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More better ironyYOU KNOW YOU’RE IN FOR A JUICY FOLLOW-UP ARTICLE WHEN IT BEGINS: “Regular readers of are probably aware that sometimes we deploy sarcasm or irony to make points.” Oh god. [Newsweek]

  • Ruhe

    To make points with people who think they’re smart enough to appreciate irony and sarcasm? So Newsweek is published for wonketeers?

  • Lucidamente

    Wait, Newsweek has regular readers?

  • Tommmcatt

    …And you know you are in for some egregious hackery when the writer uses words like “fulminate”.

  • rocktonsammy

    That article made my headache worse.

  • FMA

    You know, when the severely humor-impaired try to employ humor to make some point or other, it’s not funny. It’s fucking hilarious.

  • JMP

    Wah wah that meanie Greenwald should’ve realized that we were only kidding, even though there was no indication that that was the case. Besides, it should have been obvious that Newsweek was using “we” to talk about other people; why would he assume Newsweek staffers used “we” to refer to themselves?

  • queeraselvis v 2.0

    Well, “We” think that Newsweek hasn’t had any credibility since, oh, ever.

  • SayItWithWookies

    But given that Stone’s comment would, if taken literally, trigger outrage across the Internet, and did not, I think it’s safe to assume that Greenwald’s confusion is his fault, not ours.

    It might also be safe to assume that nobody reads Newsweek. But on the irony point — beneath that explanatory article is a teaser for a piece called “The Quiet Dignity of Rielle Hunter,” so really it’s hardly surprising that Greenwald doesn’t give Newsweek editors credit for understanding irony.

  • JMP

    [re=520661]FMA[/re]: The Newsweek staff all have great senses of humor, just like Richard Cohen.

  • Jim Newell

    [re=520664]SayItWithWookies[/re]: They each had points. Greenwald had one of his insane self-righteous over-freakouts, sure. He does these things. But it’s pretty terrifying that no one from Newsweek was able to realize that in their weird, “ironic” back and forth, they were just making dumb half-jokes about the very terrible and evil news practices that they’re famous for, and probably won’t change any time soon.

  • S.Luggo

    I love the smell of internecine monkey-poop flung in the morning.

  • Lucidamente

    [re=520662]JMP[/re]: An understandable slip-up: everybody there refers to Jon Meacham as “wee.”

  • Cape Clod

    [re=520661]FMA[/re]: Tell that to Dana Millbank.

  • Jumping Jim

    So if I say “Bloggers work in their pj’s and live in their parents’ basement” am I making an ironic comment or sarcastic or what?

    And I’m sure that when Rielle Hunter was making the beast with two backs with John Edwards she was not exhibiting quiet dignity.

    Well maybe Alanis Morrisette would say it was ironic but few others would.

  • freakishlystrong

    Yeah, I always think of Newsweek when I want a little irony or sarcasm.

  • proudgrampa


  • JMP

    [re=520672]Jumping Jim[/re]: Well, we think that Rielle has shown a lot of dignity. And by “we”, I mean “Newsweek’s editors”, not any group that includes myself.

  • McDuff

    [re=520667]S.Luggo[/re]: “internecine monkey-poop”

    I was thinking this is more along the lines of that “inside baseball” stuff that no normal person cares about — like the fact that Gonzales has a hanging curve ball that left-handed batters over 6’2″ can hit for extra bases 34.56% of the time on Sunday afternoons if the sun is shining the wind is belowing in from right field at less than 12 mph — but you win with brevity and a better visual metaphor.

  • artpepper

    The very idea that Newsweek Magazine for Dentistry Patients deploys “irony” is the gravest Beckettsian form of irony I can imagine.

  • artpepper

    Also, don’t they know this will just provoke another 3000-word screed on the subject from Greenwald?

  • F*T*S*

    Poor Newsweek. It’s like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife.

  • SayItWithWookies

    [re=520666]Jim Newell[/re]: The best thing about Greenwald’s rants is that they’re usually so long and detailed, that if his subject for the day is pretty banal I usually stop caring about two paragraphs into it. That said, even his (infrequently) misplaced outrage is head and shoulders above the usual swill that Newsweek publishes.

  • Buzz Feedback

    Britney gots a big forehead. Does all that Jack in the Box do that to you?

  • slithytoves

    Maybe it’s a Friday thing, but I had real trouble reading that article, not to mention understanding it.


    Well, if you have to explain the joke, then….

  • weejee

    [re=520679]McDuff[/re]: Is that a way of sayin’ to Braves opponents “Charlie, here comes the deuce”?

  • Sparky McGruff

    [re=520672]Jumping Jim[/re]: It’s just like ten thousand spoons, when all you need is a knife, and your dad was a mill worker.

  • Terry

    [re=520666]Jim Newell[/re]:
    “Greenwald had one of his insane self-righteous over-freakouts, sure.”

    One in particular comes to mind. The Fort Detrick anthrax expert who is thought to have been the one sending those envelopes, trying to kill people. Greenwald was saying that the Ft Detrick guy couldn’t be the one. He was scandalized that a counselor running a support group in which the Ft Detrick guy was in had had her own personal problems in the past. Imagine that. Someone who overcomes issues and becomes a counselor. Certainly that’s proof that the FBI case is flawed and the Ft Detrick guy was innocent.

  • snideinplainsight

    It does in fact come out once a week, so it’s probably just the “News” part that’s meant ironically.

  • snideinplainsight

    And while there’s lots to make fun of in Greenwald’s columns, I have to say that he really is The Hammer Of Witches when it comes to topics like sanctioned torture, habeus corpus, privacy, all that stuff.

  • FMA

    I see what the confusion is all about now. They forgot to put quotes around “sarcasm” and “irony.”

  • Snarkalicious

    [re=520683]artpepper[/re]: Too bad we can’t count on them to be clever enough to play that as an angle.

  • FlownOver

    Was this a suicide note from Newsweek? It’s having “server problems” now.

  • Snarkalicious

    [re=520686]F*T*S*[/re]: Alanis has never been to prison, obvs.

  • eclecticbrotha

    So you would think that a well-read blogger with a law degree at a prestigious publication would not fulminate about statements belonging to either of those categories as “stunningly revealing” and “propagandistic.” But, if the blogger in question is Salon’s Glenn Greenwald, you would be wrong. Greenwald obtusely misreads our roundtable discussion on why the media was covering Joseph Stack’s suicide plane mission in Austin, Texas, less than the attempted Christmas Day airplane bombing, and why the media was more reluctant to label Stack a terrorist.

    Who says Newsweek can’t do humor?

  • slavojzizek

    “Regular readers of are probably aware that sometimes we deploy sarcasm or irony to make points.”

    Oh sure. is right up there on everyone’s list of favorite political humor sites, along with the Onion and Wonkette.

  • TGY

    This is all a non-issue of spectacular unimportance.

  • norbizness

    Although Newsweek is about as funny as a puppy dissection, Greenwald does have a tendency to surround a pithy observation or out-of-context quote with about 2500 words worth of redundant, humorless boilerplate.

  • donner_froh

    “blogger with a law degree at a prestigious publication”

    What prestigious publication gives law degrees?

  • Extemporanus

    [re=520750]slavojzizek[/re]: Ironically, if they should change their name to the satirical Onionewsetteweek.

  • Min

    They still publish Newsweek?!?

  • Magnus Maximus

    Regular readers of are probably aware that we sometimes deploy sarcasm or irony to make points. We like to make jokes, that are funny. For example, Glen Greenwald, his pants are full of poop. Just kidding, that’s irony.

  • liquiddaddy

    Their cartoons are sometimes amusing. Other then that, I think they should just stop using irony and sarcasm and just go with the basics, like whoopie cushions, and flaming bags of dog poop.

  • GOPCrusher

    I only read it for the centerfold.

  • DP

    Can’t understand why more of the readers don’t enjoy some good sarcasm or irony when it’s deployed right there in front of them….

  • Beanball

    Is it irony when you use the word “prestigious” in conjunction with ‘’ (the “publication” in question)?

    (Hope I got the quote thingies right. Is there a punctuation referee in the house?)

  • Beanball

    Oh shit. Wrong “prestigious publication.”



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