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More better ironyYOU KNOW YOU’RE IN FOR A JUICY FOLLOW-UP ARTICLE WHEN IT BEGINS: “Regular readers of Newsweek.com are probably aware that sometimes we deploy sarcasm or irony to make points.” Oh god. [Newsweek]

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  1. Wah wah that meanie Greenwald should’ve realized that we were only kidding, even though there was no indication that that was the case. Besides, it should have been obvious that Newsweek was using “we” to talk about other people; why would he assume Newsweek staffers used “we” to refer to themselves?

  2. But given that Stone’s comment would, if taken literally, trigger outrage across the Internet, and did not, I think it’s safe to assume that Greenwald’s confusion is his fault, not ours.

    It might also be safe to assume that nobody reads Newsweek. But on the irony point — beneath that explanatory article is a teaser for a piece called “The Quiet Dignity of Rielle Hunter,” so really it’s hardly surprising that Greenwald doesn’t give Newsweek editors credit for understanding irony.

  3. [re=520664]SayItWithWookies[/re]: They each had points. Greenwald had one of his insane self-righteous over-freakouts, sure. He does these things. But it’s pretty terrifying that no one from Newsweek was able to realize that in their weird, “ironic” back and forth, they were just making dumb half-jokes about the very terrible and evil news practices that they’re famous for, and probably won’t change any time soon.

  4. So if I say “Bloggers work in their pj’s and live in their parents’ basement” am I making an ironic comment or sarcastic or what?

    And I’m sure that when Rielle Hunter was making the beast with two backs with John Edwards she was not exhibiting quiet dignity.

    Well maybe Alanis Morrisette would say it was ironic but few others would.

  5. [re=520672]Jumping Jim[/re]: Well, we think that Rielle has shown a lot of dignity. And by “we”, I mean “Newsweek’s editors”, not any group that includes myself.

  6. [re=520667]S.Luggo[/re]: “internecine monkey-poop”

    I was thinking this is more along the lines of that “inside baseball” stuff that no normal person cares about — like the fact that Gonzales has a hanging curve ball that left-handed batters over 6’2″ can hit for extra bases 34.56% of the time on Sunday afternoons if the sun is shining the wind is belowing in from right field at less than 12 mph — but you win with brevity and a better visual metaphor.

  7. [re=520666]Jim Newell[/re]: The best thing about Greenwald’s rants is that they’re usually so long and detailed, that if his subject for the day is pretty banal I usually stop caring about two paragraphs into it. That said, even his (infrequently) misplaced outrage is head and shoulders above the usual swill that Newsweek publishes.

  8. [re=520666]Jim Newell[/re]:
    “Greenwald had one of his insane self-righteous over-freakouts, sure.”

    One in particular comes to mind. The Fort Detrick anthrax expert who is thought to have been the one sending those envelopes, trying to kill people. Greenwald was saying that the Ft Detrick guy couldn’t be the one. He was scandalized that a counselor running a support group in which the Ft Detrick guy was in had had her own personal problems in the past. Imagine that. Someone who overcomes issues and becomes a counselor. Certainly that’s proof that the FBI case is flawed and the Ft Detrick guy was innocent.

  9. And while there’s lots to make fun of in Greenwald’s columns, I have to say that he really is The Hammer Of Witches when it comes to topics like sanctioned torture, habeus corpus, privacy, all that stuff.

  10. So you would think that a well-read blogger with a law degree at a prestigious publication would not fulminate about statements belonging to either of those categories as “stunningly revealing” and “propagandistic.” But, if the blogger in question is Salon’s Glenn Greenwald, you would be wrong. Greenwald obtusely misreads our roundtable discussion on why the media was covering Joseph Stack’s suicide plane mission in Austin, Texas, less than the attempted Christmas Day airplane bombing, and why the media was more reluctant to label Stack a terrorist.

    Who says Newsweek can’t do humor?

  11. “Regular readers of Newsweek.com are probably aware that sometimes we deploy sarcasm or irony to make points.”

    Oh sure. Newsweek.com is right up there on everyone’s list of favorite political humor sites, along with the Onion and Wonkette.

  12. Although Newsweek is about as funny as a puppy dissection, Greenwald does have a tendency to surround a pithy observation or out-of-context quote with about 2500 words worth of redundant, humorless boilerplate.

  13. Regular readers of Newsweek.com are probably aware that we sometimes deploy sarcasm or irony to make points. We like to make jokes, that are funny. For example, Glen Greenwald, his pants are full of poop. Just kidding, that’s irony.

  14. Their cartoons are sometimes amusing. Other then that, I think they should just stop using irony and sarcasm and just go with the basics, like whoopie cushions, and flaming bags of dog poop.

  15. Is it irony when you use the word “prestigious” in conjunction with ‘Slate.com’ (the “publication” in question)?

    (Hope I got the quote thingies right. Is there a punctuation referee in the house?)

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