call 911 to a retail store once.

    • berkeleyfarm

      Oh, bless. Hope you’re ok.

      When I was running a soup kitchen, I figured any day that passed without 1) calling 911 2) having to 86 someone 3) other injury or significant damage to the property was a good one.

      • I’m OK, thanx. :) Back in July, some big teenager decided he didn’t like my looks. Afters I refused to back down, he “got his dad”. I let the Deputies handle it.

        The Deputies said I handled myself well, but slut-shaming customers – and my slut-shaming sister – felt no compunction about criticizing my mode of dress.

        Did my PTSD a world of good, you’ll note. Oh wells, what does not kill us leaves us stronger.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaI2IlHwmgQ&list=PLgA_QpnjZQywsXo9BfsOkhLRj31OOVjvZ&index=40

        • berkeleyfarm

          Hugs offered if you want them!

        • I’m just glad to see you back! We had a right good panic when you went away.

          Here’s my brother’s favorite song by Ivan, the once and current leader of Men Without Hats, from his one and only solo album:

          https://youtu.be/GsbrSLVELcg?list=RD3X5wFtjhAK4

          • :) Thank you, sincerely. It’s been a harder Summer in a hard year.

          • Keep calm and Wonk on.

            (Is that how that works? Did I successfully manage to sound like Not A Old?)

          • ~hugs~ Good enough XD

    • Jonny On Maui
      • It’s safe to dance, if you leave your friends behind…. XD

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zUUtf7gOe8

      • WomanInAMood

        Safe from what?

        • Jonny On Maui

          You’re here! How was it? tellmetellmetellmetellme!!!!!

          • WomanInAMood

            It was really, really nice. We had a boatload of food, people drifted in and out, the weather actually cooperated, and everybody toasted you (heh, heh) at 4:20. Btw, rebecca and shy are really nice, and Donna Rose was resplendent in her zebra suit.

          • Jonny On Maui

            Oh thank you! I’m so glad it went well. John posted a pic of Donna Rose below. She’s going to rule the universe some day…

          • WomanInAMood

            She is a very adorable child, with a mind of her own. She kept charging off on her own, and it was damn cool. She will rule the universe someday…

          • Kiri the Unicorn

            Not Enough Wind. —:=(~

          • Jonny On Maui

            So the kites were grounded?

          • Kiri the Unicorn

            The ball field is big enough, but the place is surrounded by trees and buildings that really mess up the wind at ground level, even if there were enough to work with. It was lovely meeting folks, though.

          • WomanInAMood

            Kiri’s kite is beautiful! As is his potato salad.

          • Jonny On Maui

            That does not surprise me at all! :-)

      • cousin itt

        Literal version. I’m insane! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi7mBzdDHyY

        • Jonny On Maui

          I really wish I had this when I was leading team meetings…

          • cousin itt

            I still do but ah, the younger members of my teams would not get any of it in context. So. Much. Context.

  • FDRliberal

    Matt Lauer is deservedly catching a lot of hell for letting Trump get away with lying about his being against the Iraq War from the start:

    Politico: Media turn on Lauer for not fact-checking Trump

    “Journalists reacted with disbelief on Wednesday night when NBC anchor Matt Lauer failed to fact check Donald Trump on his claim he did not support the Iraq war in 2002.”

    New York Magazine: “Trump Lies About Iraq War Opposition, Lauer Moves to Next Question”

    “…when Howard Stern asked Trump “Are you for invading Iraq?” on September 11, 2002, Trump replied: “Yeah, I guess so. You know, I wish the first time it was done correctly.”

    Buzzfeed News: Donald Trump Lies That He Opposed Iraq War From Beginning And Goes Unchallenged

    “As BuzzFeed News has reported on extensively, Trump expressed support for invading Iraq in a 2002 interview with Howard Stern and praised the invasion in the days after it commenced…Trump supported the Iraq War, praised it as a success in its early days, and then later opposed the war and argued for troops to be withdrawn immediately, which he now criticizes Obama for doing.”

    • cousin itt

      I came away with how well Lauer dealt with Donald. Upon reflection, it may be that I have rarely seen Donald deal with anyone remotely resembling a journalist.

      • FDRliberal

        Lauer is paid millions to interview people like Trump. Many non-journalists know, from reading that original Buzzfeed article, that Trump lied about his being against the war from the start. Lauer failed big time by letting Trump get away with that whopper.

        • cousin itt

          I get that. Lauer is paid millions to inform AND entertain, no? Has MS/NBC been transparent about how the selection process worked for the moderator/interviewer for this show?

    • Callyson

      Well, he deserves it, so…

  • I Am Helpy

    Dance party huh? This music won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, but this man is not bound by the constraints of physics:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6-SnUl0A0

    • Jonny On Maui

      Damn!

      • I Am Helpy

        IKR? Pretty sure that several of those moves are actually impossible.

        • Jonny On Maui

          Did he get all his joints replaced with magnets? That’s the only way I could see anyone doing some of those moves…

  • Vagenda Woods
    • Panika MCD

      I’d up vote, but I have to go worship at the porcelain throne now.

      • cousin itt

        How long did it take for the throne to meltdown?

        • Panika MCD

          ended up having to vomit in the litter box.

          • cousin itt

            I hate that when I have to do it, too also.