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PLATONIC DIALOGUES

FUN NEW YORK MAGAZINE THING, WITH YOUR EDITOR! Here’s tonight’s “Instant Politics” back & forth with your editor and Clinton/Gore/West Wing writer Eli Attie. Sample: “It’s like a Philip K. Dick version of an election. It’s all about shooting moose and getting tortured 40 years ago and respecting women and elitist blacks. It’s insane.” [New York Magazine]


10:06 PM on Mon September 22 2008
By Ken Layne
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  1. those undecideds, that weird 10 percent of registered voters who somehow register to vote without paying any attention to politics

    Seriously, how do you not have any opinion, at this point. Do you live in a cave? Do you not have access to television? Because we’ve been campaigning for like 5 and a half years, and I feel like it’s been shoved down my ears and eyes and throat and every other orifice.

  2. user-of-owls says at 10:31 pm, September 22nd, 2008

    Why do I feel like Gene Hackman in ‘The Conversation’?

  3. obfuscator says at 10:31 pm, September 22nd, 2008

    tunamelt: It’s soooooo fucking great that national elections are usually decided by a bunch of people who seem to make a concerted effort to remain unengaged and uninformed for as long as possible before finally making their decision based on their feelings about moose-shooting or arugula eating or flag pins or how many homes some ancient war-gimp’s sugar momma owns. U-S-A! U-S-A!

  4. SayItWithWookies says at 10:32 pm, September 22nd, 2008

    EA… Bush could never have been elected in a year like this one, when people knew there were stakes.

    Oh, right. And how’s President Kerry doing, by the way?

  5. obfuscator says at 10:34 pm, September 22nd, 2008

    Alt-Text should be something in Latin.

  6. obfuscator: I don’t watch The Hills but I’m fucking aware of who Spencer Pratt, Heidi Montag and Lauren Conrad are, just by virtue of having stood in line in the goddamn grocery store and having read a headline or two.

    Why can’t the ‘tards who apparently make up a good portion of the country do the same thing, only with actual, smart people elitist subjects?

  7. obfuscator says at 10:42 pm, September 22nd, 2008

    tunamelt:

    I can’t come up with an answer that doesn’t involve calling the American people a bunch of willfully ignorant self-absorbed shitheads, so I will decline to respond.

  8. dolphinmelt: No clue. I’d feel so much better about everything in the fucking world if Barry was in a clear lead. Jesus could come down, perform a few miracles wearing a “Vote For Obama” headband and people would still be wondering what to do.

  9. Ken, did you just call Sarah Palin a muppet? Sexist! Seriously though, which one? I’m thinking Beaker…

  10. obfuscator says at 10:52 pm, September 22nd, 2008

    tunamelt:

    I found it!! This is a game changer that will swing all but the most cold-hearted Palin votes to Barry.

    http://gawker.com/5052276/

  11. grevillea:
    Miss Piggy, duh.

  12. obfuscator: That baby looks SO HAPPY.

  13. obfuscator says at 11:04 pm, September 22nd, 2008

    tunamelt: Seriously! Run that photo on the cover of Us Weekly and People every week from now thru Nov. 4th.

  14. WhatTheHeck says at 11:10 pm, September 22nd, 2008

    No Ken, its not hard to figure out the ‘undecideds.’
    They are simply racist buffoons who are not honest enough to say so…
    Especially when we have such an intelligent pres. hopeful as Obama.

  15. CivicHoliday says at 11:15 pm, September 22nd, 2008

    aaaawwww, Kenny you celebrity you, you got to chat with Eli!

  16. Great dialogue between you and your homosexual lover. At what point did you kiss?

    “I’ll just say that it’s not easy to write a humorous column about politics week after week.” Yeah, right. Just ask Mister Billy Kristol. Writing same is so, so very difficult.

  17. obfuscator says at 11:21 pm, September 22nd, 2008

    Ken, please please please give us what we yearn for. We need you to sit down and chat with Peggy Noonan. AMERICA needs it.

  18. the doctor says at 11:31 pm, September 22nd, 2008

    tunamelt: Like all good decisions, voting takes time. If you vote before allowing your opinion to gestate over the course of 800 years, you might end up voting for Nader or something.

    Unfortunately, McCain was just starting his political career 800 years ago. This will surely skew the demographic.

  19. Smoke Filled Roommate says at 11:33 pm, September 22nd, 2008

    KL: EA: KL:EA: KLEA = Caol Ila. I want some now.

  20. Nice discussion. It’s a bit too short, though - NYM needs to give you guys (and the other discussants) all the room you want to ramble through as you please. It’s not like space is a precious commodity out there on the intertubes.

    Also, WTF is up with the commenters? The first one is sorta moderate and semi-reasonable, and then the second one just rips into the guy. Calm down, dipsticks, or this’ll get really ugly by tomorrow.

  21. Smoke Filled Roommate says at 12:33 am, September 23rd, 2008

    Joey Ratz: I guess all commenters gotta think da same thing, Joey? What are you fucking Catholic or somethin’? Screw you and your Mets. Phils gotcha by the balls! …Now we’re same thinkin!

  22. HuskyMescan says at 12:36 am, September 23rd, 2008

    Dogz n bitches love Barry:

    https://community.hsus.org/humane/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=27497157

    Humane Society endorses Obama.

  23. shortsshortsshorts says at 12:38 am, September 23rd, 2008

    I remember when in 2003, Kery comes on, Foxy news is at at the helm, and they’re saying things like “is Bush a Gawd, or a king?” Followed by pundit forgiveness and agreement. To fuck it up even more:

    “Dat wuz like a commi speekeeng to a commee. Wid ribuns and bouws an sheet.”

  24. I’m drinking and watching the Heroes premiere. Two things have happened that convince me that the world is indeed ending: a new Knight Rider and a commercial for Sizzler claiming to be the “economic shelter” for Americans.

  25. shortsshortsshorts says at 12:50 am, September 23rd, 2008

    shortsshortsshorts: You drunken bastard. His name is John Claw Munster Kerry, and he is almost as useless as the pundits were, but he is still lurch.

    - Love
    Female counterpart

  26. Smoke Filled Roommate says at 1:08 am, September 23rd, 2008

    shortsshortsshorts: Wow, you must really be drunk because none of your shit made sense.

    Love,
    Smokey (poof poof)*

    *all in good fun

  27. BARTLET
    [approaches to sit across from him] What’s your point?

    TOBY
    You’re a good father, you don’t have to act like it. You’re the President, you don’t have to act like it. You’re a good man, you don’t have to act like it. You’re not just folks, you’re not plain-spoken… Do not – do not – do not act like it!

    BARTLET
    I don’t want to be killed.

    TOBY
    Then make this election about smart. And not. Make it about engaged. And not. Qualified and not. Make it about heavyweight. You’re a heavyweight.

    Moderator: Governor Ritchie, many economists have stated that the tax cut, which is the centrepiece of your economic agenda, could actually harm the economy. Is now really the time to cut taxes?

    Ritchie: You bet it is. We need to cut taxes for one reason - the American people know how to spend their money better than the federal government does.

    Moderator: Mr. President, your rebuttal.

    Bartlet: There it is. That’s the ten word answer my staff’s been looking for for two weeks. There it is. Ten-word answers can kill you in political campaigns. They’re the tip of the sword. Here’s my question: What are the next ten words of your answer? Your taxes are too high? So are mine. Give me the next ten words. How are we going to do it? Give me ten after that, I’ll drop out of the race right now. Every once in a while… every once in a while, there’s a day with an absolute right and an absolute wrong, but those days almost always include body counts. Other than that, there aren’t very many unnuanced moments in leading a country that’s way too big for ten words. I’m the President of the United States, not the President of the people who agree with me. And by the way, if the left has a problem with that, they should vote for somebody else.

  28. shortsshortsshorts: Please sign up as a commenter with the name: skirtsskirtsskirts.

  29. Smoke Filled Roommate says at 1:25 am, September 23rd, 2008

    grendel: Governor Ritchie, many economists have stated that the tax cut, which is the centerpiece of your economic agenda, could actually harm the economy. Is now really the time to cut taxes?

    Gov. Ritchie commented from his brick house:

    Tell me it’s true
    I can’t believe you do what you do
    I’ve got so much love
    And my love you’ll see
    We’ll stay together, just you and me
    I’ve got so much love

    You are the sun
    You are the rain
    That makes my life this foolish game
    You need to know
    I love you so
    And I’d do it all again and again

    And then his daughter became friends with Paris Hilton.
    The End.

  30. Joey Ratz: I know, the first two comments are hilarious! (And except for the muppet comment, much more amusing than the actual dialogue. Sorry Ken).

  31. grendel: What, if anything, does it say about me that my immediate response to Barlet would have been, “That wasn’t 10 words, you smug liberal git. Can’t you count?”

  32. PoliTacky says at 3:26 am, September 23rd, 2008

    obfuscator: That photo is adorable, I just hope it doesn’t end up in another strange McCain pedophilia ad! “Barack Obama wants to hug sex education into your childrens!”

  33. Migstradamus says at 6:34 am, September 23rd, 2008

    They spend a lot of time at the start wondering why 1992 was so much more about economic specifics. Then one mentions Ross Perot in a different context. Hello? He was all over the place with charts and deficit lectures. He singlehandedly put the economy front and center. Clinton just ran with it and made it more populist and in touch. And Perot was insane, which didn’t help. But he’s the reason the discussion got beyond the platitudes and hand-waving that we’re seeing this year, and just about every other year.

  34. Delicious says at 7:17 am, September 23rd, 2008

    “Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high. It is not Barack Obama.”

    -George Will, WaPo column today

  35. lilblackcorvette says at 7:37 am, September 23rd, 2008

    http://www.doonesbury.com - 601k - Cached

  36. lilblackcorvette says at 7:43 am, September 23rd, 2008

    lilblackcorvette: i think you have to click on todays strip.

  37. obfuscator: Sent it to my wife. Got the expected response “Awwwwww… look at that face!”

    lilblackcorvette: Love it! http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2008/db080923.gif

  38. fishcanoeski says at 7:57 am, September 23rd, 2008

    Delicious: Good lord, I agree with George Will. McCain’s flounderings of last week have absolutely terrified me. If anyone had any doubts that McCain’s intellect takes a back seat to his emotions those doubts should be put to rest now.

  39. lilblackcorvette says at 8:03 am, September 23rd, 2008

    grendel: thank you. GEEK!

  40. lilblackcorvette says at 8:09 am, September 23rd, 2008

    anybody watching Morning Joke? Last week that dick was saying how no one is thinking about Iraq anymore. As a vet and a human, I am appalled. how can pundits be allowed to say this crap. Tucker” dicklicker” Carlson said that same crap. How can people not think about their sons and daughters in the line of fire? What do they think that does to the troops morale? Assholes.

  41. Hunter Gathers says at 8:09 am, September 23rd, 2008

    fishcanoeski: You assume that Walnuts HAS any intellect. He operates from the gut. Always has, always will. After 8 years of ‘truthiness’, the prospect of a McCain presidency should scare the crap out anyone with half a brain.

  42. Hunter Gathers says at 8:11 am, September 23rd, 2008

    lilblackcorvette: I operate under the assumption that anyone named Tucker is a tool. Carlin said it best : ‘Fuck Tucker. Tucker sucks.’

  43. tried and true tactics are best: politicians should keep talking ’til wall street or welfare moms realize they’ll die unless they do something.

  44. lilblackcorvette says at 8:35 am, September 23rd, 2008

    somebody explain to me how Palin can meet with these heads of state? I thought you had to be at least a senator to represent the US, not just running for office.

  45. Cape Clod says at 8:56 am, September 23rd, 2008

    ‘those undecideds, that weird 10 percent of registered voters who somehow register to vote without paying any attention to politics’

    These voters are the douche bags of the electoral system. They are not engaged in anyway to what is going on in the campaigns. They are simply trying to figure out who is going to win so they can cast their vote for the eventual winner and then pat themselves on the back for being so clever. They can suck my truck nutz.

  46. This is grass roots. It’s up to every one of us to disabuse our mildly McCainish friends of the notion that McCain is anything but a sadistic, ignorant, foundationless, doddering old fool. It don’t take much. Do it!

  47. Wagamuffin says at 3:47 pm, September 23rd, 2008

    Canadian Corner update time, kids!

    This just in…for those who followed and referenced, and couldn’t believe my post from yesterday. Yes, it has come to this:

    3rd NDP Candidate Drops out of Canadian Federal Election Race
    The Tyee, September 23, 2008

    The NDP candidate in Saanich-Gulf Islands has dropped out after a 12-year-old story resurfaced over the weekend.

    Over the weekend Julian West released a statement apologizing for skinny dipping in front of minors at an environmental conference in 1996 when he was a provincial Green Party candidate.

    Details have since emerged suggesting his questionable behaviour went well beyond that, with him inviting young people to paint his naked body.

    Today West released a second statement. “This morning I resigned as the NDP candidate in the riding of Saanich-Gulf Islands,” he said. “After thinking about it, I have determined that I do not want to continue as a candidate and I have informed the party of that decision. I do not want my candidacy to detract from the campaign or from the issues that should be front and centre in this campaign.

    “I’m going to return to my private life now, and I sincerely hope the campaign will be focussed on the issues.”

    West was one of three green candidates challenging Conservative natural resources minister Gary Lunn in the riding.

    I don’t know, I may have to check with the Guiness World Record people, but three candidates from one national party dropping out of a race in the space of two weeks might just be a World Record!

    Go, Canada, GO!

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