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Pollster’s Mean Questions Make Big Tough Conservatives Weep

HypocrisybabyPublic Policy Polling has separated itself from the other polling outfits through one simple trick: Its polls include weird questions. It’s how we found out, for example, that God had a 52-percent approval rating last year, and that only 19 percent of GOP voters polled believed Obama was going to heaven.

They are not questions of any dire importance, which is why it’s easy to chuckle at the results and move on to the ones that actually tell us real things. But this time … this time Dean Debnam and company have gone a bridge too far: They asked 979 likely Wisconsin voters how they felt about “conservative media figures.”

Bias! Outrage! Somebody have a freakout!

Thankfully, Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin stepped up. She spins us a yarn, beneath the totally accurate and only marginally hysterical headline “Exclusive: PPP caught doing advocacy polling on race”:

I spoke by phone today with Wisconsin voter Dave Summers, who lives in the Madison area. He told me, “I got a survey. I don’t normally answer these calls, but I did [this time]. I started out pretty normal — President, Senate.” However, he said it then got weirder. The automatic survey asked if he had a favorable or unfavorable impression of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson. He said he was greatly disturbed when the automated call then asked, “Do you believe conservative media want white people to think Barack Obama hates them?” He said, “That bugged me.”

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And what should we think of this, Ms. Rubin?

PPP, a Democratic polling outfit, has long been viewed by suspicion by not only conservatives but by independent, credible pollsters. Now there is all the more reason to discount its “polling” as shoddy partisanship.

Here is the situation: Drudge puts out a video of Obama talking to black people in 2007, a video last published in, oh, 2007. But THIS time around, they had a classic Scared White Folks narrative to fit it into, which they did, to make people think Obama maybe wanted to stand up for black people by stepping on whites.

The same week, PPP sends out this poll asking, among other normal-people questions about governors and presidents and stuff, “Do you think Barack Obama hates white people, or not?” and if that is the goal of some conservative media outlets.

This, obviously, means that PPP is the organization guilty of “shoddy partisanship.” Certainly not the people who randomly dredged up a video that’s been on the internet for five years.

Don’t worry though! Daily Caller editor Tucker Carlson, the smug, still-unwaterboarded Sean Hannity, and that Drudge guy are still so, so upset about it. According, that is, to the PPP Twitter account:

“Neil Munro just e-mailed me expressing concern that our WI poll may have made Drudge, Carlson, and Hannity feel disrespected,” the tweet said.

Munro, as you know, became the Disrespect Chancellor of the Free World when he attended remarks by the president of the United States and decided to interrupt him. Now he’s policing the bounds of tact by telling random pollsters that his boss has a case of the sads because he found out 92 percent of Wisconsin either has no idea what his website is or actively hates it. Mayhaps he is wiping his tears with birth certificates.

PPP should know better than to gauge the public’s reaction to a thing media people told them, and to follow up with asking how they feel about those media people. That’s not what polls are for.

SHODDY, Public Policy Polling! Shoddy. Even if you are actually pretty good at getting the important questions right, the unimportant questions hurt someone’s feelings, and now you are shoddy. [WaPo]

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145 comments

  1. snowpointsecret

    "You People" need to leave the glorious God-fearing Fox News commentators alone. -Ann Romney

  2. Trannysurprise

    “Do you believe conservative media want white people to think Barack Obama hates them?” He said, “That bugged me.”

    Then I answered, "Why yes, yes I do."

    1. PsycWench

      It bugged him because it was too complicated. They should stick to "Barack Obama: Satan or Minion of Satan?" like the nice conservative outlets do.

  3. PsycWench

    What do these PPP people think, that a polling group can just call people and ask them random questions about their opinions?

  4. slithytoves

    True story: I have never once been called for a poll, and I have never been called to jury duty. Do I not exist? Somebody ask me for my fucking opinion!

    1. PugglesRule

      I've never been called for jury duty either *clings* But I get waaay too many calls from pollsters. That could be because I live in Wisconsin, where we've been in election mode for more than a year.

    2. Lascauxcaveman

      I am permanently exempt from jury duty because I have very poor hearing. If you ever want to get out of jury duty; just act a bit deaf.

      It's fun to use on the phone solicitors and pollsters, too. Pretend like you're interested in whatever hash they're slinging, but be really hard of hearing. See how long they last.

    3. kittensdontlie

      If your existence has been challenged, you might be a:
      a) Hologram.
      b) Figment of your own imagination.
      c) Shadow person.
      d) All of the above.

      1. Yellerdawg

        It's also possible that you are only real to what is directly in front of you and nothing behind you exists.

    4. Toomush_Infer

      Okay – here's a poll question for you:

      Which are dumber?

      A. ___ Faux "newscasters"
      B. ___ Mud

      Take your time….

      1. HistoriCat

        Yeah but every four years you get the presidential candidates coming to your house to change your oil and paint your house so stop complaining.

        1. WABishop

          It's not as great as it sounds. Gingerich spilled paint everywhere and left before the job was done. Rick Perry can't make a dry martini to save his life.

    5. bonghitforjesus

      Wanna get out of jury duty? Tell them your mom is an attorney. Worked like gangbusters for me!

    6. bobbert

      I lived in extremely blue Santa Clara County for thirty years, and got exactly one poll call. To be fair, I may have missed some by being at work, but still, one.

      Since mid-2009, I've lived in fairly-red Tuolumne County. During election season, I get a poll call about three times a week. And most of these arrive at times when I would have received them back in my Santa Clara County days, despite my work hours.

      Who says there's any bias in polling?

      Oh. That would be me.

      1. bobbski

        Being an atypical senior citizen who only uses a cellphone, I haven't been bothered with too many polling calls.

    7. bobbski

      I was 69 when I was first called to jury duty. The entertainment value is vastly overrated. You haven't missed much.

    1. PsycWench

      To crush your enemy and see them driven before you* is what is good in life, or so someone said.

      *with votes.

      1. MittBorg

        Of course! I'd NEVER, for instance, consider crushing them with mangle-wurzels.

        MUSH, you huskies! Oh, I just love whips and leather gear!

        1. Tangled sin tax

          It's a realtime strategy resource management and fighting game from about 10 years ago. The antagonists are all trying to make it from hunter-gatherer to the Bronze Age.

  5. SayItWithWookies

    If Assity and his buds want to create an issue but keep it under the radar they should just tell all the polling agencies that they don't want anyone to ask questions about it. I mean, if you expose every absurd, racist scare tactic to the light of day, of course people are gonna say it's stupid and they don't believe it — and who wants to know that? Now just shut up, read your Bibles, and vote for the Christian. Oh, wait.

  6. zumpie

    PPP "made Drudge, Carlson, and Hannity feel disrespected"? Now I really, really like them!

    Also, too, also – PPP is viewed with skepticism? As opposed to Assmussen, ARG, Mason-Dixon, Gravis, Suffolk (who can;t be beothered to continue to poll in states that Bams is winning, cause it "isn't by enough") or Fox, themselves???

    Yeah, we better do something about all that librul bias, huh?

  7. PsycWench

    Yeah, well, those Drudge, Carlson, and Hannity people aren't exactly respected. So there's that.

  8. Doktor Zoom

    So let me see if I have this right:

    Saying Barack Obama hates white people: Not Racist or race-baiting

    Asking –as in, "just asking," you know–"Does Barack Obama hate white people?": Not Racist or race-baiting

    Asking "Do Conservative media figures try to make white people fear that Barack Obama hates white people?" : Totally racist race-baiting of the worst sort.

    OK, I think I understand now.

  9. elviouslyqueer

    Reading Jennifer Rubin is like watching a chimpanzee playing with its poo. You just know there's going to be a disgusting, hot, smelly mess interspersed with bouts of incoherent babbling and screeching.

    1. bobbert

      You are some kind of English major/postgrad/PhD, aren't you? Because you write beautifully. I wish I could do that.

    1. Tommmcatt_Again

      Well, that's it. Obama's won.

      Nobody loves their donkey schoolboy bukkake porn like a closeted rightwinger.

      1. Gleem McShineys

        Nobody loves their donkey schoolboy bukkake porn like a closeted rightwinger.

        Especially Romney.

        Apparently he wants it all for himself. Um, to review.

    2. Dudleydidwrong

      Somebody call Jenna Jameson and ask her about that endorsement.

      On second thought, I'll just run over to her house…

  10. HRH_Maddie

    PublicPolicyPolling@ppppolls tweeted on 10/11/12:
    I just learned that when Jennifer Rubin 'interviews' you all she really does is call you up and yell at you

  11. YouBetcha

    I thought they were all pretty normal questions until they got to this one: Question #14: When he traveled to the Dominican Republic with a suitcase full of cash and Viagra, do you believe that Rush Limbaugh did so intending to have sex with boys under the age of 15?

  12. noodlesalad

    The conservative media are only incensed because they're trying to convince EVERYBODY that Obama hates them.

    1. MittBorg

      Hey, there, people, I'm Bobby Brown
      They say I'm the cutest boy in town
      My car is fast, my teeth is shiny
      I tell all the girls they can kiss my hiny

      1. Lascauxcaveman

        Until that song came around I thought the term "Tower Of Power" referred exclusively to a popular R&B band.

  13. Jukesgrrl

    If, indeed, "Drudge, Carlson, and Hannity feel disrespected," I will go about today's appointed task of cleaning the patio with a smile on my face and my head held high, even while I am scraping up bird poop. Thanks, PPP.

          1. LagunaB

            Calcium for muscle spasms. Easy stretching for sore muscles. Walking and swinging your arms gently. I take 800 mg of liqui-gel ibuprofen if I have a lot of pain (cramps).

          2. MittBorg

            I can't get up at all. My left leg and my back are in spasms. I'm taking Ibuprofen but it's not doing much. I'll try the calcium. Two days to wait before any human beings arrive.

            Now don't you tease me about cannibalistic intentions.

          3. LagunaB

            Ok. So laying flat on your back, point your right foot (toes) down, release. Left foot point, release. Right heel stretch, left heel stretch. This will pull/ stretch your back. Then toes again. This will stretch muscles and get blood circulating. You can also pull leg up to chest one at a time, hug leg, release. Good for back. You will be a ballerina in to time. Feel better. Wish I had some of Humboldt's finest to give to you.Sent from iPhone

          4. MittBorg

            Thanks, sweetie. I *have* some of Humboldt's finest, and even that''s not doing the trick. But, interestingly, the calcium seems to be helping. Either that or the goddamned painkiller finally kicked in. I can't move the affected leg very much at all, but I'll try the stretches. I'm sure they'll help. Take care, sweetie, and thanks for the positive reinforcement.

  14. MiniMencken

    How many polled people believe Bo is going to Heaven? That's the really important question, as answering "no" when there is a documentary film available for over twenty years that clearly states "All dogs go to Heaven" shows they just have not been paying attention and shouldn't be allowed to vote in polls. Now pass me that blunt, Ace.

    1. bobbert

      I had a Lab named (in Human) "Ace", and if there is a Heaven (which I must admit I doubt), that motherfucker better be there.

  15. Callyson

    “Do you believe conservative media want people to hate them?”

    Strongly agree. Next question…

  16. i_AM_ready

    Question 1: Do you have a favorable or unfavorable view of Jennifer Rubin?
    If "do not know" — Do you find it difficult to concentrate when reading a Jennifer Rubin column because you are wondering if she was at some time in her life hit in the face with a shovel?

  17. Crank_Tango

    "Do you believe the allegations that B. Hussein Obama, nationality questionable, has fathered not one but TWO black, GIRL children who now depend on the government for housing?"

    Doesn't bug me.

  18. BlueStateLibel

    New PPP poll question. Did VP Uncle Joe Biden: totally kick Paul Ryan's ass in the debate last night, or did Biden just totally crush him and extinguish his will to live?

  19. actor212

    Y'know, you have to almost…I said, almost!…pity conservatives. They're watching this "great grassroots movement", aka known as the TeaParty, go down in flames as Democrats and establishment Republicans turn their backs on them.

    And they don't have the stones to even cowboy up, admit they went way too far, and get back on a horse.

    I mean, lookit: just two years ago, they elected Walsh and Bachmann and West, and looked like they'd capture the GOP outright with a credible candidate in 2012.

    Hell, even Scott Brown had to genuflect before them.

    The seats in Congress haven't even gotten warm and all three of those asshats will be gone, and then Scott Brown follows.

    1. bobbert

      Fuck pity. They got major gains in state-level legislation, and stymied anything useful at the Federal level. I don't pity the motherfuckers, I want to strangle them.

  20. nounverb911

    “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die.”
    –Mel Brooks

  21. One_who_wanders

    There is not enough disrespect in the whole world for those three. We would have to find and mine whole asteroids of disrespect to even come close.

  22. finallyhappy

    Question for people who are more twitter savvy than me- What does "promoted by" mean on Twitter? I am guessing it means the group paid and everyone on Twitter gets the message? Because I had a message from Ryan and one from Romney last night- not retweeted by anyone- it said Promoted by Ryan(or Romeny for Pres- or something like that) . I replied and told them to get their lying selves off my twitter feed.

  23. resolvedwaldron

    I say it's time we put a halt to all thes surveys and questionnaire. I want to start an organization that will get us the people all ond board, or least a siginifcant amoutn of people who will make the commitment to answer each and every poly, survey, questionnaire exactly backwards. All that would be needed is about a 5 – 10% error rate and all the polls would end up totally wrong. Can you imagine people are asked if they are democrats or republicans and you answer just the opposite or give some other erroneous response. Screw up your responses and screw the polls and then no politician can rely on them to craft their politics.

    1. bobbert

      Possible problem: the bulk of the American electorate is so stupid that they might respond to "backwards" polls by switching their affiliation to the "backward" position.

      Be careful.

  24. JustPixelz

    He told me, “I got a survey. I don’t normally answer these calls, but I did [this time]…"

    He went on. "I never thought this would happen to me. At the time my neighbor was sunbathing. She's 24 and likes an all-over tan. She doesn't know I can see into her backyard from my attic window. Needless to say, that it where I took the survey."

    Dave continued to explain the survey methodology. "When they asked if I hated white people, I was staring at the most beautiful bronze body God put on Earth. So naturally, I practically shouted 'No'!. Unfortunately, my neighbor heard me, looked up, and knew I was watching. I say 'unfortunately', but it turned out be the greatest afternoon of my life."

    Dave then provide a very detailed explanation of what made it his greatest afternoon.

    "My neighbor says she loves pubic poling. And I'm not going to argue!" he concluded.

  25. glamourdammerung

    The victim card?!? AGAIN?!?!

    Wow…it sure must be embarrassing to be a Republican at this point.

  26. pinkocommi

    “Do you believe conservative media want white people to think Barack Obama hates them?” He said, “That bugged me.”

    What bugs me is that they even have to ask. I mean, DUH!

  27. Gleem McShineys

    Just like exposing racism is the real racism, asking people about Conservative's racism is even more extra realer.

    PPP IS HITLER

  28. Lionel[redacted]Esq

    But all Tucker, Hannity and Drudge did was bring up five year old previously released video of Obama talking to Blacks about Black issues. That is no more racist then playing the same four Jeremiah Wright quotes over and over or questioning where Obama was born.

  29. natl_[redacted]_cmdr

    Republicans display classic projection. They whine and call Dems whiners.They lie and call Dems liars. They spend and call Dems spenders. They grow government and say Dems want Big Government.

  30. pdiddycornchips

    Conservatives never run out of reasons to blame someone else for their dickatry. It must be very comforting to have not an ounce of self reflection.

  31. zippy_w_pinhead

    There just aren't enough tissues in the entire world to attend to all these butt hurt Republicans and their epidemic of pearl clutching vapors…

  32. iburl

    "our WI poll may have made Drudge, Carlson, and Hannity feel disrespected"

    Don't cryyy out loooouuuddd! Just keep it inside!! Learn how to hideee your feelings!

  33. LibertyLover

    I'd say that no one disrespected Tucker Bowtie Carlson more than Jon Stewart. To his face even. It was sweet.

  34. owhatever

    Do you like to see pictures of naked white women? Yes.
    Do you like to see pictures of naked black women? Oh, yeah.
    Asian? Hell yes?
    Native-American? You betcha.
    Muslim? Absolutely?
    Democratic women? Any time, bro.
    Republican women? Not with a gun to my head. Unfappable.
    Thank you for your time, pervert.

  35. Francis Urquhart

    PPP has pretty hysterical tweets, like this one:

    PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls
    I just learned that when Jennifer Rubin 'interviews' you all she really does is call you up and yell at you.

    Why does Jen Rubin hate manners and professionalism?

  36. decentcitizen

    Way to project power and authority Repugs. Whine about an absolute spot-on poll question and invoke your perpetual victimhood.

  37. Negropolis

    I know it's already been said, but PPP is one of the better pollsters out there, Dem or GOP-leaning. So, it totally makes sense that the GOP would be down on them.

    BTW, this question was asked before all of the presidential and senate stuff, right? How is that really even push-polling?

  38. ttommyunger

    Again, the only Polls that interest me are the Exit Polls and why are they being actively fought against in so many states?

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